 Call to order the meeting of November 18th that they're all in can redevelopment board. We have a fairly light agenda tonight. The first thing is an Arlington 360 update and discussion. And I think we'll ask a few people to come forward. We've got Laura Wiener. That's my brockton accent coming up. Laura Wiener coming from the planning department. And then Jake, if you want to come on, as well as, I don't know, Rick, if you want to come up as well, or if there's a lot of girls, we can grab you a chair. Here you go, Rick. If you don't mind, Jake, I'll just go and reach out over. Laura, why don't you pick us off? I will start with the main thing that I wanted to talk to you about was there are a couple of conditions that deserve it to have a cup with a memo. Yes. There's a couple of conditions that relate to the traffic signal at the corner of Sims Road and Summer Street. The condition says that we would look at it six months after occupancy roughly and hold $40,000 for adjustments. But it's not working very well right now. And we all jointly felt that we should adjust it now and not wait six months. So we had a meeting with TAC, the developer's engineers, not all of TAC, a couple of people who had been on the subcommittee, the developer's engineer, who was somebody that was recommended by Jeff Max Tudas, who's a TAC member, who's kind of the most involved in transportation engineering. And Jake and Sandy Silk and talked about the most effective way to do that and coordinating that light with the Brattle Street light and the Cutter Hill Mill Street light. And I think it's fair to say everyone at the table felt like this was a better solution to get this proactive before the residents really start moving in and before Brightview opened. But it requires changing the conditioner, at least accepting that it's not meeting the condition as stated. The other piece of it was that we felt that the developer requested, and we thought it was fair, that we might not need the $40,000 in escrow to be cost. If we make all the adjustments now, those are the things that cost money. Any minor tweaking that happens afterwards is something that, oh, I forgot to mention, Wayne Chenard, the ten engineer, was there. And he felt like his department could handle it. Can I fill in just a little bit of historical context to the whole thing? So way back when the EIR was done, or the MEPA permit for this Houlson's project, that was done before the special permit process happened. And the traffic studies were done initially as part of the MEPA submission. And at the time, the developer didn't know what the special permit densities were going to be, but needed to sort of cart before the horse needed to get the MEPA study done. So there was an assumption, I think, I believe it was 290 units of residential housing on top of a 40,000 to 60,000 square foot medical office building that had a 126 car parking garage. That was the program that was assumed. That program is very different than it is today, particularly from a traffic perspective. And I think we've reviewed that difference with the board. But to be overly simplistic, and there's peak times and everything, but in general, the traffic flow is somewhere between 50% and 45% reduction from what was assumed originally. So historically, that's how things came. Everybody knows how the project was submitted with the MEPA permit assumption applied. Then the permit originally was for 240 units. Then there was an appeal of the project. That number dropped to 200 units of residential housing. Then later in the last go-around, there was an adjustment to remove 24 townhomes from those 200 units. And the medical office building with the parking garage to be replaced with the 90 unit assisted living in the lower district park. So the combination of those things has been a significant increase. At the same time, when the permit originally was done, it was contemplated as a kind of minion project predominantly. And there was an acknowledgment that things make sort of go in phases. And it wasn't sure how that was going to happen. So it was going to sort of evolve. And I think the nature of the condition itself was let's have, once everything's finally done and stabilized, let's look to see where we are. From our current perspective, the program of what's being developed is pretty clear what's going to happen. We are months away from trying to get a positive occupancy for the residential. The assisted living is expecting to be done by the end of February or shortly by the end of March. And it's very predictable what those traffic flows with those uses from an engineering perspective. And so we also all acknowledge that there's some issues with the timing and sequence of the lights not functioning well. We've been getting complaints from even the residents who've already just moved in, as well as people who are in the area who are going through that intersection a lot, it's just not functioning very well. So we thought it would be better to be a proactive approach rather than wait for the problems and to go ahead and get this in place now. And I think we have the acknowledgement that there may be some modifications of moving strike lines or putting some dash lines in to help those things function. There might be some extra motion detectors or things that are in the road to sensory things to optimize it in addition to doing the traffic counts at these key intersections now under the existing conditions because there's been a lot of change over the time. The project of Mill Street and everything changing. To then say, OK, once we have all that updated data, what's going to optimize these key intersections on the Mill Street, Summer Street, and the Brattle Street, Brattle Hospital Road, Summer Street intersection, which is sort of like this massive intersection. It's an extended intersection to make sure that the flows are coming through there. Also wanted to do it once the turning lanes were done, which they are now operable in the islands have been put in place. That just happened last week. So we also wanted to rush and get the traffic count portion of this done before the snow falls. And we've actually already released the study itself for the counts. And we are, with approvals and things happening today, we're all understanding what we're doing. We will then release the full engineering study and the scope is embedded with Laura and with the TAC and with our consultant to make sure that we're doing what's necessary to get that information to program to optimize this intersection. So we feel like we've gotten good receptivity and a team approach to how to best manage this on all sides. We're very appreciative of that. And we think it's better to avoid the problems and get this stuff done now than to wait and then have a painful experience for everybody. Rick, anything? Well, the neighbors, I mean, obviously having attended a lot of the snack meetings and being a focal point of complaints from the neighbors, it is a traffic problem. I think what Jake is proposing here makes a lot of sense. And it was discussed at the last snack meeting. Jake basically laid out what he's saying now. And I figured, yeah, I think right now, you could sit there for a long time. I did tonight. So what I'm saying is, and I'm there on a daily basis, I've seen people running the red, even taking the left on the right. So coming out of that site, I think that it is a level of frustration that hopefully this will address. So I think what we're asking for is to have an acknowledgement that we would like to do this proactively, that we will try to absorb any modifications that come out of the traffic study as part of this mitigation measure, but that once we close that out, I think we would like to then put this outstanding letter of credit, which was a little bit awkward for the entity that has the place now, where it doesn't really have a letter of credit. It would have to be a cash bond. And when you said, let's spend the money, do things the right way up front and be proactive about it. But then the other side of it would be we would like to be released to that obligation once all those improvements were done and satisfactory to the TAC and the town engine. The town engine. Bruce? It sounds like this is the right way to go, Jake. And I've also heard anecdotally from people that have expressed frustration about the sequence or the timing of the lights there. I just want to make sure I understand the process. So after you finish gathering the information and the study