 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump! With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode, are you ready? Of Mind Pump! We went off on some awesome topics in this episode. We started out, we had a little fun, we talked about fashion faux pas. You'll never believe who had a fashion faux pas in the studio today. The self-proclaimed wizard of fashion. That's right. We talked about the evolution of film, music, YouTube, and the future for creators. We talked about the importance of having a purpose in business and in fitness and health, and in life. You have to have a purpose that drives you, otherwise you have no direction. Get that meaning! We also talked about starting from where you are at. Now we talked to personal trainers and clients in that part of this episode. In other words, where you're at, you've got to start right there in order to move forward. You can't think 15 steps ahead. We talked about the value of tracking and becoming aware of the signs your body is giving you. We gave some six week contest updates. Find out who's in the lead for the fittest body at Mind Pump, or the biggest change at Mind Pump, which will be ending in about five weeks. Adam and Justin are fighting furiously for second place. It's going to be a really good contest. Then we talked about my workout experiment. This is something I've been talking about or thinking about for a long time. It all goes back to the lab. Self-experimentation that I'll be doing. I'm excited for this. Saturday. It's going to be kind of cool. Also, I do want to mention, maps performance is half off. It's 50% off. Finally, people! You know, it's crazy. I would say that this program is the program that is probably the most underrated that we have because it's the one that most people need and probably wouldn't do on their own. Even myself, if I look at all the programs that we've written, which ones do I like to train to? Which ones do I normally go to and which ones should I be doing more of? 100% map screen is that program because of the movements that are in there. It's a lot of unconventional type of training that most of us just don't do on a regular basis. It's going to benefit the quality of your life. In this program, you have the most amount of exercises and videos out of all the programs. This is teaching you a whole new skill set that a lot of people tend to neglect. They tend to move their body just in the sagittal plane, like forwards and back. This is going to challenge a lot of people that are in their comfort zone. It's something that we've always recommended and tried to get people to really go through it, like challenge your body in a new way. It is definitely one of the most comprehensive. It's why it's also one of the most expensive programs we have. But we've cut the price in half. It's like 70 bucks or something like that, $77. It's full access to maps performance to train your body for full spectrum athletic performance. But you have to use the following code to get the 50% off. Green 50. That's the word green and the number 50. All one word at checkout. Do this at mindpumpmedia.com. You can also find our bundles there. This is where we take multiple maps programs and put them together for specific goals. Like our Super Bundle, which is designed for somebody who wants the next year of fitness planned out for them. You find all of those, including the 50% off maps performance. Remember to use the code green 50. That's the word green and the number 50 at mindpumpmedia.com. What's up with your socks? Those are great. They are. I'm not really coordinated. It looks like you finished. I'm not coordinated. They look like finished lines. You ran and then you finished. And then your feet did. You should know Justin what those are from. Vans. This is inappropriate right now. So this is not fair to judge me because I'm packing. Everybody gets a one week pass when you're moving. For their clothes? Yes. One week pass when you're moving. That's it. That's all I asked for. Really? Because you can't wear Vans socks with Adidas shoes. Oh yeah. The only reason why Sal knows that because I'm sitting with my legs crossed and my panties. Your pants are just riding up. Yeah, they hiked up. I mean, here's the deal. You can, but if you're the kind of person that cares about silly things, then you don't. Silly. You want them to match. You want the same brand. Yeah. Rules that we make for ourselves. That is interesting though. You see some people with like gym gear and then they'll have Nike with Reebok shorts and it's like ooh. I don't know. There's something about it. It just doesn't work. Well, certain brands you can cross. When it's a direct, it'd be like somebody wearing a mind pump hat with a barbell shrug t-shirt. It just doesn't make sense. You know what I'm saying? What's wrong with you? Make up your mind. That's conflicted. No. You can't. All right. Nike and Reebok. They're too similar to do that. You know what I'm saying? They have to be. You could do like, you could wear like a brand like, let's say like a van. Well, so here's the thing. If they have competing ideologies, then that makes sense. Right. But if they're just two brands of fashion, unless one represents like one is like an extreme, let's say one is like a left ideology and one is a right wing ideology, then yeah, that wouldn't make any sense. It kind of is like that. So Vans is a skate and surf brand. Sure. And Adidas is like a sport, athletic, soccer, basketball. So how are those conflicting ideologies? Break it down for me. Because if you're a soccer, basketball player, you're typically not a skater, surf and skate guy. Justin, did you ever skateboard? Yeah, I did. Did you play basketball and soccer? Yeah, but like, I wouldn't consider myself a skateboarder. Right. So I was always conflicted with like buying too much stuff that like represented skate surf. That's what I mean. So my Vans, when I wear my Vans, it goes with like my Dickies types of shorts when I wear those, or my shorts that are styled like a Dickies. Like so, when did Dickies become skater by the way? It's been like that for a while, but before that wasn't Dickies. It was like work clothes. It was either you were either a construction worker or you were a cholo. Well, my theory, those are the two. My theory on that is the skateboarders is because Dickies, the material is so hardy, you could crash on asphalt and it's not getting tore up. Oh yeah, because jeans and all. We'd shred through jeans. Yeah. No, that material is like, it's like. So I have a different theory because when I was in high school, skating and the style really got really popular and my good friend became a skater. And I noticed this crossover style between like the cholo style and skateboarder. Skater style. It was very similar. It was similar, but it was also kind of this crossover. And then what's his name? Jesse James. Remember the dude that was on, what was that show called? Monster Garage. Yeah. He kind of dressed that way. Yeah. I wanted to realize that, you know, the skater style is from California. It's from Southern California. It's like Long Beach. Yeah. And it's also from Santa Cruz. And I think the skater culture just was intertwined with the kind of cholo culture. You know what I mean? And that's why I think you got the crossover because the styles were very similar. Like Jesse James with the Dickies and the Cortez shoes and the, you know what I mean? The button-up flannel. All the way up to the top. He actually would just do it all the way up. All the way up. Like the top one. The only difference is they wouldn't, they wouldn't open the bottom. Right? Yeah. That was the difference. I had to make sure I always had the top one open. Yeah. And I always felt like in high school, there was this alliance because that one, the school, high school I went to, we definitely had clicks. Now I'm told there are not that many clicks today. I don't know. That's what Enzo was saying. Yeah. But I'll, I'll wear all of it, right? So I'll rock it. That's, that's the one, I love going in and out of everything. You can't, just like we talked about in fitness. Like I've been this way since I was a kid, like you can't put me in a box. Like you're not going to categorize me as a skater, as just an athlete, as whatever. Like all wear- You go from box to box. Yeah. Well, all, all wear all, all the- I'm inside all boxes. All wear all the different styles, but you don't mix the styles. Like what I'm doing right now is completely a, a, what do they call a fashion faux paw? Yeah. Like this is a fashion faux paw. You just don't wear Adidas socks with a pair of- See, or somebody like creates the look, right? And then that's like everybody's like, okay, we're all going to do like a variant of this kind of look. See, my approach is more like, you remember the Matrix when Neo was like in that place and they were looking at like, the, the, the Oracle was looking at all these gifted people. Yeah. And there was that kid, the bald kid that was like bending the spoon with his mind. Yeah. And he's like, the key to bending the spoon is to realize there is no spoon. There is no spoon. I've realized there's no box. I don't even jump, there's no box for me. I don't even jump anywhere because there is no box. I just wear the- You just put it on. What's in front of you? You guys literally have no idea. I am- We've been feeling so- Oh, it's close. I'm this close. All we need, mind pump just needs a little bit more success. I'm this close to literally wearing the same thing every day. You're going to go full speed. The same thing- I think it's a good idea. Every day. Because I think you're fashionably retarded. I think it's a good idea for one thing. I'm fashionably retarded. That's not how you use it. That doesn't make any sense. I don't know. You are. I actually think it would be a good idea to do the just uniform black- No, my fashion- You look good right now? You look great right now. Yeah, well, I just look good. