 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Any moment of silence? Okay, is there any additions to the agenda? It's on number three. On those new agendas in the past round. Okay, so it's already been. Yeah, if you want to go through those additions, but those are what they are. Nothing more than one. Under number three here, do you accept the gifts? Is that what you're going for? No. All right. So additions are under Patriot Communications. Add Joseph Helping. Add Joseph Helping. Add Joseph Helping. Okay, PMS. Under Patriot Communications, add Sheriff Rob Laskins and School Resource Officer Leo Lovely. Under Personnel, add WHS Counselor Kevin Sullivan. Summer Weights, add Jeff Rutledge, Jared Eck, Dakota Sutherland. Sharing Supplemental. And then substitute add Brandy. Correct. Apologize for being late everyone. Appreciate you taking over. Next, then I guess we're moving on to reports. No, we don't have a motion to approve them. Oh, I'm going to go through. Okay, so Jim, all those opposed, say aye. Motion carried. All right, now we're moving on to reports. Principal Helping. The only thing I have to add to my written report, because that seems like to work better than I wrote that, was just that we have had all-league selections since then. And I'd just like to congratulate all our organizing girls for their state appearances and placing. But all-league for the girls, Lauren Shutter and Maddie Horsford who was honorable to mention all-league. And then for the boys, Tyler Loeweimer and Brayden Mizikey were both selected first team. And Kay Alder and Dawson Schultz were both honorable to mention. So unless you have any other questions about my written report, I don't have anything else to add. Thank you. Good to follow. I don't have anything to add. We just started track practice today because of the weather and anticipated rain. We stayed here in Mexico and ran around the building a little bit. But we've got about 30, 35 kids out. So good numbers again. And I'm excited to get that going. But other than that, if I can answer any questions, that's all I've got. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Cravey. Yes, I have nothing to add to my report. Other than we did start, we have some students who do qualify for ESOL. And so we've started some technical testing and have to be finished on the 31st of this month. We're getting in back real heavy. So we'll knock out today. Thank you. Freddie. I don't have anything further to add. Unless somebody has any questions. Thanks for coming. Josh. I don't have anything to add. Sorry. All right. Thank you all. Appreciate it. I'll turn it over again to you. Kelly moved and Tony seconded. All those opposed say aye. Motion carried. And then moving down to old and new business, investment grade auto is first. Before we do that, Mr. President, with, I know we didn't have a future communication on there because we didn't have them previously but with the added conditions, so with Sheriff Robb's here and SRO Leo. Okay, I'm sorry I missed, I'm sorry I wasn't here then, so you bet. Sheriff Robb. How you doing? Good. First off, I want to apologize, every time I speak publicly I get the hiccups, so if I hiccup, that's just a natural reaction. This is Leo Loving, he's a new SRO, he's been with us since the first year. He came just from Decatur County, he graduated from the law enforcement training center last year. He's been a welcome addition to our office, to our staff, and to the schools. We went into this SRO program, not knowing what to expect. We had ideals and goals, but it was a first for us for the schools here, the schools down in Mission Valley. First off, I'd be remiss, I want to thank you all for the support, both financially and just the positive support you gave to my office by supporting this program and accepting the grant that was bestowed upon us. The program has been a success. I wish I could stand here and say there have been no problems, no issues, and our SROs are just hanging out with the kids and playing volleyball or dodgeball all day long, but I'm not going to lie to you. I expected, with the COVID, with the lockdown shut down, that the SROs that we hired were going to be busy, and they have been. And today, there have been over 40 different incidents and reports generated by our SROs, both here, and that is just this school. I guess there's about 75 all together, but through the Wabudsi School District, there have been approximately 40 reports. That would equate to about 15% of the reports we've taken in the last six months. The reports range. We knew kids were going to come back and be telling us some horror stories when they come back to school, and they have. We've had to take five, six kids into protective custody, four of which I know were removed from their homes because of conditions or because of some type of abuse or neglect going on. That right there, to me, says this program is a success. We have kids that are willing to come to school and say, there's something going on. It's not good for me. That's a big step for kids. It's trauma, and it's something that we hope to support them through. The unfortunate thing and the reality of Wabudsi County is a lot of times we take kids into protective custody. We have to move from Wabudsi County because of the lack of foster care, the lack of approved homes. In one way, the kids come forward. In another way, we have to approve from everything that they've done and remove them. They're placed in a foster home. We've had to take kids as far away as liberal Kansas. It's a critical need within our community. We know of any families that would have thought about becoming foster parents or whatever. I urge them to get a hold of the DCF and go through the process because it is a need. Believe it or not, in our county it's a need. We've had an incident at the high school that you're all aware of. Because it is an on-going investigation, the criminal charges have been filed, but it hasn't been adjudicated yet. I can't answer a lot of questions, other than to tell you it has to be concerned. Concerned enough that this Friday we're sponsoring a town hall meeting at the high school. It's going to be very informative. We're going to have individuals here from the mental health services, from Child Crisis Services and the FBI to address this issue that we're facing. And it's not going away. As long as our kids have one of these, have to be on the computer for remote learning, have to be on the computer at home for anything, it's going to be an issue for us. It's been an issue in the past, but it's really come to light a lot this past year. And I urge each and every one of you to come to that meeting to bring your spouses, grandparents, encourage friends, families, anybody that's concerned about our kids. The breakthrough we need to have with our kids is to get them where they feel safe to talk to somebody, an adult that cares, an adult that, you know, can help them find the answers that they need. We have found that perpetrators, they prey on our kids, they find a weakness, and they exploit it. We're playing a lot of times, our kids, you know, don't have that relationship. I'm not saying we're bad parents, you know, I've raised my share and now I've got grandkids at the house. But, you know, the kids feel shame, they feel, you know, they know they've done something that they shouldn't have done, they've done something wrong, and the person's trying to exploit them, and they have fear about being able to come to the parents and saying, hey, I did this, I did that, you know, and they get exploited. And that's what's happening in a lot of these cases, and it breaks my heart. I wish that it wasn't happening, but it is. Again, I encourage everybody to come to the meeting on Friday and say, can't come with our pitchforks and be ready, but we can come and listen and get some ideas on what we need to do, or what our kids are facing. It just amazes me some of the things that we find out that, you know, you think it's a problem somewhere else, that it's not. And as I talked to sheriffs around the state, I talked to sheriffs from Johnson County, from Bader County, from counties bigger than us and smaller than us, and we're all facing the same issue. And we're all in this boat together. I know you all care about our kids. Let's do what we can to help them out. And at that, Leo is doing a real good job for us. I hope we keep him a long time. Again, thank you for the support to bring this program, you know, to get this grant, to get these officers in our school. It's something we've needed for a long time. We just didn't have the funding for it. Thank you for backing us up. Appreciate it. If you have any questions you may have, I'll be more willing to answer any questions you may have. Any concerns? Thank you very much for your time. Thank you, too. Appreciate it. There was a lot going into the SRO on your guys' side, too, so we are glad that you helped us out through the project, too, because it has been very good. It's something I wanted to do ever since I took office. You bet. I made it a promise. I'll try to keep it. Thank you. You all take care. Thank you. Thank you. See you next time. Is this Jessica? Is that Jessica? No. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so now we can go down to old business, old new business, and the investment, great on it, right? Yes. Okay. Hello, Leo. My name is Perry. I'm with Entity Solutions Professionals. And we're here to look at some results and direction. And if you operate or air, okay. So, y'all will recall that the idea was to look at doing things that set you up to pay less money in utilities and direct that reduction in utility costs to women things that you needed to take care of. So, in the investment, great audit, what we did is looked at each of the facilities. Very good. Identified working with Freddie and staff, priority items that needed to be addressed. One roast, not like the other. One air conditioner, not like the other. And we came up with a couple of looks that, regardless of what you do with your bond issue, can be of help. So, through the whole process, we've been talking with the district about what the future looks like. So, this is specifically put together focusing on the facilities that are going to be part of the district's future, regardless of what we do with the bond issue. It doesn't make sense to go change out a bunch of light bulbs in the middle school if you're not going to be using it. So, we took those things into account. So, as we step through this, these are budgetary numbers, pretty solid budgetary numbers or actually actual quotes. What we're looking to hear tonight is confirmation of the direction that we're going. And then we'll do the final calculations and the final quotes. We expect them to be better than what we'll present. We're going to be presenting a conservative view. So, there's no patience, wishing or any of that stuff going on. Things that I'll ask you to think about. Right now, as I understand it, the middle school is not going to be a part of the next school year as an educational facility. As I understand it, we're looking at a November bond issue that may also change the footprint of our learning facilities. Is that