 So let's go ahead. I'm going to call the meeting to order. It's the More Townsend Upward. It's June 20th, 2022. We're here at School Street at the John Coakham Meeting Room. John Coakham Room. So we're going to start off with general public comments. And then we'll go to Chuck, the C.B. Fire. And we did have friends of the library up next who had declined the meeting tonight. So we have a little extra time. Chuck, yes. I have an unrelated mind. I would just like to call out to today as a federal holiday. And so I would love to see if the select order would consider making sure it's at the town in the future. Very good. Thank you, Chuck. Sasha and I in the state house of the day. Oh yeah, the hands and toes, the duty day. I can't get on the hands. The state hasn't recognized it yet. I can't get on the hands today. So I have to close off just to recognize it. Did we last year give it to the employees? Yeah. So Chuck, last year we recognized that we gave it to the employees for the holiday. It was an oversight this year quite frankly. Sasha and I did talk part of the meeting and we recognized it. But thank you for pointing that out. But I'm going to start with, I think, first Travis, a couple of minutes ahead. Just got some concerns about the select board has made it clear that they contacted the shares department. Well, after myself contacting the shares department in Montpelier, June 7th, talked to Sam Hill. He says Mortown hasn't contacted the shares department for a contractor. Anything hasn't even heard from Mortown for the past eight years since the last contract. Then the next day the chief wasn't in that day on the 7th. On June 8th, I contacted Sheriff Myers and Myers repeatedly said the same thing as Sam Hill did. So what's going on here and where is this $20,000 and how come we've had many citizens within residents within the town of Mortown asking for some kind of police enforcement on these back roads. We had somebody in here, not so long ago, John, I don't remember his last name. He was begging it. He said he even paid or even put a police car up. And Sam Hill made it quite clear that they're looking for work right now, since March anyway. So here we are half way through the year. What's going on? Well, Travis, as you know, or you may not have known, we were working with the state police to have them patrol. And we've waited and they thought they were going to be hired some people. We've talked about certainly the sheriff's department in the past, and we have been working about eight years ago. And quite frankly, we weren't really thrilled with their service, and that's why we declined to go for them any further. And certainly in the spring, we were hearing that local establishments, I think local courts were using the Memorial County. So that certainly pulled us. There was a lack of officers there. We recently have received email from someone in Bradmire's. We're doing on one of the next agendas coming up. We'll see what what has changed there and what they can enforce. Great. Yeah, you said that they can give us partials. Yeah, right. Right. They just recently hired someone they think that they might. But let's see what they can do and what kind of records that they could provide for us when they do do it. Certainly. I have a question on that topic. Your name? Oh, no. No, I understand that. What is your name? My name is Donald Smith. Donald Smith. I guess when they do enforcement, back roads or whatever, does that revenue that they take in from speeding and traffic revolutions, that go towards the bill that is being put into the town? We do get some of that. Yeah. All right. I think it's almost worth hiring them then. Well, again, we have, I think the last time we had a contract was over a two-year period. I think the only issue, one or two tickets equal a couple hundred dollars. Hire those guys again. Yeah. Nice. So, Donald, I think you were the next person that came up with open comment. Sure. My problem, I guess, is with the town maintenance highway department. I was driving on Mourtown Mountain Road and nobody's noticed that they've been doing ditch work there for a year. I come around with the S-turns at the bottom. There was a sign. I mean, no cones or anything. It's just a sign. No road, no flagger, no... The only sign that was there was be prepared to stop. And thank God I wasn't prepared to stop because the person running the case excavator that has not been driven in a couple of days, thank you for taking the person out of it. As I was coming around at approximately three to five miles an hour, I acknowledged his boom was in the ditch doing his work. I acknowledged there was no vehicles on coming up to me. I had plenty of room to go by him. As I was getting ready to go by him, he swung out of the ditch at my vehicle and slammed his bucket down in the only path of travel that I had with no car grill. I had my family in the car, my friend and girlfriend in the car. And the only thing I could do is either slam their brakes on so hard that she smashes the head off the windshield or go to the bank. So, that's why she's not here today. She's at home as you could imagine for almost three days now. So I guess, you know, if you're running a 30,000 pound piece of equipment, for one you should have pliers on that corner. That thing is as simple as that. There should be no take your chances on an embankment or a 30,000 pound machine with your family. I see no reason for what was done or for what he did. I don't know if he's even here today, I couldn't tell you. But I got no phone call from him saying, hey, I'm sorry, I called him immediately. I called the highway department manager, I can't move it. I called him, Marty, you're left. My man. So, and I guess furthermore, I never got a call like, hey, I'm sorry I had a bad day, whatever stuff happens. So not only did you do it, you didn't give a crap about me or my family or my friend or girlfriend or what could have been tailed, you know, with what could have happened to the 30,000 pound. How much does that weigh? I'm guessing 28,000 pounds, that's pretty good guessing. So I just, you know, then I tried to buy the next day, the same guy is on the same machine doing the same job that no human, I don't care who you are, unless you own a machine and you're on your private property, you should have been on that machine. No phone call from me saying, hey, I'm sorry, there was no, not even a stop, a stop on the wrist would have been, hey, call this guy up and say, hey, I'm really sorry that I almost killed your whole family. It won't happen again. I didn't even get back, not even so much as a voicemail or nothing. And then to drive back by the next day and see him on the machine running the equipment again, not happening. So at this point, I don't want to own a machine at all. I don't even run this car, I'm from Murphy. But any person with that kind of demeanor and that kind of attitude running a 28,000 pound machine has no right to be behind that equipment period at all. And that's where I'm going to be right now. So what are your guys'... I'm very sorry and no one, for any of you operating circumstances, should put a boom in front of someone when they're covered up or up. If you're only going to travel, that's right. And no place to go. Thank God you were going three to five miles an hour with the patient would walk. Because there could have been other problems. So I certainly, and as you said, we haven't seen the machine in the last couple of days. I've asked him to come in tonight. He's going to come in later this afternoon or later this evening. I was too late to go on our schedule. I haven't been coming at the end of our meeting today. I'm going to go into an executive session as a board. And we'll ask Martin the real foreman to as well. And I appreciate you coming in and sharing with us. And we will discuss that at that time. You know, we do keep what we do with personnel private. But someone will get back to you and let you know that something's going on. Really appreciate it. All right. Any other board members anything to say? Tom, I just got to ask you to invite people in on the computer. Oh, thank you. So you have something to listen to. I've been asking every meeting for people to make sure you can really see. I can't see anything. All right. So I'm going to the mall. Thank you Travis. So we're all set. Mr. Smith, is there anything else? No. All right. Very good. Be safe. Thank you. Don't forget your helmets. I'll forget that. We're not in New Hampshire. I made a mistake of going to New Hampshire and my wife was crossing Massachusetts state lines unknowingly. And the guy's like, I'm like, what's going on? Maybe he's, you know, he's like, oh, they're Massachusetts. Yeah. He's probably in New Hampshire. They ask Paul if it's as hard as this here to monitor. They say dress for the slide and not the ride. But I think I don't have money for leather. So they're free or die. They're dying or they're free. All right. Thank you. Folks, are you, I guess, the public comment? We are on the agenda there. So. Oh, okay. Very good. And Martin, you're for later. Chuck, why don't we go ahead and have you in seating. I'm going to keep my. I'm probably good, but, you know, better. So yeah, you're not seeing any questions from Sasha. So I presume that, you know, the materials were looked at and digested. And I'm hoping no questions means, you know, it was pretty straightforward. And so I guess at this point, I'd love to ask if the select board would be willing to make a vote or, you know, what's the thoughts of the board? Yeah. All right. So let me just buy it. I have. All right. So again, people heard what Chuck. Let me just meet people here ready. Do you have anything? I mean, you had some comments about city fire. Well, I. I saw there was such a good relation to talent. Mm-hmm. I didn't see the reply. There was a reply. He had a couple things. I was looking to. I guess it was satisfied with it. Well, my only question to you, Chuck, was in regards to that funds. And we talked about this before, you know, from where I said, I think I'd like to see the funds only used on work that's in the town, my way. Yes. And not on private property. Okay. I don't, you know, I don't know if that's something we can do as a town. I feel like. It's a town. So we need to do it working right away. I don't have a problem with that. Yep. It's going up on private property with action. I would suggest that if the town were to decide to subsidize some people on private property to go for low income. Folks who might need the assistance to get access to it. Again, the actual hookups are fairly pricey. If you are set far away from the line, particularly if you have to go underground, I would have to do it my house. And so, you know, folk who might need some assistance on that, that could be a good way to use it if you were, but certainly you can figure out ways to make sure it's within the public right away. If that's what the town prefers. So that's that. So the attorney agreed with the wording of the document. I think it's just fine. But we do have a memorandum of understanding MOU. Okay. To come up with. And so that's the type of stuff that we can put on the MOU right there. Absolutely. Okay. Yep. And so what we'll do tonight, we'll sort of go around with more questions here. But my intent tonight would be that the select board feels we'll be certainly voting on it, but make the commitment this evening. And we'll be knowing that we'll be working on MOU. And this states out a little bit about several of our wishes, but as we go along tonight, there may be other things that we want to add. Correct to that. I think that's on the very reason. I mean, that force. And questions. Okay. Well, I'm just, I think with this is planning on using the aqua funds, is that correct? I mean, that's, that's how we're going to proceed with those funds. Right. This is going to be, this is $50,000 that the town or committee are granting to us. They spent considerable time looking into it. I, at this point, we can certainly question what they've looked at, but I think they've done a big job of looking at where spending and what to do. And they have a survey out for the town. That's right. I was just going to mention that full disclosure. I'm also on the art committee. And so survey is out. We're getting to on porch form regularly. Last I checked, which was two weeks ago, we had 54 responses already in the two weeks since I'm sure we've gotten some more. And I will say that the early data shows people were very favorable for broadband connectivity to be one of the spending points, though it's not the most popular road infrastructure is is more popular. But yeah, no, I think this is COVID. Show us there were plenty of people who are at their homes or trying to do school or whatever and have no service. So I think it's definitely a good use of the fund to support the CB fiber. John. But with what Ray was saying, so what about the lines that currently are not on the right of way? Like ours comes through the woods. So the power line or the hookup from the power lines to your house? The power line comes over from your zone of work, right? Even though you're running around. So yeah, we have power lines along. Yeah, so basically it goes up over the hillside there. And it comes out onto our property. And it continues and goes to homes. So their CB fiber will be funding the full build out along the power grid. The question around where people have to self fund is the hookup from the grid to their residents. And so for that, that's underground for my house. Even though the power lines are above ground, the actual hookup from the power lines to my house is an underground ground. And if it's an underground ground, you have to do an underground drop to the fighters while