 Okay. It's five o'clock. We will call the meeting to order. Are there any amendments, Sarah, to the agenda? Well, on the agenda that you have at the bottom, I gave you guys an agenda, and we have a curb cut for Perkins-Bendall. And Liz, if you have time, maybe discuss the Culver Hill curb situation again. Okay. And for guests, we have, looks like we have Mark Harris from the Budget Committee right now. I don't think I see anyone else. No. And I'm chairing the meeting tonight. Peter Hood is here, but he's on Zoom from home, so in the interest of just ease, I'll be chairing, but Peter will be chiming in per his normal- Right here. Okay. So our first topic for discussion is the Fiscal 24 Budget Workshop, reviewing the proposed Fiscal Year 24 Town Budget with possible approval, action possible. Okay. So Dorinda gave us a copy of the budget, and it looks like we were just talking earlier, just going through some of the things of how she's laid it out. It looks like she has put in, at the end on the final page, is where the Capital Improvement Funding is. All of those line items that are in there now are ones that we've had in the past, with the exception of increasing back to the normal $30,000, the Paving and Construction Fund, which we cut back last year to $20,000. And then you'll see under Special Articles, CIP, the Middlesex Asset Equipment Fund of $50,000 will be a special article voted in addition to, on the warning, which we have later on on the agenda, an article to talk about actually creating that reserve fund. So there's two articles, one to create a reserve fund and then one to actually fund the reserve fund, which is in, under this special article for $50,000. And then otherwise, it's everything that we talked about at our last meeting with all the changes, which brings the budget itself to an increase of 10.24%. And again, that doesn't include the 50,000, which would bring it up if it had been in the regular budget considerably more. What would it bring it up to to make it sort of, you know, if we had to say to the town, well, in theory, if you pass the 50,000, this is an increase of, it's probably like 13 or something. 13.56%. Okay. All right. And then the only other thing is that that we're not entirely clear on is in the special articles is we're still waiting for signatures for the Waterbury area service, senior center and home health and hospice. We're waiting for those. And people haven't told the 19th to get in. It's Thursday at five o'clock, but the Waterbury today, let me know that they're very unlikely they're going to have. Okay. So the 10,000 might be taken off, which would adjust that 12% to something less. I'm guessing the 4500 is going to be there. They've been pretty active in getting their signatures. No, other one we didn't hear from was the Montpelier senior center. When you guys talk, what do you guys talk about the budget? Could you just talk about the budget that doesn't have the special articles? Yes, needs to go in the morning. That's that's with the line item that's highlighted there because you that's you're going to vote on that. Yes, we're just voting on the budget, not the special articles. Yeah. So we're voting right now in a budget that is the 10.24%. And remind me and I'm, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What's the amount we anticipate taking from our ARPA funds? Remember was it took a we took a good chunk of money out with the idea that we would back fund it with ARPA funds. Let's go to the line item. Well, you talked about doing gravel. It was the gravel and I think there was one of the line item. Maybe the money's mitigation. Maybe. I think it was 80. What was the amount we were talking about? 70 to 80. I think it was $80,000. I think it was $50,000 of the gravel and 30 for the mud mitigation. Sounds right. That sounds right. Thank you. And that we want to put in, Phil, if you're planning on writing another explanation for the town. Yeah, if you are, but we would want to have that mentioned that, you know, we're some of the line items that were not funded in here or that was that they're being replaced by ARPA funds. Right. Mark, did you have a question? Yes, Liz, I had a question on line item 146. I know we had a lot of discussion about this last time. And I just can't remember the threat of coming to 30,000 and what that was going to be used for. Subcontractor. It was half of the salt shed mark. Right. It was it was making the assumption that we could split the remaining cost of the salt shed into two separate years and essentially move forward with one more year using tarps to cover the pile and whatnot and then fund another 30,000 next year that give us the 60 that would be needed to actually build the building. So we would actually start construction with the 30,000 this coming year. Yeah, I think that'd be a question for Eric and Vic as to whether or not, you know, we can, you know, purchase it and not pay for the labor to install or how that breakout works. I don't know as if we talked about that in our last meeting. What we talked about was repairing the temporary roof for next year, and then building the building in the following year, which means if we built the building in June and July we could straddle to budget periods and we'd have to, you know, we'd have to manage the money carefully but we'd have the total sum of money available when we constructed the. We finalized that we just talked about it. It's in our minutes let's just it's in the last last week's minutes. We move so many numbers. Yeah, we move so many numbers. Let's see. Towards the end. Mark said slashing 100,000 with that paragraph of the general discussion. Do you see that? Yes, it says Mark said slashing 100,000 from the proposed buzz. Okay, here, here were his suggestions. The salt shed line 146 removed 50,000 from the 70,000 allocated to salt shed for a total of 20,000. Is that what's in there now? No, yeah, but we move back. Okay, yeah. Number two cut 20,000 from road and gravel line 121 and remove 30,000 from the heavy equipment CIP for a total of 10,000. But then Randy. Different numbers. I made additional suggestions. Lower, okay. Lower the 20,000 designating the CIP for vehicle purchase to 10,000. To see if there's anything else that it says. The board did not disagree. Here we go. The board did not disagree with Mark's $100,000 cut. ARPA funds will be used to offset the cost of mud mitigation. Now the budget is at 12%. Randy said he'd like to use more ARPA money on road work but leave the CIP as is. Other than the opportunity fund, which we did. Randy proposed reducing the salt shed to 20,000, leaving mud mitigation at 37,500 and allocating 30,000 for road gravel. So right now for road gravel, it says 30,000. And that Randy proposed 20. Uh, no, leaving allocating 30,000 for road gravel. So that's in there. And we were going to add 50 K to gravel from ARPA to make it 80,000 instead of 100,000, right? So yeah, so no, no, no, I'm just, we're just talking about last week. Like last last meeting is what we said that we would make gravel a total of 80,030 in the budget 50 from ARPA. Yes. Okay. Then the mud mitigation is under, where's that mud mitigation? What line is that? That's going to be for that under contract. Under contract. Okay. Line 202. Okay. So line 202 is 37,5 as Randy suggested. And it doesn't say how much in ARPA. And then it says Randy proposed reducing the salt shed to 20, but it's 30 right now. Okay. So we could take it. I think we discussed after that about splitting it, splitting the difference because it was 60,000 needed. And we said, we talked about splitting it over two years. So half the salt shed is in FY 23, 24, and second half of salt shed will be 24, 25. But so we're not using any ARPA for the salt shed, right? No. Okay. But we are using mud mitigation. We're using ARPA for mud mitigation, the 37,5? The mud mitigation originally was proposed at like 75 or 76,000. We decided that because it wasn't a previously budget item, we felt comfortable moving that back to half. Okay. We, the road gravel started out at 100. We decided to pull it back to 80. Yep. And then we agreed that we would fund 50 of the 80 with the ARPA. Right. But what's the other 30 for the ARPA? Let's go back to the minutes and see if it says something. Was it something to do with? Are you sure it wasn't mud mitigation? It doesn't say. Oh, it said Liz suggested using ARPA funds for mud mitigation, but that doesn't mean for, that was just for the 37,5, but that's not it. Okay. I just thought we agreed to pull that back to half understanding that it may not be, you know, it was, it was something that we never budgeted for before. Yep. The $76,000 number came from this last year. So it doesn't say anything about 80,000 in ARPA funds. All we know is that. So the 50. The 50 is for ARPA for gravel. And that's not. We didn't make any bigger cuts to the road and said we were going to cover it with ARPA. Do we see anything that's big here? I think the discussion, if I remember it correctly, was that if we couldn't straddle the two budget years, then ARPA could come in with the additional 30,000. Okay. Okay. So we're going to say half the salt shed in fiscal year 2324, which is the 30,000, the second half of the salt shed will either be fiscal year 2425 or ARPA or 30K in ARPA. Okay. So we're not doing anything else to the salt shed this year. Okay. Does that, does that make sense here? So, so just be clear, you're going to be half the salt shed for 2324, you're going to budget $30,000 for that. Okay. And then 2425 across that bridge when you come to it. The plan is, is that we would budget the $30,000 in next year's budget for that or the following year for that. And if for some reason we can't straddle the two and we have to do it, then that's the ARPA piece. Because you have to have that park of money designated by the year of 2024, right? Yes. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. So if you can't do it, then you do it. Okay. Mark, do you have any questions about that now? Nope. All set. Thanks. Peter. All set. Okay. Is there any more discussion about the town budget? Or did you come up with a 10? Oh, it's at the bottom. 10.24%. Right here. Line 280. And we're not voting on this 50K, because that's a special article, but in effect, if it passes, the budget is actually $13.56. Thank you. Great. So we're voting on a 10.24% budget. Is it the 153? No. 101? Yeah. 657? 657287. 1 million 657287. Okay. Is there any more discussion about the budget? Hearing no discussion. Is there anyone who would like to make a motion? I will make the motion. I don't very often get a chance to make motion. So here you go. I'll make the motion that we approve the budget. the number that Derinda just said 1,657,287 which is a 10.24% increase. Is there a second? I'll second it. Dick seconds it. All those in favor of approving said motion say aye. Aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. And the budget has passed good work everyone. Okay so now it is 515 we're a little ahead of schedule but Sarah this is considering increased fees for DRB appeals from 105 per appeal to 150 per appeal plus $10 a butter per a butter mailing action possible. I'm going to draw. All right thank you Mark. Thank you for your work. Times Argus and the cost of Kevin's time and my time in these appeals we decided that we needed we're not covering our town's costs we base other taxpayers are supplementing so we we worked it out and Kevin looked at other towns and saw what would they do and a lot of times if you get we're going to have a case with like something like 30 of butters and that's like that's 30 certified mailings and 30 regular mail that's a lot of money and a lot of my time so that's why we decided to break it down for individual mailings so somebody has three abutting neighbors they shouldn't be charged the same so okay 150 per the appeal and then we extra for the mailings and this would start when well I would like to be able to put it in the town report that's why I'd like to bring it up now so I would like to have it as you know soon as possible maybe let's call it February 1st yeah you repeat what you said about if you had three or when they had 30 some people have a lot of abutting neighbors and some people only have two or three you have one of those right now right so the person is going to be great that's coming up but with some persons it's it's it's can be hugely expensive I mean it's costs close to eight dollars for a certified letter and it's awesome a lot of time on my part and then it's another you know almost 60 cents for a regular letter by the time you're getting up there somebody who has an appeal with 30 neighbors shouldn't have to pay the same as the somebody who has an appeal with three neighbors so that's why we're breaking out breaking out the mailings right now we just charge a lump sum like whatever and so we're not we're not reflecting so the person who's doing the appeal is going to pay also for the mailing yes okay theoretically the person who the appellate should be doing all of this setting out all the the notices and running the end of paper but because the town is a little bit could be sued if we do it incorrectly we take on that responsibility gotcha so does the ten dollars covers our cost the ten dollars for the mailing yeah the ten dollars for the mailing covers our cost just a little bit more plus you know we're going to the appeal the 150 dollar appeal takes into account you know me designing the ad kevin putting together the butters us me stopping on the looks him paying attention like going through the permits and appealing going to the drb in presenting the