 And then the other file from Saf and in the end that was made from Madeline, right? That that was yeah, that was that was from Madeline and I guess Connection yeah, it's filled because I think like was it he when he goes to see or doesn't he? He picks up her hair or something like he Yeah, yeah, he folds it in like I noticed only today and like Anchor chief yeah, so he gets it got the hair gets it from yeah from her office somewhere or something or yeah Wouldn't that how funny would that would have been if like that wasn't Madeline's hair That it was so like one of her other patients and like at the end bond died for nothing Jesus Welcome back everyone, this is Jeroen better known as Dutch Bond fan And I'm returned here for episode three of discussing no time to die And with me once again is my good buddy John from haphazard stuff and today We are going over the Bond girls again this time in retrospect In the forecasting series. We also did a Bond girl thing So how excited are you for for this little topic? I'm extremely excited Yeah, I just came back from Watching no time to die a second time just two hours ago So it's very fresh in my mind and can't wait to dive into this one being in the second time Did you have any different reactions from it than your first time? Did you did it grow on you like? That's what I've been hearing you see the second time you yeah Well different it really hasn't for me. I was expecting it. I the ending for example, we'll get more into that later Didn't change for me much my opinion I Get notice some more details if anything And speaking of the bond girls, I really got to say second time around as well I think the Cuba scenes the honor the armist Moments not just because it's heard because I happen to like her as an actress But I think she's really one of the strongest aspects that is film It's really one of the most enjoyable parts of this movie How long ago like you you've been a Anna fan for a long time Kind of yeah Well, but like you will what was the movie that you saw her and you said oh she should be a bond girl one day Yeah, that was war docks. That was war docks You should watch that one. I did see it. I saw What year was that though what what year was 2016 I think 2016 so it was it's been a while that you right came came up with that and said oh, yeah, she should she should be in a Bond movie. Yeah Yeah, and it was more of a joking jokingly fashion because there's this one shot in war docks where there's a close-up of her face when The the guy would the actor I think is called miles something did the guy that plays Teller yeah miles teller. That's right. Got a place that the main character in war docks He returns home And there's this one scene where she opens the door and they do a close-up of her face And you see her eyes up close and you can really tell it's like a brown caramel Greenest brown color That's when she really stands out. I'm like wow actually said see she should be a bond girl But I remember it was that shot that I was like wow, no, see she looks so good and Then you know like I said before there was this this scene because my my my friend filmed me on my Reaction during the announcement on Jamaica when that was live Yeah, and they announced like all the cast members before they before do you saw them seated and they go like yeah, David Densig Remy Malik and of the armist and you see me go. Oh It happened, you know, and I did not know He filmed me and I'm so glad he did because we were recording some some other video project And he secretly got the camera on to film my reaction because he knew how much of a bond fan I was and you see me go. Oh, yeah. Oh, I was hoping this would happen So it's quite funny because I never saw it coming. I was always kind of joking about it And then it did but I'm all jokes aside. I do feel Bringing this back to no time to die. She's just such a strong presence in this so such a You really wish she see stayed around longer Really fun such, you know, now that I have it fresh in my mind so much cool moments with her What do you think? Like how long like since you just saw it, how long is she on screen for I mean, I think it's like 15 minutes Something like that maybe 10 maybe 10, but she really stands out. It's like it's such a shame when she goes What like for such short screen time that she has she takes over the movie, right as soon as she shows up Wasn't it at like when we were talking about the Jamaica the announcement that day Didn't she say like she had no idea who her character was she she didn't know What she was gonna be doing or anything like she didn't know how to prepare yet because she was on a last-minute Addition to the cast like I guess since Craig has so much pull on these movies now I guess he he must have had an influence of saying we got to get Anna for like a part or maybe it's Fukunaga or something Yeah But it's funny like a last-minute addition to the movie one of the last people like you know about like in the cast and And so far she's like the standout. I haven't heard anything Anyone say oh, no, no, I don't she wasn't good. I all I've heard was pot has no negative things Yeah, you're right. It's and you know, I'm willing to bet I think you've