 We be on fire, we be league hustle, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this, we're gonna bring it to the table, boss talk, who your girlfriend fare, boss talk. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy E-C-E-O and I'm here with the lovely official, Mr. Mako, what's going on? Not my dad, what's going on? Man, hey man, I woke up this morning, so we here. Exactly. Man, been a long day. Hey man, check it, man, hey man, hey, we got a special guest in here today, man, this guy here don't need no introduction, he been doing all type of interviews, I done went down that rabbit hole and try to understand just what make him tick, so I'll be able to interview him, man, we don't just come in half cocked, you know what I'm talking about, say man, my boy K-20 fame is in the building, what's going on, man? Hey man, big stuff in the building, man. Say man, say man, you been causing a lot of trouble, man, I got a few calls on this one, nigga. Yeah, nigga, I got a few calls. We be ready for any trouble, I promise you, man, I'm gonna stand on what I say, I'm gonna show, I'm gonna show what I say, so shit, you know. Hey man, just thank you for coming on the show, man. Yeah, man, I've been watching it, bro, you've been, you've been, you've been, we just pulled up, like I always say, we just pulled up. You got some people trying to catch up and you just started, you've been, we've been in the game, what, 10 months, 375 episodes later, yeah, stop playing, we just dropping every damn day. We like you, nigga. Nah, that's what I'm talking about. Let's read it, though. Yeah. You read it, though. We hustling, man. You ain't working, baby. So, just, you know, being, you born in Louisiana. Born in Bash, Louisiana. Yeah. Bash, Louisiana, right down there by Monroe. Right there. Yeah, but moved up. Right there, straight for Monroe. Yeah. Moved up here later on. No, how long were you there for? Oh, she going down, there it is. I moved from down there when I was like, nah, nah, nah, I moved to Dallas. So you remember being down there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How was it like growing up down there? Shit, I grew up in the projects down there. I grew up in apartments called eating apartments. You know, as a kid at the time, you know, you don't, as a kid, you don't look at shit as being the projects, but now that you're older and you go down there like, damn, these were the projects. Right. But they're like one of the most notorious projects in Bash, and that's why I stay, you know, I remember being a kid in a true story, like I used to have a baby sister named Nita Joyce and her older son used to watch me. So I was a bigger, like a little bigger kid, you know what I'm saying? So they used to make me like fight everybody, even when I didn't want to fight type shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, like how people be like, shit, I got molested, you know what I'm saying? Like, there was some shit like where I didn't want to fight, but I had to fight, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, somebody told us that recently that when you from Louisiana, it's like, you have to fight. There's no, it's not much about it. They like lined up kids, like I'm one kid on this side and you got a line of, you know, 15 kids in front of me. I got to fight each one of them, you know what I'm saying? So I don't know. And how old were you at that time? Eight or nine. I probably was like, probably, no, I probably was like six or seven. Six or seven? Yeah, I probably was like six or seven. Wow. But that's something I just remember. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you can't forget about that. Yeah, you can't forget about that. Yeah. And then, so you were raised with your mom and dad? Oh, you know, just really my mom, my dad, you know, at first he went to the army. He went to the army for a long time. So really, I ain't alive with just me and my, me and my mama. How old were you when he left? Oh, shit, man. I probably was like five. Okay. So you didn't have a male figure in your life for a while? No, no, no. That's why I go so hard now. You know what I'm saying? Nothing to my past because I still talk to him to this day. You know what I'm saying? We don't talk. We don't talk as much. But you know what I'm saying? But you still have to count your blessings because you have some men who walk out of their kid's life and you never know your father. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So when you, when you was growing up, your father, I mean, do you have kids now? Yeah, I got three girls, man. Oh, you're in trouble. But that's a good thing because you gonna stay, you gonna stay rooted and grounded in that situation. You know, that's a whole other story. You know, I had my first child at 13, man. At what? 13. I seen that. How old was she? She was 14. Oh, really? That's what I got turned out by a 14-year-old. I was toy of nigga. Oh, damn. Yeah, I remember. I'll never forget that. Yeah. I was a virgin, nigga. Yeah, man. Yeah. And they got me. They were from Dallas. I'm from the country. They came down. That's what happened to me. They came down, my nigga. And when they came, my partner, it was football practice. Yeah. I know we going crazy, but yeah, I went over after football practice and my partner took me and she was there. And yeah, you know, the rest is history. You know what I'm saying? Y'all saying that she got you? Yeah, she took advantage of her. Y'all are young boys. Y'all are young boys. Yeah, young young boys. Y'all want me. So, y'all want that. Y'all be looking at some of these older girls and be like, no. I really just didn't know what I was doing. I got in there with the best thing. I did it the best I knew how. For real. What I had was irresistible, man. Like, I had grew up and she was like my, we was in an apartment. Her mama was always gone and she like was my next-door neighbor. Yeah. Like, it was. Have you seen her lately? Yeah, it's my baby mama. Oh, y'all still together? Nah, nah, we ain't together, but you know. Oh, but did she only have one time for you? So, that was the first time and you had a baby soon as you did it. Yeah. That's dope, man. I didn't shootin' blanks. But hold on. I was shootin' blanks, my nigga. You know, I had to be. I was just gonna go back to your quote. What would you just ask? No, I was gonna ask you. You guys gonna say, is she your baby mama for one of your kids or did you end up having another child with her? So, man, that's a long story because, you know, a lot of people don't understand my hustle because, bro, I've been on child support since I could be on child support. So, my first baby mama put me on child support, you know what I'm saying? So, I've been on child support. But how does that work? Because when you have a child at 14, they can't go back that far. This is how I work. They're gonna try you when you're 18. Right. And they're gonna put you on back pay. No. So, you gotta pay all them years. Back to 13? Yeah. Damn it, man. But look, I ain't miss one payment in my whole life. You know what I'm saying? I ain't miss one payment you from 1813. You know what the lesson in that? Don't have kids young. No, for real. No, dawg. You can get your roll on. Just gotta, you know, life is what it is, bro. So, like, I mean, you know, yeah, I know you're proud of your daughter. And so, I ain't nobody. How old is she now? Man, my daughter's 17. Check it, man. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all talking everything cool. See what I'm saying? So, you're an active father. Yeah, I do everything for her. Is she in Dallas? Why? I don't child support, huh? She in Dallas or all of them? All of them. That's dope, man. All three of my kids stay in all of them. That's dope, bro. So, you didn't, did you have any money? You didn't really answer my question. Did you have any more kids with her? No, no. I got one kid with her and then I got two. With two other? What? No, no. I got two baby mommas. Okay. Yeah. I got three. Yeah. Yeah. It goes down like that. Ah, yeah. You know, people gotta, yeah. We go through change. You learn, man. Yeah, yeah. But at the end of the day, we live to see another day. You know what I'm saying? But you're not a grandpa yet. Hell no. Not yet. Hell no. I'm just shaking because he started, he did his thing at 13, 14. So, I'm just shaking. I always put in her head, don't be like me. You know what I'm saying? Hell no. But most parents, they do that, but sometimes kids end up being just like them. True. True. True. But no, thank God, my daughter not. You know what I'm saying? That's good. So, what made you, when y'all came to Dallas, where did you, what did you guys move to? When we first moved to Dallas, I always leaves part nine. I said, the next interview I have, I get asked this. I'm not going to leave it out. I stayed on skimming in a deal. Yes, son, nigga. You was over there. A lot of people don't know that, but people who live in the city know me from being in off Dallas too. Okay. And you will never hear a motherfucker be like, oh, this nigga lying because I swear everything, I spit facts. Like I'm not no false claiming that nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like I used to be in the trenches in the north all times of the night. That was the first place when I first moved to the north Dallas. That was the first place I swear to God, I was over there for two weeks, probably, in Dallas. And I seen a person get killed over there in apartments. So how long did you stay over there? I'd say which apartments? You remember this. The apartments name was Arbor Park. Yeah, I know Arbor Park. They probably be called something else. I know, I remember Arbor Park. I'm from the old school, so I used to stay over there. I'm not Arbor Park, but Indigo Apartments right there. Are they still called Arbor Park now? I don't know, but I know I stayed in the Indigo's back. What year was that? Shit, I don't, man. I was young. You were young. Yeah, you were young. So how long did you stay over there for? We stayed over there like two years. Two years, okay. So from 9 to 11. You went to that little barbershop. It's a barbershop right there too. It used to be a barbershop by the family dollar. It right across from that Abbasin. You used to be at Abbasin. You remember that Abbasin? Yeah. It right across the street. Yeah, yeah. It was a Muslim dude. Yeah, man. Him just go back and forth. I used to be all the time. We all go by. I'm a Christian. He a Muslim. We all go, we all go every day. I used to be all through there, man. My best friend at the time was a little black kid named Louis. And he was on the news. He died in one of them lakes out here. Okay. But that was before I had, that was after we had, you know, we grew up. He was my friend as a kid. But I just remember seeing like, damn, he used to be my best friend as a kid. And he died in one of these lakes out here. And I can't remember what lake it was, but he drowned. Probably Joe Poole. I think it was Joe Poole. It was one of them. I don't remember. For some reason, that's the one that you always hear on the news. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His name was Louis though. Yeah. But, but I mean, so how old were you when you discovered your passion for the music? We going into it. Oh yeah. We got to go in man. My granny always was used to have me in church. You know what I'm saying? The whole time I was in Louisiana, I stayed with my grandma too. I stayed with, yeah, I stayed with my granny too. And that's how I got in. I used to be like four, five years old leading church songs. So you can sing? Yeah, yeah. I can sing a little bit. How's the mother say how good? I say I can't, but everybody else say I do. My brother say you kind of push him in the mind of mode three sometime. A lot of people say that. But then another nigga say you turn from yellow to mode three. This is a lot of stuff been told to me about you. Like you change from this nigga to that nigga. I hear, I hear I kind of shit. I guess I'm a little bit of everything. Yeah. They can't put me in no box. But when it come to talent, can't nobody fuck with me. No, but when you start out, when people start out in music, they always try to replicate somebody till they figure out who they really are because sometimes you have to try different things to push yourself to see. See the thing about that is I always love singing and rapping. I was doing the one when it wasn't cool. I was recording at 17 years old. I was singing and rapping then before I even knew over mode three. You know what I'm saying? Before in the city, new mode three, I was singing and rapping. But before, you know, if when a person elevate bigger than you, they always going to look at you as the motherfucker that is copying him. Right. But really I have been doing the way before him. You know what I'm saying? So you think that's what's in this heart. So you say what is on the way. Yeah. I really can't even say, I can't even say my hustler just when it's hard. I just didn't know what way to go about it. Like I didn't know what to do with music when I first started. I had to learn all this shit. Yeah. But when you, I hear so many stories about people when they starting and then grinding. You don't sleep. You stay up. You go to the studio. You figure out who to talk to. That's why I say your hustle wasn't hard enough because you won't go where you need to go to. That's true. See what I mean? So if that was the case, you would have been neck and neck with him or before him. Yeah. But you see three star getting hot when he had rainwater. I'd never had a manager. Yeah. But the thing you gotta understand, y'all talking outside of y'all neck. Yeah. What God help for you is going to come when you need to be there. And it's always right on time. So all that other stuff y'all saying is cool. But I know the truth. And the truth lies in the fact that where you at right now is where exactly you supposed to be. God don't make no mistakes, man. That's true. And it's funny you say that because my favorite saying is he may not come when you want him. But he'll be there right on time. You know what I'm saying? And that's a song. That's actually a song I used to sing in the choir too. Man. So let me hear a little bit of it. Ah, man. Man, I be when you're born. But y'all, you ain't for to do that. No, because he say, and let me tell you for like, for me, we're Mo3's concern. I was never a Mo3 fan until I heard him sing because I love R&B. So when I was on Instagram one day and I heard him like, man, he can really sing. You know what I mean? Yeah. He's saying. I mean, do you think that you are as good as Mo3? Or better? Man, I think so. Because in the city, you've been talking. I heard you say you're the best to do this. Honestly, I always say this. I feel like if there was a competition in the city as far as telling the net, it would only just be me and him. Okay. And I say that, you know what I'm saying? I feel like I'm trying to be bigger than him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Rest in peace to Mo3, man. I feel if I had anybody music in the city, I would be listening to Mo3 music. Okay. Kingpin, Kapo. When he was living or when you didn't listen to him when he was living? Yeah, I did. You did? Yeah. I got a nigga say that, but a lot of niggas ain't listen to him when he was living. I let him know. I buy everything on Apple Music. I got all his shit on Apple Music. I buy it, literally. What's your favorite song? Oh. Yeah, that's what I thought. All the way down. All the way down. All the way down. All the way down. All the way down. All the way down. All the way down. What's your favorite song? All the way down. Oh, it's the name. It's all the way down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Money Modes who show up late to work, but he always on time. He's like, God, I guess. I don't know what's going on. Yeah. Nah, for sure, for sure. But no, so what's going on, man? So when I look at your music, man, a couple of songs that I always, you know, big step. Yeah. What inspired that, man? Man, I made that song in like 10 minutes. Really? Yeah. And really, the beat inspired me to do that. Like, it'd be sometime when I record, the beat would tell me what to say, and that was one of them things that were, as soon as I heard the beat, I fell in love with it and started rapping on it right then and there. That's how it was. You punched me, you know. That's what I was going to ask. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On that song, I really did. Yeah. So do you normally punch it, or you normally write? I like to write. I don't like, I don't like, I feel like I give you my best me when I write. I feel like when I freestyle, it just be some, it just be some shit, you know what I'm saying? Out of all the songs you've ever done, and put out there, which one do you think it's, it's your favorite? And then the other one, it's everybody else favorite, because your favorite might not be everybody else's favorite. Oh, man, y'all didn't came up and got brain dead, but I got a song called I'm Up Now. It's one of my favorites right now. You like that one? It comes from a real place, and I'm speaking real facts in it. You know what I'm saying? I'm speaking cap in my other music. I'm just saying I feel that one in my soul. I got a song called, God damn. What's the depression song I just made? It's my fault. Yeah, it's my fault. Yeah, I'm looking at that one. And that's the one that everybody else loves? It's just, it's just, that's the one that people be like, man, that shit touched me, because you know I'm rapping about depression. A lot of people deal with depression. Especially now it's in COVID times and stuff. I ain't afraid to say I deal with depression or I've dealt with depression. I feel like everybody at some point in life, you know what I'm saying? Deal with depression at some point. I agree. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So it ain't like, oh man, you going through depression. Yeah, I done been depressed. It been, like I say in other interviews, you got to look. I came up in the era of Mode 3, Yellow Bees and Trap Boy. I was there. Whether the true Dallas people that really know know I was there. But this is, this was me. This was them. You feel me? They left me. I couldn't compete with what they had going. You know what I'm saying? I drop a video. They motherfuckin' get 2,000 views organically. And I'm like, with no machine behind it, I'm like damn, you know, I'm doing something. Let me mention something. Even though you say that, do you think, because what really elevated those guys was their being beefing with one another? Their competitive nature. You not being in, if you had some issue with somebody, do you think that it would have scaled you even more? It always would. You see what I'm saying? We already know, you know, sex and controversy going on. That's what I'm saying. So it may not have been the fact that the music was just better. It may have been the fact that they was having issues with everybody and one another. But at this time, to go with what you were saying, they wouldn't beefing at this time. Trap and designer stage and all that? That's what I'm saying. In that area, the trap and designer area. Taking the church song. That's when they were coming together with the New Dallas. That's right. Welcome to Dallas. Welcome