 content. Hello, everyone, and welcome to our live stream. I'm Tom Merritt, and a few moments will be recording our audio podcast, Daily Tech News Show. Daily Tech News Show, what's that? Why I'm glad you asked, Coho Seline. It's where you and I and today Veronica will talk about some of the important tech news stories of the day and what they mean for us as human beings, real human beings, not imitations. You guys using CarPlay? No, but my sister-in-law is. I don't, even though my car is capable of it, just because, I don't know, Bluetooth works fine. I use a three and a half inch plug. Yeah, I use an RF adapter wired into the cassette port. Really? Yeah, Brian Cooley installed for a CNET video in 2004. Amazing. It's an old car, 2005, maybe, but still. Yeah, my car is 2006, and I'm going to drive it until the wheels come off. There you go. Oh, man. I drove a, I had a rental car over the weekend. I was in Vegas and we were doing a bunch of driving, so it made sense. And we had a Hyundai Sonata, actually a really nice little car. Yeah. I'd never driven one before. I kept doing all the wrong things because I'm used to my car, but I was like, this would be a car I would think about having in the future. I might be ready to get rid of my 2002 Prius, my 15-year-old car. We'll see. I'm thinking about getting something like, what's the least visible car on the road? Not visible as far as seeing it and avoiding a wreck. I mean, it doesn't stand out. No one notices it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I feel like Ford Fusion is the most in the world, is a Toyota Camry. Those are targets for people who want to steal the chips for modding. But I have one of those odd Camry years that no one likes because the body style was ugly. All right. You have a Camry, yeah. Yeah, we do. It just seems like that's the car. If I had to like, it's like a Camry or a Jetta or just everywhere. Or the Jitamri. Jambri. Jambri. All right, you guys ready? Yep, sure. Here we go. The Daily Tech News show is powered by its listeners, not outside organizations. If you get value from the show, consider giving a little back. As little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis coming your way commercial free. Find out more at DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, January 29th, 2018 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Theline. I'm Sarah Lane. I need a cool name for my studio. I'm in San Francisco. I'm Veronica Belmont. San Francisco is pretty cool. Yeah. Old Fogtown. Old Foggy Bottom. No, it's not right either. Foggy Bottom is a different place. That's a different place. Yeah. The listeners can come up with a name for my studio. Send it into us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Our whole deal here is to talk about the tech news each day and put it in context for you. And if part of that context is an important location for Veronica, then we need to know that. Guy who puts it all together and makes it happen on the back end is Roger Chang as a service. As a service. Chang as a service. Yeah. I might start that. C-A-A-S. C-A-A-S. I like Chaz. Yes, Chaz. Chang as the service. All right, let's start with a few tech things you should know. WhatsApp has added compatibility with Apple's CarPlay, becoming the first third-party messaging service on the platform. CarPlay users can now see unread WhatsApp messages and ask Siri to read them and reply. Of note, WhatsApp has worked with Android Auto for some time now. Very cool. Seems dangerous. CNBC sources say Dell is considering a reverse merger with VMware in order to make Dell a publicly traded company again. Dell owns more than 80% of VMware. So then VMware buys Dell, but because Dell owns 80%, they give... And they wouldn't have to IPO. Right, right. That's the end result. Yeah. Amazon released a Super Bowl ad teaser because we live in a world where commercials get teaser trailers now. In the ad or in the teaser, I should say, Alex A. loses her voice and the team tells Jeff Bezos they have replacements ready, new alternate voice features for the Echo coming or just silly publicity stunt. We'll find out February 4th when the Super Bowl ads are posted online. Or you can watch them during the game, I guess. Are you supposed to call up the big game, Tom? Sorry. We can... We are fairly recording on the event named the Super Bowl, not trying to associate our brand with it. So I think we're okay. I think it's Super Bowl, but I... Actually, I prefer calling it that anyway. Microsoft has acquired PlayFab, a gaming backend service that helps developers launch games online faster. The Seattle-based startup previously raised about $13 million in funding and will be integrated into Microsoft's Azure Gaming Group. That is interesting. Let's get into some more top stories, Veronica. What are we going to kick off with? Sure. In a story about Apple's chip-making strategy, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports a source tells him, quote, Apple is working on at least three updated Mac models with custom co-processors for release as soon as this year, including updated laptops and a new desktop. Now, Sarah was going to be too nice to mention this, but she was poking fun at me for including a device rumor story after I went on a big