with the traffic counts and so on, does the development team formulate the recommended fix or does that go back to TAC? Yeah, so I have a good question. What we're anticipating is the first that the traffic counts happen. So that's just like the data. Then our engineer will go through and sort of match the data and come up with some conclusions and some recommendations to make sure those intersections are working from all different perspectives, not just one-way direction on the industry, but that they are in a balanced way functioning as optimally as they can. And then we'll make recommendations, I think, in that report to the TAC of what should happen. And I think we would review that proactively. We'd get feedback and answer any questions. So I would think we would sort of distribute a draft of that and then come together before it's finalized and have some good discourse about it. And then we're in a balanced way to try to put it in and solidify and submit the report for eventual approval. But we understand the board's reliance on TAC through to reviewing these things. And we're fortunate with the depth of knowledge and even the expertise that is in that committee. I think we've had a very good reintroduction to the TAC and kind of looking at this. And I think we feel pretty comfortable that we can get what's accomplished. We don't know what the recommendations are going to be. So I mean, I guess there's like, you know, we have to put in a new school or something to make the draft work, and that hasn't happened. But we think that professionally, there's a lot of mutual respect. So we just feel comfortable that it's the way to go. And it's going to meet everybody's, everybody's going to be more satisfied than having this pro and there's a safety factor here with people taking turns that they really shouldn't just push your frustration. So that's how we would see it. And I think that's what's been discussed with the TAC and their appreciative of them focusing and really digging in to meet the time frames that we're on. Good. Sounds good to me. That's all right. OK. No, I think it's an excellent plan to get out ahead of any problems that might exist, especially for the public safety reasons. Good. Just one other question. So with respect to the TAC, did they end up talking about it at their meeting? Or is it just more informally? Or how would they approach this at this point? We had a meeting last Wednesday, and I did tell everyone there. They were OK with that? OK. OK. That's what's important to me. So process-wise, I guess, do we want to take, Tara, what were you thinking? Were you thinking of taking up the role? It occurs to me that if you could give a vote to give them the authority to go ahead with the study and with everyone picking the changes, what's the important element? How important is it to you that the board vote on the release of the $40,000 now? I think we just would like and understand that if we report proactively and then we follow the recommendations to the satisfaction of the TAC and maybe the town engineer, that the board would consider a release. Because then later on, once you're all satisfied, then you could have that vote to release. I think that's what I would rather do. I think you're hearing our comfort level with the plan. So go for it. We're behind it. It's the TAC. And then the other one that I definitely would want on board on what the ultimate plan is, is Wayne, the town engineer. Because in the end, he's the one that's going to have to do the re-jiggering if it needs to be done type of thing. So that's the other important voice that I definitely would want at that point in time. But it sounds like a good plan to all of us. I think we're with you on it. I appreciate that. It's possible that a good bit of your motion might be found in the main body, main paragraph of page 2. The developer won't mention improvements. Almost as something that's clearly the responsibility of the town, as the town, the red town engineer. Yeah, I mean, if, Jake, if you're comfortable without us taking a vote tonight, I mean, you only have three of us as well. But I mean, that's fine. We could take a vote. But I'm not sure the vote is it's going to have so many conditions, happy to do it. But at the same time, I'm not sure it's going to get you anything in the end, because it will be kind of subject to the report being accepted and right with respect to them. That's a good question. So I guess what I'm trying to think on our side, what are you going to need funds to do this? Yeah, what are you going to need? We would like to be able to say what, that the board is on board with this plan. I think maybe a vote of support for this methodology of what we're trying to approach here together, and then something that's soft like that. But I can say, yeah, they're on board. As long as we meet these requirements and make these, you know, we'd be proactive that they would consider favorably releasing from the pond. That might be the best idea. Well, if you're just making a contribution or money, the idea was a lot of credit available to the town. But if you're going to pay for all the improvements. Well, that is what we're saying. We're just saying that we want to make sure it's done right before we give the OK. And you know, on our side. And you want it done. We want to make sure. Yeah, you want it done. Yeah, the residents are going to be to have the other ones. No, we don't. Gets to be roughly $40,000. So why don't I entertain a motion to, do you want to take a crack? Yeah, I think the motion would be to endorse the process outlined in the proposal section of Laura Wiener's memorandum dated November 5, the 2013. I like that. Yeah, he is the motion king. I'm doing it like Bruce. It's simple. Do you have that, Carol? Endorse the process outlined. Thanks for the verb. I was missing the verb. Yeah. Endorse the process outlined. In the proposals, the proposals set forth. Proposal section set forth. I don't really like the answer. November 5, 2015. Great. Great. I'll entertain a second. Second. All in favor? Aye. So Tom, do you want a quick update? That'd be great. Sure. Just some quick updates. We are making progress from the sort of aesthetics of cleaning up the site and a lot of progress on the Vista parks. So the lower Vista park is almost done and just really waiting is about to be seeded. The plants have been spread out and are about to be, so there's some remaining plants still to be in the ground. But everything's on site. The grades are done. There's been some discussion because there was some rip-rap out the edges to control erosion. And we're doing a similar treatment that we did on the other rim-rap slope on our property. And also the shelter's done on theirs. We've gotten to an agreement with Christine and with Clarissa Rowe about the seed mix. And there's some questions about that. So we feel that we're very close to having both parks done. The upper Vista park actually lowered had a chance to get a peek of that today. And we're looking at bus stop locations. It is basically 100% done now. And so that has had a lot of evolution. And other than a potential bus stop that we're going to be adding at the handicapped location, we feel free to go up. It is behind the construction fence, so I'd have to guide you. But we can really show you the finished condition. The seeding of the grass has now happened. And we're hopeful that that can start to germinate and really come in. But the hardscape is in. All the other plants are in. The lighting is in. The new sign is in. The historical signs are in process. I think they've been delivered, but not all of them are installed yet. So we're very pleased with how that's coming out. So that's kind of exciting. Also, just taking down these fences that have been dividing up the, you know, you come up the road. Shelters area, the facades are going on the building. The masonry along the front is pretty much all in. The clapboard siding and the hardy panels are going in. So every day, that's becoming more and more finished. The street lights are in. We are in some discussions with some of the abutting neighbors about areas where we're going to look at some options to control the casting. How the light is cast onto the ground. And in some cases, making sure that they don't go over populettes. There's some new attachments that we're looking at doing that to facilitate that. We have accepted all of the townhome B units. So eight of the 12 kind of units now have TCOs. And we're expecting the final four A units