fair? So, when we go through this, I've got two different looks. One for if we don't do the without the bond issue, looking at the core facilities. And then another one, at least on the last bond issue, you looked at bringing students out of Maple Hill Elementary and doing a consolidation. And that changes things somewhat dramatically as well. Other thing to think about the COVID relief money as it gets apportioned to schools in the second to the last round and this round also allows for schools to use that to improve the indoor environment. Balancing what you expect to receive between operational requirements and what you want to do with the summer school program and some of those expenses. Balancing that against where you might invest in using those extra budgetary dollars and replacing some HVAC which lets the energy savings replace a rough. That's the other thing. And where that balance point lies and we had some some discussion last week and we've got some recommendations. Essentially it's don't think about committing more than half of any of the code money to facilities. It means while you're working through your operational needs. Is that a fair representation? Yes. But to think about where it does make sense to use some of those funds that are extra budgetary that can take care of stuff that you're going to have to take care of one way or the other. So with that said a little bit of can everybody see this okay? Or are we able to see this on the Zoom okay? So this is actually a dynamic worksheet where this described something that we looked at either changing out light bulb. Light bulbs. Tighten them up. Weather stripping and whatnot. Changing out HVAC units. Looking at roofs. But this column talks about the what. These are budget numbers on the amount of energy that particular thing would say on an annual basis. These are the numbers for the reduction in spending for basically parts. Maintaining if you put in a new system, the cost goes down. We didn't use any of the budgetary costs because we didn't play forward into any strategic plans that didn't feel responsible as you're working through. So this is the positive impact in terms of an annual budget. Again budgetary calculations and there will be more added to this depending on the direction that we go. If you replace an older conditioner with a newer conditioner it's going to use less energy. It's going to have savings. Assuming that you use it the same way. But everything comes at a price. So these are very solid budget numbers or quotations. And then just to put things into a wee bit of perspective. If you think about it in terms of simple payback that give us a benchmark. But that's how this is set up. And then if we select something or deselect it, then it populates and the numbers all roll up. So the idea here is if you have questions about any of the specifics. Or you say, you know, the gym roof is bothering me more than the main building roof. Then we adjust it. Based on the roofing report from a few years ago. And I don't know, how many hours were we up on the roof a couple of weeks ago? More than two. Yeah, more than two. Actually did core samples to understand if there had been water infiltration and what we could do. Sometimes tearing everything off and replacing it isn't the right answer. We in fact, Starns introduced us to a local company that has a technique for if the roof is sound. Has a technique for doing overlays. Think of it as putting another layer of shingles on a home room. But they use it with different epoxies and different sealants. They still get you an 18 year warranty. Which is pretty close to what you get with the new roof. And the pricing is about 30% less than the three year old pricing that we got through Greenwich. So significant savings. How I got this organized? The things in Green are things that have a positive cash flow effect. So the idea of doing a lighting retrofit for the junior high. The idea of doing a lighting retrofit over at the high school. The plans that I've seen and we've been introduced to Maria over at HDK. All my elementary, it looks like the annex is going to be a part of any plan going forward. Okay, makes sense to do light changes there. The classrooms a little bit up in the air. So the way this package is put together. Don't do the classroom light changes if those classrooms are going to be going away. And count on that savings to be there through the years. We can, but we don't recommend it. And that's the difference between this line doing the entire elementary school and this line. So you can see we're counting, we're focused on the facilities that are going to be part of the district's future. Regardless of the final directions. And it's not even final directions because everybody knows something's going to change in five years. So I appreciate you all being here. I appreciate the effort that you put into it. But I'm not sure I'd want to do the challenge that you all got to do over a long time. In any case, a lot of the savings is generated by changing out light bulbs. It's just, it's physics. The LEDs take a lot less energy. Another thing that we did that's a little bit different is when we looked at the HVAC, the air conditioning units, if you want to call them that. There are some that are physically, they're still intact. And we looked at, do we recommend replacing them or do we refurbish them? Significantly less money involved in refurbishing them. And you don't get 20 to 25 years. You get five, seven additional years. But in terms of a cost benefit for some of the units, that makes sense. And it actually, because of the efficiency in doing the refurbishment, it becomes a cash contributor to the project. So and in the end, that's what we're looking to do. We're looking to be good stewards, take care of what we can with our current budget independent of where you go with the bond issue, but do what we can. And that also helps, right? That we don't have all this expense redone in somebody 15 years from now or whatever, having to go through it again. So it's going to be, quote, faced at different times based upon your retrofit. It breaks the budget cycle, the boom and bust budget cycle. It starts to set you up to face that. Now, the middle school, not going to have students. We don't recommend doing things to the equipment. We don't recommend replacing the equipment. But we do recommend while it's on the books that you don't just throw the crackers and shut it down completely. There's an urban legend in the energy engineering community about somebody who was a new energy manager and right after they cleaned the carpets one summer, killed all the power in the elementary school. They came back in the fall and there was so much black mold that it cost less to tear it down and build a new school than do the remediation. And I don't know, Freddie, how many busted pipes were you dealing with? Seven. More than one. Anytime you start talking about busted pipes and you put an S on the end of it, just do not. So there's still going to be some energy use. And what this line is about, and we did have a good conversation with the FCI folks and they told us how they want us to do the calculations. But this is to reconfigure the middle school so it'll be basically laid up, but laid up in a way that's not going to cause a problem. And just for reference, FCIP educational acronyms, we'll get at those. But it's the company or the group of Kansas State that's through the state that is the watchtower. They oversee everything. So if they say this is the savings that you get, that's a guaranteed amount that they would be able to see. And so that's FCIP has strict guidelines unless we did it ourselves, which I would recommend not doing something to do and do your own RFQs and everything else. But they, the state, for a fee, involved then they guarantee that and they're the watchtowers. They make sure that that's done. They're the chief eye-dollars and tea-crossers. So understanding, since this is a little bit different, understanding and having the blessing of the watchtowers on how to do this. I just share that from the perspective of, here's Terry, he's throwing up a bunch of numbers. What about you, Huey? I don't do Huey, but I also have, through the Kansas Corporation Commission, they hire people at Kate's State to make sure that we've got numbers you can give them about. So what you wind up with is about 43 grand a year that if you look at a finance package over a 15-year period, you'll get some more stuff done. That's the bottom line. That's the whole reason to go through this process. So when we looked at the HVAC needs, these were the three line items, the old gym at the high school, the units there, the three rooftop units over the annex, and then the unit that serves the gym over here. We did not address the original high school thinking that that would be more appropriate to be part of the total bond package. And frankly, the dollar amount is going to wind up being significant. So we'll work with Maria and share our findings and see if that can help inform the budgeting process. Certainly some of the contractors that I talked to were like, man, that's a beautiful building. Let's get in there and see what we can do to make it last for another 30 years, four years. So you've got a lot of potential, some great bones, which way you wind up going with it. The other thing that went into not the original high school didn't hit this list is that it's functioning. So it may not be the most energy efficient, but it's working. You've got air conditioning. We do look at replacing lights except for the auditorium. It didn't look like the auditorium was used enough to make that a practical thing in terms of getting things paid back. But those were the three things that we looked at. And you can see that we've got costs. So HVAC, well, the things that save money can contribute to the project at an up to about $185,000. The HVAC changeouts have to well over $200,000. When we looked at the roofing, looked at, there were three roofs from the study a couple of years ago that was secured using Greenbush, another good group to leverage so that she gets some validation in the pricing and some pre-qualification. Two of the roofs were the old Jim Ruff at the high school and the main building roof over here. And if we, in both of those cases, what we're looking at doing is basically putting a couple of layers of insulation and sealant over the top of them to get you an 18-year warranty. But it's also, we added in the hail resistant option so you've got a durable roof. It's a really kind of an innovative process. But for some of the roofs, where we've got white roofs and they're flat, it's a matter of layering on sealants so there's no problem with nooks and crannies and flashing in most of those places as things typically would leak. And it's a couple of coats so that you wind up with basically put the seal over the thing. For the roofs that are not the white roof, whether it's tar and gravel or something else, look at, this is something that's been used since the mid-70s. You lay down basically a stiring, a really hard, stiring, call it a foam coating if you want, but you can hit it with a hammer and nothing happens to it. That does