mentioned this somewhere as well and maybe in your review But she's gonna be the character that's gonna be remembered fondly from this movie She's gonna she's gonna be remembered for her short scene as well I mean she was just a secret agent to three weeks training and Supposedly and she was capable inexperienced, but capable And and because I had it so fresh in my mind There's also this this cool moment where you know, they're doing shooting then they're at the bar They're doing a little salute with a wad cause she chugs it They could put the guns back and you know that the music ramps up and it's it's just such a cool moment. It's It has everything it heard chucking the Vodka martini. She clearly never really had such a strong drink. It's just that's fresh as well We never really saw that stuff Um She also I think like that Whole scene in the Cuba bar and and her with the dress and the jewelry and everything That's that's the the one piece of glamour, right and like old-school bond Kind of feeling in the home the whole film the rest is little cabins in the woods and emotional Discussions and all this stuff this seems like okay. We got like the glamorous girl We got the guns We got to make sure to get something bonding in there so that people don't forget they're watching James Bond It's the one scene like he wears the tuxedo, you know, it's it's it's one of the standout scenes in the In the whole movie and I think you're right like when people think about they're gonna think back Oh, no time to die. What are they gonna? What are the what are they gonna think about with about that movie? Oh, it's the movie that Bond dies and the one with Anna Dei Armis. Yeah, the two takeaways. Yeah And You know if you if you have to make one more aspect that seemed pretty bonding and other than obviously the DB5 and stuff It's probably that tiny shot of him When he's in the rubber raft right after that he goes back to London to go to my six Yeah, you know, he gets the rubber to reveal the the Aston from the living-day lights He drives up to the two MI six Straightens his jacket, you know the one that's risky has as well and he he walks to office And that that that tiny moment which we obviously already saw a million times in the trailer anyway But that's another bonding moment the sunglasses that suit But other than that and there isn't a lot of glamour. You're right When when you saw the shot of him in the big yellow raft, what did you immediately think of? The ending of you only live twice and fundable Seemed like they were really going back to that that late 60s period. Yeah with you only live twice I like that. So much of that. Yeah and majesties for a moment And I had the same thing today and seeing it the second time He's in the raft. He's waiting and you're it looks it looks out of place because usually Bond is with a girl And now he just looks miserable like, you know, just had Felix die on him and he's like It's kind of funny to the way he looks like some people gave him a chuckle to see him by himself in a raft You know Connery's always would have make half make a chicken next to one of these things and I don't know if you had this as well, but then you hear the the sound of the boats Coming in and for a moment Even though a submarine doesn't make that sound I expected a submarine. Oh, yeah, yeah Just like a new lift life. It's just like that ending. Yeah, I guess they weren't gonna push it that far Yeah, I know they didn't but that was the first thing popped in my mind. I had it again today. Like, oh, no There's no submarine. It's it's about so like We everybody likes or you like her. What if they ever talk about like a potential is that people are talking about it already There's talk of a spin-off movie with Paloma. Would you be on board for that? You know, you'd think I would be but I'm not for any spin-off with Bond It's not like, you know with Harry Potter or the Lord of the Rings or Star Wars where you can have this universe I think Bond isn't necessarily big enough to Don't get me wrong. She's an interesting character. I'm sure they can make an interesting movie around her But I'm not up to see any spin-offs myself from any of the characters. I just want to see Bond Um, what about you live? Remember like, you know, we went through that with Jinx and yeah Waylin right and I get like people saying, oh, I would have liked to see more of her in this movie Like that. I do agree with dad, but she was she was so entertaining and everything but it maybe it was better that like She she showed up for that short spurt and like left us wanting for more instead of hanging out and Wearing out her welcome, you know, maybe her character could get grating after a while. Who knows but I think it was like the perfect amount of time for For her and she she fired on all cylinders The moment she came in on the scene and then went after she left Yeah, maybe they used her perfectly like her screen time was the perfect length Yeah, I mean they did get a lot of the they picked a lot of boxes It's it's a funny entrance. He's like in one of these Absolutely unglamorous bars like waiting half the half outside in this glamorous dress in and like almost like a snack bar Yeah, she