 Thanks Cameron, and I do apologize unlike the previous session. I haven't color coordinated my slides with your hair I hope that's okay, so yes today's Session for me is about running a remote team, and hi, I'm Rob. It's good to meet you all I Live up on the Sunshine Coast, so I'm about an hour north from Brisbane if you enjoy it Who anyone else live on the Sunshine Coast? If you don't come to the Sunshine Coast, it's a nice place to live It's a great place and Me living on the Sunshine Coast has so much to do with the fact of what we're talking about today being working in a remote environment I have a young family got three kids. I've got one wife. I play football on Fridays And yeah as Cameron said, I'm I've sit in two different spaces when it comes to working remote I work in a very small remote team on the block lab team with Luke here and Ryan who's around as well We're a team of three my man Sunshine Coast Luke's Brisbane and Ryan's in Mexico. I also work for for X company It's a sort of a family of a number of companies, but there's about 400 plus Employees and it's a hundred percent distributed and they've been doing it for 13 years. So Across that company an incredible amount of experience in a distributed remote workforce Made heaps of mistakes, you know and learn a lot from it, but in a big way doing remote before it was cool So I'm very privileged to have the insight that I've had from the these these companies So this is XWP XWP is part of that X company group and so a WordPress agency and we do a lot of enterprise Media so very large media sort of WordPress implementations We also work with a lot of large technology companies like Google and big commerce helping bring their feature sets of their, you know external to WordPress services and tools and products and bring them into the WordPress ecosystem and Then like I said, I'm on the block lab team as well That's a WordPress plug-in that makes custom blocks for Gutenberg a lot a lot easier than it is if you have to do it from scratch So this is where we do their hands-up part of every presentation so please hands up who would say they work remote Okay, I'm okay keep them up for me. Keep them up nice and high I'm saying 50% so who's been doing remote for more than one year? more than two years More than five years Okay, we still got some up more than ten years more than 12 13 All right, you too can come down and do the presentation because you know more than me I mean remote where we this is not a new thing I don't have to spend a lot of time with you to explaining what remote work or a distributor workforce is It's not a new thing The idea is not new and it's been touted as an answer to so many different things within business for a long time It's been trialed by many many many many companies around the world and seen failure because you know remote doesn't work We tried that and it just didn't work. So it's not a new thing. But what I want to do today is Take you through some things that I've observed and this is not deeply scientific This is not peer-reviewed. This is my own personal observations and these little things that I've seen like how that was interesting That's cool. I like how they do that that seems to work really well and it fosters something that works well for remote This isn't this is interesting and this is always Good to see because when the term remote can actually represent a whole bunch of things and there's this thing called the remote working scale One to five, you know office space, which is just no traditional office space. But then there's having work from home option There's a remote team in a single time zone or there's a remote team in multiple time zones But then there's a remote team with like, you know, the digital nomads Which are the people that just sort of like hop and skip around the world so there's very variations of remote work and then even the difference difference between being a Distributed company and a remote company the standard sort of definition at the moment that I see is that a distributed company means that there is no office Everyone in the organization works remotely Whereas you could have some companies are remote, but they have a centralized office as well so I've mentioned for XWP and X company is a hundred percent distributed so 400 plus company and Individuals and 30 plus countries and there's no centralized office So like it can certainly work at scale as well like we're doing it within a small three of team of three a block lab It's that's easier, but it can work at scale as well You know why why remote is great for business, you know things like you know, there's we know this sort of stuff So I'll go through this quickly But you have wider access to the talent pool greater diversity when you go out of sort of like geo You know the location restrictions you get a greater access to different culture and different perspectives You know which gives you wider perspective Yet wider market access when you're engaging in different locations and different spaces because you are remote You're actually it's interesting the insights you have on different marketplaces and different Audiences that you perhaps wouldn't get otherwise This is an interesting one and Slightly opinionated may not be the case every time but within remote team members are assessed more on their work than on other things like and and this is a Generalization of course, but in