 This 10th year of Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners. Thanks to all of you, including John Atwood, Pat, and DeGrasia A. Daniels. Coming up on DTNS, Bode from the Kilowatt podcast tells us the hot EV trends he saw at CES and how satellite internet is poised to sweep across the world. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday the 13th of January 2023 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. From Columbus, Ohio, I'm Rob Denwood. Drawing the top tech stories from Cleveland. I'm Len Peralta. I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. And joining us, the host of the Kilowatt podcast, Bode Grimm. Welcome back. Hello. Thank you so much for having me back. Thank you for surviving CES and making it back. Oh, I loved CES. It was great. Yeah. Dude, your feet are okay. No feet issues. Good. No feet issues. That's great. Well, I can't wait to talk to you about what you saw there, so let's get right in to... Oh, by the way. Yes, we know Twitter third party apps are having a problem, but we don't know what it is either. So if we find out, we'll tell you here are the rest of the quick hits. Reuters sources say the cyberspace administration of China and other Chinese regulators could allow DD Global to resume new user registration and relist its 25 banned mobile apps as early as next week. Sounds like China is relaxing on the tech as China's government eases those restrictions. It's also adding a slight bit of control. The government cyberspace administration also acquired 1% of Alibaba and got a board seat on January 4th. China's government had already acquired stakes in Weibo, the messaging company, and ByteDance subsidiary Duyan Information Service. It's in talks with Tencent to acquire a similar 1% stake in one of its domestic subsidiaries. YouTube confirmed to the Wall Street Journal that it is in talks to create a hub of free ad support of TV channels. YouTube told the Journal that it is running a test of such a service for a small number of users. Lionsgate, A&E Networks, and Filmrise apparently are among those participating in the test. If they move forward, it could launch later this year. Now y'all probably heard that Tim Cook got a pay cut. Here's what happened and why in case you don't want to be misled by certain headlines. Cook makes $3 million a year. That's actually his base salary. He's going to get that no matter what. That didn't get cut. He also can get a bonus of up to $6 million. That is also unchanged. He's probably going to get that bonus. What is changing is the stock he gets awarded. That's the largest part of those big numbers you hear. According to a Thursday filing, the amount of stock that he could get will fall from $75 million worth of stock in 2022 to $40 million worth of stock this year. And the percentage of that stock that is linked to Apple's performance is going up. The amount he wouldn't get if Apple performed badly. So the amount linked to performance will rise from 50% last year to 75% this year. According to the Financial Times, there was some concern about the increasing amount of equity that Cook was getting. The value of his pay because of stock rose 500% between 2020 and 2021. Filing said the adjustment was made because of shareholder feedback and I quote, a recommendation from Mr. Cook to adjust his compensation in light of the feedback received. The filing also noted there was, and I quote again, overwhelming support for Mr. Cook's exceptional leadership. Nvidia broadcast added a new eye contact but made a feature which uses algorithms to overlay simulated eyes on a person's face to make them aligned with their camera. Eye contact will try to match eye color and automatically disconnect if you look too far away. Apple offers a similar feature in FaceTime and Microsoft added a feature to Windows 11 for PCs with neural processing units. Medium has launched its own mastodon instance at me.dm. It began testing the instance with a few of its authors and eventually make it a perk if you're a paying member of Medium. Medium claims this will offer users reliable infrastructure, consistent moderation, an interesting local feed, and a shorter domain name for sharing. As part of the instance, Medium will create a sign up with Medium interface to ease on boarding. Don't forget, Medium started by former Twitter co-founders. And that is a look at LiquidKits. Alright before we get into EVs, let's talk a little bit about satellites. Satellites in low earth orbit are close enough to handle fast internet connections and the promise has always been that they could provide internet everywhere on earth. The holdup has been the cost, costs a lot to get them up, costs a lot to get the service going, but the idea is like once you make it ubiquitous those costs would start to come down. The war in Ukraine may be helping satellite internet get over that hump. The Economist's tech podcast Babbage had an episode this week discussing how SpaceX's Starlink satellites have become the main means of transmitting info for Ukraine's military. Why SpaceX, Rob? Well SpaceX brought down the cost of rocket launches making launching lots of satellites more cost effective. Starlink has 3500 satellites in orbit and aims to eventually have 2240,000. The Falcon 9 rocket can