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't really matter. Just kidding. But I think- I care enough to- I don't want to present myself to people so that they judge me right away. I'm never going to be at the point where I don't care so much that I'm just literally thinking to myself, it's hot outside, I'll just be naked. I'm not going to do that. Yeah. But, you know, I'm so close to the point where my closet is going to be filled with two outfits. The one I wear every day and the one I wear when I need to look a particular way. Listen, the way you close yourself is just another way to express yourself. So it's an expression of yourself. And you're expressing, you don't give a fuck. There's nothing wrong with that. That's- And that you'll wear the same- I went through a phase where I wore blue jeans and a white fucking V-neck t-shirt for every day of the- For a year, bro. Did you really? Yeah. I did that set for- It was crew neck. Yeah. I did the same- What's the crew neck versus a V-neck? Just think about it. Just think about it. I was going to say, just think about it. I don't know what a crew neck is. You're wearing a crew neck. You're wearing a crew neck. Oh, a normal collar. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. So that's- You know, so you can- Did you think you were from the 50s? Yeah. I knew it. I have like two looks, dude. It's like 50s driven, kind of rockabilly style. And then it's like your Jesse James kind of, you know, flannel and mountain cholo, I guess is what you're coined. I am kind of a mountain cholo. Cholo looks tough, though. It is what it is. I just liked it. And I was like, okay, I'm just going to go with this. Is that a thing from where you grew up? A little bit. A little bit. Yeah. I kind of- I was influenced a lot by grunge and going to all these concerts and stuff. And I just kind of had always liked that culture. So that's just- I always just like to keep that. Yeah. Dude, speaking of grunge, because we were listening to just so much of that music on the way up when we were driving the other day, I've been putting on Stone Temple Pilots and just loving it, man. I forgot all about that music. Literally my favorite era of music. And it's, you know, everybody has that, I think. Really? That's your favorite era? Yeah, dude. I'm adjusting on that, too. Yeah. Really? Everything, like alternative rock, 311, yeah, all the stuff in that era. Yeah. Like all the rap, everything. Wow. That's where I got stuck. So when I was, I want to say when I was 13 or 14 is when I discovered, when I really discovered classic rock and that still, I think, is my favorite era. Really. Just like that. Like 70s. 60s, 70s, you know, kind of classic rock era. You know, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin. That's the purest in you, you know what I'm saying? I can appreciate that. I mean, there's a lot of everything that we listened to now came from that. So that's, there's an argument there because nobody can talk shit about that music. But I do see- You can talk shit all day you want about the music today. It's time tested already. Exactly, it is. It's time tested. You listen to it today, much of the music, even the shitty music you hear today is, is, you know, distilled from that. You know what I'm saying? Like somebody took, was inspired by, I should say inspired, not distilled, was inspired from that, right? So you can't really talk shit about bands like that. I just, you know, there's still good music out today. It's just a little bit, takes a little more effort. I think what happens when we get to our age and what a lot of people are aged, and this isn't everybody because I have friends that are my age that are still heavily into music and stuff. It's just, it takes a large portion of your time and getting back into it like I have recently. Remember I told you when I fell off the hole with my hormones and everything and I was like all fucking depressed and just felt terrible with my workouts. I'm injured. It's like, so it forced me to gravitate to other things that provided a lot of joy and entertainment in my life. And music was one of those things. So recently and just the last like year or two I've really got back into listening. But what I realized is to keep it up, it takes work. You know, you got to be reading the latest and greatest. Well, the market is so big now. And it was big then too, but back then you listened to what was on the radio, I think. You know, it wasn't like you were, and it was hard to find all these obscure bands. It was less, the market was different. It was more difficult to enter. Whereas today, there's a lot of these artists now that people are showing me that I'm like, they're big on YouTube. You know what I mean? Like you never would hear them anywhere on the radio. Which I think that's the counter to that, right? You say that it's so much bigger. It's a lot more, but it's also easier to access a lot of artists and find your niche or whatever you like. I think you are right about the purest thing because for me a lot of the appeal of the music of the 70s is when you watch videos of these artists performing, you can tell very little effort was put into, like the music was what got them where they were. It wasn't because they were handsome or pretty or because they looked good while they were performing. Many of these people look like they lost their minds while they were performing. Or they're engineering it to get mass appeal, right? Like a formula. Like yeah, they're following this formula. They've actually figured that out like very, very specifically. They have. Yeah, you hear it in the music. And any market that becomes massive, you can always trace it to these kind of pure roots and fitness is really no different. Fitness is definitely no different. No, the book Hitmakers talks all about this. I mean, it's a great, great read along these lines because they say that there's something in us that wants that. We gravitate to things that are familiar to us. So even music that you like today will probably have hints of things that you liked when you were 20 years ago. Same thing with movies. Movies that you enjoy and stuff like that will remind you of other things. Even if it's completely different a movie, the storyline or something around it is familiar to you. Yeah, and that's the worry I have, I guess, is we're getting a little bit less innovative, I feel like in terms of like movies or music where I know that it'll probably swing back where people really want to be challenged again and see something they've never seen before. These studios, they're only going to invest in something that they've already, through all these complex algorithms, they know specifically, I'm going to make this much profit because this formula attracts this amount of crowd on Facebook. I know they're into this type of, you see this with Netflix recruiting specific actors and all this kind of stuff, it's a formula. Yeah, well give it a chance though, here's what, and hear me out. So what happened with this like entertainment is it started off where, you know, it was very innovative, very creative. It was new, people are figuring new things out. Writers were pitching ideas, studios many times would take on some of these ideas, which today, and what ended up happening has become such a big market that in order to produce a movie, it would cost you $100 million at least. And so studios are like, look, I can't bet on this idea because we have this, this guaranteed formula that we know is going to at least get us back our money and then some, whereas your idea is a huge risk. It could be huge, it could also fail. So we started losing some of that, but then the internet now has stepped in, and now you're starting to see more creativity again with smaller studios, independent creators. That's a good point, especially with Sundance Film and like things where it's, people are, there's other venues for them to present it to see if it is, you know, a hit or not. So it's like there's proving grounds on small scales. I think that like mass appeal wise, we just haven't seen some of those emerge to that yet. It's starting to happen though, because for a long time there, like let's look at our world, right? So we podcast, so we're, I guess comparison would be a radio show, talk radio show. For a while there, talk radio shows all sounded the same, different themes and stuff, but it was kind of a similar formula, similar person on the other, on the other end of the mic, and assume, you know, hey, welcome to the whatever, you know, and they're talking in a particular way, and it was very similar because it was a formula that kind of worked for general, and so there was very little experimentation. There was some, you know, people that will kind of break through, but it wasn't a lot. Now with podcasting, you have a huge variety of all kinds of different genres and conversations, and that's happening with film. So we're not going to see these mass, like these massively expensive, well produced movies, but what we are going to see are these creative, kind of independent type films or whatever. There's some creative people on YouTube right now. If you go on YouTube and watch some of stuff, it is true, yeah. You know, it's kind of cool, and then they're becoming the big studios, right? YouTube, Netflix, and- Well, you're already seeing them really start to up their production value too, which like the, a lot of the acting really isn't there yet, but once they start bringing in actors into YouTube, I think that's going to be a, definitely a definitive change, you know, going forward. Well, we already see what's the leveling up of production on YouTube. Oh, dude. Like, I mean, I'm so glad that, you know, we had the foresight and we had somebody as talented as Doug when we first started. Taylor and I met this morning and the whole conversation was around YouTube, and this is one of the, what we were talking about. He's like, you know, the standard to get in now. Like, you know, you have a lot of people that are aspiring to do something similar to what we've done as far as having a fitness business and getting on a podcast or a YouTube and monetizing it that way and getting your programs and information out there. But the problem is now, I mean, just in the short time that we've been doing it, you know, what you can get away with just three years ago versus now, like the standard has been higher. It was, you know, it's starting to look more like television. People are, because there are enough companies, enough people that are in the space that are providing now good information, you know, and it looks good. It sounds good. You know, I was just razzin' before we got on. I was razzin' our boy, Lane, you know, and I'm like, Lane has such good information. His sound sounds shitty. Like, bro, bro, I love you. Fix your fucking sound, dude. I