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I'm Roger He shows Good place to be dark to read inside of bowels We've got a lot of interesting stuff to talk about and also a facebook Privacy breach, but let's start with a few tech things you should know New whatsapp settings give users some control over who can add them to group chats without their approval The settings are either nobody which requires you to accept an invitation to be added My contacts which lets people in your contacts list add you to groups without an invitation and anybody which as the name suggests Lest anybody add you to any group without needing your approval first the new settings start rolling out today And will be worldwide in a few weeks Well speaking of social interactions the ability for google assistant to use google duplex to call restaurants to make reservations Is rolling out to non pixel android phones and ios phones Google duplex uses text to speech and ai to call restaurants for you over the phone It's been available for pixel phone users in 43 states For a while now android users need android 5.0 or higher and ios users need to have google assistant installed on your phone Sources tell Reuters that japan display will supply oled screens to apple for its smartwatches later this year Japan display has been late to the oled market and has been losing money as the market for lcd screens declines Japan display gets more than half of its revenue from apple So they need to provide some oled screens to apple samsung lg and several chinese makers dominate the oled display market right now Samsung is the exclusive supplier of oled screens for phones to apple While lg supplies oled screens for apple watches at the moment And google released the second android q developer preview for pixel phones and among other things It includes a foldable screen emulator for developers The emulator uses screen dimensions that match the huawei mate x and samsung galaxy folds All right, let's talk a little bit more about 5g scott. Who is winning the 5g mobile service race? 5g you've heard about it for years finally someone's in the race South korea was set to become the first country to launch commercial 5g mobile service friday not a huge shock to people who follow Stuff in that region of the world but verizon flipped the switch early on its service in chicago in minnesota usa I guess The motorola z3 is the only phone currently available in the u.s That can take advantage of the service and customers will pay an extra 10 bucks a month to access it Nothing comes free folks multiple carriers will launch south In south korea friday sk telecom expects 1 million 5g customers by the end of the year That being 2019 and kt corp is offering its 5g plans with unlimited data at a lower price Then it's lte plans the samsung galaxy s 10 5g can be used on the service There and lg will release its 5g capable phone in korea later this month lots of 5g going on and i guess We got it turned on first. I want to know how many z3 customers will be like Yeah, i want to pay an extra 10 dollars a month for this because i'm first I want to buy a z3 and the 5g module and pay an extra 10 dollars a month and I live in minnesota For sure. Yeah, yeah It's not like all of minnesota. It's it's not even all of chicago It's like around the loop in chicago and a few other areas So it's you're real limited on where you can actually use it But boy, you can show it off to your friends if you're in the loop or one of those other areas well, um, one of the I mean, I know you guys have talked to death on this show about uh google stadia and other plans part of their part of their Assumption I think is that 5g will be so Permiated by the time that those services are ramped up that that will give them a huge advantage because that's enough speed and capacity to run What they claim to be able to run on phones and and mobile devices and smaller devices in a wireless way so So 5g has all kinds of implications for me is someone who follows the gaming industry and is watching this cloud business very closely but uh Yeah, it's gonna have to start with phones and i'm not surprised people are going to pay extra for it because You know, welcome to how we do things you seem to be ignoring the fact that you don't have to pay extra for it in south korea In fact, if you're on kt corp in south korea, you pay less for 5g Because that's a competitive market It's not one wild lawless cowboy Mobile carrier deciding to just flip it switch whenever at once no south korea is very ordered And everyone is launching their 5g service at the same time on friday Yeah, you got your service faster in minnesota and chicago, but it's kind of like you said it's going to cost you Whereas in south korea, you've got some competitions. So they they have to do things to entice you onto their network Yeah, I I mean i'm excited about it. It's like I feel like The nebulous talk of 5g has gone on too long. It's time to actually have a service So let's go. I'm ready god your your point of you know If there's a gaming service that relies on a speed that works Then then it'll be somewhat