town's case so we figure that that everything is okay okay any questions for sara peter do you have any comments about that no i don't i think it's fine i i think we should uh you know we don't need we're gonna obviously not going to do it tonight but i think we should review all our fees in light of increased mailing costs and everything else sara has discussed um i like i like modest bumps not big bumps so keeping them in line is a good thing so do you want to set a date but like that this is effective like for applications starting February 1st or whatever i think make it effective after town meeting okay how about we just make it effective uh March 7th or whatever March 1st yeah March 1st March 7th that sounds yeah that way we don't look like we're picking up one particular repellent yeah sure and March 7th is the town jade for town meeting right yeah okay so does someone want to make a motion does anybody yeah i don't question sir do you know what percentage of uh applications go to the design review board it's development review board development reports um we you know it can be a hit or miss year it seems like recently we're getting a lot more uh as people live closer to each other and they need waivers this Phil notes that for things like you know i want to put a shed here my day for those of mine can have a waiver that has to go to the drb but we're also going to get subdivisions having major subdivisions that's going to be in the town's future and those are handled by the drb they used to be handed by this planning commission but now they're handed by the drb so those will auto that also falls into this this appeal so maybe just to make clear that any any any matter before the drb should be that's that requires notification those are the fees no we'll just keep you as we go that's fine anyway i don't know it's hard to but are there other fees for the drb besides appeals well somebody has a somebody has a major subdivision they're going to have to go to before the drb that hasn't happened yet so do you want to change the word to something no because we it could be the different price altogether for something like that right let's just do okay let's just do this okay i'll deal with subdivision you say major yeah is that the same thing and saying a large or small it's more than two lots so there's a minor subdivision that kevin can handle and then there are major subdivisions used to get to go before the planning commission now for the therapy yeah so he can handle one and two lot subdivisions he does that all the time has to go to the board okay and it depends if there's also a time frame so if they apply for like their third within a certain time frame that becomes a major subdivision and it happened in our neighborhood it's okay it's changed things because you're gonna ask me any more zoning questions i'm not sure i can answer i just wanted every every uh request for i guess everything's a subdivision whether you're breaking up a piece of land or you're just buying a piece of land is that correct no no if you have your gigantic estate and you want to make it into five lots that's a major subdivision that's going to have to go before the drb if i want to take off half by a lot half by a lot and sell it to you know somebody who wants to buy a lot that's a minor subdivision but if i want to do it again then i think you're a major subdivision territory and that's where it gets tricky i'm not going anywhere near there do you know the top what's the time frame between the two do you know i'm not the zoning administrator but there is a time frame there is a time frame yeah because we we encountered it when somebody was doing they kept doing it over and over and we're like wait a minute yeah it becomes and it becomes a major subdivision because it was in i think it was a 12-month period they don't remember our two-year period but it was yeah they wait they end up waiting until the time frame was up and then they got it and then became a minor they became a minor again and then there's an active 50 stuff so yeah yeah it gets complicated are there any more questions about this particular agenda item okay is there a motion yeah i'll make that motion okay i'll sorry yeah yeah and fill second okay all those in favor of increasing the drb appeal fees from 105 per appeal to 150 per appeal plus ten dollar a better mailing beginning march 7th say aye opposed the eyes have it and this has passed congratulations sarah okay oh and we are five minutes ahead of schedule but are you guys okay for starting the middle sex volunteer fire department or do you have people joining at 530 on zoom okay so we have with us two very special guests from the middle sex volunteer fire department um so why don't you guys take it away okay i don't see him on there oh his name oh it is yep oh and shelly yep sorry shelly's on there to you as a guest hi scott are you welcome you so for um this meeting being it's the first one in january we go from third week to third week it's a split between december and january for our runs during a time period we had a total of nine calls minor error there i'll go over to you sarah just so the calls over last month they go ahead and cross that out mutilate out we had no outs we had one in and that was purely as a precautionary because the alarm system at remedy went off right after the power came back on so instead of waiting till we get there to find out how we started rolling luster just in case um and i'll get into that call in just a minute max number at a call were eight men's two and that was for a tree on a power line our average response was 4.89 which is up from last quarter which was one our fourth quarter and the six was at six engine one was at six times and the six out zero times tanker one two times rescue one five times truck 14 zero as far as the calls we had a car versus deer on 89 we had a tree on over route 12 on a power line by rightsville dam upper sunny brook tree down same day uh ronnie school so what happened with that is the power was out over there for five days they have a two tier system in the school there's a wet system for the sprinklers and there's a dry system so the dry system is up in the attic where there's no heat and what happens if when a sprinkler head opens the pressure drops it fills it with water and then it sprays out and that's how that works the way that that keeps um pressure in the line is there's a an air pump that needs power to run their generator that they have to go on in such cases as a power outage was down for like three months waiting on parts and the part finally came in the Tuesday the power came on they were going to come Wednesday to fix it so there's been no air going into the system so when the power came back on the system worked like it's supposed to the sensor said oh there's no air so i'll send water so when that happens we get notified that there's air flowing in the dry system so we get the call that it's from the school the sprinklers going off there's a certain pucker factor with that um so i beat feet right to the school and lights are on all over the place nothing red is burning uh so it's like toned people back and then we found out that it was purely it didn't have pressure it took like um most of the next day for them to finally to get it seat for it to seat properly so close that um dry system off but the the they did have an alarm working alarm system uh they did have a wet system if there was a fire so they did have fire coverage in the building it was just the dry system up in the attic over the the geneteria that have the issue um but that was a lot of work at coordinating with the sprinkler company the alarm company you are the the school district to get that thing resolved moving right along we had a vehicle in a ditch uh vsp canceled us on that one we had on new year's day we had a vehicle in the median in the rocks right before waterberry um just over a hill and a curve so that was a dangerous area um we had same day we later that evening we had a two vehicle accident right up here at center in loop two uh no injuries with that one um so on january 10 when the consolidated communications um alarm went off now for your interest if you don't know this their address is a route to address not welsh park drive um so what happened is we were getting our sprinkler system inspected which turns on the pump that's in that big pump house by the pond there well that pump operates this fire suppression system for consolidated and for us and i don't know if it works for um the farm to table place as well we didn't get a call that their alarm is going off but it set off the alarm system and consolidated i was already unseen so i could cancel everybody from going because i knew what the problem was uh so now we're going to coordinate with consolidated to test our alarm simultaneously so we don't have that problem but we didn't know that that worked that way uh and culver hill there was a um a vehicle rollover got it was a Subaru all-wheel drive got well off the road um all-wheel drive gets you further off the road um nobody was hurt on that one as far as training we did um an emergency vehicle scene slash road closure so especially up on the interstate how we want to isolate the scene to protect everybody and the ambulance uh how we want to place the vehicles and we place them such that if people aren't paying attention which is a lot they'll hit a large truck and bounce off maybe move the truck some but not hit people further down in the shadow of that truck um that's how we protect because people are just oblivious to what's going on so we went over on how to cone it sign it placing vehicles uh repairs i won't say any more than that it's on the sheet um upcoming purchases we were replacing an AED we have one that died and talking with zole the age of it there's going to be a cost and just for them to look at it whether they could fix it or not and then if it could fix it may not even be worth worth it so we just said screw it we'll get a little over $1,700 for the new one with both adult and pd pads so it's actually a step up from what we currently have it's a newer iteration as far as fast quads uh busy time there 15 total during the reporting time 10 medical only calls and five in conjunction with accident calls so um when you say responders do you mean people from our team or do you mean from our department those numbers are based on our okay just our people okay cool so we're we're inching up on a number of responses even though that that we had a two only two long responses just a tree on a power line 112 that's you don't need a whole lot of people to to deal with that the other day the fire department they get toned out for i didn't get a sheet on it yet for manpower for a medical call that was it doesn't count as a call okay yes okay dick i was listening to your uh what you said about at an accident scene setting up vehicles for so the people are safe the the responders that are working the scene correct so this is my head you know just do you guys ever was there ever any thought given to an attenuator that could be part of your what are you trucks what are you talking about an attenuator on attenuator that's like the when you're going down like when you have a if you've ever seen like when you have a project on the interstate for example is the best example best thing i can think of it's a truck with a shock absorber amounting to it uh no because that's a number one that's a that's an aot thing and that's a very special use item and even with those right oh right we've we've been to we were to a really nasty scene where they had one of those there were painting lines and uh uh an economy in with six people in it slammed into that and there was the driver that was injured that scene was an absolute mess we're not on scene long enough really to have and and have it a lot of times if it's looks like it's going to be a long time or it's in a blind area like it was on new year's day we'll bring the tanker out which has got two thousand pounds of water in it so if it does it even with the signage and people under they're oblivious to whatever be they're looking at their cell phone they're talking to their passenger they're just oblivious um they'll hit that having a a truck that only does that to me is not a a why spend of our fire department funds for when we were talking about cost more fire region or the attenuator well the the fire truck will but we've got to find we would have to find someplace to put it and it would only get uh the number of accidents on the interstate versus in the town or it's the ratio is going more in town than than on the interstate so that's a just that truck alone is probably going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of a hundred thousand dollars um that's we could spend that a lot more wisely on getting a new rescue and the tanker that we have is worth considerably less than that right the the tanker we have we paid a hundred seventeen thousand for it okay uh and and had we gotten gone with a company other than vtech we would have been paying 182 or 184 thousand oh it's just a thought i'm not yeah it's just i'm not challenging the fire department on there it's that's a very specialized thing to have for the department to have on the occasions that were in a place that vsp isn't blocking because cars pay attention to blue lights not so much red lights and on a straight away vsp is seen well ahead so that would be used in the number of i would say less than it does probably less than a dozen times during the year if that many it's just we're on the on the interstate so relatively a short time like