 Good afternoon. I call this meeting to order. Welcome to the March 4, 2024 meeting of the Arts and Public Places Committee. Crystal, would you take roll, please? Yes, thank you. Committee Member Azadine, Ms. Upsett, Committee Member Faulkner, here. Committee Member Nathanson, Ms. Upsett, and Committee Member Puentes, here. Present. And Committee Member Steward, a Vice-Chairkeeper. Present. And Chair Bunkerner. Present. I let the record reflect that all committee members are present with the exception of Nathup, Committee Member Azadine, and Nathanson and Steward. Well, we're going to start with public comments. This is a time when any person who is visiting from the public would like to make a statement or a question that is outside the agenda that we're looking at later today. You will be called on for comment on those specific agenda items when they come, but you are allowed three minutes. If there's anyone that would like to public comment, I call on them now. Nope, I'm not going to get this. I'm not going to get this. I'm going to listen. Okay, sounds good. Great. Well, seeing that there's no hands raised, we'll move on to committee discussion. In order, wait, I'm sorry, I screwed. So, we'll move to the minutes, right? No, I just have the one who sent me, but I had to give us back to back. We're looking at minutes. One set of minutes has been distributed for review. Are there any additions or corrections to the minutes? That was from the November 6th meeting back in the last year. If none, then the minutes are approved as submitted. And we'll now move on to scheduled items. We're moving first to 5.1, the Fifth Street parking garage mural project, common ground, and Chad Hedge with Santa Rosa parking will present the art proposal for a community improvement and art project inside the Fifth Street parking garage. The parking department has approved the improvement project and location for the public art. The recommended action is approval of the artwork design. So we can start with the recommendations. Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Chad Hedge and I'm the parking division manager here at the City of Santa Rosa. With me today, I have Larkin O'Leary, who's the CEO and co-founder of Common Ground Society. And then I know her first name, Simone Bernard. She's also with Common Ground Society. She's an AmeriCorps member working with that group. So I'm going to give you a little bit of a history of how I got here today and then I'm going to let Larkin and Simone kind of talk about their group. But in the past year, six months or so, I've been trying to put a lot of focus into garage, the friendliness, the warmness of our garages. And that includes additional staff going through patrol and answering questions, helping people in the garages increase in lighting. And next, we're kind of working on more community-based art projects that hopefully we can work through with different nonprofit groups throughout Santa Rosa. I've met quite a few people in the past few months through the different organizations. So Santa Rosa, the County Museum folks, Larkin and her folks. And the idea that we have is to do a mural in garage three, you can talk about this, which is on 3rd Street. So garage three is the garage that's just behind the Russian River lot, a parking lot right there. So before I talk about how we're going to get this done, maybe I'll let Larkin and Simone talk about how important their group is. Sure. So we're a local nonprofit. I never intended to found a nonprofit. But there was just a great need in our community. So we do two things. I'm local born and raised Sonoma County, Santa Rosa. I was a teacher for almost, I've been a teacher for almost 20 years and about 10 years ago, I had a son who was born with Down syndrome, hearing loss and just a lot of medical issues. I ended up having to resign my teaching position. But what happened because of all of that was this group that was formed started with 30 people who had kids with any sort of disability, medical complexity, any sort of unique need. We now are at over 1000 at 1019. So I was asked this morning how many are in the group, local Sonoma County families who don't fit the mold of, you know, your typical experience having a child with any sort of unique need. And so we come together, what started as donuts and discussion, we now have 10 different touch points each month. Family meetups, which this would probably be one of our family meetups, bringing people in Latinx family meetups. We do targeted meetups for our moms, our dads, our siblings, anyone who is part of this community, reminding them that there is a place that they belong, just as they are. We also, I believe that our disability community is never going to fully be accepted and supported unless we understand how to support them and what I've been learning from my son. So we do presentations in the community. What started as a simple presentation to my son's preschool, press Democrat came, all my teacher friends, they came and exploited me and they made me go in their classrooms. And from that, we started doing whole school assemblies. And since then we've hit over 65,000 students in Sonoma, Napa, Marin. We've been flowing up to we're going up to Oregon. We've been, we're going down to San Diego on Wednesday. They've named a conference after our nonprofit. It's called Be the One, which is one of our tag lines. Just reminding people to just say hi and follow their lead, right? We don't have, we're, as humans, scared of what we don't know and don't understand. And so we give people the tools to be able to push past those feelings that discomfort and fear and just say hi. And that's all we do. That's all we do. So yeah. So everything that or was that everything? That's everything. Okay. So as part of the group, so Larkin and I both are in Leadership Santa Rosa, right? So in one of our meetings we're having, I've met a lot of amazing people and we're all talking about different ideas we can make downtown or railroad square more inviting, more family friendly. And then she started talking about her group. And this, I think anybody who just heard her explanation of her group, and she talked about how hard it is for her group specifically to find a space where they can just have fun with art and not have to worry about anything. And then of course, the first thing I thought was, I got a giant concrete structure that nobody can hurt no matter what they do. So this is very, very small. And I'm coming, I'm coming to the committee today just to kind of pitch my idea and kind of point out why I think it'd be great for her group and the community. But also the big picture, if this works, which I'm pretty certain it will, the things I can do going forward with all my other, I've got five garages and seven lots that could be, could be prettier. There are murals already designed in different structures and they're all amazing. I just kind of want to do more, maybe have rotating art, maybe have rotating exhibits, maybe have lighting and coordinating with the different months, just kind of be a community space as opposed to just a parking space. So what we came up with, if you want to go to the next slide, so this once again, this is the fifth street garage, garage three. So the wall you're looking at right now is, if I'm standing on, if I'm standing on third street and I'm looking at the garage, it's the west, the west facing wall. It's a little half wall right there. We have nothing on the wall right now except white paint. So the idea is that we could let, we have the ability with my staff that we can kind of close off the section of that garage on the entrance. They'd have free reign and be safe. There'd be nothing for anybody to worry about. They can just kind of have a day doing our project there. And then that was the actual design that Common Ground Society came up with, the hello belonging in the bubble letters. And then there's more, correct? Our tagline is it starts with hello and is with belonging. The great thing I think about this is it's not a giant mural. It's not something that's going to take days or weeks or months even completely. It's going to be something that these folks, this group can take a lot of pride in. They can see it. We came up with the discussion together, Common Ground Society and parking. We can kind of help maintain it because there's a tendency for things to be tagged in the garages, which happens anywhere and everywhere. And then it's a safe space and anytime somebody comes in, they'll see something. So to me, it was just something small we can kind of address quickly. Common Ground Society is going to fund the project as far as paint brushes and things like that. And then my staff would just maybe do a little bit of pre-work, set up some barricades and cones and assist during the day of the painting. So I think that's all we have. And then in the inside of the hello, what our plan was to have our community come out, because we don't just do like we have meetups that are full community meetups where we want people who have neurotypical children to bring their kids to play with our kids that have disabilities so that we can go to a park and people aren't staring at us. So we can like it'd be part of our community. And so in the hello, we would have people putting their handprints in the hello for hi. And then in the belonging, we would have people writing words or drawing little pictures of what belonging means to them. And so much like, and that's why we showed the picture of the quilts. That was sort of the same thing we did for our one year, be the one anniversary. We gave each person a quilt square and they decorated it and we put it together. And it's this most beautiful quilt and I couldn't wait to have an office to hang it in. And now we do. So that's exciting too. Yeah, so we chose that location. Bella