 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, me, Adam, and Justin, for about 27 minutes, have some good conversation. We talk about my adventure at the biohacking convention or seminar with Justin. I had a tough time. I was biting my lip the whole time. Yeah, it was fun. It was good times. We talk about Soylent. It's that shitty company that tries to sell you this shitty product. It's made of people. People forgot about that. Unhealthy. We talk about Aubrey de Grey. He's a longevity expert that unfortunately looks extremely old for his age. Yeah, like a decrepit ZZ top. We talk about who really benefits from biohacking. And then we talk about the similarity between the biohacking community and the muscle building community. There's a lot of parallels. There's a lot of crossover. We also mention our sponsor Organifi. If you go to organifyshop.com and enter the code Mind Pump, you'll get 20% off any of their products. And then we get into the questions. The first question was, should anybody be giving nutritional advice or prepping people for competitions? If they're not registered dietitians. My RD prepped me for stage. Yeah, that's why you lost. Said nobody. Second question was, what are our favorite muscle building meals? Like what do we have as staples when we're trying to pack on the mass? I eat a horse. On our ass. Yeah. The third question was, what is the point that we finally realized that we're actually not lifting weights to impress women? We're trying to impress the dudes. Hey there guy. Is it working? Are you impressed yet? The final question was, what is good posture? How can we develop good posture? And why do most people have terrible posture? We talk about Prime and Prime Pro and that particular one. And also, I want to mention this. We have something called our Super Bundle. 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You just get them all together. It's like using the freeway instead of using all these stupid side roads. That's a great analogy, almost makes sense. So the super bundle, if you're interested in it, go to minepumpmedia.com, enroll in it and get your year started off right. You guys got to fill me in. We all divided and conquered yesterday, which I always love when we do that. You got Justin was over at Halo, Sal was over, Rufflin' Feathers over at the Biohacking Convention and I was on the Dock and Jock podcast. Yeah, so what happened at the... I saw the minepumpmedia Instagram story and you had the Soylent guy up there. You had some doctor up there. Future. Yeah, so what happened? So Taylor belongs to this newsletter called... Hustle. The Hustle. The Hustle. And they put together this event with influencers on the Biohacking space. In the Biohacking space, they call themselves wellness experts. I'm going to tell you something right now. They're not fucking wellness experts. How painful was it to sit there and be silent? So we show up. It's up in San Francisco and it's, first off, great place. We go in super high security to get up to this like office building. Yeah. And we... And it's like... You don't have no control over the elevator, just so you know. You step in and it's like they predetermined where you're going. Yeah, they won't even let you go where you're not going. We got lost. We did. Oh, shit. So you picture what the stereotype of like working in Silicon Valley is like. That's what it looks like. Like you walk in and there's like this big igloo looking thing that people sit in. It's like a hive. I was like, what the hell are you guys doing in there? People skating around and all weird. I'm like, oh shit. We're in like... We're in what people think. Interesting furniture. Yeah. Like the show. Like Legos. Stacking furniture. Like that type of deal. Exactly. So we go in... It was like Hooli. Oh yeah. Totally like Hooli. So we go in there and there's a group of... I don't know. Yeah. They're all... The audience is about 50 people and they're all tech hipsters. Like 20-something, 30-something year old dudes all with like... Wow. Without you even telling me, I can already see what's going on here. So you've got these people that know a little bit more information than some techy nerd kid who plugs in and writes code all day long. And they're smart kids. So they're looking for the advantage. Right. For hacking into harder... Everything performance driven. So you get these people that are calling themselves wellness people that are really marketing and probably selling some shit. Dude, what they're looking... Oh my God, how did you bite your tongue? Oh, bro. So what they're looking for is... It's painful. The questions that these kids are asking where you can tell they want like, tell me the most cutting-edge supplement or thing, one thing I can do that's going to make me like Steve Jobs. How can I squeeze out more hours in my day of productivity? Yeah. But also enjoy... By all means necessary. Enjoy my life and get eight hours of sleep and have great sex and all sorts of stuff. So that's the kind of environment. Nice kids. So we're sitting down and up on the panel was Molly Maloof, who is awesome. So she's going to be great. I want to have her on the show. Yeah. She was spitting some fire. Then there was a dude that... He used to be an engineer, but now calls himself a biohacking wellness expert. Yeah. He's not. No. So his credentials were... I've listened to Dave Asprey for like a year. He writes and talks about ketogenic diets. That's it. And that's the answer to everything according to him. So he's up there. Then the... But he was backpedaling when Molly was fucking shitting on it, which is great. I'll get into that for a second. Totally. In a second. Then the guy next to him was... He used to be the marketing director, if I'm not mistaken, marketing director or one of the founding people of Soylent. Oh, wow. Soylent for the unaware, who we're listening right now, is a company that created this meal replacement powder that engineers would drink and not eat. Yeah. That way they could stay at their desk and just... Of course, everything you need to stay alive. Yeah. They advertise it as like perfect nutrition, perfectly engineered nutrition. So you don't need food. All you do is because, fuck, you know, food is... It's such a hassle. Yeah. It takes so much time to sit down and eat. Chewing food. Yeah. Exactly. I just want to sit here and work and be super creative and microdose acid all day. So anyway, they make this thing that's like perfect nutrition and that's what you drink and that's it. So that's the whole thing behind it. And we've talked about it before. Soylent to me is so ridiculous. If Soylent was a person, I would kick it in the teeth. It's so dumb, right? Yeah. So they're up there and they're answering, they're talking about... I'll explain that to people that are listening that may actually be taking Soylent, thinking that it's a good idea, why it's not a good idea. Well, I'll tell you what I said. So they're up there and they're answering questions about, you know, wellness and performances and that. And Molly keeps saying things like, look, ketogenic diet for some people is excellent. Other people have polymorphisms, which cause blood lipids to go all over the place. It's not for them. She's like, I'm one of those people. When I went keto, my blood lipids were all over the place. I do better on a more plant-based diet, this and that. The keto dude next to her, you can tell already. And he's like, well, how long were you on keto? He's already trying to set himself up. You're probably doing it wrong. Exactly. Like you're doing it wrong. She's like, no, you know, here's the deal. Then the Soylent guy says his spiel about, you know, what Soylent was all about. And then they go back to Molly and she's like, and she's on the panel with them. Remember, she's sitting up there with them. She goes, I gotta be honest, I hate Soylent. She's like, it's horrible. Oh, she straight up said that? Bro, she goes off on it. And I'm just like, and I do this. I'm the only guy in the audience. I do this. Yeah, we start clapping. Yeah. No way. You guys are the only ones clapping. Everyone turn around and look at you. Bro, I was so impressed with her. And I'm literally, I'm feeling my blood pressure rise and my heart beating fast because I'm like, you want to get in. You want to get in on this. Oh yeah. Bad. I want to get in bad, but I don't want to be rude. And I'm like, I need to like, ooh, fight. You want to like jump in. Oh, so then, you know, so then he's, she's like, you know, you shouldn't focus. Like the majority of her nutrition should not be processed food. And then he goes, well, what's, what's the difference? And she's like, well, you should eat food that's like not dead. And he goes, well, what's dead food and what's a life. So he's trying to play some antics. Unfortunately, she wasn't doing a good job saying her point because she could have totally clowned on him, but she was kept saying things that you could tell she was a little apologetic because she's on the panel. Like face to face, you know, so she was trying to be a little soft in her delivery and like make it a little more anecdotal, but like she totally could have roasted him. Yeah. So then they're like, oh, you know, anybody have any questions? So I raise my hand and I stand up. And, and I said, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I said something like, you know, real food is the food that we co-evolved with. And we ate for thousands of years. Processed food is assuming that we fully understand human metabolism. And it's widely understood that the human metabolism besides the brain is the most complex in the universe. That's the second most complex, mammalian metabolism is the second most complex thing that we've observed in the universe. We don't fully understand how it works and to assume that we can process something and invent