tirade about it on Friday's show. But... Your tirade was not that you don't want new devices. It was that rumors about what a device might have is like, ugh, we get that every day. But this is sort of Mark Gurman's thing, right? Mark Gurman's a reliable source. That's my first defense. The other is that this is actually, Gurman's story is mostly about Apple's chip strategy and the fact that they are making chips in-house more and more. Right. And that, you know, this little tidbit is at the very end of the article saying, hey, they might even have some laptops and desktops coming with these co-processors in them, something they haven't done a lot of before now. What do we know about these laptops? I mean, I've been sitting on my 2013 MacBook Pro for the past five years, so I'm ready. Wow. I'm due for an update. Yeah, I mean, other than they would have these co-processors that so far I think we've only seen them in one or two actual models. The only two Mac lines that include custom Apple processors are the MacBook Pro with the touch bar and the iMac Pro. So the point Gurman was trying to make is, hey, my sources tell me these co-processors may be coming to other models, but everybody else like Veronica is like, wait, new laptops really? Tell me more about laptops. Tell me more about laptops. Tell me more about laptops. Because I've been waiting to replace my laptop. Yeah. And yeah, he doesn't say anything else about those. I mean, I've got a MacBook Pro that I bought at the end of 2016. It has the touch bar, you know, which is some people like it. Some people don't. I'm perfectly fine with it. But yeah, I mean, the processor is like, I don't know, does it work? What else is new? It's in there running the touch bar and doing some obscure stuff. I've just heard so many complaints about the new MacBook Pros. I've just been very gun shy about making the switch. My laptop works great still, technically. My first-gen touch bar had a lot of issues. It had a weird keyboard thing. The screen went bad. I had to have it replaced for a backlight immediately after I bought it. The new one that I've had for several months now, fine. So I feel like they worked the bugs out finally. Okay. Good to know. Fitness tracker Strava published a heat map last November, showing activity from its users around the world. Over the weekend, Australian conflict analyst Nathan Russer showed how he used the same map to discover activities around U.S. military bases in regions where other users are rare, sometimes revealing previously unknown military locations. Users of Strava can turn off data sharing, but something to think about if you're in a secure location and you are using a fitness tracker and you're broadcasting your activity to the world. This is, yeah, Strava was very much like, well, we are just using public information from users. We have no idea, no idea like what their status is. We don't know anything about them other than the fact that they're users and they make their data public. But the onus is on the military and the individuals involved to understand how that data is being used. I really think it would be up to the military to be like, you have these devices, you're out in the world. We understand that they are transmitting GPS. We understand that they're transmitting data to third-party services. We should understand how and when that data can be accessed. And that seems like kind of a big thing they should be thinking about. Yes. And I think this shows the danger of opt out versus opt in with your personal information. I don't disagree with anything you said, Veronica. But I also think that Strava would be better served if they said either very clearly we are going to be sharing your location. Because if I'm in the military and I get a big pop-up that says that when I install it, I'm going to go, ooh, I should turn that off. But instead, what Strava did was they launched a new service and they opted everyone in and they gave them a setting that they could go turn it off and it was incumbent upon the user to go in and find that. Now, granted, like I said, I don't disagree with you, Veronica, that if I'm in the military and I'm using a Fitbit that works with Strava, that I should probably know what Strava is collecting on me. But I also think that companies could be better about making it very clear to people what location data is being collected and giving me a chance to say, yes, I would like that. But they do. When you install the app, they ask you for permission to access your location data. The Strava app does, for sure? It has to. I mean, I don't use Strava, but every app that uses location services asks to use your location services. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a requirement. Yeah, they don't, I don't think they can do that without telling you. So, I mean, maybe they forgot that they had given these apps access to that information and then they went overseas to the place that it was supposed to be secret. But I don't think there was an opportunity for them to opt out of that when installing the app. I mean, there had to have been. I mean, I'm sure someone will show me an example where that is not the case, but I'm pretty positive for these types of apps. I still think it's a better policy for companies to have you opt in rather than making you opt out because it is a safety net for your private information. And in this world, there are too few protections for our private information, not too many. So, I think that needle could shift the other way. The other thing I want to point out is very, very understandably said, like, there's so many users in California and the mainland and Europe that no one will be able to deduce who ran where they didn't take into account is that if you're one of only five people in Syria or Afghanistan using these things, it's very easy to see where you are. And the end result was military installations that were not known publicly show up on this map and routes show up. Like, if someone's wearing their Fitbit... Yeah, you can basically see the perimeter. On patrol, that's going to show up. Right. Yeah, I think it's a mix of both things. I think probably the app makers should take more responsibility for how they're surfacing that information. But I also strongly believe that people should be personally responsible for understanding how the information they're taking account of is going to be kind of reminds me of when back in the day when Venmo... Well, it still will. The settings are better now, but it was like a timeline of people giving each other money for various reasons. And sometimes you can say, because Venmo will make you say, why am I giving Tom Merit $10? I need a reason. But you say a joke or whatever, but it can be public information. I remember people being crazy up in arms, but again, it's like, there are settings there. Just learn how to use it. Now, here's a story that got a lot of attention and then has simmered back down. But we know a lot of you heard it, so we want to talk about it to dispel some of the myths already growing around it. A presentation apparently had been developed on options to combat Chinese spying on U.S. phone calls by the U.S. national security team. That's totally what that team is for considering like, what do we do to combat things like this? Let's say the Chinese want to spy on our phone network. What do we do to defend against that? One of the options being considered was having the U.S. government build a 5G network. Now, when you're brainstorming you come up with crazy ideas. This apparently was one of them. An official, however, confirmed the idea to Reuters after an Axios report revealed the presentation. Now multiple White House officials have told the document is old and the idea was merely floated by a staff member. It was never to the point where it was seriously being considered as policy. FCC chairman Ajit Pai said he is opposed to the idea of the U.S. building its own 5G network. And besides that U.S. carriers as well as Japanese and Korean carriers are already well on their way to building 5G networks. There will be 5G service launching in the United States this year. So the U.S. would be behind if the government wanted to get into this anyway. Unless they went in and seized the networks and did crazy stuff like that. Anyway, none of this is happening but you probably will continue to see headlines about this for the next couple of days. Don't make me agree with him on something. I mean, yeah. I think an idea of a standard, when you read that first Axios story, there was speculation about like, oh, maybe it means a standard to make it easier to roll out of service and get pull access. I'm like, those are great ideas. I'm all for that. The government either seizing equipment or somehow nationalizing or creating their own not necessarily the best idea at this point. I mean, besides a government worker, who would use a government 5G network in the U.S.? No, the idea was that the government would create the 5G network and then sell the access to the telcos. So everyone would use it if this had ended up being true. But we're also, yeah. I mean, we're looking at a memo that people have ideas all the time. They don't just go anywhere. So we're just contextualizing for future panic. This is why you hide the whiteboard when you do brainstorming so stuff doesn't get taken out of context. Hold on, I got to shift my camera. Take a picture. It's not my whiteboard. New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman is opening an investigation into Davumi, a firm accused of stealing identities in order to create fake social media accounts and sell followers. The New York Times published an account Saturday of people who said their details and profiles have been copied to be used as bots. Davumi offers customers the chance to order up to 2,500,000 Twitter followers with prices starting at $12. Clients can also buy likes and retweets and Twitter says it's working to stop such tactics. It allows automated accounts but says they may not be bought or sold. Twitter also says it will suspend accounts that purchase follows, retweets, or likes. I read this story this weekend and I knew this was a thing but it is a lot more pervasive than I think I really understood the buying part. I knew bots were out there. We did a whole episode on IRL about bots and how prevalent they are in social media. I didn't realize that people were using these services to buy that many followers and that regularly. Even people like John Leguizamo who's already famous