the office space someone comes into the office and their boss is like Rob was on time today. He clocked in at 9 a.m. He clock. He's always on time. That's great That's not really workable. They do you know, it's it's a diligence thing, you know arriving on time Oh Rob's always at his desk. That's really really good Oh Rob's a really happy Conversational guy whenever I run into Rob by the water cool We have a quick shout. He's a really nice guy and those those things are all fine And that's really really good, but it's interesting if thinking about work a team member Performance according to their work. It's interesting how much those sort of things can impact the way people are assessed Like I said, this is a generalization, but within remote work. It tends to be The work seems to speak for the work worker more often than not If things go bad with the client, I can't come knocking on your door take that one I'll leave it, but that's nice. They can hunt you down on face back face book I'd stalk you on Twitter if they like but not hearing, you know Rob come and saw this out is you know, that's a nice thing And for business you can certainly save dollars Little asterisk there because disclaimer you may not pull the implemented done badly and everything like that but I would say from my experience of what I've seen that that operationally done well Remote work and remote distributed workforce for the business has operationally less overheads And you know, you can dig into all the reasons how another time, but I remote is great for the person as well commute is optional I have so we are working for A client in Sydney and we were down there the other week with with xwp and we were meeting with them their fantastic client I was talking to him and One of the guys commutes two hours each that each way so four hours total every single day from The coast above the Sydney wherever that is Sorry central coast. Thank you. Thank you. He's on the train. So I mean like I feel like if he was in the car That's like a dead time, but he's on the train. So he does a bit of stuff on like about every single day. That's that's brutal You know, you have a bit more control over your environments You know if you've got your office at home or elsewhere, but you know, you can make your space your space You know and everyone has we have you know different things that we like and you know You're gonna control the space that we work in And who actually said that nine to five is a good idea It's not necessarily a great idea for the individual and with remote work We tend to be able to facilitate variation in in time a bit more I work for silicon, you know in Silicon Valley in palm woods rural Queensland That's a fantastic thing about remote work is that you know, 10 years ago It was very difficult to access the kind of opportunities. I know that I've been very privileged to access and I know others here as well You know couldn't do that unless it was because you know, the companies that I've worked with and for believe and facilitate remote You know, you can set the air con to whatever you want You can reheat that tuna casserole for lunch and no one's gonna complain And once again, I would say on average for the to the person You're gonna save dollars if you don't have to catch a train for four hours a day I mean if you don't have to live in a city and living in cities fine if you want to But if you don't have to live in a city where you know cost of living is higher, you know There's opportunity to you know impact and personal budget and stuff like that. So remote's great We know that I love this quote here talent is equally distributed around the world But opportunity is not and I think about that a lot And I know I'm very privileged to live where I am and have in you know connections to the people I do But I think of the you know incredible talented people in the world around there They don't have the privilege that I and many of us have and I'm I think you know The growth of remote and distributed workforce in our industry is helping to give access to opportunity for so many people I think that's a really cool thing But anyway, I just want to say like so long didn't read why remote is great for me and People often say oh, you know, you work you work or you work from home, right? Well, you work from your house and Yes, okay, sure, but I came across this idea and it was explained to me from a colleague of mine Brandon That working remote doesn't mean you just get to work from your house it means you get to work from your home Okay, and there's a distinction and there's difference and what that difference is is that when you work remote is you can choose your home Where your home is the town that you live in where you want to raise your kids where you want to be engaged with the community and do things like that and You know, you don't even have to actually work from your house to say that you can work from your home So like I work from an office space Downtown looks like a five-minute drive. So it's not that far and I'm rented with a couple of friends of mine So I don't actually work from my house, but I would say I'll work from my home And I've been able to choose where my home is I've been able to choose that I want my home to be on the Sunshine Coast I grew up there as a kid. It's a great place. I love the beaches my family's around and The remote has allowed me to choose where my home is and