to Dallas. That's when that was coming together. I was there, but I still was underrated. What do you make, just because the machine they had behind them, you think? Yeah, it's a lot to the rap game that a lot of people don't know. You know what I'm saying? It's like it should be a rap bible. Yeah, I agree with that. But he talked about having a manager, a good manager behind you as well. Yeah. And you got to look. I always felt like I was black-balled in the city. Why? Why? Simple. I'm going to tell you. I was looked at. At first, I went from looking at as an out-of-town nigga. Then I went to looking at, I'm a Grove nigga. You feel what I'm saying? But the out-of-town nigga stained me because he ain't even from Dallas. You know what I'm saying? And that'll make people like, nah, nigga, whatever. You ain't even listen to your shit, nigga. Go to Louisiana with that shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. They didn't really understand it. Nah, I've been down here since a kid. I'm Dallas. Okay. You know what I'm saying? But that's just how I feel. Doesn't need to hear. No, no. So you don't rap to Louisiana, too? Huh? You don't rap to Louisiana? I love Louisiana. I mean, you got to think. Who he is? Louisiana is my roots. You know what I'm saying? And the Louisiana people and their culture, they're going like, the people that be on my pages, on my social media, they love me to death. So I'd never be like, nah, fuck Louisiana. I got a real Louisiana. But you can't because that's where your roots at. Exactly. Exactly. My granny stay right now. Exactly. So you can't know, nigga, you got to go home big, mama got to cook some cakes and some pies and these Thanksgiving coming up that you might want to pull up. I'd say if I was born in Dallas and I was born in Dallas, I would have been running up and down this motherfucker like Big B running up and down this motherfucker. I see you tie him with half paint a lot on videos. I see you either you put them on his platform. What's up with that? Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. So, you know what I'm saying? I ain't got no problem with half paint at all. You know, we had some, I won't even say disagreements. We had a couple arguments as men, you know what I'm saying? But when I first started dropping my videos and started getting real serious about music, I went straight to half paint because he had the biggest page. And how old were you at that time? When I first started getting serious, right? I won't even say serious because I think I started dropping with half paint when I was like 21, 22 years old. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, right now, but I really don't go through half paint no more unless I really need to. Right now, I only go through either prophecy films which shoot a lot of mode three shit. Yeah, I'm the only platform never have him in interviewing right here. I'm the only one. Ain't nobody else. Yeah, I know. He really quiet. We rock. It's a whole different level over here. When you really been here 15 years, everybody done rock with me because I'm a real one when you do me. For sure. It's either him or it's a dude named Omar Castileo. Omar Castileo. Yeah, them the only two I deal with. You need to check them out for sure. I like what you said because at least you didn't burn your bridge with half paint because you said you only do it with him and needed to. If I need to. So the fact that you can still go back there and do it, that means that you have to burn bridges. You got to understand it's hard to say. I will take you down there, but me and half paint had a disagreement about I'm a real nigger. So he came to me at my peak of big step and he was saying, hey, I want you on this show. I instantly said, hey, it's half paint. I'm doing it for you. No matter what, they threw a top off entertainment show it was a good turnout. Um, in my return, I wanted him to be like, hey, I want, I want a video. I want a video. This for a show. I'm charging 1,500 for a show. You're charging 1,500 for a video. Just give me a, you know, give me that. But when I called him to get mine back, I felt like it was more. Mine was a simple. Yes. Mine. His was a simple. His wasn't a simple. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you have to. But was this agreement made like whenever he asked you, you said to him, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right then and there, you made that agreement. Exactly. Okay. And that's, that's what kind of rode me the wrong way with half paint. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But, but like I told him about him in a half painting, Sean Cotton. Uh, uh, hey, you still, you live to see another day. Yeah. And you can get past different things. We bought money. Yeah. You got money. Yeah. But at the end of the day, as you evolve, man, you always got, like you doing those doors open, you know? Always. And like I said, there ain't no problem with half paint. I just use them when I need them. When you need them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But that's, I mean, that's, that's good to hear. I had a question. Earlier, you were talking about depression that you've been through depression and so forth. Yeah. Um, can you list a time that was very memorable to you, something that you went through and you overcame because our listeners, you know, you have already went through and overcame. You got to look, man. I disappeared for like seven years. Wow. I disappeared for like seven years and I stopped doing music for like almost four. What had happened? Like just being depressed. Like, you know what I'm saying? What made you depressed? What made me depressed is what I had just, what I had just mentioned when I said that I watched trap yellow mode three. Um, we were all right there. But when they, you know what I'm saying? I'm sitting here still making music. And I can't keep up with shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm not making no music. I'm not making no money out for it. And I'm just putting a whole bunch of money into it. So at that point, if when you love music as much as I do and it's your passion and you ain't getting nowhere with it for years, you know what I'm saying? For years, I'm talking about 10, probably seven, eight plus, you know what I'm saying? That'll put you in depression mode. You know what I'm saying? And shit. That's, that's pretty much what happened. I just stopped doing it. I stopped. But how did you overcome that? You were, you disappeared for seven years. Yeah. But what made you come back? What made me come back is just my love for it. I can't, that's the only thing I can say. Just my love for it. And I started going back to the studio every day recording and I was like, man, I'm gonna start just putting shit in the vault even though, you know what I'm saying? I'm not fully there. I'm gonna still continue recording because I know the time's gonna come and what really woke me up was Big Stepper. You know what I'm saying? And that was two, what, Big Stepper almost, I don't know, two and a half, three years old now. Because you know, in life, you always have your ups and downs that definitely get you in so many different ways. Yeah. So what will you do the next time when a depressing moment comes, something that's gonna, you know, set you back for you not to do that again? I hadn't been in a long time, but now I just talk to God about it. You know what I'm saying? That's all I can, that's all I do. And I believe, like I believe in myself. I believe so much that I'm about to be a millionaire, that I'm about to get a million-dollar deal because it's coming, like I'm starting to see it. So it'll be hard for me to go back into that dark hole with everything I got going on now that I didn't build for myself. You know what I'm saying? Just being honest with you. Yeah, I can tell you believe in yourself because the way how you do on social media. Oh, yeah, yeah. But that's the thing. See, I used to, for all those years, I've been quiet. I've been quiet and humble. So it took me to start really, really being who I really am and I really feel for people really start paying attention because out of them eight, nine, other years I was quiet. Like, man, I'm just, I just, I'm just cool, man. You know, I know I got talent. They don't get you nowhere. I had to learn that. Like you got to pop your shit. The city, that's what the city going to react to. You popping your shit. They not going to react to you just being a humble, quiet nigga. It comes off as very cocky too. Shit, that's what I'm feeling to be. That's what I am. And with me talking, I really, when I'm telling y'all, I really feel that way. Everybody in the city fuck with me song for song. Period. I don't care who they is. Nobody. Nobody. But everybody's going to feel anybody who is in the music and is good. Yeah. Or even some people are not good. They believe in themselves. They going to feel like they're better than you. That's how you should. That's how you should. And I understand that. But I want people to understand what I said because I got so much backlash on this shit from, from, you know, they want me and Trapwater go at it, me and Runny to go at it. What I mean is if you put me and another person in a room, right, with people who don't know neither one of us and you play ten songs of mine and you play ten songs of theirs and they vote on each song, I'm going to win every single time. I promise you. Wow. I promise you. That's a big statement. And the reason I say that is because I'm just thinking of the yellows and the little Runnies and the Trap Boys and even Mo3. Mo3. I mean, RIP Mo3, but that's a heavy, that's a heavy, heavy load. Like I said though, Mo3 probably be the closest to me to fucking around with me on it. And it's just me being honest. Do you listen to Lil' Runny music? My favorite song Lil' Runny's is New Year's Resolution. I don't really listen to a lot of his booty shaking music because that ain't really my, you know, that ain't really my point. But it's just T-Lo. Yeah, it ain't my T-Lo, but I love New Year's Resolution for shit show. You know, it's been so much going on these last couple of days, I've been wanting to run down, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm on my social media, people hating on me, and people that's hating on me, bro, it'd be the people who had hits years ago in the city. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, I mean, you gotta expect that. And really, you don't need to be even shaking about it. That's not really something that you pay much attention to. When you're a hustler, when you know you good, you don't really, you know what I'm saying. You just really gotta, you know, Jay-Z says something one time. He say, and I always say this, he say, I'm in the air, I don't hear niggas corny raps. Like, when you focus, you can't really get, let other things fool you away from what you're dealing with. Oh, my partner would tell him that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you still gotta pop your, you gotta pop your shit. You gotta make sure that niggas know. He would like, bro, you gotta stop responding because I swear to God, bro, I was fighting everybody. I ain't giving it for who it was, and what they wanted to do. You feel it? Charles White said the same thing. He said he was Bruce Lee, king of these niggas in block. I mean, interviews. It's the truth. Like when you feel like you, you know, you fighting everybody and everybody come up and get you winning. Yeah, it puts you on a whole other level. One thing I can say, you can't defeat the internet. No, you can't. That's true. That's why you see so many people when I see celebrities. I'm reading what they say they have to give, you know, social media a break sometime because that'll make you feel depressed. As much as we say comments don't matter because we know that, you know, they don't know you like that and whatever. But somebody will say something. And he just get to. It's trying a lot to you as much depression as I dealt with in my life. It's crazy that that shit now I'm starting to like, that shit is like my fuel. Like I don't know what it is. Like when I see people hating, like at first I used to be that person to be like, man, don't put nothing controversial. You know what I'm saying? Don't put nothing controversial out about me. I don't want nobody talking bad about me. But now I see that shit, man. I'll be laughing. No, no, no. I got caught up and read them comments. Shout out to my boy, Money Mose. You about to come on the set. Yeah. But at any rate, come over here. Um, we, um, like I said, we've been pretty much, uh, we pull up in this thing, man. I had to bring him in here. He local Louisiana. Okay. He from Monroe. Okay. Okay. So he definitely, you know, but he be back and forth. I can't keep him up down there. He rolling. You know what I'm saying? He better than me, man. You just laugh. You just laugh. When the money will come in. When that money will come in. That's the difference. I remember when the money will come in. I said, where you at, man? I'm going to go. I got to go. That's where that money will come in. It was good too. That was a different route. Yeah. I can't go right on my knees. So Money Mose, what's going on, man? I'm tired. You tired, man. So, you know, like I said, uh, we do, we got different, you know, I love to bring different questions and, you know, I know if I come just at you, I mean, when we do it, man, we do it to the max. So, a lot of people say that's, uh, that's cap. They say that didn't happen for real. They say the nigga didn't get no text. The nigga lied. I'm just telling you what, I should have read it. I said, oh, the nigga didn't get no text. But you know, that's what niggas gonna say. So you, I mean, you can't, you can fake it, but why fake it? But it is good marketing. But yeah, tell me what's up with it. You leave them all fucking guessing, bro. That's exactly what I'm doing. You know what I'm saying? What the next move over the next, I say about three to six months, they'll see what's going on. And I won't even have to show the text. They gonna see who I'm around. You know what I'm saying? I think you showed it. Okay. So, what did Drake say to you and why would Drake even hit you up? It's just the talent they're pulling nigga to you or what? You got to look like, I know some people. You know what I'm saying? I know people. You got to look one of the biggest, one of the biggest people in Paco. He was on the gate. I know Paco. Paco been here. He's tried to sell me shirts. He was selling shirts for a while. He was selling expensive tapes. Yeah. He would come over every day wearing the hell out of me. He'd be with Flex and Fab. I know all these news, man. Paco got a lot of goddamn connects. Dude, I like him. And he got my music. You know what I'm saying? And she ain't no telling who hit the shit. You know, you'll never know. People be acting like, bro, you're telling me my music came forward with Black Boy J.B.'s? The shoot. Shoot. Come on now. It ain't impossible for Drake to hit the nigga up. So when Drake hit you up, what was it about? What was the conversation? I just told a person the other day all Drake did was say he liked the song and keep going. That's what he said. All it was was a motivation to text to me. Wow. It was nothing more. How did that make you feel? Like it was a motivation to text. On top of the world for a minute, I was like, yeah, I'm going to go there. I ain't going to lie, like when I get in the room with certain niggas and certain niggas tell me certain things like Steve Madden, me and Steve Madden on the wall right there, that niggas say, hey, man, keep going. I like what you doing or hey, shout out to you, man. I see, you know, this doesn't make you feel like this. I'm going to keep it out of way 100 with you. I'm going to keep it out of way 100. It's just like it's just like like if my dad would have said I'm proud of you. But the thing about Drake is, you know, everybody knows Drake a multi-millionaire. You know what I'm saying? I'm still in it. I'm still here in the trenches, bro. Ain't nothing. My life ain't changed. I'm still grinding every single day. So that's all I and I never depend on another man to ask. You can say it's pride or whatever it is, but I'd rather get it on my own. So that's just how I looked at it. You know, like, damn, I'm motivated. At the same time, I know I'm moving in the right direction, but that's all it is. It's just, hey, man, that whole heart that's what I'm saying. It was for Big Stepper? No, no, no. What song was it? I'm Up Now. I'm Up Now. Yeah, yeah. I'm Up Now. Okay, so he heard that and it was something he had to hear in that thing, man. It was something what do you think it was? Just the pain. It's just a real song. If you go listen to I'm Up Now, that motherfucker a real song. And that's what that's what got him. Man, my cousin came here the other day talking about that he'll give me chills. Like that type of song, you know what I'm saying? How you think he heard it? It could be a million times that motherfucker heard it. But one way, how I always say and how I always move all my shit on my page is sponsored. I spend That's dope. I spend thousands of dollars a month. That's dope. That'll make it work. You know what I'm saying? So you spend, how much do you think you spend a month on? I can show you the bills. No, no, the only just tell me. I mean you poppin' it. I say about, I say a month, at least $1,500 on sponsorship. On sponsorships. Yeah, on sponsorships. That's dope. I like it. So you think Drake might have seen it through some of those sponsorships? Or just Paco. It could be anything because the internet is pushing stuff out of our counterweight. It could be YouTube anything. But yeah, this ain't, man, it's been so many other people hitting me up, bro. No, but the Drake thing is what really make a nigga say, wait a minute. Who is this nigga? You know what I'm saying? Who is this nigga, man? Yeah, but I like it. I mean, I think you should be very proud of that. You know what I mean? I am proud of it though. You know what I'm saying? Because I don't put in a lie to work, bro. It's a payoff, like a certain way. So what do you think? Okay, the million followers, that's another thing. You got a million damn followers and I don't know you, man. Yeah. I'm being real. I don't know you. Yeah. Who was it? Was it you? You the one. You knew it. Yeah. My boy right here knew you because he let that lose everything, I guess. How did you end up knowing? My sister. Oh. Huh? Jasmine Brown is your sister. Yeah. That's crazy. I know. That's crazy. That's how you know? That's crazy, man. Okay. I'm just trying to figure out what I told him about you. He was like, yeah man, I've been trying to talk to him. His sister is a lawyer, bro. Like I got to look out for her when I get to where I'm going because she she even stuck by me from day one when I was just coming up. Like nobody. Still lives. Still lives. Is it what how did y'all connect? Oh, she's just social media. Social media. It's some people that's going to make you fuck with them. Like she'll come like I have a show. She'll pop up at it. I have this. She'll come. I'm like, you know what I'm saying? Like I got a show with Tay Money soon. I'm going to make her a part of it. Why? She's going to make her I'm going to have her do some stuff and work. I'm going to pay her to do it. But yeah, she she didn't earn the spot for me for show. So what do you say to the people who say that the million followers and I mean I'm going to I'm trying to get there. So I I'm going to I'm going to break it. How do I break it down to you the best way? It goes so fast. I want to hear is it fake first of all? Is they fake? What's going on with it? I want to know. Did you buy any of it? Huh? Did you buy any of it? Did you buy any of it? Did I buy any of it? Yeah, stuff like that. The rap game is to be sold, not to be told. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like I told you, like I told you, it's a rap Bible. So but people can say mine is fake, but y'all ain't going to say like the other people who got 600, 700, 200, 2 million followers ain't but mine is. So is our lives fake? Or is our lives real? You know what I'm saying? So it's a it's a it's a Dallas orders right now. 2 million followers. Who ain't saying no names. Y'all go y'all go check 2 million 2 million followers. You might have 30 comments. You know what I'm saying? So y'all so let's let's be further. You know what I'm saying? The game is to be I say this again, learn the game. And I say this, I say this in all my interviews. I'm going to say this and hopefully you understand what I mean by this. When I was young, I love wrestling. Since that's all my family watched, you know what I'm saying? I came up watching Stone Cold Rock all day. Right. So once I got about 1213, I learned that I was fake and I instantly stopped liking it. That's the rap game. Wow. That might go with some people here. Some people might understand what I just said, but I can't give you all the game. Yeah. So how did you fight back into your love for it? Huh? How did you, you know, like for the meat? Because I'm going to make a million off and I love music. I love music. Music can't be real. Music can't be real. Love fake music is genuine. You know what I'm saying? But the rap game is fake as fuck. Okay. Let me ask you this and this is way off balance in the beginning with Lil Boosie and Nas X going back and forth that they got going right now. Yeah. Do you, how do you feel about that? What do you think about it? Man, I let, I let people, I mean, I'm talking about gay, you know, I let people do what they do. Okay. I ain't really a, what you call it, you know, racism isn't either, man. If you gay, you gay. Cool. I support you. You know what I'm saying? I get money with a gay person. Like you just said, you don't have anything gay, right? Yeah. I don't have nothing against gay people. Yeah. At all. But the, but them going back and forth. Yeah. Cause he trolled Boosie. But you came really just say that cause, cause Boosie, I mean, he said things about him too. Before like, so it ain't just started. I don't know. Yeah. But it said to him, to him, it would be wrong. Yeah. To Nas X it would be wrong. He wasn't saying that or you know, yeah, it's going to make you, if you do it, it'll make you feel the same way. He ain't saying nothing wrong. All you say, if that man run on stage, but Nick and want to do a shot, beat his ass myself. Well, you brought my name up. You got kids watching this though. But if a nigga bring your name up, bring your name up. Whatever. I get your point too. Yeah. You put my name in your mouth on a big stage. And that's, and that's funny because Boosie really been trolling him his whole time. Okay. That was touching. Nas X said one thing and Boosie, I get what you're saying. I'm just saying, I look at it from both sides. You can't sit here and say Boosie trolling him because the people Boosie brought that man name up first, bro. Yeah. People ask that man about him. He ain't going there and say, let's bring him Nas X. You know, he's going to bring it up because they don't know how they're going to get with it. They always ask them about him and he's not really talking about, he's talking about the situation. You know, he's not going to make much of my kids watching this shit. That's your favorite. You're right. I know Boosie, but my favorite rapper, Pimp C, who pretty much discovered him and put him on. That was your era. Yeah. So I'm older cat, you know what I'm saying? Boosie, Kevin Gates, Webby. That's your era. Oh my God. Same shit. So the thing, yeah, that's cause y'all are Louisiana, but still, you know, he do, he, Nas X, so, yeah, Nas X didn't, yeah, he didn't ask for all this smoke. You know what I'm saying? Rap game point of view. I would just say that. They both helping each other. Yeah. That's how fake and weird the rap game is. Get it. I get it. So, that's why Boosie doing it though. Yeah. Boosie going to make money. He going to, he going to always be trending. You know what I'm saying? So, well, let me ask you this. Being in Louisiana and what about Birdman? Do you feel like Birdman is a, is he a good business man or is he a, is he a, do we steal people money like they try to lose to? I can't really speak on that I'm just saying. I'm just saying, would you sign to it? Oh, I ain't gonna lie. Everybody I seen and signed to him didn't have, didn't have some success from Rich Homie. Hey, I was just gonna say that. From Yonthul. I'm a big fan of Birdman. I ain't gonna lie to you, but I still gotta ask you a question. Yeah. Yeah. I fuck with Birdman if the opportunity is right, but you gotta look. Once I sign, I gotta sign for a set of mount and I'm trying to, I ain't doing nothing less than a million. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, do you think that Birdman could take you to another level with your, with your, with your craft, your gift? I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. I think a lot of time people don't really give him his, his just do about like, when the, when you, when you see the young thuggers and the Rich Homie quans and the NBA young boys go through that tunnel and deal with that man. I'm gonna be honest with you and some of it is off the strength too. All of it ain't paperwork driven. That's true. You gotta give him his respect, man. That's true. Because he's touching a lot of that 30 million at like 18. Oh, like 15. Oh, he ready? He ready? What? That's what I love about this platform. That's the reason this platform put here, because I feel like East and the West Coast don't get a South to just do like, you know, to give us a stage to, to, to, to see what really we feel in the South. So that was when I first put this together and he was in here with me. I was down the South. You know what I'm saying? So we, we, hey, watch out now. We're like, we just gonna, I mean, shout out to the little junior here last week. He flew in to be on the show. You know, it's just, we putting a staple in this whole game, man, to where people like you, you know, get that scene, that notification. I look at like people like the row. You know, he ain't never been on the breakfast club, but you got people like Papoose who ain't never had a platinum artist and been on the breakfast club. I'm just telling you how I look at it. So my mind is twisted over here. Yeah. I, I was thinking about your interview with Bobby too, man. Oh gee, Bobby Billion. I just did it last week, man. What about that? Let's talk about that for a minute. Yeah. He didn't get to go down to Houston. I don't really not deal that because I already had rainwater on here like several times and I, like I had to balance the thing out. So, uh, what did you think about the interview? Man, I feel like if you watch what real tune was saying, like how Bobby keep doing it, I feel like he doing it, you know what I'm saying? Like just stop, just stop. Because rainwater, you know, rainwater gonna troll you, troll you, troll you. He gonna get the best and he, and you know, he making the city hate him. You know what I'm saying? But how important is that though? If you, if I can tell people if he go out and, and he establish yourself with another, say he go get a banger with Kevin Gates. Yeah. A banger with somebody that ain't even from Texas, even matter. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. What you saying? Once you get to a certain, he ain't at that point yet to where Dallas don't matter though. He say you got some big, make sure you watch this week. I got more episodes coming out, but he say you got some big ones that y'all don't even realize that's coming. That's the thing. I think that's what the city waiting on because I, I'm, I never wanted to be that artist. And I thank God I wouldn't, they came off another man's feature. I never wanted to be look out there. Okay. You know what I'm saying? But that's what he, that's what he's known as pretty much, right? Mm-hmm. Like what else you got without mode three? Like show us something else and that's, that's what, that's what I've been. Well, he's a different type of artist. But you got certain artists, man. Right. You got, you got certain artists that, that do like, like they, the hook man, like Nate Dawg was. You got certain people that that's basically not out here trying to be not runner, but it's always in the midst of a hit. Listen, he trying to be because he wouldn't sit there and say, I gave him a hit. Nah, for real. He, like, come on. Yeah. He trying to, he wouldn't say it. Yeah. He trying to be the hit. Well, I mean, did he give him a hit? No, he didn't. Why not? I mean, if it was mode three, that song was not as bad. No, that's not true. That's not true. I can honestly say though. No. I bought that song on iTunes before mode three was on it. There it is. I bought that song. There is evidence right there. But look, I bought that song before mode three was on it. It's on my iTunes right now. What did you think