does he really need to buy followers? Every once in a while I will come across a celebrity let's say on Twitter, Instagram, or whatever and I'll be like, oh they don't really have that many followers considering that they're so in the public and beloved in that actor sense. I think a lot of people probably get advice like, well let's just boost you to get you in the game and then your real followers will come out of the woodwork afterwards. I'm not totally sure. It's interesting too. You look at the follower count and you're like there's just no way. I myself I have a lot of Twitter followers and most of that comes from being on the Twitter suggested user list from back in the day but I know that a substantial number of followers are bots. I don't want them. I would pay to get rid of them at this point but I can see why people who make a lot of money off of things like endorsements or product placement or ads or what have you they rely on these metrics these likes and retweets and they're standing on cloud or whatever it is to actually charge more money and that's like a real world implication for a lot of these people who have a career or build up a social media following so I can understand the desire to do so but it's a huge problem especially when they start kind of scraping other people's social accounts and making minute changes and then suddenly you have a version of yourself on Twitter that's retweeting like porn stars or like you know pornography stuff or I don't know there's all sorts of supplements I don't know what the things are retweeting. Any of us that work in our industry and are familiar with online advertising it's like it's not a perfect system and we all know it's like there are lots of smoke and mirrors stuff going on and sometimes it's like really obvious but people do make money off the fact that someone who is giving you money because they're an advertiser in some sense doesn't totally get what's happening so anytime I see stuff like this I mean okay good for you but I don't laugh that long because as soon as they get hip to the game it's over for you. I know both of you have run into this though a lot of people get jobs based on their social media following and that person who's vetting you doesn't go and check your follower account to find out if it's full of bots they're like oh Veronica has a million followers great she's hired they just look at the number and so that's why it's so tempting to pay a company like this to boost my following I just want to see I just want to be able to get that next job I don't really care so there's bots and there's bots there's the bots following Veronica because they want to get Veronica to notice something and then there's the bots who are being created to be sold so that they can beef up someone's account and I remember accidentally following a fake Ryan Block back years ago I got a request I'm like oh he must have signed up and he used his picture and had his name totally a fake this week I got a message from my cousin and I responded before I realized on Facebook like wait a minute none of the rest of our message history is here it was a fake version of my cousin it started to try to talk to me about grant money and I was like but delete wow yeah it's huge problem Mark Cuban today actually tweeted that he thinks all social networks should ensure that there's a person behind every account and like that to de-anonymize all accounts on Twitter and Facebook I don't agree with that but I understand the reason why people are starting to feel like what other recourse do we have at this point because it's just becoming such a huge problem and such a problem that's having real world implications for not just people but for entire countries it's like what do we do China does it they require you to register to use a social media account there you go smart speaker maker mycroft is introducing the mycroft mark 2 a follow-up to their 2015 model the mark 2 has an array of 6 mics a 10 watt speaker with dual 2 inch full range drivers a 4 inch LCD panel as well mycroft uses open source software on its smart speakers and doesn't rely on ads or selling user data in fact it is only stored if the user requests that it be turned on in order to improve capabilities the mycroft mark 2 kickstarter campaign is fully funded but you can still back it for $129 to get the mark 2 for shipping in December yeah it's go until February so you've got a little time mycroft shipped their first one so they have a track record of actually shipping their kickstarter things and I know a lot of people are getting less on a google having all of this information about them and this is a way to have some of the benefits of the smart speaker without having to surrender your information why they have to call it the mark 2 runs me of the Canon D I mean it's okay I know they're different but like it's not like Canon was the first one I like the name though I like mycroft because it makes you think of Sherlock Holmes right smart brother super smart speaker house just like mycroft just like mycroft does that mean you'll get a Sherlock from mycroft I would, I probably would Veronica did you happen to pre-order a home pod no I don't think I will I've never been happy with series performance I've never