has enabled me to you know work from my home And that's a really for me ultimately across at all. Why is remote great? You get to choose where your home is and then you get to work from your home But anyway remote is great. So how can we do remote great? How can we do it great? And I would if I can wrap anything around all of this is that it is about culture and community Not rules and procedures if a company was like, oh, we're gonna roll out remote We've seen the figures and we can see that we can reduce overheads by 15% in two years if we have a if we convert You know 30% of our workforce to remote So these are the procedures that we're going to implement that department that department that department So three days you know what I mean like you know and they they map it all out and they hand over a how-to book a set of policies and procedures to the workforce and say all right execute that and We're remote now that doesn't Yeah No, it doesn't work for me success in remote and success in remote from what I've seen within you know X company and in when the small teams that I've been involved in is so much down to culture and community So for anything that you implement be at any of the things I let you know show today It should be through the perspective of how can we build a culture that is great for remote and great for remote workers? It's not just about rules and procedures And also remote is everyone's responsibility whether you're a team of three or a team of 500 and whether you're like the CEO of a large Organization or you just one of the developers on the team every or you're a team manager to some degree like you're Responsible for making sure that you and yourself and the people around you have a great remote experience Yeah, I've heard people say oh, yeah, I did work at a remote work in a company And I didn't really want to do it and it just suck remote sucks doesn't work I'm like well, okay. Yeah, maybe your remote experience was poorly But you know you've got to facilitate yourself you better set yourself and accept and accept the responsibilities of Working a remote as well to be able to have a good experience Anyway, so these are Rob's six no-fail whales to build a great remote culture and community for dummies Number five will melt your brain, but We have one two three Four five six that we're going to go through and these are all little snippets of things that I've seen that I've worked over the Over the years and the first sort of categories within communication Who uses if you're even if you're not in a remote team Do you guys use hands up? Please if you use slack or an equivalent like a You know company message sort of forum sort of thing one thing I want to say is like don't do back-channel chats about work And this is something that I've seen Happened a lot because it's really easy to do there's a the conversation happening about a piece of work And then you like and I'm like oh Luke Oh, we were doing the the reburning of the shirts or something like that and then it spins off into a You know PM a DM a private conversation and we make decisions We work on stuff and we arrive somewhere and then we bring it back and everyone else who loses that context So if there is work conversation do everything you can to have that conversation In the the appropriate forum like whatever channel is set up for that work try not to do back-channel work Back channel communication Here's another one act like everyone is remote if you're in an organization We're like, you know some people are remote some people are not and you've got a meeting of six people And there's five people sitting in the room and there's one person one poor person on a on a laptop And they're sitting in like I guarantee 100% of the time that that six person on a laptop who is remote will feel Disconnected and disengaged from the conversation wouldn't even be intentional and even the other five people might be trying to like do their best to Bring them in but that that divide that is Physically there it just it breaks down the level for though the ability for that person to fully engage and contribute You know unless they're super charismatic in you know You know some individuals are amazing like that sometimes but on you know for so much of the time They will be disconnected like if there's five people in an office and one person dying in remote Those five people just go sit somewhere else around around the room around the building around the office and all dial in and jump on The zoom or hangouts call and what that does for the whole team dynamic to contributing to like better communication and better flow is Is it's it's fantastic Default to async as well so asynchronous communication shorthand for put it in chat Have the chat happen within the slack channel that has been set up for that work if you can default to async It just if there's a little bit more structure there and this is sort of like it My average experience across a lot of things is that there's a little bit more structure there It gives lets people that are perhaps you know within conversation in group chat like on a call or a video call Personalities probably you know Unintentionally dictate to how much voice some people are given and you know things like that And I've just seen async communication facilitate good work on communication So much better and of course there always needs to jump on off on a call and everything