something and call it perfect nutrition. And this is all you can eat is at best ignorant at worst. It's dangerous. It's dangerous. And what I, and the example that he gave that really fucking pissed me off as he goes, this is before I said any of that. He's like, oh yeah, he goes, I went 30 days on just Soylent and the CEO went 30 days on just Soylent. And he goes, and you know, that's, he goes, that's proof in our concept. And then that's when the first thing I said when I stood up is I said, well, I said, you could go 30 days on just eating peanut butter or no food or just eating hot dogs or eating no food. That's what I said or no food. And I said, so it doesn't prove anything at all. And then I went over and asked Molly a question about food intolerances because I didn't want to just make a statement. I'm going to be an asshole. So like, I got to ask a question. So anyways, after I said that, you know, you could tell people were kind of looking at me and then at the end of it, you can see in the video, there's a dude that's back by, by, by you. And he's just like, who the hell is this guy? This comes from. He was totally out of left field. I loved it. It was like, you know, you could feel the uncomfortableness. Did Taylor catch the footage? I know Taylor was there. He had it on his blog. He caught the whole thing and you could, you know, afterwards a few people came up to me and like, thank me for saying that or whatever. And I got in line. So I want to talk to Molly because she's, she is a doctor. I did some research on her. Taylor knows all about her. She's like a concierge practicing. Yeah. So she's trying to create a new way that we treat people or whatever. And I don't know all the details about it. And hopefully she comes on the show. She said she would and talks about it. But I, but she's abrasive, which I fucking love because then we got up another guy who's like this expert on longevity, Aubrey, Aubrey Gray, Aubrey, is that his name Doug? Aubrey de Grey. They were talking about Aubrey de Grey, how he's this like super expert on longevity. Yeah. And then she piped up and she goes, I'm going to be honest with you. She goes, I don't want to look like him. He looks like he's sick and old. He doesn't look healthy. He's almost on the verge of death. And I'm like, oh shit, I love her. Yeah. She'll just talk shit. Like everybody that revered this guy, right? Yeah. She's just like, I don't want to be like that guy. He doesn't look healthy to me. So I went up afterwards and I introduced myself and she's like, she knew all about us. She knew about mine pump. And she was like, she's like, she's a fan. She's a fan. No way. Really? She listens to us. Oh, he got to have her on the show. I did. I gave her, she gave me her cell number and I already sent the information over to Katrina. She'll be a fun guest. That's Aubrey de Grey. This is the guy they revered. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Right? No way. This is like their, their demigod guy. He's, he's the longevity expert. How old is he though? Is he like 80 something? No. He's really not 80? No, it's like 50. No, hold on. No, he's not. Give me his age. You have to tell me now that you put that picture up. Let me look him up. There's no way that guy's fucking 50. We have to do some digging on this guy for sure. He looks 80. Hold on, hold on. He was born in 19, he's 54 dude. Oh my. Are you kidding me? No, he's 54. Come on. I could find you fit. I could find you a handful of people that are, more than a handful of people that are 50-something years old that have never even worked out and ate right and looked better than that dude. Dude. Wow. Yeah. You know, Doug is 50 years old and Doug looks as young as we do. Oh, what a great, that's what we got to do. Okay, so if, oh my God. Yeah. He's 50? Yeah. So he's. Oh, he looks great. Yeah. He looks just what I want to look like. It looks like ZZ Top. Yeah. No, ZZ Top looks better. Yeah, ZZ Top just looks better. ZZ Top has got like 20 years on them and they look better, dude. They're out still jamming, man. Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a really smart dude. He's got some interesting research, but yeah, she made a good point. So anyway, anyway, dude, it made me realize that the information that people are sharing right now, the most people is so. Well, we're kind of in a bubble. And I think that this was an exercise and I love that Taylor kind of set this up to make us realize that we're a little bit in a bubble like our podcasting circle, like the information that we're constantly receiving or giving out like, you know, it's still pretty much like a little micro environment. Like it's not as expansive as we thought. Well, I'm going to throw something out there that's totally like talking shit right now and I'm going to do it without using names so I don't get us in too much trouble. What if I know who it is? Can I say their name? Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I'll tell you who it's about. It's about Dave Asprey and there's a lot of people out there that like, you know, because this bulletproof is exploding everywhere, right? Juggernot brand. Biohacking and kudos to the brand and what they're doing and there is a lot of great stuff behind that. But I know somebody who does work on him and they say that if this guy is living his brand like he talks, he's not as healthy and as in good condition as he tries to claim. And in fact, he's got a lot of work to do inside internally and stuff. So I know and this is coming from the person who's doing the work on him. So it's not somebody who's hearsay saying, oh, like I heard this or that. No, this is the person who's working on him, helping him out to work through a lot of the issues that he's got. So what's happened is brands like that have exploded and we've now got these little mini pods popping up all over the Silicon Valley where anybody that has a little bit of information and knowledge on the latest and greatest biohack can now throw these little seminars, attach a brand to it and sell to these little engineers. Let me just say one thing. I feel this whole like biohacking thing like came about because of ego, like because of like engineers, scientists, like people within like the Silicon Valley, you know, like CEO kind of realm or like, you know, fitness, whatever. We can like hack our way through this. Like we don't have to do all these like rigorous activities and like really pay attention. I'll tell you something. We don't have to sleep, you know, all these hours. We can hack our way through this. This is what it is. Okay. Biohacking is a term invented by marketers to sell you more fucking shit. It's no different than build muscle, burn fat. You know, this, it's no different. It's just another category. I'll tell you, they've come up with this. I'll tell you right now. If I remember this, I remember when the first time we were heading out to meet Ben Greenfield and I remember I had already dubbed through all of stuff. We hadn't met in person yet and I remember thinking like, I'm going to fucking lay into this dude. But when we met him and I saw the way he lived his life, it's the only reason why I was like, okay, I can respect that. Like this, if there is a guy that has any business messing around with all this stuff, this dude, and I get it. Like he's experimenting. He's like, he's 100% lives his life by like, you know, he is dialed, more dialed than almost anybody I've ever met in my life. So, okay, if someone's going to fuck around with their body and try and hack into little things to get a little bit of a competitive edge and then talk about it, like, I can respect that. But 99% of the population has no business even fucking around with shit like that. Well, he has the baseline already established. Right? Like if you're not sleeping, you're not eating right, you're not doing all these other, your stress levels all over the place, and then you're trying to biohack one thing, like give me this drink that's going to help me do this or give me these new glasses or give me this tool that's going to help that. Like no, like, if you took care of the things that have been around forever that we've known help the human body out, if you take care of those big fucking rocks first, it's triple, 10 times more important to your overall health, strength, building muscle, burning fat, more productivity, all the things that the biohacking community pitches as like, oh, this is what you're doing it for. Like, yeah, okay, if you take that, you know, this one thing that they're pitching and selling, whether it be a supplement, whether it be infrared, whether it be sunglass, fucking blue blockers, whatever it is, if you took somebody who's got everything perfect and then you add that one thing, sure, they might get a competitive edge. The vibe that I was getting to was very reflective of the high performance sports realm because because it's like no different in their arena, like all they care about is productivity, like, you know, your output, like what what you're accomplishing, like business wise, so business to them is their ultimate peak pinnacle, like sport arena. And so now how can we sort of, you know, all this other stuff, how can we figure this out to feed into, you know, this performance mentality. Now, I will say this, and this was very interesting because I'm seeing much more of this. There's this misconception that and every generation does this, that the current younger generation is somehow, you know, fucking things up and whatever, like millennials, here's what I'm learning about millennials. Millennials are very, very interested. They're thirsty for knowledge and the better themselves. There's all kinds of studies to show that right now. It's fucking awesome. And they're also more entrepreneurial minded than many other generations. In fact, it's cool. It's