 Hello everybody, welcome to the Procrastinators podcast. It's me, Hippocrit, the guy, and we've got with us a big packed car, we're on a summer vacation, it's all hot and sweaty in the car, we're all like, we're all, yeah, there's too many people in here, we're sticking to each other, it's gross, we've got Munchie here. I'm a sequel of 9-11, like a soft reboot, you know how like Godzilla solely went from being an antagonist to a protagonist, that's like 9-11 to me. We got Nate. I am the best Jihadist ever. That's great. This is the terrorism episode. We got Davoo. Munchie, on your comment about how Godzilla went from bad guy to good guy, Rambo is similar, he starts off as just like a violent maniac antihero in the first movie, then he becomes a hero, then he becomes sort of a mixture in the fourth movie, Godzilla and Rambo should actually do a crossover, they have so much in common, they're both accidental byproducts of war. So what you're saying is you're a soft reboot of the holocaust, Davoo? Sometimes. We have Mage. You're all weenies? Oh, fuck. That's a word, I don't see it. Mage coming out swinging. We have a tongue. Everyone has been saying a lot of words in these intros, and I find them to be overly verbose. Oh, the spirit is lacking. Bad show. And the man of the fewest words, Ben St. A man of no words, preferably. No, there he goes. There he goes. Look, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. He was doing the joke, and you interrupted his silence. Well, I didn't. It was the funniest thing of all time. I was proved to the fool. All right, everybody, today's episode is confusing because some people think it's called words, but it's actually language. Language in general. I mean, I can go on for ages. I have notes written in language in words about language and words that I will get to. Maybe. There's so many people here. I'm doubtful that I'll actually get to have this view. You have the mic right now. Go. Just go. Just start. All right. Oh, wait. Urban dictionary, though. Computer language. Am I right, gamers? Break the structure. Break the structure. Check it out. No, language. Urban dictionary. A way of communication. The leader of this episode. You can't just take over. But he didn't want to read it, so I'm just doing it anyway. Urban dictionary is a dictionary. Therefore language. Is Urban dictionary. Sweet. Listen to this one. Listen to this one. This is a meme, though. Okay, language. Wait, it's a meme, everyone. What's your fucking horses? Language. What your mother claims movies she doesn't want you to see has too much of see. And you know what? You know what? That leads perfectly into my point. Language sucks, and it's bad, and it doesn't do the job it's supposed to do. Wait, can we quickly segregate ourselves to pro and anti-language? Pro. Pro. Pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. I am pro. What language? If you're anti-language, if you hate it with a burning passion, if you wanted dead. I. I. I. Me. Me. Just the two of us. So those of you keeping score at home, that is DeVoo, Nate and Hippo on the Axis powers, and everyone else is on- No, it's not DeVoo. DeVoo, yeah. DeVoo wasn't actually a... So is it just Hippo and Nate? I think so. Cowardly green boys. Cowardly green boys. The Cowards fighting on the losing side. Cowardly green Jews. Cowardly green Jews. You are the Dark Souls boss to our rolling and stabbering. That is so unique. I never would have guessed that the minority opinion would be that language isn't good. I would have never suspected that. And there's nothing weaker and more pitiful than a Dark Souls boss. Well, I mean, you know, I use a lot of language. And I feel like this. I feel like this. It's like, like, you got guys who are like on the extreme left. Please communicate your ideas without using language. It's impossible. You can't do it. Here's what I'm trying to say. As soon as you explain anything, you've lost the argument. You're using the tool that you hate. That's incorrect. We force this on him. Everybody shut the hell up. Let me make my goddamn point. Everything about happening here is entirely in my favor. Oh, yeah. He's right. Language is a terrible tool. Because it is a translator. It translates thoughts, feelings, and ideas into a package that has to be untranslated by the recipient. And the recipient can, like, misinterpret things. Anything written down. You can't, like, speech is better than stuff written down. But speech is still not as good as just actually experiencing real things. Yeah, well, you know what else? Google and Apple can't release a patch and change the word rifle to water gun. Well, they could, but they haven't yet. So there you go. But society can change it. Okay, wait, why words are better than emoji? Okay, but listen, well, sure. But listen to this, though. It's like people in the far left, for example, like hate. Wait, wait. No, it's just an analogy. It's like people in the far left, for example, hate the Democratic Party because they're not left enough. And, like, that makes them mad at that. Because, like, they're not, they're the ones who, quote unquote, like, represent their ideas, but they don't do it, like, well enough for their taste. In that same vein, I am mad at language. Like, I use it a lot, it is a tool I use, but it's not good enough at doing what I want to do. And that's why, Munchy, you should be on board for this, as should you, Tom. Because what I want is whenever I meet someone, I don't want to use this bullshit language, shitty analog system we've got right now. I want to literally pull out my fucking cord, like it goes to the shell, jack it into your fucking neck, and have the raw, unfiltered data stream of my real life shit go into your body. You fucking coward. Like, what, that's language too. That's a digital language. You're converting it into a computer language. All you're at it. You're defining everything in reality as a language. I'm defining you as a language. You're saying fuck language. Language is a form of communication and doesn't have to be verbally. It can also be thought of as a language. Is every communication language is my question. Yes. Fuck language is just like a hyperbole clickbait, and what you really want is just more words. No, no, no. You guys are dead wrong. You're misrepresenting your own points. Okay, okay, you know what? You know what? 100% of all calamities Listen. Fight same wars as always before by words and language and speaking. I want to predict something right now. I see, okay, I am the greatest mind of our generation. My mind is so vast that it contains all of your own minds within it. I know exactly where this conversation is going, and I already have the groundbreaking point that will smash everything that is about to be said entirely asunder, but I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait on it until later. Please save our mental retardation. Okay, Davoo, what were you saying? You've called me out on that multiple times, and I've done it explicitly to make you upset, except that's not actually true. I say it because I'm just retarded, but I want to hide behind a veil of me doing it intentionally so people will think that I'm cool. Look at these terrible words you're using. I just don't even care about anything. They're all bad. The misrepresentation of points is the reason I don't like what I call language. See, this is the whole point. Language, as I think of it, is like text and speech and stuff, not communication on the whole. Communication obviously is a good thing. What I'm arguing against is speaking and the written word as more specific forms of communication. Here's the thing. Language, well, I'm going to continue calling it language because calling it words and speech is kind of... Yeah, but what words do mean nothing? We might as well, right? That just helps your point. The fact that you guys defined all communication as language... Nate, it's literally called body language. Exactly. There is an adjective attached to that to differentiate the two from just the broader point. It's not even that we are correct and you were all wrong. Yeah, we've got to be on the same page here. It's all like a fucking... It's a mess. I've got so many different specific points to go into. It's all about... I'm going to start with one. I'm going to start with one of my points. The specificity of language is a boon. It helps us to do a lot of things, but it is a curse when all of humanity is linked together. It's sort of... It's weird how it sucks is what I'm saying. It sucks because... Well, just use... Because... Right, first of all, I'm not very good at using it. Look at Twitter, dude. Here's an example, though. I just didn't write them in a way that I could read them. Oh, no. I feel like you're confirmation bias. I didn't write a speech. I wrote, like, here's a point that I can expand on. The specificity of language is... You have words meaning specific things, but it only works in small communities like tribes where everybody can decide on a word. And if a word's meaning is changed, everybody in the tribe can be like, okay, that's different. It's all deliberate. Can I give an example? Can I give an example? That's brilliant. And the bigger the tribe gets, the more people that are supposed to... and expected to use a word, they have to look to an authority, but there is no authority because the dictionary is reactionary to the way people use language, and that just results in divides when people can't decide on the new or the old definition of a word, such as, you know, literally being used in, like, a figurative sense as... Here's a word. It's written in the dictionary now because that's how people have been using it or misusing it. It's just it... Language creates barriers between people because we're such a huge conglomeration of human beings, and it should be for a small... small sections and small communities having their own language. First world problems, bro. Maybe so, but listen to this. Here's the exact... This is a word that the poor definition of it is indicative of the problem with language at large. And I... Like, I think what you guys... with your side and our side will commonly clash over this entire podcast is like, but isn't it better than nothing? And the answer is yes. The answer is absolutely yes, but there are still problems, and I think that's what we're going to be talking about. Okay, here's the word. The word is racism. The word is racism, and the problem is that different, huge groups, for example, in America, use that word in completely different ways, but because there are multiple definitions for that word, it causes huge misunderstanding. See Sky Williams' video on the subject. Is it multiple definitions of the word? There's one definition of... Look at the dictionary. No, no, no. There's one definition of the word, and then there's a whole political subset that has taken that word and changed it to mean something else to... Is that a difference? Is that any way different from having multiple definitions of a word? That's a problem with people and ideology, not with language. That's a problem. My problem is there's too many people using the same language where we should be... Not that we should be, but the way the language was invented... A word only means... A word only means what people think it means, and if there's no consensus on what it means, then it's not useful to use because it causes arguments as well. The problem right now is that there's a big problem because the internet... I don't have a problem... It's made this problem way bigger than it ever was in history. I agree with what you're saying how language has problems with multiple interpretations and how words change over time, but the specific example Nate's using isn't a natural evolution of language. It's a very conscious choice to twist something to suit an agenda. I agree with what you're saying. Maybe that's true, but that is completely irrelevant to the point that just the reality is it is simply used these ways. I sound like the SJW side of things right now, but I don't actually care who's right or wrong about what the word originally meant or who's twisting it for an agenda. All I care about is that there is a miscommunication going on and people are talking past each other and that is the problem with language. That's exactly what Gibb is talking about. Just for example, you've got SJWs... Let me just face this real quick. Just take a second. It's just that you've got a camp that just views the world from a situation where racism means prejudice plus power. Then you've got just this other camp that just believes to their core that it simply means discrimination based on race and power is irrelevant. Because these people are so deeply entrenched in believing these things, it doesn't matter where it came from, this is simply where we are right now. We can absolutely talk about why it's a problem that we got here, but it is the reality that people just can't agree on what they're talking about. That is not a problem with language. That was done on purpose to make it medial. Language facilitates this issue. Let me speak. Let me age. Language is a tool like any other. Blaming language in itself for the faults of humans is like blaming water for people who drowned in it. Just because people can drown in it doesn't mean the water is supposed to be blamed for it. No, no, wrong. Okay, go ahead. The thing I should make my argument more specific, it's not that language sucks. I just say that because that's funny. It's the munchery way of arguing. We're all about the memes here. We're all about the hyperbole. Where are the memes? Well, there they are. We found them. What my point is, is that the way language developed initially was like we were banging rocks together and people were grunting and we were like, what is this thing that is different from this other thing? And they came up with words. I mean, I don't know how it happened, but eventually over time, people invented words to mean certain things and they were like specific to wherever they lived and whatever they had. And that's why languages are like different all over the world. And when a language spreads to other places, it becomes difficult to police like keep the language consistent among all those different places. Okay, but that's not the languages fault. Also like because of the internet. No, this is what I was getting to. My point is not that language sucks, is that language over a large amount of people, like too large, it stops being useful for communication, which was its primary purpose in the first place, is to communicate ideas. Between different groups that are like there's too many people and so many large groups of people have different interpretations of certain words, then the point of language becomes, well, the point of language is