 Number three, you can get interviews using your product portfolio. By this time, I assume you already build your product portfolio, then you can directly use it in your networking switch. So networking is a key part of landing your product manager interview. So when you send over your networking switch and trying to network with higher managers, you should send over your product portfolio to show that you already have gained product management experience and you're very sincere. You have done extra steps to move forward to the next run of becoming a product manager.