getting that all set up takes time it's like getting a sign package from aot to close closed down line it's a minimum of four hours to get them to get a sign package out and that's when they're at work so okay peter has a question peter you're on mute you're on me you're muted hi here i am thank you um jeff i had a question when you talked about the alarm situation with regard to the fire pond yeah so my understanding is that we have no connection to that fire pond that there is a i guess there is a dry hydrant is there a dry hydrant in the fire pond that comes down the hill so the the the pond feeds our fire suppression system our sprinklers so when it when he tested it and opened up the the valve to blow water out it kicked off the pump in the pump house and that's that's how that's what charges our sprinkler system is coming from the pond through that pump and um but that's the only thing we don't have the outlet that we have underneath the stairs going up to the mezzanine is just a gravity feed from the pond we do have a dry hydrant where we have a little shack built that we can either draft and fill our vehicles or we can hook up to a pumper and feed the the other dry hydrants coming up the road got it i never knew that we were connected to that fire pump in any way manner shape or form neither did we and i don't think yeah so there is there is an actual line running from that fire pump down to our fire station apparently so because that's where you got the water pump we need to i mean we are we are right now in the in the throes of negotiating hopefully negotiating a dissolution of welch park and our assumption on the engineering reports and everything else make no mention of any connection to our fire department and i've never heard of it so that's obviously an issue if we're part of that if we're part of that fire pump that that changes everything so so yeah and i don't know if it's just the two of us or if if the the farm building has it as well like i said they never called it they had an alarm so my guess they may not even be sprinkled so it wouldn't be an issue with them um and it just so happened that they actually had people at the facility consolidated during classes that day normally they don't have any staff in the building but it was a quirk that they the flute that they would actually had people there okay well we've got we've got some homework to do um because the uh the terms of this dissolution agreement as as presently drafted are consolidated it's going to be a hundred percent responsible for that fire pump and the pond so if in fact we really are connected to it that changes the whole picture so anyway that's a big deal well we're definitely connected when we hook into the the dry hydrant side that we draw from to either fill our trucks or if we had to to send water to be able to go across two to to the archives i understand the business i understand the dry hydrant and i understand the hydrants running along the road um i just was not aware that we were connected to the fire pump that's really weird i mean all all these years and i've spent hours and hours there staring at that fire pump with various people over over time and nobody has ever said that our fire station was connected to that well we built a fire station from the ground up somehow it got connected there must be something in the there must be something in the drawings of our fire department show a connection well you would think i mean we just need to get to the bottom of it it is important because you know yeah it's important you do remember i do remember i said something he was there when he built it durinda's going to investigate well i'll look in our paperwork downstairs but i kind of remember something about it i thought we owned that land too that was one of our lots of land and i'm going to pull that out maybe there's a deed that we have a that that's we have three lots allocated to the town and i believe that's one of them welch park is one of them and um where the fire station sits is one of them and i think they're on our our deeds the fire pond is i think so well all i can all i can tell you is john riley's digging into it right now so um we've got we've got some work to do but if you could look through that paperwork durinda that would be that would be helpful so the consequences the consequences of us disconnecting from that fire pump we'd have to create our own system to activate our sprinkler system right yes yes that would be expensive okay thank you i have a question before we move off the fire department do you guys track uh just average response time or anything like that is that possible to add to this i know it's probably got a lot of variability and types of calls and stuff like that but if it's something you were tracking it was just something i was wondering about sitting here so no we don't i don't keep the track of that and and it really it mean it's where how many people are at home where the call is i mean if you we get a call on the rumney side i'm going to engine six if it warrants engine six going it's going to take 20 minutes from here to get over there oh absolutely so so that for our we determined it's not something that that we we can make any improvements on because you've got weather roads i mean there's there's so many different things yeah and i'm not i'm not looking for improvement or anything like that i was just curious as to you know on average you know how long it took us to actually get somewhere to you know with in the existing state of of the department and how it how it operates you know if we if we track that and if you don't and that's fair um if you did i'd be interested in the data we don't i know this came up years ago before i was treasurer but um i would like to see what your thoughts are about billing people for um not so much residents but highway calls and things like that so sarah can answer to that yeah legislation this legislative body passed the ability to to bill those calls to bill them yeah right but i don't i i can't so i don't have any so so we have had almost when when sarah was doing it there was almost zero success with that because insurance companies say that's part that's your job is to be out on the interstate and deal with accidents well i know other towns they bill like that and it's and i and i can't name them but i've seen where they have said they may send a bill i'd be really interested see how successful they are in getting it back well in one bill i remember what only one company paid us and that was travelers insurance berlin tried it and they got they were no success um do people give you donations so after someone's come to your house some people do some don't honestly the interstate crowd doesn't know i'm not so much interested in our residents because i think that's what they're paying for with their taxes um but i do think that with the cost of our stipends going up and all of that you know and somebody driving dui they're costing us money um and that's where i think that and if it's a matter of you guys having the ability to do the billing or something that maybe it's something we could take on within our department or the other the other thing i see a potential of is if we're only billing people on the interstate and out of state there's going to be some smart lawyer who's going to say hey you're not billing anybody else in the town well they're paying their taxes are covering them but you know how lawyers are it's why you can't there isn't ever modern day it's still anymore because it has to be it's on federal land you have to do it so this is our parts of the highway to monitor that's so i'm not saying a lawyer will do that but i've seen some crazier things that lawyers will bring up and to me that's one of them that we're not fairly charging other people for it and fire services don't tend not to charge for calls because that's part of fire service ambulance whole different story but not with fire departments peter so i remember very well because i was the one who pushed for that for that billing years ago because it just drove me crazy that we were paying for all these all these calls up on the interstate and you know the whole the whole bit and it held me out sarah but i believe at the time there was a big there was a big hullabaloo and there was a a bill put forth in the legislature to allow for billing and it never went anywhere and uh the bills we sent out the insurance companies resisted like crazy i called i called a number of them myself at the time and talked to them and insurance speak and everything else i could i could think of and they just said no way we're not we're not going to do it and you know you can you can sue us for your 750 or thousand dollars or whatever it was that we were trying to collect so you know if if in fact the world has changed and towns are successfully billing insurance uh companies i'd love to hear about it but i don't believe that's the case i mean the last time you know which was a couple of years ago insurance companies were still resisting it like crazy sir can i just ask you well no if you would back out a random of towns that are successfully doing this i mean you could reach out to them i'm happy to reach out to them i'd like to know you know how they're doing and what they're billing for etc i just know it came up at the treasurer's meeting um it was something they were talking about you know income and things like that and that they did bill out i can't remember what towns that were um but they were at the treasurer's meeting yeah i mean i'm sure there are there are some that are billing out but what their ratio of collection is probably different and the time spent versus what they're getting back okay is there any more to keep us on the agenda are there any more questions or comments for the middle sex go into your heart department i received a letter from the capital fire mutual aid system remember we uh wrote a letter of intent for them to get a grant to update their their towers and all that so they've received their first phase of grant money which is 2.44 million dollars and they're working on their phase two which would be a 1.1 million so they're just letting us know that so far so good oh good and they're moving forward they remind me what it's for is for upgrading what like their uh the tower the tower is nice it's capital fire mutual aid is that what it is yes yeah is there anything that we need to uh that tied in that tied into that 10 year plan right for the $3,000 a year yep right yep because middle sex is uh allotment for that and i have this if you guys would like to read it but that was just the just the great error can you yep i would love to get so that's some no no you still have to fund it oh you still have to fund it yeah so they're they were seeking all of this all this as a fundraising effort and even if they got that those allocations by town so i think ours was just south of three thousand dollars a year for the next 10 years right that's it's a project matching and yeah included that fundraising oh it included that okay is that in the fire department budget that three thousand where is it we had talked about putting it in the cip for a while but then we we hadn't we talked about it and nobody had heard anything back on it so oh so we haven't actually ever paid a letter or something no it hasn't started right because yeah we got it so we had a discussion with them uh i don't know months ago yeah they came to one of the meetings in september october or something yeah yeah okay okay any other comments for the fire department thank you gentlemen for coming and for your nice report thank you thank you okay so it is 545 and eric's still here and vick is here for the highway report who would like to say where do i begin right no uh we're looking good uh the only issue i've come across is the uh chipper uh i pulled the chipper in the shop the other day well two weeks ago now to use it and decided i better check it out before we do and it's a good thing i did because the oil is contaminated with coolant so i don't believe the motor is any good motor is dead does it replace do you get a replacement or do you have to replace the entire chip i am looking into uh the best option right at the moment what would you think is a bulk work price of well i found thousands or i've seen well i've seen i saw some engines online that are used for six to ten thousand dollars used engines so it was my understanding that there's been lots of discussion about this chipper and whether or not it met today's safety standards and whether or not we could actually even push forward with continued use of this is am i out of line by saying you're right you're right but i think they did go to uh what was the gentleman's name right there just up the road was it just the shady real old garage yes gave yeah supposedly he got it into so that it would comply with ocean ocean ocean but it is a 1989 if anybody yes how did you use it uh well i i don't know if they'd used it since they got it fixed up but i was going to use it in can so we ever used it since they did mccullough high mccullough highway yeah when they did when they made that section class three right no last time well the whole road they remember they did they did the whole road with it okay how much does it cost to rent something like that or did they not are they not available to rent them it's seven hundred dollars a day chip but anyway so i'll i will try to get some information together but that's that's the only earn a life come up against when you when you look at repair costs and all that kind of stuff eric can you put some thought into like