like that No, of course when that when it's required do that But you don't need to jump on and have a meeting every single time if you can a sing a string You know type in in the chat throw there and have your Communication and you're meeting asynchronously incredible value Within that whether it's on a call or in that document all the things Document things well. I like I've seen so I work with a bunch of Project managers and team leads at X company who are just you know world-class And I put like one of the biggest things that makes them world-class It's their ability to capture things that and decisions and moments within meetings and just document them well and you know not not like It's dot-point. It's simple But if it's captured but what they do is they document as the conversation occurs and they they capture the moments They don't just documents that I will call we today. We had a two hour meeting that was it That's a very long meeting a one hour meeting about this project and this is where we arrived Document how you got there because oh man a week later. No one actually remembers that meeting like oh, yeah And being able to refer back to just just good simple documentation Makes a massive massive difference And here's an interesting one This is this is about you know communication But in a specific area especially within HR if you're in an organization doing a remote of a larger size Like you're gonna have to invest more into onboarding. So imagine like you know your first when you've all had a job I'm you know make most of us have had a job. We've were rocked up for our first day Into an office and and you sort of like float around and like you like you just there and and you kind of get your head Around stuff and and you kind of just absorb what's going on and some of the oh, hey, Rob You're the new guy. Oh, yeah, this is what we're doing over here You know there's a physical presence there that sort of just really carries onboarding along and after a week or two You like I get how things work But with remote that just this is not there like if we carried that sort of onboarding practice through into a remote You know environment you pull You know I can imagine a developer joining our team and we sort of handled onboarding like that They'd be like just sitting literally on their own staring at a empty slack Just waiting for something to happen. So within within onboarding specifically we have to invest more into onboarding You know and you know, there's depending on the role depending on the project whatever depending on the person You know that that takes on many many different thoughts, but we need to invest more into onboarding All right lost in translation. This is a really funny one that catches people out all the time It's so easy to make assumptions about the things and the things that we say and how they translate And it's not even always like cross cultural cross language like my first So when I first joined xwp, you know at x company I was a came on as a project manager and I had um, I had two projects with two with a canadian client, uh, rogers media and um, you know, they spoke english or first language english as well Canada I would actually say culturally. There's a lot of crossover even more than with Australia even more than, you know, America and Australia right like And you know, and I just you know got stuck into it. I remember this one day. I used the term. Oh, yeah You know the you know the devs. They're really on the cold face Um, you know really getting into, you know, whatever the works are and I moved on Any guy and then a guy Matt at rogers. He goes, sorry What? I'm like, oh, you know, they're really you're really on a cold face. He's like, what's the cold face? I'm like, oh, you know, like You know the the furthest point in a mind like they're the ones right at the end They're like getting into the work. They're like they're taking the mind deeper. They're like, oh, okay I thought you were making a blackface reference I'm like, no, no, no, no, and I'm so glad we cleared that up But I and it's funny Things like that happen and it's hilarious but always be careful about especially idioms like that Consider who you're talking to and be be aware of, you know cultural differences language differences, but even, you know subtleties like that Cool rhythm and routine Like I said earlier, who decided that nine to five was right like, I mean, I have two I have three kids two of them are in, you know, sort of kindy prep area so like nine to five like really conflicts like a lot with that that routine thing and You know being able to be flexible around that with remote is fantastic um Yeah, but like I can too like like nine so nine to five May not be right for everyone, but I can tell you what's not right and that's like, you know, six p.m. To three a.m Some people sort of swing pretty hard in the other direction like oh, I don't have to do the nine to five thing I'm going to sleep in go ahead. I have just a cruisey lunch and I'll sit down at work and Three p.m. And I'll work through till three a.m. Like that's fine every now and again But I would say that that's not healthy long term that disconnects us from Getting vitamin D, which is apparently very important to us Connecting with you know people out in our community which are awake at normal hours But so like of course flexibility in remote, but let's be reasonable and you know build