 Wel gynnydd toffi tio, it is the daily exit. Now not that much going on due to COVID and things like that. And this is something that was originally an idea that we said we were going to do. We kind of did it every now and again, the daily exit. But we're going to do it more like what we discussed at Facebook, which is essentially... Thanks for bringing me in the list. Essentially. Now, we did have a little look at the news stories that you brought us last night in a little bit more detail. ac seffi hwnna, ei angen i'n gweld, nedd mai eich gwiriau yn'r ddelwydd arno? Rhyw fyddai'n gweithio i'r sefydli i'r prod Glue, ar hwnna, ond dyna'n ddud yn ei bod yn gwerthchyni'r bobl sefydlwyd. Rydyn ni i ddim yn ddwy arno, dyna'r ddw i'r bobl. Rydyn ni i ddim yn ddyd yn ddwy'r bobl sefydli i'r bobl hefyd. Rydyn ni i ddim yn ddysgu deichio rydyn ni'n ddysgu'r bobl hefyd. Well, allan dwi's doing that, I'll talk about it, so last night, Peddon, the news daily, you brought us the news that Jarrod Branthwaite is very close to joining Blackburn Rovers, that's going to be confirmed any time now. So, first and foremost, is it the right thing for Everton to do to let him out now in January, because obviously he's played a couple of games this season, or one game as Nyshelf, but he's got the injury. And then, unfortunately for that, we haven't really seen anything of him since. So, is it the right decision first and foremost for you to let him go out on loan? For me it is, yeah. I'm sure Andy will be able to give us a lot more of an in-depth idea of why isn't it going. But for me, yeah, because he's been at the club a year now, he's played five Premier League games. I thought he finished the season really strong in terms of when you bring someone in from Carl, I always only played the handful of games for them. And I think we are always bemoaning the fact of what's the path for a player. Jarrod Branthwaite looks a really good player and I think physically he'll go into the championship, he shouldn't have any problem. And Black Beanner in the middle of the table, they're going to try and push for a playoff place. And for us, that's where he should be, he should be trying to play for a team, he's trying to strive and to do something that should be consequences to the games he plays in. And I think it's a perfect move for him, you know, come back at the end of six months, see where we're looking for next season, whether we put him out for another year on loan. Don't forget, he's a very young lad, so he's got time on his side, so I think it's a great move for him. Yeah Andy, I mean he's played 19 career games, so I mean a year from Carl, I don't know if he knew too much about him, he's only 18, he's not 19 till June. So, you know, for him, so we've already made his evident debut, like Petra, he premiered games before he got injured, but for you, is this a good move and you know, a good chance, further his evident, well, his football and education really? Yeah, you know, I've argued a lot in the past that like loans are probably the best way, I know obviously you've got to pick the right loans, which is an asset itself for some, I think you know we can use the good examples and the bad examples. I'll use the best example, I think, Sheamus Cullman going to Blackpool underneath Holloway when he got promoted, he chased promotion and got to the Clelfine when one. I think that was a great experience for Sheamus, because we see him before he went there, and he wasn't quite ready obviously at the horrors, Ben Feeke for example, but no, I think playing minutes in a competitive league is much better than training with the first team and then playing under 23 games with David on his way up. I think Tony Mowbrae is a good manager, he's developed some good young players, Adam Armstrong especially for Black Bay and the Striker, he's come a long, a long way since he left Newcastle. And I think it's a good move for Evan, because he's going to a competitive league, he's going to play competitive minutes and I think that's only going to improve him. And it sort of gives Evan a chance to say, well, does he need another year or after this six months is he ready? So we'll know much more about him, I think it's time. I think he's going from playing regularly, or semi-regularly, because I know he's playing only a couple of months in league too. To get a couple of games for Evan and then back into the under 23s, it's not good for a player, they need to keep stepping up the development and I think this is what Evan needs to do more often. So I'm glad Jared's going to a good club in Black Bay and hopefully Evan will ensure that he'll get a lot of playing time. I mean, we saw Aradabaio, we saw him on loan at Manchester City at Black Bay unless he needs now a full-on loan and we know he did quite well at Black Bay. A player actually Evan will liquid in the summer when looking for another centre back. And Branthwaith surprised us all as we, in what we saw of him playing for us, he's got that deceptive change of pace for such a big fella and I know that the manager was giving Jamie Carrick a little bit of stick when Carrick had called him a left-footed centre back. He's actually right-footed, but I actually thought he was predominantly left-footed because when he's played for Everton, he's being predominantly left-footed. So it's great that he can actually use both feet and it will really further his football and education. Won't it playing in games that actually means something with players who are trying to get the better of him rather than just training with us every day and sitting on a bench and not getting on. It's a good opportunity to test where he is and you're right, we've bemoaned