 Well, yeah barely all I yeah, I don't know I couldn't tell you we are alive. Hey, you do hi Oh Okay, well This internet Yeah, oh gotcha Holy Christ, I look like crap Thanks, yeah I Look like a Mack truck hit me. I'm so tired Right, okay New set will be built soon. I swear the desk is supposedly here in a week. It is yeah, yeah in hand delivered Interesting all right, and they will bring it into the room I'm assuming it comes assembled Otherwise, I would need that So hey, why they want to bring it down the stairs and around that corner. Yeah be my guest. Well, I mean it's not that Yeah, yeah, that's not my problem, so then they got taken apart right? Oh boy see here see where I said because I don't have the camera flipped did you do the Straight the audio. Yeah. I'm just seeing how the framing is. Oh, yeah Yeah, well, I didn't flip the the camera else I can't actually see the framing Yeah, so that's why I was waiting for it to catch up on the video. Yeah Anyways, oh man. How you guys doing today per crew? I See here, I'll just I know I always tell myself not to check the chat then I always check the chat You do well we haven't officially started the podcast. So how are you guys doing? Yeah, we got BJ Holloman Birdman here German Hernandez Goofus Maximus nice nice name intro can use some work so Um That you can tell us obviously someone who's never been here before yeah, this isn't an intro no our podcast is never Livestream publicly well except for once per month that once per month is to advertise That you could catch our live streams recorded live if you're a $10 or not back around patreon So when you talk about intro could use some work technically this isn't there's no intro to the podcast There's the intro music and then us. This is the recording of the podcast So all you're really seeing is a live stream of the podcast recording The podcast goes live publicly on Monday fully edited with a proper intro and all this stuff So pretty much you'll notice when it when the tone changes and the actual podcast begins All this stuff is usually completely cut out. This is this is just kind of what you see behind the scenes And even this set this set is not going to be forever a new set is going to be built Probably the first thing I need to just paint the in room Yeah Anyways, because that's good to be here. The lights are supposedly gonna be here at some point this month Only ordered like a month ago and all right anyways So anyways, it's gonna be a really cool looking set, but I gotta get painted All right, that being said Let's get the shindig going on. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a little bit way too long. Oh, yeah I know we will talk about that at the beginning obviously Yeah, that's John Starboarder Hey everyone, welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast episode 106 Holy crud has it been a while. Yeah. All right. I'm your host as always Nathaniel Rumpeljahn join to my left and you're right Bye Eric more and man. Oh, man. I need to apologize Primarily to our patrons more than our other viewers since they are the ones that made this podcast a weekly show and We haven't been weekly for the past two weeks. We bet actually pretty good in 2019 2018 we had some blips here and there but we never really missed two in a row was always just one But I have just not been feeling well Some of you guys already know this You know plus Eric incredibly busy. That's just life But in general, it's mostly my fault that it didn't happen Just too tired and worn out and sick and I had food poisoning for a little bit there that I suffered through and it's just Things weren't lining up. But the nice thing is I'm mostly good now. Although I think today I came down with the cold so Yeah, it's one thing after another but see it's day one of the cold. So it's not that bad Yeah, yeah, but by this time next week. Hopefully it's over but knowing me I mean my daughter's first communion is coming up. So I'm gonna be yeah, right? I'm gonna be just wrecked that day I don't know how to get through it, but This is also a sweet episode to come back on because we are on our road to E3 Eric's been secretly counting down the days for like two months. Just a little bit How many days away are we now? I don't actually know It's less than 30. It is less than 30 technically What are we like at the time of recording the time of recording it is like 30 days away from like June 11th, but We're not leaving on June 11 obviously we're the getting the heck out of here We fly out on the 6th to go to E3 because everything really starts with EA play Yes on the weekend and then which we still need to register for yes They actually just put the registration. Okay, perfect. So we're fine the EA play stuff and then Nintendo's Smash Brosn's platoon tournament as well That weekend. So we got to get down there for the weekend Even though we're not planning to attend the Smash and Splatoon tournament because Microsoft is Running their perager press conference on Sunday. So of course there. Well, that's you know, we're doing a plan Saturday Yeah, well, yeah, I figured that I mean it was probably only FIFA anyways for Nintendo Probably like it was last year. Yeah, and we'll just be able to get even better footage Yeah, unless they kick us out We're teamwork. Hey at least look at it this way. We got the footage. We got the footage destroy my phone Yeah, it's automatic make sure I turn automatic cloud back upside. That's what I was thinking That's exactly what I was thinking. Anyways, I really don't care if I get kicked out of EA play. It's okay, right? That being said Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. We fly out in the six our our trip might begin on the fifth kind of in the afternoon Cuz we were probably gonna be at a hotel Cuz I reflect it's like six in the morning or six seven thirty I don't know. I think we fly seven thirty. It's early. So we're just gonna drive over the city spend the night park the car No water thing. Yeah, I gotta wake up early anyways, right, right? But at least we can we don't have to leave a little more sleeping We don't have to do an hour and a half drive We don't have to leave here at like 238. It's not even hour and a half drive There's an hour and a half drive then you got to go to the place to park your car Yeah, they go park your car. See we're already done. Yeah, just wake up grab our stuff Well, probably what we'll probably have to do is well No, we'll probably have to do is that morning will go park the car I'm pretty sure we go part of the car when we go check in maybe I don't know guaranteed because it's all It's a one-package thing. Yeah, so guaranteed parking just shuttle right in the way of the morning. Yeah Anyways, we'll figure it all out. I'm not really that worried about it But man, it's gonna be the earliest we've ever been in LA. Yeah. Yeah, definitely seriously Not right now after the podcast I can See this is the joy you get when you Get to see the when you spend $10 a month. Yeah, you can see my kids occasionally appear. Yeah All right, buddy go. I'll be up there when I'm all done. I'm halfway time to the hand of a switch and say leave me alone Is that good parenting when I'm trying to go to bed is that good parenting just hand them a switch Hey, if it gets a bit of sleep the switch is upstairs sitting on the counter See that. Yeah. Anyways So, yeah, we had to LA Early this year man. Yeah, what like I don't we we did up we did arrive what on Saturday last time I think so. Yeah. Yeah, cuz we I think we arrived on Saturday We had one day of EA play that we could go to but I didn't go because of the press conferences on Sunday Okay, yeah, so we must I think we arrived on Saturday. Yep. Yep, cuz that's it then we got our badges Yeah, so that was took a little bit and then by the time we were all settled We couldn't really do a play that day, right and you know, you know what really sucks is that? Last year there was a press conference We could have gone to the EA press conference this year if there was one. Yeah got the connects But there's not an EA press conference So we don't get to go to it Not that I'm saying this or they want to be there man And I'd probably live-stream it anyways Yeah, who knows if Eric wanted to get the press conference experience in person do whatever like sweet Go get just free swag and sit back and enjoy like like I do walking around EA play. Yeah That's I don't know. I know to be fair. I don't know. I didn't go last year So yeah, they they means free swag. Yeah, yeah, I came back with two posters in the And a couple of copies of a couple of free copies of Madden yeah old the old yeah the old versions of it, but I mean still I mean whatever theoretically it's still something Yeah, yeah sunglasses tote bag. Yeah. Yeah, it's a swag fast. Plus did they have things you could buy in there, too? Yeah, yeah, of course they do so anyways Yeah, man, like this is the earliest we've ever left one because I wanted to make sure we both went to EA play this year I got like our full day there to because I know on Sunday the press conference to start and Three I want a day of rest before Like literally every time we've gone. It's hit the ground running right away Yeah, the first year that we went back in 2016 God that was that was rough. That was We arrived on Monday, but it was like Monday. Oh, it was probably on Tuesday by the time we actually got in like 1 a.m. Yeah, yeah and Literally Tuesday is what when E3 begins like and we had hardly any sleep and just slammed it for like three days and got the hell out Yeah, and granted. That's the cheapest way to do it. Yeah, but it's also it killed me So we said no not doing it this time. Well, then we forgot about EA play No, I don't know if we I don't know really thought we were forgot about EA play I don't think we ever really thought about you play register for EA play until we got there I don't know. I know but I like I said, I don't know if we actually forgot about EA play It was we didn't know necessarily think about it at all. I don't we didn't even know about it Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So we didn't forget about it. I forgot because I knew Initially, and then I forgot. Oh, I didn't forget because I never knew you're also like well, it's just this Oh, there's that okay. Yeah. Yeah, we Well, cuz I'm so I'm like, oh, we'll get there on the weekend instead of like on Monday, right? We'll give ourselves a day of rest or yeah, that's what I figured And then even Sunday, even if I stream press conferences, it's not that half the day So they have rest goes right in the pool. Go. Oh the pool healing That pool had magical powers man. I'm telling you it did I I have never had my knee pain go away In anything I've ever been in but that damn pool That pool had real massive massive magical powers. I mean besides healing. I Mean I talked to an attractive girl there, too. I mean that that pool had magical powers and Sure put it this