to be TCOed by the end of this week. So we've gone through the punch list. There's some exterior punch list that will be happening. But the interior punch list has basically been accepted. And so while you may see some patch painting and things like that on the sides of the building, they're done. The marketing of those are in full swing. There was a slight price adjustment to a number of the units, which generated 15 showings this weekend. So there's some good action there. And we're hopeful on the sales process. The townhome D units, which are on the front, they should come up the top of the hill. We've been able to pull back the construction fencing because the landscaping is basically in. And we're into a punch list process for those D units. And the C units are coming quickly on the other side. So we're trying to get the final painting, the exterior painting, the landscaping in along that way. So that we do have NEI as the construction office and one of the C units. And as those all get done, NEI's last thing they'll do is pull out of that unit and get those things done. So we are trying to come right along the front with getting PCOs for those townhome units. And it really does make a difference, I think, is from a curb appeal as you come up the road, not to have the construction fence on the right-hand side. And we're trying to get the one on the left-hand side done as quickly as possible. That's coming together. So we are looking at a mid-to-end of December process for completing building three, which is really the critical path for having a project. There's still quite a bit of work to go on the interiors and getting those punched out, particularly in the amenity area. And we're also very close to finishing up the pool, pool construction on the pool deck. So there's more of a finished look that's coming out of this. We are jumping in with two feet into the process of completing the CR documents. Shelter has a draft plan that I think that you'll be seeing shortly that is an amended plan for the restoration of their marketing center area. And we are investigating having that be part of an exhibit to the final CR that basically shows that that will be done and will be done by some date certain in the future that will let shelter determine. But it probably would be in the early summer, we would think. Where all of that work was done, the restoration was done, and the coordination there. Because we would also like to record the conservation restriction of the final and the management plan for the open space as quickly as possible. Now that these parks are coming online. And we also do need it for condo sales and other reasons just to kind of get it all completed. It is a little bit awkward with the shelter still being under construction, but they've made great strides in the exterior, particularly on the backside slope with a rip wrap. They've actually already got their material down. They will have to come back in the spring and do their seating. But that's pretty much it. So we've been working with them, had conversations today about them suggesting where that final boundary is for the CR. So we have a process that's been outlined with the land trust and the CONCOM for getting a draft plan for where those boundaries, those final boundaries would be. We'd like those to be approved. And then we will digitize those with survey to get to the final conservation form agreement that will be recorded. We've engaged our attorneys to engage with Jonathan Book about sort of recording that. There is an agreement asked to form. There's probably some feedback between DCR or the new version of DCR about that. But we do understand from Clarissa Roe, who's had some discussions with the folks that form the DCL or the EOO or the EAAO. DCR is not DCR anymore? No, I was like, well, that piece of it. It's like EAAO or EOO. Yeah, it's like an AM. The former, formerly known as DCR. And there was some discussion about the importance of having the screen fencing, the stockade fencing, which was a little contrary to DCR, former DCR's view of open space and open public accessibility. But they understand the urban environment and through the world that it's played in. So there's good receptivity to allowing that one, which we think is important from the neighbor's perspective and sort of what's approved and what's been contemplated and the functionality of that fence from a screening perspective. So we're hopeful to get all of those boundaries established in the document done as quickly as we can, because we do see that as one of the last sort of groupings of things that are conditions for approval that as we try to finalize our final occupancy permits and run out of the project. So those things with the traffic studies were really trying to get those things done and have an aim to get those both wrapped up by the end of the year. And the affordable housing law review was earlier in the same process. Oh, yeah, how was it? There are 45 qualified applicants. There were more that applied, but I guess there's a good amount of fallout. Oh, OK, so 40. Yeah, there are probably about 100 applicants altogether, but only four were deemed eligible. Only 40. No, 53, something like that, 54, something like that. They do the middle income units as well? Yeah, they didn't want to know. It is also. No, the middle income is tricky. It's hard, because if it was ownership, it would have been no problem at all. But at that, it's like 2,500. The rents are like 2,500. They're not that much lower than the market rents. And yet, there's this income restriction on them. So I don't know. It's going to be tough. Yeah. I meant with some additional marketing. And I did talk to our property manager and leasing agents, and they do feel that they see enough people that they can also ask for income information to see if they qualify for the middle income. That's a good idea. And that they can often fill in from that direction and just require some coordination. Oh, from people who think they're applying for the middle income, right? Yeah, who actually do apply, who do qualify. So we'll have to work on a supplemental process, maybe I'll talk to you then. That's promising. Anything else we should talk about? I think the fence issue has been very interesting, because you've got very different music and what the purpose of it is. But Jake's been very cooperative and helpful with the names and made some modifications. I mean, as I said, holding many different directions that I think the development team has been dedicated to try to be reasonable and meet the requirements of both the Con Con, the land trust, and the neighbors. It's been a challenging process, but it's been a positive process. Yeah, and we're really hopeful that DCR gets on board with what we all understand. Yeah, I think Jonathan's aware. I'm talking to him, and actually I saw an email go around today trying to get a little bit more, shed a little bit more light. It looks like he and Kermit Savage have had a conversation. And now he's reaching out to others. So we're hoping to get those boundaries established over the next week or two. But by after Thanksgiving early December, we have that map done. And then Dr. McPherson. OK, that sounds good. Great. Any other questions or anything on this? I'll just add, I drove through the site on Saturday. And I was very impressed with the Lower Vista Park. I mean, that really, for a long time, as you were saying, I was kind of your staging area for construction vehicles and materials. Just to see the progress there was terrific. And the rest of the, not the part behind the fence that you can't see, but the part that's accessible really looks, it has a nice feel. It's coming out great. That's a great view to him. And even the lower part gives a nice view of the city. The Evergreens and the plant selection. You can tell a lot about, was put into this by a lot of different people. And the end result is going to be great. Yeah. Good. Thank you. OK. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Yes. Yes. Thank you very much. See you. Thank you. Thank you. You too. Yes, I saw that. Congratulations. Thanks, Jackson. Thank you. See you at the rink. See you at the rink soon. Yes. Just to close out on the Arlington 360 update and discussion, one other update is, is so they had mentioned Jonathan Book, our attorney over at Fully Hoag, helping out with the CR. The other thing that I've asked, and I think I mentioned this at a previous meeting to do, is he's going through the LDA and the special permit to basically coordinate all of the different pieces of the project, all the different requirements within those documents, so that we have an ultimate list of what needs to be done, you know, prior to final certificates of occupancy. So that way, when they come and ask if the project is done, which they inevitably will, we can have somewhere where we can kind of look at it, contemplate, and say, okay, they've done these things and the board feels comfortable, doesn't feel comfortable, whatever our decision is, but we can at least discuss from kind of one truth, if you will. So that's what he's working on now. I should hope I have that for everyone, hopefully for the next meeting. Oh, great. I'm not, maybe we'll discuss it at the next meeting. I wouldn't expect it to, you know, do a tick list because the notion would be is that we would have staff help in kind of going through all the different things that have happened and with them work through the status of each item as we go through, so. But with any luck over the course of the next two weeks, we'll get a draft and we'll get it up to folks. Carol, we'll get it up to folks and if you have comments or additions or whatever else, Carol will collect those and make sure that it's edited appropriately and work with Jonathan on that, so. As will I, so I'll work with Jonathan as well. So today's the 18th, so. I think we had mentioned, remember when we had that conversation with him, I think I maybe sent him a quick email just saying, hey, how is it looking for the next two weeks? Because I think this was the two weeks he was talking about when he said he'd be able to get to it, so we gave him a two week reprieve. He was sounding rather stressed about, I don't know, what deal he had in the pipeline, but it sounded like it was hot and heavy. Is this working up more than one case? Yeah, hard to believe he wasn't working on cars after a couple of years or whatever, but you know, I must admit, seeing as I saw an email come out from him today on the CR, I decided, okay, wait, he's, he's, he's, he's bowled up. Yeah, exactly. He was ready to dive back in. Exactly, exactly, so it's time. So we'll, we'll hit him up, but hopefully we can get that done in the next couple weeks and we'll be in a position where we're being proactive before we're not reactive when the developer comes. So that's where I'd like to be. That's great. So, so that's the plan. Anything else on following June 3, 16? Good. Well, that's nice. So I think the next thing we're going to move to on the agenda is a discussion of the work tracking report that Carol was kind enough to forward to us. There's a few different things out here that probably could talk a little bit about. So Carol, I'll let you go through, but don't you? All right. The first item, Alta Burgum's Milk Street Women in Crossing, the special permit for Alta Wood Partners Development called for a review of the, just like you're, you're looking at the Summer Street traffic signal and timing, you are also going to look at the Minute Maid Crossing, the detectable, the warning lights. So I wanted to ask the board if you want to request that TAC undertake a review of those lights now to determine whether they're working as expected. Or working at all? Or working. Sometimes they're not working. They're solar powered and we have had a few incidents, two, maybe three incidents when they weren't working on this, that solar powered aspect wasn't working. And there's a lot of, you know, through the grapevine comments that we hear too. So I think it would be a good timing to look at that. It's been in operation for a while now and to see if TAC, I think it's appropriate for TAC to determine, you know, with the public input, I would think whether it's working if it needs to be adjusted or anything else. Makes sense, Bruce. Have there been any adjustments? I seem to recall that we might have had a change on the advanced timing of it. I think for a while it was giving like a 20 second warning. If so, in other words, if somebody was, if it was anticipated that they would be entering the intersection within 20 seconds and the signal would go off. And my understanding is that was shortened. Do you know if that's actually okay? I think the back end was too, wasn't it? Like, because I think it was flashing for a long time. I thought that was okay. I don't remember that at all. I don't remember that at all for sure, but I think it was shortened from 20 to 15 seconds. Okay, so we did one adjustment already, but this would be more of a holistic look at it. They have started to do that, but then what they observed was that it didn't seem to be working and then there was a, they were surmising that the power wasn't working. Then perhaps because it wasn't getting adequate sun for the solar panels, but so Wayne is looking into that right now. Like, he's trying to get the specs for the light. It's been frustrating. I don't think anybody's thrilled with that. But I guess the question is, does it, you know, do we keep trying to adjust it? How long do we keep trying to adjust it? Or do something new? Yeah, I think that there's a one year, the escrow was supposed to be there for a year, and it was put in place in March, so... We have a little bit of time. We have a little bit of time, but not a huge amount of time. Yeah. I mean, it was the intention of TAC to take it up in September, six months after. But it's been hard to know how to judge it, I think, honestly. There have been a lot of attempts to, like, people go out and observe it, but like, what do you record? You know, do we record whether stars are stopping when they shouldn't be? Or are we, you know, it's just been very anecdotal. It's challenging for everyone, I think. And if you have any particular things you want them to look at, please do let me know, and I'll add that to the mix. Well, you know, I think it sounds like it does some of our attention and some of TAC's attention. When do you think TAC might be able to look at it? I mean, I hear what you're saying, that they're not quite sure what they should be looking at, right? But do you think that that would get on their agenda in December? Yeah, it's been on the agenda every month. I think right now, maybe I'll talk to Wayne and find out how long he thinks his piece will take. Because there's no point in going out and looking at it until it's working. Right now, it's not working. It's not working well, apparently, on a sporadic level. It wasn't working, I'd say. There you go. Was it cloudy? Yeah, it was a little. Yeah, I'll try to get, I'll try to make sure there's some progress by December, December meeting. There, December meeting. I think the board in TAC may want to think about what it is we expected people to do. Right. Bicyclists and motorists. What are people expected to do? And can they reasonably do that with this? Well, where did the idea come from? I mean, I haven't seen this type of arrangement. The recollection is that it came from Bill Scully. No, I mean, what other places have something like that? I mean, I've never driven along and seen something that flashes, but you don't stop, you know. And it's just, it's not very intuitive, right? I mean, for either side, I think, right? And I'm just curious as to, you know, where it's been used successfully. No place jumps to mind. Okay. You know, I think I always thought that the purpose of it was so that the cars would not stop automatically. They would only stop if there was a bike or a pedestrian coming through, or particularly a pedestrian. Yeah, it's supposed to stop for a bike. But you always want to check. Yeah. But I'm not sure it's doing that. Maybe with more experienced people who do it every day or getting it, you know, there is an adjustment period. Yeah. I think the tough part is, is two things. Number one is, is you just don't see them that often. So you just don't know what to do. I mean, I've gone by that intersection many times and I'm still not sure. I think the other thing is, is that although it's obviously in our purview to make sure that, you know, the traffic mitigation is what we call self-flight path mitigation is working, you know, I do think we need to rely heavily on TAC on this one because, I mean, while we can have an opinion on my own view is, you know, certainly we can have an opinion whether, I don't think the thing works out well personally. But I'd like to hear what TAC has to say of what the goal is and what, you know, whether it's meeting that goal. And then maybe we can talk about whether that goal