become cool again to talk about being an entrepreneur to when I go to these things, here's all these kids who are working for other companies. They're all employees or whatever. It's a biohacking thing and they're all relating it to entrepreneurship, entrepreneurship. I keep hearing that all the time, which is exciting for me. It's just they're feeding it, you know, these people presenting this information, they're giving them a lot of shit information. Right. Okay. I could just imagine this group and I wasn't there. So I don't know. But you guys can tell me if I'm wrong. But you're looking at this huge group of all these engineers and people that are trying to biohack. And it's like, you know, it's crazy if all of them started lifting weights three times a week, they would see a massive improvement in their overall performance, life, everything. Right. Dude, you just I mean, generating balance. I mean, that's one of those things that we were talking about it. Like how like this disassociation of like peak performance, you know, being outside of balance. No, your body performs its best ones in balance. You know, and like it, that is not a point that any of them are even reiterating. That's right. There are times when you can take your body out of balance to squeeze out more focal performance on a particular thing. Like if you're going to maximize your, you know, your 50-yard dash, or you're going to maximize your bench press, or you're going to maximize your extreme performance when I'm cramming for this test, or I'm cramming this project, or I'm creating this business. You can definitely do that. Overall, however, that is a very short-term process for success. Long-term, it's terrible. It's a terrible way to succeed long-term, because at some point, things start to give, and then you're fucked. You destroy yourself, you reduce performance, you reduce performance in all aspects, not just your fitness or your mental capacity, but everything else. So Justin's absolutely correct. Balance, you will perform better all the time with that in mind. And understanding that means that when I do tip the scale out of balance. How do you navigate back to balance? That's right. Sometimes you do have a deadline, like, oh, shit, we got to cram, guys. We got to work till 2 a.m. today. Okay, I know what I can do to squeeze that out, but now I understand the rest of my body, everything from my hormones to everything else, are going to start to adapt towards that. I got to understand the side effects of that and how do I bring myself back into balance, because what a lot of people get stuck doing is they squeeze something out and they're like, cool, I'm going to do this all time. I'm going to do this all time to squeeze out this extra performance. No, you screw yourself up and you screw yourself royally. But I will say this, you can see signs of low testosterone very, very strongly in this younger generation, especially in this generation. I'm sitting in this room and I'm seeing these dudes and I'm looking at them and I'm thinking exactly what you said, Adam. I'm looking at them going and some of them even brought up. They even brought up testosterone. One of the guys who was talking talked about how, you know, he took a medicine, a prescription because he was losing hair at a young age. Propecia? Yeah, not realizing that. And by the way, his misunderstanding of what it was doing to his body was all over the place. But he was talking about how a lower testosterone actually doesn't. It just messes with dehydrotestosterone. And anyway, but he was talking about having low testosterone and I'm looking at him and I'm looking at all these dudes in the room are really listening like, oh yeah, how do I raise my testosterone? If you fuckers lifted weights, that would do everything that you want. None of these supplements or biohacks are going to do that for you. Well, imagine what just lifting weights does. What it does as far as improving your sleep. What it does as far as improving your hormones. What it does is improving strength. I mean, there's so many benefits that all these guys and girls that are probably listening to these biohackers are going to benefit. And nobody talking about that. We're all talking about a soylent or we're talking about a pill. They're all avoiding that. Yeah, everything else, but resistance training. I didn't realize that you've got these pods like this hot. It makes total sense though, right? You see how huge bulletproof has gone, how massive of a brand it has gone in the short amount of time that we've been around, right? So I mean, bulletproof didn't exist what, eight years ago or whatever. I don't remember when Dave started or whatever. But I mean, when we were trainers, nobody was trying. Nobody was biohacking anything. That wasn't even a thing. That's another thing to say that we haven't involved in science and we're not learning more about the body. And I know I just threw a bunch of random stuff out there like the infrared and the blue blockers. Listen, if you're sitting in front of a computer screen all day, I totally think that's not a bad strategy to have blue blocker glasses on. I think that's but the main point is now we're pushing into soylent. We're pushing into supplementing things like for your hormones and for food that you're not getting because you're not eating properly. You're not exercising. It's like, maybe if I have to be at the computer screen and it's 11 o'clock at night, maybe I throw in my blue blockers, but I also should be training myself that that's not ideal. That's not what I should be doing for my body all the time. If I want good rest, good sleep, I don't want it to affect my hormone levels. If I don't want that, you've got to find better balance. It's a lot of the same kind of feeling like you had a long time ago of like what was trending at the time and like so because even when I took an Uber with Taylor we were sharing a ride with somebody else who was the CEO of this company that was doing some interesting stuff as far as data and retrieving your personal online profile like all your information and all that stuff. Anyway, he was talking our ear off. I bet Taylor could have been one of these fucking kids if it wasn't for finding us, dude. 100%. He was already part of another startup and it's attractive. It's a lot of energy. I enjoy being around the vibe of like all these kids that are like hungry to work and do cool shit and like change the world. That's the cool part and I'll tell you something that I realize seeing this like. For good purpose. What I'm sitting there thinking is we need to do more of that. I'm looking at this group of people that all they did was get this newsletter and they're like, hey, and it was, it was, you know, it was that organized. We should throw, we should throw a biohacking conference that doesn't talk anything about all that shit. Yeah. Exercise, eating natural foods, just flipping on its head. It's all like just the staple thing. Yeah. Flipping on its head. I would. You'll be hella mad. Wait a minute. You guys did really cover, you know, like butter and coffee. Why is this an apple? I get it. What kind of Apple is this? It's a normal Apple. Did you biohack it now? It's just a regular Apple. It just makes me realize that we should do more of that kind of stuff because there's a lot of people hungry for this kind of information, especially in that age group. And I think we can make a huge impact just by like, because I mean, here's the thing, they're smart kids. They're really, really smart kids. For sure. When I made my comment, you could see people's faces light up and go, that makes sense. Oh. You know what I mean? Because I was logical and I explained it the way I explained it. I was going to ask you, did anybody come up to you? I know you went over to talk to Molly. Did anybody else come up? Yeah, I had several people come up to me and be like, dude, that was a really good point you made. And that's a great question. They're smart kids. Like if you present it in a way that's logical and objective, I think they'll listen. I really do. I think you'll win, which is very enlightening. It's awesome. Do you know what's funny? The biohacking community is not much different than the, you know, muscle building and fat loss community that we talked about and what we've been a part of for 20 years. It was the bro science of the biohacking community. Right. No, that's 100%. No, it is. We were like, oh my God. Think about how, there is science to support it. Right. I mean, you can take somebody and you could take them and then they're on a crappy diet. And you put them on Soylent for 30 days. You can show markers of improvement. Sure. Right. So you can, you can build science around all these products to support how it's, it reminds me of the fat loss and muscle building community that we've been a part of for 20 years. It's not much different. Right. It's just, it's actually just poking at different people. You want to know what's funny? Instead of going after and have those insecurities, it's tapping into the people that are plugged in in a computer all day. Yes. Feeding into the dysfunction. It's the fat loss muscle building community of the internet geek world. It is. But you know, it's really funny. Soylent is a meal replacement powder. That's what it is. Right. But they're, but what they did is they advertised and marketed to a group of people that are not interested in building muscle or burn fat. They're only interested in improving their performance at work or their creativity because of that. And because that's such a new market, they dominated that market with a shitty product. And what I mean by that is there's other meal replacements out there that aim towards marketing towards muscle builders and fat burn people who want to lose fat because that market has been around longer and it's more