and I visited Chad one afternoon. We toured a couple different garages. We chose this area, one for accessibility. We wanted it to be flat ground, open space for mobility challenged folks, as well as well lit. We didn't want a huge wall area because this is our first time doing a mural project like this. So we wanted to kind of just do a smaller area, especially lower to the ground for those who are smaller. And we thought this was just the best area to be able to corner off and not be too much in the way and disrupt traffic. I think I think any last thing I'd like to add is, and I think I've said already, but I have to say it one more time, this is just a small, a small thing that I think we can accomplish now with a very small lift and incorporate some of these community groups. Assuming it's going to work out just fine. If the approval is given, I think that it can open the door to show how simple it could be to build these relationships with these organizations, do little small art projects like this, make an impact on the garage and just like with her group or anybody else, they'll come downtown. They'll see this on the garage. They'll feel like they're part of it. They'll want to spend more time downtown. They'll want to walk around and spend more time. And I think it's a small thing we can do to kind of set us in the right direction. Yeah. Our community would love to visit it as well. Yeah. And then I spoke with different groups about the other ideas I have coming up. So this is just the first one. So thank you all for listening to me and thank you both for coming in here. Thanks for having us. Good. Thanks for presenting. Yeah. This is a time for questions, not comments, not reflections, but questions to them for the committee. You guys want to ask any questions? Yeah, my question was regarding the letters you were stating that you were going to place text and probably handprints, graphics or something within those letters. I mean, they don't seem that big. I'm just curious to know like, for instance, the H, what is the width of one side of the H to be placing? It doesn't seem that big to hold that handprint and text that would be readable unless you were a foot away from it. Yeah. So this was just a rough mock-up that we have definitely with, you know, talking to people and more input, we can change just the font itself. The way I was thinking about putting this font up there is projecting it from a projector that we have at the office and then tracing with chalk at first just to get a layout and then painting over it just to make clean lines. And so it was just a rough mock-up just to get an idea of spacing. So definitely moving forward with more drafts that I will look into the width and just making sure that things can fit inside of the letters. So thank you. Okay. The wall itself is about hip height for me, and their letters will go from the top to the bottom. So they'll be a lot bigger in real life than what they look on that screen. Okay. Good question? Hi, I'm Jeff Nathanson from the Museum. Hi. Have you looked at other public art text projects just to get a sense of what artists have done around the Bay Area? Because I'm familiar with quite a few of them. So have you looked at them just to, you know, in terms of looking at font and impact and things like that? Yeah. I've been doing some research in the past few weeks just to see what's out there and just comparing and contrasting of what we can do differently or the same as well. Yeah. Great. Question. How are the cars interacting with this space? Like if I went in with my family to see it, would there be cars parked in front of it? So, yes. So it's kind of hard to see, but if you look farther off to your right, that's actually the entrance of the garage. Okay. Majority of the parking in this area that you see right here is ADA spaces. Okay. So majority of the time, right, majority of the time those spaces are empty because folks want to go to the first or for the second floor and they also want to be close to the elevator. Okay. That's really helpful. I would think it'd be sort of sad if you couldn't see it. Yeah. That was one of our main concerns. Yeah. That totally makes sense. Yeah. I love your concept of the hello and belonging and I am curious if there's going to be something that's going to maybe bring more attention to your idea because I don't not sure that if I saw hello, belonging, I would get it. Sure. Is there going to be something that's going to say maybe common ground or a little? Yeah. I think on the corner there, there's a picture. Yeah. So it's hard to see in this mock up. I didn't want it at the end after belonging. I didn't want to take up too much space. I wanted the emphasis to be hello belonging and then as you got closer, you see more detail. But at the end of it, it'll say painted by families of common ground society as well as have a QR code on our website. Great. Because I would love for people to get the concept. Absolutely. Say hello. It's okay to say hello. It's a good thing to say hello and... Yeah. We definitely wanted community members to be able to see and be like, oh, who painted this and be able to look us up. And especially if they didn't know who we are and they needed our support, they can find us easily. Right. Great. Great. So I heard that you toured around a couple garages and picked this location. What was your criteria or what helped you make a decision on this location? Yeah. So we toured a couple. I definitely liked the lighting in this one was best. I just felt like it would be easiest to see in there as well as flat surface as well as I thought it would be easiest to just corner this off so that we can have a safe space for our community because we have members of all sorts of unique needs and we didn't want to have people feel like they couldn't participate on certain. We didn't want it to be slanted and as well as have ADA parking nearby for those who needed it. Nice. I wanted to ask too like, are you chat? Yes. Yeah. You're part of the city, right? You said my garage but you're talking like you're in charge of this. Yes. Yes. So make sure that that's your thing. Do you have any bandwidth or ability to circulate images of this completed you know to the community? Can you get will you have people that will be able to you know get it larger so people know what's happening here? Yes. Yes. So we have the ability internally to post these pictures on the parking website which is the task the city's website. We can work with Sierra who could also get that stuff out. I'm assuming that a lot of the different organizations downtown would probably want to post some of these pictures as well. We have a fairly large social media following. We don't want this to be done in a vacuum. We want to post and have them brag about this as much as they possibly. Right. So I'm saying you have ownership in that even the whole project because I see you like this is the beginning and you're going to move on so you yeah you could you'd be open to ideas about like making postcards or things that you know that would start generating a public and a community response. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I think one thing to mention is that the reason I'm so excited about this project and think that it's a really good start is because of the low cost to do all this stuff that with with materials or relationships we already have. I think it can definitely open up the doors to other things within our our facilities in our garages but me my staff and Larkin and herself we're going to we're going to push this as much we can to brag about it. Yeah. I like to brag. It's really great. Another question I had was was there any thought to use kind of more vertical pillars that you have here instead of the horizontal like you said the hip height. I was just thinking that the vertical pillars might have more opportunity for down. Yeah. If you're able to put like more hand prints up there that could again point people in the direction to say that there is artwork down here. Like it starts with it starts with right there and then hello on the big pillar and ends with just a color just a color and hand print. Yeah. Something to connect it or just so that there's more attention to this area. I just don't. Yeah. If there are cars parked there I would be concerned about not being able to see it. Yeah. I wonder if there was any idea that you guys thought of. To be honest with you I just wanted to present it to the committee and if the committee says we like it we'll adjust our design in any way that that fence. There's no reason why we didn't include those those pillars as far as parking is concerned. I don't know if you guys didn't include a per safety concern but no I was mainly focusing on the wall and so I think that's a great idea to incorporate incorporate that as well. We're open. Any more questions. Any. I know I asked for public comment is it's only in person right. There's no zooming. Yeah. Any comments. Sorry to put you on the spot. Not participating. Okay. Given that there's none we're going to move on to any more discussion about this amongst ourselves or anything else anyone would want to say or. I think it's great Chad that you wanted to do this for parking garage. You know add light and color and because I personally as a woman find parking garages people one of the creepiest places to go to by myself. So I applaud your efforts. Yeah. Thank you. Reach out to me anytime we'll see what you talk about so you don't feel creepy in the garage. I would also like to echo Debel's comment. I often park in parking garages because of the security and knowing that there's lit you know that they are lit and that it's a safe place for me to walk to. I used to live in Tacoma Washington and know that there was a great opportunity for the city's parking garages to partner