launch 50 Starlink satellites at once and SpaceX's Starship rocket can do 400 satellites at once and costs less than it does with the Falcon 9. So they're able to do it cheaper basically, that's what's going on. Starlink's commercial service has seen slow adoption though. Even at $600 they're losing money on each piece of equipment they sell people and they haven't got as many people to sign up as they'd like. However, two days into the war in Ukraine last year the country's Minister of Digital Transformation asked Starlink for help and within a couple days of that receivers were rolling into the country. Starlink's reception dishes are small enough and rugged enough to go mobile and the army has taken advantage of that. They can be powered off cigarette lighters and batteries which means citizens can use them sometimes even in places where there's power outages. Ukraine has added them to drones for piloting and for showing live video and because of the connection coming from space anyone can take advantage of the 100 megabit per second connection as long as they have a receiver and some battery. As a result communication has become ubiquitous within the army. What was once available to senior officers, satellite transmissions from big expensive satellites is now available to every soldier who has a phone. In all this usage in Ukraine has demonstrated the benefits of space based internet especially for militaries. In fact Starlink has created StarShield a division that markets its products to government militaries and Starlink isn't the only company getting into the business. Jeff Bezos' Khyper has plans to launch a network and one web owned by an Indian company in the UK government has launched its own satellites. Technologies are also looking at launching their own system since they want to control them. Taiwan is in talks with investors, Russia announced plans to launch 270 satellites and China is well along in its plans. Yeah, China has plans to launch 13,000 low earth orbit satellites. The effort is centralized under the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation's Giao Wang entity. While it is now and will likely remain state controlled, they are getting dozens of private startups to act as suppliers. Most of the world estimates that around two dozen satellite constellation projects are underway in China. Galaxy Space is one of the most successful, it's already a unicorn, says it can offer speeds five times faster. But Chinese automaker Geely is also in a month game. They've got a few satellites up in orbit already and they're planning to offer service to the centralized entity. Two percent of Starlink users are outside of North America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand. This leaves a large part of the world open for the Chinese owned internet service to eventually get traction. We're talking Latin America, Southeast Asia and Africa. We're going to have a lot of people competing. We're going to have a lot of militaries putting these services up. The military put up GPS, which now is used by everybody and is also, you know, been replicated with Galileo and Glonass and then things like that. Some more often end up developing technology that advances everybody's uses. Here we have both at work. I'm curious what y'all think, Bonnie, let's start with you. Do you think this looks like we're going to end up with just fast connections from space for everybody? If you can put it on the back of a drone and you can still fly and you can still get internet, then yes, I think so, yes. My family back in Alaska is actually using, or some of them anyway, are using, oh man, I just blanked Starlink. My family back in Alaska is using Starlink. So yes, I hope so. Like as a person who grew up in a very rural area where you didn't get a lot of any modern convenience, I think that this is a good thing overall. Rob, what do you think? So yeah, I think a couple of things. Number one, this is a new type of space race. We are getting back into that. But I think that we eventually are going to get to the point to where we're living in like a Star Trek world to where you literally can just pull out your tri-quarter and you have connectivity pretty much anywhere on earth. I think this is brilliant. I've actually just within the last probably six or seven years had co-workers who lived in remote areas and they had to use like site to site microwave to get high speed internet just because there was just no cell service out there, there was no broadband service. So I do see Starlink and other companies like it actually just making internet access more available to more people and it looks like at less cost. It's it's expensive, but it's not as expensive necessarily as having somebody dig a trench to bring broadband to your house. Thing is, if all of these start to take off, there's going to need to be coordination because, yes, low earth orbit is big. But when you've got multiple services with tens of thousands of satellites, you don't want them to run into each other. One of the advantages of this kind of service is it's hard to take out with a missile. If you just have one Telstar satellite broadcasting, you could you could conceivably shoot that down. That was a worry during the Cold War. If you try to shoot