lost, like that certain words are not able to be communicated properly between people. They have ideas, they have thoughts, and they're using words that other people don't agree with. If like in a magical world where we didn't need them, we could like telepathically transmit ideas into people's heads. That would be better, not possible. Give me that USB point, boy. But that's my argument. When there's too many people using the same language, it will inevitably stop being useful as a tool. No. Are you saying that we've reached that point or just that will theoretically happen in the future? Have we reached that point now? Is that what you're saying? We're facing the issues as a result of it for sure. We're facing it. It was always time to catch up. The internet was invented just like, how many years ago? Here's why it'll never happen, Mage. This will always be a fundamental problem with language. Okay, to your credit, you do have a point. Given enough words and given enough time to like the reason people write articles, right, to flesh out arguments and they write books to explain things, the problem is there is a fundamental problem with human beings and language because human beings just read headlines. We just read titles. We read like condensations of points that other people present to us. And that is because asking someone to read a fully articulated point. We watch analytical YouTube videos explaining the anime to us instead of watching the damn anime. I mean, that is kind of an issue, yeah. Like, the problem is we're asking too much of the weak flesh of human beings to spend the time to learn things. And people can get over it, of course they can, but they don't, like, enough. And this is a problem that people just don't want to spend the time reading something when they can get a shorter version. My initial point about blaming water where it's the people who are being done. So language is bad because people are lazy. Are you fucking retarded? That's the dumbest point I've ever heard. Yeah. Language is bad because people are lazy. That is your point right now. You guys want to just say that, like, oh, well humans can always adapt and change, but you're not facing the reality. No, the reality is some people are shit and some people aren't shit and that has nothing to do with language. Okay, yeah, I understand what you're saying it's just human nature that that's how people are going to read. But I don't see how that's language, like that's not language is fault. Yeah, actually, you know what? No, no, it is language is fault. Nate, I agree with your point to the point that it proves your point wrong. What you get down to the core of this is that people in their eternal laziness try to find some sort of tool or technique or secret trick to just make it easier for them or to take the effort out of it, like reading the headline instead of the article or thinking it's possible to have some form of word-based lexiconal communication that allows you to actually make everyone understand you all the time. Maybe there's no easy way out, no shortcut home, you just have to learn how different people use words every step of your way through as you go on through life. Words are like a martial art technique you must master it, experience each fight that comes along the way and improvise and be smart. There's no, we aren't a bunch of computers all manufactured in the same Chinese sweatshop, we're not all the same, even if you can communicate dream to dream. Dream brains aren't all made the same, there's no easy way out, you just gotta fucking be smart and put a lot of effort in to communicate all the time. Yes, yes. And the fact that that is all true is the problem with language, that is the problem. So you're saying that language sucks because people spread fake news on Facebook and that this specific problem with like internet headlines, that's the reason why language is flawed. No, no, no, listen, the problem is that language is an incredibly inefficient medium for which us to acquire information and people just don't put in the work to do so and it's because language is so shit at it. Language is fine, but it's the people. No, well, the point is those two are intellect. So what you want is like, is like, you know, like the games, the rating systems for video games or like, no, like content, what do you call it, fair use, fair use law for like internet video. It was made a really, really long time ago and the world has changed a lot and with the internet it has changed really, really quickly in a very, very short time and it's not as good as it used to be at explaining and communicating ideas, thoughts and feelings as it once was because the fact that people argue so much about semantics and getting the wrong words, the words wrong, you know, grammar Nazis, although those aren't really a thing anymore. Like it's, I don't think language should be abolished. I don't think language should be stopped. I don't expect anyone to like stop speaking, but I do want people to understand that talking is not as cool as drawing a picture. I just, I just want people to go back in my life and have real experiences and less talking, less reading, less text. There is a language of visuals. There's a language of visual art. How, wait, wait. I said earlier that I'm talking about text and speech. Visual art is like, I'm not talking about language in general. I have a couple things. I have a couple things. First of all, I think visual language is a double-edged sword because it can be more specific in some ways, but can also be way more abstract than language in other ways. You can draw a picture and it can clearly represent something literally, but if you're trying to communicate something subtextually with an image, it's way more vague than text. So that's a problem, but like, Nate, are you trying to say that the, that your argument is that we need some form of language that instantaneously downloads an entire article's worth of content into someone's brain, along with all the context for every single word choice behind it from that person's point of view? Is that what you want? I am saying, if such a fictional thing existed, then that would be a better option to give people all the information for a point. Sure, science fiction is definitely better than reality. I will give you that point, but that is every, that is my point, that language is not perfect, is my point, and that is it. Congratulations, nothing's perfect. What a completely useless point. What do you want then? You want me to just say, yeah, it's perfect. I guess I'll just say, No, it's not perfect. You guys are literally worse than Hitler. You're oppressing my ideas. You don't care about the Jewish people like me. Why do you want to abolish Israel? Tell me why. I don't particularly disagree with my think of the gospel of truth here, but it's just a gross hyperbole, and I don't understand why you guys are taking this to like the inf-degree. You guys are literally, you're literally just mad that I'm articulating the problems with language. That is you. You're seeing that these problems mean that they are a negative and that language is bad. Do you think that things would be better if we abolished language? Of course not. I think that's exactly what I said. That it's not actually about language just being an overall negative. I said it's a boon. The problem is we came with this from a meme. That's the whole problem. We said a meme that language is bad. That's not actually true. So visual language, right? Visual language. People only taught with the visual language back in the medieval times to like teach the Bible Jesus and I'm thinking, you know. Visual language? What do you mean? Visual communication, right? They just have like fucking stained glass windows to like tell the whole Bible stories, right? Didn't they have the Bible though? Most people couldn't read back in the day. They're all uneducated. That's why all those mobs had to illuminate all those manuscripts. Right. They had to illuminate all those manuscripts. I'm fucking thinking about it. If the Second Amendment had been, instead of any words, had been like a guy just with his family holding a gun and then like a police officer taking the gun but there's a red X over that, there'd probably be a lot less room for miscommunication I suppose. If you think about like, if you go to like a fast food store you see that little yellow sign, it'll say something in Spanish that means you know, don't slip. It could be interpreted as a guy taking away the gun from the officer. I mean that is, it could be interpreted different ways. Like that open, visual mediums just open up a whole like different set of possible issues, you know. But I think I want to say a point though before everyone started yelling. I think language is a tool just like any other, like I stated. You don't blame the pencil if you can't draw, you don't blame the brush if you can't paint. You can't blame the chisel if you can't sculpt. So why are you blaming the language if you can't use it as a tool to communicate effectively? Because when I'm signing a check I do blame the pencil if I use to sign the check because it is not doing everything I wanted to do i.e. actually inking. It is doing a different not as good job as the tool I would deal with. What do you want language to do? A better analogy for that Nate is that, you know language is like a paint brush and like, you know a canvas is whatever. It used to be, you dip your paint brush it's a tiny little paint brush you dip it in and then you can fill in like a square, like a 1 cm square. Fill that in real quick, real easy when the square is small. When the square is like 200 feet long and 300 feet tall and you still have that same paint brush it's the same tool it's just not as effective as it once was. The paint brush isn't the same though there's also a multitude of colors. You don't blame the paint brush, you just blame the situation. The situation is there are too many people who don't like the English language for the English language to be a really good form of communication between everybody. I love the English language as a non-native speaker I really love it because it's so broad and has so many words to describe the same things it's literally like it's almost the same to me as drawing because you can shape your words like your sentences into specific things I like role-playing with people via text because I can shape sentences reading the replies it's like watching art because I love it, I love how unique it can be you got different words for the animal you got pigs and then you got pork because that's the way English evolved is just be peasants used to word pig to kill shit don't misunderstand me I love a lot of things about the English language specifically how looking at a word is like yesterday and then understanding that yester is like a thing you can apply to other words like yester year and yester week seeing how words come into being puns, I love so much of stuff about language and text is there any other language that has puns by the way I'm just curious Japanese has tons of puns Japanese because I don't think Lithuanians don't have puns because I tried to explain to my mother what a pun was because a long story but she seemed very confused I was like wait don't we have puns so if there's any Lithuanians listening right now, if you know any Lithuanian puns please let me know post some Lithuanian puns post some Lithuanian puns in the comments not to be mean or anything but I feel like I'm watching a kid's cartoon and the little imp goes back to evil dark impville and they try to teach only about happiness and smiles what is this sharing you're speaking of what is this? I think we are currently experiencing what my problem is with language and it is a large issue and I'm perfectly willing to say that and it ties into Ben's question that he asked before what do you want language to do so that is a great question and the whole reason for screaming and yelling I think we basically are all on the same page me and Gib are viewing this conversation from the perspective of how things are not perfect with language whereas I think someone like Maze just for example is approaching this as how the world would be worse without language so to have language she sees all the benefits so she's focused on the positives and is like well how can you say language is shit it does all these good things that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say I think because we're approaching it from different perspectives that's the issue I'm sorry I'm sorry if this comes off as shitty or anything I'm sorry if this pisses you off but I'm really waiting for you to get to the point I have many times already I do disagree though on how you describe my view my view is a language is a tool and it's up to the people how they use it if they do a shitty job that's not the language's fault if your point is that language is imperfect then you know gotcha message received podcast over listen though what do you want language to do okay that's what this all hinges on language is what it is again we're talking like spoken written language it can't really change that much you could probably update with Esperanto but there are inherent limitations what I want is a better form of communication that for example so like a different language you're defining communication as language which I think is just wrong because there are things that are not language okay no no now you're hopping I'm telling you right now I'm talking about spoken and written language I don't care about anything else but just now you just contradicted yourself listen have you tell me how I contradicted myself okay well I don't think we agree you don't seem okay I don't get why you don't think that any form of communication is a language I think that it definitely is and I think that yeah text and speech is imperfect and can be improved upon but like it's you're not gonna like you can only iterate on it and make it better you can't replace it with something else that does the same thing but I'm not trying to say it does the exact same thing also listen to the definition of language a body of words and systems for their use common to a people who are the same community or nation the same geographical area listen it's words make up language if you're not communicating with words that's not okay well I'm sure I could find some alternate definitions that do not because yeah that's not the only kind of language there is okay there's one down here there's another definition that says communication of meaning in any way so now here's the question are you wrong or am I wrong or are we both sort of right what's what is it it's up to you to define it like exactly yeah I guess I guess we're arguing across definitions a little bit exactly