this is basically like summed up It's like build routine. I know when I first started working a remote I just like embraced the flexibility and I was doing Bits of snippets of work here and there and I just you know Jump over that cafe over there for a couple of hours and I go somewhere else and it was fine And it was fun, but it was really tiring. It really saps your energy when there's like When you're constantly making decisions about what I'm going to do next and when and things like that It's really draining. So when you actually go to do your work Yeah, you know, you've got reduced capacity. So have routine of course, but allow flexibility Like you know, I can go if I have to do a doctor's appointment for my kids I can or I can do the the kidney pickup if I need to or if um, you know for whatever, you know, I can be flexible You know break your day up One thing that I've sort of built into my daily routine like three or four days a week I'll take like An hour and a half break in the middle of my day and I'll go to the gym Like remote lets me facilitate that sort of thing It's fantastic and breaks my day up and lets me do something physical or resets my brain But you know, so break your day up You don't have to like you may start at 9 a.m. You may start at 11 a.m You may start at 6 a.m. But you don't have to do a big, you know, eight hour block of work Break your day up it refreshes the mind and you know resets you for whatever you need to do next um So work home separation For a lot of remote workers we work from home our house I mentioned that I actually have a little office down that I you know, you know rent with my friends So this is the biggest issue for me, but Um, hands up please who work from the who who work from their house? Okay, um, please keep your hand up If you think you sort of struggle a bit with the work home separation thing All right, so everybody put their hand down as a liar I'm kidding. You just may be more diligent than I am but um, it's It's an important thing and you know when you work at an office and you go to the office and you leave The office is there's a great mental divide there that you can separate your your work from your home But man for remote, you know distributed workforces. We this is an area that we've got to be diligent in Because if your work home Lines Break down like it's damaging. Um, so something to be very careful You know probably spent like another hour talking about that thing alone You know things to try but it's a good thing to be aware of and look you don't always have to be on Slack's great. It also sucks. It's worse than email Like, you know what I mean like getting pings at random times like don't log into your work slack on your phone Is an example like you could or make sure you turn off notifications and you don't always have to be on um, like my my My boss at xwp He's just um, he's a great guy and works really really hard and always does really odd hours And I was always like sending me messages at odd hours or following up an email that he loops me in But he always says to me he's like rob like I know you're seeing all this stuff from me at like, you know 11 p.m. On a saturday like you don't have to Like I'm not expecting you to respond at those times I just know when you come into the office you'll then you'll pick it up when you're there But like you don't have to be on all the time So sometimes that that might have to be a candid conversation that you have to have with your colleagues You're you know up the line or down line or something like that. Like all right, these are some these are some Standards we're going to set for the way we work That we can decide when we're at work and when we're not at work and it has to be okay when someone's not at work That you know, you shouldn't be expected to be able to reach out to them I'm scrum like so scrum's like, you know A project management methodology if you're familiar with it, you're familiar with it if you're not I probably can't explain it really easily But it's a basically a fantastic way of applying like an agile approach to a project works fantastic with web development And you know engineering development teams all around the world for years have been implementing it with great success Um, I've actually noticed the practices of scrum And the way the team structured and the cadences within it really working well for just general operational teams or marketing teams HR and accounts and stuff like that And I know so if you if you're working in an organization, which is you know a bit bigger And you've got teams dedicated to marketing or HR or something like that check it and you're familiar with scrum as well Check out the practices of scrum because I've seen it's like really interesting Instances of success where just bringing that level of structure to non project work Really really help like productivity and clarity and getting stuff done Space look this is just about the space that you work in Like sometimes you go to an office if you work at an office and it's beautiful There's good light they've invested into you know good, you know plants everywhere and stand up desks and stuff And I I'm the worst actually for my for my personal remote home office. I'm like, oh, yeah It's going to be amazing And for like a custom artwork up and everything like that and I and like month passes three months past six months I'm like, oh, I still haven't