been happy with most of this stuff really for me the Alex A is the best one I've used so far so I'm hoping that continues to improve it would be nice to have I don't even know what I would want it to connect to honestly like I'm falling further and further out of the Apple ecosystem in so many ways that I don't feel like it's necessary for me to have that additional piece of the puzzle would you consider a mycroft mark 2 though? I might I'm actually thinking I want to look into this a little bit more like I really like the nice compared to the competitors yeah what the home pods like 349 or something for the base model yeah 349 that's a lot a lot let's finish up with another confusing story Nikkei Japanese news agency reports that Apple will reduce its iPhone 10 production target for Q1 to 20 million Nikkei did not cite a source in saying the cut was a result of slower than expected holiday shopping but that's what they said UBS says its surveys show the percentage of people looking to buy the iPhone 10 has only dropped from 43% to 37% you'd expect to drop after the holiday Canoncore Genuity analysts have lowered their second quarter iPhone shipment estimates but lowered them to 59.9 million units from 66 million units Austrian component maker AMSAG which makes optical sensors and has Apple as its major customer raised its revenue outlook on rising demand for the use of its sensors in iPhones so what's going on well last year Nikkei reported that Apple cut orders by 10% in Q1 but iPhone shipments ended up growing by 4.7% for the quarter and Apple insider points out that the complexity of Apple's supply chain makes it very difficult to deduce sales outcomes from changes in supply inventory in fact back in 2013 Apple insider even quoted this Tim Cook said yields might vary meaning the number of parts made supplier performance can vary the beginning inventory positions can vary I mean there's just an inordinately long list of things that would make any single data point not a great proxy for what's going on so he says even if you see some people cutting orders doesn't mean anything about the number of shipping products slowing the ramp from one parts maker let's say like oh we need you to cut back on the modem chips can cause cuts in production targets for another parts maker so it's not because Apple ordered them to cut back let's just say we're just not getting as much yield and so Apple goes to another parts maker and says you know what we're not going to use any modem chips we need you to cut back on the optical sensors you know or whatever these numbers don't make any sense until they all come together at the end and if you can't get all the parts all together at one time for a Foxconn to put together then you're going to change those parts mixes and none of that can affect sales they may be building an inventory that has no relation to expected sales because they're building it much better when it's like nobody bought an iPhone 10 and most of this the stories about iPhone 10 and retail are that there aren't enough that you know when you tried to buy one which implies that they didn't have they didn't have to cut production that they were having problems with yields they were having problems getting enough of them made you know not that I know all that much about supply chain stuff but it would and this is something that I know Apple's done in the past and lots of companies do it's like if you create demand for anything because you're like oh you know demand was off the charts we just didn't order enough you know to begin with like then it makes it more that's a thing people want more because it's a hot it's a highly coveted item that's hard to get I think we overestimate the times the companies do that on purpose though I think more often companies take advantage of that because they're like we're not getting enough sensor yields let's take it up and then we'll just say it was like really really high in demand yeah exactly anyway the short version of the story is Nikkei always says this in January and it really ends up turning out to be true hasn't yet anyway hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about 5 minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines you can get it on the amazon echo on the google home on the anchor app and as a podcast at dailytechheadlines.com what's in the mail bag Sarah we got a really great email from Josh Mutumani hope I said your name right he is Indian but has lived in the US for a little over 6 years but just went back to India and had a few observations and we'll just go through them I'm going to paraphrase a little bit but he said number one Android is king the 100 to 200 market dollar market has the maximum competition Apple still very niche here almost no existence outside metro areas which is you know something that we've heard before number two mobile payments almost every major company has its own but Paytm is far above the leader of the Indian government which is a huge part of its acceptance even at government toll boots number three adhar that's the Indian government unique ID program we've talked about this on DTNS recently says it's mandatory for each even purchasing a prepaid sim I didn't have to take a photo ID the store had an external fingerprint