shitty exactly and therefore a problem with language thank you okay okay well I guess I've been I guess I've been blown out of the water I guess I've been completely that solves nothing that point does not change even we had some magic psychic language where we could instantly say things if I disagreed with your fucking definition of language it doesn't matter if I could understand what you meant perfectly I'd still disagree this is not a this is not a plea to make the world more agreeable this is just like you know sometimes I kind of get mad that people don't agree on words that's all my point well I mean my point is more specific to something not quite what Nate is going for I think but like you know you know the classic thing the pictures worth a thousand words and all that pictures are good they convey a lot of meaning and a lot of things that words can't do quite as well my my favorite expression also well more than that is that if I were to like either like explain a story of like I don't know a baby being born and then the the mother dying or something like a tragic story oh no it's sad if I were to explain that with words even if I was really good at speaking even I was really good at writing it wouldn't work quite as much as like being there and like seeing the tragedy like unfold before you it wouldn't hit you as hard and I feel like not that you're supposed to go out into the world and see tragedy that's not really the good thing that you in fact tragedies bad and please don't actually happen but if you would tragedy spare us I feel like people spend a lot of their fucking time talking on the internet and I think they would be much happier and much more fulfilled in life if they just forget about speaking for once and do something real in the real world and pokemon go I agree with your point but I don't know why you're like you're like you're taking that point and channeling it into like language is bad like I agree that people should go and experience things and not like just like communicate through art or words or whatever okay much about like the abstraction of it but I don't understand why that is focused directly on to language well I think how it is sort of co-opted the my my feelings on the matter I don't speak for myself we just so happen to be like kind of on the same side I'm not like saying language sucks and I don't think we should get rid of language I don't think anything should get rid of language I'm just like wouldn't it be nice if you just sort of like you sit on you sit out on the beach and you sort of look at someone you smile and you can share a moment with each other and it's like you don't need to say I'm happy that you don't need to draw a picture about it you just sort of like you feel it you feel it more innately and more real there are things that words can't describe and those are very cool have you guys have you guys have you guys ever heard the the phrase writing about music is like dancing about architecture yeah yeah I just thought that was interesting please continue I do agree with Hippo and it doesn't invalidate my opinion whatsoever you know what guys I think I want to just say that even if words aren't the best communication they're far from the worst because dancing like interpretive dancing okay let's see she spun around she spun around 90 degrees okay is this Morse oh she jumped oh man this totally is like the fucking renaissance period right oh man here comes some bohemian shaking your hand around a little bit oh I totally understand this language definitely I'm not bored definitely I'm glad you brought this up I feel like we need to dig into the issue like the definition Nate the definition that you were using finding like a linguistic language like English or French but like I think it's more I'd rather talk about language in the more abstract way but there's a thing like the language of like cinema you know or body language or things like that that is distinct from everything I made points about previously I was not talking about anything besides the spoken and written word and I'm happy to talk about that but like those points do not apply in the same way okay well how are you guys pro or anti language in general like the language of cinema or pro language pro communication so yeah well okay let me just say as a larger point so we made a huge mistake about having a serious discussion on this matter by even taking a for or against position it's like this my position here is that there are imperfections with theoretically ideal form of communication I envision in my brain that the spoken and written word have it is not perfect in my opinion these are large issues and they cause big problems we can then but like I want to just identify what those problems are that is what like to say that I'm anti-language puts a huge label on like I'm in this team you're in that team and then we just argue that is a huge mistake if you want to have an actual debate as to like not even debate just a discussion about what the actual points are yeah labels are badly used words no one has brought in the idea that language is perfect besides you like none of us have said that language is perfect in any way that's not that's not I am not debating that you think language is perfect I'm simply saying language has these problems and I think they're a big deal alright well I think we're well I don't think anyone disagrees with that idea but the way you are the way you are expressing it when did I ever say that I very much appreciate that I think I think I think Nate's got us all got you all in a little little trick and a little ruse Nate has been arguing his point by using language really really badly to explain his point to it thus proving the point in an old and reverse double reach around I'm literally a thousand times smarter than all of you you are ants you are babies children before a god we have we've been doing this show changes diaper everyone changes diaper Nate we've been doing this show for over 100 episodes now and in that time I've heard you discuss many a topic and I think this topic more than any has maybe realized with no uncertainty of how miserable it must be to be you sometimes to be trapped in this endless intellectual masturbation of all these incredibly insane ideas and having to just constantly be thinking about them and unable to just like let them go hashtag fucking earned hashtag fucking earned I mean yeah I think about things more than you guys yep that's true yeah yeah yeah what a miserable existence you must lead like you know someone's got to do it someone's got to do it life is not me death is the key from the from the central instrument right here right here I would like to do like like one pro language little points here that I think me and Ben can get into a little on this yes the reason why language is great give me something to sink my teeth into there are big words and there are rare words you have your commoner pig slop speak you have your ands and does and hallows but you bring out shit like kerescaro what's another English pretentious Italian anti-disestablishment Italianism there is a big shit like that and I love I fucking love to break out big words and rare words it's like it's like in a pokemon card skin like a holographic pokemon card you're reading this you're you're listening something he says a big fucking word you go wow that guy's fucking smart and it's okay yeah that that supports my point I'll just quiet I'll just quickly adjust it rather than a language being a paintbrush rather a language is a paint and you're the paintbrush so whatever picture like and it's up to you to paint the picture that you want to paint you know and so language is kind of like that each word is a color and you have to you know make it all and that's quite literal language is like a language is like a bunch of jenga blocks and your and your sentences are the tower oh the curves and they all come tumbling down and you know what and you know what some sort of data link that communicates all context all the points you're gonna make that just I instantly transferred that information would be a better would be a sky straighter that was invincible and indestructible Nate fight me on this how is that how is the data link or some kind of like digital data transfer between my yeah how is that not just using another language how is that not just converting things computer language arguments none of us suggesting you're just arguing your own damn ideas but see but see you saying but you saying that language is good in these ways is in fact I'm not saying we're just good I never said language is good I said language is a tool I said language is good you fucking asshole and I agree and I agree but that's not my point then what the fuck are you talking about that it's not perfect Nate's point is that Nate it's not perfect I keep saying it's a tool you use it if you use it poorly it happens you just don't Nate the problem is that let me let's go back what was last time you bought Pokemon cards I got it a couple months ago and I got a hollow in my first pack why don't you get out of my eardrum it's hurts stop I hate you guys we're just talking past each other I actually have a point to make I just came up with but something I've always opinionated do you really think that I think language has no value even though I distinctly said that that's the case damn it I'm pissed off this is why he wants a better alternative for language because he can't use the one we have let me tell you Nate I don't understand any of your points against me it's just funny the ambiguity and misunderstandability of words is saves as many lives, prevents as many wars as it causes if someone asks oh hey person at the grocery store how are you today can you bring that up can I just I want to go back to an example that you said Nate just not to argue but just to request clarification okay I want to better understand your position for the sake of extending an olive branch one of the first examples you cited was talking about the racism definition and how there's multiple definitions and that causes confusion and that's a weakness in language what I am trying to figure out is saying that we need a superior version of language where we can kind of communicate all subtext and all meaning in addition to the points we are saying but using that specific example if somebody who is like a super far left crazy regressive lefty kind of guy was able to communicate this way and communicated their idea of racism instantly into someone else's brain who had the more traditional definition how would that change anything I am so glad you asked I have a point to make about this I will make it later motherfuckers I am going to say give me some time I will get back to it okay but Tom that's a great question I am really glad you asked here's how I would argue that because people are using for example the different definition of the word racism they are using the same word but they mean different things they are not actually debating the ideas of one versus on the same level so again somebody who uses the older version of the word saying that I think racism is for example saying minorities can be racist and then you have a big SJW saying minorities can't be racist but they are not actually saying the same thing so they are not actually debating the same idea and therefore a real communication a real examination of those same ideas happening if they just knew if both sides knew exactly what the other meant and we removed the ambiguity of the word they could like the person would say oh okay the right wing person would say for example here oh I get it you are saying that privilege is real and I can admit that to some degree but I still think it is bad to discriminate based on race across the board and if the left wing person with the new definition is saying oh okay it's good that you accept that and what we actually disagree on is if the if it's like okay to discriminate against people who have power for example like white people who are the majority in America if we are having that debate that is a substantive debate which I think is just way better do you not think that's happening in the vast majority of cases when this debate is being had because like absolutely not I've read articles and listened to videos of people using the regressive lefty form of racism and I understand the position they're coming from and I still think it's retarded but Tom would you say would you say Tom that even if as you say the majority do that if there's even a good chunk of people who are making this mistake wouldn't it be nice if that didn't happen I mean I can't solve other people's issues of stupidity I think you guys are talking about different things like Nate what you're saying what you're saying is just that the conversation is a non-starter because from the very beginning both when both parties are using the same word the same signifier to mean different things then like no real communication is taking place like it would all be fine if we could like make two different words for those two different things like saying nothing about who's right or who's wrong just the conversation could then proceed in earnest that is exactly right Ben the ambiguity of language is invaluable how our society is made it's the fact that we can say a thing and we can have different ideas of that thing but we can still sometimes still kind of carry along and if we did data link for everything and you're in the store and someone goes hey how are you today and the answer is I wanna fucking kill somebody that would be kind of hard to go to the grocery store but that's actually the most you're saying it's better to not know that there are murderous people around us if you had the ability to just suck your brain right into someone's actual thoughts you'd be running and scampering up down left right for your life that should be like a video game or something you don't have to broadcast your thoughts to anybody I mean even in this theoretical situation what's that thing your fucking your motherfucking a psychopaths civil society where all of our mouths are sealed shut and we all have usb's and our fucking necks bunch of nosy people will start poking around their usb chords trying to like poke you trying to surprise you now I get to know exactly what you're thinking and it's like fuck you I want hate sex with you I'm happy to make hyperbolic statements I like language because language is anarchy that's nice language is anarchy I wanna talk about data link I wanna pick apart the idea I wanna pick apart the idea that we could somehow circumvent an imperfect language this is some kind of data link we can do that if you want but I think that's a huge waste of time because I'm not actually trying to defend this whole podcast this