three things. It bonds with the nooks and crannies. You don't have to take off the old roof if you don't have any moisture under the old roof. So save you money and for those who are concerned about it, you don't have to cart it off to the landfill. But it also insulates better. So you get a great seal on an uneven roof with less labor by using a different material, a different approach. And then we put the seal over the top of that. So Texas A&M, one of the better engineering schools in the country, has been using this since 1976. That's part of how we save money over the green bushes. The third roof that was a concern in that report was over the main building over at Maple Hill Elementary. And I've got the Maple Hill Elementary items in a different section on purpose. And again, that's about a 30% discount over three-year-old estimates. And everybody is telling me that the price of everything is accelerating. So the roofing guys are telling me pricing is anticipated to go up 7% to 9% between this coming summer and next coming summer. I don't know about you all, but I got a buddy who went out and got a bunch of 2x4s, went up paying two and a half times what he used to. Another contractor we work with just paid three times the price of a truckload of conduit that he did a year ago. So even with that pricing escalation, still a savings over the previous course. And then over at Maple Hill Elementary, we're including going through the light, weather stripping, caulking, that kind of stuff that you do around your own house, and the roofing. I wouldn't trust anybody not to do this kind of work without being bonded. So bonds are a real cost. There is always the chance of something that was weird. The way we handle contingency is we budget for it, and then if there's nothing, you guys would approve any, or whoever you designate would approve any use of it, and then it rolls right back into paying things a lot if you don't use all of it. So your money, but it's a budget item. And then keeping an eye on the energy through the first year as part of the guarantee and doing warranty management. So this is the recommended conservative package that assumes that the middle school will not be used in fall as an educational facility that Maple Hill Elementary will be used for the foreseeable future. Thoughts, questions? Yes, sir? Related to HVAC, as Smith said, you didn't do one on the high school, the original landfill building itself. Yes, sir. Do you know what the approximate lifespan, remaining lifespan is on those units? So I started my career in the Navy and I have a lot of respect for boilers. The boilers seem to come online and be fine. At an age where somebody roughhounds and slams into a desk into a pipe and you've got a problem. So in the individual units in the individual rooms are starting to have some leaks in the lines. It's an educated guess. I think that you're going to be able to limp along for the next couple of years, maybe, but I wouldn't want to pass that on some of those individual systems. I really, really, really wouldn't. When you're talking about the individual systems, are you talking about the air conditioning units or the boilers? You all have gotten more years out of both the individual units and the boiler than there are ever designed to run. And it's as much the piping that the boiler serves as the boiler itself that I would be concerned about. But I think you're going to wind up needing to do something. Certainly before five years, but possibly in the next few years. Is that a responsive, sir? For both the boiler and the individual units. The individual units are less of an issue because they're individuals. So the individual, if one classroom unit goes down, you've got a relatively small impact. But even their lifespan? They're approaching the end of their lifespan and the way that they're set up, we've already started to incur costs because of line cracks and the leakage of the refrigerant. Is there any more than just the unit to talk about the line keeping going? Yes, sir. When I say the unit, I mean the system that sits outside, the line's going up and what's in the classroom. To put this... I'm sorry. But to clear up that though, too, is none of that was bigger than anything you did here because that was going to be better served in the bond program. Certainly you could offer. It's a matter of a recommendation to get the most bang out of the bucks that we were able to find. We are happy to help with recommendations. In fact, there's a school district about a little bit smaller over by Raul and Missouri where we're helping them execute on the design and implementation of their bond issues. So it's not that we don't do this work. It's that for these dollars, we feel you get the most bang for your buck taking this approach, sir. Could you scroll up on this and that goes to the... So that simple payback, could you describe what exactly that... So that's... When you look at the total annual savings divided into the price, so... How many years are you going to be looking at? How many years before the savings pays for it? A couple of references. The LED lighting systems that we put in are designed to last 10 to 15 years. Nobody's taken it beyond 20 because the technology hasn't been around that long. HVAC systems... Well, in this district, you get 30 years out. But... Usually, like the IRS depreciation schedules, you either look around 20, maybe 25 depending on the type of system. And then the roofs, like I was saying, we set it up for 18-year warranty quotes. So when you look out here, you're talking about all systems that are going to be paid for well in advance of their expected life before they run out of time on it. The statute that enables performance contracting in Kansas, I think an optimist wrote it. Because the statute says that you can go out to 30 years if the energy calculations pay for the project over 30 years. We don't do that. Like I said, an optimist wrote it. In terms of what does this look like in a financial perspective? So this is a pro forma of cash flow. And when we look at it, here are the costs that we'd be looking at. When we think about the COVID dollars, it sounds like y'all are going to see somewhere in the north of $450,000 when everything's set it up. That's conservative based on what we're hearing. It says S or 2 and 3. So remember I was saying I wouldn't commit 50% before you take care of your operational needs. So that's what this number is. Significantly less than half. So what you'd be doing financing for the savings that we'd be looking at. This is the calculated savings. This is our guaranteed savings if we don't demonstrate that we're achieving that by the efficiency of the lights we put in or what have you, we rupt you a check. So this is your guarantee. So the guaranteed utility cost savings and the guaranteed or the calculated operations and maintenance, basically light bulbs, ballots, that kind of thing. But you know how much money's available on an annual basis. We calculate that, we show that that energy cost goes up 2% a year. National average over the last 25 years is it goes up 4% a year. So we're being conservative and showing you, we're guaranteeing the energy, but here's the dollars it means to you. And if you were to do a financing package for 15 years, and we're guessing 2.3%, we're seeing people beat that. So that's, again, being conservative. We want to be partners in stewardship and something else. So what that service looks like is a little over $41,000. Your guaranteed funds available is a little over $41,000. And at this level of estimating before you have your finance rate, that's pretty, pretty spot on. So you've got access savings projected. So you wind up for $220,000 of COVID money getting $700,000 of work. That's what it winds up being. Might scroll on down and show us. Sure. Your catch flow all the way through. Absolutely. So 15 years of doing this at a level. We'd have a projected savings by 15 years of $15,000. This is access savings. So this is access savings in year 15? This is each year. How much more than your debt service? So after you've paid your debt service, and again, it's assuming a half of the inflation of energy. How would we finance the debt service? Will we have to do a bond? How is that financed? How's the other $520,000 financed? Do you want to say the easy way to do it, the way you did it as a superintendent? Yeah. I'm sorry. Brad Ray is somebody who works with us who brings the district and education perspective into what we do. I should say Dr. Ray. Certified superintendent in Oklahoma. Anne Ganses, former superintendent who's actually done this kind of project before. So that's why I defer. Yeah, and what you do would be a lease purchase on that so you're able to take that savings out and take it come in a year if you want to do it. Like Barry said, you go to 30 years, but we'd never recommend 30 years. We wouldn't recommend 20 years. That's how you come about. Yeah, because it wouldn't work if we did it for more years than what the equipment's going to be. So this allows us still to do some things with the retrofit piece that we can help with the budget piece and stuff. The other thing that is big for this is stewardship of the dollars that we've been given. We still have the problem, right? Whether our bond passes or not and stewardship is the fact that we've done everything we can to help save money and to meet the need. And so those are two real positives. There's guaranteed savings in it. We need what we have to do to ensure we can move forward. And then one question, if we chose, let's say that Maple Hill was out of that and the refinance piece or whatever and entering in, when is it, you know, you can make those changes or no or how does that work? So we're at a point where if we act at the next month's board meeting, we still have a chance of getting this work done this summer. If the district believes that you won't be using Maple Hill as a school in the fall, then some of the numbers change. We do the same thing at Maple Hill that we're going to do at the middle school in terms of laying up the facility properly. Save a ton of money. But there's still going to be some energy. You still got to be humidified in the summer and you still got to make sure that it's on and you don't burst pipes in the winter. If we don't, excuse me, if we don't do the work down here, the lying retrofit, the caulking ceiling, the roofing, at Maple Hill Elementary, what that does is let's us address the next most urgent roof, which is the gym over here as well as the old gym roof at the high school and the main building roof here. So what you wind up doing is you have to improve your simple payback and for less of your COVID dollars. You wind up in a, still in a situation where the project pays for itself and you're addressing some critical needs. So that combination, instead of doing the Maple Hill Elementary roof, you're doing the second roof over at the junior high. This is what it costs to do that. This, instead of the 220,000, what I call COVID money, I know there's more proper ways to say that. Again, that's very much a similar format. We're talking a little bit bigger numbers, but the bottom line is that it's calculated to yield