obvious to everybody like oh, okay, this works right now. The story is still 5g Okay, we have to pay more for it How much better is it really? Well, we're always like that though and tom makes a really good point about You know a competitive market versus one that's less So, you know, how long will we play paying extra for characters used in text messages? and Like that stuff has a has a kind of a diehard and takes a while sort of attitude here in the states but um I mean We always get there. We'll get there one way or the other I kind of do wish that we had things a little bit more like maybe south korea because Clearly paying somebody paying less for their current lte coverage is going to be stoked about this What more speed better service less cost I mean and we will you're absolutely right. We will get there. We we will have t-mobile Maybe t-mobile and sprint will be merged by them We'll have t-mobile sprint at and t in verizon and and a few other regional carriers bringing 5g service There's a bunch of mvno's so well we have some competition here. It's just it's not this orderly Service partly because you know these these companies in the united states are covering a much larger geographical area uh and and and everything but uh In two years 5g service in both of these countries is going to be widespread and available. Yeah, yeah adobe announced it is bringing content aware fill to after effects If you're a photoshop user you might be familiar with this It's been around for a few years now content aware fill fills in deleted objects in a photo with appropriate pixels based on What is around it and after effects it will do the same but with video Motion picture powered by adobe sensei. It's a i platform to fine tune your results You can create a reference frame within photoshop So the two work in conjunction scott i'm curious to know because i know you work with uh creative cloud I'll pull quite a bit probably the most of all of us Uh, is this something you'll use? Well, it'll definitely be something i'll play with whether or not i use it will depend on how many film projects require a lot of Uh editing that would be editing like this So so we talked pre-show or earlier when we had a little bit of a meeting about Use cases and a good one would be this you're making a movie set in the old west and you got a gunfight You have a beautiful vista shot A moving panning shot of the two gunfighters facing off against each other and the editor noticed Shoot one of our vans is sticking out in the scene and is totally visible in the shot And we'd really like that not to go to the final cut. So Let's get rid of that and do it in a way that is visually Unnoticeable like you would never even think twice about there have been there would have been a van there um, so this like smart interpolation of the data Without you having to do much cuts down It's really a big time saving feature because all of those things were possible before It's just they were arduous and more process and just harder to do um That's also how it used to be in photoshop photoshop has a feature like this now like you mentioned From what I saw in the video demonstration of this after effects thing It looks better implemented than the photoshop one So i'm curious if some of this will roll back into photoshop and that'll get easier too But the fact that they're combining the two apps to say, all right, you've got the image It's not quite right. So photoshop's here to do a composite Which means you can take a shot of the area without the van and say well This is what it should be and have that thing be smart enough to say Oh, okay. We see where the fence line ends and where the cloud starts and and all of that and have it fill it in smartly like that Huge for editors Totally enormous jump forward in that regard. And so, uh, I'm excited about it. I think it's going to be cool Yeah, this is definitely a feature that editors already have But yeah, it's the difference between someone being like, oh, I had to paint out that van in the corner for eight hours yesterday Or you know after effects giving me a little button where it did most of it itself Yeah, that's the trick though, right? Because a lot of these kinds of features exist in software to help us shortcut And when they come out, it's often A wow factor at first, but then if you really get into the complexity of the different use cases, you're like, well, this sort of kind of works, but it's not great Or whatever Those just get better over time. I'd be really curious if this one hits the ground As impressively as it looked in that video because if that's if that's a typical case, we're in we're in fat city I mean, that's a really that's a huge time shave Well, it's it's also interesting to note that you're dealing with moving video, right? You're not just dealing with the single plate An image that you can edit and then and you know compose onto something You're compositing if you're composing multiple video images. For example, if I animate A two-dimensional object on top of moving video. I can do things Uh, I can do certain things, but you know if I need to