a missile into a crowd of, you know, 20,000 Starlink satellites. Well, yeah, you could have an effect, but you're not going to bring the whole network down. However, you could create enough debris that it causes everybody's satellite to have problems. So there's there's going to be there's going to have to be some kind of international cooperation on this. Yeah, Space Junk is becoming a real problem to where there's just I mean, there's literally thousands of pieces of metal just floating around. And space is a big place, but Earth is not a big planet. And you know, low earth orbit around us is I mean, it's quite easy to run into stuff. And that stuff and that actually happens fairly regularly. Yeah, when when Russia tested a missile bringing down one of their own satellites, there was a lot of anger over them, you know, breaking the word, breaking treaties, possibly, et cetera, et cetera. There was plenty of worry about like, we don't care whether you broke your word or a treaty or anything else. You just created a bunch of debris and a bunch of headaches for a bunch of other people because you did that. So it's it's a big it's a big part of this, too. Wednesday, the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board chair, Jennifer Hommandy, told the Transportation Research Board in her keynote address. I'm concerned about the increased risk of severe injury and death for all road users from heavier curb weights and the increasing size, power and performance of vehicles on our roads, including electric vehicles. A V's can be heavy because of their batteries. The Ford F one fifty lightning is 2000 to 3000 pounds heavier than is non electric version. The GMC Hummery V has a curb weight of 9,053 pounds. Its battery pack weighs as much as a Honda Civic. And that's a problem. Yes, because a heavier vehicle causes more damage in a crash. And if you got two heavy vehicles, that's a lot more damage because they're both heavy. And then that is made more complicated by speed because the faster they go, the more damage that happens there. Vehicle power has increased 20 percent since 2004, meaning you've got more potential speed, not just more potential weight. A vehicle's kinetic energy is equal to half its mass multiplied by the square of its speed. So, Rob, would you like to do the math? Well, I would do it. But fortunately for us, A.R.S. Tectica's Jonathan M. Getland did the math for us. A four thousand pound light duty truck delivers 112 kilojoules of force at 25 miles per hour, increase speed 40 percent to 35 miles per hour. And you get an increase of force of 96 percent to 220 kilojoules. So, Bodie, is this really a problem or is it a problem just for trucks and hummers? I OK, so I'm going to preface all this with saying that I don't want to see anybody get hurt or die. Sure. So I'm going to go maybe to some darker places here. We would car accidents happen all the time. It could be a semi truck versus a regular car, a train, a bus. These things happen all the time. And it will always surprise me on how much damage is done to the vehicle and how the person who was in those vehicles or the people who were in those vehicles were able to either survive or come out uninjured. So this is all of this depends on, like you said, speed of the car. Where was the impact? Where were the people sitting? What are the size of the vehicles involved? Were they wearing their seat belts to the airbags deploy safely? Was there already damage to the car before the accident? All this stuff plays a factor in this. And just to say that, you know, there's a good chance if a GMC Hummer hit a smart car that's not going to be so good for the smart car. But in reality, we don't know, because weird things happen all the time. I was actually on a call a couple of years ago where a BMW ran through stoplight and hit a pickup truck. And unfortunately, the driver of the pickup truck died, but it separated the cab from the bed. Like it was it was a horrific accident. And the cab was a long way away from the bed. And the BMW actually continued on and hit a brick wall. The people in that car, while they were injured, they weren't seriously injured. So all of this stuff is is almost like magic. You know, you don't even you don't know what is going to happen. You can guess, right? But you'll you'll you'll just respond to accidents that you think, oh, this is going to be a normal accident and it's small. And then, you know, you might have a fatality or somebody seriously injured safety equipment adds to the weight. Maybe not as much as batteries do, but you know, yeah. The the Ars Technica article makes a good point of talking about how even the weights of things like, you know, not PT Cruiser, maybe PT Cruiser. But you know, those small little cars has been good. Mini Cooper, I think, is what they were talking about has been going up. I think what Jennifer Hamedy is saying is not we shouldn't make EVs, but she's saying these increased weights are going to make things just that much more dangerous. And we need to think about that. We need to think about is there a way to bring down the weights and still have the power efficiency? Are there other things we have to do? It's not that well, you've got heavier cars and a bunch more people are going to die. It's