you can't do an aerial and underground. You have to have it consistent. And so if it's an aerial hookup, it's not very expensive and we anticipate covering that for most people unless it's an especially long distance. But if it's an underground, there's probably going to be some financial responsibility for the residents or business. All right. Do you use taxes like the Washington budget does? That would be me. That's it. All right. So we'll meet these days. So this is, let me read what I'm asking you to, or to commit to tonight. As doing more meeting of June 20th, the town, Moretown Southport committed $50,000 of its funds that have received or will receive through the American Rescue Plant to CB fiber. The communications union district, which Moretown is a municipal member for purposes of constructing a high speed fiber optic communications network that will be available to sort of municipal, commercial and private premises in the town of Moretown. I'm understanding that Moretown valuation of $50,000 will be matched by a $50,000 grant from CB fiber. That's technically for the Vermont Community Bar Bandboard. Vermont Community Bar Bandboard. And that $100,000 thereby approved will be spent in town in Moretown to defray part of the cost of the fiber. And more to come with the NLU as far as getting a little more specific. And the CB fiber will consult with Moretown to determine how best to apply these funds within the town. Is there any questions on that? All right. So moved. Second. All in favor of the $50,000 donation to CB fiber from our friends. All right. So here's our commitments. We will work on the NLU. Excuse me. And we will move forward with it. Thank you very much, everyone. Two quick updates for you to know. Since we last met, we also did secure a $6 million construction grant from the state. So that's going to help. We've put together our final business plan and construction plan. And we'll be releasing some of those details over time. But it looks like the anticipated build out unfortunately is going to be a little later than being stated due to some labor supply shortages that a lot of people are facing these days. It looks like it'll probably be August of next year before more town gets the actual build out. And that's assuming things go well in acquiring supplies. We have already purchased 400 miles of fiber optic cable. And so we'll be using that for the first 400 miles of our build out, which will cover our first two regions. And last but not least, we are conducting a webinar on Wednesday evening. We'll have more details of our planning processes and we encourage everybody in the communities to attend the webinar if you want to learn more. Thank you, Chuck. Any questions for Chuck on the CD file? And you know what, I've been a little... That's going to be posted on the front page while we're at the end. It was posted last week. Yeah, I think so. We were also doing a press release, so it should go out on some of the local newspapers. But yeah, we'll try to post it on the first one again. Thanks, Chuck. All right, we have Mr. Wells in the story coming up next. Let me just check. Thank you, Chuck. See if anyone online had anything public comment. So anyone online, anyone get on for public comments? Dave? Stefan? Denise? Anybody hear you? Part of the sign of thanks. All right. If there's no hands up, we could go ahead and move on. Tracy and George, what should... Before I could try to hold it? I know you had a pad. Let me just pull it right here. A row of permit that we have been holding for a while. So that's what you're reading the chat about? Mostly, yeah. We submitted that we had one, which is fired, and it hit over two months ago. And we had a chance for a kind of lineup to come work on it, and we're kind of just full of questions. Full of questions? All right. We want to know why we haven't done that permit. And we're going to run into kind of this delay every year that we need to improve the row, because it's our understanding that it'll be our efforts that we don't need to work on that row. So we have completely planned our lives around improving this row, and now we can't get the permits to do so. So we're kind of frustrated that it's on us to improve it. We can't get the permits to do so. We want to do work to the row. We have these people lined up, we're allowed to, and we're kind of just stuck in this kind of situation here. Yeah. I did talk to Tracy last week. Yeah. I did talk to her about the situation that the building permit that they received last year was issued an error. And that's why this was taking more time than it normally would, because we were in the process of trying to get to the bottom of how to resolve this error. But despite our building permits, we should still be allowed to improve the row. And grade A and grade B. Wait, wait, excuse me. Travis, Travis, Travis, you are out in the corner. Thank you for your speech. That's all right. I have a little bit of a chance to recognize your civil and your ability. But if somebody wants to talk to me, I'll invite you to say your preference. Thank you. Great. So let me just speak up for you. That is my view on why the maintenance permit got held up, because we wanted to get to the bottom of where we stood, I think, as a town. And I think we're there. And I think it just came in as well. So that gone by only as the head of our DRG board. And I just want to say that, and some of it really is on us, we wanted to get out there, because a lot of concern from other people on network. So we're trying to do more of the maintenance. Ray had a hip replacement. They were kept over in the U of our name, but whatever. And then I got second. I was supposed to be out there, too. So unfortunately, some of that plays into it. We want to work with you. No, I don't anticipate this being an annual problem. We're again, again, the house, forget the code. It's there. It's there. So we're going to work with you guys and work with other people on the road. Make sure we can bring it up to codes. And really what that's what we'd really like to have you do is bring it up to the code that is in the town plan. Okay. Right. I agree. I don't necessarily feel that the whole has to be 20 feet. They might have been in some room for pull-offs or something like that. I think we're looking at 1100 feet of road or something like this. Yep. We're looking for a trail. It doesn't matter to me. And I don't think it matters upon the planning commission, but it's a road of trade. You sit that right about 20 foot corner of our town plan. Or if somebody has another option, and I'm proposing that maybe pull-offs, maybe an option rather than improving the whole world. Yeah. I just know improving 20 feet would be, it would be tough. I just know there's some wetland issues that I don't know if you have to go to the state. Yeah. Prease. Yes. I think there's a lot. A portion of that trail is in a buffer zone. So we would need state permits to do any sort of work on that side. If they went to the other side of the road away from our property, I don't actually know if that's in buffer zone or wetland, but I know a lot of our property is wetlands. You want to ask, you know, Mark, what's your, Mark, what do you pull up as well as your involvement? I have no, no, I mean, I signed up on it once and I, you know, under the impression that it was to help for traffic that was going to meet on the road is what my impression was. So it was kind of a neighborhood decision, if you would, that it was what was wanted. I certainly had no issues with putting some pull out to him to allow traffic to meet on that road. That was my feeling on it at least. Travis, what did you want to say? Do you want to say now is that anything to do with this? Does it have anything to do with this? Yes, it does. A better understanding of what the statute said to residents in the general public in VSA Title 19 301 definition trail means a public roadway that is not a highway in that frequency was designated as a highway on and on. VSA Title 19 says classification of town highways. A trail should not be considered a highway in the town should not be responsible for any meetings, including culverts and bridges. Title 19, 310. All right. So the town plan, you may be in some legal and putting the town taxpayers and people at great risk by upgrading this trip. I don't care if the people or not, but the plan, the town plan, policy B7 prohibits the extension in this extent of town roads, the upgrade of class or roads in legal trails for year round vehicle use in the town takes over private roads, except when such an act would be significant to or broad public benefit. Thank you, Travis. Many, many more in the town and if you, you are really playing with the law on this. George, we can pull him around. Oh, sir. Yeah. All right. If you could speak to me afterwards, George, if you'd like to, I mean, I was wondering what your main concern is with us fixing up our section of the road. Well, first of all, it's not a road. Well, it's not a road. It's not a road. It's not a road. It's not a road. You know, it does matter how much work it does. The statute very strictly destroys how much work. I've been involved with a legal case for this town for the past 12 years. Do you have concern with us spending our money to improve the trail level? I have concerns with upgrading anything to do with this trail is recreational use. And you also would need a permit from A&R or DEC to be able to upgrade that legal trail possible. No, no, you don't. And so thank you, Travis, for your, your droll care today. The drill board was asked by Tom Martin to visit out there. He has not done so yet and he's planning on meeting the 27th part, Martin. Awesome. We'll get it. So, so I think it is a class two wetland out there. So don't forget about it. Oh yeah, we know. Yeah. Ready to do it. And I'm just, I'm not mad at you at all, man. So I just wanted to hear from George. I'm not mad. Okay. Yeah. I was just trying to get to the bottom of your concerns. My concerns are with this town, not buying by the rules regulations and possibly costing the taxpayers more money because you want to live on a legal trip. All this should have been dealt with before you even began to build your foot, Travis. You were so concerned when you got the permit for the house, you should have put in. The permit wasn't posted on the road. Yes, it was. It wasn't posted. Yes, it was. The road. All right. Thank you, Travis. You're welcome. Thank you, Travis. This area is not posted on the class through. Thanks, Travis. We appreciate your, uh, well, if there's any more of it, I'm sure we both. Thank you. Right. I'm just, again, I'm reading from the Warren County, California. It says, our zoning regulations currently allow development on class 4 count rules or legal tricks. But it is curious in the development of more of us to prove the access. And then it goes on with further comments of whether the town should declare class 4 rules or whatever. But, uh, so, my interpretation is that we're the, that we're going to be done on town trails to improve town trails and not be in violation of the current town complaint. That's, that's what I would take. But what that issue is, it's a different issue. But I'm going to talk about that in the future. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty significant, too. But I don't know if we would be able, if what, and you had in mind widening the sections of it, if we could just widen it away from our property in certain sections or just not have a pull-off where the wetland is. Well, it brings up another point, I guess, I don't mean to interrupt too much, but it brings up another point. You know, I'm just asking my town to do a survey of the district. You know, uh, you know, their own survey of the survey of the district. Because we don't know if that center line actually is. Yeah. We really don't. And even Martin said, did he shift all over? Oh, I don't know if you like that, Travis. Well, wrote the center line data sheet. When we read the specs and metadata on it, it very simply says that they don't shift more than a certain distance. So, I'm going to ask you your own question, then. Make sure your point goes. Well, the point is, even though that's the travel way, it may not be the travel way. Point in case, the logic versus town or town. So, yeah, it was because, but frankly, the logic versus town or more town, logic put a garage. No, we didn't accept it. In no way. No, we did not. Yes, there was an existing building there back in 18 something. I even had pictures of it. Right. We did not. Well, that's why we moved the trail for you, Travis. So, the trail was eventually way past my property, that you signed a certificate on for years. For years, Travis, I have the papers here, but that's not what we're here. I'll show you. Tracy, go ahead. Can we regroup? We would just like to hopefully get some answers on what we need to do on our end to this area of drive entrance to where we live. We do have Kingsbury at the property right now. We'd like to get it taken care of. We'd like to get, like, access to our property, get all of our neighbors kind of on board, and get everyone to agree on some sort of plans. No, I think that that is the way to work. And I think Martin just signed off on the permit that you have. Ray has been out there. Yeah, I have not located where the pull-off should be, but I would gladly, I don't know what Martin, you know, schedule this tomorrow morning, but if, you know, if you want to meet over there early, I would make the trip over there. If you just give me a look at the agree on, okay, let me pull off one, two, three. I'd be more likely to be back to show we can get this moving. Yeah. I think the Cypher agrees to that solution. I'm good with that. I have