way. That's just that you talked to her. She wanted to talk to you. Yeah, that's the man Actually, well, it was more she started the conversation. So that's crazy. She did What I've been telling you all these years you got to find a way to be like me and make the girls come to you Yeah, if you go after them, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I don't see real success of that But I'm coming after me. Yeah, I'm like six for six. Let's go. Yeah Anyways, so you know that aside we will actually have a day of rest because there isn't a press conference on Friday Besides the fact that we get there at like well, we'll have a 11 a.m. At first I still don't count the first day we arrive as a day at rest, right? Because you get still pretty impressed badges or our car our badges car Check into the hotel. Sure. We'll have a little more time. You like we're not gonna be like, oh, we'll get that all done And it's now, you know 5 p.m. 6 p.m. Yeah, it'll be more like three You know by the time we actually can't probably can't check into three So we'll probably to bum around for a little bit after the badge and get some lunch and then check in. Yeah, but either way then we get You know then we're checked in and I'll have everything set up my like 5 p.m. And then we can actually relax. Yeah, right go swim. Yeah, maybe actually watch a movie there instead of just having it Actually get well you got to watch. I ain't get the one. Yeah, I'm gonna watch it dumb and dumb. I'm like, yeah I love dumb and dumb, but I can't watch gotta work. Yeah, but yeah, so it'll be nice and then Friday. Oh Because there's no press conference do that is like my relaxed day Like I'm I don't know if I'm gonna do anything in particular. I know one of the beach Oh, I actually want to go to the beach and actually enjoy it for more than 30 seconds That's gonna be the whole day a half hour hour like and not just because it's someone lost a bet Yeah, yeah, they mean it did the Eric Eric losing special yeah coming up can't do ocean water this time No, I know I gotta figure out another punishment. I don't know what I Guess if you want to throw You have it you have an iron stomach So it's hard for me to think about right right if you want to throw out the punishment ideas, I guess the comments Yeah, he's referencing our betting special. We do a betting special every E3 And he's lost every single one of them But the thing is he's barely losing them like they are coming down to like the last quick This last one this last weekend on the second to the last and then I got and then it didn't matter What happened the last one but still like for it to come down to that it's like every time it's like down to the wire And yeah, I don't know how we're gonna do the betting specialist things I haven't even thought about it yet, but we'll figure it out last time we last year. We had a patron do it Read the questions and yep all stuff. So we'll see what happens. Yeah It'll maybe who knows maybe I'll actually have the patrons come up with all the questions for this time now Yeah, yeah Because then we don't know and I can't like rig it towards stuff that maybe I know that Eric doesn't know or anything Yeah, so we'll see about that. All right, let's get into our actual topics for this first week of our road to E3 We got some juicy ones The first topic oh boy Nintendo has unveiled their plans for E3. I'm surprised surprised. It's pretty much the same as they do every year Wow original June 11th at 9 p.m It's not CT's PT at 9 and 9 a.m. I wrote 9 p.m. I don't know. I know what time you are They are doing a Nintendo Direct and they are calling it a Nintendo Direct It's not a digital holy cow or anything. They're actually just gonna say hey, it's a Nintendo Direct Well, yeah, it's always been a Nintendo Direct. You just can't call that something else E3 digital So the first E3 under Shintaro Furukawa and we are getting a Nintendo Direct at E3 So there you go. No no details on how long it is or anything yet They may not give us any details on that you presume. It's at least a half hour. Maybe 45. We'll see Usually it's the longest Direct of the year last year was like 20 minutes of smash in the 15 minutes of other stuff, but yeah This is gonna be interesting because they they mentioned They say this every year by the way, but it's going to be 2019 titles only now Caveat they say this every year and then they still show off titles for the next year So it doesn't really mean anything So I'll appear don't expect it. They're temporary in your expectations. Yeah, but they do it every year So it literally means nothing it means you are primarily going to see 2019 games And I think that's a given. Yeah, I mean think about Super Mario Maker 2 comes out later that month Yep, you know Marvel Ultimate Alliance. We we've got Ah Geez Luigi's Mansion Animal Crossing. I mean that's just just stopping right there. They need a Pokemon Sword and Shield I mean the list goes on and on and on town for crying out loud. Yeah, it's still slated for 2019 They're still slated for 2019. I haven't seen anything in it, but yeah, maybe E3 playable. It's just Damon X Makina, you know, it's just the list goes on like there's so many games So yeah, we're gonna see all those games I get I bet we'll see them practically all of them if we don't see Animal Crossing then I'll be scared because that'll be a It's probably delayed. Yeah, but We're gonna see everything they have coming this year for sure And then they'll tease probably at least one or two things for next year. That's my guess now That's what's happening at 9 a.m. I will be live streaming it because again We have a gamer passes this year, which means we can't actually get in so we'll basically I stream it We chitchat a little bit after it's done and then Eric and I leave and go get in the line to the public line to get in Or eat and then get in I can't remember what we did last year We have we have kind of plenty of time But I do want to be more towards the front one thing We do have to sign up for and this is something I forgot to put on here Is they they replace the Smash Pass that we can sign up for last year with warp pipe Warp I'm The way they describe warp pipe is Basically the Smash Bros. Where you go and you sign up and you play a game or without like reading in line You have like a set time which as we learned it really isn't a set time It's a time when you can get in line to play and you're in a VIP line Yeah, so basically they cut off everyone else and you get your own things to play on that's what it was the smash Maybe it will be different this year and they'll actually do the set times and you'll actually play at yourself I don't know right But they made it sound like you you'll be able to use the warp pipe has to play multiple games That as me very interested now the fact is called warp pipe. I Think that I think it's track. Well, no, no, no, it's Mario. Yeah, so I think it's I think their theme this year The theme last year was smash the future is gonna be Mario maker, too. Yeah, I just I just have it. It's mario Yeah, is there any other Mario games coming out now that we're aware of okay, so maybe so may be so I knew one And then all I know is it's called the warp I pass and they made it sound like multiple games You'll be able to use of it So that'll be nice what's nice about what was nice about the smash thing is we got smashed on right away. Yeah, we're done So it'll be nice to see what we can skip lines for I'm really hoping that Pokemon Sword and Shield are part of it The only problem is because a lot of times you can't Cop footage of that which I don't care I know No, it's great for reactions and well hands-on impressions for sure and no no There was only let's go. They won't let us get footage who we don't know We don't know about this. Yeah, we don't know what they might let us get footage of sword and shield I don't know and if they don't let's just be honest There's the way that everything is displayed you can see you can see getting footage You stand 30 feet back and you have to get well if I can get my camera in I could definitely stand 30 feet back And yeah, and get really good footage. Yeah, I just pretend I'll just have all I do especially if I get the try The side a little bit Hey, you just act like you're talking into this fake mic Yeah, and I'm just gonna actually be doing it and recording right anyways, right? I think it's Nintendo doesn't actually strike anyone for doing it. They just it's weird I don't again the thing to remember about Pokemon though is it's not Nintendo's right? It's the Pokemon company's rules. They don't want people getting footage of it for some reason That's the way they were let's go. I assume they'd be less way with us from who knows I think they're gonna have more demos this time around so they might not be as restrictive this time Yeah, we'll see I we don't know we're not there, but yeah, whatever you guys saw I got like a minute or so footage up anyways before they yelled at me, so Yeah, I'm not really too worried about it besides you just have to kind of oh, I'm just getting the whole I'm just getting the whole Stop for a second and then keep going and come back Together Anyways, there's some trickery you could do to get around some of the restrictions and some reason they don't get mad at you for it So We'll see what happens. Well thing is with a media pass I don't I don't who knows because then you get in Before everyone the first two days and then maybe their rules are a little different for just media But we don't know because we haven't had media pass since they started putting the restrictions on put Well, we never we're at E3 with a Pokemon our first E3 was Zelda only so yes All right, so That is is it interesting thing On the eighth and ninth we mentioned before they have the Splatoon 2 and Super Smash Bros. tournaments their conclusion of the tournaments They've been running kind of all year So teams from I think it's the US or I should say North America to and then Europe I'm I'm forgetting in some Australia and There was a combination of two other countries France and something. I don't know anyways That that that's happening and that's gonna be really fun They were really entertaining last year. I remember I didn't lie didn't live stream on the last time who knows Maybe the thing is I won't be streaming anything on the Saturday guaranteed Gruduny a play priority is For us is games that you guys can't play that we can go hands-on with hands-on impressions and footage Yeah, the most important part of this entire trip in my opinion because you guys can watch the light the same Livestream that I could be reacting to at home. You can't play the game. So I want that that's our focus. So So it's sure it seemed well, maybe on Sunday if things fit between press conferences or before press conferences Maybe I'll stream react if I'm just chilling at the hotel all day, which I did last Sunday So I'll probably end up doing