composite out Various elements to make like a clean plate or something It's gonna be a much more arduous process. It's not even like a couple hours It's like several hours Because not only do you have to do each one you have to render it to make sure and go look back at it to make Sure you didn't screw up. Yeah, it has to be perfect and then if this is what they're promising is those 60 frames Of of perspective shifting imagery Can be Healed in this way in a algorithmic way And it works. I mean this just it's it's an enormous time saving some people can focus on Back to the creativity of the product back to the things that matter about the project and not oh my gosh There's a boom mic hanging out in front of those guys talking we have to get that one out of here now And it and it definitely takes something that used to be a rather skillful task I mean you didn't need to be super amazing at after effects, but you had to know what you were doing And it takes it and puts it in the hands of people who might just be starting out Well, and then you get into this sort of like I mean the concept of like, oh that's shopped Like we all know what that means like it was like a shoddy way of like Filtering out something from a photo or making a photo look different I wonder how much something like this is going to you know, raise eyebrows and people who want to be paranoid Yeah, definitely not but just what the closer we get to 8k The more this stuff becomes obvious, right? Yeah, that's true of everyone stuff Good and seven or stuff a little good in the 80s on A screen in a movie theater now looks horrendous because we're looking at it even just 1080p Because makeup looks funny that close up. So yeah, I'll always be that but this is such a huge step in a good direction I think And for those who don't realize it content aware fill is not a person It's no That's my new youtube channel. I will be content aware fill come check it out and subscribe content Researchers at upguard have discovered several instances of facebook user information stored on amazon web servers without restriction Which means anybody who knew to look could find it. It wasn't necessarily found though The data did not come from facebook directly. It was collected by third parties and stored on the aws server So there's a lot of implications of like facebook did this facebook didn't do this This is another example of the old facebook policies Not being good at keeping people protecting your user data I'm not exonerating with facebook when I say that but it wasn't it wasn't a facebook breach For instance, mexico's cultura colectiva improperly stored 540 million records including identification numbers comments reactions and account names from facebook amazon has now closed that database after being alerted By facebook in response to a bloomberg reporter asking facebook about it Another instance from a defunct app called at the pool listed facebook names passwords and email addresses for 22 000 people That one has stopped working in the middle of up guards analysis of it So somebody noticed it the fines are a result of facebook looser policies in the past facebook has now tightened up these policies It is less likely. I'm not going to say it's impossible It's less likely that third parties would be allowed to collect all of this data And then that old looser policy combined with a common practice of storing data on aws without proper security Because someone's either trying to save some time or doesn't realize that that's not a secure server A lot of times that data is never found by anybody until a researcher finds it and tightens it up, which is good But it's still not great for stuff to be out there unencrypted So that's another piece of awareness that needs to get around that if you're storing data Any kind of data whether it's facebook or others on aws if it's sensitive you got to make sure you encrypt it So if you're a small defunct app, let's just say I don't know Three years ago. There was an app. I had and i'm on my phone and the thing pops up and says um Do you want to log in with your with your uh facebook account? I say yes, and it says all right Well, this app's now going to have access to x y and z it gives you all these whatever things Those are the policies we're talking about right because then those things get stuck on some defunct apps aws build That could be what it's from it could also be you are on facebook And at the pool said hey like our page Uh and in the past liking their page might have given them a little bit of access to your data or it may have been Hey, uh, if you like our page, you know, uh connect with us Let us access your data and at some point you let them access that data And then they were able to take it uh, they they did have to get some kind of permission You may not have paid close enough attention to notice it But it could have been through it could have been through facebook login Or it could have been some other on the facebook platform event like what happened with Cambridge Analytica Yeah, it's fascinating stuff. I just I just always Like I have an old aws. That's just sort