podcast sucks why does everybody think this is a huge waste of time this has been a great podcast I've enjoyed it I just think like to attack this hypothetical system I'm not actually trying to defend a hypothetical system I'm just promoting one way that we could improve language you and not just you you and people like throw out this idea we could just digitize our thoughts and communicate them directly to each other that we would somehow know more about each other but I say that that is just a different version of the same thing because you're still converting to a shared language a computer language and ultimately here's what I wanna throw out or maybe everyone will think it's a big waste of time in which case whatever fuck you what's a language of their own or are they language less different brains are different obviously if we were to date language as it is now is a translation tool to get things out of your brain right but do they originate in your brain do they originate as pure thought or is pure thought happening in an inner language don't you think people will find a way to manipulate those thoughts anyway and just like not be honest in some way people will do that humans like have like fucking glands and things that create emotions I'm trying to think of the words I can't think of words like humans feel lust and rage and sadness and all these things and those are caused by chemicals fill in all those right now well question does an English speaker think in English or do they think in an inner language what happens when you're young before you that's why I'm bringing it up I think you probably don't have specific words for those things I think as we grow older and learn our first language that's how we identify things this is something I've thought about sometimes too I've always thought about learning other languages like people who have learned other languages like your internal monologue is always going on and like mage maybe this is a question for you because you don't speak English like yes she does you don't speak English I don't speak English oh fuck damn my point is that like if I learned another language my brain would probably still be thinking primarily English and I'd be translating to that other language so like is your internal monologue still in Lithuanian or does like English poke in there every now and then actually for me personally can't say this is for everyone because it's probably not but for me personally my internal monologue is English and I usually I default to Lithuanian usually when I start counting things that's usually the only time I feel like the only Lithuanian allowed on this podcast is Lithuanian puns so I feel like there's a difference there's a difference in the brain in the mind, brain, thought, brain, tank between like monologues and thoughts I feel like I don't think in words until I think about thinking in words and then I can't stop thinking in words until I forget and then I'm like oh wait have I been thinking in words all this time or have I been thinking in like just a nebulous sort of feeling the scientific reason for that is because like you have your neocortex which is the newest part of your brain and that's where our capacity for language is but then we have the limbic brain which is where decision making and emotion comes from and that has no capacity for language so when you're thinking emotionally your brain isn't even thinking with words because the part of your brain doing all first part oh yeah and we can notice how signals into and we can brainwave, just blast them with a thing but emotions are sometimes irrational and if you communicate your emotions there's gonna be a lot of miscommunication do you ever fucking notice do you ever fucking notice that like sometimes something will happen or someone will even say something and you have a reaction and only like maybe a second later do you even like realize why you had that reaction like you don't need to like you react to the offense before you even actually understand why you're offended I think it's just because I'm a child I don't know what the problem is well hey let me just throw this out here because I think this this is happening and I just think there's a little bit of talking about it it's probably fine I'm not trying to attack you it's just so like like Gib and I for example say that like okay there's a problem with language and it's this and then like we say like okay here's like what we could consider like a better version so for example you know this like telepathic communication where we can really articulate ourselves and communicate like everything in a blame blast I get it and then you guys in response to that say okay but that has these additional flaws or it's not I'm saying that it doesn't make any sense I don't think it circumvents the problem at all I think there I think it's if you're gonna if the point is there's a problem of language I agree there's there's inherent problems with spoken language and there's limitations would a brain blast be superior in some ways sure does it still have it's still it's still but there are still issues there are still issues even with that because Tom Tom I 100% Tom I 100% I think you are objective okay the specific the specific point I made for example about including like more context like for example the fact that like the word racism again you mean different things to go back to that example is that even even even if everybody understood everyone's context not everybody agrees on the context so they're still not gonna have 100% Tom debating the context my argument is that is a more productive debate than just using the wrong word like that's a step back and I would like to be that step forward where we're actually clashing on the ideas you can say that like that's useless I mean I guess my problem is that like that's an issue that beyond language right because if you really wanted to solve that problem like you could write an article and then you could have little hyperlinks over all your hot button words and explain exactly what you mean by them and then people would understand what you mean by racism you just hover over racism little pop-up thing comes up this is what I mean prejudice plus power and then like you can know that but but what what you're doing is you're offering exactly what I'm offering like a fix to this specific problem sure but I don't I don't involve brain tubes I don't I just don't think that that's I don't think that's inherently a problem with language in of itself like it's a limitation but like it can be addressed I just think that oh it's a limitation but not a problem is that oh I see I see how it is yeah because even even if you you are able to address this with like psychic communication automatically know everyone's context behind it like people still aren't going to agree the problem is the problem this is the problem this we're calling it a problem you called a limitation is the problem just that one has a negative label and the other has a neutral I just don't listen the problem lies within the humans not within the language I don't I mean I disagree for all the reasons I've already stated I think that language is inherently limited that I said I don't disagree that language has problems by the way well that's my point though but no you said language is bad but I I mean I've walked that back it is not bad it is way better than having no language and so let like you win language is not bad my point is just that it's not perfect and maybe I'm wrong I never said that it was perfect there we go is that humans humans are flawed creatures and they you know it's it's okay to blame the humans for misusing words but I feel like like like I said earlier that the usage the point of language is to communicate ideas and it doesn't work on such a large scale as it is in today's age of the internet and everybody being connected does anybody have like an issue with that statement I think the internet as a whole proves that languages doing a damn good job I mean the only I it's not even a rebuttal to that game it's just that like that is a consequence just sort of like as more people from different backgrounds and areas came in contact with each other that was you know that was just going to arise as soon as that happens but like yeah it's basically it's a more archaic form of communication just the fact that we have multiple languages is basically like an archaic thing that they would sure be nice if we could like get past that springboard off that why the fuck haven't we gone like Star Wars or Star Trek and have like a universal basic everybody listen to I constantly think about that Esperanto why isn't Esperanto like funded by everybody and a requirement for for all countries you know why you know why it's because people are tribal and they like their history that's why I don't there's no reason to not just have that in addition to like it should be a fair point people are lazy there should be a stripped down very basic form of language that everyone you know I'll tell you exactly why I would argue like the reason I wouldn't want to do it is because English looks like it's doing pretty well right now I'm just going to hold that hope that English just wins and everybody starts speaking English therefore I have to do as little work as possible I think a lot of people probably hold up that weird utilitarian where are the structural issues in language made like like is there anything inherent to language that makes it undesirable or would just adding more words and more syntax be accomplishing what you want I think ultimately the problem with language is that it is based on like group consensus as Gibb said and just inherently as like if we could theoretically impose some like like French for example French is a language where there is an organization in France that dictates what words mean they have like a body that decides this so in France technically like you know they'll like write in stuff like the consensus just changes and they incorporate scuba de bop that means like a skateboard is just another word for skateboard cool but like in that language you can't just make you cannot like change the definition of a word the problem is that's not enforceable things will just change no matter what you can't even have an organizational body impose from top down what words mean because they're just responding to what people do sounds like the language is reflected by the cultures no one would even think to do that for English because it's like okay it's London gonna decide you think you're gonna have any luck getting America this is all to my point that these are limitations of language yeah but French I mean I'm sure there's lots of French places around the world but it's mostly France right isn't it yes so like France is a big country yeah there's a lot of places that speak French like in Africa there's different French dialects but what's your point what's your point though French can do shit like that because it's a little bit more centralized English can't you know other languages reflect their geographical realities so I think those languages are perfectly fine for those kinds of people the racism problem why can't we just say okay racism people think racism means two different things or maybe multiple different things all you gotta do is just correct them let's just add an adjective oh this is special racism special racism like are there people with the political agenda don't want to do that because they want to manipulate the masses that is true that that is true like when you went out when like somebody says that was racist or like just for example if like this is just a crazy example but like if a minority like kills a white person they say that's not a hate crime because it wasn't motivated by race like even if the person said like let's say this person said I'm killing this white person because they're white that's why I'm doing it like the new definition can make a case that that wasn't a racist and wasn't a hate crime because in their definition it's you can only be racist if you lack social yeah if you lack social power here's my fucking saying with the confusion of words here's why the confusion of words is natural and good and should be embraced people what you're doing is you're doing the fallacy to reframe what I said earlier the fallacy of wanting to have permanent simplifications what I want is interesting conversations it's not like a fallacy it's not like a logical fallacy but it's a what we call a fool's errand to try to find some sort of formula and I know it's a fallacy that programmers especially fall into all the time they want to come up with some sort of formula that just takes the edge off and that's what people want with like communication oh if we just have this perfect formula no no I'm finishing this point so that's the reason why these podcasts conversations because we're trying to like find the perfect like formulation of the exact definition whereas if we just let the confusion reign and just like iron out little kinks as we want then the podcast will be better and if you let conversations and different disagreements like what racism means means you can always make communicating your definition of racism part of the conversation it gives you something to fucking talk about it's a waste of time and if you know exactly how to rebut every version of the wrong version of racism you can already have your prescripted rebuttals ready to go won't even take any effort that's not true in this very podcast I have seen people bring up things that Nate has gone back on like maybe they like what they didn't they forgot about it like like like you saying language sucks like we only said that right at the very beginning that's the one thing I went back language sucks and but like that is like colored the perceptions of everyone and they they they they they hung on to that to to to bring it up and like well I'm framing this from this perspective that you have now gone back on but I forgot or like I didn't listen or I wasn't really just still on this whole case you're still on this whole case of like fucking uh well you know language isn't like perfect but it's not like bad but it's not like perfect like I don't care got him well for somebody who doesn't care you sure talked a lot oh oh got him oh I'm I don't know what you're doing right now I don't know who's been got here the one thing that I feel like is like it's kind of like lawyering it's kind of like the lawyer the justice system and laws and lawyers where that the point of like using co-opting a word and making it have a different definition to push a political agenda is um like just like how law is written to be incredibly confusing so that poor people can't figure it out and they have to pay a really expensive guy