with local artists and so I'm very happy to see more of this happening in Santa Rosa. So I applaud you for having an open vision about this and I would love to pass on some things that I found was very engaging about that community. Yeah please. There was a yeah great opportunity for rotating artwork so I hope that you guys stay nimble and open to new ideas. Yeah perfect thank you. Yeah yeah I think this is great too and Chad you and I have spoken about it and there are so many good examples like not only in Tacoma but other places. I also think there is really good examples of how vertical support pillars or columns have been incorporated into public art projects in the East Bay and I think that was a really smart comment because when something is down low it is very hard to see but it's the verticality if you've got that architecture to work with will really help draw the eye and and and have that visibility that the lower portion just it might disappear to a lot of viewers. Yeah. I'll just add that I personally am a visual art specialist like K to 12 like that and I I think there's a lot of considerations when you're doing a group art project and I would totally offer myself as a volunteer artist. Well thank you. Yeah that would make people and paint and it's like it can be a really exponential equation. It's really great too I think yeah I think we're invigorating but really well prepared and materials prepared correctly it's really can succeed. Yeah I love that it's an activity. Thank you I would love that help and I'll give you my card. I'm really glad to hear that the city wants to be involved in you know graffiti abatement or helping to make sure that these pieces stay community engagement focused. Yeah and off the top a little bit but the city is parking where I want to make sure that that I'm speaking for parking. I went through all the proper channels to get at this point I didn't skirt anybody anything but I do know that the city has put in a lot of effort to revitalize downtown revitalize the rural square parking that we're putting in effort every day to try to make the garage cleaner upgrade the lighting system have more staff out there they're they're they're small steps and I do believe they're making a dent in it but but any help phone calls conversations emails I can get to kind of help me understand what what the additional issues could be that's that's what we're here for you. Great thanks. So thanks for any more comments. Nope okay we'll move on now does anyone wish to make any motion to approve this design? I'll make a motion. I would like to make a motion to approve the uh prove the artwork design for artwork that would improve the fifth street parking garage done by common ground society and partners and community partners and look forward to a you know a more input between our our staff or our staff and your group. Do I have a second? Okay now we have a motion we can discuss it any other kinds of comments around discussing what we said at all. I'm just curious will we get another chance to review because I know this was a pretty rough draft of what they were planning to do. I don't think so because they they won't have a design of what will actually be inside of the bubble letters so they wanted to approval on this design to move forward with doing the bubble letters and the inside part would be yeah I could I could work on just you know what we think would be in there for sure. Well and I think using some of the designs from the quilts that was the purpose of the quilt was showing you know how common ground society has created belonging for you so we just put some of those designs in the belonging and in the hello. If you wanted to come back to that would mean that you would come back and present again. Which I feel is entirely no it's not but I would love to work with you I mean if you're working with us on this I feel like it's gonna be a continued conversation yeah absolutely yeah absolutely okay yeah totally yeah and thank you for asking me to get a reminder for the timeline for I'm not sure if they're always yeah they're the only detail was once it's approved they feel like it will only take it will be a one day's worth activity and they don't have that date on the calendar yet okay but when there is a date we can communicate it to the committee right yeah okay um so we've discussed it um anyone else want to make a new discussion okay so it's the motion's on the table uh to approve if there's no further discussion then Priscilla could we would you report the vote record the vote absolutely uh committee member as Darian is absent still committee member Faulkner I approve it all right committee member Nathanson all right all right committee member Pointess aye committee member steward is absent uh vice chair Kiefer aye chair Bumkner um yes let the record reflect we have one two three four five eyes and two absences for that vote thank you five five is a quorum right we have a quorum just yeah we have a quorum yes yes I know right okay well that was great um we're gonna move on now to the next agenda item you guys are free to thank you so much thank you so much um next thing is the planning and economic development department is going to do some introductions uh staff will enter oh good I'll be in perfect the staff will introduce planning and economic development director Gabe Osborne and administrative service officers now lino lino sorry about that it's okay like that earlier it's okay so the recommended action of this is information only so Jessica you can go ahead with the introduction thanks sorry um yeah so in this sort of little period for the last couple months um myself and bryce have been working closely with Gabe serena and jill here and we just thought it would be nice to do some introductions and um so yeah take it away would you like to go first I'm jill scott I'm the city's real estate manager but also doing a um an acting role as the deputy director of economic development for right now right okay oh me okay um serena lino I'm the administrative services officer for the department and um I'm mostly responsible for the budget and HR for the department but um I oversee all of the administration division and uh anything process oriented so I've been helping Jessica uh navigate um kind of inner workings of the city as we keep the our program moving forward special events moving forward so just being that um advisor of sorts to help guide the program forward so um and I have a long history with recurring parks in the past so it's uh I like to be able to support the program and I'm Gabe Osburn I'm the director of planning and economic development um so it's really good to spend some time with the chair vice chair and members of the committee just really where the department is at this point as you can see there there's a lot of vacancies that we're filling people who are in temporary roles and I have to give a big kudos to Jessica and Bryce um they've done an amazing job carrying the program so I'm incredibly impressed at their expertise their passion and I'm really happy to be part of the team um just visions moving forward I think that that's an important piece so art is in a department that has core sets of responsibilities that aren't art right economic development one can say that's that's partially um art um but when you look at the regular planning and building functions that's the vast majority of the time the department spends so what I'll be doing is intentionally looking for ways to prop the art program up it's a very small but mighty team but it's incredibly important to the community and the culture of Santa Rosa and I think as we move forward what we'll be looking at is how do we build off of some great things that we've did we've done so how do we promote art how do we make art destination how do we theme around art and murals for example and I think they're great ideas from Chad but how do we take that to the next step because all of a sudden we're creating a theme with that mural in the garage and how do we continue that activity going and how do we partner with the community to make that happen so I will be coming back to the committee for creative ideas on how we can be better to prop the art program up and what does the community want to see how can we present it um what have we what how can we do something different than we haven't done in the past because we have a lot of tools at our disposal we say it's Bryce and Jessica but it's part of a bigger organism that is planning and academic development and that team does some pretty amazing things that they can shift towards the art program so we will we will be looking for opportunities to do that in the future you'll see my face here more often I think it's important to support the team and I have a passion for it myself so look forward to for great things to come um thank you game yeah thanks for it's nice to meet you guys let me see there's a kind of a so um is there any public comment we were moving on um we're going to move on to any questions again we're starting with questions from our committee any questions or comments from you for the folks that are here I I have a question I am um curious about because uh Jessica is an interim person and is a contractor as opposed to an employee what kind of timeline do you see for hopefully hiring Jessica on a full-time basis to be uh the leader of the committee and or and how do you see this moving forward because we feel I personally I'll speak for myself feel a little stalled out here yeah and understandably so I think with some of the vacancies that we've had it's it's occurring in a few areas in the department so we're really trying to write the ship and part of that is permanently filling the roles so the arts and culture manager position that is going out we're working with our HR department to