how often you think realistically we need to use that like how many days out of the summer do you think that we might actually do it just so we can compare like oh absolutely you know the the repair cost versus you know uh what rental on an annual basis might look like it's just like everything is real handy if you have one if you have a tree down or you want to you have a you know like this winter has been an excellent time to uh with low snow you could go do different areas if you want it to and how what's the capacity of that chipper how that was 12 inch 12 inch was that like a 70 probably $80,000 for new so there's a place down in down by Bethel stock bridge i think stock bridge where they sell them and i've seen some advertised they're refurbished for anywhere from 25 to $50,000 to harm those things are expensive um other than that anything else about the road yeah this never ends no so we're just quickly before i forget i i need to uh leave town for an appointment at 11 tomorrow morning so if there's any chance you guys could buzz over in the morning yeah that'd be great i'm i'm loaning the town my honda generator so we have a generator at the town garage to uh open the garage doors and pump fuel yeah uh we should be able to i unfortunately wasn't able to make it today but yeah we'll do no that's fine it's not an emergency i just uh yeah okay thank you before 11 okay it could be emergency yep it could be anything you want to add about the roads highway report eric has and the crew have been uh doing some mud mitigation that we don't usually do this time of year we're using material out of our own pit so that we stockpiled over there this fall something like tailings and yeah just the clean each i have stone now peter had mentioned earlier that east hill was or over by his house was muddy and is it the actual frozen ruts you're dealing with or with when it was warmer it was frozen it was everything okay all right i know there's a lot of people where you go up over the hill from my house and down the other side the sun bakes on that so that's the first part that also breaks up yep okay well thus our big budget for gravel next year easy enough to explain all right anyone else want to do you have any comments peter about the highway or have any questions no i just think it's uh you know victor said this would be a great time to cut brush if we had a chipper but we don't so we'll figure it out way there's other questions i was actually going to stop and talk to him i just haven't had the ability to do yeah i don't because he had a pretty good handle on what the market was a new no i'm maybe he might know of a place to get that's right i really like there okay so um if there's nothing more about the highway report we'll move to our six o'clock um agenda item which is the 2023 town meeting preparation reviewing a draft of the warning which sara has given us this nice big giant 11 by 20 or whatever it is and um discussion about pending legislation permitting floor vote towns to again hold town meeting via australia ballot preliminary review of the 2022 select board report action unlikely okay so sara gave us a copy of the warning do you have a copy of it peter it's that you would have had a big thing of it okay and um yeah why don't you go ahead sara if you want to share with us what's yellow it looks in blue yeah we can fill if you get to article six we can fill that in with the budget number you guys voted tonight um the other two i looked at the article seven happened in article eight dorinda had a really good idea these are the this is the creation of the fund reserve fund and also how to fund the reserve fund at to the after if the voters approve it and i looked vlct had a really clear template and i just used the wording for that you have to give the funding name and you have to say what it's for and dorinda just came up with a great idea which is to call it the asset slash asset slash equipment fund yes so assets could be yes a lot so rather than vehicle and heavy equipment yeah right the asset slash middle sex asset asset slash equipment okay yeah okay and then we just need a description of it um top of an asset uh oh no i'm sorry that's i'm sorry forget that that's article seven is the land use regulations that that's that's pretty standard wording i'm just looking at article eight and article nine so asset equipment fund and we have to use a get a description i said to be used for to fund future purchases what do you guys want to say of assets and equipment i would do it of vehicles and um assets could be anything capital assets vehicles heavy yeah and you might want to even say something like does our capital asset plan say what our capital assets do we have that in there like as defined in our capital asset plan which is well it talks about money yeah and and there's some financial thresholds that are captured within there like it's got to be more than five thousand dollars and there's there's a bunch of different defining stuff there that that talks about what it fits but i just want to keep it really simple so um so just say so town establish a reserve fund to be called the asset equip asset slash equipment fund um to fund town future future purchases of town town vehicles vehicles vehicles and equipment yeah and equipment could be probably heavy equipment but but if we want to fund a server or something yeah that's what i mean you want to fund a server yeah you could say capital assets as defined in our capital spending plan actually i actually like that and our capital spending plan that's really what that's really what it is and if somebody wants to know what that is we need to be ready to develop okay so fun well i mean essentially you've got you've got the documentation for it you've got the the application process defined already so it would have to it would have to go through that to be included in that right in that fund so anything that was outside of that and didn't go through the capital improvement process application and scoring fee and everything else wouldn't be applicable to be funded through this fund so shall the town establish a reserve fund to be called the asset slash equipment fund to be used to fund assets as defined by the cap in the capital improvement plan future purchases uh future purchases of assets yeah future purchases of assets do we want to do anything that like sucked as no i would really keep it i think you i don't think you want to pitch and you don't want to put that yeah okay you know there'll be discussions at town meeting we probably i mean it's not like we're going to go out and buy you know a swimming pool but it's uh well and this could also be explained phil in the in the budget explanation that um you know uh we have or are we going to have any explanation about any of this before somebody needs to write something about the capital improvement plan yeah and i don't know who that is it's not me oh it might be come from the budget committee i would think so i would think that i would be charged if that's who's charged i would ask mark so we should yeah we can connect with mark and we have a meeting on the 24th yeah that uh 20 the 24th so just asking to add it to that agenda and well it would be good i mean i'm just running i'm bumping up against a deadline on the town report okay so if there's a defined deadline that you need to meet and we need to specify it that's all right um so the 24th is Tuesday and uh that would be good it wouldn't be really great if you guys could review it like somebody could draft it and review it at the 24th meeting and then give it to me on the 25th so will you send him an email asking i'm going to do it right now and then we'll put it on the agenda to review on that yep perfect okay and then you guys have uh article nine is to some of blah blah blah else took this from the vlct template to fund the asset slash equipment do we want to call it the heavy equipment or just i would i would just name it the same exact thing that's in the budget here middle sex that was the the capital ass middle sex asset and equipment fund slash equipment fund yep okay great and that's 50k right that is yep and then um okay that helps and then the budget of one six five seven two eight seven okay um and why are you highlighting article seven because it's new yes so that is the those are the land use regulations and uh it's oddly enough there doesn't seem that's that's the most that's that's just that seems to be it i don't think there's anything more that you guys want to include on that and do you or but hold on shall the town oh this is in this this wait a minute and why is the to be voted by australian ballot oh article seven because that's the citation those the that those land use regulations must be voted by australian ballot for the state statutes that's why i put the state statute but hold on these are i'm sorry are these article eight and nine are discussions new it's all they're just new there's things like you guys have you've gone through i mean i think darinda has looked you've looked at the numbers and uh the dates and article four for the taxes right that looks good i know but so the yellow is new stuff i i i understand i guess i'm really confused um don't aren't these articles things that we're doing as a floor vote everything except the land use regulations must be on the ballot but isn't article nine going to be under special articles for a vote yeah an australian ballot vote no that's going to be by the floor oh it's going to be from the floor okay the only thing that has to be by australian ballot are town officers and the land use regulations okay so article seven is going to be on our paper ballot that's correct but article nine is going to be a floor vote eight and nine eight and nine are floor votes you gotta create eight if the voters say yes we'll create that fund then you gotta say well how much are you going to put into them gotcha okay this is going to be a long meeting i don't think so okay good um we don't have any we've so far you don't have any most of them are just repeats other than those three yellow ones i can just hear people this cat this reserve fund is going to take a while to talk about like i guarantee you and everyone's going to be hungry okay so and then article 11 and 15 we don't actually and we're not actually not even well 11 and 11 and 15 we won't know until 5 p.m. thursday because they haven't submitted any petitions okay yep everybody else has submitted a petition gotcha okay and then we don't yet know what this number is because we're still waiting for the petition okay i take article 17 is basically done but i i have i have two i had a double thing i you have sexual assault crisis team just draw a line through it because it's what mosaic is now so so what number did you come up with? um i didn't come up with it okay we'll figure it out we'll figure it out but you don't have to approve that that's just special articles because i just need you guys to go over this so that when you do vote on the warning it'll so are there any questions from board members about this actual warning besides what we just discussed so it is believed or expected that there's going to be no legislation to allow not having a traditional town meeting right incorrect correct they're going to that legislation will definitely pass yeah so that's why i just wanted to get it it's creating complications for us who are trying to do the town reports and also trying to arrange ballots to be sent out we just need a i just need something from the select board indicating which way you're going to go but isn't that the next item on the agenda yep right so are we so this discussion about pending legislation permitting floor vote towns to again hold town meeting via australian ballot yeah peters is asking that's what he's asking about and you are saying that you believe that the general consensus is the legislation will pass and they'll say that yes you can hold town meeting via australian ballot like we have for the past because of covid or something it's going to be some sort of okay um okay so are we done with that item the the legislation yeah besides going to the because we also have preliminary view of this like board report before we go to the next agenda item about the actual my only concern is that you're going to have you need to have one more special meet we have to have one more meeting before you meet again in february by statute just to pass that warning so we're in the yes so the question is if you want to discuss and make a decision about the legislation like whether or not you're going to hold town meeting in person or if you're going to hold town meeting by australian ballot you might as well just do it tonight if you're not ready to have that discussion we're going to have to have it at the special meeting so it's up to you but if we have it tonight it's at the next agenda item right okay i don't yeah i think so yeah it's the next agenda item so let's finish this other agenda item first all right which which um talks about the pending legislation which it sounds like we've discussed that okay so the next thing is looking at the select board report okay so let's do that so we're not and we're not approving the uh not approving the warning tonight in any event right right no did everyone get a chance to review the select board report and did they have any edits or the only thing i wanted to edit sarah was that it down at the bottom where it says select board vice chair liz sharp has been pivotal in applying for grants to pay for a feasibility study okay i would say select board vice chair liz sharp and committed town person sandi