reader in conjunction with my fingerprints was able to confirm who I was kind of scary though because adhar needs to be linked to a gas company everything is tied to this number four dual sims pretty much every phone is a dual sim and almost everyone I knew was using two sims the LTE speeds on reliance JIO is one of the companies there is one of the new players consistently above 35 megabits per second so Josh says some of these are new to me I again haven't been back to India in over six years and thought you might find it interesting as well yeah I mean if nothing else a couple of these just confirm things that we suspected based on the news story so it's nice to have word on the street that like yeah dual sims always hear about like all the Indian phones have dual sims because everyone uses them turns out that's true we've talked about Paytm before Android seems to be the dominant player there the adhar thing I don't think it has to be connected to your bank account I'm a little unsure on on him saying that but I know that people are very uncomfortable and there's a lot of stories about is it really useful is the data being properly protected and all that so it's still very controversial I don't remember the exact number but something like you know 90% of adults in India are connected to ad hard it's like 90% of adults in India are not necessarily using a bank account so that you know it would be good to get a little clarification there I know that to get the best use of it you want to connect it to as many things as possible because it is a requirement that would be that it would be limiting well thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and our Facebook group at facebook.com. 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Spectre or Meltdown talk to you then this show is part of the Frogpants Network get more at frogpants.com there's one little corner on Boss Jock for each sound which prompts you to remove the item instead of playing it that's what I just did I liked it, it sort of seemed like it was part of our sign off yeah, that's our new our new audio logo you know Scott ever decided to start a clothing line based on this company you could call it amphibian outfitters and it's true oh fine, fine it's true, it's a good point all right, titles every step you take tell me what we should call this show Roger what should we call this show that is the question we're charged with answering that's the show most okay you're not being excited enough these are my picks top of the list every step you take Strava is watching you get it, like the police on yeah there's Chang as a service with that one yeah, there's a couple spins on that I see sharing military secrets is the last Strava shut up and take my bots shut up and take my bots what did we say that oh maybe I said I would take people to take my bot shut up and take my bots that's funny that's a nod to a Futurama oh I get to shut up and take my money I think oh somebody by nature who did that are you joking brava handling fitness data with finesse jazz Chang as the service so good body by nature that's pretty funny what I just said you guys I'm knowing that no no I was laughing too you're like ah it's good one I was looking for it after you said it I was like where is that body by nature I still like every step you take Strava's watching you sounds differently though it's spelled um I like it shut up and take my bots is that the one you like that would be my pick but you know and Roger you like every step you take Strava's watching you yes Veronica can you break the tie or make it a three-way tie I like I'm a body by nature sorry so I have to break the tie it's body by nature every step you take Strava's watching you or shut up and take my bots let's do body by nature man that's what I was gonna pick yes body by nature Lucy what are you looking at it's because whenever I'm gone even for a day or two over the weekend the cats are just like they're just like very eye contact heavy they just want to look at me are you gonna go again are you gonna go again are you gonna pick up that bag because when you pick up that bag it means that you leave us yeah he fooled the dogs this weekend because we were gone for the weekend as well but we didn't take large bags we didn't take a rolly bag they're like oh they're just like yeah I'm going anywhere alright I need to bounce alright thank you see you next time see you next time yeah I'm sorry Roger I kept meaning to talk about the title selection then I forget but what you did today is great also like I was totally kidding you guys aren't actually talking about this time we haven't been we haven't even been talking about it that's the problem it's lack of communication it's where every relationship falls apart all solid relationships are built on routine that's true and crippling co-dependence right co-dependence is co-dependence is when you know that's one of the things that like I'm like oh very co-dependent but who isn't co-dependent on someone that they care about that's not really a bad thing there needs to be some term for like co-dependency is where you allow things to happen that harm the individual so co-dependency as a you know if you're defining it means co-dependent behavior right there's on someone