of sitting there that doesn't do what it used to do I don't have this kind of data on there, of course, but it's got to be just I would hope not tons of these That's what you would say. Yeah This is one that's it's it's not wrong to be frustrated and upset about this But it is important to be upset and frustrated at the right things Which is you know, the fact that facebook let this happen in the past, which they've already done things about There's nothing else they can do now about the past and be frustrated about the fact that aws Is is not used properly by a lot of companies again This was in the past so hopefully companies going forward are using that or at least Investigating to find out if they have these instances and getting rid of them before researchers at upgrade find them That makes sense a study published by the journal plos One or plus one Showed how a machine learning algorithm was used to determine the optimal growing conditions to maximize The volatile compounds that give fresh basil its taste. You're all wondering. Where's the big basil story? I'm glad you stuck around everybody Basil was grown in a hydroponic shipping container in middleton, massachusetts, which controlled temperature light humidity and other factors taste was measured by using gas chroma chromatography And mass spectrometry spectrometry spectra spectrometry To determine yeah all the science things to determine compounds known to provide good flavor that data was then fed back to the ml algorithm So yeah, so I mean you can make jokes about big pesto for sure about this because basil is a little bit of a weird one But I think the reason they picked it is because it's easy to categorize without tasting yourself What makes basil taste better? We have a really good knowledge of oh these compounds are are available in the leaf That means it's going to taste better in anything we cook with it And so that makes it easy to measure and they can find out if this machine learning algorithm is working Really well for us peer reviewed scientific study. It doesn't mean the basil was like the big get It's just it's just makes for a good experiment. Well, and you know, there are Foods that are better in certain regions than others. I'm not totally sure about basil growing Wild in massachusetts, but I'm going to go ahead and guess that it's probably too cold of a climate So the hydroponic thing is like, okay, that makes sense And if we can have food that is more local to more communities of people who want to get something like fresh basil Which is a wonderful little herb Then that makes sense, uh, you know talk to anybody who lives in new york city And they'll tell you like we don't understand why people like avocados so much because the avocados are just bad there Because they have to travel too far and it's just it's just not a good system There are certain foods that you want it to be closer to where the end user or the end eater is going to be That's not new about this the hydroponics part Is yeah, it's not the big thing the big thing is using machine learning to optimize plant yield and flavor Uh, what which still ties into what you're saying, right? If if suddenly it's just like the next step of what Hydroponics to grow avocados that taste really good because you had machine learning optimize the conditions for them Then suddenly new yorkers go. Oh, I get guacamole now. I understand. Yeah, we're limiting our scope here though Because eventually we're all going to have nutrient gruel that will taste however we want it to And this is first steps in that like we want to trap the Nutrient brick that they hand us in line. We want it to taste like fresh basil and here we go Yeah, grant grill. I hope you trademarked that it really sounds good But keep an eye out for uh for commercial farms and multinationals using autonomous greenhouses and using machine learning to optimize Things around farming. This is definitely a growing trend Absolomon Yeah, thumbs up Well folks, let me tell you about the u.s. Department of Justice warning the academy of motion pictures arts and sciences The changing its rules to limit the eligibility of netflix for oscar awards could diminish sales for the excluded films and therefore potentially violate section one of the sherman act that prohibits anti competitive agreements among competitors Steven Spielberg has been advocating to eliminate movies that premiere on streaming too close to their theatrical premieres He thinks that that means they were made for television and we have the emmy's for that That's his argument. Currently a movie just has to have a theatrical run to qualify for the academy awards We talked about this a little bit yesterday on good day internet because it broke after the show or we at least noticed it after the show Uh, and I didn't quite understand then what I understand now, which is the department of justice is saying is trying to argue if you a group of competitors of netflix the academy rule that netflix can't be eligible for awards and because If you accept this next tenet awards help drive revenue for movies that win awards The green book for