don't think he cares. Obviously. Obviously. You know what I'm sayin'? Like, it sounds like they're in a goddamn bathroom every time he does a video, and it's like, I don't think people realize how much that hurts them. They don't. That's what I'm sayin'. You don't, like, the reason why he's so successful is because the guy puts out great content. He's also been doing it for a while. And he did it when that was the quality. When he first started doing that, that was the quality. That's what you saw. Yeah, I mean, back then, YouTube was like, who dominated fitness on YouTube? That guy, Scooby, whatever his name was. You know, six-pack abs. Mike Chen or whatever. Mike Chen. Which was literally a camera in your living room. Yeah, just talk. And there's a certain appeal to it. And I get that. That's the amateur appeal, which still exists, but there's also a quality the bar has been raised. It's continuing to raise. I'll tell you what, if you don't get in the, as an independent individual without lots of backing, if you don't get into the space now, five years from now, I don't know how you're gonna do it. I don't know how it's gonna be. You're gonna have to have a lot of money or a lot of production. You'll have to, your business plan will have to be far more creative than I'm just gonna do what the other guy is doing. Like, you know, which is again part of the recipe with Mind Pump wasn't just, oh, let's just a bunch of fitness guys put some fitness information out there is that we had a message that was different than a lot of people. And you add that in with the production value that Doug brings to the table. And it's a recipe for success. And it's the reason why we've been on this climb since we've started and we'll continue to is because that's what really separated us. Now, if you come in now or in three years from now, you'll not only have to be on par with the content that you're providing. You'll not only have to have great editing and video, but then you'll also have to be unique and different and creative with a different message because if you're giving the same messages, it's just like what we found out in the app world, right? So there's a standard that's already been established and then this has accelerated substantially to where people are like, like, if you literally have to click something, you know, too many times, they're done with it. I'm done. I have abandoned this app. It's not for me. So it's like the consumer has all these expectations going into these things. And if you don't meet those expectations, you're going to get lost in the debris. Well, like the app analogy is such a great analogy, Justin, because in the app world, if you come out and let's say, you know, you create a bad, you have a badass idea. You're so smart. You're so smart. You have a great app. You have a great idea. And it's awesome. And you start getting traction. And it's got 5,000, 10,000 downloads. 100,000 people have now downloaded your app. You've made $300,000. You're loving life and things are going great. And now you're on the radar. And now a big fucking company like Activision or some huge company sees that. Reverse engineers, everything he did. Reverse engineers, it throws fucking a quarter million a month in advertising and just smashes you, rapes you. Just done. Your business is done. The same thing will happen in this space. What makes you think you're going to come in and do the same thing as the other guy is doing and not do it better and not do it with a different message and think you're going to survive. You're going to do it. And even if you do get traction, you get enough traction to where they notice you. Because at first, they'll let you fly on the radar. They don't know who you are. You're not on the radar. Well, they're letting you test ideas to see if they're working what they're doing. Yeah, right. And then you see it and you go like, oh, wow. That works. That's working. We have the money. We have the resources. We have the manpower. Boom. So then the question becomes do you think you can go in and maintain success? You have to define your why better. It's such a great read, too, for that exact reason. I don't know how many people have talked to that want to build a business like this. What's his name? Simon. Yeah, Simon Sennig. Simon Sennig. Yeah, start with why. I want to read his latest one, Leaders Eat Last. I hear it's really good. But start with why is an excellent read. Have your purpose. Yeah. And your purpose needs to be unique, man. If you're going to build a business, you know. Well, here's the thing. If your purpose, if it's something that you truly feel within you that's really driving you, that gives you purpose, it's not just the purpose. Like, oh, my purpose is to create, you know, a better product for nutrition. Okay. Well, that's a purpose, but is that your purpose? Do you feel like that's your purpose? Right. Is it have meaning for you? If it doesn't, it's going to be difficult to weather the storms. It's going to be difficult to pivot when you need to. And I don't even like saying just purpose like that because, you know, some trainer would respond to you and be like, oh, I was born to help people and change lives. Like maybe, bro, but maybe you weren't born to run a million-dollar business. Maybe you were born to work for a million-dollar business. Sure. Because there's more to just having a purpose and then having a purpose. No, it's one, but it's an important factor. Oh, Hunter, you're right. No, no, no. I'm not disagreeing, but I'm saying like you say something like that and I hear this a lot from people that feel so confident that they've been led to, or their mission is to help and train people. And therefore, they're going to do, they're going to get into this space. Well, getting into this space requires more than you just having a purpose to work within that space. Sure. But I also think that it needs to be defined a little bit better. That's kind of general. Like I just want to help people. Okay, well, how? Yeah. What do you mean help people? How are you specifically going to help people? And how... Different than everybody else. That's right. What are you going to do different than everybody else that's already doing that in that space? Yes. And that's a basic market, you know, economics lesson. Like look at the market. Is there a need? Does that... Can you feel that need? And then is that something that you feel a strong purpose behind? You know, when we started this, our purpose from day one was to change the tide, to change the direction of the massive ship that is the fitness, health, and wellness industry. And there were specific things that we saw within it that we wanted to tackle, contend with, and that we wanted to bring to light, and influence. The very first thing we talked about, the very first thing was how the different segments of the fitness, health, and wellness industry did not cross over. And we thought that was crazy and silly. We thought it didn't make any sense. Why is it that the wellness people don't jive and talk with and work with the fitness people? And why are there just wellness people and just fitness people? Isn't all of it the same? Is it at all contributing to making you healthier? Why do we have spiritual people who aren't even in that conversation? Why is it all a conflict of interest? Right, lately we've been bringing people on the show that represent different ways of achieving spiritual health or opening people's minds or whatever. Why are we doing that? Because it's all part of health. We knew that, and so that was the big... And sexual health, right? Yeah, all of it, right? All of that represents your health. And so we talked about that early on. The other thing we talked about was, here look, here's the bottom line. And I'm not trying to be alarmist or whatever. Sometimes I know I come across that way, but it is true that we are simultaneously in the most prosperous, amazing time in human history. If you could pick from today going back to the beginning of time a time when you should be alive, today would definitely be the time that most people would pick because you have most access to things. You don't have to worry about crime, equalities at all time highs. There's opportunities for everybody. If you work hard, you're smart. For the most part, you're gonna be okay and do okay. You don't have to worry about starvation. We figured out a lot of acute diseases, all that stuff. But simultaneously, we also have just dramatic increases in things like depression, anxiety, suicide, suicide, and skyrocketing, especially among young men. You have mental illness skyrocketing. And we knew that the fitness, health, and wellness industry should be the answer. Right there is the answer. And yet, it's not. It actually was part of the problem. And this was the frustration that we had seen as trainers for, I had seen it for at least a decade. I'd worked two decades as a trainer that at least the second half of my career, I would tell people forget everything you heard. I think that's a fair statement because I think the first half we were probably part of the problem. Of course. Of course. Because you learn from it, you're in it. This is the information you're receiving as a trainer from your certifications, from your colleagues, from your education, which is many times funded by these companies, these special interests, whatever. And then you're also clouded by your own ego, your own insecurities. Most people who get into fitness professionally are originally motivated to do so because they don't like the way their bodies look or the vanity, whatever. There's a lot of dysfunction that kind of propels people initially. So that first half, we were a part of the problem. 