players in what we're now calling it the abyss of being probably too good for the 20s and maybe not quite ready for our first team. So this is at his age as well, 18, it looks like you're cracking loan for me. Yeah, for me, and I don't know what you just agree. I think Jared Banthwaith is, he just needs experience. I think he's got all the assets of being a great defender, I really do. I just think it's the experience part of the game, just laying in the intricacies of where to be, when to pass, when not to pass. It sounds harsh, but just taking the rough edges off at Blackburn, letting him make his mistakes at Blackburn. For me, I just look at him, I think he's got everything to be a top class centre back, but he'll need games and he'll need to play competitively all the time. Because otherwise, like you just said, they go into the under 23s or they don't play that often, they don't play that often in the 23s, they don't have that many games, especially with everything going on. And what are you doing to a player by not letting them play all the time? You're not developing them players, get brilliant or top class because they're playing all the time, they're laying in all the time. It's about playing to laying rather than using coaching to laying. And I think he's got everything and he just needs games, he just needs to continually play at the level he can. I could honestly see him staying on loan this year, being on loan this year, sorry, and then next year having a loan in the Premier League. I honestly think he's that good, or he's got that bigger future, or at least be at the top end of the championship and playing every week and then maybe get a loan to a Premier League team towards the bottom of the table. I've honestly got that much faith in him going forward, I think he's a top-top player, he just needs games. And like Pett just said there, a case of ironing out there and laying in the nuances of playing against strikers who, the 23s we know is lovely, lovely game of football. It's not in contact really and it's just, we'll have a knock around, it's great, but he's going to find in the championship strikers with flailing arms in his face and leaving things on them and all of that stuff, laying in the craft. And he's not going to get that at the 23 level, he's got to improve his head and ability, that's the one thing I would say is aerial challenges because he's big enough to do it. I just think he's not great near at the moment for what we've seen, so it's a really good opportunity for him isn't it to get his football and education and black men over. It is, I've often talked about Ellis Sims and the fact that he faces defenders, the same defenders, he's faced all the way through the levels. They're not posing your questions, the questions that you need to answer and I think that when you go to a level like the championship it is a good league. People will consider it, some will consider it a 6-6 best league in Europe. It's difficult and others are going to strike like Ivan Tony there and put a link with Premier League moves. They're going to test you on a weekly basis and I think that's what young players need. It's great to get tested and train them but that under the pressure of a match atmosphere is where they're going to thrive. He's obviously now been getting games to Chelsea so there are examples of where it's worked so we need to follow them. Make some mounts as well? Yeah make some mounts. He's the one I always use because I think it's a hold them and to the championship. So yeah, there's quite a few examples and I think Evan needs to do this more often. You can't do it for every player because he could be loaned out to get so many players and there's only so many players people are interested in. But say for example, I guess I alone young girl who I believe turns 18 in March. The club needs to decide this pathway maybe goes on loan next January or maybe goes on loan in the summer. It's up to them but them type of players you've got high hopes for need to have plans going forward. I think this is where brands are going to have to be stronger in the next couple of years. Definitely. I think it's a good move for Jared and ultimately hopefully it's a good move for Evan. Because like Ped said, in 18 months he could well be one of our starting centre backs. So certainly banging on the door for it to be our starting centre back. Because obviously, you know, yet he mean it turns 27 in the summer. Michael Keane's already 27. So they're not getting any younger dose too in terms of where we are. So it's going to be interesting. But I think I agree with Ped. He looks and I think you do as well. And he looks like he's got everything to be a really good defender. He likes doing the dirty side of it as well. The run on back and go line challenges and stuff like that. When he was at Carlisle, there was a game he didn't play in the game. I think maybe it wasn't nice to take a poll down. But there was 40 scouts from the EFL and the Premier League going to watch him. So he was such a high commodity. Now there's another lad in the league too called Matthew Pollock. Who started around the similar age. But there's no way near the level of interest there is in him that wasn't Jared Bramford. It tells you the difference in what people think at that age. The same players you stand out. I think Jared Bramford was definitely one of those. So he has got a lot of ability. Definitely. Moving on to another evident defender could be leaving the club. Ped covered it again last night. Of course John Joe Kenny who spent last season. We know him on loan at Shell. He's been heavily linked now. He's been linked with a move to Burnie in the summer. And then