you know, it's dangerous enough out there already. This is something we should also be thinking about in addition to all the other safety concerns we think about. Yeah, and these cars, I'm sorry, Rob, go ahead. Look, I was just going to say, I wonder if part of this, too, is that is it really everything or is it just that we when you start looking at that Hummer, I think weighs almost 10,000 pounds. That is different than the Ford Granite. The the F 150 is much heavier than a non electric F 150, but it's not over 9000 pounds. It's so is this really a Hummer thing or is this a all trucks thing? I I still don't think it's a it's an anything thing. I think that these there's so few Hummers on the road right now. And even when they get up to full production, there's going to still be not that many. It's a very expensive vehicle. Now, that's not to say that we shouldn't be worried about concern or concerned about accidents. I agree 100 percent with this person. We should be thinking about it. But modern cars are already designed to absorb the impact so that the energy from that impact goes around the cab. And and there's crumple zones and the cars when they get an accident nowadays, they just look like they're just beat the heck. And the reason why is because that's that's how they absorb that energy to keep the occupants in the car safe with the addition of airbags and stuff like that. To your point, Rob, the 93 Mini Cooper was one thousand four hundred pounds. The 2023 electric Mini Cooper SE three thousand one hundred forty four pounds. So the weight issue for everybody, the weight issue is going to be there for for a lot of cars, not not just for trucks. But yeah, whether that is as significant of an issue or not, as all these other things. Yeah, I'm listening to you, Bode, hopefully it's it's it's something we're we're adapting to and that we're we're planned for with our current safety measures. Hopefully technology and these new SUVs will be there so that they can help you avoid accidents, you know, or at least avoid more of them. I know that that's never going to be a complete, you know, remedy. But hopefully when these things are giant robots driving each other, they will know how to not hit each other. I agree. Yeah. Well, folks, let's lighten things up and chat away on social about what we had for lunch. You can get in touch with us and the rest of the DTS crowd at DTS show on Twitter, DTS show on Twitter, available on your third party app whenever it comes back, daily tech news show on Tiktok and DTS pics. DTS P I X on Instagram. Tesla cut prices of its vehicles by up to 20%, depending on which model you're looking at this week. There are loads of reasons why they did that, of course, but one of them is competition. There are more competitive EVs out there than ever. And you could see a lot of them at the Consumer Electronics show last week. Everyone from big automakers like Ram and Mercedes Benz to a bunch of startups had something on offer. Bodie walked the floors looking over the latest EV developments. Bodie, what are some of the things you found most interesting? Well, first of all, last time I was on, we talked about Vin Fast, which is a Vietnamese company that brought an electric car to the United States within a year. They they actually delivered 999 in 2022. So it's pretty impressive. They released the specs for the VF 6 and the VF 7, which are the more affordable models of the Vin Fast SUV line for the electric vehicles. And I was able to take I was able to drive the VF 8, which is their bigger sedan or excuse me, the bigger SUV around a tiny course outside of the West Hall. And it was it was a lot of fun. That car was a lot of fun to drive. Unfortunately, the range might not be exactly what you would want for a fifty seven thousand dollar vehicle. The range, according to the EPA here in the United States, is one hundred and seventy eight miles. Vin Fast is saying two sixty. I don't know exactly who to believe, probably the EPA. All right. So so Vin Fast is still real. Still still an option out there. That's good to know. What about the reality of solar powered cars? We've talked about Lightyear before as well. Yeah, Lightyear is a Dutch company. And I was talking one of the reps, you know, and I was like, Hey, you know what, I think this is a cool car. But I'm super disappointed that this thing is so expensive. And he said, Well, we only built this car so that we could build the more affordable car, the Lightyear, too. And that is what spurred me to actually get an interview with this guy because it changed my old perspective of the company because I want everybody to be able to own electric vehicles, not just people who can afford a two hundred and fifty thousand dollar vehicle. So the Lightyear, like you said, has solar panels all around the vehicle. It also has in wheel hubs on all four wheels, which means that the electric motor is in the hub itself and you don't lose any efficiencies transferring power from a motor to the tires. The motor is in the tires. So these solar panels will also provide up to 43 miles of charge a day. And in, you know, the Netherlands, it's quite cloudy. And they said that this number is pretty accurate for them. The practical range is six hundred and twenty one miles, which