really set things up But it's important that like if you have a zone for work Make it a good space to work because you know the atmosphere and the space and the zone that we're operating in It totally influences how we're feeling and how we're you know how we feel about the work that we're doing How are we feeling about ourselves within the work that we're doing? So many things like you know having good light, you know having you know good screens We're all sort of looking at screens all the time if you can Facilitate and afford a good screen, you know like that that's totally worth it A good screen height, you know, that's not a good fee in that, you know But having it up here is really good. Actually the interesting thing is that This is one of the really interesting things I've noticed about remote and working on remote teams Like I work with I've worked with Ryan for like years and I had no idea how tall he was You just don't know and then occasionally you meet them in person like, oh, you're six foot seven. You're huge I had no idea. I mean, it's just one of the interesting things that you By the way, it's a screen height thing, right? But anyway, so make sure you have good screen height Like I love having a stand-up desk like, you know, do that thing if you're like Variation as well like, you know go to different spaces to break things up It's amazing how often like on a Friday Like end of the week and it's sort of like lunchtime and I'm like, oh, I'm so like, you know winding down for the weekend But I've got this chunk of work that I need to do But my brain is just starting to switch off And go into Friday night football mode And then I just go all right. I'm just going to go and I'm gonna actually go sit at There's a little beer garden near my place. I'm gonna have a Friday afternoon beer But I'm gonna open up my laptop and I'm just going to punch through those last bunch of tasks That I know I really should get done before the weekend and I change my location And it's it's incredible how it just resets the mind and just, you know, you know It vibrates the mind of any to get that work done So like be very have variation in in your space, you know Good audio good air good food all that sort of stuff have a space for focus But then also have a space for interaction as well Like one of the things I do like about my little office co-working space Is that I'm like, I'm not isolated from other people if I don't need it I can walk out and I can see someone and have a chat like being isolated We'll talk a bit more about isolation in a second But make sure that if you can have have a space for interaction with others Work should be more than work So within, you know, for instance, like, you know, your Slack channels and stuff like that Have channels for shared interests like have a foodie challenge Channel have a beer channel have a Friday night foodie channel If you know whatever like if there are things that people within your team Your organization can connect over have channels that people can just talk about that and connect and find shared interests There we go channels for shared interests there we go Shared experiences bounties and the vault. I'm just I'll touch on that momentarily Meet the CEO. Okay. This is interesting, right? I say I'm working at a big organization of 500 people in in Brisbane here And we all work at the same office and I go in and I walk around and I have, you know, I'm involved I'm part of a team of six. So most of my interactions are with that team of six But you know, then I go to lunch and I see those other people and I see there's other than I walk past You know the CEO and the leaders of the organization And you know, there's just chances to engage with other people Within organization outside of your immediate team that doesn't exist in remote automatically. It just doesn't exist Be so easy and I've seen it happen for myself and others as well We when we have not been intentional about this if you don't create space to meet the CEO or just others in the organization It doesn't happen and look that can like, um You know, that can be like loads town hall style meetings or you know fun days Like you know game days or if you can do it like in-person meetups Like Luke Ryan and I have all got together this week around Brisbane here Like Ryan came over from Mexico and like, you know, we've been able to do in-person stuff if you can facilitate that stuff That's fantastic. What it does for connection and you know doing stuff. It's fantastic um Or you know strategy sessions So sometimes you need to go really deep into strategy and you know play some rocket league No, this is sort of like a Once they have something I mean a few of the others at x company every Friday We sort of play rocket league for a couple of hours for an hour or so on a Friday afternoon And it just let your hair down and relax, but you know, that sort of stuff is fun Professional development, um within a remote organization. It's harder to learn by osmosis If you're in office, it's easier sort of like look over you know to to sort of hey I'm just doing this thing over here. Can you help me out or hey? I saw you I saw you doing that What about this or you know walking to lunch? Oh, you know having a chat about what you're working on It's incredible what we can learn from each other just by being in the presence of each other when we're working remote We just have to be more