permanently fill that what we're trying to do as well is to figure out long term to provide a solid program moving forward what's the appropriate number of full-time employees I think Jessica and Bryce have done a fabulous job as contract employees but I would love to bring those resources in-house to formally make it part of the team and to really solidify that moving forward of course anytime there's a position then it's a budgetary request and as we go through a flat budget it becomes a bit more challenging to do that but what we're doing sort of strategizing across the department to figure out how we can provide more resources long-term permanent positions to the department the division I should say but the first step is to fill that position with the number of vacancies citywide it takes a little longer than we would like to fill some of these roles just because it's impacting our HR department but we are actively pursuing that recruitment so that will be the first step and then we'll go from there do you see that happening in the next couple of months or this year that's that's the goal Gabe alluded to about our HR department is also under stuff themselves and so we are it's a little bit slow moving right now but we're hoping that it's going to be picking up in the next couple weeks to get these recruitments out so this position is one of 11 that we have in the department so we're just going through the motions so it does take a little bit of time but at the very least we'll get the position open for recruitment and then typically what we say it can take two to three months from start to finish getting a person starting on their first day it can take about that much time to go through each step of the process so from opening the position to actually hiring the person till day one it can take two to three months yeah but our goal is to do so well before the end of the fiscal year so it will not go beyond July 1st is the goal okay sure is um is the position been rewritten at all or changed it's as you are getting ready to list it have um back to what Tara did yeah so uh we anytime we have a vacancy we always take a look at it um in this case uh we didn't make too many changes to it because it was a relatively new version of it because Tara was reclassified into that position so the position itself was studied not too long ago however it's sidebar but related the city is going through a large-scale classification and compensation study where every miscellaneous position in the city is currently being studied so there may be something that comes through that but for the purposes of the recruitment uh we won't be making any changes so um it is a new recruitment though for this position because Tara was in it for so long so there wasn't actually an existing job announcement for it so we we have had to start from scratch to create that one but um but that's okay we're making it work and we'll add one of the organizational pieces that we're trying to figure out at this point is is Tara wore quite a few hats um on the art side but also in the economic development side as a whole uh so what we're trying to do is to have that position solely focused on art and to not necessarily be distracted by other economic development components um anytime you do that it becomes the start and stop issues it's harder to focus and things just take longer uh so right now we're working on that that's Jill and I are talking a lot about what that economic development team needs to look like as far as small business support big business attraction retention but we don't want the art program to suffer because of that so we're trying to make sure that the resources are equally distributed between the two clearly defined programs I feel like um I hear what you're saying and it also concerns me that it would separate that from the finance because when you're like developing relationships with artists and you're creating opportunities and dreaming and you don't have a direct tie-in to where the money's coming from and maybe even a say so I just would offer a comment on that that I I would hope that we would keep that person at the table in the the art I'm telling you what I want your job to be I think that's important to be able to have that leverage in a sense on behalf I feel like the person out of the community that's working with yeah the art on the walls that I mean the art is great but it's about the people that are making it and what's happening at this time and it's a recording of what happened at this time and who we were Santa Rosa at this time we want that to reflect our city but if the person is not able to in a sense really support that and go for what they really want or or advocate for it so that's what I'm concerned about it if it's too separated out and it's like you're just going to do the art and I know I don't know everything but I was putting that out there that I I really do want that person at the table yeah I hope it would be Jessica and to dovetail off of Anne's comment I'm I'm just aware of how integral Tara's role was with the implementation of events and through the permitting process and having that understanding in one position made for events to happen so smoothly or or to you know be able to talk about what the process is and I really think that that needs to be embedded in this this role going forward so and I just wonder whether the vision is for this role to stay within economic development or if there's any thought about going back to Parks and Rec or I think it really makes a lot of sense to stay within economic development so I just wonder what the organizational thought is so I think two points there the first one incredibly important and we will not be decoupling events from art uh they need to work together well so that would be the team's core focus and really when I say separate them out the way the planning and economic development department works is nothing really separates out it has to all work together for the city to function correctly and for us to implement the goals we want to see um what we need to sort of focus on though is really because when things get busy in your short staffed people move to the hot issue and sometimes that's detrimental to various programs because you're constantly moving to something that isn't bad so what we're trying to do is shelter that a little bit um really purely from an hour dedication standpoint um but I think some of those discussions about I've heard a lot of art well that small business support because when you put art on buildings you're actually supporting small businesses that's absolutely correct you are and so how do you work small business now when you look at big business attraction retention and I I constantly use the amazon distribution center um that's a different skill set right that that that's a a different team member that works with that but when you deal with the smaller community events the art the small business support then it starts intertwining itself and it dovetails together so we are not decoupling that that's not the goal as I think it's really critical um for that sort of community element to keep those together good yeah and and I'd like to just add my reinforcements to that concept high jail um the the uh art and culture programs I've seen in other cities and I think it was this way in Santa Rosa also prior to six years ago or whenever arts and culture was moved over to economic development but when you see those programs that those departments in recreation and parks there is a really different emphasis and a really different understanding about the impact that the arts make and having worked on um multiple arts and economic uh impact studies um here and on the east coast it's remarkable when you really look into the numbers and the impact that the arts have on economic development and I think it's a it's just a a healthier way for a community to look at how the money flows and what impact it's having especially when artists are also considered as small businesses just to confirm I will not be proposing that arts is pulled out of planning and and that's great thank you yeah let's not forget the non-profit arts organizations too yes we all work hard thanks for coming in it's how you really appreciate you coming in to meet us and yeah thank you absolutely as I mentioned you will see us here more often great great um so I don't think there's anything else to do with that right yeah that's great no vote thank you just a big perfect thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you how are you Jeff good how are you jill good don't forget to vote yeah already did it yep good for trump three times okay we're going to move into a discussion about the ad hoc task or presentation by jessica ad hoc task forces and work areas they're going to share the work plan and highlight the work areas for the committee members and the recommended action is discussion um so I wanted to and also we talked about just revisiting the task forces because that's where we left off in November um I did look into it and we are not able to have a spreadsheet online that we all access so yeah unfortunately anytime that a member is going to want to sign up for one of the areas we'll have to do it here at the meeting so that it's public okay um and I did hear back from jeff and and lisa that's why we're the only i think um jeff used to have it for an entire task force area which is it's fine you know this is still a work in progress um but I think oh so that's why it populated so many I thought I was taking a shortcut well and I do just want to talk about the task forces in general okay um I've been thinking about them a lot and I'm seeing them and you can tell me if you see it differently um but I think it can be kind of approached from two different ways if any number of you any one of you has a