instance became a much more revenue generating movie after it won the academy award for best picture this year Then you are using your competitive behavior to drive down the revenue of a competitor And that would violate the sherman act that would be anti competitive that would be antitrust It is odd that the doj preemptively took this measure, I suppose But I actually thought they were I thought it was a little really odd yesterday and now that I I walk through this I'm like, I'm not sure if you can show in a court That not with not being eligible for an academy award drives down sales, but it's an interesting thought Yeah, I have a I have a solution to all of this and it's not and nobody likes what I my solution is I don't think yet. Maybe tell me if you think it's right. Let it on. Yeah, they've got this whole thing of like well Spielberg's take is I'm I'm I don't want to go too far out into the larger argument But I but his basic take is yeah, this stuff is made for a television therefore TV and therefore Emmys and if it's in theaters therefore Oscars I think we should just stop making the distinction and just say is it a movie What's that limit? Is it 90 minutes? Is it two hours? Is it that it ends there? And there's no other movie unless there's a sequel later two years later What is an actual film? And that's what you do at the Oscars And anything that qualifies including movies that were made just for tv And I mean regular over-the-air terrestrial tv they can compete in that same space and All the all the biases and things that already exist and making movies get what awards or whatever They will still be there, but we just don't have to have this distinction about where I saw it It should be about the two-hour thing not the venue in which I consumed it right or I don't know I mean Sometimes time can be a little problematic because you could have a really great film. That's I don't know 75 minutes But maybe it's like is it uh, is it is it one? Uh movie in itself like is it like a self-contained thing? Is it episodic? Maybe that's the distinction Episodic though harry potter That's true. I guess there's I I would say that Many films that become episodic aren't necessarily episodic to begin with though. It's just that they made a lot of money Well, so should lord of the rings three not of one best picture because it was the third. No, it was a wonderful movie That was a great movie. I think it was a third in a in a series. All right, right But I but but lord of the rings probably even though is yes based on you know a huge Novel based like probably wasn't Pitched to whoever was paying for it as like we're gonna have four Actually now that I think about it. They probably did pitch it that way. I did but not to the public necessarily It was but we're gonna do a three-part series We're gonna tell the story of lord of the rings in three movies over the next several years It was yeah, assuming the first one succeeds. We'll make the other two is basically how that usually works I shot that all at once. That's my point They didn't get on the success of the first one So that's why we need to not have any of these restrictions. In fact, forget about the time restriction forget about whether there's sequels planned or otherwise Just the academy if it's a thing to watch and it isn't a bingeable tv show Then then you've got your style. I know it's more complicated than that Even if it's bingeable, then it's like some of those are really good. Yeah, maybe it's one giant award Maybe the golden globes had a right the whole time Maybe they're the ones with all the weird categories in the strange TV movie combo. Maybe they know what's up. I don't know the real award is the friend Oh Patagonia let's move on to patagonia not the place but the company says it'll stop creating branded products Through its corporate sales program without certain standards in place. You might say what are we talking about? Well, there seems to have been quite a few at patagonia branded um fleece Overcoats vests, right that that had been seen in certain parts of silicon valley And new york and wall street and like patagonia says that it has shifted its focus to mission-driven companies that prioritize the planet Patagonia is a b corp. That's a business that meets certain environmental and societal and transparency standards And is certified by a private organization. That's what patagonia is as a b corp And that's what patagonia says it wants to uh Have relationships with going forward existing corporate customers will remain in the program though and still be able to order more branded items from patagonia so more vests Then also fewer vests a lot of that is often referred to as a public benefit corporation If you've heard that name that's that's also the kind of thing that a b corp is and so patagonia is staying true to its mission saying look We want people to be wearing our cool vests on wall street when they ring the bell With with companies that we believe in on them. Uh, and if we think a company is doing something that's bad for the world Um, we're not we're not going to make that branded vest for