it doing again this Sunday. I mean basically I spend a lot of time at the hotel Because I'm always editing and doing stuff But that's what so that's been earlier. I get out of the hotel. Yeah Yeah, and enjoy some of LA. I mean you'll get you'll get out of the hotel on Saturday. No Hollywood sign tours Yeah, no, no, not worth it. Not worth it. I don't even care about seeing it. Anyway, I see my distance. I'm good Yeah, but you probably still see Yeah, yeah, you don't get very close to it. It's it's obnoxiously. All right But now besides that they're gonna have the Nintendo 3 else live of course all three days again same thing every single year What is cool is they did say Nintendo switch software only so 3ds you are finally dead Well, maybe I'm no it is they officially announced a little last financial meeting that they have zero new titles in the works for 3ds Holy cow wait. Oh, I suppose because of the new that's them. They said they'll be new third-party title So it means if Nintendo's done it's done. So they are done switch minis coming out then well They did also know it would be software only shown So I think they're trying to squash any expectation of hardware again. Can you believe it? No, no one knows. Yeah, but if you take Nintendo's word no switch pro no switch mini none of it No new hardware revisions being shown. That's what they're saying. So that's what we got to go with. Yeah So it doesn't mean they can't show up before E3 because then it wouldn't be a new showing of it They could just have it at E3 but not talk about it since they already showed it Or they show it later or they cannot have it at all and they can have no revisions coming But they the fact that they say software only let's you know that wait a sec Why would you have to know it software only if there isn't new hardware? So Nintendo's kind of like, oh, hey, I mean Hint hint like hey, we have something to talk about We have a little morsel to talk about we you know what now That's why we do that. We're too buddy buddy relax box. They're having their hardware stuff Let them dominate. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, they're gonna dominate with the hardware stuff and the hype and we're just gonna bring the games We're just gonna game you up We're gonna hit you and beat you over the head with games and shove them so far up your ear end that they're coming out You're a suffagus. Yeah, I around your ears. I don't know whatever whatever holes are higher up I guess in your body. So sure What come out your eyes come out your eyes. Um, why not? So, yeah, that's that's their schedule. That's what's happening with Nintendo now as always to note to people That's just Nintendo There are a whole bunch of other press conferences happening that could have games that are gonna be on switch Guaranteed Just Dance is gonna be on switch again And they'll they'll have a thing like that through we saw press conferences always I'm wondering if they're gonna have another stage it could be, you know Bethesda planning the show of doom We know that and that's good. We know that's coming to switch So there's a lot of other stuff to pay attention to at E3 and we'll be talking about that as we continue down our road But it's only appropriate that the first week on our road to E3 we just mentioned the Nintendo stuff Yeah, and that's really all we're gonna do is mention Just go over the schedule and kind of move on because In future weeks, we'll be talking about more specifics expectations Predictions Weeks that happen end up happening because you know, that's just what that generally just tends to what happens But there is one thing we're gonna talk about one game that We're pretty certain is gonna be there, especially now Because our second topic. What is it about Eric? Oh, that would be Marvel Ultimate Alliance three first previews out Yes, the black order. I think it was game spot or game informer. I can't remember. It was a game informer Yeah, okay, they got they got they got to be basically the debut of actual gameplay We got what seven minutes of real gameplay and Throughout it they're just explaining how the game works and Eric. I'm Eric's face. Well, that's how these Got to be a little they're just explaining how the game works, you know, it's just because you know, it's a third one But the second one was a long time ago. Yeah, I know I know And this is which exclusive, you know, many people have never played it probably a lot Yeah, I know but it was no your audience. I Get that I mean I understood what they were doing but at the same point I was like is there like it can do it you can do this. I'm like so Marvel Ultimate Alliance Okay. All right, so I'm gonna let you kind of leave this topic because you've actually played the games and I've never had So how did the gameplay look in this gameplay looked? Almost identical the old stuff. Um, if you haven't seen it, I definitely recommend it go back play the old stuff Ultimate Alliance Ultimate Alliance 2 Ultimate Alliance 2 isn't in my opinion isn't quite as good as one. It's not just your opinion. It literally has like a 50 rating Yeah, it's not it's not terrible. They took out a lot of the RPG elements that made One fantastic. Okay. What kind of RPG elements are we talking? Basically, you know, you could choose your different moves and you can level up those moves and you know power ups and everything like that Okay And then they cut down massively on the list of stuff that you can get and it actually kind of sounds like well It sounds like each character has four abilities which Which I guess is because there's four button for face button, right? I guess I get it but there was a list of like a good I don't know how many it was that that was sounds like that is something they kept from two is A little bit more limited abilities like you only have the four each character as the four But they did say other things to the like there's some that there was like talent trees and stuff Where you could gain different types of weapons that might not change your abilities right if your attacks, right? Yep, but that was that's what been part of the other things as well. Oh that too. Yep as well jewelry stuff like that just been trinkets trophies stuff like that That gave you different power-ups to certain Certain characters certain certain not necessarily certain characters. Sorry. Um certain like abilities certain traits of your character And how that works in flow and you know, you find your best The fit of your trinkets for each character and and try to build it up that way as well So yeah, I mean that's it's a normal gameplay for Ultimate Alliance Gameplay looks like a multiple Ultimate Alliance gameplay Which is a very notable too by the way because this is made by completely different studio Yeah, it's got the same feel a different studio To even get that feel I think is important when it's completely different team or the one the one thing I did hear them say that I was kind of disappointed in is you can't grab and throw enemies anymore That was always fun to just go grab a whole lot of I was wondering if they're all off the edge I was wondering what gameplay differences. I bet you there's probably other middle-of-my-new things like that because this is being made by team ninja and That like they've never made a game like this like in this style before And as I'm watch I was watching the gameplay and and I kept thinking you know what this reminds me of a lot kind of see warriors It literally like you switch between characters. You can have like I think it's at three or four at once for it once Yeah, whatever it is. It's four total. You're one of them. Yeah, so you have three three others Whether it's friends or and you could do that I care and you could do that in the warrior games you can switch between different characters And they're always super powerful compared to the enemies And so I'm watching like this just feels like a warriors game. It can is so is In a way, how okay? How does it differ because the way that people look at warrior games hack-and-slash? basically really easy There's hardly any challenge and every level basically feels the same a lot of the times in warrior games Yeah, no, that's where this kind of differs a little bit The levels don't feel the same. It is a lot of hack-and-slash There are parts that can be hard, but depends on how leveled your characters at and where you're at in the game it Some things can be super easy some things can be Relative not hard per se, but not like, you know, oh my god I'm just walking through these like Well, that's why they were doing that in the trip or in their footage Look if they were just destroying right and that might then that was a lot But a lot of that a lot of their gameplay was early Well, yeah, that that is notable because they're the sounds like they're gonna have like a whole preview leading all the way up D3 It's not like next week. No, they were all it was character profiles character profile. Yeah next week But that's just next week. What are the ones I don't know. I don't know like no, it wasn't just next week It was like a think they said 12 or 14. Well, yeah, it's already characters. Yeah, they're allowed to show Yeah, because well for those of you know, they probably have a review copy of the game Or something and got rights to have the first preview kind of like IGN first like they got the rights for the first preview And so they're allowed to show certain things along the way Like they were allowed to show gameplay up to a certain point and talk about how the game works And on the next week, they'll be allowed to do character profiles And after that they'll be allowed to show me a little bit more after that You know, it just kind of goes on and on until they hit E3 and they just blow you out So that's and and I don't mind them doing it for something like this I think a lot of people would think you know when these kind of previews come out this early And you know, there's gonna be a lot of E3 about it people worry that oh no There's gonna be too much information out there, but I think in a game like this I mean, what do we learn? We learned the base premise for the story. Yep, which surprise It's based around the infinity's infinity stones. Who knew an MCU universe game built around the black order and and the infinity stones Man, I couldn't have told you that one the game the black order is literally in the title of it Yeah, and the infinity stones are like some of the biggest things in all of that's happening right now Yeah, I like yeah, that's not really a surprise. None of the characters are really that surprising I like I remember when they initially showed it off. So I said wait, Wolverine. I'm like, yeah That's actually their X-Men are all Marvel universe. Yeah, it's just been in cinema It's just been owned by different companies. So like they couldn't they can't exist together Technically they will be able to soon. Yeah Since Disney bought