 You're a veteran and a couple of weeks ago Donald Trump threatened to use the military on peaceful protesters and protesters just in general And this is something that really struck me because this is very explicitly against the first amendment You know, he had Attorney General William Bargass peaceful protesters So he can have a path cleared for him to take a photo in front of a church that everyone has seen by now How do you respond to that as a veteran like if you got the call to Basically shut down a protest, which I'm assuming would happen violently if we're using the military How do you how do you respond to that as a veteran? Do you object to what they're saying? Speak to this because I feel like this is something that People need to hear from especially if you are a veteran like your voice in this conversation is really important I Think probably the best thing you could do in that circumstance would be disassemble your weapon throw it on the ground and join the demonstrators And just openly say I'm not going to follow it unlawful order because that's what it is And there will be consequences to that because it might say in the uniform code of military justice that you don't have to follow An unlawful order, but that's not going to be figured out until you're court-martialed and so It's it's right and wrong There might be tough consequences, but right wrong, you know what the right decision is and that's part of how earning conservative votes I think really starts is let's talk about the Constitution First amendment doesn't have a bedtime You know second amendment I wish we fought for every other one as hard as people fight for that second amendment because you know what when you put someone to death By need of the neck when they haven't had due process. They haven't a day in court They haven't had a jury by their peers and you've given them cruel and unusual punishment as their death something no court in the land Would sense in someone to so no one court in the land would say we're gonna execute you by need of the neck But that happens on the streets in America every day You bring it to those terms That's bad news for the people who stand for existing structures and I fully encourage my friends and Brothers and sisters in arms who are still serving Don't follow unlawful orders. Don't do it. You want to be on the right side of history Based on like your social circles Within the military, do you think that most would comply or do you think that they would actually not? Follow through with you know in an unlawful order because I feel like there would be consequences for them if they didn't listen They would be reprimanded So, you know, they're you're balancing what's right with self-interest and not wanting to be punished So just you know based on your experience I know that you wouldn't follow an unlawful order But do you think that a majority of people in the military would follow that unlawful order because this really set up a conversation about You know, what is the role of the military? And I think that most people who are reasonable agree that it's not to be used Against its own people, you know, it's that's not what the military is for So what do you think would happen in the event? He actually did order the military to come through and shut down a protest How would that play out in your view? Would there be a mutiny? What would happen if we're, you know, allowed to kind of speculate here? Yeah, and that's a tough question to answer because it really digs to the core of Our nation's military leaders hearts and souls and morals and values but I think most of the military do the right thing I do I don't think that our soldiers would open fire And then now you asked me the same question about police Absolutely they they act like they're an occupying force in our own country, but our military folk I think there's an understanding, you know, I think that there's there's more of an understanding that we're here Are the people the military is supposed to be protecting Are here in this country even the people we don't like even the people we disagree with You know, when I enlisted I didn't enlist to just protect Democrats or just protect Republicans Um When you're fighting you're fighting for the people you despise when I was, you know deployed on on my two non-combat deployments I was there are clansmen in the United States and all sorts of people who um, I detest but They're also being protected by our military. So I I have faith that our military would do the right thing and not harm our own citizens Yeah, thanks for speaking to that I know it's difficult because we're kind of trying to cycle analyze a lot of people But you know, this is this has really got you know, a lot of people thinking like what would happen in this instance because This would be unprecedented. I mean the military has been used to quell protests before or at least attempted to quell protests But the the president hasn't unilaterally did something You know to this effect. So it is it is interesting to think about and you know What would happen in that scenario? So I appreciate you speaking to that because I know that is kind of difficult You can have your feet in both camps, you know as a as a veteran and as an activist So it's difficult to you know to try to put yourself in Both camps at the same time. All right. Well, I was also a military law enforcement as well Yeah, it's not something I talk about um as much because I love getting into the meat and potatoes of you know, health care crisis that we're facing ending forever war and military law enforcement is a little bit different than civilian law enforcement but You know, it's a thing I've experienced quite a few different fields that are involved right now and I think You know, I mean as as our district's next congressman as another representative in the federal government I know that there are so many amazing leaders stepping up around this country right now Whether it's creating content that can help get information out there or volunteering for people Or contributing what they can We're just posting about it on social media showing up taking to the streets That leadership gives me help. It gives me faith. I don't think that they I think that we're facing an unprecedented time of challenge and strife in in us history And an unprecedented amount of leadership