a question. Thanks. Hi, I have a question. This is Denise McCarty. So what does the current permit say? Is it different from the one that was submitted and expired? I don't know. Because if there was a permit submitted, but now we're not sure what the permit looks like as far as the design. I mean, aren't those details supposed to be put in the actual permit that gets approved, submitted and approved? We would need another permit for the pull-offs. We need a permit for the pull-offs. But I think what we should do is go ahead and approve Ray Martin going up, working really well to go out and figure out how to play. Yeah, I can kind of answer Denise's question on that. I wrote down that and I know I talked to Happy about it, about just improving that drainage underneath Stefani's driveway, which a lot of water just comes over the road. So I know that was a big issue this spring. So we would hope to fix that and get water going underneath that culver again. I think that would be a huge help in keeping the mud down. You know, there's another permit for that area from the Braganos. They're on the property next to us. Next to us, yeah. So, Martin, you walked with them as well on that? Correct. You both? I mean, I was trying to see if you heard anything. Yes, I did. One afternoon, I guess, they were moving around the only man who walked out there. It's a pretty extensive amount of work that he's proposing to do to get out there. And that is one of the reasons that I'd be meeting with Jared Orr, the stream alterations engineer from the state. It would require three culverts to be installed, the last one being basically ad-to-be repons. And it's a significant amount of water, and I'm not comfortable making that declaration of what size pipe should go in there. So that's why I've been speaking with Jared and trying to set up an appointment. Right. So will those road or end of their trail meet the Braganos, or is there any breaking between them? There's a break between our drive-by and Braganos, yes. A little bit. Yeah. Again, that's on the other side, so we don't... Yeah. I'm concerned from Denise's section as well. I mean, that's one of the reasons why we wanted to get out there. I mean, you know, I haven't seen me out there, the rest of the people that don't know what they're doing up there, that we don't leave her at desperate straits. Like, she sounded like she might have run in here in the spring. Yeah. And again, it's our first experience with this road, so we didn't know what it was going to look like this spring. It was, yeah. It was a hard packing that will go on. Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of less than learning on that front. Trying to rectify it, yeah. And it sounded like you're all willing to work together and try to make this work. Yeah, that's what it was going to be, yeah. It's a good neighbor, so... Yeah. But we know that they have graded it a couple times with their tractor, which you definitely appreciate. And we got a tractor this spring, still need to get a box scraper, but we definitely want to help out. And we're under the assumption that it is a responsibility, too. So... Right. Like, maybe, but Travis, go ahead. Just two simple, simple, simple questions. Okay. Has there been any permit filled out for this this access, or is this, we're still working off the old process? We have a new woman who's working, again, I want those, I want, I would like Ray and Martin as well with them to modify the permit and we can sign off. And if we have to have a special meeting in two days over Zoom, we can do that to make it happen. So you're not being held up another week or another two weeks, but I was like, well, just, if you can, guys, can put something on paper tomorrow that everyone can agree. And maybe Denise is out there. Maybe you could walk it with them, Denise, in the morning. Just so everyone's got an idea of what's going on and trying to work this out. And you got a house there. We're not moving the house. It's there. You know, that's another thing. So let's just try to make this civil and work for all. Yeah. If that's... That's, yeah. All right. Well, let's see if you have that. Yes, I'm good with that. I mean, I'm just trying to... I'm requesting just transparency. What are the exact improvements that are being proposed? When will they be done? Time frame. Who will be doing them? And who's signing off? I mean, do we have engineers or do we just have regular folks with a wish list of what we want these legal trails to be? And then after the improvements are done, is the legal trail going to be upgraded to some other status because the more improvements that you make, it deviates from the legal definition under Title XIX of what a legal trail is. I don't anticipate upgrading the trail, but if in five years we have a 20-foot wide road with the right specs, then we take a look at it. But let's go for a watch, Mark. You can meet them. What time are we going to do there? You guys, Ray? 7 o'clock? I'm going to work for you. It's going to work for you, folks. Right at Tracy. Can you make seven tomorrow? Sure. All right. So you're good. You're all good. So the idea is you'll put a working plan together and we will sign off on that. So, Ray, I don't know if you know I'm on a butter. I'll be down there at 7.2. Meet you. Who's the one who's talking? That's Dave's table. Dave's table. Okay. Dave is on the planning commission as well, so maybe he could have some insights and help there, too. Well, I do have a question. Dave, are you participating as a land of butter or are you participating as a planning commission chair, which so that would be perceived kind of as a conflict of interest? Yeah. I've talked about that. So I'm mostly trying to learn. I don't have a lot of interest in the road. So I'm trying to learn. I think we need to work on policy in general for class war roads. And so this is a learning experience for me, mostly. Well, it's a legal trail, which is different than a class. Yes, I've learned that, too. Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay. Thanks for clarifying. Thank you. Travis, you're welcome to meet them up there at 7-8-1. All right. So we all did. I did have another request. We did watch the meeting from two weeks ago, and we heard that you were starting some sort of committee for class war roads or trails. Would it be possible for us to be a part of that? I feel like the last couple of weeks, we've been really out of the loop and things have kind of been going on in the background, and we're not really sure what's going on. Yeah. We want to do something just like Dave, you just heard he, you know, we need to do something. Yeah. I think it'll be a little, let me figure out how we put that together and what we call it. Right now, we have a lot of regulations, things on the books that we just don't enforce. You know, we don't know they're there, or we don't have any enforcing them. You know, I've heard you wrote. So we're going to try to figure that type of stuff out. But when we do put some of your staff and work on trail and road policies, we'd be happy that anyone that wants to be on the committee would be happy to have you on the computer today. Travis, you're welcome. John, Brian, you'd be welcome. Any of them, welcome to a committee here. Is that fair? I just want to, I don't know if everybody knows this, but when we talked about that maybe the last night, after I gave it some thought the next day, I really thought that it wasn't really necessary to have anything at that time that it's better. We have the DRD, the Plain Commission, and it's like more that we could resolve these issues. I'm not against the committee, but I don't want to be on the committee. Come on, Ray. Well, I mean, yeah, Ray and I talked a little bit about it. I mean, we didn't want to go committee crazy, I guess. And committees have to be treated the same way. It's an open meeting and a committee meeting. So, you know, to get very conversant. All right. My only comment would be after, you know, listening in the last couple of weeks of this is it certainly illustrates that going forward, you know, in the next few years, this is only the beginning of what's the development impressions that are going to come into the town on class board loads and trails. So, you know, all if it's, you know, development review board or planning board or whatever, hourly, or maybe the three-boy, the select board come together for a brainstorming session and then we go from there. But this is only going to just continue to happen. No. And that's why we have, we invited John in to talk about that real briefly and then move on. But let's first make sure that everyone is set with, and I know we still have the other road permit for the Brigados and we will get to that a little later on on the agenda and the, I don't know, the course communications a little after seven. But are you folks good? I think so. Yeah. Tracy, yeah. Denise, you all good with tomorrow? Yes. All right, very good. Thank you. Thank you. Martin and Ray, thank you very much. So, Marker, I'll be trying to pull off, but I don't just want my dad to do it because I think there's going to be a bunch of cars. Okay. Hey folks, Denise wants to speak. Go ahead, Denise. Sorry. I do feel that the process is a little disjointed because if I didn't live here, then I wouldn't be notified of this conversation, this process going on, and out of respect for the other landowners that are around me that access the same road, I feel like they should have equal opportunity and I've been advocating for that as well during this whole process is there's not clear communication, there's not consistent communication. And so, part of me is saying that Clemens Stefani, who also owns land and has a road or a driveway off of the legal trail, maybe he should be notified too that this is happening. That is just something to consider now and going forward. And as we're discussing changes to legal trails and class 4 roads, that there needs to be proper notification or some kind of consistent process to notify landowners that will be impacted for changes on legal trails or class 4 roads. Well, I think that's a place that if we'd gone to the DRV there would have been a notice out to the landowners. Right. On the belly button. Now, that's something we can certainly work on Denise and maybe even with road permits, there's some kind of mechanism that it triggers with people around the road or within a certain distance, they get something. But maybe as we move forward with these discussions, we put that together, that is something that we can certainly keep in thought. Thank you. I would appreciate that. You're welcome. And I think everybody else would. All right. Well, thank you everyone. I appreciate you guys saying the time to come today. John, you have a thank you. You want to pull up John? Put your gloves on. And thanks John for having me. Good. Have a good summer. So far so good. Well, thank you. I mean, you were coming initially to talk about Ray had originally reached out about the house permit that was on the trail. And so you made it very clear if it wasn't a field at that point, there's really nothing as far as the roads that we could do. So that's it is what it is. Right. So you pull that discussion. So why I thought we had to hear and we had to date Stapleton from the planning commission is maybe we could discuss how we can make sure that these type of things don't happen again or what we should do as far as even what Donny said as far as this is going to be something, you know, a big problem or maybe not a problem, but a big issue in the future as far as development of trails in class four roads. And certainly people are buying properties that the only access is the legal trail or class four road. So it was interesting to me because the DRB heard we did a sketch plan review for Michael McCarty January of 2021. And the parcel he owns, which I think you own the five different parcels. We purchased the 30 properties. You already bought that 30. Yeah, we know that he was trying to sell it. I mean, the discussion at that time, he came in, you're an engineer and basically do you own that house that on the five point on? That's all we else own that. Somebody else bought that on the right. Okay. So anyway, it was our understanding based on that presentation that it's basically about that house is where it road transitions from class three. Yes. And I guess the discussion is it's not class four. It's a legal trail and that's pretty well understood. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think you're going to see more of this. And you know, we have the ordinance, the zoning ordinance, and we had the town plan. You know, basically the zoning ordinance says, you know, primarily we look at it to make sure there's legal access. And when it's by a private driveway or private way or a class four road or a legal trail, you know, we typically are concerned as a DOB is safety and access for emergency vehicles. So typically we would condition any approval on a commitment that you'll upgrade the road with turnouts or with sufficient that fire trucks can get there. Okay. And they could plan on winter if you're going to build a house. But we've seen a bunch of those applications over the last 10 years. And you know, there's not much other guidance and ordinance. So it's really the select board, I think, that has authority over work within private and within legal trails and class four roads and even in class three roads. And you permit that. And it's, you know, I think you need a policy if you don't want, if the town doesn't want these parcels to be developed with year-round residents is ultimately, you know, who control that by what's allowed to be done. And, you know, if you did get a permit before you bought the parcel. Yeah, that was a kind of agreement with the town or with the original buyer that we wouldn't it was contingent that we would need a building permit before we bought the property. So that's why the apartment was in whatever season it would be perfect. Yeah, but that's why his name is ours for the first one. Oh, I see. I did have a question now. The concern is just access of emergency vehicles and the road is wide enough for a fire truck. Do we necessarily need those spots where we can fit two cars? If there is a turnaround on the road. Fire truck needs more than like just a truck to get down there. Sometimes bumper trucks have to get through things like that. I mean, Stefan might be able to speak on that here. Yeah, I'd love to get Stefan to come down here. Well, part of it's the judgment of the select board. Because certainly there's, as I understood it, Denise Cardin's residence is kind of on the other side of the person you buy and just further down the road. Up there, yeah. And then there's a couple of camps, even further down before you were fine. So, you know, there could be vehicles leading and, you know, how many vehicles and what do you wonder? I think it was an incident in the past week. Denise shared with us that George, I think she maybe met you and you backed down and then back into a traffic. I did that. It's for drivers. I was on the class three section of the road when I did back into that tree. Because I said that. It's a repair. Right. It was on the class three section of the road, but again, there was no place to pull off and the road was not wide enough for two cars to pass or anybody in that section to be able to safely pull over and let somebody go by. So, one of us had to back up and... That's why I said I knew Denise. And there was an accident. I'm not good at backing up and I had way longer to go. So that's a good illustration of me answering your question, that yes, we would love this or I would like to see in that permit that you guys come up with tomorrow some pull-offs, you know. It doesn't have to be a lot, but so there are opportunities that can be Denise or wherever, wherever. There are some of those things. As if the DRB, you know, that's to use as a model. As John said, they're looking for safety and safety just doesn't mean one fire truck it might be. So that'll need to go the entire length of our property up to Denise's as well, just in case there are emergency vehicles up there as well. No, it's only... Only... I don't think it's up to your problem. Yeah, it's just up to yours. So she's grandfathered and everything that's built before now. This doesn't need those turn-offs. There are cars that drive completely through from Wartown that go over as well. We saw a jeep drive there yesterday. Yeah, there was a jeep that came up to my house because they thought that it connected to Stevensbrook Road and it used to, through the legal trail that goes through the Bragana's land but because of the swamp, the beaver pond in the wetlands, it no longer connects over to Stevensbrook. But yes, they did try to come up and out past my house looking for a road and I let them know that they were in the wrong... Okay, I got here last weekend with a Subaru Forester actually went. I saw that one by the way. Yeah, he was right around himself. Yeah. And I'm going to be from Waitfield. It's a Fordster. Yeah. It's an older gentleman. And so I know someone to actually kind of help to get through. And I can torque a star pretty well. Yeah, I thought he was joking at first when he said he... And people do do it. I was on a bicycle through there and it's gnarly on... No, he said it was not. Going on the one side. And when you get past the beaver on the side, going down to like, you know, more town and water... Stevensbrook Road. No, no, no, the other way. Yeah, it's broody. It's... I had to get off my bike and make up this box. It's broody through there. I can't believe they can drive through there. Amazing. Here is another point to be made. It's not just for an emergency vehicle. It's now that people live out in these, you know, areas where it's hard to get to. Now they expect services like CV, fire possibly, to plowing or maintaining their ways. Plus those properties are a lot cheaper because previous people have realized that you can't develop it, you know, not without extensive work to be done. So, you know, profitors are selling for a lot cheaper price. Then what regular residents within the taxpayers on Class 3 or greater roads live. So, you know, I think it's rude to think that it's okay to build out there, live out there 365 days a year. I think we've paid our fair share. It sounds out of the name. All right, thank you again. That was another point to John. So really the select were then really it's on us to come up with how we want to protect if you will those rails or glassboard. Well, I guess one, you know, because you oversee work on those roads and have that authority, you have a lot of say. I mean, certainly the planning commission can craft zoning regulations that would be more restrictive. And, you know, if the town adopts a more restrictive and just says, you know, you can't develop a primary residence on a class 4 road or a legal trail. I think they probably, you know, the town would have to read that. That would be. Right, but I don't, and the board, I don't think that's anything that we're just enjoying. No, I'm not. Yeah, right, but we have a little. Yeah, I mean, sometimes may choose to do that. Right, but also, I mean, we need housing. We need these are historic roads that were there. There's those competing visions of, you know, do you have a preserve? This isn't a preserve district where, you know, minimum land sizes are larger and setbacks are greater. And yeah, I mean, that's those are the dynamics. All right, so we, as a select, we should probably get together with the planning commission and we probably will need a committee to figure out how to move forward with or without development on trails and thus for roads. There's plenty of case study on this also. Dave, go ahead. Yeah, I have started to investigate a bit on what other towns have been doing. And I do know that some have been more restrictive than we've been about building on class four roads. And you know, to my mind, it's a big, we really need to have a clear policy because the people that own the property out there, it affects the value of their property. And you know, if they're trying to sell it to somebody and it's unclear whether the select boards, you know, gonna be willing to let them build, use the driveway. That's a, you know, that really has an effect on potential transactions. And I just think having a much clearer policy, whatever it is, would be pretty helpful to people. I certainly have conversations with, we've got tonight to illustrate that, but we need something going forward. But we'll certainly look for the DRV to be involved in that. Absolutely. As well, John. Oh, we'd like it. Because you guys see the permits, so you know the questions that are coming in and some of the questions that we should be asking. Yeah, I say at the start, it's like Lord Planning Commission and DRV, you know, just let it go from there. All right, so we'll put something together. And it certainly should be some citizen involvement as well at some point. At some point. Anyone. So, if we do bring those three groups together, maybe we could just put like a little packet of bullets together that would highlight some of the things that are given right now. You know, I mean, I'm not talking about a huge document, but just some simple definitions so that people come to the meeting with like, oh, okay, well. Right, we need to know where we're at. Yes, yes, what's, what we have, you know. Establish that bar and then work off that. Again, I wouldn't give any of us to, you know, rule off what we can, what we can. There's a learning curve there, you know, certain words of myself. So, certainly this summer, July is, in August is fairly busy, but I think towards the end of August or September, and this is something that we should jump on as boards and we can see how that works out to start with it and maybe make a plan when we want to present something maybe at a town meeting and we can work back from then to figure out how we need to accomplish that. Is that fair with everyone? Good luck. You want to do it? Yeah. Okay, thank you, John. Thank you again, everyone, for your comments and being civil and the people on the computer as well. Quick question for John. Are you the African Zoning Administrator currently? Quite now. I've been told you are. He's not an African Zoning Administrator. We've had a couple of people who've asked John if he could look at them and do a building for them. But I think that's a good question. One of the things I wanted to mention in the board tonight, Sasha did send me some of the applications that have come in and my understanding is clear lock is transitioning out and it's basically willing to come back and the board has agreed to hire a new person. Give me July 11th. That's right. We have Karen Sautcher. But my concern really is the interim because there's no one appointed that can act on the permits, applications that come in. And I think from what Sasha sent me, there's maybe four that are pending, submitted, received by the town. And that starts the 30 day clock for the town to either approve them or say they're incomplete because there's basic information that hasn't been provided or otherwise they're deemed approved. And so on the 30th day, it's a final permit. Right. So the reason we were sending those to you was for that reason to see if that's something that you and we didn't know about it. I guess I didn't understand anything. I don't think I should really do that. I'm on the DRP. I mean, I'd be happy to, you know, and I would probably have to recuse myself, getting the banners and actually went to the DRP. But I think, you know, the board needs to appoint somebody as an interim zoning administrator. Either one of the board members or one of the Sasha or Cheryl, like obviously you need somebody who's right to do that. But it's, I mean, there's four pending applications that the clock is running on all of them. And it's going to be really hard for a new person to come in July 11th, who's brand new and be able to hit the ground, let it be. So let's, Sasha, can we reach out to JB in the morning as if you'd be willing to look at these five permits and then maybe niche it? Does it make sense to suspend, take the permits until a new person starts? I don't think you can do that. Actually, they haven't, they didn't waste the help. They enacted a moratorium. A moratorium on permits. But again, I think we're getting close enough up against July 11th. I mean, from what I can see, several of them are just routine permits. Right, I looked at the first two that came in, they were just additions. In fact, the reason I was going to have you look at them is I was going to approve them if you looked at them and you didn't see any issues with them. So maybe the board could appoint you as the... I will work today. I mean, I think I can meet you here and with Sasha and kind of go through them and think about them a little bit. I don't think it would take very long. Yeah, why don't we go ahead and then do that if the board is agreeable to that? Again, I looked at the first two that came in. That's the house with their copies of them. And they were just two, and I would see the two subsequent ones. But they were 20-foot additions and one was even smaller than that. Yeah, they need setback requirements. Everything, they're going to be dropped off. Yeah, it's been paid. All right, so what do we do? What's that? Do you want to make a motion? Yeah, I'll make a motion. We appoint Tom as interim zoning administrator. Second. Did you second that? I'll second. Yeah, deal with that. One of us. You're going to have to run that. Oh. This is another comment. So Claire is not available at all. It sounds like... She's not in the state of the country right now. No, I wish she was. Any more discussion? No. Okay, I'll leave my place. But is she still... Which, is she her term ended? Her term ended, but they have agreed such as friendly to do the training. Yeah, four. I was just going to say, maybe you should be assisting if she was still in place and might come back. Yeah, but she'll be back soon. I don't know. Okay, I guess... Just a thought. Thanks, John. All in favor say aye. No, aye. Aye. Another question. Okay, thanks. Just quickly. One of the other meetings that I attended, I made a suggestion that there should be like a secondary review process before the zoning administrator signs off, whoever that would be. Has that process... Has the select board thought more of that process and has that process been implemented at all? And if not, when would that process be implemented? So if you remember that first question that I asked John Riley, he's our DRB guy here, is how we can prevent permits moving forward, I guess, in the correct referring to George and Tracy's permit that got issued and was incorrect. So that was my initial ask. And that's led to this discussion. But as we bring on the new zoning administrator, I think it's something the board we can discuss. And again, we're hiring them and we're hiring someone that has the expertise. This is prior to this, we had probably the job had gone beyond the person's capabilities. So I'm hoping that we don't have to check everyone's work. But maybe there is, and I'll speak with John or we can, as we move forward here, maybe there is a way to have a chat and balances on those things. I'll make one point on this, if you may. So Karen, who we hired and it will start July 11th, actually has some background on quality