about it? It was a hard song, but when mode three got on it, but it wouldn't I agree with that. Just that, just that song, it wouldn't, it was a good song to listen to, but it wasn't going to be worldwide. It was just a cool song. Mode three made that song global, worldwide. You know what I'm saying? Because he died. And that even added mode traction to it. And is that OG Bobby Billions fuck? No. No, no, no. I ain't never said more. All I'm saying is he made the, and the dude made waves also for people that's in the family of mode three like he's saying. That song, his song basically opened doors and put finances in people's pockets. Yeah. Stop playing. That's his song. That's cool. And he, and he still did right by it. So now he wouldn't done that song with Trap, but I think that's why y'all got your rough every damn about either side. Yeah. No, that's real. That's what I'm saying. I'm going to do a song with both of them. No. I don't fuck. Fuck y'all going to do. No, for real. That's true though. But no, man. You think you should have done that? Because he said on the last one that I posted that mode three wouldn't have had a problem with him doing a song with Trap, boy. If he was alive. No, I don't, I don't think he would have either. It was timing. Yeah. It was just timing. To y'all do with Trap, boy. Yeah, it was timing. Yeah. He knew. So do you think that is that everybody else in Dallas, because I'm seeing a, I'm not seeing the big hit now, guys. Yeah. I mean, I've seen it from outside. Where's the next big hit that takes not only Dallas by storm, but all other surrounding states, the whirlwind goes all the way back up to the West Coast where the niggas say I want to feature. You know what I'm saying? Let me, I'm talking about the next hit. Let me, let me educate you into my own home real fast. Come on with it. So I, Big Stepper, right? Okay. I created a global trend. People don't get my credit for that shit. Okay. We still got, I made Big Stepper the song three years ago. Two and a half, three years ago. We still got people right now making songs called Big Stepper. Okay. We still got people using Stepper as a known word now. And they, you know, in everyday life. Right. So that's that. The only thing that stopped me with Big Stepper, I was traveling the world with it. That stopped me was COVID. COVID stopped me dead in my motherfucking tracks. But I'm going to get to the point where you just said, the only thing that make a hit is the emphasis you put behind it. And what I mean by that is Big Stepper was my biggest record because it was the harder, it was the biggest song that I went and put all my money behind and went to every DJ in the city. And you know what I'm saying? So this Nick, I haven't did that with another song I hadn't tried to. Okay. So to answer your question, you make the hit. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people don't understand it, but you make the hit. Listen to the radio. I don't trash that song. Yeah. It's a million trash songs. Open, open, open, open. You make the hit. You got to put money. Man, this shit is money. When I say I go to every DJ and pay them, every DJ in the city know. I ain't never asked for shit free. I didn't went to them as a man of business and paid them to play my song. And a lot of artists don't understand it or they just don't got the budget to do that. You know what I'm saying? And every DJs don't even want you to pay them. I'm so real now. I'm finna give you this because I want you to feel it when you playing it. You know what I'm saying? I want you to be like, I'm doing this for a reason. Not just I'm playing this shit. How important do you feel radio play is? It's important. It's important. And do you do you do around that avenue? I'm linked with baby. I'm linked with hit that. So I ain't worried about that. Yeah. It's just I haven't said, boom, I'm finna do this right now. I'm setting it up as we speak. Okay. So you'll start you'll see what I mean. Okay. But you make the hit. That's what I really trying to say. You make it. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Top three artists of all time did or alive. Yeah, we're game team. Let's go. Number one. Top three artists of all time did or alive. Right now, man. I can't lie. Oh, he said I already gave him to me now. I can't go with the Louisiana. I'm talking about right now. Yeah. Right now. No, just three artists. Your all time favorite. Dead or alive. It's gonna be my man. Drake. Drake. You're number one. Drake. Number one. Okay. You can't argue with the, you know, numbers don't lie. Great. We don't know. Numbers do lie. Number two. Who else I'm listening to, man. Like I said, this could be your favorite all time. Dead or alive. I know this might fuck all some people. I feel we are we are we are we are I fuck with I felt young boy man. Young boy. Yeah. I thought it was going to be home too. They say the anger he coming home. Yeah, yeah. Drake young boy number 3. Man, I got to go to the ornb 2. Who I got with who I foot with on R&B side. Man, I was so much music bro. I can't even put it on like three people. I can't even lie to you. Oh, Chris Brown, Chris Brown, Chris Brown. Do you think it better than Michael Jackson? No. Hey, show. Drake, NBA, and Chris Brown. No, I like it. If you ask me at any other time, it probably be somebody different, but Drake wouldn't have changed though. That's like my... Why is Drake number one? Just give me a breakdown. Just the shit he done in the amount of time, bro. Yeah. This shit crazy. Like what orders right now you're not bigger than Drake? Lil Baby ain't even bigger than Drake. And damn, how the fuck I forget Lil Baby? Man, I probably would have... I probably would have switched out... I know what you're gonna say. Yeah, I probably would have switched out young boy, uh, Chris Brown for the little baby right now. Yeah, you liking Lil Baby? Lil Baby hard enough, bitch. Really? And then he do this shit effortlessly. Like that nigga punch, he freestyle everything. I had a few people to tell me that you remind them of the way you look. You remind them of money bag, yo. Everybody say that. Yeah, I said man. Back in the... It used to be R. Kelly. Really? It used to be R. Kelly. That's who he bring up on the show all the time. Yeah. But everybody now, since money bag been on the scene, everybody say I look like money bag. Money bag, yo. Yeah, so you write about this shit. So what do you think about his music? I feel with money bag. I feel with money bag. I feel like money bag is a trendy, trendy artist. He makes, you know what I'm saying? He makes songs for whatever's going on right now type shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's where a lot of his hits come from if you notice. Yeah. What? Okay. And I'll ask you this. NBA young boy, man, you know, independent, running the scene pretty much locked up and still got number one hits. What do you think make him different than you? Because you had the same amount of time. That's so shit. I can't even answer that one. Like you said, man, God time. All right. You put it back on me. I can't argue with God time. You see what I'm coming at? You see what I'm going with it, right? Yeah, I know. That's how I know him from to make a million. I feel like if God would have gave me a million back then, I would have blew that shit right now. But me going through 200, blowing through $200, $300,000 now, once I once I get a million, I'm gonna actually know how to do it. Because you got to look, it's a lot of artists in the city who had a hit from the from the party boys. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people don't know I was around in their area. I was a kid though, you know what I'm saying? In the clubs with them trying to push my music. But long story short, if I would have had a big check body in it would have been gone. So I feel like now he's gonna give it to me because I know what to do with it. And I'm gonna help a lot of people. There it is. You know what I'm saying? Is it so NBA young boy just a little bit more about him? Do you feel like, yeah, you think he's gonna act right when he get out this time? And I'll tell you a secret. One of the secrets was before I even knew young boy, I knew dark skinner plug. You know what that is? Okay, no, I don't know. You know dark skinner plug. Dark skinner plug is a plug out here that stay out here for World Store. Okay. And I was talking to and I'm gonna tell you one of the secrets. This is for anybody new young boy. He was like, young boy, I've been a drop 2020 videos all on World Store back to back. Wow. You know how much that shitty like, damn, I didn't even think I didn't even think of a budget. But just just so you know, some of the prices I got for World Stars, 8,000 for videos to be put on there. You know what I'm saying? And I was like, damn, he's gonna drop 20. He was like, yeah, I don't know who who was his he had had some money. That's I'm trying to go to where you going? Or towards the question you asked me. So just imagine dropping 20 videos back to back on the biggest platform at that time. They had no choice but to get hip and tune to you. So they helped this career a lot. I had never seen somebody drop 20 World Store videos back to back at that time. Never shit. I didn't even have at that time. I had no money. So I already knew I couldn't. So you think that that pretty much behind him? Yeah, he had a big bag behind him. Yeah. Yeah. So do you because when he told me young boy, I was like, who the fuck is young boy? Like, who the hell is that became the biggest artist in the one of the biggest? Because I got a cheaper part than that. But that's more. Wow. So I think I think World Store be looking