saturated and there's more competition. The meal replacement powders in that area are way better. As a meal replacement, Soylent is shit. The main ingredient is fucking GMO soy and corn. Those are the main ingredients. It's fucking garbage. Just for a meal replacement, it's shit. Forget about the fact that the way they're marketing it is fucking dangerous and horrible. If you compare it as a meal replacement, metrics from the 90s kicks its ass. That's funny. It's all macro-based. It has no quality control. You know what it is? It's proteins, fats, carbs, and then they throw on vitamins. It's all about margins. It's all about margins. They can probably make that cheaper than almost anything else. Of course. And that's what it is. And just push it out. These kids who they're marketing to do not know where the name Soylent comes from. They don't know what that's a throwback to, which is hilarious. It's almost like they played a joke on everybody. Yeah, it's like they're punking them. Yeah. It's like, hey, I bet we can name it this over here. Do you remember Charlton Heston? No. Soylent Green, if you're listening right now and you probably haven't seen that movie unless you're older, Soylent was a movie about this dystopian future where when you got old, they took you into this like, to this paradise. When you got old, you got grinded up old people. But the reality is they took the old people and they killed them and turned them into something called Soylent Green, which was feeding the rest of the population. The rest of the population are eating old people. Yeah. Soylent Green. Soylent. That's what the name Soylent comes from. And they fucking, it's like a joke. It's great. Yeah. It's so ironic. It's a joke. I hope somebody tags the CEO of Soylent. Bring it, dude. Hey, bring it. If you got balls, bring it on the bird, Doug. First up is Fower Fit. Should you be giving nutritional advice or prepping people for competitions if you are not a registered dietitian? This is like a, this is like a yes and no. Totally. Yeah. It's like, I mean, I'm not a registered dietitian and I've given plenty of people information about doing that. Now, I also preface it with that also that listen, I'm not a nutritionist. I'm not a doctor. Right. You know, here's some parameters and I teach that way. But I definitely think that there is a ton of people. In fact, I think there's a majority of the people giving out nutrition advice, have no business. Now, I also want to say that I've actually trained and had a lot of registered dietitians that aren't as savvy as people think they are. I haven't met one yet that impressed me. Yeah. It's not like, it's, and of course, this is an overginalization so I know there's probably a registered in RD that's listening to this right now that I'm totally offending and it's not everybody. I'm sure the ones that listen to our show are awesome. Right. Exactly. They're forward thinking. The registered, so just being a registered dietitian doesn't make you any more qualified to give nutritional advice to a competitor because let's be, let's be honest, competing is not a healthy sport. We all, we've talked about this on the show, so no registered dietitian is actually going to put a diet together for a competitor because you are, you know, you know, you're not going to be able to compete with the boundaries. It's like, there, they're taught for, they're taught to try and feed the body health, which some of them don't even do a great job doing that. So they're not going to go, a registered dietitian is not going to say, okay, Adam, you're getting ready for your pro show and we are going to cut carbohydrates and we're going to manipulate sodium and like, no, they're not going to do any of that stuff and this type of stuff and we used to get into debates at family functions. Oh, wow. Over nutrition, over what's healthy, what's not healthy. My uncle is a Chinese herbalist or he's certified in Chinese medicine. So we used to, three of us would sit there and we would, What a great dynamic. He's giving panel. How long ago was this happening? 15 years ago, you were more broed out. We still have great discussions and debates on nutrition and stuff and it's great because everybody has a different perspective. Totally. Those are like three total different perspectives. But me, so I was definitely wrong early on because I would say things like you need to eat tons of protein, small meals, all stuff and both of them were like saying no and, but as I progressed and I learned more, my message started resonating more, connecting more with my uncle and my aunt was still arguing. She's like, no, a diet needs to be low because dietitians believe because that's what they're taught until her son was stricken with Crohn's disease. Whoa. What a fucking flip that all on a train. Very, very bad. Not only that, but her other daughters got severe food allergies and her husband has, you know, has gone through bouts of really bad gout and other stuff like that. So her son like I said, this is somebody very close to me. I've seen what it does, how difficult it could be and my aunt is extremely intelligent. Very, very intelligent. Like go, like figure things out yourself kind of person. Like she's very tough lady. Like if she's given a challenge, she'll step up to the plate and fucking do it and that's what I love about her the most and so she did that because the treatments for Crohn's are terrible. You go to the, you go to the doctor. Let's give you some supplement, some pills and shit. Well, it's steroids, it's a form of chemotherapy to really hammer your immune system. Damn it really. Yeah, or they'll cut out, you know, parts of your digestive system. I didn't know they use chemotherapy. It's a type of chemotherapy it's got, it increases your risk of other cancers later on and also stuff because what Western medicine is trying to do is to hammer the symptom, which is this rampant inflammation that's going on in your body, which in extreme cases is needed sometimes because if you don't do that then the kid or person will die anyway, right? That kind of stuff. Let me do my research because all the stuff that she understood as a registered dietitian she was doing and he had this terrible reaction. Nothing was helping. So she, nothing she knew based on her education as a dietitian was helping her. So she went online and went on these forums and started reading anecdotes from people with Crohn's and she started reading books on ketogenic dieting on the, on gluten, on GMOs, on, and she started reading all these obscure studies on animals, all these other things that registered dietitians are not taught. She finally decided I'm going to put my son on what's called the carbohydrate specific diet. That had been such a crazy situation for her, especially now that you tell the story because I didn't know this is how this went down because you've told parts of all this stuff before on the show but I didn't realize that all three of you were coming from different perspectives of dinners and talking about stuff then her son gets stricken with Crohn's and now now you're and you're trying you're still trying what you've been taught it's not working you're forced to dig deeper and think try things that you probably don't believe in she rejected she rejected everything that she believed in before she now she's like me and her are on the same exact page now granted I've also evolved since then I've learned things as well but both of us it's awesome I bet she was part of your evolution in a sense because I'm sure you're battling her from the bro side and you're watching or was that later when he was going through his stuff I right around that time or maybe a little before I had my own gut issues happen and then I had a close family member with cancer so I was doing other research on my own but it all pointed to the same stuff so she puts her son on a carbohydrate specific diet which is basically grain free especially no gluten all GMOs are gone all this other stuff and by the way now it's starting to get more credence in western medicine but at the time she was laughed at by her colleagues she was laughed at by the doctors that she would bring this to she would show this to the doctors and the doctors would say to her it's not going to do anything but you can try it if you want it doesn't look like it'll hurt but it's not going to do anything like they laugh at her well he went into complete remission complete remission from doing from following this and it's very very different so my point with the story is there's definitely people who are not registered dietitians who give advice that should not be giving any fucking advice you're right registered dietitians know a lot more than the average person but that doesn't mean that they're going to give you great advice now when it comes to prepping for a competition the dietitians got is no clue they're not going to help you at all no clue when it comes to nutritional advice for the average person or whatever the registered dietitians are going to follow the pyramids the worst institution the worst fucking pyramid ever lots of bought by lots of whole grains reduce your intake of saturated fats increase your intake of mono saturated polyan saturated fats like corn oil soybean oil highly processed damaging fats they're going to say eat a little bit of protein eat a little bit of fat a lot of carbohydrates processed foods are absolutely fine candy sparingly yeah it's their advice isn't excellent either it's based on all that kind of shit now where dietitians do very well is when they're dealing with people who have kidney disease or you know some of these other disorders where you have to be very careful with how you manipulate their diet because organs aren't working properly but otherwise I've had registered dietitians as clients who yeah so have I I've changed their