intentional about it So find ways to share knowledge and that could be like anything like if someone does something really cool on a project Find a way of sharing that with the rest of the team Share wins. This is something that we're starting to implement at x company like when something really cool happens within a project Capture that and share it with we call them wins share it with the water organization It's amazing what that fosters in conversation And then it often turns into oh, how did you actually technically implement that? Oh, we did you know Headless Gatsby thing when wp graphic you are like I've been thinking about doing that You know and that that fosters the sharing of information Provide company access to learning resources And if it's appropriate allow people to build time for just professional development Like give them work allocated time for doing this sort of stuff Oh, there we go Although there it is there Well-being so this is Social separation Presents according to a study and I checked this out. So come ask me for the reference for the resource if you want A 30 percent greater risk for early mortality. So social separation Contributes a 30 percent greater risk for early mortality For those you know following in social isolation That's worse than the most other health other health related Factors so being separated from other people Seriously can be dangerous. So within our remote work within distributed workforce something we have to be careful of We have to be intentional about being aware of that and facilitating things to make sure we're keeping our friends our peers our team Safe and you know, this is everyone's responsibility and sometimes that's encouraging people to have community outside of work Making check-ins, you know just part of process like for X company when we submit an invoice It goes to just another sort of form saying hey, how are things going? Um, are you feeling happy about your team and your project? Just you know a part of process just checking in Um on on stuff, you know, are you okay? You know the are you okay day thing fantastic? It should be part of our everyday We should be like intentionally looking out for our peers. Um, and you know for their for their well-being well-being so like Six large buckets there with a whole bunch of sort of things that I've observed over the years I hope maybe there's one or two in there that you found interesting and that might take away But uh, thank you very very very much for listening to me today and your time I guess questions, correct? Yes Yeah, thanks rob. Uh, yeah, again if you have questions, can you please come down the front and get the microphones? Yep, respect to the volunteers who've just been doing this all weekend up and down the stairs Uh, thanks for that. Um, I heard you say number five is going to blow your mind. Oh, yeah. Um, yeah, did it expand? Just click that mate I watched the video I got you but you didn't leave the room you hung around it works No, that's all I wanted Cheers In in the middle, uh, thanks for the talk really Good insight on that type of work environment Question would be so For myself. I'm in an office space job. Yep. How would you Go about approaching, you know, the boss about potentially moving from an office space to a remote base working environment That's a really good question. Um, I actually haven't personally Like done that sort of transition myself. So I don't have a whole lot of personal experience um I'd say like like mostly it comes down to baby steps and making it simple like hey look just a day a week like I mentioned that guy In my colleague in Sydney. He does the four hour commute thing. He said hey, look, I'd love to just work a day a week from work I don't have to go full remote, but if we could start with a day that'd be fantastic, you know So for the for maybe the upline that aren't familiar with it or maybe I've heard bad things about it Like just keeping it really simple is just the you know the best way to approach it broadly speaking Yeah, thank you You almost touched on something in your talk That I think would have been really interesting. You said you get back to it, but you didn't hold the bounties Could you expound on that? Yeah, okay. So we have this thing in x company And we're really, you know proud of our remote culture and community I mentioned at the start that that really I feel like that's how we should think about things culture and community You know rules and processes But one of the things that we have is these ideas of how to slide. I'm sure I had to slide, but it didn't show up But bounties and and the vault and you know, it's a gamified experience But what it is that they basically it's all about fostering shared experiences You know if we have a shared experience like, you know We bunch of us know each other from the word process Australia slack and probably have cross paths But if we had a chat with each other last night at the after party just having that shared experience Outside of work like all of a sudden like, you know, there's a deeper connection there. It's more fun and So bounties are about a shared experience and they can be anything right read or watch a film go watch um Endgame Avengers endgame and provide your opinion on who really should have died and share that in, you know The movies channel completely unrelated to work. It's a small simple thing or there's more like, you know