assurance, quality review system. So I put to her during the interview process that maybe she could help us address this specific issue. And she's happy to do that. And I hear you both. However, the previous zoning administrator also had impeccable references and job history as zoning administrators, not only in more town, but in other towns. I think it was Duxbury and Warren or Watesfield. So, and then, you know, he made some errors from my understanding. So had there been some checks and balances with his work and not just operated on the premise that he knew what he was doing or had done something before? That is just, pardon me, but that's just what David just addressed. He didn't say that she was the expert. He said she was good at following assurance when they were working to put some of those things in place. So let's look to see what they come up with as far as some of those safeguards, which may be someone following up on her. So let's take a look and see what they come up with. Okay, that's fair. Thank you. I appreciate you considering that. Yeah, you're welcome. John, anything else you can guide us with? No, that's not it. Thank you. All right, I really appreciate you coming down and understanding how you're doing. The issues, you know, we've got a little not too bad. We're going to turn off Don Wexler. Okay, a little town hall review just to get us all off to speed. So, you know, as a select boy, you know, we're, as you can see, the last hour we spend a lot of time on just, you know, what it takes to run the town to keep our town operating. But with the town hall, we now are at sort of the crossroads of going forward, how we're going to go forward with the town hall and, you know, get ready for 2035 or something, you know, and have the building be available for another 200 years after that. So I brought with me a couple of things. This is the gentleman that helped me put together the RFP when he was doing some research in the town hall. He found an article that was written in 2007 in the Valley Report. Oh, give it to me. Yeah, in the Valley Report. Here's another one. And you'll see that, you know, just the yellow drainage system was talked about at our Monday meeting on October 15th, of which we still have a little bit of an issue with the drainage system. And then if you flip the page, you'll see that down out of the sky, select wouldn't have gone best, also brought up, you know, whether we should do a bunch of old projects there. We did do some projects back in 2007-2008. I thought you'd just kind of get a kick out of this. Here we are 17 years later, and we're kind of standing on the precipice of doing something new and bringing the building forward as a true community center. So, you know, during the past year, our back last year is more fast and then during the fall, we did a lot of community outreach. This was with the town hall committee, which incidentally, we haven't really met since February 17th. There's just been a couple of small, you know, I've been working on the RFP and a couple of other people who've been working on some stuff, just remotely and stuff. So, which I'll get into next. So, in any event, you know, there's been lots of programs. There's been rentals and just don't take starting again with all these being rentals through different events. And so now we have this RFP out, which will send out, I've reached out to seven architectural firms. And so far, I've actually got, I would say maybe two and a half that are responding. So, I wanted everybody to have a copy of this so when you have a chance, you can look at it and also yellow out a couple items on there for key dates that are coming out. So, try to have something ready by town meeting for the community to review and potentially vote on. So, like I said, we've got two architectural firms right now and possibly a third that have walked one firm through and hopefully this week I'll have another one. But, I have to say, as you all know, everybody's totally crazy and busy. So, it's time to really find folks. So, hopefully if we can carry on, as you'll see, there'll be possibly some interviews by the end of July and then this and we, you know, once we find the firm that's going to put this package together, they'll be submitting prices to do with the scope of work that you'll see in here. So, one thing we need to think about is that where we're going to come up with some funds to pay for the schematic and to get, bring this team on board to identify the work we're going to do, take all the community and put with that as far as the life safety items and the ADA and how we might fix up the basement and such. So, I wanted to get that out there because we need to start getting a gearing up for that and get an understanding of how we might get a grant from like the Preservation Trust or Research and Grants who's this hiring act. How much are you thinking? I think the act was just going to tell you that will be somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000 like that. So, not imagine. That's what I'm hearing or seeing or whatever. So, yeah, I mean, it's underway and... So, what's with that? And I know I know what I can look at. Well, if the firm that gets selected will then go about putting together like three schematic designs, you know, have a package they'll get input from the board, from the town hall committee, you know, maybe, you know, some other, you know, people in the community, they'll be, have already been reviewed, everything we've done to date. The stuff we did with Bill Gallo, as far as some of the life safety stuff he identified, you know, they'll get a site engineer or evaluate the exterior and how we would accomplish that. And, you know, they'll present us with a... As we go through that thing, we'll pick different, you know, different apples and bananas so that the final package is together and then that's a package that can be priced up to, you know, hopefully that we would have a number that we could say to a town meeting, this is how much it's going to cost to renovate this town hall. All right, so 20 grand I can have done. You're going to have a package that contractors will... Once we all go through the process and select this is what we want, you know, maybe we're going to just select, just do the ADA stuff and don't do it with draft lobby and don't, you know, I don't know, don't fix the kitchen. Exactly, but we'll have a point of no and we can present it to people in the town. Right, well also we've identified, you know, as we all know, there's a lot of grants out there, a lot of grand money out there, so, you know, obviously we'd be pursuing that. I don't think we need to look at aqua. I mean aqua money would be great to use for some of the town hall, too, but there's a lot of other demands and I think we have other ways to probably fund it. So that's the story on that that's going on, but, you know, how do you think we should go ahead to find these funds to, once we get these pricing to say, oh yeah, we want to go with firm A, you know, or firm B or whatever, you know, and then we want to engage and kind of keep this schedule going. So you're asking us how we're going to... How we're going to, you know, we're going to need the funds, you know, it's not going to be like do that day when once we selected person, but, you know, certainly as we move into fall and they produce all these documents and stuff, you know. And that's the 50 to 20,000. Yeah, that's what I believe. And did you say that you were looking into grants for that, or no? No, I mean, we've elicited, yes, we have some, we know of some grants, but we haven't started going after them. That's not the next step. We agree that that's what we should do. You know, we've identified some, but we haven't reached out. So then I would want to work with Cheryl Lillan or something. Yeah, no, I think that's absolutely good. If you identify those, work with Cheryl and find out what she needs and... And then she might know some as well. Yeah, no, I agree. So I would cash for what you're trying to... Okay, find that 20,000. So then, yeah, okay. Yeah, no, that's all. I'm going to have to take her out of the service. And one last item is that we've also been working on, going forward, a management plan, because as time goes on, we're going to need as more events are happening at the town hall, with the librarian, not the librarian. As we've stated, just this year, there's been 1,200 people have been in attendance to programs, and there's been 840 library visits or something. So, you know, the place is definitely being used. So the town hall committee, the library trustees, the friends of the libraries, Cheryl Lillan and Sasha have all looked at this. This is a rough draft of how we could go forward with a management plan to manage the building. And so I'm giving them all a copy of this to please read. There's no sense in trying to talk about it right now, but to read it. And so that maybe at the next meeting, we could go over it, or even ask some of the other players to come to the meeting. Yeah, I think it's a good... Yeah, because... I wanted to take a look at it. Certainly, you know, the rentals are gone going and happening. You know, maybe there has to be a little system where maybe it could be a better communication system with it, or there could be a town hall manager who would organize all the different events. And then, of course, the town clerk would be responsible for the final thing about the payment and insurance and all that. And even if you'd read the document, that would be great. So then if we could get it on the radar, I'd discuss in the future. And one last item is the front door. We've certainly been struggling along with the front door because maybe it's getting... The door was being turned so much that doing on this just not lived happening. We've had several repairs, including, you know, it's truly really didn't work. So it is something identified in the future, whenever that, you know, it's... We all know it's a ways out before we do this project. That that is sort of a life safety issue because having a door knob on an exit door is a little nice. It's nice to have. Yeah. Well, anyway, it's not only out so we could... We have a gentleman, a young man, who's helped us move the back basement doors now fixed, and we're going to fix the side door having a little trouble and it's rotted at the bottom. So we could fix the front door with either a brass, you know, push bar, you know, so it would be, you know, somewhat period, if you want to call it. Or we could get... And then on the outside, there'd be a lever handle, or we could just have two lever handles, you know, and one's 650 for the crash bar, and it's 550 for the two lever handles. So my suggestion is, is I'll get some cut sheets so that people can look at them. But I think it's something that we should fix and so... No, we need to fix that. Yeah, I'm sorry. I've seen this too many emails. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. I think it's a lot of emails. I know. Is this another door knob? Yeah. Right, so I want to try to figure it out. I just want to give you that update because, you know... As far as I'm concerned, I don't need a cut sheet. You can figure it out if you want to do it. Yeah, and one of those is fine. I agree. Okay, good. I just wanted to give you that update. And my last question, okay, is... Could someone help me figure out where the septic and the well is? Does anybody... I mean, we have a really old drawing. Yeah, the well's right in the front, right? Yeah, right there on the corner, right? But where is the septic system? And what do we know about it? Right in the back, yeah. Right in that room. Where the tank is? Yeah, where the tank is. It's not what this... When I was sending this thing that I would copy, you know, I think with Cheryl Lynn sent me. Yeah. I don't know. It's like in the corner by the sawmill or something across the house, across the street. You can use it. No, please. No. Well, you know, the house across the street does use it. I know that's... Yeah, okay. But it's behind where the gas tank is. Yes. Hmm, interesting. So... Do you know anything about the size of it or... The size of the tank? Yeah, or anything with what the system is. Do we even know what it is? I don't know if we had a pump or something. Oh, wow. But are you going to win the last round? I don't know who pumped it because they wouldn't know me. But... And you were involved with the hazardous waste assessment. Was that done? Or was that ever done? I don't know. You were calling the hazardous waste assessment. That's the assessment? No. I don't know if that was one, ever been done. I've... There must have been. I think I've read it on it. But Cheryl... Cheryl Lynn should know. Okay. They're probably Cheryl Lynn. Yeah. Okay. I mean, sorry. Can you talk about soils or are you talking about lead? No, I don't know. Not soils. No, just in the building. Yeah, okay. So there was the waste assessment on the lead assessment. Yeah, good. Okay. There is a report somewhere. All right. Well, I'll track it down. Great. Thank you. So just to question it on, you know, there are two issues with that with the town hall. That's the septic and the parking. That are going to limit whatever we do. And whatever we want to build there or enhance it to make it more attractive, we're always going to have no parking and a very limited septic system. Well, we've outlined as you read in the management plan about parking and how people have to... If they have an event, they have to park at the school, you know, to park up here. So that's outlined, you know, for any renters. And I agree. It's definitely an issue of what the... That's why I'd like to know a little bit more about the septic, for sure. Yeah. You know, and the water. And