 Hi, so, you know, with the Jingpad, the Steam Deck, and so on, I was actually wondering how do KDPlasma actually perform in touch screen-only environments. So what are we, what we're going to do today, sorry about that, is to do some challenges, some things like the one I gave to my girlfriend in my girlfriend video, some things to do in plasma, and I'm going to see whether it's actually possible to do them only using touch screen. So my computer has a touch screen and I can actually use the 360 degrees hinge to use only the touch screen, as you can see. Now I can't use the keyboard anymore, so let's start with the first one, which is to actually go to a virtual desktop that's not, you know, recording everything I'm doing. So that might be an issue. That may be, okay, in order to get to another virtual desktop, we totally need a virtual desktop widget. Now, in theory, in theory, we should probably add some kind of gestures to touch, to switch between, you know, the various like this to actually open the grid view, but we don't have that yet. So I'm just left, I have to add a widget and I need to add the activity one. Well I cannot type anything because the keyboard touch thing is not working on X11, which is the one that I use, but I mean, I can drag, how the hell do I do that, please, please. Come on, activity page, I want this one, come on, come on. We are off with a good start, I'm just trying, oh, we did it, okay, we want, I don't know, here, it's fine, okay, a bit bigger. Why do, not sorry, activity, wrong one, I need to change virtual desktop, not an activity. No, no, okay, so about that, so let's try to find the desktop one, where is the desktop one? If I could type, can I, ah, come on, okay, so pager, okay, now pager, please, okay, I'm trying, I'm beginning to get, ah, come on, I'm beginning to understand this, so we can actually do this, and we can click on another desktop, so this one is empty. We did it, let's remove everything that I've done wrong, so go away. So now that we've changed the virtual desktop, the next task is to just add something to the taskbar, which should be easy, I can do it in two different ways, they both have to work, so the first one is just dragging it, so like this, come here, not like that, like, so I guess this doesn't, okay, that's pretty bad, no, I didn't want to open it, okay, so apparently holding it doesn't actually trigger any kind of drag and drop, I thought it used to, but I can still click on show in favorite, no, not show in favorite, it is add to panel, but that's going to edit as a widget, so the only way is to drag it to the task manager, that's pretty bad, come on, pin to the task manager, okay, I guess I was taking something that was already on the task manager, now I just have to remove it, so let's see like this, and that triggers it instead of triggering the right click, how to remove this, I can actually drag this one for some reason, cancel, okay, I have a popup that's stuck, I cannot close this, what if I open to make, no, no, okay, so everything is stuck, so we managed to kill plasmashall, and it's only been like three minutes, that's a good job, it's going to be a short video, okay, using the touchpad actually managed to close it, so I guess there's no way to actually remove anything from there, that's nice, if we enter edit mode, that still triggers it, the fact that you can still interact with widgets when you're in edit mode is honestly a bit weird, I would remove that, but I guess that's it, okay, so let's, it's impossible, let's just give up, and let's try to switch to the next one, let's try to disconnect from my Wi-Fi, and then connect back on, this should be easy, I just open up Wi-Fi, and this is my Wi-Fi, I disconnect, and now I'm disconnected, and if I try to connect again, it just works, so that one was easy, that's nice to hear, next step is to change the clock so that it hides the date, so I want to go to the settings of the clock, and in theory I could right click this, sorry, but it doesn't work, so I can do something else, which is to click this button, which in theory should open these settings, let's drag this to the center, information show date, I can just take it off, just like that, looks decent I guess, okay, so next one, update the system, so let's open up discover, I can do it through ear, so something that I know going to be weird about QML applications is that I can drag them from ear, but not from ear, so that's weird, because in theory they are the same top area, but I mean at least you can drag them somehow, and my Wi-Fi is going to be, my Wi-Fi is going pretty slowly, so I'll just skip to the next one, I guess I can just click a button and it will work, so I'll consider this feasible, let's try to switch to another activity, which in theory should be the easiest thing ever, I can just click show activities, which are, and then I don't know, better, looks like it works, so let's go back to default, and that was easy, that was easy, now let's try to change the color scheme, hello, hello, okay, well I do have the color accent, so let's switch to another accent, I'll take purple, and looks pretty easy, I can, well you know, as soon as you get in anything that's kuri gami, it becomes much, much more touchscreen, now this is much nicer to use with a touchscreen, this I can actually use, okay so that's nice, let's try to open up a directory in Dolphin, then creating a new directory, and then I file in it with Kate, so first of all, let's open up Dolphin, oh my, I had forgotten that I still use those CSD hack that makes impossible for a touchscreen to actually, you know, drag anything, but I mean Dolphin is actually usable with touchscreen, so let's just open up some directory, like this one, plus my touch, this is the video I'm doing, and I can create a new folder, again no keyboard, so okay, that looks good, and then a new file, whoops, this one actually feels nice to use, again this is fine, and then I open up with Kate, but say that the default was something else, if I right click, I can do open with anything, so it actually works, and when I'm in Kate, can I paste from my clipboard, can I zoom in, it's a no, and another no, I was pretty sure I could right click at least, but I guess I can't, and given that I cannot paste anything from the clipboard, can I drag it, come on, drag it, please, do I have to like select, all of these controls in the clipboard are only show up on hover, which means that it's literally impossible to click them when you're, that's not what I want to do, come on, like this, so go away, please, okay, can I select stuff here, come on, I should be able to select something, it's text, come on, come on, okay, so even though this is text, I cannot like even move the cursor, it's just Tuck, and I cannot close it either, like this entire popup is frozen and anything inside of it, I can only use this using mouse and keyboard, that's depressing, so what else, can I close this, please, at least, okay, well, I mean at least these things do work nicely, did I mess up the speaker, the microphone volume, sorry about that, okay, that's pretty bad, like I'll be honest, can I access right click from the applications, like if I want to, you know, access recent entries, no I cannot, okay, let me say something here to finish up this video, the touch screen status with plasma is not good for many reasons, the gestures we have are nice and actually there's a patch from Janet that has just improved them, so they're better than before, but you know, they're not good enough yet, and every time you're actually want to do anything in plasma, well, you will meet some legacy code that will be just be impossible to use with the touch screen, and even in plasma itself, many of the things you actually would like to do require to right click, and there's no coherent way to right click anything, now the Kiwin Queen developers, I think, opposed right click by long pressing anything solution, because this was years ago, so maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I think it was mostly due to a technical reasons, be not, it's not very nice to hide some the touch input from applications, basically what you're doing by having Queen registering the long press is hiding touch presses to the applications until they're done, that's not nice, that's not something you'd want to do, which in theory means that we have to add to our applications pretty much right click by holding everywhere, copy pasting almost the same code all over again, that's not a good solution either, and as you could see it's incredibly inconsistent, so the situation is pretty bad, but there's a rather easy way to help us, if you want, oh my god, what has happened to my desktop, never mind, so if you want to help us, you can actually do it, maybe you're looking to contribute something, well this could be a good way to start off, if you go and search, maybe ask me, I'll try my best to help you, if you try to find the patches that were done to enable right click on long press for kickoff, you can actually just take that code and kind of copy paste kind of without the kind of copy paste it into other parts of plasma that would need it, so that would help with right click adaptement, and then you can also give a look on how it's done in Dolphin, and that should be pretty much everything else like Kate, or I don't know Okular I think also needs some touch screen, I don't know if it has right click yet, maybe it does in general though, kuregami applications are good for this, they're always good for touch, so that's why we're writing kuregami applications you know, but plasma itself,