access savings year after year after year to that service. And that is, the reason that is increasing every year is because of the 2% increase in intercosts and you're saying our costs are going to stay level because you know the equipment that you put in. We're saying that we would guarantee the energy savings and the impact on your budget would go up as the, we're guaranteeing that you're going to buy 12 apples and when the grocery store raises the price of apples three years from now, then that's how that impacts your budget. So some people will, I've been doing about three decades for six different companies in this role. Some people will say the escalated savings pays for the project up front. We emphasize that even if you do not escalate that you're covered, we think that the cost of energy over the next 15 years is going to go up about 2% a year, but even if there is zero escalation if you never have another increase in your electricity bill over the next 15 years which we know is not going to happen but even if, your debt is covered on the least purchase. And that's why I look at that first year is if we cover it without escalation then you're covered all the way. So our mission was to find ways to help the district out physically and generate cash from your current utility budget to pay for things that you're going to have to do. One way or two. And do that with an eye towards the different strategic decisions that you all are in the process of making. So that's what we had to share with you. Again, these are pretty damn solid budget numbers but they're not final quotes because we want to make sure that we're looking at that you all are in agreement that this is the way to go based on what we're sharing. You know, and I will add too. I live in Hulton, so I kind of been watching everything you guys been doing the last, well almost two years really. Trying to put together your project and you're really doing a nice job. Board notes are great. You're doing a real nice job. But really, what you're wanting to do and the way you're communicating and working with it and looking at every different idea. As a school board, you're doing exactly what you're doing what you should do and you're trying to be committed for that because it takes a long time. Thank you. Real quick, those core, where exactly were those core taken? Out of course. We were on every row in the district except the middle school. And none of them were infiltrated? We did not find any signs of infiltration in any of the insulation. So we went to low points typically because that's practically where you're going to see it or if you've got a leak over here and a low point here it's going to migrate. We did not see any. That's not to say that we missed it. Well sure, I mean your only sample is your sample spot. We were absolutely not going to recommend putting a cover over something if we didn't have a reason to believe that it was sound. I was surprised. Well I know we have some that are just pouring water in places that's why. It's coming from somewhere but obviously it doesn't necessarily become a middle. I understand that water has its way. It does. But what I understand that y'all have been doing over the last two years in particular the improvements in the flashings seems to have solved a lot of the known problems. So that was consistent with what we found. So any further questions? A lot of information. I don't know how we frame a question for the next meeting. We're coming up on trying to frame a question for y'all to decide your action if we want to get it done before kids come back. I guess the questions that we need your guidance on are do we plan on Maple Hill being an educational facility in the fall? Do we plan on are we using what I call the COVID dollars the way that you want to? Freddie, you've been super generous with your time. Am I missing something from the hours that you've helped us? I don't think so. Could you speak a little bit to how we can utilize the same services if we have, and I doubt we have it by the next meeting obviously, but if there is a projected bond in November which is going to cause a change how could we still, I guess in my mind it seems difficult to create a plan to retrofit things. We have an upcoming bond where we may be addressing that. Is that something you can work with, Maria, on how? Absolutely. Spot on. And that's why when we were, when we broke up some of the things the way we did and working with Maria from HDK understanding what was going to be the footprint of the bond or no bond. So what we're talking about is not doing the stuff that may not be there or will not be there in the middle school work on the stuff that's going to be there. And that way you can take action get the work done this summer and then the bond becomes the rest of the work with this much already done. So we already have to know the option that we were going forward with in terms of in November. What we would want to do or what I would recommend that you do is if you know whether or not you got three options as I understand it. If you can solidate the younger kids and move some of the older kids over whether there's a bond or not then that's going to free up some more space over and make more money. If you don't have a decision yet you might just take the portion of the work that's been made or built out of this project and then act on either in the bond or as a follow-up, the follow-up on the good results of that. So we broke it out so that you wouldn't lose anything by taking some action out. Particularly you wouldn't lose time but it's a spot on question and that's part of why this has been such an interesting project. Did I miss anything? Yes sir. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thanks very much. Okay, next discussion items are masks. I will pull up right here. Actually I'll just get out of the way and we'll get right pulled up. I'll just share my screen. Yes. He did it. I don't have it. Did I share their stuff wrong screen, Josh? Because it's got one, but you can see where they're going. Yeah, Ray. Ray, could you talk please? There we go. That was fun. So, it was asked to have the mask on so on Ray's available to answer any questions and the county has changed the mask mandate to recommend. Is that correct, Ray? That's a month ago to highly recommended for the public and a month ago we went to recommended masks unless it was a gathering of 30 or more and then it was mask what we required and we stayed at 45 for mask gathering but just today the county has stayed with the recommended mask and took group mudmarings out of it and went to outside there is no restrictions but we still recommend mask wear. It's something that we've learned and people that want to wear the mask should be able to wear the mask but buildings, businesses events can run at 75% capacity at this point. The courthouse has dropped and went to recommended mask and dropped a mandatory except for in a couple of instances. The Kansas court system is going to require masks be done in the courts and so third floor when they have jury trials will still require masks to be worn and then the health department reserved the rights so that when we continue to do clinics we wanted we reserve the rights that the lower level be mask mandated because one of the things that we're working with in those clinics and yes we pretty much finished up our 65 and older at this point I do know that there were some that were unable to make our clinics and we was unable to make contact we're going to go back and clean those up but we're still working with a lot of the people that have decided for the last year to shelter and to ask them to come in to the public with no protection we wanted the rights that when they come in because we used the hallway right outside of the health department we do these clinic days for sign in and then their waiting period so we'll make them mask mandated on the clinic days and then not clinic days um the hallway would be just mask recommended each department in the courthouse so my department heads whether they require a mask inside the department that's the changes that were made today any questions on that portion of it or I think the question that was posed to me when I was invited to this meeting was I guess there was a few that were considered whether mask mandatory mask should be dropped inside the high school or inside any of the schools as far as that goes the thing that we have to remember is it was the governor that put that restriction on and that was with Executive Order 2059 which they required um the mask to be worn inside the schools um with the current way things are being done it took it really did take um the county out of it um and what they did was I mean we still we still played a factor in recommendations and how to work with the covid cases and quarantine cases and stuff like that but we didn't either say that they had to be implemented the mask had to be implemented or not be implemented so one of the things that happened at the same time the one the couple of people that could overrule the mask mandate was the Kansas Board of Education and they came to a tie uh I think it was 5 to 5 but don't hold it to me but they came to a tie which means they either supported it or uh got uh or said you don't have to follow it and so it kind of left most school districts in Aleppo uh you as a school board can vote and not use it um and so um so I'm not really here to tell you what to do I'm just here to answer questions I can give you my opinion as far as that goes um and so I'm just going to shut up for a little bit and take any questions that you guys might have can you speak a little bit to numbers in the county and where we're headed there as of late if you guys had a meeting today about that would you have any direction as to how at risk our county is currently the county in state right now are doing really well um we currently uh when I talked to the commissioners this morning we was at two active cases in the county um this afternoon we picked up another case so we're at three active cases at this particular point in the county which is quite a bit lower than where last fall the state has been doing basically the same uh moving in the same direction uh if you I don't know how much you paid attention to the numbers uh but back in December and um December is the month that comes to forefront we were pretty much average in cases a day um when I did numbers today uh going on um on a 14 day average so going back 14 days from the numbers that were released today were average in a 280 a day um KDHE is not satisfied with those numbers I mean they're very related that they've come down considerably hospitalizations are down deaths are down I look at statistics where because one of the reasons that when the county did go to mandatory masks that was concerning to me was at that particular time the health system was being overran um the health system is not being overran at this particular point um we was at one point the ICU beds um were being filled 40% of the ICU beds were COVID patients um as of today they're they're about 8.5% of the ICU patients um and just last week St. Francis is able and I don't know if they're still