levine planning commission chair yeah but she kind of is not doing it on that she's doing it as like a all right i would just say and sandi live in town's resident sandi levine okay have been pivotal all right because and and resident dave mcbeta that's great i just want to make sure sandi's mentioned okay great so i have one quick um one quick change uh where it says transitioning the mf mv fd into a municipal department actually began with the devastating fire destroying the middle sex united methodist church i mean to me we've been talking about this for i don't know eight years ten years some long period of time so did that maybe bring it to a head maybe but i think we were well down the path of trying to do this before that so i just like to change that language and say for a number of years uh this had been discussed had been a had been a concern for the select board something like that rather than kicked into high gear we do that kicked into gear after being discussed for a number of years let's see is there any purpose in putting down about the middle sex church really no it is almost like it's almost like wrong yeah let's just okay like it's not there i mean yeah they didn't have a great response but let's not rub it in there okay yeah it's gonna be positive yeah it yeah because things going good no no no i want it to be i want it to be positive i just want to reflect that this has been an ongoing discussion for some period of time after several years okay ongoing yeah yeah i wouldn't um it finally came to fruition are you putting a picture of the town hall on the um i mean the church on the cover no we had the church on the cover last year oh did it burn before oh it's 2021 yeah whoops it's been a while we're trying we're going to put pictures of uh oh because of the and the the the dretches on Norton road their their honey was a worldwide winner was like named best in the world wow i didn't know that extraordinarily good its secret is japanese not me oh dear god they're planting japanese but i mean they're internationally famous and they won this big award so we've got we're gonna have colorful pictures of interesting that's cool i'd love to try their honey but i have to i have to talk to aida alger if i don't do it by tomorrow i'm gonna kill myself she's turning on also um we didn't receive exactly 500 000 did we wasn't like four eight yeah can we get that exact number yeah i can get it for you it was five six received five blank blank blank yeah okay i might have to um you probably can get it from Cheryl but i don't know if i've got it just check that number yeah okay because it was an odd number okay all right great thanks for the report sir thank you well um also i would i would say um the next paragraph where it says taking advantage of 100 matching grand the the board allocated a hundred thousand dollars of these arpa dollars because it's not clear where that hundred thousand came from okay and you could keep it in that same paragraph if you wanted i just wanted to break that out to a cb fiber paragraph just like let people know yeah that's how i get a more questions about cb fiber than i do cb fiber and roads those are the number really yeah people are desperate call me i know i know and i would actually um i would put the arpa paragraph before the select board allocated 70 000 of arpa funds for the new airpacks okay and then so start with the arpa then tell how we've spent it so far okay great just like having a bunch of editors believe me i have my my highlighter printed out on her book and i'm oh she told me i'm not allowed to edit it no i don't i'm totally kidding sarah i do not can i get his name in here i'm sure me randy randy's in here i try to get everybody yeah he's under the um board the the budget committee on which new board member randy drew he's a member i was just gonna say i hope you did don't be credit because people are gonna be calling you mark is the unsung hero okay so let's put mark in here too i know that i know that i know that but i'm just saying haven't we in our select board report said you know this is the this is the proposed increase to the budget and please see the i can add that i would like i mean in the past what sarah's been doing is tacking the whole piece that i do on to the end of the select board report oh all right okay that takes care of it i'm sorry i forgot that thank you phil and i'll make malibu mark harris in here where do you want me to put him randy i mean he drives that budget committee he does a ton of work there okay yeah yeah he's for that budget committee is like no other budget committee i've ever seen in my time here you could say the budget committee led by yeah mark harris right harris great of which new board needs to submit a report too yeah we've already discussed that and i believe mark's already we've we've seen a draft all right i'll say that all right i will i will find a place to put that in here somewhere maybe right before we get into your big thanks to the budget committee as led by mark harris for uh putting together like helping to put together the capital improvement plan right and also focus what else do we see all right we'll figure it out i don't i just want to recognize his effort yeah because without without him that that thing would be dead the capital improvement yeah yeah he's he's put so much effort into that okay good and uh i will try to link it to your uh your five three four great a period after plan on upon the recommendation of the planning commission at the very end i like that the planning commission is free to comment well plan period is it by the way is it called the capital planning committee or is it called the is that the full name of it it like it's called the cip is capital improvement plan committee planning yeah i mean but we're not we're not actually separate from we're not separate from the budget committee the budget committee is just charged with the you know pushing the let me just rewrite that okay the budget committee which you heard is it has some similar to all right let me just figure out figure out but so there's no official committee right no part of it falls on the okay it's part of our duty all right great that was the best thing that you guys said happened this year i think we'll see if everybody thinks i think people really appreciate they wanted that kind of they've wanted that kind of long view for a long time okay so how about i just uh if you guys want to say pass with edits and i can just circulate it and if you guys have any problems just email me entirely vick did i leave you out of this report no victoria okay good to hire another town resonance during the road crew richard deadly okay good and select board like road commissioner and select board member victoria and there's phil is not running so phil who is going to write this budget report every year if not you're gonna call you up some contract that's perfect we're all volunteers here right all righty so any other edits or comments about this okay so um we don't have to oh do we have to move that we're passing it now tell you that it's good to go okay um so there's no action on that one so now um anything else before we move to the next agenda item okay next agenda item is setting a date for the special meeting to approve the march 7 2023 annual town meeting warning and if necessary decide on whether town meeting should be held in person at rummy school or by australian ballot action likely okay who would like to begin this conversation about i can begin by saying that i am in favor of having town meeting in person as um many things are in person now including our select board meetings um and i think it does give people an opportunity to potentially have some lively discussion about some of the items that are on our warning um it allows us to have perhaps a potluck meal afterwards and see our community members um you will notice that uh actually did everyone get a copy of the letter from susan clark um who also believes in the benefit of in-person town meeting um and that if people want to come they can wear a mask or they can they will have the option of um listening in via zoom so that technology will be available however they will not be able to do any votes so you still cannot is that right sarah there's still no opportunity yeah right um on the floor stuff so that is my comment is there anyone else who would like to share a comment about their thoughts about having town meeting in person or would they rather have it by australian ballot thick i had rather have it at australian ballot okay tell us why i think that um you are correct that uh it gives a people people chances to talk back and forth about it but with that said it doesn't give those people that that are not at the meeting it's it's the same old debate it's nothing new does not give them uh an opportunity to do that if they're not there not everybody can be there um i think that it's just um it boils down to if you have a if you have it on australian ballot uh it just gives people more people more opportunity to vote i don't think in actuality it changes anything uh it's uh from when you have a in-person vote i think what passes will pass what doesn't pass won't wouldn't pass anyways i don't think anything is a difference it's just the the perception of the equity in having the opportunity for more people to participate i mean we all know that not i mean how many people show up at that i mean people say 100 150 i don't know if that's so sure but that i just i i just solidly feel uh i i think uh it's going to be disappointing it would be disappointing to uh susan clark susan's heart is into that being a moderator and and having that meeting um but i still think at the at the end of the day it gives more people an opportunity to participate in town government thank you comments sure as far as in-person meetings i have nothing any no reason to say that that doesn't work um you know i agree with susan's comments around you know folks that want to be vaccinated can be they have plenty of availability they can wear masks the whole nine yards um but i i definitely agree with victor that you know i support anything that's going to provide more participation if you will um and if we could have a a combination of the two that would ideally you know be wonderful but we can't um you know folks were able to go and have a big long discussion to kick their ideas back and forth and then vote um through australian ballot and those that wanted to tune in could and and talk that'd be great but i don't see that um that's called the select board meeting that people don't come to absolutely um so i mean and i if i had to if i had to throw my support behind one or the other um i think the added participation and access to folks who physically can't be there or you know for whatever reasons maybe they're just too afraid to speak up in front of a crowd um that's pretty intimidating for a lot of folks um my support would would be for the australian ballot and and providing you know more access more participation bill yeah um i agree with randian victor um i think we've been moving in that direction for a while um town meetings are a great old tradition that's really anachronistic at this point um it disenfranchises an awful lot of people um and i think government ought to be about getting more people or giving more people to say and they say by voting uh the discussion's nice you can still have the discussion probably won't happen in most communities that have gone to australian ballot the informational meetings are pretty poorly attended although i must say that years ago when i lived in arlington vermont um we had gone to australian ballot this is 25 or more years ago um and we did have rousing town meetings although almost nothing there were a couple of other little things well we elected a moderator um and a couple of things that were up but it really most of it budget all that was uh was by australian ballot but tons of people still came out for that informational meeting but you know which i kind of thought was the norm and learned later on that no that it really was unusual so um but yeah i think as the town grows uh or has grown and keeps on growing um um for whatever reason we don't we don't seem to get a lot more people coming to town meeting than we have you know since i've since i've been here um the number the faces in fact um are the same um and so i think for that reason and again i'm i'm i'm certainly willing to have us uh to vote in favor of having a town meeting this year uh because i agree that i think you know we're meeting in public we're going out we're going places people can mask but eventually um i think we do have to move to an australian uh ballot uh down the road peter before i get your comments sarah can you um please and i'm guessing that you may know this answer um remember the time that people and this was pre-covid wasn't it they voted to turn town meeting into an australian ballot but we had to vote on it that was the first ballot that was the first australian ballot it was tied oh during covid it was and that was during covid right yes okay so so tell me if if if the board votes tonight to not have town meeting next year what happens so this is just a temporary thing so a couple of things that you know strikes me is that you're what you guys are talking about is the substantive issue of whether or not you should still have town meeting person versus what the legislature is saying which is because of covid because of fears of infection you can temporarily postpone the town meeting and that and they're thinking maybe of including 2024 in this as well so