to translate it for them sure and um this is this is a really nasty thing and I don't like it these are these are trans issues the fact that someone has to translate I get it oh well and it's and it's it's just sort of like people don't have like say a word is changed like 50 words are changed and somebody just wasn't paying attention because they don't use those words often and then they see they read a thing and it has that word and they're like they're really confused but they don't have like the time or like they're too they just don't it doesn't come up enough in their life to think about all the different things that are going on and keep track of all of them they probably have to pay a guy to to to give them like an update every so often like an app on their phone to like alright here's what this word means now you got and all the books that in the in the past now you know why they're so confusing and it's like wait it's just it's just I don't like it I don't like a lot of it I've got an answer I know why we can't do that thing with racism I know why we can't like just be like okay well now there's two different racism it's because that it's because unlike unlike the French those rat bastards we don't we don't have like a council that decides what words mean right words mean whatever we say they mean words mean whatever we collectively agree that they mean and and that's why there's a disagreement unfortunately there is a there is a disagreement but there's no authority that can step in and be like well here's what it actually means yeah that's the biggest problem but what I think it has been made before there have been new words made so well they weren't they weren't like words to be used by everybody is really difficult they weren't passed down from on high they were like they they like generated I mean except maybe in certain cases they were generated out of the and like and like a grassroots kind of campaign could like you know campaign for a new word or something I mean like one can emerge through social media you know remember there's a book called frindle frindle I never read it that happened do you remember that book The Hobbit the Bible no it's an actual point okay I can J.R.R. Tolkien created a language of Elvish I believe he created a whole language of Elvish that people can study and it's like really funny and they can pretend to be elves and they can speak with Elvish and it's all really funny and cool and the reason that language will never change is because people don't want to be non-canon they don't want to be like that guy so they will always stay to the canon language so there is an authority so Elvish will never devolve into there will never be Elvish like slang I don't know slang yeah I mean you could you could you could have your head cannons and stuff but nobody really want people into that don't really want to do that I actually like that I just enjoy the fact that that can exist an authority that people all agree on like yes we'll stick to this so that if we talk in Elvish we know exactly what the other person is saying all the time in fact everyone should speak in Elvish it's really funny if we start using it we'll just face the same problems we have with English that Hippo Hippo Hippo secret secret club like little languages where you're like I instead of saying hello I'm going to say go go and you know secret languages like that between two people are the tightest form of communication I always prefer that to like the reason why Elvish doesn't change isn't because of like fandoms I think we have experience enough with fandoms to know they missed the point of the work it's the fact that no one is a like resident of Elfland right so like no one fucking is actively like it's not their primary language no one like lives a society of Elvish we only do it in the form of studying there's no people to evolve with right so I think the reason why Elvish doesn't change is for the same reason like I guess Greek probably doesn't change anymore because no one actually like uses it like a real language they just use it as a thing they've studied besides the country of Greece the world country of Greece Latin is a dead language Latin never go yeah that one that fucking one yeah let's all speak a Latin that's an issue with language you know it's brought up how you know the the bibles ran exclusively in land in the olden days and so the poor you know the poor baby bitch fuckers couldn't actually read the Bible they didn't know what the fuck is going on that's a problem used to subjugate people fucking lol haha I did it I'm the anti-language person okay how I have a statement and I want to see if everyone agrees okay we have language it's not perfect false hahahaha we have language it's not perfect if there were better alternatives that would be nice but there aren't any so what we currently have is better than nothing yeah could that agree well I think Nate was like going on this like maybe they could like could we work towards like Starfleek we should starfleek work towards a better version yeah that's part of my statement if there was a better version that would be nice but there isn't oh actually I do know a thing about this I remember reading like an article I read the actual article okay I skimmed it and it was about how like oh man wouldn't it be cool if we instead of like all these really messy languages with all these inconsistencies you know even if you go to like you know Japanese or Korean where it's like hey there's no pronunciation bullshit then it's like oh you know Japanese here's all this kanji bullshit right so it's like what if Koreans got the Koreans good what if we made up a language that was like just technical and accurate and clean with no bullshit and someone like did a study of this they like had like um computers algorithmically like generate some languages and it had people like practice with them the point is what they found and I don't know how tested this was yet but humans actually only really get a grip on bullshit languages because our brains are themselves a bullshit mishmash of billions of years of evolution so like we don't actually we don't actually ever think as cleanly as robots ever will uh because we're just a fucking mess we're a fucking mess genetically you know what the future is the future is like Isaac Asimov where all the kids don't learn English they just learn programming language and everyone has a programming job because that's the only thing humans are useful for eventually that would be useful love the robots people do that it was really sad when I first read it but it's for I kind of I think it's it's just kind of cool how that guy that from so long ago had that idea yeah but I like I like language because like I'm specifically English because of how silly it can get I like the stupid oh whoa and verb and doggo and shit like that I love it it's great it'd be sad to see it go this will be an extremely unpopular opinion and I will be I'll no language sorry I was stretching we'll talk I'll be berated both in the comments in the comments and right now but isn't the sort of uncertainty of language kind of romantic isn't isn't it kind of neat to be able to write down something I'll have it being interpreted in different ways that's like why I think it's good for like having a friend and chumming out and like making a funny joke but when it comes to politics I feel like people should talk in bleeps and bloops it gives rise to like poetry and puns and you know cute shit like that I'm really willing to accept the artistic narrative language language is both an art and a science depending on how it's being used it's funny though like if we're used to it like this like things that are serious being used with words that can also be used to make art but like imagine if like politics was done with drawings instead of you know like if you had your yes finger painting having the deviant art instead of like Donald Trump's twitter it would be his deviant art and people would say Donald Trump's made another mural Trump's made another mural everyone check it out that's why he wants to make the wall so he can put his mural somewhere politics does definitely need to be a much more visual medium than it is I remember back in like 2012 when the great Maramani was all like oh man there's been less oil drilling less American energy than Obama it was like 45% up the previous no it was like 25% down the previous you of the government grants well the government grants went up blah blah blah alright guys you bitches need to have a fucking easel and show us some fucking charts please here's where I will spiral into absolute madness that I deserve to be criticized for but it's like beyond language I get frustrated with facts it's in the sense that I've had enough of these facts but the problem is it's like with language yeah I know I know with this Mitt Rami example like who knows who's like when Mitt Rami said a fact I'm sure that fact was true then Obama raises more facts that contextualize but it is entirely possible that there are yet facts beyond that further contextualize I don't research things what are we expected to do that's why I want to know literally every fact to make an opinion we're talking about cherry picking facts where you present a fact that sounds good without its broader context to give it more meaning the problem is to me you've got guys on the left wing and the right wing and if you just see a fact tweeted by whatever journalist or whatever that's in your team we'll say well you didn't contextualize it blah blah blah a person by doing this first level fact check will feel satisfied but it's entirely possible there's an infinite spiral of yet further fact checkings that need to happen that's because life is complicated and if you want to be informed you have to be the guy that's like you have to sit down for hours you have to do a deep dive on every tweet you have to basically check up facts as a lifestyle in an intuitive sense of it that's the only way to do it this is where it's similar to just my personal frustration feel free to disagree as you have that's why when someone says a sentence when you make a tweet I feel frustration with this I can try to make it seem like what I wanted to and I know that Twitter is limited as opposed to writing a blog post I just want to communicate every fact about this thing I'm trying to say and I feel a deep frustration that it's so hard to do that and you know I know language is a ton of great stuff but I just oh it kills me but it's like oh no no you don't understand like I was actually at the urinal there were just a couple drops so it's not that big deal guys like technically yes I did piss myself and also I was spooked by a clown so it wasn't even my fault there's yet further context beyond this and we can go all day like a clown rodeo as a matter of fact so like maybe I should have been prepared so maybe I'm actually in the wrong here you know we can go all day the problem with language is like the problem with all things clowns over the abundance of clowns makes us all piss ourselves and language is ruined forever at the site of one juggalo yeah well I'm glad we went through with this exercise I guess do we have final points here what language do you guys want to learn I want to learn I like English I want to learn American Sign Language I want to learn Arabic I think that would be really funny more like Arabic Arabic looks really nice I like Arabic I like the way it's all swooshy and swooshy it looks intimidating to learn it probably isn't that's from the early that part of the world is where the first languages even came out of the ground I want to give the Arabic the Arabic numbering system was pretty good so I would hope there are actual language is that what we use 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 wait a minute guys didn't they invent the zero over there too I think it was India actually I think it was zero some fucked up freak as I'm sure everyone knows I wish to continue learning Japanese specifically for just practical and artistic reasons because I think it's cool I just want to be able to listen to anime while I'm doing the other shit same that would be great some of the reasons we talked about having that universal language everyone should learn it it would be great I dab on dubs that's what I have to say to that Ben you didn't talk about how cool big words are with me oh wait I thought you were saying you liked the rare words I prefer a rare word to a big word well okay I agree that rare words are better but big words are also nice I feel like most of the time they're in tandem most of the time the reason words are rare is because they're big and no one wants to say them you like flexing your vocabulary every now and then exactly I love it there's nothing wrong with flexing but I think better than using a big word or a rare word the best thing is when you use is when you need an unusual word to express something nuanced and then you have it and you pull it out at just the right second sure and you express something so nuanced and so subtle that everyone is blown away your vocabulary is right that is satisfying vocabulary is great back in sixth grade there was a vocabulary word of the day and you know you would teach you shit like fey the hell basic bitch shit I wish there was just like was mage there was an opening you can just jump in just jump in there mage I said earlier what do you know what a sesbicodalian is no sesbicodalian I do not your vocabulary eclipses is that a flower what is it well look it up I don't know how to smell that well anyway I'm saying that there should be vocabulary words of the day for everyone u-i-p-e k-d-a-l-a-n it means gay mage is calling us all gay oh how rude no I called you we needs a beginning sesquidadalian spelled f-a-g-g-o-t look at everybody you might you might enjoy that hey Nick can you spell i with me real quick I'm doing a spelling test right now I I don't want to be bullied I won't do it I won't suffer vocabulary is good kids check it out someday words are cool hey have I talked about this before I think this is the time there's a part in the book The Plague by Albert Camus where the main character he goes to like hang out with this guy that he knows and the guy he kind of they kind of open up and become a little friendly and he the guy finally decides to share with him this thing that he's been working on that he's kind of doesn't want to usually talk about but he's like okay I'll show you I'll show you because you're my buddy and he like and he and he brings it out and what it is is this thing that he's been working on for like years is he has been polishing one sentence to be the ultimate sentence like the most beautifully poetic sentence in the French language and it's your mom gay okay well