the water. And the water. And the water. Yeah. The state would have records on it, though. Yeah. I agree. Yeah, I forgot about that. And I said, build a new town hall and all those things. Add on to this one here. Yeah, there you go. Okay. Well, it's a work in progress. So we'll thank you for that point. Right. And we'll check that out. So everyone has that homework that Don has for you, right? Has what? The homework that you've got. Yeah, there you go. All right, so let's go ahead and move forward. Let's see what we have. Thank you, Don. So we have reports, communications. Sasha, why don't we go ahead and start with you? I have reached out to Ron regarding the work that you've been wanting on the animal ordinance and he's working on that. We are wondering if it's possible or a row of guys to maybe pressure wash out some of this building? Hasn't been done ever. You know, the fire department? There's a pressure washing market, typically. Something you guys could do. Never done in the buildings. We, what was it, three years ago? We, two years ago, we hired a contractor to do the town buildings. Hey, Seth, are you on? Yes, I am. Is that something the fire department can do? I didn't hear what it was. To power wash the town office here? We certainly could. It's kind of a hit or a miss. We have to obviously be careful if we can take paint and the building apart. But we can certainly give it a try. We've done it at the town hall before. It's somewhat successful, but we stay far away from where the power comes in and such to prevent problems. But we certainly would be willing to give it a go. And John mentioned the town hall as well. And suddenly you've been there before. Is that something you could put on your schedule, too? Yes, we can get that with the next few weeks here. Thank you, Seth. All right, I appreciate that. They lower the speed limit over in that section on route two. I don't know. Everybody saw an email. It's down to 35 now. And that's like the corner from Gallerators, right? Yeah, right from the right to the red light, to the traffic light. All right, well congratulations. I know you guys moved on that. The something that you talked about for quite some time, right? And it was all of a sudden it couldn't be done. And then all of a sudden it was done. Well, I mean it was changed to 40. And then Laura Garnes requested a change to 25. And 35 was the lowest save. But I didn't go into that to the hearing. It was a virtual hearing. And they had, I don't know if they need to be reminded, but they did talk about that because it is a very, it's basically going through a neighborhood that they would, they could just lower it any more. They would consider further down the road, especially if we get the sidewalk. Because then that would be a further study because they literally have to take in all of route two, from the 50 to 40 to get that to 25. But in the meantime, they said, well, we're going to get the sidewalk built. But they were considering putting up some kind of sign, like a thickly settled or pedestrian's hat or something that would alert people to slow down even more that they weren't just coming into a 35 or more. So they are considering that as well. And then we'll work on the rest of it. That's, I mean, it's really so residential. And that section of route two is a little sex line. It really is. You know, there's quite a lot of people living on that road. It's really unique in case you didn't even see when they were going to repay that. I don't know. I suppose they did go in another section this year. Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah. But I think that the contract's going to work. You know, I don't know. That's supposed to happen this year, yeah. Unfortunately, though, that will make our argument not much harder. I have a question about that. So if you're making the effort to change the speed limit signs in various places, but you're not enforcing it with law enforcement, what is the point of making the effort? Jess? Well, Denise, again, you've been on a few meetings and you've probably heard that the state police has informed us this spring that they didn't get the hires that they thought they would. There hasn't been a lack of we haven't wanted it or we haven't allocated the money. But, frankly, we just haven't been people to do it. We recently received an email that now Washington County Sheriff's have recently hired someone and now we're looking for business. So we're going to have them in and see what they can offer us. Okay. Yeah. So? That's all that. All right. So one of the things that we go ahead, John, I guess, why don't we go ahead and deal with reports? Oh, okay. I spoke with Frank Piazza. They don't do so much about his head. He's got prunes up a little bit more. It's hard to roll it. Just keep out of the stop sign. That's it. So it's blocked the stop sign. Are you guys having that issue again over there? Yes. When is he going to do that, John? Why don't you give him a week? Yeah. If you're not done with a week, go cut what you need. That's in the right way. Very clear in the title 19 somewhere, today or sometime, it will be in our right way. You can cut whatever you need to, especially once the tree board says we can do that. And he has to make it visible. Do you know anything on this? No, I guess you'll talk about the other one, sir. Sure. Don, I don't know if that is that now. I guess reports are in the case. Yeah. So, well, we gave you the route two thing. So based on what you remember a couple weeks ago, you sent out that thing that showed us how the state had changed some statutes. Yes. So, which now, from my reading it, it sounds like we can now, if we wanted, we could slow the speed down on dirt roads, not on a state road, but on dirt roads we can now, you know, right? But in any event, I'm talking to different traffic people, speed signs really are what really totally slow people down anyways, but, you know, some one gentleman, John Captain that I've talked to, who's the head of, I'll do one, a heat trans, was that sometimes communities that they put slow down signs with different types, like the kind that we got for a pony farm road. I think we still have some left, Sasha, do I still have some left? We've got Tennessee, I think I only put up four, but somewhere they're stacked. But, you know, so I was thinking anyway, we have six of those, we could put those up, you know, some different roads in town, because we have had a lot of complaints about skiing, most of the ones, you know, slow down and drive like you're, you know, your kids lived here. So that's just an idea that's with an idea to flow. I have to just tell you one sign that I did find at a friend's neighborhood in the Hampshire the other day. And then we will move on just, you know, so you can get an idea of how this could go really, you know, and that is, this is great. All in favor of slower speeds, raise your right foot. I mean, you know, you can put that on River Road or general, the model would be something. You can actually read that down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. You can put it a little bit smaller than that, a little bit quicker. All right, so then onto a more concrete item, Thursday morning, we're going to meet John Kaplan again from VTrans, near in town, to talk about the RSF sign, which is the radar speed sign here, and whether we can relocate it down near Silke, Lange, Silke, Silke, Silke, Lange. So they are coming into town that would slow people down, and also just to look at the current state of crosswalks, what we can do while we were a couple of years away from the sidewalk. But, you know, there is one that was painted temporarily down here, doesn't that be repainted? And something to slow traffic as they come around the corner with the sawmill, the town hall, and the more town general store. So that's Thursday at night. Yeah, I mean, it looks like in terms of time freight, the sewer, the sooner the sewer would be next summer, right? I said, what? The sewer. The sooner the sewer. The soonest we would have the sewer would be next summer, right? High least. At least, you could say then. So we're looking at the sidewalk being a year after that. And, you know, we just can't, especially at the town hall and everything, we can't have people crossing the road without a crosswalk. We've got to figure out some way to do it, even if we have to put a section of sidewalk where it is. I think this guy, John, should be able to give you some direction on that. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I'm psyched that he, you know, agreed to come to town. Good. So, yeah, that was... You know, I don't think Anna, with those blink and signs, I know Sasha has done some research on those mobile units. Yeah, by Ray. Yeah, look at him. So there's some ray of what regards to the information. So I think in the future meeting, that's something that we can discuss as well. And depending on what we find out with the sheriffs in there, it sounds like they have a limited availability. Maybe we use some of that money if we don't think we spend it all there, or it's one of these signs. Or our funds for the rent. Or our funds we do as well. Thank you, yes. And in terms of traffic common, John, I also agree that to mean speed bumps. Yeah, you'll never get one out of here. No, one of them. Yeah, on the dirt roads. I already have a lot of time on those. You still feel so calm. I don't think that's a word. I don't think we're going to get that, but... Yeah, okay. Thought, maybe out here in the parking lot, John, we'll get your seat pumped. We have one, actually. We have one. We have some, sometimes. And yeah, and then the signs. Okay, so, I guess I'll cover all of that. What do you guys need? Thursday? Thursday, no. Let me see if we can let them down. I'm going to be there a little bit, just a little bit. Don, you all set? Yeah, I guess. Joe. No, I don't know. Is there a Morpheus committee, have they started meeting yet, or anything? Yes, yeah, they've been having a few meetings. I think so. But I don't know. I mean, I can check into that for you. No, no, I mean, who should I reach out to? Reach out to either Leigh Ann or, um... Lindsay. Staple. Lindsay Staple. Staple. Or, step on. This is the first. But probably one of those two would be better. Okay, great. Count on the jet. You don't think we're still there? Nothing. You really know that? Except it looks like somebody's living down in the pull-off, right by the town line. I don't know if you've seen that up. I was just asking you to bring that up, actually. I noticed it. I've driven by it all. Maybe someone just broke down and now it's been there a while. And today, today, there were several cars coming back up, and actually out portioned to the highway. So it's a dangerous situation. It's dangerous is against the law. It isn't against the law. I mean, you cannot camp in a pull-off where you just can't. It's a lot. We should... Sasha, if you could reach out. Obviously, the person that's doing that is living there because they don't have any gloves to go, right? So maybe with all the stuff that we get away in the state, find out if there's maybe assistance even to a campground. So this guy could get his trailer in a campground that has facilities. I mean, I think the state gives enough hotel rooms and stuff away. Maybe there's something. He appears to be a veteran. There's a Marine's side he puts up on the side. So maybe the Northfield... Veteran's place. What does that call the next one? I don't know. It's Northfield Veterans. Northfield Veterans or something is over there being there. So you might reach out to a couple of those and see if there's some assistance for this gentleman. But I agree it needs... It's not safe though. Thank you for bringing it up. Yeah, because I know there was someone who lived up on the Berlin path above us and they lived in a bus and they were trying to set up in the Montpelier Park and ride and they were like... Yeah, it's too bad and I feel... But unfortunately, as John mentioned or Don, it's become a safety issue and really can't be... You have right up and down. Are we going to just tell Joe that we're going to go ahead with this morning's repair work? Yeah, I think we've done that last fall. Yeah, it's in our budget. Right. So Sasha, we do want to just reach out to Joe and tell him we can go ahead. I did walk that... We might be over there on Capitol Hill. I did meet with them and we'll talk about that later. Yeah. I guess I did meet with them and did walk most of that road. Yeah, we're going to... Because that's something we're going to be signing off on right now. So in fact, we can go ahead. What should have anything else? No, that's it. Okay, and Martin, do you mind going up as well? So I just wanted to know that you're online, Mike, on the ground. See you out here. Hi, good evening. So we have your permit. I know Ray and Martin both walked with you. Martin, can you sign off on this? Or you have not signed off on these? I just have a new permit. Sasha sent it to me. I wasn't able to print it off on my computer. I wasn't able to view it on my phone. The only caveat I have is the final culvert, the third culvert at the beam of ponds being contingent on whatever the stream alteration engineer recommends. All right. Other than that, I've had conversations. Denise, I've actually emailed with her briefly about it as well, just saying that I'm definitely having no issues with the project. It will be messy to begin with, but I don't have an issue with what is proposed. I haven't been notified in writing what the proposal is, which I thought that there needed to be some notification in writing to joining abutting landowners. This is not the work on the land. This is for just the road permittities. It's not a building permit. The road