out the company right bought out the company right Hey There's some what bud Why is your sheet wet shouldn't you just be in your room right now? Yes, please go to your room Won't grab my switch. It's right there Next to my keyboard. I'll be up there in like a half hour. I Don't know If it isn't it isn't you play with whatever battery life that's got left The turn on you're hitting the wrong side. Oh, well My the charger is in mom and dad's room plugged into the wall on my side You'll see it. It's the only thing plugged in on my side. It's like what I It's it's no, I don't have a desk upstairs It you figure it out if you want to play Oh Kids the life of a great right. Thanks, Yulia for leaving. I love you. Yeah Anyways, okay, she happens to be watching Tomorrow's gonna be not good. Yeah all right So one thing I did want to ask is how what's the character selection look like compared to what you played? There's a handful of you were talking about Wolverine and yeah, he Wolverine's been in all of them all of them there's a handful of It's a spattered around thing they had generally have groups which again is in this game as well So like the Avengers the first Avengers the there's a spider-man group there's a Women of the MCU apparently in this one that one's new I think from my I don't remember that one in that one in the old ones, but But as for character selection, I mean Obviously all of your your Avengers cap Thor Hulk Iron Man have been in all of them. Yeah okay, I wanted to I was asking about that because The Avengers is weird because Once that I didn't actually see though, we're the Fantastic Four Yeah, well, I didn't see any of those So I almost feel like this is building heavily like that has a series always kind of like Built heavily off of the cinematic universe a bit Because the big thing to remember is before Iron Man came out the movie He wasn't like a huge character Marvel right nor was Captain America like these are known known properties But these weren't the popular characters at Marvel. No, well the first spider-man was always like the biggest the first one If I remember right there was a ton of Norse stuff, so Thor And then they went into Like Neptune and So a lot of Norse stuff that was that was like the first one so That's kind of that that storyline that that one Second one. I don't remember a whole lot of the story because they was the story down quite a bit Yeah, so it was you know this story I I don't know it could be good I it looks it looks okay Well, here's the thing like like the story, you know is based on the affinity stones, which we just got Wrapped up in right universe It's you know them being spread all over the universe and trying to get them before the bad guys again exactly pretty much like what happened in the recent MCU stuff and Then it's got all of like everything they've shown is basically Main stays from the right like it starts off with Guardians of the Galaxy Which I'm not going to spoil anything end game But if you've seen end game, you'll know that why that's interesting that it starts with the Guardians of the Galaxy And Then you know going to the Avengers which again became big with the I think is I know these characters have always been big long before there was a cinematic universe But right some of these characters that like headline these games I'm kind of like but these weren't the big characters before right starting them. Um, so if I remember kind of Timeline wise. I think the first one actually came out Before a lot of the movies I think well the only movie that might have been out back then Right and then the second one or the first one wasn't really based a whole lot on like the movies And I think the second one was based a lot more on What makes a lot of sense? I think some people feel here's a question for you Do you think it was a mistake for Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 not to release in the same month as end game? I Lot of people yeah Like right after that movie some people like oh, what's next? Oh, hey, there's a new game Yeah, it could have been a run along right alongside of it It that might have been a game when it's ready. It's right, right, but it's a lot of people that felt that I taught you Anyway, I thought maybe this was a lost opportunity for the game I can see how that I could especially exclusive and never been on Nintendo. So like right no I could definitely see how that could be a missed opportunity I think the game is hopefully gonna be good enough and it's still I don't know Do we have a release date for it? I don't remember off the top of my head. I know it's the summer. Okay, so maybe maybe we're still gonna be writing the tail end of the of the end game hype So maybe that's kind of How that they're planning that so well, it's not just the the one thing to remember the end game event game hype No, the one thing to remember is the end of phase three For the Marvel Cinematic Universe isn't technically end game. It's spider-man. Yeah, spider-man far from home So it could release around there. Yeah, it comes out July 19 Okay, so that that is that is very close to spider-man. So right I technically has a chance to build off of the spider-man Yeah, the the quote-a-quote real ending of phase three even though a game was kind of the ending of Everything that I've been built up to that point with the affinity stones This is obviously I think this is a this is the end that's gonna help set up the future. That's what I think is happening Because there is still phase four in Guys the Marvel Cinematic Universe isn't done Okay. Yeah, like end game wasn't the end of the end of that round the end of the the affinity stones Maybe I don't know if we'll be in them forever. Yeah, and I'm trying to think back to the comics I don't think that even it seems we're ever gone forever. Even when they were destroyed, but Yeah, well, nothing in comics is ever gone forever. So anyways It looks Honestly, it looks good. I'm hoping it's it brings back a lot of the flavor from one I'm a little tentative that it's not going to which kind of stings but You know, it's That's kind of what I'm hoping for time out T What the holy cow? I mean I saw it over there. I didn't but I didn't see I didn't see how much Okay Goof is I'm sorry. I'm gonna be cutting this out in the final cut Goof is Maximus I don't know when you when you gave this you gave a $50 super chat, which crazy It says a little something for the E3 travel fund. Thanks for getting a kick out of my screen name One of your screen names hilarious three names amazing. I This is where I hate to hate to let you know that 50 bucks actually won't be able to go towards E3 Because you did a super chat and the super chats. I don't see that money for two months so If you actually wanted to give money towards E3 at all or towards travel funds or or food or whatever You know, you know, I mean we're not really collecting money for you three anymore But if you want to send like do any sort of thing that you would like us to have the money now or whenever Donation link which I know unfortunately on this live stream is not actually in the description Because this isn't a normal live stream. This is just a bonus for us to advertise the fact that we have a patreon And you can get this kind of stuff every week So I don't blame you for use the super chat because there's no link in the description But if someone wants to wants to maybe toss the link in the chat, I'll approve your thing To our normal thing if anyone wants to do that But yeah, I also don't normally read chat, but as soon as I brought it to the stream and saw a $50 super chat I'm like, wait, what were we fully? Are we fully fully live? Yes. Oh, okay. I didn't realize we were But you know what either way? Here's the thing. I do appreciate the yeah, $50. Yeah. Yeah, that's huge man Thank you so much. That's actually the most money I've made in any day of this month. So Thanks. Yeah. All right Um Yeah, so it hoping for the best Preparing for the worst You know, it's it's it's one of those things that you just can't get you want to get overhyped for But you probably shouldn't Looks first first impressions looks good So, yeah, I think that's kind of where I met with that. Okay What did you think on it? I mean, yes, I know you said you felt a little bit Dynasty Warriors is right. I'm okay with it feeling that way because I enjoyed like Hyrule Warriors and Fire Emblem Warriors So I'm not like a big Dynasty Warriors fan, but any like universe of characters I enjoy and I love Marvel So I'll definitely give it a shot and try it out and we'll see where it goes from there I think it's gonna be a lot of fun What I thought was interesting is they said the best because you could play like couch multiplayer with it But they said the best way to play is for everyone to have their own switch and their own copy of the game Which obviously gets expensive local because local wireless play you could have four people playing together and we all have your own screen Which is amazing. Yeah. Oh, if you have if you have enough people to do that more friends Like we'll probably I don't know if you're gonna have it. I'm gonna buy them. So yeah, I'm gonna buy Okay, so so we'll be able to do that and test that who knows maybe that'll be a game We end up reviewing that month. Yeah reviewing and then I could test out a single player plus Yeah, I'm playing with some of it locally and then doing it also to the wider this play but it's gonna be interesting and I I honestly Every time I watch it. It's just like okay like this feels like MCU this feels like MCU and I love MCU So I'm in it. I know I was curious just because I know you haven't actually played in no I have not played any of the prior ones And I think the way they have this setup is it's almost like they know that a lot of people playing this I might have never played the prior ones. So the story feels like you probably didn't need to play the prior ones No, no, I the second one didn't tie into the story of the first one I don't if I don't if I remember correctly. I didn't tie in at all if I had a story at all Yeah, I remember I remember it not being very much as good as the first let's just hope that this is good The first one story was Nominal and you learned quite a bit about the MCU. Yeah, well, well after that I have hopes that sounds like They kept some of the maybe I don't want to call it dumb down But maybe casualized to make it more accessible. I I don't know. I didn't play the prior ones But well, I honestly until we play it and go hands-on It's hard to really pass any sort of verdict based on seven minutes of gameplay with other people trying to tell So it works right so it'll be a it'll be very interesting And obviously, you know that that is one one game impression video that Eric's definitely gonna have to get it in on after e3 for impressions because he is I Way more of a veteran for this franchise than I am so in fact, I'm not a veteran at