he like he revises it a couple of times so I'm not sure if this is the original but it doesn't matter the sentence is more or less one fine morning in May a slim young horse woman might have been seen writing a glossy sorrel mare along the flower strewn avenues of the Boudou bouillon ah that's pretty good that sounds pretty good yeah I liked it the horse boy fucking a horse and he says that one day when it's perfect he'll bring it to the publishing house and he'll show it to them and everyone on all the publishers will stand up and say gentlemen hats off hats off it's like that family guy the best joke ever which is guess what chicken butt that's it family guy is basically a modern day Albert Camus here's languages fatal flaw the word nautical does not mean radical nautical by all rights by it's birthright deserves to be a cinnamon for like sick or a cinnamon you say? how delectable a cinnamon it deserves to be like dude that's fucking nautical bro yeah dude fucking it shouldn't it be the opposite of radical or you can be nautical no no I think I mean that's good but I think it should be like reserved for when we invent underwater skateboarding yeah real quick like not surfboarding underwater skateboarding like with really heavy wheels yeah imagine grinding upon the great barrier reef right into a shark the great barrier reef is like gone now right like it's completely dead that was because of all the grinding of the skateboarding people are doing we need to stop I feel like we're peter and out here fam what do you think I think we need to close out we need to close out with teaching everybody a new word right I just did you didn't tell us what it means though that's cute and all let's talk about a really important word that Nate taught us before the podcast began it's Alexa Alexa'd yeah commanding a person like you would command an Amazon Alexa kid one mom stop and mom did stop talking kid two wow mom he just Alexa'd you truly language is evolving in a beautiful way about nuclear gaming you know that also there was a gif of Ed Sheeran under that definition I don't know why but it was there and we all have to live with that well I feel Alexa to getting to the god damn I was planning I actually like signed up on to this episode so I could talk about like free speech and where those people draw the line between free speech where you can and how it relates to words so we'll save that for another episode free speech guys that'll be a PCP episode at some point that's a good idea I like doing that we should write that down yeah add it to the list I actually did it while we were going off his five hour inane whether or not words are perfect thank god something was done today I'm literally Starfleet okay go on go on that's the word I'm bringing to the table magic harp try and figure it out it's like miniscule only a magic version of being miniscule very close it's the opposite of miniscule instead of saying capital letters you could say majuscule when are we gonna get some majuscule reviews that's a good example grade that's fucking sick I should definitely do that now that's a great idea and what is something that's big other than something that's small that's magical rayman 2 everyone rayman 2 come to next video well gone nobody cares about rayman 2 except for you no it's rayman 2 they're cheering they're clamoring for a hippo outside of my window there's just a crowd full of what god do I mean rayman 2 we're done we've had a lot of fun here today but it's time to get serious time to close time to nut up or shut up before we get to questions me and you Nate have followed that we need to settle that's right everybody if you listened to last week's episode munchie and I made a sacred pact that we would be a healthy boys in different ways and made some health resolution so let's lay our cards on the table munchie what was your thing and how to go my resolution was that I would not drink a single carbonated drink because I've been drinking too much energy drinks and I'm happy to announce that I have not drinking a single carbonated drink since that recording until now look at munchie go there he is well you know there's nothing wrong with taking a cheat day you know or a cheat meal wait munchie how's it taste I feel so fucking good he's a lost cause he's a lost cause so to check in congratulations much you've earned it you've earned that so my thing was I swore off sugar and it's kind of hard to avoid sugar just forever so what I defined that as was I defined it like anything with additional sugar added to it yeah I don't know if I agree with that definition of sugar I think we're gonna have to well I mean like you're gonna have to have some psychically connected language here to get to consensus on what sugar means well I mean there is no consensus I make the rules and this is what they wear to me sugar is sexist language and I should so here's how it went it went great until Thursday and here's what happened I was at the grocery store I was buying nutritious food with no sugar and I simply walked by my mind was absent my balls were empty and I walk by like a free display giving away little donut pieces little cookie pieces and I just don't even think I just say oh cool free and I take a piece and I eat it that capitalism just overwhelmed everything yeah and next to it and then I take a cookie there was these little like cranberry cookies and I just eat that I continue on my way don't even think of it and then I realize like a fucking shock from God I've done this before it is the worst I almost did this too it's funny that like you guys did like a diet thing or like a good boy thing because I've been doing a good boy thing for the last week as well I've restarted doing intermittent fasting because I enjoy doing it a lot yes aren't you skinny enough dude no I have to lose at least I'm like 220 pounds dude it's disgusting 220 pounds? you're also like 6 to 2 so yeah that's not even yeah that's true I forgot the scale doesn't care how tall you are so you just you only eat in an 8 hour window and it's fast for 16 hours and it's fucking great I did it for a week and I almost did that because I've been going to the coffee shop and they had like little free samples I almost grabbed one have you been weighing yourself my scale is broken but I feel significantly better and that's enough for me okay so intermittent fasting sounds really great but okay because I'm never hungry when I wake up in the morning I don't want to eat until later in the day but isn't that like what they say not to do don't they say to like space your calories out over the day or something do something like metabolism usually they also suggest to not eat like 2 or 3 hours before going to bed or something like that the science behind quote unquote the science behind this it's like you have there's like a when you start you're like metabolic whatever like when you start digesting things like it goes for like I think like 10 to 12 hours and then it stops and anything you eat after that like doesn't get properly metabolized or something so like you're you're designed I guess designed not to do that so I'm just eating it 8 hour window to make sure that that doesn't happen I guess I don't know I guess that makes sense I've done it before and I lost the fuck time to wait just doing it what was last week's topic that you guys were like doing good boy thing I wasn't on last week so I was just drugs I guess that would be the topic we had to we had to detox after that podcast yeah that's right I'm so glad I wasn't part of that podcast it's been very fun for me in terms of eating food and today I've been eating nothing but cake so because it's my cake day yes it is by the way just continuing going forward I've made a resolution I'm just I'm giving up additional sugar just forever I'm just I mean you know one day I'll probably go back on that but just for the future I'm not putting sugar in anything I'm not eating cake I'm not eating anything that has sugar added to it I'm like the biggest thing I might do is I might indulge in a glass of fruit juice I may do that because that's not that's not like additional sugar it's just the fruit but I'm gonna try to stay away from it do you wash your teeth though? juice is bad for your teeth fair point as is coffee which I have been drinking and I wanted to wait for it you can just like brush your teeth an hour after you consume something sugary and by the way since I'm doing this anyway I'll check in everybody I'll let you know how the sugar things going if I fail I'll let you know I wouldn't throw my hand in the ring but honestly my life is just worse I'm drinking carbonated drinks so I'm not gonna do it I'm like my hero Thanos I'm willing to take personal sacrifices to achieve the greater good as soon as I watch infinity war I'm like this is Nate's OC it's Nate it's not even like the whole that kind of movie I was just like Thanos is more wonderful that's just my head mate he's my head mate no more infinity war, no more I'm good too I want to say I'm a good boy I started tracking my calories again fantastic but I'm back great then what is the fear to track cocaine poor oh yeah are you working out Ben are you lifting I did a bit ago start again and then I stopped again but I mean to start again and I feel like I've still got a little bit of that momentum but yeah so I did for a second but I didn't keep up with it why does working out suck so bad it feels good actually today I will do that after the podcast fantastic I've been personally I've been adding running to my lifts to my excess feels great but whatever let's move on hold on what is the pulling out your beard hair about like I've never had before in my life what's why oh god do we have to talk about this embarrassing yeah I fucking yeah I have like a nervous I have like a nervous tick that I fucking pull my hair out I have a worse nervous tick I feel better my nervous tick is I bite the shit out of my lips until they bleed oh my nervous tick is I scratch my face off my nervous tick is that there's a tick who lives in my head who's just very anxious about life that explains a lot about life I have a very nervous tick which is that I grind I do that too but yeah I let taboo say I grind my index finger into my thumb on my right hand and if you do it for only like a minute it creates a little groove so even though I was only nervous for a minute I now have a like a bubble wrap popping tick to keep grinding into it making it worse right hippo the hair does grow back but like if it gets bad and it does a lot lately I will pick like a small patch or even sometimes like a really big patch like it has happened before that I have picked off like a large portion of my face has been like plucked free of beard hair due to my fucking brain problems well wrap it wrap it I know but like just get into the habit your hands can't stand against your face if they're wrapped around your cock it does grow back but if I do it if I do it too much of it too fast it will leave like a bear patch and then I'm like well I can't fucking walk around like this and then I have to shave my beard because Ben you don't go anywhere well it just makes me sad all alone you should wear a coat for your beard Tom I bite the inside of my mouth all the time and I'm constantly pasting blood based on oh god that would drive me crazy I bite my nails I bite my nails it's pretty bad sometimes it's bad shall we get to let's hey up there it's very bad for you you couldn't be more right I stopped so hey everybody yeah but I'm not Michael Jackson of two hands that's my excuse listen everybody hashtag askpcp twitter at tpcrastinators here's some also in the patron discord $1 pledge to our fucking patron you're in there and we'll read more questions here's the pity question and we don't need to spend a lot of time with this because I'm looking there are like no good questions but here's the one that's like sort of good you're all gonna hate me but I'm gonna read it anyway zero just asks if giving up a year of your life advanced human progress by 50 years how many years are you willing to give up to get closer to those advantage you're waiting for and what are they? well zero unless I thought that like within a window that I could buy with that time we would hit the singularity that's the one that's the thing my question is do we advance instantaneously like would I be living in a society 50 years more advanced by giving up a year of my life or would it just happen somewhere down the road because if I don't get to experience it but if I could give up a decade and get a robot body instantly therefore living forever sounds like a fair trade yeah I mean I'd do that I guess the question is do we think we're gonna hit the singularity within like I don't know let's say we all have like 50 years left so like within 2,500 years will we hit the singularity I would give up one year if the advancement of humans by 50 years destroys hypothetical questions come on you know even if the singularity you and Digi are I have an ethical problem with people that don't like hypothetical questions I don't like hypothetical questions these are so cratic exercises disliking of hypothetical questions is just evidence of a small mind the thing about this particular one is it's just like here's some numbers which number no it isn't it makes you fucking think it makes you fucking question your value I'm not thinking I do like certain types of hypothetical questions like the ones that like give you really bad options and then like makes you mentally suffer for them I hate those I like the ones that makes you think like this one is fine but the ones is like oh would you kill one baby or would you kill like three babies I'd definitely kill three unless we have the best I like that one that's funny what does it mean to progress by 50 years this isn't vague at all yeah this isn't very vague here's hypothetical what if like the Simpsons were like in Undertale though crazy guy what if well Nate first does have yellow skin so perhaps that's not as far fetched oh my god we're in Undertale Homer we gotta get out of here back to the original hypothetical question like if let's say I give up a year and like I see the advancement happening like immediately and would I still have the option to give up one more year after I see what's happened within those 50 years that is a good question I don't fucking know that actually does make a big difference yeah because let's say if I could see what's happening this is the reason this is the reason why I don't like hypothetical questions at least of this kind it's that sometimes the question like if you're not with the person who made the question you can't clarify and then you are just the discussion is about I wonder what this question actually means yeah I mean I think I'm just straight up heard