at niggas when thinking they got money and they'll hit your head or whatever you look like you got more fucking $8,000 just to be put on. They paid me crazy. So is this your brand? Huh? The brand you were? I know. This is a little brand out of Atlanta, man. So do you have a brand? Oh, I got a record label called AFNT. AFNT. It's got all my merch. Do you have merch? Yeah, I got a little bit of merch. I got boxes and shit like that. But I'm finna start back up. I ain't really been focused on merch right now. But let me know if there's something I can help you on. I'll be in the clothing deal forever. Yeah, you'll be. Yeah, I've been doing this. So ain't no nigga in the city. Let me pop mine a little bit and you'll come see me. No, but I've been selling clothes a long, long time. So but I always look at ways that you have to take that very if I could give you anything, take the merchandise very serious because every store that you see me with or it's because of clothes. They always come with branding. It's so important when you deal them with the music. It runs hand in hand. That's true. Because everybody you gotta find something people will support you to the end. As long as you got something to give them, you know that. That's real. And they took the CDs away that tangible hand in hand. So we gotta find ways around that now. True. And so we gotta have merch, merch is that. Caps, hats, draws, socks, whatever we can do to try to market the the brand. I actually got a big step or clothing line from to come out. Dope. I like that. I like that. I got a big step or clothing line. It should be out probably like in the next month, month and a half. And I'm uh I guess collabing with another brand call season three. So there'll be it you'll see it on my page pretty much in in a little bit. Yeah. If you could work with anybody it would be Drake. Don't say it. Who would it be? It'd be Drake. Because you gotta look. You get a song with Drake. You you really are written on the mouth. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You get a song with Drake. You're gonna eat off streams. You're gonna eat off streams alone. Yeah. Yeah. So, that would be the guy. So, I knew when I asked you that I'm like, oh no, he going Drake. How much he charge for a feature? Man. I mean, there ain't no telling man. I it's it ain't no less than 200k. That's cool. 200. You're gonna get it back. 200, 300. Yeah, you're gonna get that back. You're gonna get that back. That's the part of the same month. But just saying that, you gotta look at how much money and music bro. People get 300k just for 20 seconds of their voice, 25 seconds of their voice. Shit crazy. Do you think that you would do would have done better if you had, you know, like shopped outside of just Louisiana and Texas, maybe up west coast, east coast, Atlanta, you know, Florida. You mean with a big step or what? Period. Just when you went in the early stages when you was coming out, you know. Yeah. I know the capability. Well, maybe the opportunity may not have been there. Yeah, but if you had it. If I would have had it, I would have made a difference. It would have made a big difference, but I was so lost. Like I said, I didn't have nobody. I didn't have anybody. Like literally zero. You know what I'm saying? And I didn't know which way to move. I didn't even know how to be able to reach out to a person in Atlanta who would I talk to, but now I do. You know what I'm saying? Now I'm connected. Now, you know, do them meet in Greece in Atlanta, Oklahoma. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, but it would have helped for sure. For sure. I had a rain on here. Rain say that nobody packs out a venue over 2000, like Mo3D. Do you feel like you'll be at that level to pack out a venue? I'm gonna be one of the biggest faces of the city. Like, I'd be one of the biggest artists out of the city. You'll see. Do you, you mentioned say, you mentioned Worldstar, but you didn't mention, and we mentioned Half-Pine, but we didn't mention Say Cheese. I knew you were gonna say that. So Say Cheese. Say Cheese. What's the deal with you and Mr. Sean Cotton? I mean, how? Why you saying that? Because I just, you posted, if you dealing with music in all these years, you and him supposed to be the brand into each other or something in this Dallas market. He from Philly, but he lived in Dallas like you from a very young age. So why do you think that he never even recognized you? Do y'all have a relationship? No. I've been trying to, I've been trying to get that dude, man. But you know, I just, I always just went to shit. Just keep working. Okay. Eventually, you know, eventually motherfucking catch on. But you gotta look, I've never had a Say Cheese post. I've never had a Word store. That's what I was asking. I've never had a Say Cheese post. I've never had a Word store post. None of that shit. All this after muscle, after grind. You feel me? Why not a Say Cheese post when that's what a lot of guys do from this area? They work for that. Huh? No, no, like people pay you. What you say? They work for a Say Cheese post. They work for it. Some people paid it for that post. So why haven't you ever invested in it? I might. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I might and I'm not gonna lie with this next video I dropped, which is I'm up now. I might invest in a post because I hear that's a, you know, that's that ain't too much. I hear I ain't go, I don't even know how to put it on here. You know what I'm saying? But I hear that's pretty affordable. Yeah, but let me not ask that because it's like fishing. Yeah. When you go fishing, you country boy, you know, you take out a beetle spin or or a bait or you gotta fish. You gotta throw what's, you know, some on Say Cheese might hit for you harder than anything ever is. Let's see, this is the thing. Or, you know, you go on different platforms. It has to be controversial. I don't say cheese. I'm just saying, if you want it to hit, if you want it to hit hit, it gotta be controversial. You know what I'm saying? I get it. Yeah. It gotta be controversial. It gotta be. You don't think it can be just a good song. Outside was a good song. You say you you purchased it. It wasn't controversial when you purchased it. No, it wasn't. So what you see what I'm saying? It could be something that's so good that people just gotta have it. No, no. Because you're a good, you you are this. Yeah. I get what you say in the country first part because everything you look at, you looking at it from your eye gate and you understand. You gotta understand these bloggers have learned that clickbait is worse at now. And you know what I mean by clickbait? Where it be like K-21 said, fuck such and such. You know what I'm saying? Click on it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's where that's where they get you at now. Oh, fuck that. It's almost like how I went viral this time. K-21 said he'll be Trap Boy and Lil' Runny. You know what I'm saying? That was clickbait but everybody fell into it without even watching the interview. You feel me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I heard you said you were better than you top three or something in the city. And I heard that before I heard the boy. I could even see you. I heard that. Trap Boy just started getting good this year. I didn't got I didn't got so much backlash from that but it's like I accepted it because I'm gonna stand on what I see. And people are like what? I'm gonna start feeling like I'm top one in a minute. You'll see. Top one. Who do you think is better than you in the city right now? I ain't say nobody was. I'm just saying. I ain't say nobody was. That's a true statement. I don't think nobody is. So you think that you don't think yellow make better music than you? I think he had a bigger he got a bigger status than I do right now but I don't think he can make more better. I don't think he can make better music than me. No. I don't really ask that because that's that's the one right now that. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one. Yellow the biggest artist out of the city right now. He's bigger than Trap. He's bigger than me. You know what I'm saying? Right now at this point but you gotta look. Life ain't no race. It's a marathon. For sure. For sure. You got me right now. I was shit. I was broke. I was broke two years ago but I got 200, 300 now. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna surpass. So will you you and take money of a drop of song together? Nah, but we finna uh. We finna uh. I heard you earlier but that's opportunity. I think that's a good feature to go get right there. That'll be a good one. Yeah. He my my partner know we got a show coming up pretty soon. Me and her and me and her gonna talk about it then and there. I got people that know her people so it's gonna be easy. You know what I'm saying? Because she elevating like a motherfucker too. Yeah. Yeah. She from that's kind of. I don't even give me the little Texas but yeah. She rap Dallas but do you ever tap in East Texas and go down and do shows or? Fuck we eat Texas bro. I'm being real. I'm from down there so I'm asking because they watched this show heavy to be honest with you. Yeah. I fought with Abilene, Abilene, Kaleen East. I fought with all them parts man. All the smaller towns right. You gotta fuck with them. Like you got to. Like I fought with it be a lot of my on my fan page on my on my you know what I'm saying that from East Texas. So I fought with East Texas a whole bunch man. Well man and then how can people get a hold to you which I know you you million up but let's go ahead and say it anyway. Oh you already know man. Instagram I'm on K2 on fine music. You know I'm saying I changed my name to K from K2 on fine to K2 on fine music because I'm going through the verification process right now. You know I'm saying I have my blue checks pretty soon for them hating that niggas out there. Got that blue check baby. I'm a nigga that niggas got at me about this and nigga ain't got a blue check bro. I don't even know what that shit mean though. What you got to buy for what I think. What is it going to change when I get it because I'm about to. I think you can start getting paid for it. Because now I get paid already. Now you got no damn blue juice like for my reels and stuff like that when you get so many followers. Yeah. But what. You understand for a flight heavy here like bigger money like I understand you getting paid for small stuff. Yeah. So a lot of people getting paid for small stuff. So yeah that's that's that's what I'm going through. Everybody though if you don't have a certain amount of people they don't they don't give you that I'm like on your reels and all that. For shit show. You know what I'm saying. That's what you gotta think. But yeah but man I have my blue check soon uh we didn't even talk about uh 50 cent posting me and his. 50 cent posting you. Posting me on his website in his magazine. My homeboy camp the one got an idea what he got posted too. So I don't know. What I don't know. That's what I'm saying. I don't know if he picked the story up. I don't know what I even caught there in Houston. He been coming to Dallas a lot. You know I had a show with 50 and Boosie in the same club before that shit was epic. So maybe they maybe they seen something in you. That shit was crazy. You'll never know what a nigga here man say. But this is shit you can Google. You know what I'm saying. So 50 how did you hear about that. Shit my partner hit me on one day it was like because he he a big magazine. I don't know. Ed or whatever the fuck it is. He was like man you know 50 cent just posted you through that is going this is 50 magazine. I'm like hell no. You know what I'm saying. He sent me the link and that's how I found out. And I posted it on my page. And and did niggas niggas say that's fake too. Shit that's what I'm saying. You can go Google that though. You know what I'm saying. He nigga will come at you boy. They gonna come at you. I love that shit. That's good. I feel good. It's anything like that. Self feel good. Yeah. Yeah. Man I had to learn bro because like I told you I've never been that type person in that type of light either. I had to learn that that shit really been you really benefit from that shit. Mm hmm. How long had you been how long had it been on the magazine because when you found out had it been on there or it just happened. No I think he just put it on there like four days ago. Okay four days before that. It got a little article about me in there. What did they say. It's a little bit. Just a co-sign from Drake. That's it. Really it had the Drake co-sign on there. It had the Drake stuff on there. Yeah. And where I was from and all that kind of stuff. Yeah everything Drake. Louisiana up to Texas and all that. That's dope man. That's dope. That's fave. And that's the crazy part. Fave ain't fair either. It's like that. I ain't even know nothing about it. People don't believe you like nigga I knew nothing about that. You know what I'm saying. Wow. Like I don't know who's picking this shit up. Who's in charge. I don't know none of this shit. 50 Sittles Hustler nigga man. He probably he watch it. Not a fact. I think you don't never know who watching. You don't know. You don't know. That's why you got it. That's why you got to just keep going man. I tell so many artists on my shows now. Bro like don't give up because you never know who watching. You never know. One and it all it take is one hit to change your whole life. I've already experienced it. Yeah. I'm still getting booked out big step. I hate I'm tired of that song. You know what I'm saying. That's a blessing man. You know what I'm saying. I'm still booked out that song and it's three years old. Yeah. Do you anything on Kodak Black you a fan of? I follow Kodak. Yeah. You like his music? Yeah. I follow Kodak. But I can't really I can't really see him a lot to like I can recite. You don't know nothing about me. Recite a verse of Kodak fully. All the baby. All the baby. Hell no. I can't. Never ride with it. They think I say all the baby. All the baby. New niggas man. Shit. But I get it because you so focused on your music. That's true. And there's nothing wrong with that. That is a hundred percent. Say man we love you brother. Hey man I appreciate you. Listen man if there's anything else you want to get off your chest for you get out that seat. Hey man. Shit like I said top three in the motherfucking city. Boys say the top three. Hey listen. Boss top. The niggas say niggas say niggas in man. The niggas say the top the top niggas three. He say he won. In the city. Hey. No he say he won. Hey. I don't know about him. So. So I'm the one. So I'm the B. He said he won. Hey what do you think you're number one? God you say God looked that up. He said number one. Number one baby. Number one. Number one. No I think I know one of our practice. Hey. Here we go again. This nigga bipolar rapper. I don't even got time for this tonight. Really he rap one day. Next day he done with rap. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I ain't rapping till boss talk blew up. Oh that is real. So what's up with that. So. And I mean boss talk already blown up. Shit he been on my radio. I ain't a lot. I'm cool. Like you started. Hey. Thank you so much man. No that is real. So rain water. Do you ever think you could go into the main. I'm gonna ask you this because I mess with it. You think you could be managed by rain water. Let me answer that truly. Be real. I ain't a lot man but you know being in the city so long rain water name is tainted. Okay. That's the word for you know what I'm saying. It's tainted. You say you don't do good being this. I'm pretty sure him in mode three had good as a good as relationship. So I'm pretty sure he never probably did none of the mode three. But asking me right now what I let rain water manage me. I wouldn't let him manage me now. Do you feel like he's a good. Because he did a lot of that footwork you just were talking about going to these places. Yeah. Getting people to be there. I can't knock what him in mode three did. They did something you know what I'm saying. Big. Big big. But right now I would in order for somebody like rain water to be my manager I would have to come up with him as a kid or some shit. You know what I'm saying. Okay to really trust him. Yeah to really trust him because I don't trust nobody bro. I get he got trust issues. Man what. And you gotta look we talking about the rap game. The rap game. You just said it was like wrestling. This shit faked fuck. Wow. This shit faked hell man. They pick who they want. So they can puppet them. That's it. Wow. Hey man thank you so much for coming on the show man. I got one more question. Whoa. Miss Jamaica got you to leave. It's gonna be serious. So why all those tattoos. I ain't gonna lie man. I get tattooed when I get bored. That's an honest question. I mean answer to you. I get a tattoo when I'm bored. You know what I'm saying. Some of them mean stuff. But it got so addicted to the point. I didn't want to see them on skiing. Wow. That's how I get to the guy. It got that bad. You know what I'm saying. What was your first tattoo. Have you ever been to prison. No. Hell no. You know they always talk about you know with the tattoos. Hell yeah I ain't going either. First tattoo. What was it. First tattoo was my mama name on my neck. Wow. Yeah. You went there. Yeah. The first one. Yeah. That's dope. Mom's still alive. You gotta look. This yeah my mom's still alive. But I didn't even say this. I was tattooed up at 11 years old. Wow. Yeah. I've been tattooed. Everybody knows. Like I was tattooed in 8th grade. 7th grade. Yeah. Wow man. That's dope. But what enticed you to get tattoos at that young age. Man this is that's a deep ass question. Because I'm going to honestly tell you in this it's from the bottom of my heart when I say this. I always knew I was going to be what I am now. Wow. If that makes sense. Like I always knew that like I'm going to be big. Like I'm going to be a rapper. I'm going to be always in a and this is how I want to look. So I always was getting out of these tattoos for my image. Wow. So you already was looking at marketing strategies at 11 years old. Yeah. I was already that's I didn't I didn't know it was marketing strategy at that point. But I just knew I wanted I wanted to be a rapper. You know what I'm saying. And that's what it looked like. Yeah. And that's what it had looked like. You know what I'm saying. Wow. That's dope man. Yeah. H1 for it. And you wanted to be like everybody else. Yeah. I mean I was looking at AI at the time and shit too. You know he influenced me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. That's dope man. Well thank you so much man for coming on the show man. We love you. Boss talk 101 approved now man. You with us now man. Sure sure. Yeah. Yeah. Every time you have something you want to drop or it's something that you're trying to get off your chest. You hit me up man. Same to y'all. For real. Because it's going to be most shit to me. I'm it's going to be a whole bunch of crunches. All I can say is come see me. We're going to sit down at the round table. We're going to figure it out man. Sure. And I appreciate you for coming on blessing our platform man. All right man for sure. Same man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101.