at this point but St. Francis KU announced for the first time in eight months they had no COVID patients in the hospital and that's all sounding great uh I don't what you're starting to see and I think that that's the thing that we're going to watch and see for the next two weeks to four weeks is quite a few counties are doing what Lemonsie County did and that's open up uh to us can absolutely tell you what's going to happen uh I think we'll be okay and at the same time I would be reserved to sit here and tell you that we're absolutely ready for that and I think that we're all going to find out in the next three or four weeks one other question I had is do you know how many, what percentage of people have been vaccinated within our county um aren't here quite bad in my head here we're probably at about 15% uh that's 15% have gotten at least their first shot uh and and then I don't know what percentage is I don't know what it was that it got in the second shot because we're in that point where we're doing both first and second shots we've been doing them for a while um that was one of the things the governor announced today was um we originally was going to go to the end of March with phase two but she chose that next Monday we're going to move into phase three and at phase four um we were pretty much on track um that we was going to finish phase two probably about mid next week um and so we was like the mid to the last week and again it goes back to the factory um and with some of the things that are happening we're spending a tremendous amount of time on the phone because I think they said today that there was like 1400 vaccination sites in the state so it's not a lack of effort to get the vaccinations out there and it's not all ours but there are pharmacies now so when you talk about locals pharmacies, Omigo, Rossville um both Dillon's I think in Manhattan I'd have to go pull my sheet up uh two Dillon's and a Walmart and Topeka and a Walmart and an Emporia have all are all given um vaccinations and so um I'm going a little bit off of what our statistics are but I do know there's been um and I just don't know how many to tell you that have went to one of the other sites to get the vaccinations so one of the things that was said on the governor's press conference today was they see an increase of vaccinations coming in so we've been looking at and we weren't quite ready for it next week we're going to do our darkness to gear up um but we knew that we was going to have to step up and uh it's just like uh we're we've been getting 100 doses for initial shots uh a week up to this point um we did get one week where we got 200 for initial and and then for about the last month we've been getting um 100 second doses so we've been we've been pretty much on average doing 200 shots at least 200 shots and we did get behind a little bit with uh snow days and the extreme cold uh but we're geared up to do 300 vaccinations and that's a combination of the first and second shots I think one of the questions that I get then is some of the questions I get from the public that I'm expressing tonight are what's our in-game then as far as the county is concerned with the school district what is the in-game to allowing the school district to change from mandatory masks to recommended or highly recommended or not recommended at all or what is uh what should be our approach to an in-game to mass wearing is it 100% vaccinations is it zero cases is it I mean I think that's what I'm trying to find out um I think it's a combination of both I think that uh when KDHE is like I say right at this particular point if you talk to KDHE they would rather that we all be under mandatory mask orders at this particular point um and uh what what they basically make comments on is they don't feel that we will reach a herd immunity um with vaccinations and and there's immunity built with each a positive case um and they still don't think that we'll reach that until July or August uh with the upsweeping and um vaccinations we're going to move forward on some of that uh but to shoot more at the answer on your question um I think that's going to be better answered uh about a month from now because I think that's what we need to look at is by counties and cities lifting their restrictions how much is that going to affect our our COVID cases I mean we came from we came from um uh in December and early January we was running in that 80 to 90 to 100 I think our top was 106 active cases at one time um so to be sitting at three is phenomenal at this particular point uh and I but I would also be surprised if we stay at three uh but I would like to think that we're going to stay at ten or below um my my initial goal was to get down to 15 and and so we far exceeded that uh when I when I was looking at when we started seeing the numbers come down uh because I felt like it was going to be a little bit longer to get down over right so um but maybe I was just being too conservative at that point um but I really think that when you look at the schools and when I think about schools both both school districts in this county have been very successful I think with their school years um keeping them open uh very I mean brand has statistics can can give you statistics on how many positive cases got into school how many have been quarantined but what I can tell you is um we have yet to track any transfer of covid inside the school most of it has all been outside from outside activities um so I think it's it's really helped um to keep your schools open and there was only one time in December where uh both schools got affected about the same time that's about the time that the county was spiking uh and that was when the schools uh make will fill school I think in your district was the one that close three days early uh 330 the whole that was the one time that um having five separate buildings uh fight into your advantage was because it was that building that closed down where uh 330 all being in one got hit hard and and so they close three days early also did I answer your question yes thank you okay sometimes I gotta I gotta ask that question just to make sure I didn't either confused into my answer or did I really get to the meeting today your question Jim it just seems like there's there's a perception that covid is going away and it's more so you can correct me if I'm wrong but covid not so much going away as it is we are getting more individuals immunized we're we're we're hedging towards getting towards that herd immunity so I think as Ray said herd immunity likely will dictate the point at which we can get to be without masks I mean that's just how I see it I don't know from a medical perspective do you see that as a turning point Ray getting to herd immunity well I think herd immunity herd immunity is going to fight a big factor and I think herd immunity along with the vaccinations I mean we all have herd immunity on influenza just simply because we come in contact with it and then vaccinations programs that have been out there for influenza have been around for years and years and so the other thing that's helped and changed a lot in the last 12 months is the medical community when the medical community first took on covid in last March they had no idea what they was they was making educated guesses on treatment plans and all kinds of stuff like that where they have very solid treatment plans and that's one of the reasons that we see hospitals in such good shape right now is a lot of patients that were going to the hospital for treatment can now be outpatient treated and if only if some of you are more severe cases are going in and a lot of them are going to get to the ICU so but yeah herd immunity one of the things that fed into our county decision was one of the estimates is is there four times the people that's had covid as what we know of and the county is 669 cases is what we've had since the beginning of last March so a few times that and we're probably up to about let me do a quick math in my head probably probably around between 2000 and 2500 cases in the county and that's not quite that's probably about 45% of the county they don't really consider herd immunity until you reach about 80 to 85% questions, comments feedback? thanks for coming on and joining us Ray I appreciate the information in that I'll just end with I think I'll try to keep it to all of that at this point but when I put my opinion in there I think the schools would be wise to stay with the mask for at least another 30 days with the success that they've had up to this point I would really like to see the students to be able to have their problems have their graduation and not have a repeat of last year and I think that's what I said earlier in my comments was I think the next 30 days is going to tell us a lot about a lot of the counties lifting their restrictions and we're going to see the are we going to hold? I sure hope so and if we do I think in 30 days you could lift the mask requirements with a lot more confidence that it's we're not going to move backwards with that statement I'll shut up at this point unless there's another question and I'll bow out I don't think there's any more questions right now thanks for I appreciate it all right you have a great evening and just tolerate me did you want me to stay on or are you ready to get rid of me? I think we'll cut you off from here all right you guys have a great evening and a good discussion thank you there should be a I think it has an impact on their operating any further discussion around that or we'll move on to the next action item all right so I moved to go into executive session to discuss confidential data relating to financial affairs or trade secrets of corporations partnerships trust and individual partnerships the meeting will resume back in here in 20 minutes by 755 all those oppose say aye motion carried with administration what about Don he's he's on but is he agreeing he didn't say no okay Don you're still there right yes sir okay and you guys want to go into that library room that would be great whether than that yeah you can go wherever you want yeah just out of here we love don't go home you just get out of here wait you're off right josh one second I'm bringing it up to test we'll have to wait I'll go on the back yeah okay so to move moving on with facilities and facility adjustments for the next calendar year with the closing of Haxco Middle School we're putting it on the administration to work out details that would combine K through 5 K through 5th grade in Maple Hill K through 5th grade in Alma and 6, 7 and 8 in Haxco okay just a second can you take that again it says an action item but I'm not sure what the action item was for executive session so does anybody else have any communication around that it just said K through 5 Alma K through 5 Maple Hill 6, 7, 8 Haxco junior high Haxco junior high we'll put it in preschool pre case both locations Kelly I would just add that this is planning to be a fair step depending on how we move in a direction with a bond or not in November and there will be further changes this comes on several discussions from several years ago about the middle school and the number of transitions that we are