is a thousand kilometers. And when they say practical range, it means you're going to charge up the car and then you drive around. And as you drive around and parked outside the grocery store, it's charging up into the battery won't let you go six hundred and twenty one miles. The battery will only let you go three hundred and forty seven miles or five hundred and sixty kilometers. But as as you're driving, you'll add range by the sun. That's cool. Yeah. And I think Apptera is another company that does this. And so now is a company in Germany that does this as well. And they offer a thirty five thousand dollar. OK, so we, none of us are on this show anyway. Well, maybe Rob are going to pay for the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. But I'm yet, but how much is the light year two going to run us again? The light year two is forty thousand dollars. And they actually had it. It was like behind this wall and you could go back and look at it. And they had these slits that were about a half an inch. So you'd have a half an inch of wood and then a half an inch of blank space so you could look at the car and then another half an inch wood. So you really couldn't get a good look at the car, but the very small amount that I could see, it looked like a good looking car. All right. All right. And did they have any idea when? This summer, I believe, is when they're planning on coming out with that. All right. What about motorcycles speaking of hubless? Yes. So I spoke with the CEO of Finnish company, Verge Motorcycles, and they have a hubless tire as well, or excuse me, a hubless motor as well in the rear wheel. This vehicle looks like it should be owned by Batman. It is awesome looking like I am not responsible enough to own a motorcycle. I know that. But if I was responsible enough, it would be this motorcycle. The batteries actually sit in where the the the internal combustion motor would be on a normal motorcycle. So this is just a very nice compact bike and it is sporty. Yeah, very jealous of people who get to ride motorcycles. It'll give you it starts at 107 horsepower. Do you want me to give you the ultra specs or just the regular specs? Well, yeah, give us give us the the range in the dollar amounts. OK, so for twenty six thousand dollars, twenty six thousand nine hundred, you'll get a hundred and seven horsepower, one hundred and fifty five miles of range for the next model, one hundred and thirty seven horsepower, two hundred and seventeen miles of range, and that will cost you twenty nine thousand nine hundred. So probably worth upgrading there. But the ultra specs, this is a two hundred and one horsepower, two hundred and thirty three miles of range, and that will be forty four thousand nine hundred. And that also gives you a thousand nanometers of torque. So it's zero to sixty and two point four seconds or something like that. I was going to ask you where that extra fourteen thousand dollars was going because you didn't get a lot more range, but it's yeah, that makes sense. You're you're wanting this for other purposes than going a long way. You're paying for the thrill. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. How are these prices for because I haven't followed electric motorcycles at all. I'm not even sure how many are out there. How are these prices compare? I think they're up a little bit, but from what I can tell the the product is quality. So I can't tell you exactly. I don't cover electric motorcycles all that often, but this this one was so compelling to me when I saw it in real life. I was like, I got to talk to these folks and I waited for about twenty five minutes to interview the CEO. I can't remember his name off the top of my head now. But yeah, really nice guy. Yeah, nice looking bike. All right, there were also not cars, not even motorcycles there. You saw a boat. Yes, the Candela C8 is a 24 foot electric boat and it has hydrofoils. So normally when a boat is traveling through the water, it has to push that water out of its way and it's not going to get very good range. It's not very efficient that way. So the hydrofoils actually are deployed and they act like wings. And so as the water flows over to the hydrofoils, it lifts the boat out of the water two to three feet and through, you know, the computer, it's able to steady itself. So it's not you're not going to get that choppy ride. You're going to get a nice smooth ride and up to four foot seas. And also because it is up and out of the water that causes that creates more efficiencies and at twenty eight knots, you're going to get about fifty two miles of range with this. And this is a very small forty eight kilowatt hour battery. And this is a twenty eight foot boat. It has in the in the bow, it has a cabin that will sleep too. And it's sizable down there. This is this is a big boat. So it does feel at fifty two miles that this is for like going out on the water for the day, not not for like traveling. This is this is for recreational use. Is that right? This is for people who could afford a yeah, they could afford to bring back a dodo and eat it for dinner. This thing is three hundred and ninety five thousand dollars and tops out of like five fifty, I think it's not a cheap boat. That's a reason to go for the the the light