but if that you'd still after that would have to hold town meeting by the floor now do you want to put on a ballot do you want to put a question on the warning i didn't think we could i have to check i know that there is legislate if you're going to hold town meeting in person you can put a question on the warning saying shall we hold it by australian ballot next year no you can do it this year this is your warning but you can't put it on the australian ballot this year so let's say you decide not to hold town meeting in person that you're going to hold it by australian ballot because of covid you can't put that question on that australian ballot saying we want to have but if you hold it if you want to have if you vote to have a floor meeting you can put that on the warning and then the people at the floor at ronnie can have that discussion and they can vote on it unless it's brought by petition it doesn't matter even if it's brought by petition there's a lot of stuff brought by petition the only thing that has to be on the the quite the issue is you can't do what was done in 2021 which is the first meeting by australian ballot as from now on should we hold all meetings by australian ballot there's an argument to be said that the town is a floor vote town and it has established itself as a floor vote town these temporary covid uh conditions don't erase that you would have to have a floor vote and you would have to have it warned and you would have to have a discussion and the voters at the floor vote would have to vote to go toward australian ballot just like they did back in the day with the school just a minute are we are we so we've really got two decisions here i mean the first decision is that we want to go forward with an in-person town meeting this year because that's the issue right right and and for me uh i think we should um that said if we're going to if we are going to do that then maybe it does make sense to put something on the to put something on the warning and let's have a vote the thing i don't like is you know exactly what what randy and vicker talking about the people who go to town meeting every year are going to get to decide whether we continue to have a real town meeting and guess what there's a good chance they're going to say hell yes we like town meeting and all those people and all those people who don't come to town meeting aren't going to get a chance to vote on it and i think there's as far as i know from from what i've heard and what sarah's telling us there's no way around that so you know let's try and let's try and see what happens i mean it's a sad day to me and i i agree with everything i basically agree with everything everybody said i mean i agree with with randy and victor but i also agree with liz i think it's a nice tradition and it's a nice thing i think if we are going to go to australian ballot you know the we need to really do a pr drop to try and uh to try and get people to come to the informational meeting um what we have to remember is that the informational meeting you can't amend one of the things you can't do with australian ballot is amend any of the articles either vote vote up or down so and at the informational meeting of course you can't change anything all you can do is talk about them but maybe by maybe by having the the loose sharp uh covered dish potlock supper whatever we're going to call it and and talking up that meeting we can get a turn good turnout for the informational meeting and at least have some good discussion and feedback from the residents of our town um that but doesn't that have to be before town meeting doesn't have to be before the vote i mean and people can start voting as soon as sarah has it ready um so i i'm sorry i'm still confused about right now we're right now we are voting on whether or not because of covid we want to take advantage of having a australian ballot for everything that we see that's that's question one and that's what we need that's what we need to take that's what i need to vote on right now if this is what i want to back up to say so we're going to excuse me but that assumes that this proposed legislation that the legislature's talking about passes if that somehow doesn't happen then we're going to have an in-person meeting right okay so however let's talk about so let's say the board decides to vote that we're going to do australian ballot for this year because of covid right next year what happens we would have to vote on it again if they allowed us to do so if it's 23 let's say they don't allow us to do so then we would have to have a you have to have an in-person meeting next year and we can put on the warning for the in-person meeting that we're going to vote on the australian ballot issue but it's going to be at the in-person meeting that the vote takes place regardless if we if we want to do that there has to if the legislature hasn't extended it blah blah blah we would have to have an in-person meeting and and that vote would have nothing to do with covid right and the reasonings that we were putting out on because of other reasons that yes okay so i think sorry go ahead and go however we could in fact still put an article on this warning yes to address australian ballot right if we do it in person if we're doing it in person right absolutely you could you couldn't the warning you're not voting on the warning until next week so you can we can add an article that just says and i vlct has sample language because believe you me we're not the only town that's considering this yeah um we could just put that on saying shall the town meeting be held by australian ballot or else it should be shall the budget be voted by australian ballot and other you can still have a town meeting that addresses the special articles you could divide you can do have that warning and then you can bring that to then you can bring that to the voters and they can vote whether or not just the but that the budget shall be voted by australian ballot or shall all of town meeting be held by australian ballot so do you put in there 2024 as a fact you would have an effective data as the effective for a large right 2024 and you would have to be the annual town meeting as effective large 2024 but we can only have that article if we agreed to do town meeting in person that's correct that can't put it on an australian you can't put it on as an australian right so we would have to agree that we're having town meeting if we wanted to put that in person if we wanted to have that on so and can you can you just verify that because that's we did we did it the last time and it was it was like we did it under the time the time after that like you got some my understanding because i was all i was part of that whole thing my understanding was that after we had that tyvo we did the recount and all that kind of stuff my sarah got some communication saying that basically you know you can't do that moving forward right the secretary of state's office said you can't sneak that onto these australian these covet australian ballots plain field did and i think that they ended up so that's it had to be that the town how the town would normally vote so if the town is normally a floor vote town it's got a the floor vote town has to make a decision at a floor vote about whether or not to go either all or just the budget by australian ballot like i think he's popular their budget is by australian ballot but other special articles are arrested something like that yeah yeah what is callous is their budget also their budget i think they're all on the floor on the floor yeah so i'll just say one more thing in support of town meeting for the record which is really not so much about and i don't believe susan is pro just because we've had many conversations about it because she likes to be moderator and run the meetings it really is it is about democracy as is australian ballot right i mean that really is it's you know that is you know everyone having an option and availability to vote which is you know why people who are pro votes get out the votes are all for you know mailing ballots and extend you know letting people vote on certain days and those who are anti voters are against those things because they want they want to suppress the vote right that's not who you guys are and i don't think that's what anyone is saying no one wants to suppress the votes we want more people to be able to vote and we want them to have the option that being said knowing in our um this day and age what we're losing is actual face-to-face communication and people being able to discuss things in a democratic way and i think that that's really sort of the beauty of town meeting is that for one day the citizens become legislators and they are you know able to change something on on here and come up with a different you know thing that we're going to vote on because there's been discussion and that is really about our community and you know town meeting is sort of the last thing we have that that gets people in our doors as community that are fully invited to participate whether they choose to or not or they can't um this is the this is an opportunity and if we don't have town meeting they're sure there's the school sports events there's this and that but in general there are not other opportunities for us as a community to engage in a civil and civic manner so that's just where i believe susan clark is coming from she wasn't here to be able to speak and it's also where i'm coming from yes so i have the blct vote to use australian ballot um and they do note that this has to be if you're a poor vote town it has to be voted on by the floor originally but they so they say um so here the three things i want you to think of it says vote use australian ballot the australian ballot method of voting only applies when specifically required by statutes such as their zoning regulations municipal governments governance charter we don't have that or when the law explicitly enables voters to use it for certain items of town business the three general subjects that the law enables voters to vote by australian ballot include the election of officers which we do budget articles and public questions so you could have three different questions here vote to use whether to use uh australian ballots elect officers that's already done because the the prior town voters approve that vote whether to use a bit australian ballot for budget articles shall the middle sex adopt all budget articles by australian ballot pursuant to 17 vsa blah blah blah so that is one question you could consider and the second one and the other one is vote shall middle sex vote on all public questions by australian ballot to pursuant so you should break those two into of the articles on the warrant do you want me to add these to this warning but are you saying that these warning articles if we were to put those things that they are only can be passed on the floor yes because once upon a time the voters said but we want and they and what we did the other day was wrong two years ago yeah we were not really allowed to do that well i mean and this gets back to what vic says it's going to be the people that are going to say of course i want to have town meeting so it just that that is just are you sure we're sure about that that you can okay all right 100 positive okay the theory is that that this year the voting by australian ballot was something that was done simply as a health move and you can't take advantage of that right to do that right not for lack of time right so everything including voting for um the school budget for example was all done on the floor this was all done on the floor once upon a time okay so if we want to do that that means we still have to have if we ever want to get there we have to have town meeting in person to be able to have this conversation so the question let's go back to the question i'll make a motion okay to attend town meeting in person this year and also add the question about the australian ballots for both the budget and town questions on this year's um notice i'll suck it is there any further discussion okay all those in favor of randy's motion uh say i i i those opposed okay vic is opposed the eyes have it and that is article and so you got all that sarah now we have a long-time meeting dinner will be served today can i make a comment yeah trying to your unless the select board gets behind making that change it isn't ever going to happen because how though because unless they really push to make it go to australian ballot because to what exactly what phil said the exact same people show up every year they sit in the exact same chairs i mean we're not talking anything different well currently the board is behind it right but i'm just saying that i wanted to make the majority but taking absentee ballots for the last three years we had four to six hundred people participating in the vote as opposed to the hundred and twenty five hundred and fifty that do get out there the numbers just the numbers show it but my question is and why does the school i attended the school board meeting wednesday night they had a hundred and fifty seven people at that budget meeting big money on zoom on zoom big money big money but you know but this is i mean it's big money for the town but it's but you know it's you're talking five towns there but we don't even get 25 people why well i think one of the things that happened with that school meeting was there were a lot of threats to certain programs right whenever you do that um you're going to bring out a bunch of people and and you know you know i mean it's it's a pretty obvious tactic