meets up with Bond and you're right from the moment she leaves You know she passes the cigar that's that's meant for Felix and it's like okay Bye, and I hope to see you around and then that hopefully longer next time and that was her and There was just so much into that and and it's funny too. This this struck me today as well in cinema There's this moment where you know, no me comes in from the roof and she quickly kidnaps the Professor then sick the just saw the movie, but I Yeah, yeah, yeah the the scientist and you know, she comes down Mine if I cut it and she's gone and all I'm thinking is ah, no me get out here. I'm watching cologne It's much more interesting and that's the thing with this this movie It's like you're so into and bond seems to enjoy working with it's like, yeah No, no bond is working with the CIA now. You know, he's with cologne forget forget 007 the You know, it's just that's how much presence. He has this You know, I don't care about no me coming down taking the scientist and I'm happy that that you know She drives the car into the the scaffolding that drops down to To get the scientist and I'm like good for her, you know, let let her let her get the scientist, you know Get out of there. Would you say stay in your little me? Yeah, right? So would you say like out of the two? agents that we say between no me and Paloma Who who is the more entertaining who seems to more competent who seems the one that you liked more? Yeah, I mean, that's a very suggestive question. We all know And I I think I can't speak for everyone, but I think most people agree Paloma is just the the more entertaining character I do do have to say though going to the topic of no me Forehand we were Crapping all over our expectations for Lashiana Lynch And I just saw it a second time. She isn't as bad luckily. I think yeah, we were anticipating I mean, there's still annoyance annoyance. I have with her character. There's still some moments where I'm like, ah, you know But that I guess it's also because she just touches some of my personal allergies in some moments because it's just I had it this the second time this time when the scientist goes I could wipe out your entire Ethnicity and she gets this moment where it's like, you know what time it is time to die and kicks her off And I'm I rolling like it's just so how to me. I at least it's so forced Typical writing But a lot I did enjoy it with her Yes, she wasn't as grating as she came off from the initial trailers I'm not sure if that was They were just Marketing it a little wrong like they were presenting her in such a bad light in those first trailers or it was like a miscalculation Or did they could they we never heard anything about like reshoots or anything like that with this, right? And they they're not going to come clean about it You just yeah, we're gonna probably if if there were any reshoots, then we'll read about it like in five years, right? But like based on those those first trailers. Yeah, she seemed like she was going to be Like like we were saying like Jinx 2.0 and she wasn't She wasn't She wasn't like you said as annoying But she also felt It's pretty inconsequential to me Yeah, like not even a significant character to to have in the thing exactly it's Another to you know, she doesn't even seem that essential to the to the whole plot either There's this moment that that got me today as well Just watching it in Norway, you know, she's supposed to track down Logan Ash, right and Bond does all the tracking down, you know, he even stays a whole night in the cabin Madeleine, you know, they wake up it turns out Logan is coming from them You know, you get the whole Jeep chase and then after a Jeep taste bond is the one that kills Logan Ash And then much later, you know, no me shows up in the car and it's like you need a ride She does the Jamaican accent joke again. I'm like, where the hell were you the whole time? Bond could and you're the you're supposed to be the the one that that track Logan that this is not nothing on the show This is just the way her this was what happened to be written, of course But it's like, you know, she doesn't seem to have much relevance in that whole Norway thing, you know, she just takes bond up. She has like she has like the great car and everything No, oh, basically the car her car is there just to provide bond a lift back Yeah, from the from the woods. Yeah, she doesn't cool driving on the airport Which again seems so forced like there's no real chase, but he's he does some some really Sharp turning on the air. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what would With know me what what is her standout scene in the movie? To you. Yeah, I that's what I said I think that that kick is supposed to be like her big moment or not her big moment But one of the big moments but honestly to me. She doesn't really have one Yeah, her in her entrance is pretty interesting I guess the you know some casual fans get a chuckle out of her Getting the hair off and then you know Craig doing like well, that wasn't the first thing I expected you to take off. Yeah, that's got a chuckle in both my viewings, but To me we already knew where this was going like she's not she's asked for the bedroom We already know oh boy now. This is where to stay in the lane thing is gonna go up We know she's not gonna sleep with Bond and you can see the casual audience is being surprised like oh, it's a wake and oh And it's he's actually a 007, you know, that's Yeah, but that's maybe that's a standout surprise, but to us. It's like, yeah What about you do you have a standout moment for that's the thing like it's that's what I mean Like when I say like she feels inconsequential other than like Well, we could talk about the little 007 jokes that get thrown back and forth, but it seemed like the Her big standout moment was like doing the jinx actually a jinx thing when she comes down on the wire grabs the scientist and leaves then of course she loses the the scientist because She she's like they it's funny about them like they were saying oh, we're gonna create like a really strong She's the new 007. She seems quite incompetent in comparison to like, you know the retired Bond It doesn't seem like she she's bringing too much to the table as a 00 Like even at the end on the island. I thought it was weird and I get it It's James Bond's movie. So he's got to do some heroics, but like between her and Bond She has to get get the girl and the child off the island. I'll take care of this and Shouldn't that be no means the double-O. So right the real double-O So shouldn't she take care of like, you know all the big business with the silo door So that bond can actually leave safely with his family Yeah, and you know and if you want to make her I agree with this if you it wouldn't be a bond Climax, but if you really want to make her this this strong almost masculine type of well, it's not masculine, but you know strong and capable character Why not let her do the climax to her do the handle and open the missile side the silo door so that the missiles can come in maybe do her her ultimate sacrifice, but you know Even and I know it's a bond it bond is the star So he's got to like, you know do a lot of the heroics, but Even at like at one point on that island. She know me just guards the scientists while Bond goes running around the rest of the Island. Yeah, so she's just standing there. We're gone as like, isn't she the big New double-O seven. I mean, why why is she just standing guard? Why doesn't she at least go with bond to finish the climax? Oh, we know it's because of the writing Bond yeah, it was the finest tomb there, but it doesn't make sense at all. Yeah, I Didn't think like she she came off as strong as they They probably intended like even all like the little immature stuff about oh, what number what number is he gonna get? What yeah, what like seems like Dalvish. Yeah, like immature and What is she worried about? So She didn't ruin the movie or anything, but I don't think like for me. I just don't think she was as as Great a revolutionary character as they probably thought they were going to make when they say, oh, this is gonna be a new female 007 and that's the rain to me. I mean this That happens a lot doesn't it where they promote one character like no this This one is different and then it really isn't and she just happens to be another one. She's fine She is you know, like you said, she didn't turn out to be full-on Christmas Jones or Jinx or whatever You know not notoriously bad and I speaking of her did you get it as well when she reinstates the 007 number? That was another thing Yeah, I was like, why would she do that? It just seems to make her Yeah, it's like and then plus, okay, right before the big mission You need now reinstate him as 007. What was Nomi's did she 006 then? I mean, I don't understand to 007's running around like it was kind of Shows you that it doesn't didn't even have relevance because they don't even mention even after bonds debt Like what number does she get now or during the mission, you know And that's how insignificant it was but I do have to admit Because this was so hyped in the media and we were so concerned with it Hey, I think they did reinstated as an afterthought later because of the backlash and be Even though it didn't make much sense story-wise it did give me some relief and today in second time I knew she was gonna reinstate it obviously But I do find after the reinstating she becomes more likeable Because in the beginning she's like, oh, I I get why you shot him and it's like well you true That's what she says to money penny like, you know, I get where you why you shot him It's like see see one one ups bond bond one ups her back and then sees all annoyed like I don't know what a what a jerk I'm like, well you you just you just started it yourself and it's She's yeah, I can't stand her in the beginning and I again, this is nothing on her acting This is just the way she's written and then later she becomes more respect. She starts respecting bond more She looks at bonds kissing away his family and she sees he's respecting the whole thing and then she becomes more likeable, but yeah Yeah, so I didn't She was fine When she did give back like the 007 number I was kind of surprised because that was one thing like I Talked about a while back as I said, why would she give back the 007 number? because it would