is, is the one that we think makes sense. But, you know, as far as meeting a goal, I think it would be hard for us to quantify that type of thing. You know, we will need their help in that type of thing. I think we'll choose to not do that. I have Andrew with you. No. I kind of jumped in there. Yeah, so I think we'd really like their help to understand what they're trying to do and whether it's doing it. You know, at some point, I think it would be worth it to bring the working group there. Yeah, that would be great. That would be great. And if we have till March, we have a little bit of time, but let's not play it too close. I don't think we would like to have kids used up as much in the winter either. Right, so it's going to be a little bit tougher to figure out exactly what's going on. I agree. I would hope that we could consider hearing from people who have been using it both on both modes, but on three modes, pedestrians, cyclists, and motorists. There was an article in the advocate about it written by TAC, and it had my email address for people to make comments. And for a very short period of time, I got comments, but I have not heard anything in quite a while. And I would say a handful at the most. Yeah, I think it's just one of those things where the first time you go by, you're like, what the heck says? And the second time you go by, you're like, well, I still don't know what this is, but this is my way of dealing with it. I'm going. Yeah, exactly. Well, I'll chime in and say it is confusing. And this is obviously for someone who's supposed to know how it works, but still when I approach the bike crossing there, I guess I'm just airing on the side of being as safe as possible and slowing down if not stopping. But I guess I own a lot. And I agree with what Mike's saying. Maybe we need to sort of go back and articulate what we want to have happen there, whether we want to stop the traffic or stop the bikes and pedestrians. Who yields to whom. And I think that we've always tacked, when I say we tack in that sense, always thought of this as a possible pilot for the crossing at Lake Street, which is also problematic. Yes, yeah. So I've heard anybody say they want to do the same thing there, but I think they're looking for options of how to deal with that crossing as well. Yeah. It is a problem. It is. They're busy streets. They're very busy streets. Yeah. And the bike lane does. And it's going to get busier. And it does back up traffic. Yeah. The bike path. Yeah. Yeah, stopping cars there is very difficult. Okay. Okay. I would want to ask. So you're going to ask Tak, what is the, what is the take home from this? I'll find out from Wayne how long he thinks his piece is going to take. And then we'll start doing observations again. But I'll also ask the working group to articulate what their goals were. Right. And whether they think it's meeting that goal. Right. That would be great. All right, thanks. And maybe we can find the time to invite them in if possible. Should we shoot for December? Do you want to do that in December? That'd be good. What? December 2nd. There's a, what should be a short reopening of a special permit for jumping the gun here and getting to the item 2 in the work area. Y'all know that says December 12th, so. No, it's supposed to say the second excuse. Yeah, no, that's okay. No, I just, I realized it when I looked at it. So that's a possibility. The following meeting is December 16th. And that's when you have, we've scheduled the master plan advisory committee to come to one of your meetings to hear. Yeah, so. The presentation. If Andy's available. Right. I think he was at the time. He thought he would be. So maybe the December 2nd one would be good. Might have a full house on the 16th. Yeah, yeah, I mean even to talk about it, I think a conversation about it would be very helpful. You know, just to, you know, maybe that's as helpful as anything. So, for the working room. December 2nd. The hearing is scheduled for 7. So. Okay, so 7. 30. 30, yeah. Yeah. Let's see. And the EDR, reopening of the special permit going to the next item on the work tracking is for additional signage at the Shell station at 9.34 NASA. That's one at the bottom of the island. That's right. So moving on, buildings. On that one. Just asking. So is there application in? Is it in good shape? The application has their, I think it is in good shape. It has their photo simulation of what they propose. There's a little bit of ambiguity about both. I thought there was some vagueness and the engineer or representative for the gas station thought that the special permit was confusing. It's hard to tell. There's some language about the canopy and what was approved. Okay. So they think they're allowed to have additional signage on the canopy, but we all think it's vague. So we're essentially going to treat it like it's. Yeah. Tabula rasa. Yeah. So I think it, but I think it's a complete application. Good. Okay. Thank you. So with the buildings. We are working on a policy update for the evening and weekend use of the central school rooms and the Jefferson Cutterhouse community room. You may be aware that a lot of boards, committees, commissions, independent groups from Arlington and the region use these, especially the central school building rooms quite heavily. And today it's not staffed and it's created a number of problems. So we're working on a policy for creating a reasonable rape schedule so that we can get someone into the building who can be on site in the evening and weekends when the building is used by the public. This will include four possible private rentals for parties, but it's really to address the need to have someone managing the use of the building during even to weekend off hours. There are spaces that are used by groups, individuals, clubs, boards, committees, commissions. So it can be a lot of traffic and it can create securing the problems that have in the past. I think those have abated a little, but we still have some insecurity about security. Doors getting propped open and people using the building and no one really knowing how they got in or what. There's been some very good collaboration about trying to work on an updated policy in the weekend use both buildings. I think we will, we are looking at a rape schedule. I'd like the board, I'd like to hear from the board about whether you want to get into the nitty-gritty on that or if you are satisfied with leaving that to staff to work out. Yeah, we've met a couple times to try to make it more structured and make it more like what's happening with what Patsy is doing with the town, both the town hall and with more rodents and those types of things. So it's about a little bit about cost, but it's also about scheduling and making sure that folks have to schedule their time in that building so we know who's coming in and that way this person who will be kind of supervising some of these off-hauer activities will know who should be and who should. So a little bit of a wild wild west feeling right now, I think, so trying to get a little bit of structure. So several folks in this group have put together some fees and that type of thing and Carol and I were just talking about it today. I've held it up a little bit, but we were wondering about the board's thoughts on looking at the fees or whether the board's comfortable delegating to staff and the other folks working on those fees. And for information, the folks are assistant town manager, deputy town manager, the director of health and human services who is the department head for a department in the building, nine, eight, four, and has the distinction of being witness to and referee to a lot of what's been going on. So Pat is uniquely qualified to participate in this. Kathy Kramer's advised, I'm moving out a bunch of people. Joey has invited, Joey Klutchko from the planning department and Mike Byte Bowden who is the management analyst and the town managers staff. So we're really rolling up our sleeves on this and trying to come up with something that's fair, reasonable, easy to implement. Well, that sounds good. I don't think you necessarily have to, you know, come back to the board for the rate schedule, I think, but there's an adequate, you know, more than adequate process in place to look after the town's interest with respect to both economic return and scheduling and security. So many for your efforts, I think it's a good thing that you're doing. Personally, I don't think you need to come back to say, okay, here's the rate schedule, approve it or not. Any change in policy creates some growing pains. So I also want the board to be aware of having to, I want you to be aware, but I also don't want you to be sidelined by, you know, going to the grocery store and check out and having anyone. Well, it will happen regardless. So it's good for you to be aware of. There will be a shakeout period. I think some people who are, any time there's a new policy, people, it takes some getting used to. How does the scheduling work currently? We have a book. It's very 19th century. We have a book, something like this. It's a calendar, it's just a calendar. But it doesn't have all the users. No, it doesn't. A lot of users have, it's kind of a down-home quality to this where people have just, They've been going there for years and they just keep going. They're every Tuesday. Yep, they're every Tuesday. So other people will go through the reservation procedure and it takes a lot of coordinating, even on the reservation and not just the on-site at the moment. We think it will get people into a better groove. Sure. They'll start to think in terms of recurring, you know, at times that they want the space and, you know, a cost to it. Formalizing. Formalizing. Exactly. Sort of quality experience too. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that is the idea. I don't know if I'm storming it in here. Or you go to a room that you thought you had and there you go, there's another groove. So yeah, yeah. And there is a demand for an additional space for private celebrations that isn't as formal and grand as either the Woodmore-Robbins House or the auditorium. So there's some potential to provide that service to the community there as well. But like I said, even for just meetings or groups, we need to manage it in a way where we have some, we're managing it responsibly and in a way where people's security is. Yeah, I think that's a huge issue is people's security because you just don't know if he's coming or going at this point. In this way, we will have a much better expectation of what people can expect. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully the days of propping open doors will be a little bit fewer. Yeah, I do hope so. That is a concern. I'm just looking to see if I recalled putting the paving in. Christine Sapinski asked me to update you on this. Last week, Christine presented to the chair of the historic district's commission and the historical commission on a very, very cold day. God bless her. The concept for repaving around the central school site and I don't know if you've heard about this. Yeah, no, not yet. The site would, right now, have a lot of heaved brick. So the intent is to try to recognize that it's an historic district but also come up with a smoother surface in some parts of the site. And Christine is a landscape architect. And so she's developed a concept that I think the board supports and she wanted to get the historical commission and the historic district commission to hear about it and to give her any feedback. So I think that they generally were supportive. They were interested in trying to keep brick on the driveway from Maple Street into the parking. Really? This would be the facade, the east facade. No, not both of them necessarily. Not the circle but the straightaway. Right, right. And it was more like, is there some way? So I think Christine, I left them at one point when they were kind of almost gone around the building. So I can't tell you exactly how Christine left that with them or how they left it with her. That was the purpose is to hear their input. I think the board has to make a decision with input from all. When I say all, I mean I think Jack Jones is important to this and the historical commission, the historic district commission. It is in a historic district. So I think that's generally where we are. I think there was good discussion. I think they understand well at this point what the concept, what the proposal is. So it's time now for Christine and I to sit down and see how they left it and determine how the board should proceed. Do you think we'd get anything before, once you sit down and do that, would you then propose something to them before coming back here, that way to get their input as to what it is you're thinking? Christine would try to revise the sketch a bit and work out with them a little bit before coming back to you. It might not be that bad a thing to do that. Do a little bit of back and forth offline and then come to you with something that's fully baked. Maybe we'd understand what would kind of be okay with that. That would be a good thing. So it will be good. We'll get there. Okay, great. And she's been working really hard on it. Yeah, along with everything else that Sims and everything else. She's been a workhorse. That's for sure. 23 Maple Street, you know that there was a, I think you don't know Andrew, it is the White Mansard building right next to the central school. It was at one time the superintendent's office for the school system years and years ago. And it's owned by the town, the ARB leases it to Northeast Family Institute and it's been out of lease for a while. So we have to do an RFP for that. We also, we did a lot of work to get specifications for restoring and repairing the porch and other entryways, but the bids came in too low. I mean too high for the amount we had budgeted. You got to say low. Do them twice. So much more work. And there are some interior changes that the tenant feels are more advantageous to them that they're a higher priority. So juggling things around, I think that's going to be postponed, pushed out to an out year. So if you're wondering how come that work isn't proceeding, I think it's more important, higher priority work to do on the inside and we'll wait until some other building capital needs are addressed in other buildings and come back to that. And we do need to undertake some RFPs for a few spaces. We also will be, I hope, hearing from the state soon about whether they are going to issue an RFP of their own for the two state mental health organizations that lease building space in Central School. A couple of years ago, they issued an RFP and then withdrew. So at that time they only extended our lease with their tenants for two years and that's coming June of 2014. So if they're going to act, I called them to ask, you know, tip your hand to tell me when you're going to send this out but did not have a call back. I also have to alert the Selections Office because that is not going to be a chance of service. Right. And it might take some time for it to be routed. Now are these different things, are they things that my father was helping me with or who, wasn't there someone who was going to help with the RFPs? Was it Mike? Mike is doing a lot with the RFPs but really focusing on the buildings that are at the town meeting and moved into what is left before the town manager's jurisdiction. I'm sure he will be willing to help on the other RFPs. That'd be great, maybe we could get on his list. He is staying on top of the Schools for Children lease at Central School, for example. So yeah, I'm getting a good help from him. He's very capable and it's been a big improvement since he came on board. Right, okay. I'm happy to ask too. Okay, just making a note to be sure we ask the Selections Office to look for those RFPs. Okay, so Jefferson Cutter House before we leave the buildings item. Jefferson Cutter House needs a lot of work right now. I'm hopeful that we can get a full building assessment done. There was some rot in the east elevation up near gutter and it actually went into the building. Right. Into the building and there are some very, a lot of soft spots in that facade. I won't go into all of it, but it's urgent that we have an assessment done and go on a program of priority repairs and then a regular maintenance program for that building. So ARB master plan? Sure, please. We are at the phase of the project of existing conditions reports. The consultant team has prepared almost all of the existing conditions reports and presented them at a November 7th workshop. We had about 65 people. That's a good time. Thank you for those of you who attended. That was, I thought, a really good turnout. We are still waiting for the land use and natural resources reports from RKG. The comment period was to close November 22nd on the baseline reports from the existing condition reports. I'm considering holding all of the comment period for all of the reports open until sometime early December