all It'll be interesting you get the perspective of someone who's never played versus someone who has a lot and it normally It's the opposite way around Eric's basically gonna be leading it because he knows everything and I know nothing for more I can remember any well, you know way more than nothing. Yeah, all right. Um, next topic is actually interesting It kind of sounds like the ESA is in trouble for those who don't know the ESA is the group that runs E3 They also run the ESRB so the ratings board Those are the two big things they're known for but they're basically the the electronic software association handles Trying to represent video game companies and gamers in general In the court system and the legal system and do a lot of lobbying and blah blah blah blah blah You know try not to get video games banned because they're violent violence Oh, so that was kind of like the big thing back in the 90s and early 2000s But that's less of a concern these days obviously, but there's other starting to come back No, the concerns now seem to be wrong gambling and loot boxes. That's the big Right, but I mean there is still the the violent video games make Violent people claims there are still those but enough scientific research has come out that I don't think it's gonna happen Other places right have actually like put restrictions in place Yeah, the US has been kind of we're good, which I mean come on. You've seen the movies that they're like come on We're like literally yeah, I'm pumped for the next game of Thrones episode. That's gonna have as Way more way more violence than any video game right played. So that being said I'm They have a lot of stuff going on. There was an article put up by Variety and Variety did a lot of research on this thing as them in gathering this information for quite some time before them with the publication Which by the way is the best type of investigative journalism in my opinion Gather your sources and make sure you know what you're talking about so I'm gonna In the final version of this of this packets what a link to it done in the description for you to check out the full article But I'm just I just got some bullet points things to go here So through a whole bunch of internal polling that they discovered at the ESA They the ESA is well aware that there is a lack of public trust in video games And I think we've always known that I think big-name media sometimes has a lot to say with that because they don't portray Gaming very well even today. Yeah, unless it's something to be fair. Nintendo often gets portrayed pretty well But a lot of a lot of the gaming world is not portrayed that way like even even as fortnight's become a sensation There's also like all these stories about fortnight addiction and so like well. Yeah, people get addicted to everything. Yeah, right So anyways And then it says a E3 actually makes up About half of all of the revenue that ESA makes for the whole year 48% what's interesting too is we found out that the ESA The ESA files as a nonprofit, I didn't know that a Lot of companies files nonprofits by the way, so this probably isn't shocking because I guess they're us Oh, I guess you there's a public service company since they're representing gamers and game companies But whatever, you know, I always find it weird when a company calls itself nonprofit when they make money To be a nonprofit need I mean, I know the idea is you reinvest all your money back I get that but like even for profit companies do that so they don't have to pay as many taxes They don't reinvest all of it. They take the profit out of it nonprofits are supposed to reinvest Everything that comes out any Profits you're supposed to go back into the company, but a lot of American companies Donald Trump You spend all the money that you make in profits now sometimes just an increase in your own salary Yeah, so you're all right. It's actually really smart business to be fair And I don't blame anyone for doing it because that's the way the American economy set up Anyways, that's not even there. I don't really know the ins and outs of their nonprofit stature but what's interesting is There actually been internal conversations about splitting E3 away from the ESA Who'd run it? Well, I assume what would happen is the ESA wouldn't split in half and then there's be the because it makes up almost half the revenue So yeah, half the company would just be we just focus on E3. Yeah, and the other half words about everything else Which I don't know how that works in in standing up for companies And all the legal fights because obviously when most your money come But they obviously have other revenue because 52% comes from somewhere else, right, right? So and E3 I'm sure is hell of expensive for them. Yes I know that all the companies pay in and the gamer path. I get it. They make money off it That's the point 48% of the revenue But I mean for how expensive you think it is for them to host it Oh, yeah, they're making bank and then to turn around and make 48% of their revenue off of that Yeah, they're making the bank one three-day period in June Yeah, that is nuts. Well, I'm you know, there's other things that anyways, but yeah So But to get into the the troubling part right so we talked about, you know, yeah E3 there's almost split enough. Is that really a troubling thing? Probably not Because they still have 52% of other revenue and they you know, whatever they obviously probably don't need the E3 revenue necessarily now This is where things start to get a little sticky half of the executives of the company have left or were fired over the past six months The former president Mike Gallagher He left and or it was like forced to leave Seemingly because of his political stances He is very right-leaning it supposedly apparently a staunch Republican I don't like how variety frame things about him just because I love it. I hate politics and you know, yeah So yeah, he's very right-leaning and he had a sealed copy of a Trump video game in his office And like apparently employees felt intimidated by that for some reason and it's like yeah, he supported Trump Okay, like he's a Republican. What do you expect? So you're right so like I try to like not care about this stuff, but it is important because a vast majority of the video game industry is left-leaning So he was running the company that represents all these companies legally when he doesn't agree with those companies So that was always a big problem with the ESA and the rest of the industry is clashing in what they want politically Versus what he wants politically because this matters because the ESA lobbies politically, right? So what happened is there was a lot of bills, I guess during the Obama era and this is what led to him being forced to resign that would have benefited a bunch of video game companies But he didn't really show push for it and he wanted to push for not that he did not that he didn't show support for He just didn't push for it. I think as much as what he should be in lobby, right? He didn't do what he was supposed to do so then and then when policies came in that he felt would have been beneficial to the gaming industry that The other gaming companies didn't want he started lobbying for that And then that's when he was starting to get asked this again. That was after Trump became president. So right Again, it gets a little political there and I and I we're never gonna know the ins and outs We're just hearing one side of the story, right, but it is obviously something I've known for a long time I know the video game industry gamers in general tend to be really left-leaning. I know this that doesn't mean there's not Republican gamers Right, like of course there are obviously the point is that there was a clashing of Ideals with a company that's supposed to represent gaming companies that felt like they weren't properly represented So that's what led to that and probably is led to all these staff turnover But the problem seems to be and this is why we're talking about it is They're still talking what you three splitting off because the big thing is in spite of all the money they make from E3 They are consciously aware based on varieties inside sources Like the employees that a whole bunch of employees at ESA know that E3 is actually failing It's not a family making money, but it's relevancy E3 was the the trade show, right? And it still is considered the trade show Probably more by name than anything else. Maybe it's more by reputation. Yeah, because think about Sony's pulled out You know you think they ever first off Sony ever pulling out and that doesn't mean Sony won't come right But still Sony's not there Sony thinks it could do better on its own Microsoft is still there Microsoft is in its own space there, but but you don't have to pay the partner with the ESA So they're still making money off a granted last because Microsoft's using their own space, right? Yeah, they Microsoft still wants to be associated with it. We need to get to that part of it, too sure So there's a lot to So there's a lot of things with that and I guess the general feeling is they need to split E3 away from the ESA So they could try to figure out how to fix E3 because apparently all the ideas they have internally right now None of them have worked, you know, they've tried the they tried letting the public in And while that's making them a lot of money It's actually kind of pissed off a lot of what's pissed off the media although I think it's gotten better now that the hours that media get early Extended the hours that media got early access for yeah It'll be like an hour now you get like two out of three hours the first day two hours So you get five hours before any public people are running you can get probably all everything you need to be doing a chunk of it Well, it's just media like they don't even let in the industry people like people have industry passes They don't even get in they get in with the public So literally media is given five unfettered hours of we know you're in here just to cover this stuff So you're going to get good coverage, right? And that's why we love to get media passes. Hopefully we'll have those next year. Yeah, so It's it so I think that has I haven't seen too many complaints from the media now ever since they did that last right right Or two years ago. I think I can't remember what year they started was well year We went we had media passes year of was was the first year of public though We had we had medias, but it was the first year of public. Yeah, it was 20 what 2016 Yeah, and then I don't know if they made the change in 2017 or 2018 and the ESA tried other things too Before they ever did this public and they tried having two events So then they try to have in the private media event as always and then they try to separate public event That just bombed out after one thing is no a lot of people felt a lot of people felt like it could have worked Just how they did it was not