 Welcome to ToffyTV, it is the final word ever nil Arsenal, nil joined by Eric Howe all the way from the United States and John Blaine who you will have seen before. Welcome Eric, first time on the show. I've known you for quite a few years now, first time getting to meet you in person. It's great to be back in England in Liverpool and unfortunately the match was not up to my standard of... Yeah, but there's nothing like being at Goodison, it doesn't matter, it's just really fun. Yeah, brilliant for you to be back. Where about in the States? Kansas City, smack dab in the middle of everything and nothing all at the same time. What state? So I live on the Kansas side, Kansas City is a city that is divided by two states. So whenever you think of Kansas City from a sports standpoint, like the Royals and Baseball and the Chiefs and NFL, they're on the Missouri side, but sporting Kansas City from MLS, they're on the Kansas side. Right, okay. And so... You live which side? I'm on the Kansas side. Okay, Kansas City, Kansas then. Yeah, and a suburb of Kansas City, yeah. But the two states, they don't like each other. Going back to Civil War history. Ah, okay, yeah. Knowledge bombs. Yeah, yeah. Good man. Keeping people up. John, this was obviously Everton's third tough game in six days. Duncan Ferguson had done a press conference on Friday and seemed reluctant to confirm he was fit because I think there was up to six players who were very doubtful for Saturday. Some of those players? Four of them played and it looked like a team that had ran out of it. Game too far. Yeah, bit of steam. Yeah. Both teams really, but particularly from our perspective, it was... He needed a tiny, tiny lift to win that game. Yeah. And it was going to have to come, I suppose, from something individual. It just didn't happen, did it? No. Not a shot on target. Yeah. But Duncan undefeated. Yeah, I mean, listen, that's the thing you take away from it. But just for the actual game, I mean, it started quite flat, didn't it? It did. Let's be honest, it was... Yeah. I mean, you know, you've made that thousands of miles trip over. I've had about 4,000 miles of trip. Yeah. To get that. To get that. And I suppose it was... The atmosphere, actually, before, and obviously with that Carlo Ancelotti confirmed as Everton managed, yeah? Yeah. Around about 11 o'clock, I think, it wasn't Saturday morning ever. It was right around when Team Cheat came out, they put that out. So it was quite noisy as the teams come out, and you've seen that clip of them going, wow, with the, you know, the atmosphere. And that was about the most exciting it got, particularly in the first half, wasn't it? We had a Guilty Shiget and Free Kick that... Should have been better. Shaved the post. I was right in line of that, too, from where I was at. I remember in Main Stand. Main Stand. Towards the park end corner. Oh, okay. And so, yeah, from the left side, towards Gladys Streets, where that was taken. And obviously, as soon as he hit it, I could tell it was left. Oh, okay. And but if it would have went in, I would have had, like, perfect angle for it. And of course, I didn't have my phone out. No. No. That's good. I didn't have my phone out. I'm watching it. He's just watching me do that. No, half and half scarf. That's it. I can't understand how he thinks it shaved the post. I'll tell you why, because I'm sat in the upper bullung. Ah, right from the side. It shaved the standard. It hit the sanction, didn't it? Yeah, yeah. From where we were, it looked quite close. Oh, I bet. I bet, yeah. It would have done. It would have done. I mean, had there been more. It should have done. It hasn't scored one for us. You know, for Swansea, that was practically a goal. But he's overcome this urge to spectate free kicks, though, hasn't he? Yeah, I mean, he kept it down a bit. I think that we just, the first 20 minutes, both teams were kind of like feeling each other out there. Arsenal, you know, let's be honest, that was one of the worst Arsenal teams we've probably seen in the last 25 years. And I know in their defence, they had a lot of young players in. They've got players out injured as well. A couple of day views they had, didn't they? But they had a couple, yeah. And a couple of young players, so you've got to give credit to them. They did well, you know, did very well, really. But I just mean the quality you used to see from an Arsenal team is quite a high standard. But for one of the players who I actually love, which is Obama Young, he done virtually nothing, didn't he? Particularly in the first half, you forgot he was playing. You'd never think he wants to, why would you? No, I mean, listen, he's been the captain, though, isn't he? He was the captain on Saturday. And now, because he got on a checker and what happened to him, he took the captaincy off