okay having used it myself you know that so threatened to cut the things that are high impact busing sports arts yep you're going to bring out a whole bunch of people who are going to beg you not to cut those things so they will vote for the budget you put the money back in that's how you get your budget passed with those things which you never intended to cut anyway but it's just it's a tactic so that's why you got a hundred and some odd people who showed up to complain about the things that they said they were going to cut and those things will now get put back and they'll pass none of us are going to complain about fixing the roads okay so let's keep let's keep on the agenda one time yes can i say that you uh you know i voted no and i voted no for a reason and i heard what you said about you know being able to compromise to to adjust things and lives i would say 20 25 years ago you would be correct but there's such a difference in beliefs political agenda uh and it's so much one-sided that those people that would vote on australian but they're not even going to go there and they're not going to go do battle and we've seen it we've seen it it gets very nasty i mean remember me a couple three four years ago and i asked just asked a simple question why are we giving so much money to the town of uh to the town of uh telecovered library yes do you remember that i do the americans and you know i mean i've had that discussion with susan clark susan's clerk said it was wrong she couldn't control it blah blah blah but that is the same i mean it went on for weeks so it's so polarized one way that that's not going to happen and those people that want to that would like to uh get into a conversation and probably could come to a compromise aren't even going to show up and it just i just have one other thing you know the the way to fix this whole problem about the floor vote making the decision about whether or not we're going to go to australian ballot is to at least try and lobby our legislators to change the law so we're allowed to have a town-wide australian vote about whether i mean i want the most people in town to make the decision on whether we're going to go to australian power or not and right now we're not allowed to do that so that's just a setup as far as as far as i'm concerned there ought to be a way that we can put an article on the australian ballot side of the house asking this question and get the maximum participation and then however it comes out it comes out but we can't do it right now but maybe maybe pointing this out to our legislators they can they can make a change um yeah that's a great idea peter and i'm happy to reach out to our legislators we have a lot we have new people they don't know what's and you don't know what i mean they may model who knows that they're going to modify the law of the covid law you know we'll have to look at that legislation i do think it's worth noting that you can take that vote from the floor you can but they can it can be a secret vote anytime anybody who can ask for a secret vote and i have the little ballot box and i have a little paper and anybody could do it so if you feel strongly about it and you know people you can just we could just say it's going to be a secret vote well someone has to break they have to ask they have to ask someone has to ask yeah someone has to ask it can't be one of us no someone has to move a paper ballot right okay but you know as it's part of the political part of this process i think assuming assuming we go ahead with the in person meeting which we voted to do and we add this article to the warning that it's important to get the word out that this is an opportunity for those people who are interested in transitioning to a Australian ballot to come and vote but they need to come to town meeting right exactly peter can i just have this quick question yes where on the morning would you like this to occur oh somewhere early well that and that's a good point because you're gonna be tired we don't want people to leave and people to get tired of going through all those articles we also don't want people who are who are rushing from work so we should make how about article between article five and six or so the budget is the budget no matter what the budget's required 15 right yeah yeah why not why not immediately following yeah put it right after that one five make an article where does it say five right here article six right there's like an article six yeah so yeah between six and seven yeah so make so if it follows right after the budget then you know that might be for both the chance yeah yeah we're gonna have the majority of the timing yeah and then article seven is a nice little offer because we know we have 430 we need everybody talks yeah okay so we're splitting there's gonna be two articles right isn't that the way the motion yeah it was basically the first is the budget and then the second was the public questions public questions so yeah the so that'd be seven and eight and just bump everything else so yeah article six the thing is that if we don't you know we're gonna get to article six what if we remember article seven is by australian ballot so now we're going to article eight article nine yeah seven is going to be a Passover seven's a Passover and I mean I think that you know these other things go by pretty quick because article two that's australian ballot all article one is moderator that's usually a slam dunk article two that's australian ballot article three reports the town officers everyone's got the town report just get past that we're not doing anything radical to the court the four payments that's the same the interest is the same then you get to the budget then the article seven's on australian ballot so I think you might be better if you just wait until after article nine do you think no I would do it right after the budget and people for the budget and then they can talk about whether they want to put the budget on to australian all right all right just I'm just worried that it's going to get it's going to be too early again but maybe not you mean too early that people want to show it up oh there'll be budget discussion because you're going to get into that see I think yeah but the thing is that the budget they pass over the budget to get to because the budget handled it by 15 do you want me to put something in the morning that says this would be handled in the end are we following immediately following the budget yeah that makes sense to me let's see if I saw it right so now it's like 445 and Susan will say well we're going to move on because we're going to come back to the budget at 515 oh yeah I would I would do it immediately following the budget okay can you also if you weren't at that if you weren't at that way then so if you have 515 you could put the parentheses immediately following article 5 or whatever that article is for the budget period right can you do that I think so I think I'm going to have to I think I'm going to have to see whether or not that's uh if that's legally allowed the concept of a warning is just so that people read it and say I'm going to come to this point I'm not going to come to the meeting um this is what I'm interested in this is what I'm not interested in so we don't want to misguide anyone yeah right all right I'll see if I can put in that word wording to it otherwise otherwise I think you're safe if you just say after the after creating the funds then you can go directly I think you're safe putting it there the people are going to show up they're going to show up for the budget yeah they're going to give they're going to be interested in the funds they'll be go then they're going to be then they'll vote on the australian ballot and then they can go home or vote down whatever special I don't see tons of people leaving they're going to miss the delicious dinner yeah the the dinner that peter's making along with the fire department but wait can you just do this is a totally separate thing can you do at a rate of 0.5 percent because some people don't know what 0.5 percent means they see five percent sure it's your warning yeah okay so does everyone do we need to vote on this no because you're gonna vote on the morning next week okay um okay so do we have any other discussion about this so there's no action no we already did the action okay now you have to take a date where you're gonna meet next week oh yeah what do I thought we already 24th well does it radio I have a budget committee meeting oh prior to what time uh we usually do those at four four thirty four thirty he said today I have it yeah so I haven't seen that email so it's at four thirty so what day are we talking I know we typically on the twenty five we could probably do something if I had an hour for that budget committee meeting so maybe five thirty so five thirty or even six o'clock depending on other people's schedules on on you probably could do that by zoom right that's what I was thinking yeah let's do it by zoom okay what time six like six yeah six o'clock peter does that work for you yes what is it called special special yeah and then we just have to stop down and sign it right yeah yeah that's easier than do we need to sign it by a certain time sarah like by the next day or something I mean it doesn't really matter I mean you will approve didn't vote for it and and this is called to vote on the morning okay to vote on morning yeah okay yeah go on zoom and not vote in on the zones select board and just be held by zoom right four thirty you can't you just can't vote okay so is are we all set can we move on to our six thirty agenda item at seven fifty six fifty six fifty um treasure report update on town financial issues action possible I'm going to make it quick yay update um I just want to thank everybody for working on the budget there was probably more input put in this year from the select board the budget committee everybody um so it was really good great well thank you darinda for dealing with all of our changes and plugging into the spreadsheet and getting it right well that's always scary right I know any any questions for darinda about the treasure uh about treasure stuff no okay so under other business we have um approving the 2023 certificate of highway mileage action likely okay you signed it doesn't look like it needs to be signed by anyone else okay okay we're still certainly identifying what we have for roads in the town is there a place to oh we sign it right here I got you all right okay I don't think so yeah I think we're good here okay thank you okay any questions about that certificate of mileage anyone nope hearing none we're going to move to Cody Wendell's curb cut which that oh I have to vote on it sorry all right so is there a motion I'm I'm Phil's moving it second who seconds also I'm going to second unit all those in favor of the uh 2023 certificate of highway mileage say I hi hi Peter okay the eyes have it all right so Cody Wendell's curb cut on Laura Barnett road this just needs a signature right it doesn't need a vote I think so I gave it all to you guys to review and if you guys are sorry but I would take a motion and authorize it okay is there a second second okay I did no discussion on so where am I signing this oh it's like for sure so all those in favor of Liz signing the curb cut okay okay uh what's today's date well one's mine once you're okay that's signed Sarah oh it's over there and let's see um approving the minutes of the January third select board meeting action likely any motions for approving the minutes that we have the copy of that we talked about in great length right okay um yeah second and Phil seconds we were all here I think we were I think so yeah that's everything all right so I'll pass that around if you could sign that um take an official vote oh do we need to vote yeah okay all those in favor of the approving the minutes say aye all right January third okay opposed all ready orders um those are being passed around I need to sign them Randy do you need to sign them I don't need to sign them and you you've looked at them you too I have okay and they look all in order shall we say okay here to me uh do we need to approve the orders no we just signed them correspondence Sarah okay and then I'll just quickly um so they stay on target to get out of here at seven I just wanted to say that um uh that accident that happened on Culver Hill Road was exactly what I predicted would happen this winter um and it was I would say probably the absolute worst accident that's happened there um and um the the mother of the driver um you know wanted had sent an email has sent an email I guess you would call that a little bit of correspondence um with Sarah and and me about um just reiterating the need to somehow warn or make that less dangerous I'm not sure how that would happen she was suggesting a guard rail where that culvert is um I will say that when those accidents happen they happen um generally they take out the mailboxes they always take out the mailboxes and then they either swerve back onto the road and then go over the ditch and hit a tree no one has done it as bad as as that and while he claims he wasn't going over the speed limit the speed limit is 35 and on that day he should have been probably going five miles an hour and I'm sure he wasn't right so but regardless that it was somebody who's not used to the driving conditions and you will lose control and that was why I had been advocating for a sign so um I understand that the ground's frozen and we're not going to get a sign um until the ground is thawed um and we just hope that people drive safely so anyway I just