the right way to do it But the thing is though too is is I can understand how two things won't work because it's really gonna have it's pretty simple They could have though the reason that it failed in my opinion is because it was two separate events during different time frames At different locations, right? They should have just kept this one event extended to five or six days first three days Or media only last two days are public. Yeah, exactly And that's what I was gonna say and that's exactly what I was gonna say was it you know if they didn't how many people are gonna pay Twice to come back and in different, you know and at a different time You're already there. You're set up. You have to pay all of your employees for that You have to pay for the floor space. You have to pay for this pay for that Is it worth it to come back that second time? And I think that might been where they they screwed up if it's already done in and set up Yeah, I think it could have worked. Yeah, so it's I They need to the sort out how to keep themselves at the top and I don't know how they're gonna do it Well, here's one way you just make sure that your your press conferences and anything that you provide for People to show videos and stuff in games off on actually work Taking a shot at you packs With the borderlands trailers, you know, that's not a problem. Yeah, no, I know Yeah, you just don't do that And I felt a little bad for gearbox because they it wasn't their right. It wasn't their fault It wasn't their equipment exactly because the venue but I had running packs that we have the equipment You don't need to worry about it. But the problem is that looks like We're gonna bring our own stuff now. There's a whole country right now, too Right, but that but that I mean that looks really bad on gearbox even though it's not their equipment Yeah, it just makes the one and he had rightfully was mad and should have been mad. Yeah, because But that's that's that's I don't know how they can play it like Yeah, right, they're not rendering the game real time. How can you not play a video? Play your phone in use VLC Yeah, they were using like windows movie player movie player. Yeah LC. Yeah So I guess this kind of goes right into the next topic, which is how would we fix or change e3 if we could I Don't like well first off. What do we think's wrong with you? What why is Sony not there? I why are there complaints every year? I? Don't know if it's necessarily what's wrong with e3 versus All of these other conferences starting to get a little bit bigger They're starting to grow quite a bit more That's my understanding of it, right like packs is packs is starting well packs is big huge bigger than it's ever been right so the growth of those is So you think it's Do you think this is kind of like the way it's going with physical games where you know Maybe games that might be out of business in five years or whatever like it's a kind of this inevitable. There's nothing they can do Not necessarily I because everything else everyone's realizing we can advertise games all year We don't have to just do e3 we do our own digital things like now We a state of play from Sony right Xbox Insider from from Xbox Nintendo Directs, right? I don't I'm not it's gonna say that e3 can't be Saved can't be you know re-brought back to the glory of whatever but part of me is wondering to if it's not a Saturation issue to we're getting oversaturated by okay. This game showed there You know this trade show this trade show now. We have this trade show this trade show You know, there's more of them popping up and starting to grow a little bit. Are we getting oversaturated with I don't I mean, I don't think so because Like like what trade shows can you even think of right now? Oh, I mean besides the other packs is but There's three packs. Okay, whatever three East West itself. Okay, I don't know why there's not a Midwest one Come on bring one of them. Well Minneapolis. Come on. Well, it's Chicago. Come on So I know but here's the thing all the packs are are pretty close to the same like when you see all the demos at it They're like the demos are ready three So they're still getting like secondary trick or that doesn't mean there's not doing else. It's all borderlands Right. Yes, that happens, but that's not a norm right now and after what happened, right? It might not be coming over right right, and I'm just kind of throwing ideas out here What might be not necessarily? I don't know how to necessarily fix it, but what what is causing this to quote-unquote fail Slash Diminish as an example Nintendo didn't unveil switch at E3 first time they never they didn't unveil the hardware at E3. Yeah Xbox one and PlayStation 4 were shown off before E3. They had their own separate media events PlayStation 5 is likely to not even like it might get unveiled this year and E3 wasn't even part of any of it Now it does appear Microsoft's going to use E3 for it, but that's because nobody else is so why not I think that this move they view it as well if no one else is going to do We're literally competing with no one and we have great millions of people watching right exactly. Yeah, that's do it business Move. Um, so while Microsoft is going to be going the more traditional route Did they didn't in the past with Xbox one and I wonder if That has a lot to do with it because I think yeah a big thing what E3 is the games game games But there was always you never doing that hardware reveal was coming, right? You knew surprise over now. It's like well now it could happen anytime. Mm-hmm Any direct could it could be it any any state of play any, you know, PlayStation experience any place experience each year I either get you have the game awards, you know, yeah, I mean, I don't know that hardware I mean a god if a hardware gets unveiled the game or that would be wild That right that would Jeff Keely you are killing it if you Right, holy cruddy. You can right if you give you right to switch pro show of what? Yeah, wait, what yeah the game or yeah Why not okay, Jeff Keely? Yeah, like Reggie's Reggie's not even a Nintendo anymore So don't matter how much you talk him. That's not how you made it work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I I just Here's the thing here in general. I think the issue with E3 is more perception than reality I think there is a perceived notion that E3 is less than what it is because of the press conferences You know Nintendo doesn't do traditional press conference. They do a digital conference Sony isn't going to be there at all in any in any fashion EA is not doing a press conference this year. They're just doing their EA play thing and whatever so I Think there's a perception issue more so than a reality issue because attendance seems to be doing just fine Yeah Well, you say yeah, but like we're just talking about when we're there like they actually look at the final like the actual numbers Are they different or thinking or going up or like they're actually kind of stable So the attendance is fine. The halls are actually more full now than they were back in 2016 Yeah Granite lot of it's just some people selling stuff. I don't know how much I think that's still better than empty I don't know how much it's gonna be filled up this year with with Sony being gone because Sony was Needless little floor plans man. The floor plan should be out here about a week. Okay, so that'd be nice to see I'm very curious. I'm hoping Nintendo bought the extra. I think Nintendo's got enough games. They could use the space Oh god, and I mean or at least half the space like literally. No, just Nintendo you need a bigger buy that whole haul just make half just make the Sony booth the Pokemon stuff and you'll be good Yeah, anyways, yeah, I'm just telling you with how long bad the lines were last year I mean three hour wait you had eight. Oh, it was four and a half. It was four and a half for me Yeah, I don't know what it was. You were there. You were there before me. I waited twice I know I don't really have to go back. That's like an entire time. Watch the vlogs. I have my timer in there So I think the problem with E3 is more perception than reality and this is This is my 33 attendee There I think what people forget is E3 is a trade show It is not press conferences Press conferences have always been a big deal. The ESA has welcomed them It's helped hype up the event and I think that's why people put so much of value on E3 is because You knew Nintendo even now Nintendo's doing it right. You know Microsoft said a press card I know Bethesda, you know Square Enix, you know Ubisoft like they're all still doing it. So that's all still a big deal but That's not E3 Right. Those are press conferences, right E3 itself E3 itself is a three day event Where media and gamers that pay get access to actually play Hundreds of games that are not out yet, right? That is what this show is. That's what it's been It's what it's always been. So for me looking on I get being disappointed and let down at the press conference level But the trade show level seems just as strong as ever. Just know sony this year. That'll be the only weird thing Yeah, but again, again, that doesn't mean sony's never going to come back Uh, it's just you know, they're going to try something new and see what happens And if it doesn't work as well as being already three, they'll be back in the three next year Yeah, uh, and I think a lot of it is because I don't think sony has a lot of games coming out this year And they know it, right? I think they know I think they're Nintendo in 2016 where they know the next hardware is coming They don't have a lot of games coming and so Nintendo decided instead of leaving We'll just hide people up for breath of the wild or is there like well, we're not gonna like it's high people up for You know Death stranding or or or something for the 20 billionth time It ain't coming to play station five So like they're just gonna wait till they're gonna wait till they're ready Which will probably be by the end of this year or next year. Yeah So honestly, I'm not I don't think e3 has a problem at the level of The trade show itself the trade show. I think the trade show is healthy as hell um It's the press conferences And I don't think you can't force companies to do them And the way nintendo does it with the direct is the most financially Responsible way to do it right no no question for you and what controlled controlled environments are huge right right question for you with in the past before they started doing kind of these their own type of um Press conferences and stuff weren't most of that stuff done kind of in that same area not necessarily At their own studios like they they did it with in like not necessarily within the building The the yake convention center or the aley convention center. Yeah, it wasn't in the aley convention center But like close by like actually Yeah, was it not not done like in a studio At nintendo or was in the