the question wrong what exactly was the question it's giving up a year of your life advanced human progress by 50 years how many years would you give up yeah that's too vague I insist that that is way too vague you guys oh boring let's get on to the other questions other questions this is a significantly less boring it's fun to think about though I agree anybody fucking looking at the goddamn question I'm looking at it what do you got for us I'm looking at it I don't fucking have anything are you joking me there's a question is it nature's fertility or just really like cake both um yeah that's good that's good substitute the word birthday for cake day because it's more fun that way um okay I'm just like looking for questions someone asked me Kajaro Bitterthorn said if you inquired a shit ton of money what would be the one ridiculously indulgent thing you'd want to do I would want a house I need a place to live indulgent indulgent be happy with your your your living cube as dispensed by the state your 3x3 foot god I wish I wish I could have a 3x3 living cube given me by the state that's all I need I wouldn't even complain yeah same same but as a millennial you don't get a house you get avocado toast instead much like how Burger King foot lettuce and nothing else much like how Jin Z me are post job millennials are post house they do not have need for house I don't even want I would totally live in a cube I don't see any good questions so it's time to bring back the hashtag PCP bullying segment so here we go with bro bitterthorn asked this terrible question if all the members of the PCP had a future diary style battle royale who would be the last one standing and who would what would your wish be I know a person who wouldn't be standing as fucking you because we would all get him on you and fucking kill you you piece of shit god I agree I don't know who'd win but I know who would win but like the future diary was like because the world was ending they needed a new god so like if none of us did anything the world would just end and I let it burn let it burn who wants to live in a world with questions like these if Nate Bestman found a journal that when he wrote down the name of any person on earth they died instantly what he would he do with it that has to be a joke that has to be intentionally bad about that concept there's no way that fucking there's no way that that guy who got that fucking book could make nearly as much of a cluster fuck as the utilitarianist machinations of that guy ever yeah yeah you ain't wrong hey here's a question that's not inherently shits kind of night shift Clint asks is all porn kukery now hang on you are pleasuring yourself to something slash someone you want to fuck or get fucked by being fucked or getting fucked by something else yeah what do you think that is two things about the porn that you want I think yes I mean you're just watching other people fucking it's not you there's porn that is not two people that's true you're watching something desirable and not participating in it yourself but you know what it's really if you're a real cuck in real life which again there is no act it's fine if you do that you enjoy not being involved I would prefer to be involved in porn physically this is something I thought about I think that cuckolding became a thing because everyone just watches porn so much now hmm I've always thought the rise of cuckolding is a result of people watching porn I can't believe that someone just casually dropped an existential total accuracy bomb like that but I think I'm going to go with yeah well I don't know because now I'm thinking about it because I'm not into cucking but I'm thinking I feel like I can possibly empathize with it a lot better now because it's like the idea is if you are not part of the you're just watching it you're not really there you have no accountability no responsibility nothing you can do wrong you can just project yourself on completely guilt free and that's kind of like why porn is a lot easier than like actual sex you know you don't have to like worry about anything I feel like the appeal would be slightly different like if it was like a live action and then the girl says ha ha you're not doing it and then the person watching the screen is like damn that's real cuckoldry but then if you're like if it's playing to that if it's a picture then you couldn't possibly be there because they don't exist it's slightly different I don't think they're like one and the same there might be a thread of connection possibly but I mean I don't think I have felt this way I have gone down this rabbit hole before and been like watching this thing that I like but it's not me and I've gotten a little annoyed about it like damn it why am I enjoying this like this is just this is what they want from me like they tricked me oh yeah like the porn damn it they've won like they went and did something good something cool and I am over here like what appreciating them for that fuck that I mean there's like for example like video games are like achievement simulators that you're not actually like so like in the same way you're kind of like a cuck to like success of other people in a way though I guess you are like playing the game but it's a little different I guess you right now viewer are a cuck cause you are not debating with the legendary best guy ever you are living by carestation with the other podcast members you are a cuck right now kill yourself all the rest of us are such relatable characters indeed and Nate is just such a such a hateable villain he's a juggernaut of industry here's a question by my cool man from the patreon lounge when is the right age to have a juggernaut when is the right age to get married because this is a thing that's come up a lot with the pcp as we all know well okay I think go ahead go ahead go ahead I think the right age to have children is whenever you're ready but I think having it too young will like if you have it in your early 20s or mid 20s that's a lot of people did do that but they they I mean I can't assume how they feel about it but I don't think they would have like some people may not have liked it I guess it depends on what you want out of have kids just in case have kids when you're figuring out all the basic things in your life and you are no longer feeling challenged then do it don't have kids because your parents want grandkids people sure definitely you gotta be financially stable don't let the one of a baby be the thing that makes you have the baby make it that you've basically you can go through your life day and be like wow I didn't like freak out or emotionally melt down over anything and I have enough money to be stable wow it's a little bit boring wait for when you're a little bit bored not out of like depression boredom but like out of complacency boredom then have kids then you'll actually love your children not like the sort of passive aggressive love that most parents give oh man it sure is great taking care of you and not having a life yeah because the way I sort of see having a child is like your life ends there and like now you're solely dedicated to making that child be successful there's been a rise of the argument that like immoral it is literally immoral to have kids and like I understand the argument there it's immoral to have kids against you know they can't consent to being bored I mean that's true and there will be some suffering in life and so like I could see why people make that argument but like I if you're trying to give your kid the best chance possible then I personally would argue that that's pretty pessimistic view I think there's good to be had well it's pessimistic but it doesn't make it wrong no I'm not saying it's wrong is kind of strange well hang on Ben are you arguing what do you think about that argument well uh that's I mean I know it's a complicated thing yeah well I think I don't think it's immoral I don't think it's immoral to create a life no um I get I could see why someone would think that if someone thinks that life is suffering and terrible and not worth living then I could see why you be like well why would I want to force that on someone like I get it I think it's immoral if you're not able to properly take care of the child I think like if you're that's definitely true even if you are able to properly take care of them that doesn't mean they're gonna have a good time no it doesn't but at that point it becomes nebulous but I think it's absolutely wrong to have a child when you're not properly able to take care this whole issue I'm hearing this like way back I've heard this on here forever like oh man a life is suffering is it right to bring kids you know like if there was like a reverse limbo where you where you hang out before you have life like all it would take is some propaganda like Pixar could have like a five minute little short animation before one of their movies which is this right which is just like these little identity list souls hanging out in like pre limbo right and like they're all like really excited to like get a chance for life and they get they're given warnings it could be painful it could be hard but like if you're given the chance you might be able to like live and experience things right and they'd be all like everybody would be fucking excited to try it out no I I would I'm gonna say it's immoral to have kids if you're not ready if you're being ignorant about it but then again actually I just work though I just consider ignorance to be a bad thing in general that's a very underrated sin hmm yeah uh yeah well well about the whole about the back to the question originally I do feel very strongly that there is no right age to have kids or get married or do anything well there is a certain age past which you should probably not be having kids if you're a woman due to technically true okay yeah well I mean I don't know if I would you shouldn't or like you come it's it becomes a lot more complicated the older you get like there might be birth complications in the child you better find that that's true that's always a risk to a certain extent I'm not saying you shouldn't it's just like you might want to start thinking about those things like major saying just as it makes sense to establish yourself financially before you have kids it also in the same vein it is a biological fact in the current world that the older a woman is when a woman is like 65 the likelihood of their kid I think specifically was having down syndrome the percentage goes up a lot so just the menopause starts around 40 years old okay the 40 or whatever it is so it's just that you're like I'm not saying it's immoral or anything you're not inherently necessarily giving your kid the most optimum chance in the world that's all well we've all got to do the best with what we're given yeah I agree I'm not saying I should stop just saying it's just something to consider about your own life and stuff I definitely agree with you Ben there is no real like right age to do anything but I think there are certain like ages you can genuinely like say where someone will be like maturity like you know financially or like you know well off wise you want to be stable I would say like the golden age for both those are probably like 35 for me that's probably a nice like late number that's pretty late I mean for I don't know literally 35 when they had us I mean the average age is getting later I think just unfortunately for men that's perfectly fine for women it actually does have some ramifications yeah my parents are both 34 actually um I think our parents were in there yeah they were right around there my mom was fucking 40 baby that's why you got that fetal alcohol syndrome give it up for down syndrome I don't know I guess as you get older your blood just turns to alcohol you just ferment um yes I would say that I agree that like getting married and having kids is basically fine you know biologically speaking makes sense to do it fairly early for a woman and then financially you want to be stable that's really off to say but I would also just say that like as opposed to like age to do it I personally just think like I would really want to really want to vet the person I'm marrying for I commit my whole fucking life to them you know like I give them like a couple years frankly that's me yeah I don't think anyone would just agree no I think you should probably jump into these things willy nilly yeah in my humble opinion feel free to disagree alright well fuck it let's move on oh there was one other question here that I wanted to reach and this goes beyond just the specifics here it's just Stan on Wheels asks I'm sure in reference to the furry podcast is action giraffe a fursona and this pretends to all animal boys no he's not he's a separate entity he's a completely separate entity he's a real life globe trotting superstar who is a headmate of mine occasionally but he travels rift to rift and you know he's got nothing to do with oh he's occasionally but not exclusively a headmate like he has his own he's incidentally also your headmate but that's just kind of he owns some time shares in your head the Ramona flowers like okay boards in a sick way he owns a time share in Nate's head yeah that's a new twist on the character we're gonna get new fucking lore it's been like years why don't you watch the currently released as the time of this release weagua that is out right now that may or may not have him in a starring role wait does it actually literally yes okay literally I was like why don't you go watch the he may or may not be there but actually he's not it's a lie yeah go watch the weagua everybody there he is he's taking a hiatus from his globe trotting and his movie action starring with Tom Cruise and his aids have him no no no there's no hiatus from that he's committed to that lifestyle but I was just gonna say like everybody you know that that stupid walrus digit keeps insisting as a real character we all know isn't like that's not a fursona uh you know is investigator of fursona no obviously not these are real human being non animal boys you know that's they're their own they're their own guys uh hey I see are we done with that question yeah I see Kajoro Bitterthorn asks to all the members who haven't made lectures yet do you plan to in the future and what would they be about yes hey they're all out everybody just shout out they're all out all mine was mine was the last one from radcon that's right actually it was the last one to happen too and the last one to release that's right that's right neat nifty I'm probably been saying fashion it was the last one to be done I'm I feel like I said in a in a questions of a PCP already that I'm planning on yeah I think you did well I guess everybody when's the mage lecture gonna I don't know I I don't know enough