100% was a part of the problem. The second half, and really what motivated me, and you guys have said the same thing, just your love for the clients that you have. You want to help them. You really want to help them, so you keep digging, digging, digging. And eventually you just get to the point where you're like, okay, you know, Mrs. Smith, I know you're hiring me, here's the first thing. Forget everything you've heard from the fitness industry. Forget everything you've read because all of that stuff, most of it's not going to help you. I'm going to try and help you the way that I know that seems to be successful and it's very different from what you heard. It's going to take a lot longer than you think, but we're going to do this together. And, you know, we came from that space. Coming in, we started MindPump and we looked and said, hey, we think that this can be the answer. We know the answers are within it. We know the answers are within it from a physical health standpoint, nutritional health standpoint, mental health standpoint, spiritual health standpoint, but it's not getting delivered. And that's the purpose. So, you know, it's funny, the money making side of what we do is the side effect of that. And I'm not saying that we started this business without the intent of creating a business. Obviously we did, but we did a year of business without a single, without monetization at all. And we worked hard for a full year doing it and it was, you know what motivated us every day when we woke up? The purpose. Well, not only that and you say that because then people think like, oh, that's the what's one year. Well, the second year wasn't all of a sudden paying the shit out of ourselves either. You know what I'm saying? We actually got a dollar after the first year, you know what I'm saying? And then reinvested quite a substantial amount. Yeah, even at this point, I mean, we're approaching four years, right? I think once four years had dug, August, is that when we, or this month? January. Oh, January is gonna be four years, right? This is the first year where I can say we're all like now starting to reap some of the benefits, you know, financially, I would say. Yeah, I know, absolutely. And even that, it's still conservative considering how large of a company that we've built already. Like it's not, but again, like Justin said, a lot of that's being reinvested. But would we have lasted as long as we did had we not really felt driven behind this kind of purpose that we're trying to drive to? I don't think so. If it was any other business, if we did a car wash business or, I don't know, some kind of business, would we have stuck together as long as we did, you know, doing all that and probably not, we would have probably stopped because it wasn't really driving us. And I think that's what's important because in business, if you want to be successful, it's almost like you kind of, that's a big part of it because shit changes. You're going to get thrown down on the floor a lot and what's going to pick you up is something that's more important than, I don't know, than yourself, maybe. I mean, that sounds a little esoteric, but you get my point. Like there's that purpose behind it. So I think it makes a huge, it makes all the difference in the world. It really does. And on the other end of it, you know, and here's the business side now, the consumer can see and feel it. I mean, that's the reality. Yeah, it's interesting to think about too because there's, there was a moment where I, I thought about like the way that I was communicating information to my clients and like typically it was like, okay, how are we feeling today? Like it was very reactive, you know, it was very like, I'm going to take care of you. We're going to work going forward from here versus like really implanting and putting seeds in place to be preventive and like, and like figure out what that even looks like going, you know, in a different direction. And so I feel like a lot of the mentality people share towards their own health is very reactive. And they don't, they don't want to think in terms of like, you know, what I can be doing, even though I already feel great right now, what I can be doing to set myself up and invest in myself, you know, in the longterm and, you know, like that's where the wellness side really, you know, needs to be like a conversation that we need to pull that piece into the fitness and like where you are right now. You know what kind of attitude I used to have the first 10 years as a trainer, client would come to me, I get their goals, you want to lose 30 pounds, you want to feel better, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then my sales pitch was basically and in that shell, they would trust me because I was very charismatic, right? I could sell my ideas very well. And then I'd say something like, do everything that I'm telling you, follow everything I'm saying and you'll get exactly what you want. And that was it. Like just do what I say and you'll get all the things that you want. And the reason, now, was it successful in the sense that some people did what I said and got the results? Yes. Was it successful in the sense that people actually made lifelong changes? No. It was terribly non-successful, not successful whatsoever because the message was do what I'm telling you. Right. You want to get all the answers for a test? Yeah. They'll pass the test. You know what I'm saying? If you tell the kid all the answers to the test, he's going to haste the test. It's because I thought... They're not going to value it. But they're not going to learn it. No. They're not going to learn. It's because we all thought that it was the goal. The goal is the answer. Lose 30 pounds. That's what we want. Which, you know, talk about how challenging that is for trainers even today because, you know, this has to be one of the hardest things and took me years to get good at this because people come in that way. And it's tough because as a trainer, you have to make money. You know, and the only way you make money is if people are in front of you and they're hiring you and they're paying you to stand in front of you. Well, a lot of these people, they come in and I know what I want. I want this, you know? I want to lose 30 pounds. I don't give a shit about anything else. Just tell me what to do. Yeah. I mean, how many times have you heard that? How many times has someone told you that you just... I just... I don't care. I don't care. Just tell me what to do. Tell me what to eat. Tell me what I have to do and I'll disgruntle about it. Right. And that's challenging if you really are going to change their life long-term. And then it's also challenging if you're going to be successful and grow your business because at the end of the day, like you said, you need people in front of you so we are in a service business and so part of that being in a service business is providing the service that these people are technically paying for. You just have to learn to convince them or make them understand that they don't know that they're unaware. You have to lead them. You can't push them. You can't push anybody to these types of changes. You have to lead and they have to willingly follow. That's just the only way it's going to work. And the path that you're leading them on starts where they are at. So this is an important thing to understand as a fitness professional. If you're listening to your trainer or even if you're not a trainer and you're trying to change your body, you need to hear this is very important. Imagine where you're at and imagine where you think you can be, okay? In order to get to that place, there's a path that you have to follow and there's only one path. There's no shortcuts. There just isn't. It doesn't work that way. It's proven in studies and science. I'm telling you based on experience, there absolutely are nor no shortcuts. Can you take a shortcut and get quick results? Yes. Will that be real lifelong change? No. The big odds are it's not going to work for you. You're not going to feel any happier and you'll probably gain the weight back and all that stuff. So there is a clear path, but the path starts where you are at. Now, where are you right now or where is your client right now? Well, this is somebody that doesn't do any types of structured exercise or activity. This is somebody whose lifestyle is pretty sedentary. They eat in a way that basically the highest value of their food is based on taste or convenience. So those are the two things that determine what they're going to eat. Is it convenient and do I like the taste of it? So that's what you're dealing with and what you're contending with. This is also a person that has zero understanding of what is in food. They don't know how many grams of protein are in particular types of foods, grams of fat, grams of carbohydrates, how those all affect them. They don't know how to eat based on how they feel on their activity levels. They don't know what their basal metabolic rate. They don't know any of that information whatsoever. They don't know that they have muscle recruitment pattern issues that are maybe potentially causing pain or just making them feel crummy or crappy. They don't know that they're asleep. Maybe dysfunctional is not making them feel better. They don't know that they're relying on stimulants and sedatives to get them up and then get them to sleep. They don't know any of these things. So where are they at? They are there. That's where the path starts. So how do you take someone from there to this other path, which by the way, there is really no end. The path doesn't end anywhere. Along the way, you get these awesome goals and all that stuff, but you just stay on it. You have to start where you're at. You have to adapt your message to fit within what they're bringing in. Dude, it took me so long to learn that as a trainer. I mean, it took me a good 10 years. And I was a dedicated, very good trainer for 10 years. And it still took me 10 years to learn that, where I would get a client and, you know, I would figure out where they were at. And, you know, goal number one was, okay, I want you to drink, you know, two glasses of water a day. That's where you're at. Where we're at now is two glasses of water a day is where we're gonna start. I remember I had one lady who, and I hope she's listening. Her name is Collie, good friend of mine. She was sent to me by one of my doctor clients. And she, you know, she had some health issues, whatever. She came to me and she had terrible experience with exercise, terrible experience with physical therapy, lots of pain, whatever. First words out of her mouth were, you know, doctor told me I need to be here and I'm not gonna work out more than once a week. That's where she was. Huge walls right away. Yeah, old Sal. Old Sal would have spent an hour convincing her she needed to work out three days a week. Convincing her like, that's gonna waste your time. You just come in. New Sal was like, no problem. This is where you're at. Here's what we could do with once a week. Now, over the course of, you know, it