like a project that you really want to tackle or see through this can be a roadmap and some some help to get that project done or if you if you are feeling like you have some time to dedicate to the art and public places committee and you don't know where to start it could also work that way because it does break things down into such small components um I know in our last meeting I think I think we were even talking about whether or not we were going to go forward with the task forces and we did decide to but that was five months ago yes but yeah so those were kind of some of the things I was thinking about them I think they're still a really good tool yeah thank you too um I like what you did Lisa you signed up for like a just a very small section of project development yeah just as a seems more doable absolutely and that's what I was and in a lot of it is actually working on stuff that we've already have and see where we can change like for instance a conduct that a audit to the current process see what we can do to make some changes to our current policies and update them and I've done stuff like this before so I don't think it you know it won't be something completely new to me and it will be something that I'll probably enjoy working on and um you know making some progressive changes so that's my hope but we also got to see what those progressive changes need to be within the art policies procedures rules and regulations of what the city can do so I'm assuming too that they have to go through the attorney has to do the final say and look at those yeah I mean I think that's getting ahead of ourselves a little bit we'll just do you want us to um say what we would like yeah yeah if you didn't already that would be great okay I'm thinking uh uh under this uh green section your partner builds stronger relationships with culturally diverse local and regional community organizations number one I can do that compliance the regional and local organization so that was j1 um i is that right i one okay that's a great a great one sorry my thank you double okay and I think it like at this point it can be as simple as just one piece that doesn't have to be like the rest of I for example yeah I'll start here okay and then when we can um when we have stuff to report on this there's still a place in our agenda for the meetings where we can talk about it that's one or two down um we can continue to do that in the future I think I put a general sign up and got translated to this weird I feel like I'm sort of stuck on something that feels very um not people centered I think I think another way we can do this is we can all take these home and okay yeah email me you're still it'll just end on me okay yeah and then at the next meeting I'll have a revised chart with whatever it is and we don't have to oh good I think maybe had to do everything like in this way I'm sorry that's really helpful okay thank you thank you here okay that's super yes okay yeah let's do that I agree with that because that'll give me some you yeah with these items that I can quickly say I think my issue with the task forces they were talked about previously was was a little broad yeah and we didn't always know what that meant or how to be active effectively yeah I think we should all follow devil's lead she's the one thing she's out yeah because you don't try to get this migrated over yet you don't need this build out I mean this is all just to support the program and can happen in small steps and and probably more likely to happen if we take off a little one or two yeah yeah unless there's like I remember Jeff I think you were talking about like an art walk and that would kind of be the other way to come at it if you have that project in mind and then you could look to these and see if anything in here supports doing that right you know one of the things I was looking at is the it's it's looking at like the overlap that happens with say community engagement and DEI and and some of the goals and and these concepts or you know task forces it almost seemed like there was duplication rather than integration of activity so even thinking about art walk it's like well what are we trying to accomplish here it's more visibility for the public art that we have and it's inclusion for people in the community so there is an access point and there's probably way as I was thinking about it like well I just put some broad category and put my name on a couple of broad categories and then it just populated it which I think you just signed up for all of community engagement and well it's like well I'm you know I'm interested in community engagement but I'm also I really want to be involved if possible with project development but because I see an important part of the process being well how do you how do you encourage and and make sure that you include a community engagement component as you're developing your projects I see those as not being separate tracks and that that's where I have trouble it's like okay these are separate task forces but they somehow have to merge at some point so where are those connection points you know can we grow you know can we create Venn diagrams that know where these things intersect I guess another question that might have been good to ask when we had our our community development folks here was about the community engagement staff um one of the oh yeah um I know looking at specifically section D under the community engagement task force it says partner with community engagement staff and so I would like to know more information about organizationally how is that with it how is that kind of branched out between the cities right and and they actually they disassembled that office right that office doesn't exist now so is this still relevant community engagement yeah this but you know this is something that Tara and Raisa and I had talked about quite a while ago but if there's if there's something that exists like community engagement is within the city structure somewhere you know wherever it might end up being I think it's important for us to actually be connected to it I I know that there was an attempt to uh collaborate with the office of community engagement in the past that didn't I didn't I guess it didn't go anywhere really but we did one project that was pretty successful yeah okay but I think what you're saying you know is that the project development and anything we do should include community engagement at all times it's always through that lens yeah it doesn't make more sense to maybe come at it from a specific lens of project by project yeah maybe I mean it's so much easier to think about when it's the tangible thing that we're working on yeah because I give you concrete yeah things right so then maybe there's a rather than task forces there's almost like a checklist it's like okay we're developing a project so let's make sure that there's a community engagement a diversity and inclusion what's the what's the communication to the community and the feedback back from the community on this project and how would how does that all flow it seems like the the clearest instance of that that I would can recall is the water bill the project that was part of kim's and creatives the what project the the water bill where there were these oh qr qr codes yeah oh yeah you know water I don't I didn't hear about that until it was realized so it makes me wonder if you know how how does how project development is undertaken with the context of the committee as opposed to private contractors who have more latitude to you know set aside budget and realize something yeah well and then when they're not behold to the same kind of rules and regulations that a committee would be in terms of I don't I don't know I mean I feel like we could make some things happen but I I'm still not sure how they're you know how we get into gear with them yeah that's a good question or like a specific project you mean or I'm sure yeah well I don't know you know just how do we make a plan and execute it yeah as a relatively new member of the committee I'm wondering has the committee initiated projects like come up with like say we want to create this art walk or we want to create this sculpture somewhere we want to have or is it more everyone the ideas are coming to the committee from outside I floated a few things but ended up kind of pursuing them independently but I also think the committee has come up with concepts like okay we want to do we want to support more temporary projects rather than permanent projects and we can actually have some impact on how the limited budget is is used so I think we've helped in the creation of opportunities but oftentimes yeah creating a framework so it's like okay we want to encourage these temporary projects and so then a call for proposals can go out there I feel like you guys were more generating that call though yeah maybe at a staff level yeah I thought it was in a staff level yeah I mean there was arts room too I mean that was I think successful that was really great that was a collaboration with Creative Sonoma but that wasn't driven by the committee right yeah that's how I meant it's like I know there's things but I don't feel like I've ever seen it come through I don't know well and and maybe that's a question for us are we really more of a review and approval committee or are we actually supposed to be creating strategy and and project development and and maybe now that I say it I'm a little unclear about and I've been on this committee a little while now because from my experience over a year it seems like ideas are coming and we're saying we're approving and and getting the logistics down about it but we're not generating a project yeah yeah I think if we go back to the public art policy it is more of a approval committee and I think the task forces were born out of a