understanding of positions on nutrition and stuff that's why I say that because I mean I've probably had 10 I think in my career my whole career I've probably trained a total of 10 of them and most of them hired me to help them out so and they had a very good understanding of nutrition so it was very easy to talk to them oh I want you to do this for these reasons dude so we have these great conversations because she'll tell me that she'll get these clients that are super obese and her standard of care with people like that is to put them on these uh these liquid the drink oh yeah that's what they're taught they're taught that so again another great point right there is and that was actually so funny you bring that up the first uh R.D. that I did take uh take on worked at Kaiser because remember at San Tristan Cotto we were right across the street so I had a lot that's when I got a lot a lot of nurses a lot of doctors a lot of R.D.s and I actually trained the head girl for uh the whole nutrition plans for these obese people yeah and I remember her like asking me like you know like two million pounds or something like that herself and she was like wanted me to like put her on she wanted to take all the drinks and the bars and I'm like no like no we're not doing that I'm not going to have you do that like that's crazy yeah so she she tells me like we'll have these great conversations well she'll say you know she's like Sal I get these super obese people and what I'm supposed to do is tell them to just go on this liquid diet that's like 1200 calories and she's like and I sit there and she sucks she's like many times we have to put them on the liquid diet because nobody wants to they don't want to listen and she gets very frustrated she gets people who come in who will need a dialysis because she works a lot with with that particular part of the population and these people will do things that are explicitly horrible for them and they'll come in and they'll need to get all this work done and she's like she's like I don't know she has even considered getting out of like you know Sal she goes when you're a personal trainer and insurance companies don't cover personal training people come to you because they want to do what you're telling them she's like I'm getting a lot of people that don't want add a necessity add a necessity they only want to listen what I have to do because they're not paying anything out of it it's just like she's like it's hard enough just to get them to take their pills like just here take this pill that you have to take because your kidney function is so bad have I ever shared on the show that I actually used to help all the you know obese people put them on the shakes and everything like that and I trained the head girl I would get people come over to me and it's funny because I know she used to talk about they wanted me to come over and do talks things like that and that time in my career I had a lot of other stuff going on so I couldn't do this but you know I ended up helping the RD and she got in great shape and she would tell everybody like go see Adam go see Adam so I'd get all these referrals coming over and I would actually get one out of every five or so somebody come in and they're probably 40, 50 pounds overweight and they would hire me to help them get fatter so they could then either one get the surgery or qualify for the program so in order for you to get qualified for the insurance program you have to be X amount of pounds overweight you have to be considered medically obese and I would get people that were right on the borderline of medically obese they would come to me they'd want to hire me to get them fatter so they could do either the surgery or go through the fucking program and the insurance would cover it I was just I was blown away like that's a real thing people are out hiring trainers to get fatter I thought this is fucking crazy I know I actually had a client who was so obese that they had to lose a little bit weight before the doctors would operate on them so this guy comes in this was years ago loses 30 pounds by following my advice and stuff like that and he's like alright thanks I'm gonna go get the surgery I'm like dude you're doing good like what if we just I'm gonna go get my surgery crazy I know crazy next question from Scotland 360 what are your favorite muscle building meals that you have as staples and when you're wanting to pack on mass what are your go to meals you know what's funny and this is gonna sound like a shameless organifi plug right here and I know that the green juice I'm not building a ton of muscle but I will say and you don't have to necessarily take the green juice so this is half a shameless plug this is your favorite the question is your and it's so funny because you wouldn't think that a green juice would have anything really to do with that but I actually can feel my body just like operating better when I'm either one getting my four to six servings of greens every single day and if I'm not getting the four to six I'm making sure I'm taking the green juice at least once or twice a day based off that so my goal always is to get it naturally but I'll be the first to admit that that doesn't happen and in the past I would just be like oh no big deal I'll try and make it up later in the week and try and get more but I could never catch up I would never be able to get four to six in every single day consistently seven days a week and since I've introduced that into my routine it's unbelievable how strong I feel how much energy my energy levels focuses and then that to me affects my training if I feel good I have good sustained energy throughout the day I'm sleeping better I feel better when I wake up I feel more balanced my stomach feels good I have fucking awesome workouts and it's funny because they don't connect something like that to anything to do with muscle building like no one markets it that way but for me personally I'm getting more from that than I did from creatine in the past I'm getting more from that than I did from other like you know your testosterone booster bullshit that I took as a kid like all these things to try and build muscle I feel way better all the nutrients are there now right like my body feels more balanced because my body feels more balanced I feel like I can perform better which in turn helps in that way which is crazy and really it's more of a testament it's less of a testament to you know organifies green juice even though I love it it's more a testament of balancing your diet out is so much more important than any fucking muscle building meal or supplement you could possibly it's funny too it's not like I got this like one dish that's like okay this is the one that is my muscle building dish because the rest of the day is all out of balance and fucked up it's funny too because nobody thinks of vegetables as muscle building right that's why I wanted to point it out what do you do when you want to build mass well first thing I do is I make sure eat more vegetables just way protein there's barely any macros in vegetables what are you talking about but do you guys have like like meals that you tend to go to when you're like I lose my strength and these meals tend to because here's so for me I do have meals that I'll tend to gravitate towards and it's mainly because if I push calories hard with the wrong foods I may start to gain strength but then I'll be unbalanced like Adam's saying because I'll have more inflammation or something or something like that and then I can't I can't eat anymore and get the benefits from it now I'm just feeling like shit and I end up gaining body fat and I don't build muscle so there are meals that I will eat if I want to but my calories that tend to feel good at the same time I have one when I was competing it was staple I every morning had steak, eggs, spinach and a small ball of fruit I started every morning and that's a decent amount of calories oh it's a big I mean it was a big piece of steak it was probably a thousand calorie meal that I would have in the morning time and you feel good and I normally left around noon so by the time that like it fully digested it hit my system I had incredible workouts and it was the staple and I'd still go back to that I'm just you know right now like building muscle and getting on stage is not my number one priority so it's not like this huge and that's a it's like a twenty five dollar fucking breakfast because I go out and eat you know what I'm saying and I did I eat it every single day for a very long time while I was competing so that's a good point because I too don't tend to eat breakfast very often and so just if I'm in more of an anabolic phase and I'm really focusing on muscle building like that's I will now start eating this and I'll do that a little more routinely and so I kind of undulate that based off of my goals and kind of it's an easy way for me to sort of stick with a calorie amount where I'm just slowly increasing that and like adding in more quality food like that but then also like adding stuff like yams and like different types of carbohydrates that all tend to increase the carbohydrate amount as well yeah for me it's so one of my staple meals that just digest well for me definitely can gain muscle off of it and I feel good is white rice and either ground beef or ground lamb and I'll get the ground beef or the ground lamb I'll cook it season it whatever and I'll take the little bit of the grease that comes off of it and I'll pour that in the rice with the meat break up the meat in there mix it all up and it's like this big that was like a staple meal for me for such a and the only difference I had to that was I normally used the ground turkey and the ground onions and I would use I would use the taco seasoning sauce on it and that was like it's delicious it's easy to digest