it's come back around now. And I think with Burnie they take over and everything else. So it's a little bit of money now. Lucien, Fashon, Dysa, maybe bring somebody in. And they've identified John Joe Kenny as the person to be. That I think they have lawn it right back or badly. And I think Kenny's probably better than a pair of them. So he's someone who has been linked with a move away. And Ped is this. John Joe Kenny, 24 in March. We were just talking before we come on it. He had a spell on loan at Oxford in 2015 and 16. And here we are kind of five years later than he still hasn't. You know, Everton are using. We've used Alexandra Wobe. Right back. We've used Ben Godfrey. We've used obviously Coleman, Mason Hall. John Joe's played four games this season three in the Carabao Cup. He hasn't been able to establish himself to Carlham until he has shame as Coleman's deputy. At this age, is this the right time to sell John Joe Kenny now? No, the right time to sell John Joe Kenny was two years ago. Okay. But now we are where we are. But yeah, but we are where we are. And yeah, if we could get 7 million for him and reinvest that money into a new. Let's be honest, he's not he's not good enough. He's not good enough to be back up busy. Let's be honest. So he's not good enough to be the start and right back. And he never will be for us if we have the hopes of, you know, where we want to be. Listen, we had, we had Tony Hibber for 10 years, and he was never good enough for where we wanted to be. And you're seeing the difference today. Literally, shame is Coleman took over from him. What it was like to have a modern right back. And I think that's what John Joe you go back to is the fact that he does. You know, he looks like a Tony Hibber, Hibber to Esk Defender, because I don't think I think what's happened with him. I think when we watched him in the other 23 years, he looked like a really good attack on right back. And he had a certain little trick which he played little one to on the edge of the box, got it back and whipped it in. And what he found when he stepped up to the Premier League was he just didn't have the pace to get, to get past that final defender. He just didn't have the pace to run past him. So he could never get onto the final ball. So I think what he's done is he's settled. He's settled for the fact that he's just going to become a defensive defender. And he's not good enough as a defender either. Because that's what he never was that defensive right back. He was more of an attack on right back. So he found himself now in the middle, in right in the middle, where he's having to adjust his game, I think. So what is the most comfortable and what he probably thinks will get him the most games. A little bit like what sort of Tom Davis has done. Except Tom Davis is because he plays midfield. There's a few more options for him. I think he's a little bit further down the line because he's played more games. But I think for John Jo to really express that he has to go to a club, probably barely would be absolutely perfect. Because I could see him honestly having a really good Premier League career, be there for years and do well and fit in and do exactly what they need. Whereas for us, we're looking above that. And that's only right, isn't it? It's only right we should be looking that way. I want a top-class right back to be there. Like Dean is on the left, but on the right. That's why he should go in it. And this is the right time for his career for Evan. Andy, we're talking about a lad who's like it just said. He's turned 24 in March. He's played 108 career games. Whether people think that's a lot or not, I don't know. But he's played 108. He's played 32 games of Chelsea all season. I think to be honest, I think he wanted out in the summer. I think he enjoyed himself being the right back at Schalker. I think I've seen someone say the other day, we should have sold them for the 20 million. We got off them in the summer. We've never been off them for the 20 million for John Jo and Kenny in our lives. You don't snap hands off here. I mean, I was out and we'd swap him for Western McKinney in the summer. But that wasn't happening either. But for the lad himself, like Peds just said, for where we want to go and be on the front foot. I don't think he's what we need. And I think the fact that Carlo Antillotti's brought him back and had a look at him, and yet Mason Holgate, and a Wobie, and Godfrey, and everybody else seems to have been put there before and shows that the manager doesn't fit into the manager's plans. So it'd be good business to sell them now. Wouldn't it have been going to make that bit? Yeah, there's two points to make about Kenny. I think I understand why Peds thinks people should have said in hindsight why we should have sold them to a couple of years ago. The thing is with him, I think with his pedigree, obviously he was part of a well-coped team with other England players who've done well. I think with his pedigree, I think Evan had to see what his level was for the move to Schalch. I think it was a sort of a way for him to prove himself. Although he did well at Schalch, I don't think he showed that he was evidence level. So I understand why the club did that, and that's why we brought Sedebion as a bridgin loan just to see what was John Joe Kenner. Obviously it's clear now that Evan will move past the level of John Joe Kenny is, and I think Peds is right. I think that he has had to change his game. Sometimes I think it's a lot to do with when he's tried to get in the evidence-based team and he's made mistakes. I think he's been obviously pulled out of the team for that with some players. It ends up making them more safe