permit on the legal trail? Yes. Okay, but is that going to impact my ability to access my house? No. So I have not seen a new permit, but there is going to be a lot of truck traffic for this work that I can tell Mike at that time that it's going to have to maintain the whole section to make sure Denise and Wells can get out when they're doing work. And as far as from Wells' house to when that's got the improvements, whether there's any turnout required there, I don't know, but is there anything in the permit regarding the maintenance of the road while this is going on? Is it just tired of the general conditions that when they're doing the road, they just can't, they just can't fix the intersection trail. We're going to have, I don't know how many loads of gravel are going down that road, and that road is not made for that kind of traffic. Correct. I also want to let Mike know that you need to keep the trail from that he's not working on. He has agreed to that, but I don't know what candidates we have in place to make sure that that's upheld other than one of us, you know, checking on it every few days or, you know, units. And is there anything in writing that says that, or is it just word of mouth, honor system? Well, that's something that we can add as conditions to the permit, Denise. Okay. I would appreciate that. I mean, I basically, again, I just want to know, am I going to, am I going to have trouble getting to my house? How am I going to safely get to my house? When does the project start for how long? You know, so that information doesn't appear to be very clear on a road permit or anything in writing that's submitted to the town. And I would think that the landowner, the landowners that use that main trail to access their properties as well should be informed. We just know from experience it's working with top trackers in the area. It's extremely hard to get something perfectly set in stone. Like, we were supposed to have things very starting in April on the road whom we originally applied a long time ago, and they haven't gotten back to us until last week. And then they tell you that they're coming, and then days go by, you don't hear from them, and then they say we're coming to them. So it's really, really challenging. No, I mean, this valley area is calm. It's really good. It's well known for, yeah. So we have given, at least on our end, we've given Denise like a day or two heads up when we know and we've done the best that we can. So I'm sure Mike and Leo will give us the same courtesy and we'll just try to work with each other because we usually get like a six hour of this and they're like, we'll be there at seven and we're like scrambling. Yeah, my goal isn't to inhibit anyone's access to anyone's property. I mean, especially, you know, that's the whole reason why we're trying to improve this is to access our own property. So the goal isn't to do that. And if it does, we know, obviously mitigate that as it comes, you know, so that and with the timeline piece, you know, again, sort of to the point that Jordan Tracy are making is, you know, we're trying to work on, you know, all the timelines that have been pressured around us and we're communicating as much as we possibly can when we see and receive information. So we're trying to go above and beyond to make sure that people are informed and communicated and aware of our projects and ensure that we're on the right page. So maybe tomorrow, when you guys are out there, Ray and Martin. We could update any conditions on the vaginal permits that you guys feel. And then we get together in a couple of days, I was running on Zoom to approve everyone's permits. Like, we can do that with you. I know you're in Connecticut, so you won't be there in the morning, but both Ray and Martin would want the project with you or the road with the trail with you so they just so they can collaborate themselves and say, all right, this is what we want to see and take into consideration what we've heard as well. Go ahead, Elise. Sorry. And since the trail improvements past my driveway also are in a wetlands preserve, doesn't there need to be a permit, a wetlands preserve permit to improve that part of the legal trail? And where is that? That's something I can check with. Jaren should be able to help me to clarify that. I mean, right now I can tell you that there's significant erosion happening on the legal trail because of the water that's running down the middle of the road the day that we were there was raining, so it was an actual good time to see what was happening. And there was a lot of water running down that road and doing some damage even when we were there. Theoretically, the proposed work should alleviate a fair amount of this erosion sediment that's probably impacting the waterways, but I can't answer that question as far as well. You can get an answer to that question whether there's an investigation, any kind of welling that's permanent. When I'm walking, I do not see anything in the pound right away that was a wetlands. Right, right. Unless it's way up by the beer park, it's not always the beer park. The section I walk, the wetland was way outside down. Yes, down. Yeah, because that's the main thing is we're really just upgrading the town's infrastructure in the right way that's there and present for the last, you know, probably 150 years or so. I will say that is something to keep in mind when we read tomorrow. We do have a copy of our delineation opportunity so we can look at where the wetland does cross the river. And it's places where the buffer zone is. And in Wartown it's 75 feet. So we have wetlands that just look like grass and we have to stay 75 feet in there. So we would have the same issue. Is this for logging? Is what this is upgrading the uh. Is it for logging? So now you're going to upgrade a whole other section of the road without a permit is what you're saying? Yes. Because I was not in the assumption that it was for logging and you just told me. So you're not changing it at the road or the road or a steep course. So you guys can just see if there are any other things that you need to actually permit. But again everything should be fairly straightforward for you. What is the purpose of maintaining this property out there? It's his property. Well you can walk it. That's what they had to do on Google trail 17 and walk it. Well that's not Google trail 17. Actually it is. Because it was town highway 49 back in 73 in Wartown and it was also 49. So it's still the same place. I can show you that. So does it make sense to consult with the wetlands? You know that's what Martin is doing. Okay but before the permit gets approved. So Martin if you want during our survey we went through with the company that had a wetland specialist that when we first initially went through this we can link up and get you that documents of what we already have with and see if that will assist in this venture. But it is. You are doing logging. Isn't that what I read a while ago? Yeah right now that's the point is to do some silver culture on the property and bring it back to a place where we can use it for our kids and family and enjoy the the culture that you guys have built there. Very good. So you guys can do that. We'll get together in a couple days over Zoom. Otherwise you're welcome. Is that all right? Is that all right for you? It's fine with me. All right and Mike is that all right for you? It works for me thank you guys. All right thank you. The other we do have another curb cut doesn't look like there's anything Martin you saw this is on Jonesbrook Road. Yes the only cab that I have there is I didn't meet with Jared Borg. There because that is also another stream that I wasn't comfortable sizing and he's recommended a three foot minimum culvert so I just rolled it in on that permit. That'll just be a stipulation of the curb cut. And so do you go back in when you go back and after that's done and spec up? Yes I will see. Okay that says it's time to make sure I guess. That's off of class three road. Correct. Not classical. Correct. But they pay for that culvert right? Yes. Yes they pay for it. Yeah they pay for it. Great so good. Yep they do. Okay I think that's that's and I don't have anything new to add so let's go ahead. I'm going to swap this around to old business first. Nothing about our public of trails we have enough discussion tonight. Blink and lights we've heard about. Sasha website Chuck is getting you some questions to ask. Yes he's working on some questions. All right so I want to try to get that done if we could by August so we can award a contract there. Install a more project. Ray I wasn't here last time. You just give me a quick update on that. So I believe right now they're working on getting documents repaired so it can go out to get it when we're ready. So they hired any I believe they hired a we we were supposed to have a meeting after the last meeting and it got canceled because of the regional planning the business manager could not attend so we have not had a meeting with a new engineer to get a timeline on when we can have the final document to give it out to them but I believe right now the plan would be to get the documents ready get it out for bid for construction in May next year. Okay so the site visit you said probably at the end of this month or early in July. Yeah all right so that's me. Yeah as in all of this since I had a conversation with the town garage I actually have I found someone who maybe can help us so I'm just giving an update I found someone and maybe you could also show me he said there's something 40 feet up in the air. Yeah the tremor works but I haven't addressed yet. No no I mean maybe when I showed this guy. Yeah that would be yeah. We can borrow this 40 foot one. I did when I talked to Joe yeah I did tell him I told him to get your contact review that you don't have to go in our garage. Oh okay tell her well this is the angry guy so I might be better for that. Right yeah that's the long way up it is. Yeah and the other thing we just have one old business planning that we'll just you know let's this is you know another future thing like it's almost like the town hall with the town hall is happening now with the futures now but you know the whole sandpit town garage discussion that we have every once in a while if we can just keep it on the radar screen that you know maybe this board or future boards will slowly but surely start to address you know relocating both you know at least the sand if not the town town garage as Stefanus said he'd love to relocate the fire company to the town garage and then we could use this building for something else but you know there's always you know we do a lot of stuff every day I understand that we gotta keep the nuts and bolts going but there's nothing wrong with you know nothing wrong with thinking about it you know especially when we put the storage system in or something and you know the stormwater system I don't know something think about how it says when we went to build the town word we had a nice site I know we did well I hear you but hey first you don't have to succeed try try again right all right so yes I will uh suck your money out of that so business so we have no thank you thank you pardon what do you have um for some I have a couple I know just to go over the uh so nobody wants to talk about class for me with trails anymore but I have a phone call from someone named Riley that summers on Lynch Hill he's called about wanting to add a culvert to the top of Lynch Hill currently there's three water bars I think that are basically do the job um this location is near the top I've been told um he's looking to add a culvert so I'm just looking to get you know feedback from the board as to what they would like me to tell them or whether we're so I see you shaking your head why why why because there are enough I feel like I mean going all the time I don't know anything there's enough water bars coming down that hill there was all the bright work on that hill and I know the culvert up there that helped get torn out because it sunk in at one point in time I mean the amount of distance he comes down is literally across from the band just right across so he's right at the very top and for summer I mean the amount of rain that comes down that hill I think it's fine I agree that we did a lot of work on the Lynch Hill and it's really holding up yeah every time we put a collar out there within a few years it's either collapsed or it's it's fine so and since it's only summers I mean the only time that section of road is really dangerous is in the winter I mean the main piece he would come down is a sheet of ice from February to April and it's just summer I don't I don't see any signs I'm fairly neutral I think you would have a hard time getting of course we have a standard of a minimum of 18 inch culvert and I think you would have a hard time getting it in there because of how much ledge is in that road so that would require multiple loads of gravel to get enough cover to do it I believe without looking at it I can't say and even looking at it you're not going to know if you're going to get ledge you know a few inches in or a foot in but I I don't really care one way or the other I guess if the caveat being the water bars work culverts work well when they're taken care of when they fail they fail fail miserably and it will so he doesn't like the water bars and because they literally I see them drive by and I worry because we split our wood right up on our property on the top of the hill and I worry driving the tractor down the hill and I drive it down but I'm going to hit one of them coming up the hill at 30 miles an hour so I mean it's a steep hill we all we all did the site visit with the grant work it's a steep hill