and I when I eat it I can eat a lot of it and feel okay and then there's my extra calories to build the other one that I'll do is buckwheat buckwheat is probably let's see buckwheat and I'd say either sweet potatoes or yams are easily for me the most easy digestible carbohydrate that I can really pack on I can if I overeat other types of carbohydrates they start to bother me I can eat a big ass bowl of so I go to Whole Foods and they have this organic buckwheat cereal so you just you cook it in water like you would cream a weed or whatever and it's like it's so easy to digest I can eat like 80 grams of carbohydrates or 100 grams of carbohydrates in one sitting it's like a consistency like a porridge or like an oatmeal kind of it's almost like grits it's like grits which grits is another one that I can eat a lot of corn because it's never organic but I'll go with the buckwheat I'll eat a big bowl of that in the morning with some other protein or whatever and I don't feel like bloated or whatever you know what I notice is if I and it's funny because we're talking about building mass so when you think about building mass most people are thinking like surplus surplus surplus and to Justin's note about undulating man I always feel amazing so let's say I'm on my training routine and today is and today I I'm not lifting so today I'm going to be like in a super I'm going to put myself in a major deficit or maybe even fast even though I'm trying to build mass because I'm off I'm not lifting today I don't need everything to get after my lift and then the next day the refueling before I go lift that if I do a really good supercharger oh yeah like it's I can feel it's I can feel my body like sucking up all the nutrients I literally can I don't tell when I'm like because I in the past I used to do the bulk like everybody else did where you bulked for three months what about that you feel sluggish and oversaturated feel bogged down yeah like eating a certain meal doesn't ever affect me differently because I'm always your gas tank is all the way filled up all the time that meal just over spills of anything it's not really so I just read a study that shows that when they took a bunch of men and then I believe within two days if I'm not mistaken within two days they had dramatic decreases in insulin sensitivity oh I bet two days I bet so two days of going into like excess calories and just a lot of food their insulin sensitivity already plummeted which means you're not gonna really utilize that food the way you should and you could be causing problems which is why now if I'm bulking I do what like Adam's talking about where I do these mini bulks where I I'll have three days of a surplus overall it's a surplus but I make sure to have those deficit days or a fast and it's just way more effective my body is more sensitive I can feel it I literally can feel the difference coming off of fast and then refueling and my body and ideally I want that like steak and egg and I want a meal like that and for people denying that this makes a difference because I know those people are gonna be like oh insulin sensitivity whatever your cells with insulin when they eat a lot of carbohydrates because they've got this huge insulin load now they're gonna get all these all this glycogen amino acids into their muscle cells and they build a lot of mass from it that is a great point because that speaks to like what I would see all the time because that was very, very popular and within my peers and stuff while competing which I don't recommend was taking insulin was taking insulin and that's why they take it for that exact reason and again you could get some of those same effects if you would just throw a fast in every once in a while or a deficit but most my competitors you're either on the bulk or you're on the cut there's none of this like in between it's either aggressively bulking for three months living in a crazy surplus living in the extreme putting on weight almost every day you know what I'm saying because you're eating eating it's a hack and I've been there I've been there before so I totally understand that thought process and what you're trying really allowed yourself to have a day in a deficit and then went back to pushing you'll feel it you would it's a hack you're increasing insulin sensitivity you're increasing your body sensitivity to protein because there's evidence to show that all this protein all the time your body becomes less efficient at using it so it makes sense on many, many different levels and again for competitors you guys know exactly what that's like one of the most anabolic feelings you could ever have in your entire life with anabolic steroids is the post show muscles that you gain and that was really what finally put it together for me when I realized so mind you think about a guy like me who's competing I'm bulking I'm dieting and for these shows I'm on a consistent amount of steroids I'm taking the same dosage the whole time so there's no fluctuation there the only thing I'm manipulating is nutrition and cardio and weights and things like that and nothing made my body feel more anabolic than the day after a show when I refed my body and I trained it was the best workout I would have all year long and it was it was actually what made me really get excited and really enjoy competing and doing that was that feeling because I had never felt that before I'd taken anabolic before I took anabolic all the way from when I was 20 something years old so I know what that feels like and anybody that has knows like oh man when you take that you can feel it but the feeling of the food trump that it blew my mind it blew my mind what a difference and what it was is you know leading up to a show you're in a huge deficit for quite some time and your body's ultra sensitive to food to the point where I remember in peak week and before that like I and I've told you guys this before I could feel my body I could take I could take in 30 grams of something and I could just feel it go through my body could feel it go into my muscles could feel the energy all of a sudden go up because I was so ultra sensitive because I was so dialed in so getting undertaking from that you know it changed the way I bulked and cut it forever because I understood like whoa like that's crazy like now I'll never do a bulk where I live in this surplus for a long period of time it just doesn't make sense next question is from Hope Granger what was the point that you realized you stopped lifting to impress women and we're lifting to impress a man you know what's you know what's great about this this is look what I'm doing this is funny this is actually a great great question it's a very good question first off personally for me personally I never lifted weights to impress women I had no problem you me both talking to girls it wasn't an issue in fact it was years later that I realized that being you know building muscle from my weights was getting me attention I remember being a I was either a sophomore or a junior in high school it was hot outside we had gone on my shirt and I had a a wife beater underneath and this girl comes up to me and she's like oh my god look at your muscles and then another girl came and they were like touching my arms and I remember being like oh what this is weird I had no intentions of trying to impress girls with my muscles it was all about impressing men and it wasn't because I wanted to date guys or anything like that it was because I felt insecure I felt insecure I wanted to be stronger but I did and the other reason why this is a great question is most people men and women do what we do we think we're doing it for the opposite sex and we are to an extent but a large extent possibly a larger extent is for the same sex and this has to do with women too women criticize women criticize each other way more harshly than a man ever criticize women that's true you ever see women how they criticize each other they're like I want what she has yeah and so a lot of people do this for the same sex and it's not a it has nothing to do with sexual feelings it's just you want to be regarded in a particular way by your what you would consider your peers which happens to be if you're a man other men other women yeah it was funny I remember distinctively when I was just working out my entire focus was to get to the next group we had different classes of strength so like when I was playing football we had you know one class that you know it was guys that were like you know 160 165 and then you had like your 185 and you get the 200s and like you know over 200s kind of group and you know I kind of started out in sort of the the cornerbacks you know those kind of like you know that way class I was more skinny and just over time graduated into the next group to the next group I actually by my junior end of my junior year into my senior year I was working out with all like the strongest linemen and like all these huge you know and that was like what I wanted to accomplish like it was visibly something that I wanted to get into that group because I saw what they're putting up numbers wise and then as a result I'm playing basketball and I have my shirt off and then like yeah same thing or like some cheerleader girls like came over hey you know what have you been doing and they started like petting my abs and my arms I'm like this is weird but awesome but I was like yeah I was like I'll encourage it this isn't horrible so I I have a little bit different experience I went back and forth like so 100% I'm on the same page with the boys that when I when I first started lifting it was definitely an insecurity amongst my peers my other other boys right because I was skinny I was no they were I was made fun of for how skinny I was so definitely motivated by the insecurities of being the same size or bigger than my buddies