because land use and natural resources, you want to give people some time to respond to those. You don't want to close other things when you have those open as well. Yeah, I want to be consistent and not confuse the public. So that's my hope. We have to try to stay on schedule as well, but I don't want to shortchange the public's opportunity to comment. One thing that I learned from this workshop was that we had to do staff, consulting team, master plan advisor, have to do a better job of explaining what the master plan is and isn't. So that was enlightening to me. Right. Did you find that? Yeah, I think so. I think there was some confusion as to what goals are versus, you know, the different pieces, right, and what part of it, you know, what you were presenting. You know, it wasn't the master plan. I think that's the issue is understanding and, you know, maybe it's even diagrammatic, you know, that you show, okay, where the pack gathering, you know, and goal setting, which is, you know, make a pyramid its way up here, and then implementation is, you know, way down here and in between you have. And where are we on that pyramid? Exactly. And we're just kind of scratching the surface at this point. Maybe it's an iceberg, right? I think it comes from a good place. I think everyone's eager and engaged and committed to where the town is going. So I think that might translate into some anxiety or fear even about that the baseline reports might be the plan. So I have to do a little more reassurance on what comes after this to know that this is just almost scratching the surface. But also to make clear that it's focused on land use and physical development and not other valuable and important things that go on in this community and why it's focused on land use and physical development. So Laura has arranged for us, Charlie Paloskis and Monica Tiff. It's not two co-chairs. And I believe Judy is Judicum. She's not going to be on the cable program. She's not going to be on the program. That's right. Yeah. Don't forget you. Don't forget your kind of report. So I think that's a good opportunity to try to clarify some of this a little bit and to explain maybe we'll do a pyramid diagram for a graphic. So it was interesting. Quite a ride. The ride has just begun. Yeah, but I think that would be important. And Christine is your liaison to the National Advisory Committee. And Joe Kiro is the Board of Selectments. And they're full engaged. Yeah, full engaged. Yeah. Yeah, I was with Joe at the event. Oh, good. You can see he put a lot of work into it. Great. Who moderated your round-tails? Pam. Pam Hale. Okay. Yeah. So it's good to. We are waiting. Two members have yet to get their notes back. I didn't compile my notes until today. Myself. So they'll be good to get those compiled. So economic development. Ted Fields, your former colleague on the board has been working as an economic development planner since April. And about a month ago, Ted hosted something we've been trying to do for some time, a summit on business incubators and shared workspaces. It was intended for commercial property owners and people who are looking for shared workspaces and people who have done this kind of thing for the panelists. And the panel I thought was very interesting and it was very well received and it was good for them to network together. I think it was very helpful for the commercial property owners to hear why property owners do this and how it's done and how different it is from another model that they're accustomed to. So that made good sense. And I think it was a good project that Ted did. We're going to try to look at some other sectors of Ireland's economy to try to measure the economic impact. The existing economy engaged the potential and look at trends. For example, is a sector on the rise or is it on the decline or how strong is it? We also have a study coming out soon that I commissioned with Margaret Collins on the economic impact of the theaters on their respective commercial districts to try to measure what kind of an economic ripple effect we get to the other businesses from having those uses stay viable in those districts so that I'll be out very soon. There's another thing that I'm going to have to return to when it's back into my mind. So I can move on to Melbroke unless you've got... Right, no. That one was December 16th, the folks from that. Yeah, I'm going to check with Andy to see if he still thinks he's going to be available. We may also submit a grant. Right now the Metropolitan Area Planning Council has some small grants for wellness. There's a list of six ways in which they want grant applications to consider increasing health and wellness in communities and one is through reviewer's zoning codes and we may look at what could be done to create incentives to link to the Melbroke or to create in Arlington it would usually be a walking experience or biking experience to connect to Melbroke or to enhance connections between Brook, the Minuteman, and Mass Ave. We don't expect people to be kayaking. I was going to say white water rafting. But I say sailing. Like if someone is on the bike path... If someone is on the bike path it may be a stop and look at the Brook kind of thing. So the deadline's next weekend. Fairly recently so we'll see what we can do about that but that could be good. I want to contribute to the master plan as well. East Arlington Mass Ave. Rebuild. We're sort of in a trough right now. There's not very much going on in town related to it but at Mass Ave. it's out to bid and they are waiting to get bids in. What we've been trying to focus on is how to communicate with the residents and the businesses and people driving through to let them know what's going on, what to expect. So we're working on a communication strategy and there's been some discussion about possibly the town having something similar to the designated town wrap to represent us to work with Mass Ave. That probably doesn't make sense. We're not there yet quite yet but those are the things we're working on. It's been very quiet actually except for the easements that's been very busy. People wanting their checks. Yeah, sure. Website, are we taking the picture tonight? You snooze, you lose. That's what I said. We don't have a full content. That's what I'm saying. It's fine. Well, I will if you want to. Exactly. Misrepresentation. We are preparing for... Photoshopping. We're going to do a website. I don't know if you're aware of that. Oh no. Yeah. The whole town? Yes. Not just us, right? Not just the redevelopment board but we're going to a different vendor and Joan Roman has been working with Department Heads and IT on a new look using getting a lot of feedback. They're... So that will also be an opportune time for us to review what we are saying about the redevelopment board and post the EER applications which was done at one time. We have done that for a long time. Just have better communication, post more information about the redevelopment board. So I'm looking forward to that. I think that's going to be great. Early next year. Early next year. Okay. And just to review the... Please, let's run down this list of ARB layers on. And if I have anything incorrect here or omissions, let me know. I know you're missing one. Okay, which one? Unfortunately, it's me. I wondered what that look was. Yeah. Tourism and Economic Development. Okay. Another document, but I wasn't sure if that was correct. Okay. Next, you're pulling out is Christine Openspace. Is Christine at Andy West? Vision 2020 Standing Committee. Bruce Fitzsimmons. Broke. Christine Spensky. Oh, that's... That's not a difficult question. Yeah. When Christine... Christine was... No, I think Ted was tourism and economic development. And then when he left it, that over, I think. But then, I think when Christine went onto the master plan, weren't we going to take her off or the other two, because it was going to be so... So time consuming. And I think the new memory was going to maybe take her place on that. On Openspace? On Millbrook. Or I think on All But Master Plan. Yeah, it was the notion. So I don't know, Andrew, if that is a metaphor to you. No, it's fine. Okay. That might make the most sense, because it is time consuming. And when the master plan is done, she'll probably arm wrestle you for. Space and the Millbrook. I'll find a new spot. Exactly. We've got a little bit of time still. Exactly. You've got to wait. So maybe that. And I don't... Do we have to take votes on those? Can I...? No, just a point. A