they're coming down so you don't look a lot of work slow down yeah well if the water bars are working and history that tells us that they need to be replaced and you can't put it in so right I would say what's working up there when like I said you put thousands of my grant money up through there so that leads into my second question at Lynch Hill which is a class 4 in Brownsville what we did yeah yeah both those roads desperately need to be graded to keep the shape right now they're both get enough traffic that basically the tire tracks squish out the road and so now you have wheel tracks that the water is just following so without a rating what they're going to deteriorate rapidly from here unfortunately I'm quite certain to even grade them I would have to put at least a lower material into your truck so I don't first question I guess is whether the board is even amenable to be grading them or second question is if it's not able to do it without adding material right if you wish to add material as needed first is it gradeable? I don't know because it's been graded before with the great grant work when we added material it was graded it's just the wheel tracks are have you know done their damage in the water is now following the wheel tracks so just attempting to get a crown back in those two sections and this is um you should mention what was in the Brownsville so is it class 4a or b these are both b so b is is categorized as ungradable we know in your main that's correct right it's no anything because you I thought I was sorry no no just that you can't grade b means it's ungradable these were both ungradable before the grant work that we did so four years ago five years ago we had right back-to-back grant recipients that we see our acp through some money at us for um class 4s right so in our policy we can upgrade the four b's for four a's in the caveat I'm done right the difference between the two is ungradable and ungradable or at least that's the policy correct so if they aren't gradable then why don't we go ahead and um just basically be shaping them up to the best of my ability but I haven't even drawn up Brownsville in a couple weeks at all and that place I mean that was as rough a road as I oh yeah um where do you find it so that would be only b from River Road to the end of our grant work so where that ends won't be graded the entirety of Brownsville will not be graded just yeah no exactly just that bottom section basically the top of Brownsville is ungradable is a mess it's a mess all parts of jumping right out yeah so it would be like a class 4 a to where the grant ends correct b because we added material with the grant yeah no and then it would be a b after that correct and it will not get done so it'd be the same with Luchel it would just be that correct to basically to the top of my head I think that makes sense to preserve our defense that if we don't it will deteriorate rapidly from here and there's no guarantee that it won't anyways but it gives us a chance at least now that's salvage some of ours those are pretty good I mean this yeah they came out both came out quite nice things may I add that the select word needs to like start maybe meeting with you on an annual basis or bi-annual to start upgrading this these things and upgrading it on the website so it's a class a class b class 4 road you know like make it part of your real maintenance policy or something that you have an annual meeting or bi-annual whatever it may be and it's like we're really behind the ball of this I mean it really can I say something yes I'm a ball just about a volunteer in this board and I've been at a lot of god damn hours here and I'm really getting tired of being well the select boards do this let's do that I'm we're going to respond to it I really am I do my job as best as I can Travis it's a volunteer job you know what that we are kind of say I'm just saying that it would be a trap well you're not even following our policy well we do follow our policies Travis and you know what and yes we really do the criticism comes down I am sorry for that great I understand no you guys are volunteers right you don't want to take a scan of my personal time double checking doing my checks and balances of what's going on here there's a lot of talk behind closed doors in here there is no there is Travis you come up with these theories and you know what I mean I really you know what I have a lot of fear thank you you have not had enough discussion tonight thank you appreciate it so um thank you very um as well for your evidence time and again uh I certainly in respect and thank everyone for the time and efforts that you gentlemen and ladies put in here certainly nothing is perfect but we are striving to do the best that we can at all times and be fair and equal to all and I think we do a great job of that thank you Martin what else did you have with us okay so just to clarify you are okay with me grading that yes in using some mature if I have to yes minimal amount okay um the really biggest reason I came in tonight is um a new truck order um typically I'd be waiting till fall um budget season to be asking for the purchase of a new truck um cabin chassis are almost two years out so we could order it today and we wouldn't see that till 2024 um did you get price protection not on the truck no they will not do that um so just bring trying to bring it to the board's attention um that we basically need to consider you know at least getting an order in um I've only talked to a couple truck manufacturers I haven't done pricing on all the only two that I think will allow us to basically put our name on us on a build and get on the time is um um um Clark third now allegiance truck and um ATG out of New Hampshire that'd be a western star or freight liner um with the caveat that we get voter approval and then the purchase is complete if we don't get voter approval then they would just allocate the truck to somebody else um right if you're two years out they can sell exactly they anybody that had anything to sell right now would sell it in a heartbeat um the trucks we order are completely standard trucks they're not I mean they're automatics but there there's nothing that would keep them from being able to move into another town the last two trucks that we purchased have been stocked trucks that um Clarks had built and we purchased from them so that's why our time trains worked out so well quite honestly we probably should have been looking at this last fall um but it wasn't aware until this spring how dire the uh cabin chassis market was and that's across the board on on all so you know I know Stefan's been talking about that with basically um cabin chassis so I mean obviously we're going to make a decision tonight when I get some numbers together um so we have at least a few bits the only thing I will at least on cabin chassis um Tenco and Fairfield which were competing um body manufacturers and like and plow and wing um built are both folded up and out of the state now um so they're in New Hampshire working out of the same building um working for the same company um but to be uh viking which is what we've been running for the last three trucks they're they've gone up over 20 about 20 grand in price for their product and I don't know if that's due to being basically the only it's probably to or just to be an old town plus inflation plus and stuff so we're um the truck is right now about 135,000 and the body is about 92,000 for a grand total about 227,000 um before trade um but we'll get 40 to 50,000 probably in trade would be my guess depending on you know maybe less depending on how I mean it used to be up to some now we're okay so actually we're so but the trade wouldn't be for two more years correct so we have two years so I am not um that concerned with their the 2015 Mac is the oldest truck so it's basically it's a 2014 it was bought in 2014 it's just here so it's basically what we're looking at eight winners on it it'll be have nine probably 10 um before it goes and it's held up remarkably well so I'm not that concerned I mean obviously there's always things that are going to pop up with old if you don't like that but my big concern is the next truck in line um you know put that on now we put off that much longer so we may be looking at two truck payments and ideally that would be my recommendations as like in 23 24 or 23 and 25 something like that I don't like it um but I'm more concerned with the 2018 international than I am with the 15 yeah really holding up yeah it's gonna have some troubles um whose truck is that it's the one that's shown and that truck is currently sitting in the legions waiting on a head on a head yes so that was the first when they changed over the engines right yes it's a 7600 Rodney's truck is an HV um and that's held up also on truck has been kind of like the 2007 international that we had that was kind of just had just minor stuff just but almost non-stop but his truck's been there for about a month waiting on a head under warranty but in its national back order and it's the 28th that on the list so they can't give me a timetable of one last 28 from the list on the list for a back order so I would venture a guest that the international has a national back order that they're reluctant to put out and they're trying to come up with a fix before they put their heads on it so yeah he could run the truck around here he plowed all winter with it no problems month season came he started hauling on the interstate hauling up on the interstate raider radiator hold blue ones we put new hose and new plant on it here it was you know something you know um same thing ran it around here for plowed a little bit more month season went for another load a couple trips in blew again so then we sent it to allegiance who did basically what we did checked a few things but posing clamps on it and the new overflow full canister got it back rain fine around here got on the interstate blew again so I sent it back up there told him you know need to figure it out yeah and they supposedly did just a minor crack in the head supposedly so um well hopefully by fall we get that if you were going to order a truck it's two years out I mean I guess I probably know this one so anything we ordered even just falls I have to agree you would have to do a deposit is that you definitely got a positive I think that they would be willing to wait for payment until a voter approval would hinge on voter approval right I mean for voter approval in 2023 yeah but at that point you would have to give them a deposit probably yeah we don't they're actually requiring deposits and the lawyers they haven't had to they haven't agreed from the town right and you have over approval there they're good with it and we have a good relationship with these right these men actually they are you know Clark says now a legion so it is different but same people there right um but to what you're saying we really should get something ordered by this fall because it's just within it goes out ideally within the next month for now we would have to be able to at least get our names on the list which would require us to commit to a build or a cabit as you can't uh let's figure out this you and I talk and then through and we can bring it back and what you need for information for something as we based on what you're telling me it really doesn't matter what the final price is this is not the final price it's not it's not the the body and build uh Viking is the only one I've got the price on um because that's what I prefer for a bill since they are lost in um obviously I'll check price and the other two but um they will walk in on that price now so that's good for all right but the level why I said we should I don't know how you can qualify with you know right what machine you know like because you don't even know the final price you know so let's figure out how we come up with an RFP to answer what questions we need to have answered okay and then the last thing that I have um is the um gentleman on spillway road the spillway road um oh he stands very low place yeah I don't know if anybody's noticed the trees dragged to the apron and storm oh one and a half that uh the soft tree there yeah the gentleman at the end you know hooked on doing with his pickup truck brought it brought them from his land but was that where he deposited them on in the right way for the town so uh if we can reach out to him I just let him know it's not acceptable yeah I was wondering where those yeah he comes to and uh if he squabbles uh Mark Austin actually witnessed him yeah do it and so have we been even a quick fellow uh saw our stuff down he dust down that area for him um no I've not done anything down on that end yeah when Mark could ask at some point at some point I'm not okay I don't know I haven't been wet so I don't know to go right but yeah so we could throw some for like poor I down there at the time all right anything else no I can track is he oh is he okay um so why don't we go ahead we'll have to move into executive session but let's point out does any other public stuff going on that I need to do Martin we're all good do we have any business all right so let's um go ahead and move into executive session um I have a quick question before you go into executive session it wasn't clear to me um did the road permit get approved or is it pending the walk tomorrow and that thing got approved today it what nothing was approved today okay thank you yeah thank you well everyone uh so make a motion to uh leave uh public and more executive session for employee relations you coming back out of executive session and then in German yeah is there a second any further discussion I'll bear and I'll invite Martin in run me as well thank you thank you thank you