desire to do more the thing that I I would be interested in seeing is us looking at where are the opportunities that we think with the collective expertise that we have on this committee where are the opportunities that we see for using public art effectively to as an economic development tool downtown in other neighborhoods is there something that we would like to propose the focus let's say for a period of time because we see either an opportunity or perhaps there's just an omission it's like oh gee you know coffee park really needs more than one public artwork in the park you know so I think we could be advisors at a certain level but at the end of the day I as I think about it I think I joined this committee with the understanding that it's really more a committee that is charged with review and approval and ultimately that would make me want to not be on this committee I mean honestly when I came on I really it was during COVID and it was all online and I thought oh this is fantastic I want to get involved I'm new to the city I am a working artist I have a lot of experience with different things but not necessarily 100% public art but I have a lot to offer and I don't feel like personally I feel like in some ways I feel like I kind of had to hold back like because I'm not going to be the one realizing that I can't get the contract I can't you know and not like I was seeing it as a monetary thing but it's just almost like can I even put force my ideas I didn't see that there's room for it so I'm really glad we're having this conversation because I feel like there's just a whole lot of collective talent and experience in this group and it'd be so much more migrating if we could use some of it well I think we are using it well yeah I mean I think but I mean you bring a certain like set of skills that definitely always are being used I feel like with your museum and institutional and I feel like you really do help us kind of sort of put things in context sometimes but I don't know like this just for me to tell that woman I'd love to help her that was the first time I felt like I ever even had that opportunity yeah which is very cool yeah which is great yeah and it's not about me I'm just saying I'm just talking about the general yeah I think there's room for the whole gimmick yeah right yeah for the member that just wants to be approving stuff to the member that wants to connect with so maybe I'm just brainstorming here but maybe there could be some sort of a task on here somewhere I don't know if there is that you know if like what you said we seek somebody on the committee or several of us see a need for you know more public art maybe we could get on here like one of the tasks being formulating ideas for projects in the community you know what where where do we as people that are artists and art administrators etc whatever we are I don't know you know where do we see there is a need in the community for something and how can we yeah make that happen happen yeah and I think that was part of the conversation about bringing art into the general plan bringing public artwork into specific frameworks where there is already you know motion towards a specific plan or a general plan I think that was a lot of the intent but that was focused on you know a specific document that came that was produced so I don't think it was like a thinking out into the future of five ten years where do we see opportunities and how do we make partnerships it was more of how does how do we make sure public artists talked about in this in this document that is being adopted in the next year are there opportunities for you know artists to partner with whoever is creating the actual documents that it looks more visually pleasing or more engaging that was an opportunity I think I I would like to be I know I would be invigorated by kind of like a task list of saying this is where we see art happening and how the committee can support these ideas that is what I think I would be more invigorated by it feels like maybe the that last round of community grants is a is a bellwether for how the economic development department is going to approach funding I don't know what do you mean the small business support program was the facade improvement no not that one the one that's held up right now it is that one yeah there's a lot of improvements is the small business so there was a component that was facade improvements and there was a component that was place making gotcha and that's where the public art program contracted with art start and mural project to do to bring murals to small businesses that wanted them and are you thinking of arts around no no no I'm thinking of that I think it's a community development grant that funds the parade in south of a and potentially it was it you know the grants that went out people might get maybe what four months ago three months yeah so that's the event support program and community promotion grants are part of that because it's suspended right it is a bit in limbo yeah and I think it's because we've had more requests for funding than we have funding and so then how to distribute that equitably against and on top of that is there's two two request periods in the year so we've already maxed out at the first request period so I think we're just not sure what's going to happen with the community promotions funding and that involves on staff on you guys to me not price and I we're in on the conversation but it's really going to be with economic development and Jill I guess yeah so they have a process for evaluated they have some set of criteria or rubrics for evaluating the merit of different projects in the past Tara and Rafael actually developed that makes that criteria but I think that criteria is also up for review at this point is this a potential area where we might make ourselves useful in terms of you know as a panel of people who have some expertise in cultural matters and I think that's a good idea yeah it's possible that we could suggest you as jury members for the for the requests and that would be that that would be a great help to get a community member who's you know got expertise in cultural events and arts and hide across to yeah yeah both ways um so are these kind of like this vein of conversation that we're having is this kind of in line with thinking about the processes within the cities I I don't know that this is necessary it's not a public art program program got it so things get really fuzzy yeah okay yeah so I think the best thing for this particular thing is to for me to suggest I'll suggest you if you don't mind be a jury member or anyone else who's interested I think I have a conflict of interest because of my involvement with opal yeah yeah yeah of course yeah yeah well let's see I'll just say APNC members are interested definitely fine yeah we can take it from there yeah yeah we could rotate yeah but there's not a like a real overlay with this since it's not a public art program got you got it it was just one of those things that felt to Tara in the past yeah and so yeah that that means to think about like the the flow charts that she had created I know so is that what Gabe's referring to when he's talking about more separation and focusing the this whoever you have hopefully you has the position of arts and cultural culture manager so they they they would sort of insulate that position from taking on these extraneous projects yeah well yeah that's not sure it's kind of what I was speaking to like that whole idea of taking this person out of that conversation about how the money's gonna be done is like what that's true if you're if you're creating art or you're doing something that is impacting arts and culture in our community then it is relevant yeah yeah I have the impression they're going to make a decision about how they want to do that stuff and we're gonna yeah fine yeah let's say looking for input yeah yeah we definitely have gotten some changes about how to go about some things you know and if your position was brought in they might be more bandwidth but it sounds like they haven't decided that yet they're not going to be okay so can I ask you to expand on what you just said like what are they asking you to do differently um just like uh I mean like there's so like with um uh live at Juilliard right then when I came into it then I made us uh I had two caveats that I wanted to bring into it that I felt like would make it kind of protect it and make it special and make it useful within our community in terms of being people from Sonoma County that are playing it as well as original bands and I've been told that those uh those are um was there a way to push back against that or is that like hey this is the way you're gonna do it it was it was like there's not a local preference ordinance so we can't say it needs to be a regional band yeah and yeah and then yeah it's a bit of a behemoth to push back on one yeah I mean it's possible because I think about like our criteria when we're putting out like a call for artists and we can prioritize artists within the Bay Area or Georgia in California yeah but that's not a similar process well that's part of a project plan in RFP and we don't have that for live at Juilliard right and so maybe we develop that and it's just a bit of a different thing that like you know that I was able to come in and take work off of somebody's plate and bring in you know more than 10 years of professional experience with it and have a have that view but that doesn't mean that I have economic development impact experience that translates you know for new folks you know and so then you know when we look at well why is the Windsor town green bigger you know than those are that's what they want to yeah yeah and so it's and so and it's probably not necessarily like everything's going to change but it's just that