point? Yeah, let's take... All right, except the sword. We'll go right on the shoulder with the blunt end of the sword. Yeah, so I think that would be good, because I think that was the deal we cut when we all took a step backwards and had Christine take the master plan. Yeah. Master plan. And zoning bylaw amendments. So the only one I know... Smiling because our list actually goes from A to Z on our work track. Ah, yes. That's true. You're right. So the one that will be coming up, as I think everyone realizes, I think with the master plan ongoing, that I think brief, unless something comes up that needs it, I don't think we're going to try to work too many zoning bylaw amendments as we go through the master plan process. However, one of the ones that we do have to work through is the medical marijuana dispensers. So I think those will be coming up at some point. I met with Adam a few weeks back and he talked a little bit about it and he's starting a process of going through. Cambridge, I think, is the only community on our borders to have mapped where they intend to put their medical marijuana dispensaries. And one of them is close, not touching our border but very close to it in North Cambridge. I only mention that because I think that I'm trying to decide where they should be in Arlington, I think we are going to want to look to see where they are in our budding communities just so they're not all clustered together. So beyond that, I don't have anything more to report yet. We'll get there. I don't think Arlington is as panicked about it as some other communities are. No, I think we just want to make sure that we get good input from, obviously, G. Brian, exactly, and everybody else because I think that will be important at our meeting to be able to go in there with some good support from the different departments. And clear understanding. Clear understanding. Do everything possible to make clear what something is trying to do has to be doing. Exactly. And what it can't do. Yeah. Okay, well thank you. You're welcome. Anything you thought you'd hear about that we didn't touch on? No. Yes, very much. Thank you. Speaking of thank you, thank you for the four minutes. Oh, you're welcome. That is the next item on the agenda is to approve, I think, four sets. That's pretty much up to date. Almost. Almost. Very close. So I'm going to work through all this to most reason. So the first one I have is May 6, 2013. Bruce? You don't want to sit for this. Laura, thank you. Thank you very much. Laura. I have a question on this. The start time, was that 7.30 or 7.00 p.m.? Were we in the First Four Conference? I will look into that. I think we're probably sitting for because that would have been... I haven't met in the First Four Conference rooms. I can't ever remember. I mean, we've met at the... We've met at the Wood Hartons. We did with... No, it was up here. This meeting was up here. Yeah, this meeting was up here. It was at 7.00 p.m. because we had to leave by 8.00 p.m. for the time meeting. And then the... The only other thing I had was... It looks like we might have had... Might need to add a list of materials over review. Christine's exhibits for the... For the Central School. Central School. And whatever Wood Partners in 22.00 p.m. Mill Street might have been showing us for signs. I didn't have anything else. I'll move to approve. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. One abstention. I'm getting closer to where you are, Andrew. Yeah. Closer. Exactly. Soon enough. I'll go to June 10th next. Give me a thumbs up when you're ready, Carol. Go ahead. Okay. June 24th, you said? June 10th. The ones I don't need my reading list. I like this. Do you want to borrow mine? Actually, since I'm abstaining. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Thank you. So on the top of page 2, that first full sentence is actually repeating the second half of the preceding sentence. So I think you can strike, Mr. Westbyn authorized to modify the cream color essentially. All the way down to applicant. All the way down to applicant. And then the only other thing I had was in that same section at the top of page 2, there's a line that begins with the word tree planting. You see that? It's maybe about the 10th line or so down. Tree planting for screening. The same box? Yeah, the same box, right. Yeah, you see Arlington 360 kind of in the middle there. So on the following line the word is should be struck. In context, you don't need it there. Tree planting for screening is difficult. Tree planting for screening difficult. The only other thing I had was on the first page, Carol. It's silly, but the second paragraph just right before this big space right here. It says dimensions and colors as shown instead of show. You see that? Yes. That's no big deal, but that's a big question. All right. Has amended? Second. All in favor? Aye. Moving right along. Now we're on to June 24th. So in group stand, right? Yes. I think you really are almost here now. June 24th. Okay. I have a question on the vote at the end of page one, bottom of page one. Do we need to state who seconded? They do. I usually do if I have it just for information. Okay. Okay. Mike, I'll defer to you. Actually, I don't know if I fell asleep halfway through the meeting there, but page two, I didn't remember making a presentation about the side and facade program. He was here? Yeah. Okay. No, actually, okay. I remember that. Thank you. That's usually right out of my eye. That's usually my eye. The only thing I have is that I don't think I would have seconded just because I think I was the chair if I don't know. Was I? Yeah, I was. You opened the meeting. So just in this vote right here, I think it was Andy who seconded. That's stupid as it sounds. The first page, just the big box. That's it. I actually have something. Oh, okay. You may have already checked it, but I needed a little help with this one on the second page, middle of the text agenda for the housing corporation. That doesn't seem very cogent. You know, I think it's okay. Did it make sense to you when you read it? Yeah, 941 per month will now increase gross per month as 15, 17, 19, 21 per square foot. Grows per year, is it? Yeah. Okay. Well, there is that. Yeah. Grows per year. You know, you could say gross per year will increase annually from right? Yeah. That will increase annually. Yeah, from the exact. Or you could just say 15, 17. I think you can keep it the way it is. I think you just want to say that these are the annual increases. I think I'm okay with it. Yeah, that's what I think you can figure it out. Okay. So I will move to approve as amended. Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay. You're in. Okay. Make it count, make it count, Andrew. You get first crack. In the third line downwards is document used, Alan, major site planning, major agency capitalized. And then the same error in the vote. Oh, yeah. Thanks. And just one question there in the vote. Do we need to say how many parking spaces we are reducing from 267 or is that not? Not a bad idea. I think that's all I got. Okay. Good catch. I have one catch. The third paragraph from the bottom of page one. Just the date, September 19, 2013. Good eye. I know we're forward-thinking. Well, you know what? Here's the final question. You know what? Here's the funny part. I have the same comment but it's the third paragraph down that you corrected the M in major. That's right there. I did it again. I will be in my flying car by then. We'll have a mono round. Exactly. We'll still be 37. I'll be in my flying car. There you go. A mono round. Is there anything on the second page? Okay. Anything? Wow, look at that. He's moving to approve. Andrew's moving to approve. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. Any other new business? Yes? Yeah, November 4, 2013. Okay. So close. You're so recent it threw me away. I can't be. I'll be here minutes from tonight ready yet. I'm working on the technology. I actually, it's interesting you've been here. I think from now on I'm going to try to, if you are willing to go on this adventure with me, to actually stop us every once in a while to get information from applicants to kind of do the minutes while we're in the proceedings to actually force them that way. I think it'll be faster and longer for everyone. We'll try it. See how it goes. I do that somewhat anyway already but I'm just going to do it a little more formally. Sounds good to me. Okay. Another motion. Because I have a motion came. Move to adjourn. Seconded. All in favor? Aye.