them anymore. So there that'll teach you wall street types I actually I I was not familiar with the patagonia vest Although this story came across one of my kind of networks this morning And a friend of mine who lives in san francisco was like a long national nightmare is over And I was like what why I don't even know about these vests, but it's definitely something where it's it seems very regionally focused, but uh, it uh was sort of starting to run rampant and the company Probably got a little uncomfortable with their message was it's also I mean these are a very high priced maker of of specialized clothing the vester one thing I'm looking at a jacket here. It's like a windbreaker $489 a pair of pants 419 Yeah, it's not cheap. No, I mean But but it's a public benefit corporation. So it's not money-grubbing. It it it is required by its charter Uh to prioritize things like environmental welfare Uh, so bebe master says in the chat room. Will the doj come in and make patagonia do it? No, uh, they are if they're following the law By by by this legal charter this b corp type of of charter to say yes It is actually in a violation of our own company standards Uh to provide these vests Uh, these branded vests to companies that that are in in opposition to our values Yeah, and it to his pointed point earlier the doj stepping into this spilver versus netflix idea or the changing of the rules That's also them doing that. There's the Sherman The act is kind of there's law in place that protects from anti competitive Behavior, and they think this might be one of them. So this isn't just some weird Draconian poke my stick into everybody's business and tell them what to do kind of thing in both cases. I think Anyway, hey folks Do you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes? 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Uh scott was talking in response to This idea that google plus was shutting down We talked a lot about whether or not google shuts down too many of its own projects scott sets The trust that google will keep stadia around is an important one A critical difference between stadia and other google services is monetary While things like inbox or google plus and so on were free And so their demise was more tolerated by their users with stadia Google will be asking for actual serious monetary investment on an ongoing basis Whether it gets sold as a service which over time would result in a substantial yearly cost Or a marketplace where users can buy digital games The blowback should get stadia should stadia get canned after a few years would be massive And I feel that this point is very much on the mind of gamers Google is seriously underestimating the damage that their kill happy legacy has done to their brand And this is going to seriously mute stadia adoption by gamers Who won't want to lay down that sort of money to invest in the gaming service? They cannot trust I do not necessarily agree with the last paragraph that Gamers are They haven't been ripped off yet Right. There's no preemptive ripping off here happening. However, I agree I agree with him that gamers will revolt and so will other aspects of the market The industry itself If google did do like three years of this go, ah, we don't want to do this anymore It didn't do what quite what we thought that means that people have spent 60 bucks on games or a substantial amount of money in subscriptions or whatever their pricing model is going to be I do think that would create a ton of anger now that being said that doesn't also that doesn't automatically mean that That stadia or google doesn't have a way to solve that Through other means here are everybody who bought this game, for example Here is a code to now play it anywhere you want It's just a standard, you know code that works for your console of choice or whatever I'm not saying they will do that. I'm saying those are options. So I don't I don't want to I it's I'm torn on this because I agree with him That that google doesn't necessarily have a track record of let's stick to a thing if it's not immediately successfully financially However, I don't think it's fair for us to preemptively Uh Rage with them when they haven't done anything yet And we got an email from someone who wished to remain anonymous who said I work in the point of sale industry And what really bugs me is that these stories rarely ever name the point of sale systems This is the issue the fact that this affected earls chicken guy Buka, etc is only the management of the software the software has the security flaw And I can tell you we never get security information updates Just apply these patches or you are no longer pc i slash padss compliant He's talking about a lot of these point of sale breach Stories, which we don't really cover all that often at dts But they get a lot of clickbait headlines out there As someone who has been lucky enough to not have been part of a breached company I'd really like to see some transparency from the major players ncr heartland micros, etc in this field The new guys in the hospitality POS industry are very transparent as they use mostly transparent partners and open apis I find them in particular more secure tablet-based p.o.s toast revel, etc antidote and empirically Anecdote he means and empirically okay. I'm done ranting I would like to say however I feel much more informed being a listener long time lister several time caller than my peers in this industry Thank you very much. Thank you anon. Thank you anon. Thank you scott and thank you scott johnson for being on the show today What's been going on and where can people keep up with it? 