year model too. So you could save money for your boat. Right. Yeah, no, but but the the the candela I was actually very surprised. It's got a carbon fiber body in it. It's just really pretty. I actually got excited when I saw it like a like a schoolgirl. Nice, nice. Well, I do want to talk to you about some of the other electric related stuff, like like the Super Base five. We'll talk about that more on Good Day Internet. But if you had a real quick top line on that, what should people know? Because we talked about the eco flow, but we didn't talk about this one. So this is a a battery system that is portable and is modular so you can build up as you get more money. All right, good to know. We will have links to all of that in the show notes as well. Daily Tech News Show dot com. Let's check out the mail bag. Shane emailed us regarding the story of CNET using some algorithms to write their stories and in fact, CNET Connie Guglielmo, the editor-in-chief of CNET wrote up a nice explanation of like, here's what we were thinking. This is why we're doing it. We're trying out technology. This is how we're evolving our thinking about it. You should go read that as well. Shane says, in reference to your discussion on uses for AI, entitling and menial tasks related to podcasting, I was mentioning we use it on Sorden Laser as well. He says, I run an Instagram account for my bird photography and my least favorite part used to be writing the captions. Now I use chat GPT to not only generate the captions for the photographs, but it also does a very good job of generating relevant hashtags to go along with them. It has freed up a considerable amount of time and lets me build up a catalog of ready to go posts that I can keep in my back pocket. Thank you all so much for the work you put into the show to keep us all updated on what's happening in the tech world. Your show made me much cooler at parties. Well, Shane, we're putting that on the masthead. Made Shane cool at parties. Yeah, that's good. That's good stuff. And this is great. What a great use of it, creating captions for your bird photographs, hashtags and all that stuff. I feel like Rob, you could do something like that. I tell you what, these large language model AIs are changing how we do stuff. And I know that there's people. Oh, you're taking jobs away from copywriters and writers and all this kind of stuff. Well, in the case here, Shane was not hiring a writer to do this. He was agonizing doing it himself. And now he does not have that problem anymore. So I think that these things are here to stay. They're only going to get better. And we're just going to have to adjust to how we start to use them and our day-to-day work. Absolutely. All right. Somebody who will never be replaced by a machine learning algorithm is Len Peralta. He has been illustrating today's show, possibly with the aid of AI. I have no idea. Len, what have you drawn for us today? Thank you so much, by the way. No, you know what? So EVs are getting too heavy. You know, here's the thing. It's only two weeks into the new year. Can you give these guys a break, please? If they haven't even gotten a chance to really work out their resolutions. That's a good point. Yeah, just give them a break here. This image is called heft EV. And you can, if you're interested in this, you want to hang it up in your cubicle or whatever. Maybe you work for Ford or something or for the National Transportation and Security Board, too. Safety Board. You can pick this up at my Patreon, patreon.com, forward slash Len. Just become a member there. Or do the old-fashioned way. Go to my store, lenpraltestore.com, which, by the way, I'm open for commissions. If you're looking for me to draw for you, think about it because it is a new year and I have my own resolutions as well, so. You and the heavy EVs also have- The heft EVs. The heft EVs, sorry, my apologies. Rob Dunwood, a pleasure, as always, my friend. What do you got going on to tell folks about? It is always a pleasure being here on DTNS and you guys can find me pretty much everywhere on the web at Rob Dunwood and please check out my SMR podcast and the Tech John podcast. Those are the other two things that I work on pretty much every week. Yeah, do not miss them. Bodie Grimm, folks who should find more of the great information you bring us at your podcast, where can they go? You can just search for Kilowatt in their podcatcher of choice. I have all the interviews of the products that I talked about today up on the podcast now. I think I have two more to do tonight after we get done with this. And then I also had some non-EV stuff that interviews that are recorded. I gave those to Allison for the Nozfila cast. So if you're interested, go and subscribe to her podcast and she'll release those when she feels it's time. Yeah, go to podfeed.com for even more Bodie and Allison. Two of my favorites together. A special thanks to Dale Guadagnia who is one of our top lifetime supporters for DTNS. Thank you for all the years of support, Dale. You could be the next Dale. Just head on over to patreon.com slash DTNS because if you do, you're gonna get the extended show, Good Day Internet. We're gonna be talking to Bodie and Rob a little more. 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