putting our kids through between the time that they come for pre-K and get to our high school we are trying to lessen those transitions and this helps accomplish that if there's no further discussion on that we'll move on on the agenda okay I'm sorry and then included in this discussion would be the thoughts of what we're going to do moving forward whether utilization of communication with ASA or you want to have a long-term facilities plan which BG consultants type have discussed with us and presented and then also determine what we're going to do with the Haxco middle school because I was directed to talk to the city which I did and they have an interest in so those states should be included in this discussion please so I've also been approached by and we all have letters here but I personally met with the individual interests at the Haxco middle school facility and so I think there's a couple of interesting parties be it the city and private utilization as well but I think it at least needs to be explored prior to making any decisions to what we do with that building we'll be declaring it is it already declared surplus so it's already declared surplus so I think those need to be discussed prior to making a decision with the city I know we were talking about gifting he's not expecting us to give this no there's nothing in here about an offer well and the other thing is he's just approached the board and so it would be open I mean recommending to how you're going to determine do you want to auction it do you want to list it with a real estate agent how do you want it to be surplus out to get offered books we have any discussion around that and were the thought of do you want to gift it or not I guess I would recommend that we look at all options that could potentially be selling it so whether it's through an auction or a realtor I don't know which is best to do that have we had any other buildings declared surplus within our district we're usually building on the old right the old modular I just didn't know if we'd set any precedence of how previous boards have done it in the past I think as a I would like to know what the city is planning on doing with it I would like to know what any other business is planning on doing with the facility and I would like to help foster any economic advantage for any town that we are abandoning a building in so if the city is going to foster more economic advantage than maybe a private individual then I would personally lean that way but we're not going to know that until we I guess open it up like Kelly said and allow any and all options and I wonder if maybe there's not a local realtor that we could deal with maybe that would help us out on some fees be a little cheaper to deal with maybe anybody have any thoughts or suggestions around who we get as an area to help with that we can open it advertise advertise that we're looking for somebody to help us I mean is that appropriate over the next 30 days I would consider it an option myself okay you get it on with purple wave or crossroads or something and you'll be surprised with the buildings there's people around and they get all over the country granted we're going to have stipulations right there there's a non-compete clause with education on tanks but I think that would be a way to go that's a great point so getting the word out in terms of contact with purple wave asking them to get the word out on potential buyers I think if we hire them as an option agent I think you get that as part of their services so the marketing facility and then they would take over right showing the facility to correct correct with COVID environment I mean letting outside people into our facilities I guess it might be a touch of a challenge that we'll have to deal with with administration probably the sense of the online piece they come in and film it just like a real tour to get online and then you can see what's there or set up a time school time coming to look at it that kind of stuff so then just putting it out for open bid so we wouldn't be gifting the consensus I think that the school is in a financial situation that yes it is taxpayer funded but if there's an opportunity for us to help recoup some of that taxpayer funded money and help us go on operations elsewhere would we not be smart stewards to sell an asset versus getting an asset we still need buses we still need buses period unfortunately we did go ahead Kelly and the tower didn't turn into a bus that was talked about but it didn't turn into a bus so pretty cool to work Kelly you had I was just gonna say I guess if we don't have anybody to bid on it would we look at that often if we don't have anybody that really wants to buy it or a business that isn't coming into the school that's not competing against us then I think we should you want to set a reserve where our realtor would give you an amount of what it's worth would we be able to hire a realtor and have a discussion with them about that I would think that you could give at least when I've talked to other superintendents that have sold buildings they indicated that they had a realtor giving them a price that they felt what the value of it was worth I think so we don't want to auction it off for five dollars so I would think we'd want some reserve so are there any other suggestions other than Purple Wave as far as an auction company like that Don do you have any others there's crossroads and labeled options on them also there's some others around where you just have to look and see so is it appropriate then for us to take earlier Brad had mentioned should we advertise that and let them know that we're looking and see who would reach out to us then to make it a little fair so everybody has a shot wouldn't there be a problem with that do auction companies do that do what like would they submit a bid to us for that I think more so not necessarily a bid but maybe a presentation as to what they could do to help us sell it and then do you want me to check and advertise for realtors to give us a price for the building what they think the value is I do if you went with Purple Wave wouldn't they be able to they have that ability as well I'm not sure I agree they must know something have they ever done that Freddie with their muscles or anything tell us what the value is did you we did sell the house west of that's true I don't know how long ago that was but that's the ability I can think of we also sold the house the district house so at that time we've had a little bit of real estate sales experience then maybe there's I'm sure there's going to be stipulations that we need to put on it as far as what type of business that would be allowed to be run there I mean we don't want anything any school probably changing over to a private business has to get a conditional use permit from the county or the city that they're operating in we've already put the stipulation that it can't be sold to someone that's in competition with our educational so we covered that piece I just want to make sure I guess none of the rest of the there could be issues with other types of sales or other types of businesses that would not be appropriate but that would be handled by the city approving that or not approving a business coming in anyways and it's not directly adjacent to one of our schools yeah ok question was I wondered Ryan give us an idea of what commercial if it were on a tax roll what kind of money they would be doing there generating and then the question was if we sold it to somebody and then they turn around and sold it to a school that's a chance you've got to take I mean eventually we can't control it forever so school to be there we probably out of figured out a way to support it in the beginning so ok so well content crossroads looking to see what the value is and if they can give some sense of a presentation as far as what they can do to help sell it correct we're good with that sounds good ok then the other the other piece of that thoughts on the utilization of ASA and the communication piece or long term facilities plan those things so ASA versus BG consultants and long range plan conversation about that the idea between getting information from BG consultants ASA was structural engineering and structural of our buildings correct the long term piece of it would be that then what their presentation was what they did like the 3803 that happened is that we told you that this building was going to last 15 years so you start planning for a bond at 13 years because we know this building is going on at this point and so they do all that based on the structural analysis et cetera et cetera et cetera and the cost was associated with that print out or the information they had given us and then later on the agenda asking you to accept a bit of a low bit for the structural analysis piece by a structural engineer to come in and look at it that we talked about earlier BG consultants and to look at that but more of ok the long term facilities plan and or with the communications piece of passing a bond and or building the bond and I'm not trying to talk for Jim but in these here but where it would be a situation where through their phone interviews or do you feel like that you have enough information to build a bond or want them to gather information because the things that I heard was you didn't listen to what we told you and so prior to even telling what the bond would be is gathering the information and building what the communities want and to support and then when it goes to a bond it's this is what you told us you wanted it should pass through in a bond versus this is what we've decided we had the community group help us to build that and the board reclined it and then we tried to sell it to the community and the community meetings thoughts? so at the last board meeting I have the who is the other individual Jim spoke and and BG consultants Clint Hibs so both offered options as a communication effort to help us in communicating as Brad said personally I think it would be a specific population what our population wants notifying the board, letting the board know what people want, what will pass having an onsite third party what will be the best option in terms of what the community believes who are voting on it yes sir go ahead Jim who is that of you guys I'll take my mask off it's kind of dressing up speakers are so far away from people and they keep their mask on yeah thanks I won't take long you've had a long working time yeah what you guys decide to do then we really research the best way to market that but what we do is you get the big chunks kind of put together and what we do is help round that off and say how about this and how about that based on what your community is going to say so you're going to put the parameters sounds like you've got your parameters you're going to go to the four attendance centers then I don't know that we have a vision plan for our next one I think that's just for next year yeah I see alright well basically what we do is help you in that decision process and as I explained last time we use a lot of ways to do that we fill our phone surveys are probably our most effective and we get on like I said last time we try to be on 150 people