him. Well, I thought he had a decent game, actually, the weekend. But, Eric, I mean, do you think, from an Everton perspective, midfield, the true sense of midfield plays, you haven't done any training in the week, really. Yeah. You know, Delph being out for about four or five weeks, isn't he? Yeah. And Sigurdson hadn't trained, done a little bit of light training on Friday. Yeah, Delph looked rusty for certain. He definitely looked rusty. And, yeah, if Sigurdson was just coming off of the illness, like, it showed that he just didn't quite have the pace to keep up with the youngsters on the other side. No, no. So, yeah, it was disappointing that we couldn't control the ball more through the middle. I mean, John, we saw the other week when we played Chelsea, Duncan's first game. There was a lot of press and going on from Everton. Yeah. And we were all over the play. I know we had, see, we had Snidlin' in there as well and Awobi, and we lost that Awobi early on at the weekend on Hamstring injury. But we just couldn't get close. We were too deep, I felt, certainly, in the first half. The manager probably chose a style of play. That fitted the fitness levels. Yeah. Because we went back to this, giving the ball to the central defenders, playing it around them on the street. Clearly didn't feel that we could play that long ball game, which clearly requires people to push up and be mobile and active and stuff. And so it just became a pretty dour-dyer sort of game with no quality from either side, really. I mean, both teams were... They needed a goal. Both teams were so slow, particularly in the first half, moving the ball around. It needed guilty to just put that one in. If that would have happened in the first half like that, I think it would have opened up the game tremendously. Yeah. But it was just... You're watching the match, you look up in the corner and you see it's 35th minute and you're like, wow, okay. That went fast, I guess. Nothing happened. Yeah, because... It was the slowest, longest first half. It was weird. It was weird. It was weird, wasn't it, Dad? You look at it like you say, you look at it and you're like, what? 20 minutes. But I suppose for that, it doesn't... It's not there every week. You're taking everything else and so on. Now you've got the excitement of being there. I mean, just with such stand-up, you know, you'd said before, you know, he was undefeated. I mean, he's gone through this process. System manager now. System manager, must say that now. You want a co-assistance with David Ancelotti as well. But I mean, Eric, from your perspective of obviously not being over here, you know, and obviously Marco Silva. But waking up at early, early in the clock. Yeah, getting off silly, silly old clock to watch. Yeah, yeah. Well, the 12.30 kicks for me is 6.30 a.m. 6.30 a.m. Yeah, so I set an alarm on a Saturday for six. Okay. Why? Because I'm insane about it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's what we do. If you can't go to the match, you can at least get up at six o'clock to watch it. So when we played Chelsea, the other week there was Duncan's first game. Oh, yeah. Then I watched the maid getting up at six. Yeah. A bit more bearable. Yeah, yeah. It was fantastic. I mean, I'm down on the couch and watching it on TV, just on cable. It's an HD. It's fantastic. I can see so much football over there. It's amazing. But, yeah, we score. And I'm, like, trying my hardest not to scream. Not to scream all over the house, yeah. So I'm, like, finally, like, jumping around, like, going crazy. I'm, like... A bit like he was. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Brilliant. Brilliant. Yeah. It was awesome just to see the passion. And that's something I tweeted out after the matches. The only thing I require is passion. Just putting in the effort, constantly running around. Obviously doing what the manager says, and if it's dunk, then you just do it. You're going to do it. You're going to do it. But, yeah, just passion. Just put in the effort. I don't care as long as you try. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the thing, John, isn't it? That we... You know, for all your trippy-tappy football and possession-based football and all that, Evertonians love hard work, don't we? It's just something the 80s team had. You know, we've had the Howard's Wave film that's come out recently. And the 80s team had an abundance. They could play, they could fight, but they work harder than everybody else. We've got a say at loads of times. The best teams in the country at the moment, Liverpool, Manchester City, Leicester, work so hard off the ball. And to see what he's done over the last few weeks, trained a team that, you know, the Norwich City game, for example, the other week, it was flat. We were slow. It was ponderous. You know, everything