and cautious, which I think is what's ended up happening with him. You see him when he played for us early in the season, he's taken back a lot rather than push it down the line. I think he used to be someone who likes to cross the ball. He just doesn't do it as often anymore. So I think it's the right move. I think, yeah, we sell him. I think Evan needs to do this more often. I think we can't really be getting to 23, 24 with these young lads any more where we're still looking to sell him. I think we need to make a decision as much earlier as I've said before. I've done some research. If you're not in the team by 18 or 19 and you're out low by 18 or 19, it's very unlikely that you're going to make it as a Premier League player at your club that you started. So I think Evan needs to take it and start making decisions much earlier on players. Is this almost like a... Not a warning or such, because that's probably the wrong way, but is this like a marker pad in your opinion that we do need to make that decision like Andy said at 18-19? If you're not really... I mean, how many players is in the under-23 squad and how many of them train with our first team on a regular basis? And they're all 18-19-20. I think about three, maybe four of them, isn't it? The rest of them are nowhere near it. So do we have to make that decision, be tougher and go, do we actually believe this player, whoever he is, he's going to become an Everton footballer or he's going to become a player that we can sell to a League One or a Championship Club for a million, a couple of million, and make us some money back, rather than just letting... You know the players we're talking about. John Joe's a consequence, though, of all the manager changes. Because, let's be honest, what you should be saying is, the minute he won the under-23s League, Everton should have made the decision on them right then. Was he going to be a first team or was he going to be sold? Because he shouldn't be going back down to the under-23s once he's reached the pinnacle of it. He's completed it. He's completed the under-23s, he's also the next level now. And I don't know whether it was just a... Because we've seen Cooman brought him in Didney and given him a couple of opportunities, brought him off the bench and stuff for that, for the pace and for the crosses and stuff, and he brought him on against Swansea, and he brought him on... When we played Bournemouth and the Asco, the goals, and he brought him on and he provided the wit. So each must have seen something in that I liked. And then with the constant changing, it's been lost. I don't understand this, why that decision hasn't been made above the manager's head. And maybe that's what maybe Marcel Brands has got to get to give to it, or is trying to get to give to it, is that idea of... The manager might step them up to the first team, but if he's not really sure on them, then they have to get together and make that decision. Now, that decision should be alone, shouldn't it? That decision should be... Take them away, put them out on loan and work from there. And the club's got to shoot, the club's got to play. The club's got to be absolutely right in terms of the club's got to play in a style that suits the way we play. So you're getting the best similarities in the styles. And we don't seem to have been as quick or quick enough making those decisions, and that's what's all got to be made quicker. So that, by the time a kid gets to 2021, he either knows he's got a chance to be in Everton's first team, squad, or his career is elsewhere. That's better for everybody surely, because it helps us as a club we can earn money. It helps the player go on to the next step, and it helps the person who's coming next on the list to have that pathway. And at the moment, and this is what we've all bemoaned in the last maybe two years, is that by none of that working, all it means is all these players... It's like a botled, isn't it? The 23s to the first team is like a bottleneck, and all these players now have been stuck in this bottleneck for two, three years, and it ends up with Matthew Penenson being 26 and looking for his next club. That's half of his careers gone, wasted as a lonely and in evidence on the 23s, because he didn't make a decision when he was 21. When he 21, he clearly wasn't good enough. He doesn't have the pace to be a centre back. And yet, here we are, and he's 26, and you're going on three in the summer. And that's all because of that bottleneck. That has been crazy, the evidence in the last five years. I would just like to add that as well. I think there's two parts to that. The club needs to be smart. I think brands has done this. He's reduced the number of wages you get at that level. I think too often in the past, players have put on long contracts where they probably weren't motivated to leave evidence, and those loan deals are probably a good idea for them, because it's not big of the way. Now, I'm not accusing players of that, but I understand from a longevity point of view in terms of money that that's a good option for them. I remember Kieran Dahl was on £20 a gram of the week while he was out on loan. So there's players like that. I think from the other side, I think players need to make decisions themselves earlier. I think you look at Jake Bidd, where I'll add them for sure. There's quite a number of other players, so it's a lot of players in the AFL who've left there in 19, 20, 21. We've gone on to have good careers. I think the earlier you get out, you'll be stained by that Premier League loan where you're going to different clubs and having to try and bedding quickly. Otherwise, it doesn't work out for you. I think the players