for at least five minutes and five minutes is a long time and get them to open up and give ideas you've got to have that planted what you want to do the two companies are not mutually exclusive you've got contractors you've got contractors here and you're sorry but you guys are making a presentation we're not presenting we're just interested observers listening okay what I explained last time is the perfect team and worked at Riley was to have contractors, architect and board members and the leadership team committee from the community all together exchange back and forth a good contractor is going to say no that's going to be crazy beams can't go here or there the architect would say this could be done but you get that team together all together on one place and you guys don't all have to be there you put two or three of you there get some trusted community members and that's how we came up with the final look and plan and then our job is to go out and test that with the community back and forth and then our second job is to go market it a nasty term is sell it we like to use the term educate but I like that that way we do maybe landowners where I would say oh I recommend you're hiring somebody to promote this bond why is that allowed? I thought that was against the law they say it's allowed and who's going to protest it anyway as long as you get away with it I guess it's not against the law can you answer that question? you can do the research all the research you want and that's research you should do that research our first part is research our second part is marketing and we worked out some ways to do that and some school districts found on that others do not we worked it out rightly to the architect help to pay for a lot of our salary for the marketing side and so that looks the worst the guy who pays taxes out there kick back I understand and one thing we did I was a super for 25 years and then I had I've done about oh 10 to 12 million dollars for the construction and I was back in the late 90s early 2000 so it was worth more than I'm old but you work with your architect you work with your contractors on their management fees there's a lot of feed cutting there's a lot of things where you can push we're in a tough time right now as you just heard with the accelerated construction cost that's another reason to probably get something going as quickly as you can but yeah that's why you have the whole team together because they can give it to Patrick my home has given up money tonight to make sure he gets a good offensive lineman I don't know what's his name what's his name the catcher has given up to or did this bother with junior I keep hearing about a great picture I guess so there's negotiations back and forth but you get those people in the room and that can happen as well as a decision making for what's best for the school but that's our approach okay, thank you thanks and again I think for the time you gave me last time I appreciate it so Brad in this around this discussion you're wanting us to give you some ideas as to where you want some sense of connection to what we're doing regarding the bond and how we're going to get a communications plan put together, correct? okay does anybody have any feedback then? Kelly? I like the idea of the third party because I think with some of the communications that we've had back and forth with people the third party they want to sell it but at the same time they don't have the same connections in this community and I think sometimes that helps bring a neutral aspect to it and so I do have a neutral third party and I come in and do some research who would be a good idea for us and help with marketing because I think we did struggle with marketing I think the biggest benefit they can offer is the opportunity to find out what isn't going to work because there are some things within our communities that aren't going to work and if we pursue those things we're going to fail regardless of how we try to spin it or communicate it to the public or how many town halls we do individuals have thoughts in their mind of what they want to see and some of them have very specific and more broad and you want to get the idea of what those that are at least somewhat open minded what options they could potentially could support and eliminate those that they could not and a firm like that could do that work they could weed out some of those options that maybe some of us have heard from some individuals that are these narrow options that they say I'm only going to vote for this they may only be 5% of the population and if we continue to only listen to that percent the majority of the community will never pass I think that's some of the struggles that the board are facing is when we're getting some information we're getting it from different individuals from different areas some individuals are more open minded some individuals are very narrow but having a third party come in look at it from an objective point of view not have any skin in the game not know anybody in the community and find out what exactly would work for potentially good work any other communication feedback I guess I lean more to I apologize for missing last meeting because a lot of this happened back then so I'll keep my comments brief here but I was under the impression we were trying to get that information Jim through the survey that we sent out and I was thinking we were trying to save that $3600 over the tax money through that and I guess if I'm understanding this correctly then maybe that didn't accomplish that is that the way you feel I feel the board is still not on the same level playing field in terms of what we see as potential options and what are non-options and I feel like the survey was a good start I feel like ambicing and going and speaking to individuals within the communities is another good step but if we can't get on the same playing field and come to the same level of agreement that yep that actually isn't going to work because either this section of the population doesn't agree with it or this majority doesn't agree with it we're not going to get anywhere in terms of a resolution we're going to come up with a solution and a P sum and potentially choose the wrong one and I would like to avoid doing that okay any other thought, suggestions this is I know it's tough Brad it's hard for us to come to conclusion there's been so many things go on over the last 30, 60 days and everybody's schedules makes it hard to come to conclusion here I don't want to jump to spend $4,000 unnecessarily but also think $4,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to what we are facing in budget challenges if we don't do something long term with our facilities and we've been very clear about that in almost every single meeting that I've been at in the three years that I've been on the board I think that as a district you find job with trying to stay in bounds proof tonight and disrupting some kids and moving some kids around and shutting the building down but this one stumps me a little bit I guess I'm 50-50 either way I guess just to get some sense of direction and if you want to have it in April as an action item put it on there and make a decision we need to keep going I mean November if the idea is November we're going to come back with another bond then we need to be moving forward with it and start doing it and if it's not then we still need to take care of some issues and so a part of that is taking care of the investment rate out of peace for the energy performance contract moving forward with that and those type of things but whatever it is one way or the other need to make a decision and start moving on it I just realized it's not an action item in any ways it's just discussion but that's good because I wasn't ready to make a decision on it anyway does it have to be something that's an action item? because you're authorizing us to spend money let me throw this out we do break it out as I told you there's research and we do the marketing education piece and then there's the we have a third piece but we do a final touch base we like to do three phone polls it's expensive but we nail it we have a 94% win rate of 17 to 18 school loan but we can do the research piece that you can pay for when we did the research piece we were able to project the private witness 55 to 60% we wanted a 61.5% rate and that's after they had failed twice in 20 years so there was a lot of hard crust breakthrough so that's a possibility too you could take the first piece the research piece get done with it that point you could say alright the one thing I want to say is you really want to get some of this done because everybody's gathers their minds change they're not focused we did some great surveys with the parents got great responses get a good response rate but you want to get that done for school and that's just something I want to throw out if we hire somebody to help us do the research I'm not sure we need to hire somebody to help us market or sell something anyways we have the right option the right options area to sell itself but I'll counter that and say there's still a challenge we can help you with that we can actually we can do something there maybe we can get you on the foot get you going again I'd say to waste money we can at least do the research part and give you a lot of raw material raw information Jim had some good points over here about things not to touch there's sacred cows in every school district you don't want to touch or do anything with or chisel or braid which came out in our survey which came out in our survey I think we might have already gotten some of this information I probably need to go back individually and study again to make sure I'm understanding what all those responses were I'm not trying to push anybody along but we still have a long agenda thank you see ya okay moving on then enterprise vehicle program just wanted to say once we get this possibility of this lease program developed we'll be bringing it to the board we've been working with enterprise systems and they don't need buses but they do everything else and the idea again for safety and maintenance save us money and I might deal with them just like I put in there okay look the problem is to get into a lease rose in a lease and it's like no, no here's three ways you can get out of it and so and have the quality vehicles less maintenance and actually then again show that we can save you money so that's something that we'll be coming forward okay great I think that's going to be good information for us yeah any communication around that then keep moving then the next is the structural bid yeah the one bid from BG consultants significantly more 16,000 something for the structural piece I would have recommended accept David Vermitton's 36 center for structural design services the old high school limestone building the weight room and then the old section of the junior high good any discussion around that how does that compare with the previous bid I think you're going to get what you were asking for I mean I think that what they're doing is more the total everything in this long term facilities plan piece to build upon in other words since