you can't say no to those right you can make it apply anybody why it doesn't mean that they but we can't necessarily save that time of the 220 people that apply and then all these people are like from Arizona or something and then they get vetoed to you or or that they're one of the yeah but it's just it's changing things and them you know getting into it and uh wanting to try some stuff and then having seen having worked on uh summer concert series and other communities because I co-produced I co-produced a couple of them over you know in past years if you've got a municipality that actually has a budget that says you know we want to bring in um you know it may not be you know a top bill name act but um you know we want to bring some people in who you know people have heard them on the radio right and so it's going to bring in a larger audience it's going to be impact and if you have a mentality and there's a budget to support that which which I had in previous life uh for a short period of time and we were you know located between Philadelphia and New York and we were able to get touring groups to play our series because they could make a stop yeah um but you know that's a really different thing than saying okay we're going to only have talent from the county yeah well it's just uh within my experience it's just like what would make it useful within the budgetary confines that are there and then there's a not necessarily that look at it but still wanting to keep it open yeah and so uh you know they definitely make difference with the budget yeah between those two compared events yeah but uh but the budget that part has not been addressed but then this other yeah that's interesting yeah kind of have to address them together to really make a valid decision right but it's just uh I have another question about um what you said we're asking about earlier about this thing that the community community promotions community thing and that people have applied but it's not happening because it's just they just have well the application period doesn't close until the end of the month oh okay so it's a long oh okay oh I thought it was your friends with opa they they accidentally applied at the previous oh my okay yeah so it was it hasn't been like oh yeah but now nothing is happening no that's not as good okay but they misunderstood what was coming yeah so yeah it makes me feel a little better like the application was from the beginning of February to the end of March right okay okay so and there is still a lot of discussion going on there like that so yeah just but it needs for numbers and proof and and what does it generate and all that kind of stuff but it seems like it's been an important grant for local organizations yes yeah um I think we should get back to task forces sorry it's all related so I think we went there I wanted thanks for the presentation of that yeah um I want to just say in our in our agendas we always have a section for committee member reports right so I think we should all I think it would be helpful to take the task forces sort of like a leaping off point but not changing us into what we can and can't do so um I forgot if it was double or Kristen had an idea about something I wanted to to bring up instead of necessarily adding it to the task force let's just kind of go forth and bring it up during committee member reports okay and and just start to go ahead with things instead of continuing to rework the task forces over and over yeah yeah whatever we want to have that discussion let's do it during committee member okay I love it make it loose okay okay okay is that a segue um yes we will make the same way can yes let's do it okay moving towards any public comment we are required to ask that sorry okay um so now we are um committee member reports you're welcome to make any general comments or announcements oh wait sorry um we're going to project updates first oh sorry I guess and we'll be right back you were trying that yes we're going to project updates over Jessica is okay we'll present um well actually vice was going to present first with our program updates and I realize now did every have you have you met anyone uh been introduced with by mostly but okay kind of part of a secondary attritionary way of the directly so both of our contacts have been expanded our scopes of work have been expanded so I'm taking on more of what Tara was doing and vice is taking on more of what I was doing um so with that in mind he's gonna stop the program excellent yeah so um relating to our rotating exhibits at the person's finger wing then there's still the uh San Rosa quilt field exhibition that's going through March 27th and then over at uh in Lee then we have the National Arts program um that's there through April 19th the reception is this Sunday from three to five um and Council member Victoria Fleming is going to be handing out awards so then we've got uh levels of amateur team um youth uh immediate and professional so then first through third with all those invest and show and then education awards okay yeah um and then for live at Julliard the applications and March 8th that are doing the selection process they're gonna do that a little different uh folks in April and so then that is six dates uh they're all Sundays uh from July 14th to August 4th and I want to give an update to everyone about fire station five public art we had um the finalists presented their proposals to the selection panel last month and the public survey for the public input survey is still open it's going to be open from March 15th on the so yeah please take as many postcards as you think you can hand out how many can handle yeah they can help take half of those okay um the selection panel is going to meet at the end of March and I'm not sure yet whether I'll have time to pull it together to present the recommendation to the appc at that April meeting or it might have to be the main meeting and that's it for us thanks Tara now we move on to the committee member reports this is the um you can make general comments announcements ad hoc ad hoc task force you've kind of started it so we may not need to update we may have some things that are still live so I just want to thank um everybody who came to the museum the other day that was wonderful thank you we're all there right yeah yeah yeah so rice sorry you were part of them yeah museum two were and uh and a beer over at flagship yes that's great it was a nice nice event go ahead I was just gonna ask Jessica um if I want to invite for committee members to events what is the best way to do that I'll email you and then ask you to note and you go ahead and email everyone if it's an event or a social thing we can all because it wouldn't be yeah we just can't discuss work related every business our programs okay great events are great to invite everyone great so I regularly coordinate events with the shady oak barrel house and I invite everyone to if you are on social media Instagram is a great way to keep up to date on upcoming events also our website is regularly updated um but we have lots of we have two shows this weekend friday and saturday uh and um local groups we really highlight local performances and then performers throughout the bay area as well so and all of those shows are free to the public to attend so I will keep you guys updated thanks i'm just gonna float I'm gonna I guess I'm trying out being more informal about community visits and stuff sort of with an eye towards how we might formalize those things later on but Anna introduced me to someone in my district who I thought was really interesting was a guy in the fixture temple who runs an organization called New World Ballet and he has a lot of people coming from the bay and from the east coast doing this kind of desk residence and he's looking for a larger space to facilitate summer camps so I had an interesting conversation with him uh and you know I don't have anything tangible to offer him but you know I think what he's doing is really great and deserves you know attention yeah resources so I thought that was something that's something that's sort of been in the back of my mind um there's a woman named Danny D'Angelo who opened a space called Strange Constellation that's a kind of store but it also does public events from craft fair kind of stuff and music events that seems like a nice space that's been fun to visit what is that that's on the southeast street and I don't know I I'm not sure when I when I first started there seemed to be a real focus on people sort of presenting their projects at the end of each meeting which didn't seem entirely productive to me but I'm going to do that anyway just kind of refresher because I'm you know I've sort of for the last six years I've kind of been organizing this space that's a kind of large permaculture garden project with an emphasis on native flora that also hosts an exhibition program and occasional performances and that's going to be quite busy this year and with a real mix in terms of people's profiles some of whom are coming from out of town and you know are you know tend to do larger-scale higher-profile kinds of exhibitions but also local artists who either have maybe haven't had a lot of recognition or are just getting started and I'm I'm sort of seeing it seems like there's a place for programming that emphasizes that dynamic exchange you know especially since the tourism into you know people are coming in and out of the county and I grew up here in the arts you know I feel like we could all benefit from a larger variety of platforms that are helping people develop their work and find community have conversations so I guess I'll keep everyone I in the past I've always sent press releases to Tara forward to the committee and I'll continue to do that but I'm also you know I wonder if those could be sent directly