just make her seem weak and It seemed like pointless like a pointless action to do Because as we said bond doesn't care why would bond care about his double like the number That he's given like Craig's bond wouldn't even care. He wouldn't he wouldn't mean anything to him So like, you know the significance of bestowing the 007 number back on to Craig. He wouldn't care. It's us who would care You know, yeah, it seems like an audience pleasing move which I have to admit that pleased me But yeah, story wise if she was and if she was such a strong Character so capable in all this stuff why why not go through the whole movie with her as 007? Yeah, and Another thing is I'm missing the link where she starts respecting bond to all of a sudden reinstated Because I've I've I've made it a point to find the moment today And I guess it's the moment because bond tells her about the lead where to find Logan ash But when he tells her like yeah, you need to find this guy uh Logan ash and and she's all annoyed like Okay, then and then later she does find him and all of a sudden she tells him like well to be fair as sir It was command commander bond that got me the lead. It's like oh, so now the respect has grown It's it's it doesn't seem to be a lot of build up to because she she goes from hating to Oh, I actually like him in like what seems like an instant. Yeah, they're a little um, I guess like their partnership or team up or It it was kind of rudimentary to me It didn't it wasn't it wasn't like a big mind blowing Oh, this is neat because like she's going to learn something and like he'll learn to respect her and all that it It just seemed like you know by the numbers. Oh, we're not going to like each other for a while Then like oh, well, some we're gonna like start to respect each other bond basically Does her mission Yeah, she's and then like dies for it uh, yeah but It in in fact and this could this could be a good segue I thought she was a pretty dumb double o agent The moment when bond is visiting blow felt and madeline's there and madeline is in the bathroom Putting on the perfume and you just saw the movie so you could maybe like you know Tell me if i'm wrong. She's putting on the poisonous perfume And like she looks like unhinged madeline like she's doing like the almost like like stanley kubrick eyes Like, you know with clock or orange or something like, you know crazed eyes And and no me standing there in the bathroom Saying like oh, you okay? And like I guess like madeline's like, oh, yeah, okay, and she looks just possessed And I was when I was what when I first I only saw once but I was like the first time I was watching It's like doesn't know me notice anything kind of you know, she should pick up on this This chick might not be okay there But it's the same like she has no idea why she doesn't give bond a hand She's old she says it's like, uh, oh does he have an effect on this an old woman? I'm like, oh come on. Don't you get the cues like It's like this is the effect. Yeah, and she's just so annoyed with bond the whole time But at least, uh, we didn't get the whole tampon thing No, oh, so like when you you said that, um The first time after you saw it you thought there was a scene where they might have put the tampon in so like where They never put it in I think but I think see you know since he said in the interview she suggested it to carry I think it's in that scene in the bathroom The scene you just mentioned I guess he was gonna go come in and wanted to throw something in the bin. Well when madeline was there You know, I get I mean, that's the only bathroom scene we get where she's actually in the ladies room So, you know, that must have been the moment. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, you probably Yeah, that's the first thing I came in my mind. Ah, this was where she suggested to carry this must have been the tampon moment But uh, I'm glad we didn't get that Anyway, yeah, so like to sum up How would you rate her as a as a bond girl like a bond this in the average You know, um above my expectations, which which you know, I have to admit were very low for her. So, um Not as annoying like I said She had fun moments, but she was Not nowhere near as fun and it's classic a bond girl Which she never was intended anyway, but as paloma Um, but madeline too that which we have to go over as well. I guess again um Stands out a lot more than her too. Yeah. I mean, uh, for all the the hype and build up that they gave know me Uh, I would take pambouvier over her any day Yeah Yeah, waylin for me as well. That's another uh, yeah I mean, she's similar to waylin in a way But waylin just kicked so much more ass. I guess it's uh, yeah So the other character we still Need to mention is I guess the one we should have started with the big one madeline Now we already discussed a lot of her in our story segment in the previous episode but um any any small Summary of her character this time around did you like her more for example compared to specter? um No, not really I I have to say though. I disagree with you here. I do like her more than in Specter in this one. Yeah, she's actually uh, she's pretty engaging in some moments. Actually, I find her um