was like four years, over the course of four years, she got to the point where she was working out twice a week with me. She was doing activity on her own another two or three days a week. So now she became mostly active versus where she was doing before. Her diet radically changed. When she first came to me, it was like, it was all, here's what she knew about diet. If I eat low calorie, I'll be okay. That was her thing. It was a lot of processed food, stuff like that. And then she used to tell me, don't talk to me about nutrition. Actually told me that for two years. Do not talk to me about nutrition. So I'm like, no problem. I knew some of her inflammation issues and all that stuff was tied to the sugar and the processed foods, but I didn't even touch it because she wasn't there yet. Four years later, she was making her own meal. I mean, complete transformation. I would have blown her out of the water. Old Sal, I would have never touched her. Yeah, you know the other thing. I mean, you bring up like, I just, I recognized about how I would start to coach and communicate. Like before that, I would give them, like you said, like the answers to all the tests, right? Like, here's what to look out for. Here's this, this, that, the other. But really what was even more effective was sort of giving them a very, you know, a more of a broad stroke of like, things to consider, but step back and step back and then probe them later. Ask questions that, you know, obviously you're leading them into certain answers, but you know, even for them to have self-discovery and to figure these things out on their own was way more powerful. Oh. They come in, oh my God, I feel like when I ate this food, I totally felt different the next day and I was energy, you know, like them understanding that about themselves, like that lasted long. You know why? Whatever you say to someone else, they can then decide is true or false. That's always true. This is, by the way, this is a sales lesson as well if you try to communicate effectively. This is an important thing to understand. Whatever statement you make is either true or false to the person that's listening. Whatever statement they make is always true to them. So if a client figures something out for themselves or at least they feel like it's something that they've discovered on their own, it's impactful and it is true. You can hammer it all you want and sell them, but they can decide it's bullshit and I don't believe that. I saw it, I felt it. Yeah, and it's just not going to work. And this is, you know, this is the direction. And here's the thing, I know why the fitness industry hasn't never gone in this direction. It doesn't sell a lot of shit and it's not sexy. And how do I sell a supplement based on that? What is that? Here's your long-term fitness plan, supplement, it makes you think about what you're doing. I mean, I don't understand, do we know marketing behind it? It's very difficult. Right. So I get that, but I'm glad that new technology allows this message to get out because even our message wouldn't be able to get out, wouldn't have gotten out before. Well, speaking of tech, this is why I'm so big on, because the first half of my career, we didn't have the tools that we have now. And what I love to do, you know, I just had a client recently, a friend of mine who I still talk to and help. And she's like, I don't know, I got this, she's got a vacation coming up in about a month and a half or so. And she's like, I just want to come down like five pounds. Can you tell me what to do? And I said, well, you know the process with me. What's the first thing I want to want you to do? Like I have no idea where you're at right now. I have no idea what you've been doing. Like give me a week to track everything. Show me your steps, track your food. Don't change anything, do what you've been doing. That's all. I just want to see where you're at. Because from there, I'll give one to two small goals. I'll look at where her movement is and her steps are on a regular basis. I'll look at what she's eating and I'll see what's going on with her exercise and give very subtle things. And then I'm not going to give her subtle things and say, oh, this, that, expect all these things. I'll say, do that, report back. And then I want to hear, what do you feel? What do you notice? What's going on? So they can make that connection. That is so important. Those awareness tools are very, can be used very, very powerful. Very, very important to make it. Otherwise, they will forever lean on me to always tell them, you know, what to do. This way it's like, okay, she'll start to pick up on it to the third, the fourth, the fifth time that I told her this every time that, hey, track your stuff, see where you're at. Now let's make some subtle adjustments, you know. And a lot of times, and this happens almost every time, when somebody, I tell someone to do that, just the tracking and becoming aware automatically makes a big difference because everybody thinks they're moving more than what they really are and everybody thinks they're eating better than what they really are, including myself who's been tracking and doing this for fucking 20 years. Isn't that funny, we tend to overestimate all that stuff? Yes. Oh, I'm doing pretty good and start tracking like, oh, some healthy stuff. Even myself, okay, even myself. Here's the thing, even when I, you know, quote unquote, eating well, you know, and I track it, there's always something I can tweak to actually improve it. And it's subtle, whether it be increasing my fiber or increasing my protein or reducing my sugar or whatever, or better, more healthy fats. Like, there's always something in my diet that isn't perfectly balanced always that will only make my body run more optimally if I start to fuel it correctly. And I can just make that one, and it's not a huge commitment. It's not weigh a bunch of food, measure a bunch of stuff, sacrifice everything, eat bars and shakes every day. It's like, oh, look, you know, it looks like I'm grossly under eating fiber. That's gonna help, you know? That's gonna help big time if I say, oh shit, look at that, I'm getting like 70 to 90 grams of sugar every day, had no idea. And the cool thing is the more you do that with the right intentions, the easier it becomes to live that way without having to do that. Right, to make this just because then you start to know, like, oh, I know that I haven't got my usual intake of berries. You can feel it, yeah. You can feel like, oh, I know why I feel this way, why my digestion is this way, you know, I've done this now five times. Yeah, why my stool is off. It's so weird, I haven't had such a bad shit today. Well, maybe go back track the last 48 hours. God, how many people don't realize bad shits are not normal? Right, so many people. They don't attribute it, yeah, it's just like, oh, I had crazy explosive diarrhea this morning. Weird. Dude, I used to think- I thought we just pooped in consistently, myself. That was just the way it was. Yes, I just thought you have good shit days, bad shit days. I mean, it's even people joke about it, right? Like, oh, I had a great shit today. Wait a second. That one burned. Why isn't it like that every day? Like it should be that way. It shouldn't be like- Or accepting that, you know, like here's one, especially from the muscle-building community, that when you fart, it needs to be terribly putrid. Yeah, like you need to clear the whole, like, weight room. Yeah, that's just farts. Farts are supposed to be- They're not supposed to be like this. It's normal that you're farting all day long or you take five shits because of it. No. That's not normal either, dude. No, no, no. I used to actually use it as a- It's crazy. Our body gives us so many signs, dude. We just don't, you ignore them. Yeah. We completely ignore them. Now, that's the irony of it all is as you start to read these things and track these things and pay attention to these things and simultaneously make the highest value when it comes to your nutrition, your health. Like, that becomes the primary value of what drives you to eat, but you also have to have all that information behind it. You have to know what to do. When you do that, you know, I hate saying this because people take this the wrong way, but in it, because it is a process, but once you do that, you have the right information, you've been working with your body, you start to understand how to read things and simultaneously health is the ultimate priority. It gets easy. Dude, think about the most ideal situation ever. If, you know, somebody is that open-minded willing to go through that process of, like, eating, paying attention, riding, tracking, simultaneously go through the process of understanding, you know, where their joint is, where it lies, where their abilities lie currently and what patterns they, you know, have established as routine for them every single day. Like, if they know, if they get to the point where they know a pretty solid amount of data where they can assess, like, here's where I'm currently. Like, this is my homeostasis. This is, like, literally where I am. Think about going forward from there how easy that is. Like, people want to bypass that whole process completely and just get to the grind and the work. Oh, yeah, because, and here's the other wonderful thing I love about fitness. Once you understand its power, you can have a lot of fun with it. You know, hey, I want to get a little leaner. You can get a little leaner. Hey, I want to get shredded. You can get shredded. I want to get really strong. I want to get really mobile. I need more energy for this. Oh, my God, this is a stressful time in my life. I need to make my body more resilient to stress. Knowing how your body works and making health the priority, you can move, the branches coming off of that are very good. They're very accurate, you know? I've always said, I've said this to several people now in my DMs where they're either physique competitors or bodybuilders or bikini competitors. And they'll tell me, hey, you know, I am, I make, I'm trying to make health my ultimate priority. I'm trying to do all these things, but also I like to compete and get shredded and I know it's not healthy and this, that, and the other. And what I tell them is that that's perfectly fine, but make health your home base, move from there versus people don't have a home base. So it's either