and and like you guys I remember starting to put size but at that time as a kid what's going through my head isn't that so if I'm being completely honest I'm not thinking like oh I want to I need to be bigger because my buddies are bigger or you know they're making fun of me that's what but I thought like I'm going to do it because the girls are going to want me more when I do it so I was doing it with the intent thinking that I was doing it for the girls when I when I realized that as I continued to get bigger and more muscle and more muscle I wasn't getting any more real attention from what I was when I didn't really lift so I always dated girls I always had girlfriends I never had just like I will say though getting taking myself to a whole another level of fitness where you know then this is getting closer to my like late 20s where I had you know as a kid remember I graduated high school at 163 pounds so I'm six foot two and a half or whatever because I still grew after high school and a hundred I'm a rail and it took me all the way into my mid 20s just to get two pounds then into it now I walk around at 230 so now when I got in the 200s I was shredded the attention from the women that I got then was different than I'd ever experienced in my whole like young childhood so then there became this part of me that did enjoy that piece of it although as a guy you always are comparing you find yourself comparing yourself to other men I don't like man I hope the girls think I look good today you know it's like you're lifting and you can't help but look around in the gym and look at other dudes to this day it's still a habit inside me when I go lift I always know I will always know I don't know I don't see any of the hot chicks Katrina always she always thinks is fascinated by this because she'll ask me which is this this conversation has happened many times with us did you see that one girl she kept walking by you this and that she was doing dead lifts in front of you and like no I didn't see her I didn't see the which is funny right isn't that funny that that's how we we have seriously programmed ourselves that and and now for me it's I admire or respect it if I see another man that is has taken his physique to that level it's not an insecurity thing of me of like wanting to look that way because I've taken my physique to a very extreme level so I don't go like oh man I want to look at that because most of the time I have or been better it's more like I know that guy works hard a lot of work in to be that way so there's like this admirable respect for it so yeah I definitely think that we were driven originally from that I've felt it from the women it feels good I've shared on this podcast before the feeling of being completely shredded I'll tell you what if you're a guy and you're listening will being fit attract more women yeah but it's not going to come anywhere close I mean we always talk about big rocks like it ain't going to come anywhere close like charming and charismatic oh and communicate exactly I have so many examples of experiences where I would go hang out with a buddy of mine who was shredded and handsome who had terrible terrible game terrible game and would get no attention and then I've got buddies who are they're leeches man they're my game I have buddies who are outright unattractive not fit and we'd go in a room and it was like within five minutes these dudes were like Hugh Hefner and I've seen that so many times it made me realize like you definitely want to be healthy you don't want to be super unhealthy looking but if you're kind of healthy if you look normal but you've got you know how to communicate and you've got charisma that's it right there 100% this is why too though I think that you know I think adversity and I think people that go through these tough times and like if I could talk to a kid who's even early 20s that is struggling with like this body image issues and stuff like that and thinking and letting that get caught up it's like listen your ability to be confident communicate regardless of that will trump what you could turn your body into for sure I mean as a high schooler I was again 163 pounds my two front teeth like I people don't know this I had braces after I left high school and they were completely turned in crooked front my two front teeth were completely turned in so I fucked up teeth okay skinny as fuck you could see my rib cage I drove around a three time hand me down piece of shit you know vehicle to work the Honda Civic I had the same thing but I the razor mobiles and I for three or two and a half years of my high school career I dated the hottest chicken in school hands down the prom queen the head cheerleader like that was my girlfriend and I remember like what the fuck is she doing with me but I had personality because I had all that stuff against me I couldn't change that I couldn't I could my parents couldn't afford braces so I was fucked up teeth I got them you know say like I had a car that got me to and from so it's like it's better than walking so I I owned it and I owned that character and that personality and of course I got teased and of course I got made fun of and all those things happened but it built kids are going through things like that they you know you go home and you cry and you feel so sorry for yourself about that but it's like you have no idea that if you can if you can be strong if you can make it turn that on its head you can and when you learn to do that those characteristics will carry over into your adulthood and you'll surpass everybody in fact sometimes sometimes many times being super buffed works against you oh every kid that was every kid that was popular he looked great cause he was he was a little more mature he hit puberty in like seventh grade and so he was like kinda looking like he had a beard already in high school like 100% that kid got a ton of attention in high school and quarter star quarterback all of the at least in my experience all of those dudes totally different position now in life oh my god well it's totally different 100% a test of that 100% right that's it but it's not only that but you ever go to the club and you see he's off in his shirt but he's like obviously standing there posturing cause he's super insecure about himself and he's just kinda looking around like hey why aren't girls coming to talk to me and nobody wants to talk to them because they're either they come across intimidating or weird or they just insecure I wonder if that's still the case now like is there like the buff guy of course there is that's like it's all the attention dude high school hasn't changed very much I don't know man I have a lot of attention I'm just like what it's like who could be the most weird and eclectic you know like oh well I'm so sensitive well that is a good point girl the hipster thing is much cooler now right so that the skinny and the beard it might have like yeah there might have been a shift there but I'm sure it'll come back you know everything comes back full circle yeah you're right next question is from Sammy Junae what is good posture how can we develop good posture and why do most people have terrible posture in the middle of seeing this get worse right now we're creating this oh my god I see for the first time in my life a majority of children have terrible posture isn't it great that was never the case do you guys I don't know how much this is definitely like after I read that book irresistible like they kind of get into this and I remember like after reading that like I really started like because I don't really pay attention to the 17 year old to 22 year old kids that are walking anybody really but it made me kind of be like man I wonder are they worse than what we were and I started looking at all you can see the rounded shoulders and the forward head really bad really bad and stuff now I'm used to seeing that as a trainer my whole career right but I normally see that on somebody who's like 40 45 engineers work to computers sit at desk all day long well now you have the phone yeah that's what I'm saying the phone when you look at somebody walking get their posture while they're doing it and think about how and then you think that we are picking up our phone on average 55 times a day and we're spending over two and a half hours on it it's like it's own mini gravity just like pulling them towards it dude poor posture you're usually not born with it of course unless you have some kind of you know deformality or genetic issue but for the most part you're not born with it poor posture is developed you develop because you never saw what I will say in defense of that there are some people and it runs in my family like all of our spines are a little bit different so I know somebody out there right now is going like that's not true I was diagnosed with this really early there's certain people that are born with a structure that is less advantageous than others right and that's why we have some people that are more athletic they just their structure is better than others so yes there are structures out there it looks a little different from person to person because there are differences between individuals the other thing too and this is going to be controversial is does diet play a role in poor posture there's some evidence to suggest that it does there's some evidence to suggest that grain heavy diets can cause well increased instances of needing braces increased instances of you know changes in people's postures and bone development well why wouldn't it affect your mood and your mood will absolutely affect your posture that's one way and they've got studies to prove that and back that up that's one way you would think that if somebody is eating poor and not feeling good and then in turn affects their mood and if they're depressed or not and then that affects