I wouldn't say like one of the best uh actresses, but I grew to appreciate her A lot more than I did in specter. She uh, she does get a lot more room to to play of and some interesting angles to to her character which uh Yeah, I like that. Although, you know, she's now actually kind of has This french background thing, which I think inspector was only an You know an accent Now it actually seems like oh, she's really a french and she actually raises her kid in french and her mother was talking in french which It's not that deep, but yeah, she seemed she seemed more interesting to me more like Yeah, more well rounded more three-dimensional Um, and I liked her acting as well. See what she seemed more emotional I don't know. I see what I found her much more engaging this time around like well to her credit like she's given a lot more To do a lot more time on the screen. Yeah, she's pretty much the central the central character But there's something about her and it's just She doesn't seem very charismatic on screen like when I see her It's kind of like Like a blank piece of paper. There's there's nothing really Pulling me in to watch her like say like you compare her to uh, Paloma Who as soon as like, you know, she came on on the screen like everything lit up Right Madeleine It just seemed very mundane Much the same as like she was inspector. She She she didn't engage me in any way no matter like what they were giving her to play whether like she's uh talking to The villain or she's uh running from bad guys in the woods or shooting the gun or you know professing her love to james bond She seemed very very bland In comparison to a lot of other Bond girls that they've had in the past and I think it's kind of unfortunate I mean, it's great that if you like her and everything, but I think it's kind of unfortunate that Um for such a significant bond girl role You could say like this is the most significant thing since vesper Uh since tracy like this is significant bond girl role They cast her and it doesn't seem like her and craig Click in any way and that that was a big problem With with the movie for me was I didn't buy their romance and if I don't buy their romance or Think that this is the girl that james bond should died for Uh, it's kind of a problem. Um, yeah I mean, could you could you name five bond girls that you like more? I was like I could do it like, you know, no time at all, you know You know, you could easily name like probably like 15 if you want that's it's nice She isn't she doesn't reach the heights of vesper and tracy. Um, even though Character-wise, she's supposed to be deferred real love interest of bond that the new one next to tracy and vesper And I guess you could say she's an updated version of tracy One of the the arguments I would make for that is they both have a criminal father You know, like tracy has, you know, draco, you know Um, so bond always gets in a father-in-law that's that's in crime So that that reminded me of of tracy a bit But yeah, you're right. She doesn't reach those heights, but I do find, you know, I do sense her emotions more like when she opens the box to see the the mask Even though we saw it coming from the trailers and stuff. It's The tears rolling down her, you know, I do feel her more. I'm not necessarily that interested in in everything around her but It does help that we get that little flashback of seeing her as a girl Which by the way that child actress did look a lot like a young Like I say do I didn't look up what the child actress says that plays the young madeline Yeah, but she does look, you know, you could totally imagine that's actually her being young that was well casted It does help that we get to see more of what her life was like As a child and how she grew up and how she became this this damaged mother now So yeah, I'm I'm not as negative as you know inspector. I I wasn't engaged by her at all She was just yeah, you know, she's there, you know, I made this this inappropriate joke about her in my review Like yeah, you could do her but you may as well not which is Kind of my my dumb sense of humor sometimes But I what I meant by that is she seems pretty Average like yeah, you know one of those and here she she lifts it up more I like her more and I'm not annoyed when she's around. Um, and I it gives bond sort of a A real character to care for and protect. So I I I I do agree The relationship misses some of that playfulness like like Like he had with vesper like the pillow fights and the on the beds and stuff. You don't see any of the fun They have but I do buy that these two Yeah, they could be in love. Um Yeah, so I'm not as negative about her anymore it's but I knew going in that like oh I wasn't keen on them bringing her back and from specter And so I wasn't expecting A lot from her. I I didn't think they could Um, overhaul her character completely. They they really didn't for me. Um I mean I don't I don't know how else to describe it, but there's something very I don't know vacant about her like there's something something hollow about That that that character. Yeah, and I don't think like they as much as like, oh she's uh she she she has like this history and um Supposedly has this romance