theater right? No, they don't I don't think they do All those now at that don't like that same theater at A lot of them aren't going well microsoft doesn't at their theater their own theater obviously But other other people don't have the microsoft one. I can't remember there is a theater that's near E3 near the convention center. I think someone's on that For some reason I remember the nikea theater be theater being used a lot and that's down in hollywood And is and that's my question though. Is is it that a lot of these things are kind of going away from live live press Press conferences because of the I think for esa what they're worried about is just the stature of e3 And they know the stature of e3 is what it is not just because of the trade show the trade show is incredible And we get a whole lot of great stuff, but that hasn't changed Right what's changed with the press conferences and they know that because of that The game announcements and the new game announces like the relevancy seems to be a lot in the announcements And if you don't have the press conferences, you don't have the announcements A lot of it aren't but isn't a lot of these starting to go away from live Press conferences and stuff like that aren't aren't a lot of the companies going away from that Not necessarily Not You know what i'm saying filmed live But edited and filmed like three four or five week early Edited and then shown that way Yeah, like like the nintendo direct right right right, but not really you know no Um microsoft's live will be soft slide like at all all everyone's live. Okay, the only even even um EA who's not doing a live press conference They're doing like a treehouse style thing and they're going to just announce all the things through that So even they're doing live over two days So nintendo is the one doing pre-recorded. There has been one other studio that did one Digital Evolver i think that are pre-recorded one once But they're still they're a smaller one of the major companies nintendo was the only one who did who did it And they're still the only one who did okay the pre-recorded. Okay. I I can never really fully know I don't really know whether it's live or to be fair for some companies. They've kind of got to figure it out Yeah, ubi soft every single year just shows really well at e3. Yeah, especially the last like five years Um, they they always have some new ip that just blows people's minds Um, and they've been killing it with assassin's creed lately And even it's just like it feels like ubi the division And and watch dogs like they've just been kind of killing it So they're they're kind of have a nice flow to their press conferences It seems to be working for them Bethesda has been like the king of the press conferences lately at e3 like they just I don't know why they just seem to always do well. It's always been like the sony Sony microsoft and nintendo ones that always seem to be the most embarrassing while ea To be that's what ea does not do in it this year Yeah, it's just embarrassment to begin with but like like nintendo uh, sony and microsoft have always been kind of like A crapsh not like not even less than a crapshoot at e3 if it was gonna be good or not Like sony's live press conference last year was terrible. I was gonna say didn't they had an intermission a 45 minute intermission Yeah, that's yeah, no, they had they started off with like a 15 minute musical performance Showed you seven minutes or something of the last of us the next last of us and then Boom 45 minute intermission to the point that the people that were trying to entertain you The intermission ran out of things to talk about It can remind you on we're being told it'll be ready soon. Yeah 20 minutes later. Oh, we're still being told It's like well that's because you had to move your whole entire crowd Like it was a terrible thing and then on top of that it was that wasn't bad enough for sony, right? Like I'm not saying they didn't have some games that look cool The ghost of jishima the gas really cool looking stuff But the pacing was off the 45 minute intermission was longer than the totality that they actually showed games And on top of that their live thing that their version of tree house live Like when we were on the show floor and I'm over there like watching it on the exam a huge screen error We would sit down and just kind of watch it and I'm like this isn't very good They're entertainers don't know what they're doing This is not and I'm wondering if that's part of the like decision to pull out a little like they try They try to be like look we're gonna stick with live live press conference But we're also gonna add a tree house aspect and they failed at both And so that's why I think it's like well we invested so much in that and everyone hated it So we just won't do it and that's fine. I'm cool with that They're still gonna do live press cop like psx has a live press conference So they're still gonna have it. There's not a d3. So I think the big thing for ea. They're just word of a cloud It's all cloud right. How long how long has this Uh Idea or thought process of downward trend since the nintendo started doing digital. Okay Um, how many years has that been? Uh last time they did a live one was We you before the we you came out so 2012. Oh, jeez. Okay, so a while it's been five years I was gonna say I was I'm just wondering if it was starting, you know kind of these picking up steam because of the you know Again with not not that microsoft pulled out, but they Kind of pulled out. They separated themselves a little bit. Microsoft's biggest issue with theirs has always been lack of exclusive games um That's been microsoft's biggest bugaboo every single year Is they have a lot of impressive third party games showed off, but there's nothing exclusive, right? And that was why they bought so many studios last year So it's one of those things that they should have a better showing this year just because they have more studios And they'll show some of those games probably teas for the xx box, but um, but yeah, I'm you can't help the image of e3 if microsoft not again Not pulling out but kind of separating themselves out a little bit. I understand the move I do And then sony completely not well microsoft Okay, the original reason that microsoft took their booth and put it in their own building wasn't even a money thing It was space. Mm-hmm. There wasn't space Which is weird because they weren't weren't they in the other the opposite hall of nintendo But they didn't want to be I mean, yeah, but there's going to be here's their viewpoint If you're going to be in the other one to be in the main hall if you're going to be in the other hall, right? Which don't be wrong. There is some cool stuff in the other hall out of the third part A lot of like we saw a lot of the big third parties in the hall perfectly worth going to yeah But if you're microsoft and you're not in the same hall as sony and nintendo What's why why not just have a whole building to yourself? It's pretty much the same walk between the halls as it is to walk to their So like yeah, I mean, it's not But it's shorter to stay in the halls but it's still it's like microsoft said look we want a giant space There's not room in in there to have a third giant space. So we're just we're just going to you know We're just gonna move it to our own place. They still here's the thing though He he I say doesn't seem worried about that like we're making this be like they they don't care They're making money on it, right? Right, so but but but but the but the Aesthetics of it I don't think the aesthetics don't matter. It's close enough to eat like everything kind of run like there's E3 live a hold out like a whole event like they basically For those who don't know everyone thinks e3 is the convention center. It's like a seven block radius Everything e3 adds everywhere. It's not e3 live outdoor things happening And like this isn't even kind of ea play which is in a completely different area Not that's in hollywood. Yeah, like not even not even near so like All like it's crazy. So like the microsoft thing has its own like little district and it's It all fits together So I don't really think yes it cares about that because they already all they just said oh we get to own even more area sweet, let's do it Yeah, but Because that just gives them more air to sell ads and sell this it's like it's fine I don't think you think the esa cares. I think it is They're their primary concern is cern is the relevancy of e3 being The conference right that every gamer feels the basically being gamers christmas I think that's their word because you you talked about how like there's all these other press conferences Or all these other events that the games could come at, you know, all three different packs It's maybe four or some day. This isn't counting if they ever open one in europe Um, I don't know that so I think personally I think packs packs is a huge deal, but it's just us. So, um, they're just like I guess you can call like mini or I just say mini e3 is probably more like Like a comic-con that blew up I think because like packs isn't just video games So that's like the thing about packs is like e3's distinction is we are electronic entertainment video games Like you could be oh, let's try to entertain me. You could argue that did you can argue with movies and comic That's fine. But guess what? It's just video games. So that is there like packs is everything Video game video game video, right? There's other tokyo game show Or is it not tokyo game show tokyo, whatever it's called. They have their thing gamescom Is not huge. Yep. And now they're having press conferences there too So like e3 isn't the only kid on the block anymore Gamecom didn't exist like a decade ago. I don't think Um, and if it did it wasn't much much before that Um, you know the tokyo game game thing's been around for a while tokyo game show has been around for a long while, but Um, you know, that was I guess I never really worried about that because I was kind of like on the other side of the world So it's right. How much effect does it have on you know? It's not a huge deal and there's a lot of japanese-only games and heck Nintendo doesn't even go there You know, they just had meetings. It's weird, right? Nintendo doesn't go. You know, no, no does not attend to a tokyo game show They do they do meetings with companies behind closed doors there, but they do not have boots or Anything like it's really weird, but I don't know why it probably goes back to some dispute at some point, but um Yeah, I honestly think that Here's the thing. I don't think as a person who attends you three that there's anything wrong. No but as The outside looking and there's a lot of you guys out there that have told me that e3 is worse than it's ever been and this and that and I'm just like Maybe i'm tainted because I go now so I honestly because I didn't go 10 years ago. Right. It could have