about things and stuff to do a lecture just do a lecture on Lithuania well oh wait lecture do the lecture on what are those things where you sell OCs to people adoptable when to transfer munchie I never read the warrior cat things to oh it seems right up your alley reading books of my alley excuse you yeah doctor little thing I'm just like I'm a very newbie in that area so I don't really have the authority to lecture anyone about it that hasn't stopped any of us yeah I don't oh yeah there's really only one thing I could do a lecture on which is the game over thinker you know you have to do a lecture on the bible it has to happen I want that hot debut take we gotta do that we gotta film that the lecture that you're supposed to lecture on something that you have an exceptional amount of knowledge on not just like a book that is true that that's the ideal that's the ideal I'll do a lecture on God in the church I'll get the priest the tough thing about the game over thinker is that I want to just like analyze like psychoanalyze movie Bob for like all day but like I really I think I'll just focus on the plot of the game over thinker series and just some words that will probably be sufficient it would you would you argue that movie Bob's game over thinker is similar to Sonichu in that like there's a story of a man behind this yeah yeah actually apparently just relaunch the game over thinker series he's like getting a new he's he's been trying to like keep that ball rolling for a long time yeah I guess I'll talk about that in the lecture yeah I have a little bit of catching up to do but not that much by the way debut I the last episode for drugs I was doing the show notes and I searched up you know the game over thinker episode like I don't know like seven or whatever it was because you mentioned I had bad audio and oh my god yeah audio was like on like parallel it was unbelievable like I couldn't like fathomed like it was like you can't overstate it behind seven walls it was behind like seven walls and it was into a tin can and also underwater in the same time you really can't over sell it like anyone who's getting hyped for how bad the audio is like getting over hyped there's there's I'm gonna look at that it's been a couple good questions by this one guy one's bar yes I think are the best are have you ever had any interesting or noteworthy encounters with panhandlers or homeless people what do you think about how your go to community such girl and says deal um San Diego is notorious for being like like one of the worst homeless cities in America like it's absolutely terrible and like they just roam streets constantly and they are just everywhere funny funny story Jackie told me about the homeless population in Atlanta apparently when the Olympics came to Atlanta a couple years ago the government of Atlanta just paid lots of homeless people to leave ah they were like here's some money get out the Olympics are coming and we don't want you embarrassing us oh my god that's uh that's a fix right there that's a fix I'll tell you right now just enough for a taxi ride just how much that's a temporary solution I'll tell you right now Thanos would have implemented a permanent solution to this homeless situation if you know what I'm saying when hippo said how much money I was just thinking imagining him thinking I'll find out where the Olympics are going next and I'm gonna be homeless there free money what an elaborate scheme hahahaha hahahaha I'll be the most homeless person on earth hahahaha this was not exactly a homeless person or a panhandler but one time I was walking around New York I was in college and I was walking around and a guy you know he was like a black guy in like an African robe or something he was all like traditionally dressed he was one of those like he was one of those guys that's like something about being Jewish like black people or like the real Jewish people you know that's not yeah and he started like I was with my my girlfriend at the time we were walking and I was taking completely off guard when he shouted me out in the crowd and he was like you do you know that you are the devil because I was white because he was saying that white people are devil and he was like do you know that you are the devil and I was like no sir I did not damn and I thought I handled it pretty well it's fucking just how true some facts are it's just funny how like how factual it is well as a future homeless person I'm sure I'll be able to answer this question in great detail in like a year or two Tom's gonna be on the other side of this question all my crazy adventures actually when I said no sir I did not some guy in the crowd started snickering and I was like yeah turn it around the other question from one spar is do we need to respond to that this is just a short thing but like this guy it wasn't like panhandling but it was like a homeless guy so when I was in Japan and this experience haunts me to this day I'm walking back from the gym it's like Japan's like wealthy I'm in Tokyo just everyone's like going about their business being a real dude in the city and I'm just walking back it's an American guy walking through the city and I just as I see a homeless guy sitting on the side of the road and he's got all this shit around him you know it's fine it's just what he was and I look at him and I'm like wait he's playing with something what's he holding in his hands there his hands are like down you know like by his by his crotch I'm like what's he holding there wait a minute it is is that his penis and it was and it was in fact his penis he just he had his dick out he was playing with it like in public before the eyes of gods and men and he was just doing that and what stood out to me was I was like what what's going on here so I was like shocked but what truly fascinated me about the situation was how everyone else just kept walking like this was an obvious thing anyone to look and see this shit but nobody I mean I'm gonna say that I'm a hero or anything I'm just saying like it was amazing who wants to engage with that shit yeah I just made excuse me a homeless guy put that junk in that trunk and get out of here and this was like I fucking did a double take I was like what but like people just maybe he was like doing a performance and he had his hat on the floor and he was supposed to throw a little coin in there like a nice dick you walk over to him and you're like hey sir put that away and then he takes off his penis revealing that it's actually a hidden camera and he says PONK and you're on national TV that'd be great a candid camera type of show but it's exclusively they're always jacking off like just always jacking off and they're always actually jacking off it's not actually a prank they're just filming it and then making fun of you for noticing social experiment yeah I don't see how this can go wrong oh dude right called for right Munchy I see this in your future I'll be 18 it'll be all good the last question I think we want to do we hear another one by one spar do any of you listen to the news either on radio or TV and what are your preferred sources for world slash local news Alex Jones he'll give you the real shit I'm a BBC lad I grew up watching that I don't look at it that much look it was big black cox I knew someone was going to say it I had to go there it was so obvious wait what the B11 unrelated what an unfortunate abbreviation coincidentally a fan of both things well hold on you can say all of them it's just another failure of language BBC came first all of them could be like that the big black cock has been here long before any of us and it will be DDA it's referenced in the bible literally all of them could be abbreviations like ABC block did you know bead cleavage did you know that big black cox are in fact referenced in the bible actually someone okay I wanted to answer this question but I didn't have a good answer prepared someone asked a favorite bible verse even if you're not a christian and now I know it because I remember there's a verse in the bible that like specifically it's something about like we don't fuck with that we don't fuck with that tribe over there we don't let our women go over to that tribe because quote their flesh is as the flesh of asses meaning they have big donkey takes are you sure that's what they meant by that? well I was assured that it was the person assuring me could have been wrong but I choose to believe and god said gizam look at that shit I personally listen to a variety of news sources I really try to mix things up there's no one is unbiased so I just try to mix up and listen to a bunch of different biased people like young turks I'll listen to Kyle Kulinski Kulinski whatever his name is secular talk like a review tech USA sometimes less of a news guy and then like also like Ben Shapiro and whoa you took a right turn there well that's the thing there is no online person who's really in the middle like everyone has their agenda so I just and Stefan Mollin to you I'll listen to some things I'll listen to as much biased shit on either side and then I just form it in my mind and mix it I only listen to anything else I just like hear whatever like comes through the fucking you know osmosis by the way my favorite bible verse Ezekiel 23 20 through 21st there she lusted after her lovers whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses dude I think that's exactly the one I was talking about that's probably the one damn emission was like that of horses like they know what a horse emission is like so you longed for the lewdness of your youth when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled now we're talking opposite of me looks like I'm gonna be a Christian I'm sick of the porn on the internet bible porn only please there's one more question that we you know this could be our final thing it's just it's again it's for once bar and here this is it do you think there is enough PCP fan content should there be more and what would you like to see or not like to see the first of all the answer is no and based on this question I'm actually happy to announce we're beginning something here today that we've been discussing amongst ourselves and we are starting a contest to create an opening theme song for the PCP remember that guys remember that right now hashtag PCP theme yeah well I guess we'll stick with that the PC theme PCP theme whatever do the first one it's clear listen everybody make music or whatever the fuck you want and we will listen to it and we will not necessarily pick one but they will all be reviewed and we will do a fucking thing we're looking for some intro song we love the one that we have now it's just a little low key you know it works better as an outro so we're looking for something to start the show off in a hype ass kind of way so if you're an audio mixer you're a musics man and you want to submit this go to the twitter hashtag PCP theme submit some fucking audio that we can listen to if you want to be fucking entering this thing that's it what you should do is get like songs from all of our favorite bands that we have mentioned at various points and just put them on top of each other it doesn't matter whether the BPMs are correct and just go to and like go right up to the mic and say PCP that's a good one I like that one but this is real this is gonna be a big thing we've been dancing around trying to figure out how to start the shows off for a while and this is our solution this we throw it back to you guys you'll be forever immortalized as a fucking intro song if we pick it so that's it that's it everybody there is no prize there is no fucking prize the prizes that your thing will become the thing and that we will say well done and point people in your direction and you'll be credited in the video description it's literally exposure of course that's correct so only do it if you're happy to not be paid that's the thing there you go everybody started right now hashtag PCP theme get going it feels wrong for me to say yeah guys make more PCP like fan art it feels wrong to like be like no there's not enough fan content but all is all I know is that like I would enjoy if there were more you know little bit of munchies running around I would like that well munchie you and me both know that by asking for fan art it will happen that's true our retrieval has so much more fan art than the PCP but that's because our retrieval is good and it is inspiring you know what it is it's like way more specific and like has a visual style that can be like utilized which is like homestuck style and stuff so that goes a long way that goes a long way I'd say my favorite PCP fan content you know what I gotta say how has it been at this point two weeks since the furry cast and we only had one person draw us all as furries no there was more than one well you Ben got a few extra arts yeah like Ben got one oh yeah that's right I got I got a bonus pretty disappointed with all of you the best PCP fan stuff was not even by a fan it was by fucking Ben St here and it was that comic that was just the PCP University and it was just like a little comic based upon a discussion that was in the episode that was the PCP University one I think I did two of those right I did the second one I did the one up into the table yeah yeah of like Nate it's like it's just me it's nobody else I'm here yeah that's right so I've done two of those should do more of course shout out to the PCP animated guys who did those and the other person who I forget at the moment shout out to 1,2,3 no who was that which was unparalleled and the best thing that's ever happened to me that was the best piece of fan content that's ever happened to me ever was the shout out to 1,2,3 it was unparalleled and therefore banned absolutely perfect also thank you to everybody who draws punk that's the cool I like it when you do Asha in the AM that's the one thanks Asha alright guys I think we're done here I think we've done all we need to do here so listen up patreon.com slash the procrastinators we're in there and you can submit questions that we read more of $5 and get all 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typical cop killers I'm playing out a warrant for the rest of anyone who does not do the following when you get your pristine Vapor's book flip to Vapor Vaporite for AK Magda Vaporite by Munchie Smileyface turn to the last page and take a selfie with that page in the background so take a selfie with that page and send it to me right fucking now that's your new homework what's your twitter at munchie w tiny hats there you go everybody you've got all the tools before you now alright that's it everybody we're done thank you for listening good time as always if you're a patron do not forget that important step and we'll see ya next time bye bye bye and good see ya