with bond like she loves him Like like like you said, uh, I think in the last in the last episodes like all of a sudden They were in love inspector like right when he's like, you know strapped to the chair and everything Yeah, it didn't seem like and any kind of evolving Relationship between those two and I know you can you can make the argument too like, you know Well, like him and his romance with vesper I mean, how long were they in montanegro? And all of a sudden these two love each other I know it's like it's it's it we're speeding down the highway pretty fast with like, you know, these relationships But at least I could I enjoyed watching those two characters interact Yeah, with vesper and bond you can pinpoint the falling in love bit a lot more which I think comes in the shower when you know That's oh, yeah. Yeah, like when he comforts her. Yeah, that's yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, and here it's Yeah, you're right. There isn't really this moment where like Out of the and you just saw it you just saw it. What was the great like Or a memorable moment between those two like a romantic moment between well, I find um The moment when bond comes back to norway after just hearing from blow felts That you know, madeline didn't betray you. I did it was all me james. It was all me james Which I can't believe bond fell for that and didn't question for a second like oh, maybe maybe hey Maybe madeline got framed, you know that Because it seems in the car When he's ready to give up in the pre title sequence. He looks at madeline And and he's and she's like do something james do something you see in his eye Okay, like there seems to be a moment of doubt like maybe he does trust her But nope, he puts her on a train anyway, you know get away with this girl and he betrayed me But then I find the moment strong where he comes back in norway and he confesses to her in her house like You know, I I truly love you and I will love you again and You know, I don't regret a second of Seeing you like Five it felt like five minutes of my life But the only thing I regret is the moment on the train and it doesn't necessarily reflect much on leia's acting But I think the way craig delivered that Despite being very unbonding It was convincing to me like he has his tongue on his uh, you know Yeah, to me that's Didn't seem as melodramatic as it might have looked on paper. That was pretty powerful to me that cabin scene And I and I haven't seen this like I haven't seen the movie in like two weeks But in the cabin scene One question. Do they have sex in that again? No, I don't think so because the child is um, that's what I thought. Yeah Yeah, it doesn't it's not implied that they do it again Yeah, because initially like we said, oh the only sex was in matera between those two right Uh, I couldn't remember as like no, I don't think they had sex It didn't seem because like they they had the kid right down stairs Uh, yeah, he sleeps in the same bed with her though, right? Yeah Yeah, and and actually wakes up to to matilda like and she says in french that she's hungry and craig looks at her like, oh boy um When you watch this again Okay, um They haven't seen each other in five years and all this and like they're gonna start Uh, he he trusts he's gonna trust her or begin trusting her more Why does she say that it's not his child? That matilda is not her child. What what do you make of that? What is that all about? Yeah, I think See, um She wants to protect bond from you know, or Hey, she's afraid bond's gonna, you know, pull the parachute and get out of there like, whoa You didn't tell me any of this You know, she doesn't know, uh, what bond is going to do with the information So I guess he does he's too afraid maybe to Mention it but then later saffin mentions it to him It is confusing and it and it's it's also Today it got the audience behind me because I could hear them talk, you know casual audiences like um And she does the line don't worry. It's not yours and and I could hear a woman behind me like like, oh Oh, that's good. You can hear them like, oh, it's not his And it's like while it is lady Yeah, he is in fact a father That is a um I think it's one of those lines in the series that I'm gonna Just be scratching my head over Forever. I don't understand why she doesn't It also might might also be more for us As the audience to keep the secret for a little longer Uh, that that in fact it is Bond's child But why not say it again? You know immediately when when she pops up and the little toy comes down the stairs like, yep, this is this is yours For them. Well, like why so are they is this really um What kind of love is between these two if like he's she's still she's He says okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna trust you from now on essentially like at the cabin And she she lies to him again Yeah It's kind of strange. I I don't really understand I I mean, yeah Maybe people have some theories about it, but I I just don't understand what for just to get a cheap joke of like Uh, what I got to show you some what not another child is was that the reason for her to say that you could still make that joke Even if it is or uh, it would probably be just as funny. So it's true. Um, yeah It was it was strange I I'll have to watch it. Uh, obviously I'll watch the movie again at some point, but I I just didn't understand That like why she wouldn't just say it. Um, there's a lot of confusing stuff in the movie Yeah But like, um, I want to add like you think like we've covered all the Bond girls There's a fourth one that we should talk about which you just kind of brought up There is He's got a daughter. Oh the daughter. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's a model, isn't she? She is a technically there was there was a meme some of a friend of mine made where it's like the Bond girl you were hoping for and you see the end of the Armors and then the Bond girl you get and then you see Matilda like with the little cut of play It's like, yeah Um, we could we could discuss her as well Yeah, as well. Like we already start touching on her anyway. Yeah, take her away. You know, we think of Matilde Matilde I I do you know, they did cast a cute child for um, the writing what it was fun despite it's being very unnatural to us to watch Bond cut an apple in the morning and take care of this child Yeah, um, how great would that have been if he started mixing her a martini? Would have actually you know that could have been that could have worked and you could have seen Matilde like what are you doing? May as well start the day with something strong This is another thing. I'm not as negative about that The child I mean fair enough. This is the last of the great movies You know if you're gonna do it you can only do it here because imagine Starting a new Bond movie where you already have this baggage of him having a child and being a family guy so but I did like what they did With the few moments he's in especially the the the thing that touches me. I guess a little bit is Again, I cannot imagine other Bond actors doing this But when the the cuddle the when you were the stuffed animal went that that's on the floor in the Do-do. Yeah That's in the villain layer and Bond picks it up and looks at it Even though he didn't get to bring it to her but still it is heartwarming, I guess You can see in Bond's eyes like he needs this is his job now. There is a new responsibility for him to protect Also in the saffron scene where he does the weird bowing, which I'm still not a fan of by the way Where he seems to be begging for him, but Most of it. Yeah Matilde Yeah Pretty pretty decent There were there was this fairy that she was named Matilda because of roll down. I think that's a bit far-fetched, but Anyway, what do you make of her? I'm very curious. Here it is actually She I I thought um the whole idea of like, um Okay, a child. All right. I think they added Matilde to give The relationship between him and Madeline more weight She she she kind of like uh, they added that The child element to weigh the scale down a little bit more saying like, oh see look he he's got a lot going He's got to sacrifice a lot. He does want to risk killing Matilde and Madeline. He's got to like you know die on that island I I think they yeah, they added that just because they knew It It was going to be tough to convince us Madeline was something or someone to worth dying for He said well, we got to do something else. Let's give her a kid. Let's give her bonds kid now Now like, you know, uh, that's gonna add some some weight to this decision that he's got at the end And uh, we'll uh, it'll be a lot more Convincing like that's that's the choice he's got to make um, so I I didn't really think too much of The uh, the dog it's funny because like after the ending Uh, the daughter thing is almost like forgotten. I mean Uh, the big ending with him, which I never thought I would see like, you know James Bond dying holding a stuffed bunny like it's weird um But uh Yeah, I think it was just uh just to Provide a little bit more emotional weight that Madeline wasn't uh bringing to the table Yeah, and so like I didn't I didn't think too much of it Um, okay, you just saw it There was one little scene after norway. I didn't get The the kid's saying something about do mosquitoes have friends Was it the mosquitoes? At first I didn't at first I thought she she she was talking about like There was little nano bots on her or something like uh, what what what what is the mosquito thing was her Was there some I missed I I didn't understand where that came from. I like what is she talking about? No idea I really don't have an idea. It's I saw it again just now, but I think it's just a throwaway line. I guess it's um Which you know, she's a child so she could have lines like that. She just seems to be you know saying innocent stuff Like do mosquitoes have friends and then and then in french madeline answers with I I don't know and And then the cars come up from the jeeps the uh the land rovers whatever But I don't think it has any I didn't even think of nano bots or yeah I thought like maybe she she was getting nano bots on her from bond or something like I was like, oh, is that what she thinks that is like it's mosquito like, but I guess not she's Yeah Oh um well um out of the uh The bond girls in this movie paloma gets all my applause Hello my days