but co-dependency has to do with some unhealthy form of that well for example someone's addicted to a substance or something and you kind of manage that addiction for them but you don't really try to kind of get them off it because you like being that person that cares for them to me I was always sort of like you're dependent on somebody because you're close to them and they're dependent on you like it's not really a bad thing but if you think of it in terms of like no it's bad stuff that I'm enabling because it's good to be dependable right and to depend on someone who's going to come through enabling sometimes you see it in parent-child relationship where a child's unusually close to their father or mother that parent is their best friend that's sometimes considered unhealthy because that child even as an adult isn't making the necessary social relationships outside of that clear too that none of us are claiming to be experts in this subject no nor do we want to have a continuing ongoing conversation about the nature of this I think we're just trying to clear up to like yeah what does it all mean I mean the last person who's going to tell you how to run your life but but since we're on the subject now I will be the second or third person to tell you how to run your life right but I'm going to be the first I'd say get at least a couple of opinions before you talk to me like I'm the guy that you tell someone like my dad says I should do this it's like yeah you know your dad's right you should do that I'll be the second or third guy your dad's right how much did their dad pay you to say that not enough I can tell you that much oh man so it was so funny guys when I was I was in Vegas over the weekend and my hotel we were staying at the encore and just the encore either looks towards the win or it looks like towards the golf course right and my view happened to look at the convention center so there's the renaissance there's where the power went out you were there you were there I don't even know the hotel as a renaissance I just noticed as the hotel with the TP robot TP bot but no it was all it's a funny view because they're building a casino on one side casino and then the convention center there's a golf course that you never even really see that's right there too it was just funny you know I'm like here I am looking at it again fun fact there were three shows going on over the weekend one was called the shot show it's like a gun convention the second was the adult whatever they used to happen during CES and now it's just last weekend adult test and the third that actually was big enough to be in the convention center itself was the cement show nice it was a show about people buying and selling cement now CES had BMWs doing drift racing in the park did they have cement mixers doing drift racing in the park parking lot for this one I don't know I never actually went to the show or really got near the convention center besides looking at it but Madzula because you know he's everyone's hero he lives in Vegas and he was telling me about it he's like oh yeah this three shows this weekend is kind of a big weekend and I'm like how did the cement people secure the biggest you'd think like I don't know gun show or adult stuff I don't know yeah yeah no the adult would make sense that's gonna be like wow cement shows aren't like a gun show is like held in every county well it's like enthusiasts right cement is like people building things and everything's built with cement that like on a global scale it's like yeah that's a lot of business yeah cementing a future for America hmm hmm so true I think that was a nice little show we did today I think we solved all the problems in the world problem solvers that should be the spinoff show problem solvers you know Sarah already does that for night attack problem solvers with a z that's how you know it's good hmm what if we do a show called problem solvers and add a question mark did we solve your problem or did we complicate it problem solvents did we talk at you for too long we thought we were solving your problem hmm so I did one thing yesterday I had a somewhat late not late but like an evening flight out of Vegas and I had to kill a few hours so I went and got a massage and they were like do you want a 60 minute or a 100 minute and I was like 100 minutes it's like almost two hours I want that one so I had the longest massage I've ever had it was great everyone should do that more often 100 minutes it's very interesting that it's 100 not like 120 I know I don't really know why it was 100 I think I don't know just like it's like a number that people are like I want that but um it was so nice oh man and it's funny because you think like am I gonna get bored because I get answered easily and it's like you know at the end where they kind of have you flip over and you can you can sort of tell it's coming to a close or I was like I'll pay anything 100 more minutes 100 more minutes it's like those little like those little merry-go-rounds or kids rides in front of the supermarket find another quarter find another quarter yeah exactly yeah no it was really nice alright so uh yes that is it for this episode thank you folks for hanging out with us it's good to see you again we missed you bye