then we have this then we can just keep building this on this facilities plan that this building will last 50 years or whatever what he will tell you is look this is what you need to do to make the structurally sound for this amount of time etc I think we'll get the information wanting from the bond piece of people saying you didn't have anybody look at those buildings and so which is what we're looking at alright so is there a motion I hope to accept it's been moved and seconded to accept the low bid of David Vermitton 3600 dollars for structural design services of the WHS old limestone building and weight room and the Buncey junior high older section all those in favor say aye aye oppose same sign motion carried next then is an action item on calendar change the MTSS multi-tiered system of support that we're doing training with through the department of education we're needing to have a day where we can use and look at our data from our assessments which we're going to use fast bridge for the data assessment piece and then what we'll do is ultimately then go to improve student performance quality teacher instruction and our meeting is the area of focus with MTSS and that involves all curricular areas so everyone with that calendar change on the 10th would be involved in that and half day would be spent in that and studying the data with the staffs and then they would switch and they'd also look we have leader and me the MRI MRA's which are also data that is provided to be able to look at and the social emotional piece also with fast bridge to savers program so we'd like to switch that day on the calendar that's already been approved second all those in favor say aye aye same sign motion carried 7-0 thank you alright negotiations later just the fact that we will exchange a letter and basically the same type of things that we've always contained in it it is impacted but there's also a lot of work salary including supplemental benefits and health insurance and have been in contact with call valley insurance again both groups indicated that they'd like to look at that again so are looking at that and they've got where they're putting together a presentation as well so just exchange that as to be done by the 31st of March alright I was going to request a 5 minute break here before moving into personnel does anybody oppose that okay we're going to take a 5 minute break to resume back here at I don't know 842 3 and as far as Freddie or Ann or other principals of the venture this suddenly you need you can say who seconded that or do we need a okay now you are alright so appreciate that 5 minute break there so now moving on to personnel I move we go into executive session for matters relating to actions adversely or favorably affecting a person student, patient, resident of a public institution except that any such person shall have the right to a public hearing requested by the person this would include Mr. Starnes and Mrs. Hubby I second Jim second all those in favor say aye aye how long administration 10 minutes okay to resume back here at let's do 855 because I like ground okay we're back on okay so under personnel we have rehiring lists and some resignations along with the changes listed under the beginning of the meeting is there a motion to approve as submitted or change for approval Kelly move and Jim second it all those in favor say aye aye oppose St. Simon motion carried thank you so board member forum scared Brad just on answer things I just wanted to quick point out about the amount of money and the things that we've already talked about community meetings on the 19th that we've got set up and one of the concerns I know we want to do more education with our students but in talking to the mental health people they've indicated that they would want us to wait a little time for the students and so we're following what they've indicated to us crossroads talk to me today about it and also our mental health is on talk to K state her mentor about it as well but something's going to be coming but just not right away with some other stuff that they're going over and one of the things with the community meetings when we met for all the information and stuff he's worked hard on is involved in those people but the FDI person, the KDI guy said that he goes I'm going to tell you every kid has been either had someone do something on their phone or have been put in a position to phone every kid he goes I'll just tell you my own kids these are my age my kids 14 or whatever and my own kids have had this and I work with it every day so we want to make sure and educate as much as possible and I appreciate what we've got and making those presentations safe route to school grant we have received that group that planning piece which is a grant of 12,000 I've contacted the city to see if they're wanting to move forward with that and if there are then it'd be a $3,000 piece from us involvement in that for the planning piece only and so I've not heard back from the city of that interest in doing that food service equipment just FYI if you see some things on the bills coming up with some things there were some pretty big items like some ovens and things like that we have excess KDE requires that we spend that down everyone this year was free meals yes level they and I can't tell you the exact ratio but they have a specific ratio that you quote have to spend down the funds so I can find that out for you Joe okay but the meal reimbursement went federally from 422 it was 365 that we were getting so it's a positive thing from our food service hopefully take care of some things that we're doing with that these climate surveys we've talked about already and I let them know and Jim thank you for direction and that was a good suggestion about their concerns being hurt and validated and I put out that information about those type of things and Cali suggested about the climate survey so we're going to continue to look at that and talk about that more energy bills just FYI today found out I did contact our legislators several of them did contact me and want to know all about it and so I've been in constant contact with them I don't know if we'll get reimbursed it reimbursed for it but they have a program now that they push through that there's a 1% interest loan to cities and municipalities and they, being helmet has received $500 $500,000 our regular month the gas bill was 4300 and it went up to $52,350 for the gas and I talked to KSDE Craig, a nice member and those people in Dale Dennis who's responsible for this piece of it and he goes don't pay the whole thing and I said well they're eating their money and he said I understand but if you pay it you're probably not going to get reimbursed okay we won't do it so what do you suggest well pay the minimum so I talked to Michael about paying the minimum and then spreading out the payments over 4 years and the city council has talked about allowing that for everybody to be able to do it so long story short we'd be pimping up to about basically $1000 for a month on our gas to pay for the 48 month period and so to pay for that but he also indicated he didn't think we were going to get reimbursed for it so it is one of this and it is gouging just somebody at the top I get where they're at because there was never a loss of supply it was always you used your lot you had 50,000 gallons allotted at 233 a gallon or whatever and you went over the allotment piece so now we're charging you a premium price and so it just went up the chain and so hopefully at the federal level something will happen with the top up there but not holding our breath about that piece the KDSE audit every minute of the break we're going to give out kudos to Cheryl and Janice and to the secretaries they did a great job haven't heard anything when we get the official results I'll share that and now it will affect our budget and the last thing is I sent this to you great information that we got out in regards to our assessments you can see what our student teacher ratio is compared to District Mission Valley in Morris County, Cobb Valley you can see one of the things that was interesting to me in all hurry is in fact in the census piece we have the lowest percentage of families with children their poverty we have the lowest percentage of educational attainment 33.1 high school diploma 13.9% bachelor's or more we have the highest percentage of parent household with mail only which was really a weird thing but all from the census information the educational data the lowest student teacher ratio 11.2 to 1 teacher our assessed valuation for pupil you can see by far Cobb Valley is $374,000 assessed valuation for pupil so then when people say why can't we have turf why can't we get this why can't we have buildings well their assessed valuation they're not even have to do bonds they are just being able to do so we have the lowest valuation we have the second lowest percentage of expenditure for pupil which is 15% of the assessed valuation for pupil and we're showing our tax payers then we're being good stewards of their money and then the bottom line for all of us is the results and we have the highest graduation rate 100% that was on the accountability report and we then chose zero there us in Mission Valley didn't do that we asked the people about it and then our assessments we have the highest in levels 3 and 4 of what you want to be 2018 through 2019 that 42% of our students tested to levels 3 and 4 in those areas and those assessments to spending is .36 showing that our tax payers are getting the best bang for their buck so we kind of equivalently could show with data what we're doing and so we have a lot to be thankful for and proud of our students and our staff and everybody including board with priorities and what we're able to do so you guys should take a great deal of sense of pride in what we're doing because we are making great stewards of money and at the same time producing results which should be our ultimate goal so very happy about that and if you look at the math look how much time we are in math 42.6 next time is 37% so great days people have been great days that's all I have, thank you Thank you Don you have anything? I don't Thank you Callie? Jim? Tell me Can we use this for books? We can use it if it's COVID related So we couldn't use it to for books, supplies, that kind of stuff because I know that's a need Right Callie? Good question Yeah Since you touched on the topic of education on how well we're doing I mean I'm going to throw kudos out to our sporting programs Yeah I mean across the board the spring sports we send kids this day the winter sports we send kids this day the the fall sports we send kids this day Sounds like we don't need any new buildings Talk about being represented in the state level in a sporting environment and now we're proving we do it in the books too all around a good place to be And there's information if you see on the charger just came out today about the writing contest 21 kids with the press a lot of kids and a lot of great things happening for sure That's all I had I take that in motion to adjourn Nice one Tony and Jerome Leader say aye Aye Motion carries Thank you all Bye You need these Yeah please