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Hey I hate stuff like that All right Now we call this show shall it be content aware phil or big pesto I mean, I love big pesto although we didn't really talk about that very much I really like the content aware phil with the name It was almost the title of tms today, but I thought you know what it might go up again later. So let's not take it Patagonia plays it close to the vest Pretty good predicting perfect pesto nice alliteration Mm-hmm Triple p seriously just that place is so expensive I mean great. I love that. It's whatever it is their business model is cool, but I can't buy To like it just never never dies. That's probably true. Yeah I've always liked Patagonia. I have one Patagonia like fleece pullover That's like you can crush it down for travel and stuff. Yeah amazing super warm and I've had it for 15 years Do we feel that Patagonia and north face are kind of on par with each other? Oh, no, I think Patagonia is like Nice or like a tiny not not huge, but I think it's a little All right, all right. I'm just thinking of sort of that outerwear chain thing Yeah, because I would I would put those two in a similar category Stuff you can get over there with content aware phil yes Okay, phil wins continental phil Phil Cap for short I think they should they should make Adobe should make a little virtual assistant named phil. Yeah, they should Hi, I'm into that business finally Crack into the you need a more gendered neutral name Come on. It's 2019 It could be content to wear pauline Still be cap who says a woman can't be named phil or philipa. Just just have it be Very good point Yep Yeah, that's the more gender forward thinking a lady named phil. Hmm. Yeah Phil is gendered neutral in fact like michael bernum on star wars. All right star trek Her star checks. All right. I was like michael bernum on star wars. I blame the day quill Second season's a lot better. Nobody really good second season so good. I love it. I love it It's really good. I can't give away too much. Yeah Favorite part of season two and I don't think this is at all a spoiler Roger You don't understand that people take you seriously All right, I can't say anything or people will get mad no matter what I say Okay, I'll say what it is and this is definitely not one That the guy from hell on wheels is really good as captain pike. I'll say that he is really good. Yeah Yeah No, what I was going to say is there's there's a previously on that is entirely made up of original series scenes Oh, really? Yeah, I haven't been to that one yet previously on star trek and then It's all stuff from the original series. So probably from the cage then Yeah All right, I gotta catch up from here scott. I wouldn't go up there if I were you Oh Right out of any spoiler conversation It'll just upset everybody I thought I would be uh, I can't say too much watch out for the old roger chang plays Prodigy wait, I oh no can't say that Right. I know it's a ball exciting too exciting And you know what they still don't show showers or bathrooms of the future. No Oh wait, that's not true Oh, no, you're right. The first season. What am I thinking of? Hours I've definitely seen sonic showers. Yes. Yeah, but um, where did I see a bathroom? Was it orville? It might have been orville or the orville. That's often easily confused. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's because um, Seth McFarland was also on Enterprise it was on he was he was like, uh, no it was uh, Not enterprise the other one McFarland He was on he had a part role on uh, I thought it was on a voyager. No voyager Yeah, one of those huge star trek fan. Yeah, he was trying to get a star trek show rebooted and when they didn't use his idea or whatever Uh, somebody's but I mean it seems likely that the orville was like, all right fine. I'll do this I maybe star trek. Maybe they were weren't so fond of doing a lot of sight gags maybe I've been I watched the first episode of orville this season and I liked it just as much as last season But I've been kind of saving them They're not They're not must watch for me right now. Oh, I found it here. Roger. I'll put it in the Slack this picture of him and voyager Oh, yeah, yeah, Seth McFarland. He was a starfleet something or other. He was like a engineer or something. Yeah Are you sure that's not enterprise because it looks like enterprise. Yeah, those are Enterprise uniform it says voyager, but that's those aren't but that's not a voyager uniform That's that's pre starfleet. That's pre starfleet Or no here Well, I'm gonna write an angry missive to the Get to the bottom