need to make decisions themselves, but I think that's a big thing with the under-20s. It needs to be overhauled, and I think it is on its way. I think we see less older players playing now. I think obviously we're trying to get some of them sold, and we're seeing, you know, it's very small, called up at 16 years old. It doesn't say it's 17. So August, the bent type of players needs to be given opportunities earlier, because I'd rather see them play and develop in that league, which is probably a little bit of a step up for them than players who've been there who can play on the strippers, because it's probably just too easy for them, and there's no real point in it. Definitely, definitely. Just very quickly, per diem cofyddi Aston Villa game might be off. It has been cancelled now from the weekend. Not really much we can say, is that if it's a situation where Villa can't guarantee that the players recover from Covid, then it's frustrating as it is for us, because when you're winning, you want to carry on playing. There's not really much we can do about it. It's that we've got to just wait until... Just make sure we don't hug. Yeah, it's the next thing. That is the next thing. It is what it is. This game is getting cancelled everywhere. Carlisle has just had their next three cancelled. Cheffield wins. They've got their next two cancelled. This is going to hit the lower leagues massively now. It really is. It's not too bad in the Premier League at the moment, but it's going to hit the lower leagues massively this. It's going to start opening those... I know that was a joke, but once the MPs turn their gaze on to football as something they can deflect attention away from them, then they're going to start... Well, they are. They're going to start asking questions soon of can football continue. And, you know, in the Premier League, it's safe for the meantime, but it just shows you how quickly it can rip through a club if you don't stick to your stick to the bubbles. But I've said before, I can understand why players who have been shown to have had parties and why aren't those players getting punished. They're breaking the rules. Why aren't they getting punished? Why aren't they getting suspended? All this hugging stuff is an absolute nonsense. These players are together, or, you know, every day they share it, they're in the hotels together, on coaches together. The fact that they hug after a goal is absolute nonsense. Reflection, again, from a government that won't stop. People coming in from Brazil, where there's a new standard of it, absolute nonsense. But the players who are breaking the rules outside need to be punished now. Otherwise, this will just continue and we'll end up with a massive fixture pile at the top of the end of the season. It is matters. But yes, it's not good. I mean, the next two games cancel. There's a chance that they're going off to play there under 15s at Godderson in the FA Cup on Saturday next Saturday. So it is a bit of a mad one. Just finally, the manager, you talked about this last night, obviously on the back of the Walshwin. The manager spoke first and foremost about Abdelhaid y Cori saying he's been great, but he's obviously missed his evidence next Premier League game, but he said he needs a rest. And he's also asked about Dominic Calvert-Lewan, which again, you covered last night, and he said we've just got to be careful with Dominic at the moment, because obviously a little bit of a hamstring issue. So Andy, with that in mind, the Villa game being off might actually be a big benefit to both Dominic Calvert-Lewan and Everton because it gives them another eight days at least for the Cup game of Everton when we wish them there. It doesn't have to just make sure that that hamstring is going to be right. Everton would have had a walk nearly 17 days over the last two, three weeks, and I think winter brings when I've been talked about, but I think this is, I know the fans obviously want to see his play and keep the momentum going, but I think the day our next Premier League was on the 30th, I thought 27th. I'll be back, I'll probably be back round then, and Dominic Calvert-Lewan, because it wasn't quite out of the 90s, he'll probably be fully fit. I think, although it's disappointing that the games are off, I think it also benefits the squad to be fresh, because it's quite a big second half of the season, but we want to kick on, we want to stay in those European places, so in the long term, it might benefit us. Definitely, and Pat, did you, I mean, the core, the manager saying he needs to rest. I guess the only negative thing from our perspective is, well, it's negative him not being fit, obviously not being in the team rather because of the suspension, the only worrying thing for us is, we don't have another decor, Alan will be back, but we don't have another decor. It's one game, it was always going to happen, and there you go. There's no point moaning a barri. No, we've got a deal with that, haven't we? I think they've shown that they can maintain a certain level. One game, maybe 10 games would be a bit much, but just for one game would be fine. Well, having the two strikers, but you know, Retialis and Don back in the team means we can probably play in a slightly different way. Anyway, Cami, Lester, it's against Lester who likes to play on the counter-attack, so we just do what we did there and mirror it, mirror them. We can win it through with Michael Keen, and that'll be it. Yeah, that's it. That's it for the daily excess, so thank you very much. Gents, enjoy this. Make sure you give the video a thumbs up, subscribe if you haven't, and if you want more videos, get over and join us on Patreon. See you later.