to the committee I don't know because it's a social limit type thing I'll find out okay but my thought is that it's okay to share okay in a more informal way and in a way that parallels the gathering we had the other day because we technically we can't talk about anything on the agenda right but or the program right but we can still talk about everything else in the world right so so that communication is it's just really being cautious not to share information that is programmatic or agenda related and can I ask a question related to Victor who the dancer and the one that has a ballet school can can we invite people to come and present to us as an informational just to raise awareness or is that not our function but I'm just like he's feeling outside the conversation I went by a studio and you know he was teaching a class and invited to sit in I mean you know you did that too no yeah I thought that was great and he's really talented yeah he seems like he would be I'm sure there are a number of people who would welcome that opportunity and I would you know I think are you saying he would come here well possibly or and then just even just but the idea to kind of develop a relationship like invite people into more seeing us as being touch points for further tessellation out into the community I think that's here is that is or or even him being able to invite us there or can that stuff happen is that is that like outside of who we are is it we could definitely go there socially and I actually have the same question about people coming to present here yeah so let me look into it more because anytime someone's presented it's been yeah to address something yeah forever yeah but let me look into that further I think that's really interesting I would suggest so because this committee is really focused on art in public places right I'm I I'd actually be interested in people who want to address the group or have a question about whether a particular location could have public art yeah that dialogue with the community I think would actually be beneficial but in this case we're talking about a dancer dancer choreographer was a non-profit right so is this the right committee I yeah I might well I mean is there an arts and culture committee in general I guess really not part of the reason I thought his case was especially relevant is that he runs a festival in the summer that involves very high profile studios from back east and he's looking for a venue that his space is insufficient for that it's a public event it sounds like to me and he's looking for a place to do that yeah okay in my sense is that there are quite a few people who are kind of siloed in that way in the region who you know couldn't really do a lot with a bigger platform or potentially a public platform but I think I do think people who have concrete requests or are looking you know for some support or facilitation are going to expose the limitations of the kind of resources that we are capable of providing very quickly and if we're inviting people in then you know that could get awkward yeah that's exactly my point yeah would it be more productive for him to meet others who are in the performance community and and you know I think he already does he's got a relationship with Tara and he's definitely keeping that up she's helped him she was instrumental in him moving from Yukia down here okay and all of that and he has I think he has pretty much exhausted the other people there isn't much going on um in dance like he's proposing and the kind of talent he's bringing in yeah for his events he did one at Christmas he does he's training he's setting up another one right now did he send you that document which is so they're often short he rented loser bourbon for the last thing because you know to find a venue for one night and almost sold it out so and he needs like like 1200 seats yes he marines workspace he needs high ceilings and big space to conduct classes six thousand square feet yeah I think and I feel like he does this challenge about performance it's the planning and it's difficult it is difficult but he brought the mayor into that's how I got involved because she brought me in and then he touches in with me but I feel like I kind of my hands are tied but it's like and that's what the mayor said is this committee only about digital art on buildings or you do any kind of I said I mean if a g or park is in the effects but that's not part of us really isn't it's not the live at julia that is that is yeah what's not is community promotions okay but isn't julia part that's I thought but it's not part of the art and public places committee well it's a program of the public art program yeah but but it's not where we but we have no jurisdiction yeah yeah yeah there's I mean I think it's just kind of letting you guys know yeah but that hasn't necessarily been the okay come on down and participate but I remember a couple years ago when the Mary Lou dedication event happened and with the low rider council and I think about low rider cars as being art on wheels and it's in the public so that sounds like public art to me yes absolutely and so we that and some other events have prompted that discussion and maybe that's something for us to really consider is what the overall scope of this committee actually is I sort of like the idea of being a bit more expansive and progressive in our thinking yeah I hope I'm not belaboring this conversation too much but I just out of curiosity a few years ago I kind of touched with a film named filmmaker named Courtney Stevens who was interested in making a 16 millimeter film she does kind of work a hit architectural historic histories and in a short film format and she was thinking about doing a 16 millimeter film about the Santa Rosa City Hall which I thought might be an interesting connection with the this was during the time the plan was being written and she just got a goog and hive and stuff you know she's someone who's whatever recognized but also yeah a very interesting artist but I wasn't sure where I've mentioned it a couple times but it didn't really go anywhere but I do wonder about the possibility of projects like that that have a very clear relationship to tourism and economic development in terms of raising the profile of you know certain cultural sectors or artifacts or buildings that are in the county uh so yeah I don't know just trying that on again yeah I love it well I think it's great for all of the committee members to develop these grow these relationships and and for the appc to be accessible to the public and yeah and ask for participation and something that you're interested in in terms of like what we can and can't do I think where we we have to go back to the public art policy which is on the public art website and it's somewhat fake so like I think we can interpret that or we can work on interpreting that together but that's our document that tells us what we can and can't do okay is the public art policy yeah okay you know i just wanted to make a quick announcement to you just really quick say to everybody so I'm with the centers of junior college music department and I just want everybody to know that they have multiple events all year long or all semester long that are going on and next week on Wednesday we'll have the chorus and chamber singer singers and they have special art artists and then on Thursday the jazz band and that's going to be performing and they have some special artists and including its students and faculty and then on Friday the orchestra of next week is going to be and if you want any more information you can just go in the center as a jc music department website and look at the events just click on the events thanks yes right okay okay um is there anything else you had on your agenda like department parts that you want to do um yeah I just want to tell everyone that I made a mistake um and so the mayor is going to re-elect the appc chair at the council meeting that's going to happen on March 26 and then the appc will elect the vice chair at the following meeting so sorry about that it's a little bit late so it always happens just like debil hasn't been here through that there's yes so um so the mayor always elects the vice chair and that's going to happen no the real chair oh sorry yeah yeah yeah and then abc elects the vice chair right and um crystal is actually going to write up a like a process for that because we haven't we don't have one written up actually thanks for yeah okay so thanks just want to let y'all know so we're just pushing that off um we were talking about it maybe happening yeah yeah we have to wait until the chair's been elected okay okay so remind us the date uh March 26 the mayor will elect the chair right then at the city council meeting at the city council yeah okay and normally that would have taken place earlier in the year oh interesting yeah whoops yeah okay thank you for that um we're blessed agenda I have is the future agenda is anyone want to put anything down you can see there that there's the ongoing list of what we have already added it's on your agenda anyone want to add anything for future discussion okay I'll take that and then the next meeting will be Monday April 1st April goals day and um this meeting is adjourned thanks that's not a holiday we'll know because the 31st is which of us hot that day that yeah that day is going to be canceled for oh it is yeah you know the first is like you're like see what's on this day yeah okay so you'll get a can of air that people will be coming to may yes okay all right march your calendar for the first Monday of May or unless you need us to meet unless we do a special meeting we could do a special meeting okay let me know if you want if anyone's interested in that let's talk okay yeah thanks for hanging with us thank you thank you good job people