wanted to um bring that up can there be a discussion yes would you like to discuss it yes um yeah I don't see the point of the email what's what was the purpose of that the email from the mother from you um oh because I wanted you guys to know that this is what happened when I when I saw it happen I sent the email to you and Eric to say this is an example of what you're talking about do you get great satisfaction out of saying I told you so no Vic that's what it seemed like that's what it absolutely not and this you know Eric and I talked about this and we just thought it was pretty inappropriate now with that said who are you pointing the finger at for not having the sign I am not going to you said you wanted a sign if in July was it yeah I immediately said to Eric get a sign I said it's not going to go away Liz is not going to go away wait wait let me let me finish yes you know because we weren't going to say anything but as soon as you brought it up down here we're going to say I have told him and reminded him to get that sign no I'm going to get it not then it came it was cold then it was dry and then it was I said Eric stop over to my house I got the perfect sign for you he came over it's a big four foot sign it's all you could do is paint it it was kind of like tongue in cheek but Eric get the sign so we didn't get to sign up so what do you want to do what do you want to do I've done everything I possibly could do what do you want me to do I mean when you get a chance to put the sign up and I will also say I don't think the sign is necessarily going to solve the problem but I will say that this is and and the reason that I brought this up is because it happens every year and it happens multiple times a year and you have never seen it because usually someone just comes and does a tow truck this kid could have died and I'm not blaming the town I am just reiterating that this is a dangerous curve and this is an example of at the worst this was by far the worst you will know I did not come out and see you and Eric who were out there for hours dealing with it and I appreciate that I did not come out of my house and say to you I told you so Vic I stayed in my house no you put it on you put it on the the town email which is open to everybody well I would have felt better if you to come out and give me help no it's it I just I ate we're going to agree to disagree but that's fine yes Peter I don't think it's inappropriate all because I can ask you a question excuse me do we have the sign Victor no no why not I mean just is it on order is it no okay so I've had this discussion with you Peter before if you want to pick on me that's fine I've had this discussion now it's not just unique to Eric it's unique to all roadformers they they kind of do what they want to do so well I mean so I pictured it like this okay well you can picture anyone let me he's got a priority list this big right and this sign admittedly so probably isn't going to make a significant difference so that that falls way down on the priority so it's whatever I don't feel like it's it's something that because Liz sits here or anything else that it's that's okay it needs to move to the top of the list because that's just not right at the end of the day if Eric's priority list is a hundred items long and this is number 99 always then it's always 99 and we have to be conscious of that people need to slow down during inclement weather this isn't this isn't something that's the town's issue it's you know we'll get a sign when we can get a sign but you know he's got bigger issues to to deal with then okay I it's just for the record so that when this when the next thing happens and someone god forbid dies because and and we have on the record that actually we never ordered a sign because we don't care that a town's person is bringing up a safety issue on our roads I I'm I have nothing more to say about it I know to drive safely there I'm not thinking about me in my car I know exactly how to take that turn I'm thinking about the other people using it and knowing that an ambulance came and took that kid to the hospital and you're now telling me that actually we told you Liz we built we we ordered a sign to appease you no that and and yes I will continue to send you emails when people go off the road so that it's shown on the record that this is a dangerous spot and we did nothing about it you've stated before and it has nothing to do with my being on the board that I'm bringing but you've stated before uh that that's your common sense you talk about this a lot your common sense rules that are senseless okay I'm going to add to the board exactly I am carrying this right now and we are adjourning this meeting unless there's anything else that any matters that come before the board I'd like to be heard before you adjourn the meeting Tuesday number one I believe that the select board and I don't know whether the right word is directed suggested or whatever to get this sign so it should not be 99th on the list we should get the damn sign ordered and put it up if we as a board want that sign it should be done and you know I don't understand why it isn't done but on some level Eric is a good guy he should understand that's a priority not for just for Liz but for the select board and we're concerned about the safety of our citizens and we want to get that sign up now maybe we can get the sign and attach it to the tree until spring when we can put it on a proper post I don't know but come on guys I mean we the next guy going down and take the sign down too it's in the two little boxes listen I'm I am really sick of this and I don't like it and I don't think it's the right way for us as a select board to be handling this situation this is come to us as a citizen and she also a board member yes she is but she is pointed out that there is a known problem with a known issue and we're just blowing it off by saying it's way down Eric's list and he's never going to get to it that is I didn't say that Peter I didn't say that I have Randy said Randy said that Victor Randy said I'm not saying you said it wait a minute that I wanted that sign put that sign down and it hasn't got done so what do you want to do Victor please I think would you like to say something Dorinda has something that she would like to say I am chairing this right now and I will direct who speaks Dorinda I want to get off that subject I was going to ask if there was any quick update on the building inspection that we had here that you wanted to share or when oh yeah yeah or would we see something so VIA came thank you for that question they came last week and they did basically what they did was they photographed the building like they did this thing where you can basically put it in so they don't have to come here all the time so they spent most of their time doing that and then yes there are a bunch of meetings that we have planned for the public and I have it on sort of a calendar of dates that Sarah I believe you have that calendar of dates some of them are select board meetings and some of them are like in person like extra meetings and the video is on the you can access it from the website from page of the website from the whole meeting are the meeting dates posted or are those going to be announced as because there wasn't a lot of notice on the last yeah and that was my fault it had to do with they gave us three dates and then Peter and I when he was telling me about his issues I wanted him to be included and then he couldn't and then we at the last minute they were like this is the only day we can do it okay so that's how that ended up but yes there will be future February 21st March 21st and April 18th and are those not select board meetings or are those almost all of them are select board meetings yeah there's one or two that is not a select board meeting so I'll have to look at my maybe just one so initially we talked about a discussion at town meeting is that not going to happen or is it or we're going to have just an updated town meeting but we're behind schedule with them so there's not I mean there was never going to be a vote at town meeting it was more about this is where we are at but what we're the next thing that we're doing is tomorrow I'm meeting with Dave Meghita and Sandy Levine to come up with a town survey to send out to everyone to just get some input on like what do they in what do they vision what is their vision for a town a town hall so that that survey is going to come out that they will then incorporate that when they're when they're coming up with their ideas okay great just was one thing about that yeah there might just be one quick thing before we learn yeah so um I I do not believe Dorinda do you know if there's a sprinkler system in our fire department because I don't believe there is I think I think I think wasn't that what he was testing no I think I think Jeff is confusing the sprinkler system in the consolidated communications building I think it's connected to the alarm and that's what he was talking about but I will I will get to the bottom of that and make sure that that's correct but where we where we are on Welch Park is um the Welch Park attorney John Riley is is drafting uh one more revised operating agreement which is the next step and then also um whatever the dissolution document is going to be but that definitely presumes that uh benderson development which owns which owns the consolidated building is responsible for the fire pond the pump and you know we will no longer have anything to do with that so more news to follow I will look into that soon because that put that puts a big monkey wrench in this whole deal if in fact we are connected to that fireball right well the other thing is the parcel that that pond sits on somebody has that as part of one of their parcels and I thought it was the town I believe it is I mean John is looking at all that stuff to renda he's got all the documents um I believe it is common property to the park okay not not owned by any individual owners that would be that would be deeded over that would be deeded over to benderson okay there's gonna be you know all I'm saying is I'm working as hard as I can to get documents and and bring this across the finish line and I'll keep you all posted yep thank you okay any other thing to come before the board I'd like to just a clarification on that uh what Peter said about this or the sign what's the minute set I mean I'll do whatever it says I just want to know what it says in today's minutes today's minutes Sarah what does it say in today's minutes about the sign Peter said he wanted I think he said he wanted to make sure or something well what I have is that Peter uh he said he said Peter Peter said the board had directed that sign get it and put it up don't understand why it wasn't done yet this isn't it's not a priority for Liz but for the select board and a concern for safety of our citizens although I don't believe it was ever a vote for I mean we don't vote on you don't have to vote for a sign yeah I think we just discussed it a long time ago not to make a labor but should something should you be considering something more than a sign I mean if it's really that dangerous you know if it's that's how people are talking it should there be a bigger discussion sure the sign is the sign is a darn good first step if we need to put a guardrail there that's an issue that involves a lot of money and a lot of construction work and whatever and if we're going to do that that's definitely a bigger longer discussion but at least to get a warning sign up we will have made some effort to help with the safety of that situation right and even maybe a a sign farther away from it this is you know danger whatever yeah abrupt turn ahead or or dangerous curve I had something to get people to email conversation with um Eric about the location of the sign which led me to believe that a sign had actually been ordered because he asked me where we should place it okay apparently it wasn't ordered so um but and again I did think about that I was like maybe it needs to even be further away because you crossed over the hill and then you have no control yeah right that's what I was thinking right at the brett's house yeah it's like as you hit the crash maybe yeah or as you're coming up to it yeah all I want to do guys is is is get this done it's a small item in terms of cost but to the extent it's been brought to our attention there are other areas in town which you're of concern too but when they're brought to our attention we need to deal with them yeah so one sign with a curve on it going in the right direction but is what we're looking for because Eric and I've had this discussion do you want that or do you want chevrons all the way around the curve I thought about that Vic I was like maybe that's what we need are those big giant things no I don't think we do well they know they make them different hearts and that and Eric and I've had that discussion and I said if that's what you want get it but just yeah do something I'm sort of picturing a dangerous curve ahead but I don't I mean can you make I don't know if they make that I don't know if I don't know if I've seen that yes yeah sure I mean I think the word dangerous will catch somebody's attention you know that I'll do anything that this board wants to do I just want and then they'll hit their break earlier and go off the road in a different place and you're talking about those things that are on um french road like between french and pulver right and they go like this yes yeah okay okay all right so uh yes this meeting is adjourned thank you peter thank you