been way more amazing. Yeah I don't know. I know as I go now and I think it's it's overwhelming how how much crazy amazing stuff there is Oh, I know, right Um, it's always it's always fun to go and this is just like One it's cool just to walk around. Oh, yeah, for sure. See what's new and what's different That's true of any major convention, but it is cool just to walk around But like you legit, you know in the past could just bump into reggie randomly walking around You theoretically it has had we haven't had it happen yet, but others have bumped into Miyamoto. We've come this close to Actually getting to go play breath of the wild with reggie We were standing in line and tim schaefer just stopped like like four feet from us The other day I was just talking on the phone and I'm just like Sure went on like you got like e3 is crazy like because here's the thing at other shows like Big developers like I can't walk around the floor They'll get mobbed But at e3 it's like this understanding Even if it's media and gamers that hey, you can say hi. Yeah, but they're here to work right so like Reggie's walking around don't don't feel bad to say hey reggie, but like don't think he's gonna stop for you Right. Don't get offended if he doesn't stop right tim schaefer. He doesn't stop like it's fine Um, so it's it's one of those things that that that to me as someone who attends is something that is uniquely e3 is Everyone's together and everyone's an understanding of what this is And it is a chance to meet youtube celebrities. It is a chance to meet Um, I mean I ran into bop wolf. Yeah bop wolf wolf that baby. Oh Um, so like it is a chance to meet a bunch of people Uh, that you normally want but it's also there's no not gonna be mobbing people like Um, if pewdiepie for example wanted wanted to go or whatever and with our biggest youtuber in the world But even with him there, it would be understood Generally you say hi. I mean we want to say hi. I mean what's up, but like he's there to work Everyone's there to work everyone's there to enjoy games. These people aren't out the show It's cool that you bump into angry joe. Yeah, I was just gonna say The first year we're there we were within five feet of angry joe and you could say hi But like it's understood that like hey, you know, we're all here doing something like they're on the way to something You're on your way to something like say hi, you know, whatever maybe maybe get a hand Maybe exchange some business card, you know, whatever and if he has time to chitchat, maybe he'll chitchat Or if he recognizes you from something you do But it's it's just one of those things where it's kind of understood that like there isn't There isn't that mentality where I've heard in the past like boogie 2988 You know go into like VidCon And like you have to go around back corridors and this and that he can't go out in the middle of the floor It causes chaos. Yeah, but that's not the case at E3 Yeah, I mean you get you could tell if somebody's around because the volume gets a little bit louder Oh, sure and everybody starts clamoring and whispering. Oh my god. Look at it. Look at it. So that's all it is Yeah, but that's all yeah, you're right. Oh, that's all like and I will say one thing they do that's really cool is is You hate it sometimes. Yeah, but yeah, they have the security. They have lots of security And they're just like can you move it? Yep. And that that helps as well. It's kind of like hey, look like hey Say hi, but you guys better keep walking right, you know, you're not gonna stuff up traffic and prevent people from getting the stuff Um, they're a little stickler about some things but whatever like I can't blame them. There's yeah, you know 70,000 people coming in and I mean we were in the line for overcooked two last year and all of a sudden We turn around and there's the 10k and and what has the person that he I can't remember her name Yeah, the person that he does his stuff with It's just like oh, hey, how's it going? And then yeah, I said I was it you or me is that I can't Oh, you well you didn't because I didn't recognize. Yeah, I don't know the way the second You're like like literally right next to me and they're standing there. I'm like, why you're not doing anything I'm waiting or they're both. Hey, we're all waiting. What's up? We're just chatting. I mean I recognize you guys And actually they recognized you two a little bit They they weren't sure at first. They're like Maybe and then then the old nintendo prime That sounds familiar like the nintendo prime sounds familiar But because I had never communicated with them before right, right, right? So it won't be they were aware of you like if we bump into the terminal dave again or like they know us Bob, right. Yeah, of course. They're gonna say I know all these people we talked to them But it's it's just it's a very fun event that way That's why to me when you tell me oh e3's like for me It's always been about the trade show even when I was a gaming fan press conferences are great Get hot get awesome. But like oh, yeah, dude Ever since nintendo started live streaming as just someone sitting at home. I'm like guys E3 christmas is now three straight days. It's not just a 45 minutes on a tuesday Three straight days, right and we still have press conferences to start on sunday So it's like sunday monday Tuesday monday thursday. It's christmas. It is like to me. It's even more exciting In fact, there's so many streams now of so much stuff. Yeah, that like when I was at home Just enjoying e3 I would have my tv back when they used to put it on tv on g4 Well, that's probably another reason why it's going down the hill back on g4 on tv back on g4. Anyways Um, but I'd have their their thing up Uh, then you would then you would have like the ign stream up in the game Yeah stream and i'll twitch and youtube youtube gaming. Yeah, you would have all these different streams up I would have legitimately like 18 different streams running at once of all Because i'm just like, okay, which one's talking about something I care about, right? Yes. Yes. This one's okay This was how about to hit record Like right like and it's still like it's even worse now. Yeah, so it's to me to me it's like I don't think there's anything wrong. I'm still like e3 is amazing. Yeah, but I get it because I think the esa knows That without, you know, what companies basically not revealing hardware anymore. That's a huge loss compared to You always knew the new harbor will always be unveiled. It always always always always. No not now A major major major game may not be announced at e3 though, too Yeah, with with tax popping up heck bait in the through is I mean granny can argue how major that is But bait in a three was announced at at the game awards Borderlands 3 again still not in our step at e3. It you know, that's a big game So there's a there's a lot of things to consider Um, I don't know. I'm actually just what your guys idea. That's exactly what I was thinking Well, actually first off tell me what you guys think is wrong with e3. Yep And then what what you think can be done to fix it because I don't know I I come from the perspective of I'm basically media and I love it and I don't and maybe that's maybe that's the thing Like I I'm biased. I don't like I've been covered in e3 for so long I don't find myself any less excited for it than yeah before and I know I attend now So I guess that's a whole new level of excitement, but it's yeah, I don't know like I I mean guys, do you know how many videos we made off of e3 last year? Actually quite a bit Well, we mean we've logged every day Well, we have the daily vlogs and the gameplay and the hands-on impressions. Those are all guaranteed stuff We're gonna do again. Yep, and like Holy crud there were so many games. Yeah, we didn't even get to them all My fault because of the badge Because we didn't get we didn't get to go into that one part of the Sega booth where they had Valkyrie Chronicles 4 Oh, yeah, so we yeah It's my bad that we did not actually get Game play and hands-on of everything we were that that close We would have if I didn't screw it up We would have got that done and we would have time to go to microsoft, but I Yeah, not this year. Yeah, not this year right bad check before bad check before I leave every check Every every check every check bad check. Yeah Um, anyway, maybe it's one of those things that we just wear our badges coming out of the hotel instead of Just go to the trunk go to sleep. No, I'm not put anything in the car. No, that's well, no No, because when we transport our stuff, we threw everything in the trunk So we never I mean we just assumed that it was in the bag That's why I think when we when we just grabbed our bags. Oh, I I don't I brought everything in back to the hotel. I know but in the morning when we grabbed our bags to walk out the door We were thinking the pass was in the bag. I never put the pass in the bag Well, then that's there's your problem. I want to put the pass in the bag Because you know, you're gonna grab the bag to go out the door So Then you know you have your pass. I didn't forget my pass. I put mine in my bag. I didn't forget my pass I'm just gonna sleep in there you go. Just never take it off. Never take it off. Just go swimming in it Everything in it Now it's the whole time so I can like undo it and then kind of go behind the badge and rebutton it Oh boy On that if that's what's wrong with e3 Wait, wait, do I shave or not shave if I don't shave I can just glue to the hair and then I can lift the hair off Or or oh there. That's the punishment A waxing punishment Oh a chest and it had to be the full check you can't just leave me with one strip What can you I mean with how much it hurts but still I mean come on I don't know. I'll tell you what if I lost and it was a waxing you're doing the whole thing I'm just got the man up Because I let you just rip one strip and just leave it as a big red streak across my chest and I have Oh, come on. That's that's the that's why it's a punishment. It'll still look hilarious. It'll all be on camera Yeah, no fine. You're right. The rest I do for my pleasure You do it once I don't know please do not suggest that Well, you can suggest it doesn't mean that it's gonna happen. This will be the year I lost Yeah, this will be the year I lose, right? Anyways, uh, thank you guys for tuning in to the nintendo prime podcast Uh, be sure to check us out at patreon at patreon.com sessions at our private five dollars per month You get a one day early access to the audio version of the podcast for ten dollars a month You get to watch us record the podcast live For twenty dollars a month. You actually get a chance to be on a podcast episode once per month Otherwise man, you could find it on podvin on itunes on nintendo prime dot net on the google play stuff revamped Well, it's not really revamped fully revamped fully revamped. 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