of this Nope, you're right. It's enterprise gosh dang it. You're right You're right. Can the cosmic sails once again show? I was right Being you're right. He was also in gilmore girls I have never watched that show. So is ramy mallack. They talk too fast. It's horrible I know people love it, but it's you either you either like the style or you don't You don't like that that marvelous miss mazel drive you insane Couldn't get through it. Yeah, I mean a word went in show can't even watch it That's McFarland in two episodes of enterprise Once just as an engineer and the other is ensign rivers The engineer with a heart of gold Wait, wasn't that the name of a ship? Oh wait, that was hitchhiker's guide No, that was what was that called the heart of gold? Yeah That's a neil young song Yeah, wasn't it called wasn't the ship called the heart of gold keep me searching for He's getting old yeah, but he was old even back You know what I mean? He's kind of he's kind of in one of those guys who's looked the same for 40 years He's always looked like late 40s Like whenever when I've ever seen pictures photos of them 70s 80s So you're trying to say neil young as a time traveler. Mm-hmm. I think he's timeless. He's timeless And you know hauls angela landsberry. Yeah. Yes. I am traveler She said broomsticks She looks great Same in bed knobs and broomsticks as she does in that murder. She wrote Well, even just in that new mary poppin. She had a little bit part in that toward the end and she looks the same Yeah, it's crazy. I don't get it Disney has a great franchise on its hands if they can kind of Do a bed knobs been broomsticks versus mary poppins Versus versus not like a Like a bed knobs v poppins. Yeah, who's gonna win? Yeah Can we bring shitty shitty bang bang in somehow? Yes. So what it incurs is not only matt magical attributes herbie and dancing Yeah, so it'll be sort of like a talent competition, but they'll make it edgy tom and call it shitty Movies where they just bring in everything, right? We've got we've got shitty shitty bang bang. We've got Something with dick van dyke anything with dick van dyke It'll be great throw it all in there Man, I want the hot lead cold feet too. Yeah, it's the Avengers of the forgotten children's movies. Yep Actually sounds not unlike what harry potter was a little of everything Yeah It was about the type scott harriett, but it's got johnson Yeah Scott harry is a different scott. I know what carrier is the podcaster and He used to do it this american life segments and stuff. You ever heard of scott carrier No, I probably listened to him. He probably has very unique style. Yeah essay style stuff Anyway, he's got furrier the guy who makes mink coats. Definitely No, not carrier lives out here and is based here and almost all his stuff is like weird utah stuff It's awesome. I don't know if that means weird utah stuff like stuff. You don't think of like way down Southern utah in the desert. You'll find some oh cool. He lives in a cave and has been there for 30 years and wait, is that like obi-wan kanobi? kind of He hasn't heard that name in many years. He's just bad. He's a fascinating voice. I like that. He's just that old hermit He's me And full circle I was thinking when we were talking about phil earlier like You know that there are certain gender neutral names in general like chris or jesse Or pats or you know, there's certain names. We're like, oh, yeah, I'd probably know, you know one or the other They're kind of names that are known to go either way A friend of mine who had a baby recently He was keep we knew it was going to be a boy But they were keeping the name under wraps But he was like giving us clues and the only real clue was like, okay It's a gender neutral name, but it's not a weird one So we were like, okay, what is it going to be? It turns out that their son's name is perker And I was my original response was like, well, that's much more of a boy's name But they're not that perker posie Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's definitely falls into that gender neutral category. Right. I don't know about michael's so much, but I'm gonna be named after michael bernum. Maybe not that many but maybe it's a new thing. Yeah Yeah, uh, I don't know is marlowe considered gender neutral marlowe Marlowe's I would think more of a female name. Yeah last name That's that the radio detective guy phil marlowe or whatever his name was Marlowe is a cool name. That's for sure Marlowe like that. I like it with or without a w it always reminds me of cigarettes. Oh, wow Marlowe Merit's a great name no matter what for first name. I've always thought that I've always liked for first name first name. That is cool. I don't know one merit. I know a marriage I uh, I Dated is a strong word, but I hung out with a girl named merit and really if we ever got married. She'd be merit merit. Yeah well It it was too strong for its own good Classmate like that in the college Her first name was kim and she married a korean guy. His last name was kim. So she was kim kim kim. Nice. Yeah That's a kim kim kim. 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