shredded or terrible health. Shit in between. Right, right. So once you make that your base, your home base, and you know where to move from there, it becomes a lot of fun. And dare I say again, easy. It becomes easier. You don't have to work as hard. Like it's like tightening a screw in a very like laser focused direction versus like having to do a bunch in, you know, in competition with each other. You got to learn to enjoy the process too because it's never going to end. I mean, I bet you right now, if we went around the room, okay, I guarantee there's things right now because we're all on the six week challenge right now. There's things that I don't want to say learning because all of us I think have learned a lot of lessons already, but are becoming aware of where you're currently at right now. Like, you know, not eating enough of this, doing too much of this, posture like this, pain like this. Like a couple of things right off the bat for me. Like right now, you know, because I'm back to tracking again, it always reminds me of what a challenge it is for me to hit protein intake. It just, it flat out is. I'm a big guy. I need a lot of protein and it's, and I like meat. I still, but it's just for me to hit the right amount for my size. You want 200? That's where I want to be. That's four 50 gram servings, which is pretty big. Yeah. You know, that's a lot. Like yesterday I had three meals and one of them had 30 grams in it. One had 40 grams in it. One had 20. Not enough. Yeah. Think about that right there. That's way low. I mean, it's enough for health, but not for, yeah. Right. Like I'm trying to make gains right now. I'm trying to, I'm trying to win a competition. So I ain't fucking around. I'm trying to make, which a lot of people, they're trying to make moves. Most people are trying to change their body composition. We do have a percentage, a sliver of people that listen to this show that just want optimal health. They want to feel good. Sure. We talk a lot to that, but there's a bigger bulk of people that want to change their bodies and they want to move it. And there's always things, every time I come back to, you know, competing or challenging myself to move my body composition that I'm underperforming and I do something. Let's talk about posture. So I drove from, we drove up from Santa Barbara, right? And I, right after that I did chest and man, my shoulder was killing me. Oh, it's from sitting in the car all day. Exactly. You were priming wrong way. Right. For two five-hour trips in the car, you know, and then sitting also while we're down there the whole time pretty much. So, you know, duh, I know why my shoulder hurt when I went to go do chest. And then I went to go do our zone one against the wall and oh, I could feel it. Like I can tell, I can barely get my hands back against the wall with my head and my low back press flat. Like that's zone one just crushes. This is for maps prime. Right. So it just crushes me to just get into that position. It's always an area for me. And it's always an area that everything I do is working against that. And it's like instantly, and this is again, it's not a learning thing for me. I know this, but right away when I feel that because I've been here enough times, I know to go over, go do my zone test. And then it's just to me, it's like, oh wow, holy crap. I'm like six inches away from the wall right now where normally I can get all the way against the wall or close to the wall, which just reminds me of like how important that is to not only consistently do that, but then to also do that for sure to combat it when I have a day like that where I'm sitting in a really poor position. So these are just things that to this day, I've been training for a very long time. I'm still being reminded and still becoming more hyper aware of these little nuances of how my body works and how I need to feed it nutritionally to see the change. Yeah, but setting a specific date for a particular goal, if you're in a good starting place or if you're healthy, you understand, you're working for things in the right way. What a great way to pick up on those nuances, to pick up on those small details because now you're focused on something and it's not just this general thing. Otherwise it becomes much more difficult. Like for me, I notice for myself, even if I make good food choices, eating out is not nearly as good as preparing my own food. Period, end of story, done. Now, part of that is because I do have a sensitive gut, so that kind of changes. But I also notice it in my body. Even if I eat out and make the right choices, whatever oils they use or the quality of food, I can tell, and the reason why I can tell now is because I'm not eating out at all or very little now. I'm eating out very, whereas before I would eat out almost every day, I'd make good choices, but I'd still buy food out. Even at Whole Foods, it's funny. You go to Whole Foods, which is supposed to be this healthy place. They use vegetable oil and all their shit. Everything is canola oil. Everything is canola oil and all these processed vegetable oils, which are inflammatory. Now, for a person like me, who's had gut issues in the past, really bad ones, that inflammatory oil, even though it's not gluten or dairy or things that I typically have an intolerance to, they will affect me. And the way I'll feel it is inflammation. I'll feel it in my joints. I'll feel how I move. That's interesting because I've noticed too, obviously I'm sticking to one thing with meat, you can definitely tell the difference in quality. Yes. And with butcher box, it's nice because it's all consistent. I know it's high-grade quality and it's something that I can lean on at my house and cook for myself. I put it on the grill. I know the process. I'm not adding anything to it that, like you said, oils or anything. Any spice or anything else might have some gluten or anything else involved with it. But going out to eat was like, there'd just be that little bit of flavor they'd add or maybe they added some kind of like saline solution to the meat or maybe it's a low-grade meat. It was very obvious, especially with my digestive process with that too. And then the next morning I would have diarrhea sometimes when I'd eat out. Well, I shared this with you guys when I was competing way back when we were doing the show. I remember I did one show where, I mean I followed my macros to a tee, both shows, the only difference was one show I let myself have the processed foods. I let myself have bars and shakes and I had a lot of them. Macros are the same. Everything's the same. Apparently. Right, right, exactly. And then the other way was all whole natural foods that I weighed, measured myself and there was a very, and even though both shows, I came in shredded, I looked good, I got on stage, there was a distinct difference that I could tell. And my body just looked different. You know, it looked softer. It looked like I was holding more water. I was probably inflamed a little bit. Whatever it was, it was not exactly the same. It was not equal. I can tell you that right now. And so it's, what's cool is when you do things like that where you, like you said Sal, where you set a challenge or a competition where you're actually tracking or measuring or you're trying to make progress consistently, you become hyper aware of all these little- And the leaner you get, that's one of the main benefits of getting really lean. And I recommend anybody who's at a good place with their health and fitness and nutrition, I recommend those people in that space one time, try and get yourself to a nice, really lean body fat percentage. How about this? Just the leanest you've ever been? Yeah. You're gonna have to be shredded. Right, right. Because maybe you've never seen below 10% and 9% is not great. Just because your body is very sensitive to things. And I will guarantee you, guarantee you, you will feel things you've never felt before. But your body is extremely sensitive and what it takes to get that lean, it's crazy. And I remember that very, very vividly as I got lower and lower and lower how ultra sensitive I became to every little thing that put it into my body. I mean, I remember having a sip of coffee and feeling it go through my body. Like seeing it go through my, literally seeing my veins all of a sudden start to pop out and see feeling it come, it's a trip. When you're that lean, you have like no body fat. Yeah, you become really, you have to be a healthy person and have a good grasp of things to go there. But when you do, if you're smart, you can really pay attention. You know what was mind blowing for me? And this was, Jessica pointed this out to me a long time ago and I pointed this out to you Justin when we were eating out. When you go to a restaurant and you order food and they give you that little, you know, plastic cup of butter. Oh yeah. It's never real butter. Ever. I did not know that. So we were eating out and I was eating, I remember we were eating. Vegetable oil. Think about the fish market or something and we got fish and vegetables and whatever. And I said, hey, can I have a side of butter to put on my vegetables? And so she brings it out and puts it in front of me and Jessica goes, wait, hold on. She goes, is this real butter? And the lady goes, oh, hold on. And then she goes in the back, comes back with real butter, which is harder and more solid. This was vegetable oil margarine. Like fluffy and kind of. It's margarine. Now it tastes like butter because they flavor it. Right. But you want to talk about something that's just absolutely like nobody disagrees that that's bad for your body. Yeah. Even, you know, traditional like FDA, whatever will say, you know, those trans fats are bad for you. They're terrible. And when you eat them, you may be eating everything right, put in that realize that that's what they're using to give your food flavor. And then be like, why do I feel like shit? I didn't eat the foods I'm intolerant to a mostly healthy, because you had a bunch of vegetable oil process vegetable. And remember, I told you that the same thing when you when they brought it to you. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, it was a substantial difference because you could see how they like whip it and it's all fluffy. And it's like they got it down to where it looks really appetizing, appealing and like, you know, but it's not even real. Dude, that's when I was a kid. That's what I used. Yeah. I use that country crock. Remember that? I do. In the brown tub. That was our family, the big old tub. They used to sit on the dinner table every night with all of our bread and stuff that we used to eat. Yeah. And just put it all over there. Wonder bread. Yeah. And just terrible. That was marketed as way healthier than butter forever. Like I can't believe it's not butter thing that was going on. What are you guys, what are you guys becoming aware of right now? Like currently, because we're all in like week, we're into week two right now, right? Yeah. We're into week two right now doing this whole thing. Are there things that you're becoming hyper aware of that you maybe weren't doing before that you noticed that you're changing? So what I've done so far is I've definitely brought, generally brought my calories down. But I've also, I don't want to lose too fast because I've dropped, I've dropped three, about three pounds, which is a little bit more than I wanted to. Although I know maybe one of those is water. So I'm okay with it. So what I did was, you know, I'm incorporating fasting into my regime. What I'm doing is on Tuesdays and Thursdays, when I don't have heavy workouts, I'll fast until about two or three p.m. And those will be my lower calorie days. And the rest of the days are higher. But I think they were too low calorie because I had initially dropped about four pounds. So and my appetite was ravenous. And I was like, okay, I need to slow this down because I have five more weeks. And what I don't want to do is, you know, head into the last week where I'm just depleted and losing muscle and all that stuff. So I've bumped them up a little bit. But the biggest thing I noticed is just eating out, even if I make the right food choices, it's not the same. So I'm just really not eating out that much, which is great for my pocketbook, too. Because I tell you what, I added up how much money I spend eating out. Oh, especially the way we eat. Everything's double meat. I could buy a nice car right now for that month of payment. It's been expensive buying all these steaks. Let me tell you. Yeah. At the same time, like what I've noticed really is just like my activity levels have dramatically increased. And my joint pain is pretty much non-existent. So. Really? Yeah. So even when I'm doing like any dead lifting or like back, you know, back squats or anything like that, like I don't feel. Sometimes I'll get a little twinge in my knee or, you know, I'll get like a little bit of a shoulder pain. You know, when I'm lifting heavy, I just don't feel that right now. I feel like really like supercharged. So and fluid in my joints. So I don't even really spend a whole lot of time with mobility right now. You don't have to. Yeah. It's weird. Like I, I feel like somewhat athletic, you know, like with my movements, like I'm a lot. I think it's just that the weight loss element of it is definitely played a factor in that. And I think my body does well, you know, at a lighter weight. You said you were seven pounds down. Seven pounds down. So you're seven. I'm down about three. Adam, you said you stayed the same. Well, I'm down now. So I was the last time you asked me that I was the same. So which was just a few days ago, but I just recently dry went three days in a row of low, low calorie. And what do you, how much have you gone down? I dropped five pounds right away. Holy cow. What's water? Most of it's water. I think you were getting leaner anyway. I was. You were looking different. And I won't, and I won't stay down here today. Today will be the plan is to train today and then I'll be back up on my calories again. But like every like, so I think I originally told everybody I was going to do a a two week cut, a two week bulk, a two week cut and what it's kind of played out to be. And then I, I talked about that I more than likely call an audible and I for sure have called an audible. And that's just because and I won't like you brought up fasting. Like I won't be doing any fasting. And mainly for me, like I see that my metabolism still is nowhere near where it was before. And I'm trying to get it there. You know, so I'm not, I'm not interested in going too low of calorie. I'm not interested. You don't want those men. You don't want to adapt down. Yeah, I don't, I don't want it to adapt any lower than what it is. I can tell it's not very responsive in the past. Like if I were to do like I just did where I did like these back to back low days of calories, man, I would just see myself really lean out. And my body's just not very as soon. Yeah. It's just not exactly like in a perfect world. I mean, I was just getting back to feeling good. I should be for the next six months really kind of in the building phase, maybe not six, maybe three months, whatever, you know, for, but for a while I should be in this more of a building phase, which I've been doing because we're trying to get lean and build. That's where I'm kind of in this gray area of, you know, changing my body composition for me. I hope when I get this test, I care even less about like exactly how much body fat I have. I hope I put some muscle on. So if I can lose a few pounds of fat and then also put some muscle on along the way, that's a big win for me versus just trying to get shredded and lean, lose body fat because I know my body, if I do that, it's inevitable, I'll sacrifice some muscle in order just to do that, you know. Sure. One thing, like as far as the eating schedule for me goes that I've realized is that like I'm actually trying to apply more like high calorie, like focused days, like almost like the inverse of like the fasting mentality. So where I am is already low calorie. Like I can't like it's, it's a pretty low. So you're trying to do days of high calorie. So I'm trying to do days of high calorie that I'm intermittently and interjecting throughout the week. So maybe two a week where I'm just like really focused on like loading as much as possible. That's smart. And so that's, that's been something new that I've done that I felt like it's good because then it'll carry me into the next day and I feel this like a lift of energy. That's smart. Did I tell you guys what I'm doing this weekend? So I'm running a little experiment and I'm going to document it and share it on social media on my Instagram page. This is something that I've wanted to do for a long time, but I've never taken the time out aside to do. And now that I have a home gym in my garage and this weekend, you know, I don't have the kids. So it's just going to be Jessica and I and we have nothing else scheduled on Saturday. And so I thought this is the perfect time. So what I'm going to do is, and this is an experiment on, I want to see how my central nervous system responds and reacts to a full day of Oh, the training you're going to split this weekend. A full day of resistance training. You say you're going to bring it up in like seven workouts. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to pick three exercises. And so is Jessica. My three exercises and I've been weighing it out like what movements should I do because I only want to do three because, and you'll know why in a second. I don't want to pick anymore. So I had to pick three and I wanted them to be the same throughout the whole day. I didn't want to do three different exercises each time because the idea of this is and what I think is going to happen is throughout the day my CNS or my body is going to actually feel stronger because I'm getting better at the movement as I'm doing the movements. My intensity is going to be moderate. I'm not trying to do high intensity. How many sets are you going to do? So I'm going to pick three exercises, three sets each and I'm going to do this workout every other hour starting at 7 a.m. So I'm going to go 7 a.m., 9 a.m., 11 a.m., go all the way down to 7 p.m. So I'm going to be doing, yeah. Can we total sets that is? Six, so six workouts. That's a shit ton of volume. It's, I think, six workouts. Times nine, that's 54 sets. Actually no, seven workouts. We're going to do another one. So seven workouts. So 21 sets per exercise for the whole day. Now the intensity is going to be moderate. Oh, that's not, oh yeah, per exercise. Yeah, per exercise. So it's actually going to be 63. So it's going to be, I'm picking three exercises. The ones I'm picking are bench press, barbell squat and barbell row. I was going to do deadlift, but I thought deadlifting and squatting that much. Very taxing. Yeah, I'm going to fuck myself up. That was a good call. Yeah, so I'm going bench, squat, barbell row. I'm picking a weight that I can normally do maybe like 8 or 10 reps with and I'm only doing 5. So it's still heavy. It's still going to feel kind of challenging, but it's not. I'm not challenging myself, but I'm doing it throughout the entire day, every other hour. Wow. In between... Damn, you're going to do this Saturday? This Saturday. When you're going to start what time? 7 a.m. I kind of want to do this. In between the workouts, I'm going to feed myself a little bit. So I'm going to have small meals of proteins, carbohydrates and some fats and the reason why I'm doing that obviously is I'm going to be doing so much exercise so I have to have to fuel myself. I'm also in between the workouts and this I'm taking out of the Paul Check book. In between, I'm going to be writing for mine pumps. So this is why I said I'm going to be creating some guides. Damn, this is going to be a crazy day right here. Right left brain action. Yeah. Paul Check says, he's always saying paint or write in between your sets of exercise because you're switching the focus from this kind of logical forward thinking type of thing when you're working out aggressive to this calm, parasympathetic creative mind. And so I thought that's fascinating. The reason why I'm doing it and this is my theory. My theory is, well, first off, my big, the big challenges with doing this workout are can I keep my body from just breaking down and overdoing it? Because that's a lot. It's by the fourth or fifth, you know, time doing it. What is your eating look like with this? It's going to be small so I'm going to have like white rice, chicken, or some red meat. I'll throw in some fat in there, maybe some fruit. So just light but to fuel my body and I'm also going to map it out so the but I also want to do the the writing