their posture good posture if you were to define good posture you'd have to look at the entire body it is a snapshot here's the other thing by the way if you have good standing posture if you're standing there you can have what looks like good posture because you practice good posture but then when the person goes to move and do things like a squat or a lunge or twist or run or walk or whatever now they've got poor recruitment pattern so I want to be clear it's just one thing for example as a trainer it's one thing I look at but there's a lot of things that I look at well there's less favorable patterns that we notice like that to address to see if this will eliminate a lot of the dysfunction the tightness the imbalances that create interruptions in the kinetic chain where it's like you know where the weak links are but it's not always a case because people can really overcompensate for what they've been doing pattern wise and you see this in athletics all the time you see people that just hone in on this body and stabilizing their spine good posture is effortless effortless meaning you're going to stand there things are imbalanced head is on top of your shoulders your feet are active you know your knees are soft you know hips are where they should be you don't have an excessive tilt with your pelvis you know your shoulders aren't forward they're kind of balanced but it's effortless good posture shouldn't be something you think about consciously trying to stand right the scary part is that you know a lot of the younger generation right now that is developing really poor posture early on they're not getting the signals yet that are letting them know how bad it is because the aches and pains haven't really set in they're so young their bodies can handle it right now they haven't been putting stress on it for 20 30 years of life like oh I have neck pain I have low back pain yet but it's going to be interesting to see that you're actually seeing you're actually seeing a rise in children with back pain neck pain shoulder pain that's crazy you are seeing it which you know kids never went to the doctor for back pain unless they hurt their back doing something but now you've got kids complaining of back pain chronic back pain because of their posture well I told you guys this one really really bothered me like how do I handle this because Katrina's brother his son he couldn't even he's only let's see here he's 10 right now 9 or 10 and he couldn't sit down in a in a full squat he'd sit down he was trying to like I was playing around with my little niece who's even younger and trying to teach her how to balance on one leg in a pistol squat position and she was kind of like mimicking and we're having fun and he saw it and he came over and he came running over and he just when he went down in that position his heels came off the ground like 3 inches and in order for him to sit in that position he couldn't sit back on his heels and I was like whoa this kid's only 10 years old already and he's losing connection it was like the first kind of like whoa moment for me that you're seeing this happen at that young of an age where you're losing something that's so functional and so basic and then that's and what you see when you see something like that that's the kid who in finds my pump finds maps and then goes I can't squat you know I can't squat what can I do instead of squatting because squatting hurts my back and it's too hard for me to do it hurts my knees and they were just unaware they didn't have these abilities right you know they've just gone through yeah he doesn't know that yeah he doesn't he like I didn't say and that was what what I struggled with is like is it my place to say something or do something or help him like and I remember telling Katrina that like man like what do I that's why you know kinesthetic learning in the human body like it needs it's a language like moving in movement in itself is a language that you constantly need to be communicating with oh that's a great fucking line it's just you know it's just like one of those things that people like completely disregard that this is something that is is learned and needs to like keep you know part of the education process it is not all cognitive what a brilliant line movement is is a language that you need to practice that's brilliant it is and I'm glad I came up with it you know every time I don't know how you guys have been or not but you know I stay in contact with a lot of people especially people that I used to train for a very long time and so and a lot of them still listen to the show so shout out to all my favorite clients that still tune in but I have all of them on either Prime Pro or Prime and much of their training is actually that even more than it is lifting weights because much of the clients that I've dealt with most of my career yeah they wanted to lose 15 or 20 pounds or build a little bit of muscle all of them just wanted to feel fucking better and it's really changed how I coach and teach people it's like you know what I can teach you to build some muscle I can teach you to burn some fat right now but that's not necessarily going to get rid of that low back pain that shoulder issue that neck issue that knee issue that you have going on that's really the poor connection that you have and let me show you the things that you should be doing so this now and so I talk to all of them that their priority is to live in Prime and Prime Pro and then when you have more time and you want to accelerate your goals and you want to get that extra five pounds of muscle or lose 15 pounds of fat then we move into all the other programming but this is I mean that was why we were all so excited about Prime and Prime Pro as being so revolutionary because they are really positioning themselves this way and you know we all knew we all knew that how important it was for even the regular clients it's going to become necessary for this generation coming up that they will have to implement habits like this because the stuff they do you didn't have to think about it before that really because you know recess and you know more jobs had had more activity involved with you know it's funny it is crucial now so while we're talking about this I'm looking up trying to find statistics and on the back pain you know neck pain rise because it's been it's already been talked about and the funny thing is I find these articles about you know and they acknowledge like back pain and neck pain are on the rise their kids going to the doctor for those things are on the rise and they used to be non-existent to the point where in the past if your kid complained of back pain to the doctor because it could mean something bad could mean something wrong with their kidneys or you know meningitis or something like that but now they're seeing the pain more often that doesn't mean those things and you know what they're saying is causing it what they're saying posture no backpacks like can you fucking believe which is not that's not what's causing it because we all were backpacks well here's but it's like it is right it is though what a great fucking point right there that is the same thing that people that they want to address the root exactly the same problem when people hurt their back or have their squatting bothers them it's because they're loading a bad posture and then trying to squat you can get away with it a lot of times with unloaded situations once you add that like extra resistance to a bad recruitment and then of course they blame the squat they blame the squat or the backpack exactly that's what I meant everybody blames the squat I don't know if you guys saw Joe Johanna's post the other day he reposted not riptoe who was it fucking other who was the guy who's is all by all unilateral stuff for his athletes oh yeah Mike Boyle Mike Boyle so Mike he posted yeah he reposted a thing about Mike Boyle and saying that you know squat he doesn't think that squatting is necessary and some people have different femur lengths and I kind of responded like well you know I've got people from squatting you know sure it may sure I have long femurs and I know and I can totally attest to because of that squatting was more difficult for me but it required more work it required more I needed way more ankle mobility than the average person because of how long my femurs are so yeah okay you could have longer and that's where genetics do play a role and structure does make it more or less challenging for certain people it doesn't mean you eliminate the block so yeah the backpack and the loaded squat and blaming backpacks or squatting well it's not the movement and I know Dr. Brink has been on here multiple times and always like it's not the squat that's hurting you right it's you it's you and you're you know not going through the prerequisites to perform the squat correctly and have that kind of communication established so if that's if you're somebody that's like that because that is that is a heavy motivator for us on why we created that program and it was created with Dr. Brink so if you're if you are somebody who's limited from squatting it bothers your back and so you've avoided for a long time stop avoiding it and what I say stop avoid it doesn't mean just go squat it means go address the issues and that's how we designed Prime Pro was to address what movements you should be doing that was the whole idea of the program perfect and a lot of these movements can be found on our YouTube channel for free so if you're not subscribed to our YouTube channel get over there right now Mind Pump TV we post a new video every single day also if you go to our site mindpumpmedia.com we have 30 days of coaching phenomenal information it's absolutely for free it's for anybody just register to build and shape your body 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