and creative stuff in between because I'm going to go from sympathetic and I also want to do parasympathetic in between. I don't want, I don't want to be so amped all day long that it's going to, it'll mess me up. It'll be too much. Well, you know that. Yeah. That's like what basically separates a lot of professional level athletes versus like amateur level athletes is how quickly can get into parasympathetic. Yeah. So quickly can recover. Yep. I'm not aware. So, so that's going to be that caffeine I'll use in the beginning of the day and I'm not doing any more caffeine throughout the whole day because I don't want to hammer myself. Are you going to so take the three movements. You're only doing five reps. Are you going to circuit the three or are you going to give yourself adequate respite? No, straight sets. So yep. Same way. So here's the challenge is going to be picking the right weight. Am I going to pick the right way because a weight that's challenging enough to where I feel like I have to focus but not so hard to where I'm like going through a hard work out. Why don't you give yourself a more flexibility on your rep range like shoot for a five to eight rep range and as long as you fall in there I have a feeling that the higher rep ranges are going to burn me out and that the five I was going to do two or three and then I thought no, you know let's go a little higher but if I go too high because you know high reps can really burn over again. So I'm doing five I want to stick with five I want to pick a weight that I can do for five here's what I think is going to happen I feel like the first couple workouts are going to feel the same by the third and fourth one I think I'm going to feel stronger I think I'm actually going to feel like I'm driving and getting into the weight and feeling good by the fifth, sixth and seventh I feel like I'm going to start to fade and start to kind of hurt a little bit end of the day we're going to do yoga stretching at home okay yeah it's in my garage because I have food there and everything I would love to have one of the boys go over and video I know you're going to document on your Instagram but that's a really cool idea yeah we're just going to talk and see you know let people know what's going on I just really I like that idea and I'll give everything and then Sunday because the day after that I don't know how my body's going to feel I could be sore as shit and feel terrible at this work out it was with my best friend and another buddy and it's like it's so weird it's the only time this has ever happened and we were just I don't know why this happened but we were in the gym for like four hours and you know because most of it was talking and bullshitting but we were lifting together and we do a set and then we'd bullshit for a while then we'd do another set and bullshit for a while and it literally stretched out over four hours but at that time I was really serious about my lifting and so when we did get in and lift I was definitely pushing myself a little bit weight wise and so because I wanted a good workout but I remember leaving the gym and not feeling like I got a great work out I didn't have this massive pump I didn't feel like it lifted like crazy and I was a little pissed off but I was sore as fuck the next day it just surprised the shit out of me because I never felt like I worked that hard so I had to go to refuge and do sauna steam cold dead because it's all planned out relax I'm a little jealous right now this is something I've been planning for a long time and wanted to do because I have a theory and my theory is that if you do something like this and you do it right that you should see very rapid strength and muscle gains it's one of my theories one of my because it's like taking trigger sessions to the extreme or that constant yeah yeah no I agree so I feel like it may do that I'm not lifting today I'm just doing regular triggers I'm supposed to do heavy workouts today but I'm not to prepare for tomorrow so I don't know man we'll see what happens you know I'm excited for you yeah so but I'm basically gonna be home all day long well I know that to me is probably cause I'm thinking about it right now like part of me is like fuck can I do this tomorrow is it's a commitment yeah my whole day is ruined I mean you're not doing that's that first hour and then you have an hour break and then you're gonna go get well in that hour break you're talking about working and eating so you're gonna be eating for a little bit so probably the last half hour they're working out is getting ready to eat you eat and then you're gonna be you're gonna be reading and then I mean writing and then you're gonna be right back I mean you are gonna be all day all day long I feel like what's gonna happen is the first workout I'm gonna have to warm up stretch whatever I feel like after that I'll just be able to jump in now I have I don't think it'll take long I do have a suggestion I mean you can do whatever the fuck you want but I do have a suggestion that I think that you should do instead of dedicating every hour in between to writing is maybe every other one of those you actually go for a stroll otherwise you're actually not gonna move very much think about that you're gonna because the lifting you'll be moving a little bit for the lifting you might not recover it might be we'll see that's a very good point and also it'll speed up the digestive so what I would suggest if I was doing if I was gonna do the same thing as you are well I plan on writing a guide and I think I'll be able to do that within you know if I'm focused or whatever I'm definitely think I'm gonna be focused because there's nothing like movement to make my mind like I think I'll probably be able I'll be done with it not even halfway through but I think what you're saying is very valid I didn't think of that I think a sweet setup for that I know I'm totally taking your idea and fucking picking you off of it but I think that like doing what you're doing I would after I do the sets I would eat and then I go for a 20 minute stroll just walk to help speed the digestive process up that's only gonna help get the nutrients where it needs to go and then get you ready for the next lift within an hour and a half which is perfect because that's about how long it's gonna take for that food to digest so you're only gonna speed that process up for you so I think it'll help digestion I think it'll promote better movement because you're actually moving getting blood flow circulation and then calories burn that's the only thing that's different other than that it'll be intra I'm excited though this is cool yeah we'll see what happens what a cool idea yeah we'll see what happens I told you guys this a long time ago maybe two years ago I remember you've been talking about this wow I know we did kind of mention that you mentioned this before but what made you decide you're gonna do this right now well it evolved from so I read a bunch of old I've always been reading old stuff when it comes to fitness and bodybuilding and muscle building and all that stuff and there's this old technique that lifters used to do back in the day that wasn't super popular but it was popular enough to where it was written about where you'd go in the gym and every hour you'd go in the gym and work your arms and you'd work them get a good pump and then you know take a break and then the next hour or two hours later do it again you do this all day long and guys would say that they'd add a half an inch to their arms in a single day and I've read articles on this I remember reading them as a kid and thinking they were crazy and that's stupid and maybe they're just so swollen and flaying that that's what's happening then I started doing research online and guys were saying like and then I understood how trigger sessions work and how the sensor nervous system works and I thought this would be fascinating I wonder if I could kind of apply this to myself in a calculated way and so I just came up with this idea and I don't know how this is going to work I may halfway through this realize that this is destroying my body and have to completely scale back to maybe you know one set of each exercise I have no idea what this is going to be like but this is I'm going into it with that idea of my body I'm not going to force myself through a grand experiment I'm excited because I've never done anything to that extreme and the closest experiences that I've had I've seen positive things too the time that I told you about with my buddies that time and then another time I had a whole week where I was in the middle of like I wasn't competing this was before competing days but I was in the middle of like this structure I'm going to get shredded plan and I was getting lean and I had I took a vacation for the first time ever in my 20s I had taken a week off and not left it was like it was all about fitness and so I would go to the gym I'd lift I'd come back home I'd eat rest a little bit go back I'd do that like three times a day every single day for the entire week I saw some of the most gains I've ever seen and I felt amazing because what I was I was literally just thinking like what would be optimal right now okay I'm going to go stretch for a little bit now I had all the time in the world to go in and out of the gym nothing to do for an entire week and I was in but I was only in it like two or three times every day that was more than I'd ever done before and I was feeding properly still and doing a lot of other things besides it wasn't just like hammering because that's the mistake I think some people think is okay well let's look at the total volume we're doing and let's do this dude I've never in my life done 21 sets of squats you know what I mean in a day or 21 sets of rows or benches yeah that's crazy or 63 total sets in a workout I can't wait to do that yeah so I don't know what it's going to be like but we'll see what happens check this out we have a bunch of free guides at mindpumpfree.com they're absolutely free some of them talk about how to train your legs some of them talk about how to get your midsection to get flat we have a back pain guide so if your back hurts and you try to figure out what's going on we have a guide for that they're all free all absolutely free at mindpumpfree.com also you can follow us on Instagram and you 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