just felt... It was rubbish, wasn't it, nearly, let's be honest, to see what he's been able to do in a couple of weeks. Have you been surprised with how much he's squeezed out of the players compared to what we'd seen before? I mean, not anything like Duncan, but just the way he's been able to get a change in work, writing stuff. Yeah, I think... I'm not surprised that Duncan would try to get that, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I must admit to being surprised he achieved it. Yeah. Just because they look such a miserable set of so-and-so's. Yeah. Passive. Yeah. And then when I heard somebody say that, you know, when he was appointed the assistant, he went and had a one-to-one with every single player. And that's really good psychology. Yeah. This is me and you. You're going to promise me that you're going to do this and I'll promise you that I'm going to do that. You do that one-to-one, then it accumulates up. Yeah. And then, of course, the crowd... This is what he did the night before the Chelsea game. Absolutely, right, yeah. And then you get that reaction. And I think that Chelsea game was critical. Yeah. That gave them the belief to listen to the manager almost. Yeah, yeah. If we'd lost that, they said, oh, well, we've listened to him and look, it's the same. Oh, what a couple, yeah. And then he just... But the real magic trick is a squad that depleted each game. Yeah. That he was the manager through injuries and illness and so on. Mm-hmm. And he still extracted, you know, the best that he could out of what was available. Mm-hmm. And I think that... We talked about that one. We're a goodest and earlier on. We're enchillotted. The only thing of any manager is he gets the best out of the players. Yeah, of course. And then after that, it's the director football's problem, you know? Yeah. And certainly, I think, I struggled to... And you just said before we came, started recording, you know, what would Silver have got out of those four games? Mm-hmm. I think people know. Yeah. Yeah. Not a lot. Right. I mean, we just... You must have got up there to watch the knowledge game probably. Yeah. That was probably life for you. It was probably about eight o'clock you had to get up to that one. Eight forty-five. Yeah. But that was... Sleeping. You know, watching that game, which was obviously Marco Silver's last home game. Yeah. As I managed it, it was the bottom of the league. Yeah. We were... You know, it was flat, wasn't it? And there was nothing then to see what we've seen on the Duncan with almost... Yeah, or a lot of the same players. There's a real kind of night and day thing as well with the performance. Yeah, and some pundits were talking about, okay, so is this not on the players? Why is it that they can come out and play like that for Duncan, but they wouldn't play like that for Marco? And that's a valid point. Right. But for me and my career personally, I've had managers that are absolutely horrible and I didn't want to go to work. And it is a job for these players, right? It is their job. And if you do not like who you work for, you do the bare minimum to just get in and do the job and get out. It's like that for anybody. If your manager doesn't appreciate your work and what you do, then you stop putting in the effort. If it doesn't matter, then you've got other people that are on the same level as you that don't do the work. Why am I going to do the work if it doesn't matter? Yeah, yeah. And so there's all sorts of dynamics in organizations that if the top changes, then there's repercussions and ripple effect for that. And Duncan stepped in. He said, this is what we're going to do. We're going to play this way and just go out there and give everything you can. And he got that response out of him. He pulls a lot of weight, obviously, with just the legend status in the club. Yeah. And everybody knows how hard he's worked throughout his career with everything. And so it's kind of hard to tell somebody that has proven it. No. I'm not going to do what you want. So, yeah, obviously, for me, yeah, the players could have done it for Silva. But I don't blame them either. I suppose, I mean, when you look at it, all the stories are, they like the manager and stuff like that. They like Silva. But you can like someone with, but he might not inspire that, or might ask for different things. I guess what Duncan has proven is that, hey, he listened to, he's got that aura enough to, and we've been in his company, he's got that aura about him that you want to listen to. He saw a lot of Duncan in that video. Yeah, you did, yeah. But that's the thing, isn't it? You want to do it for him. And I've said to, I mean, me and Ped have said this a lot of times, but I believe there's a lot of talent in this Everton squad. That if it actually works as hard as other teams, it'll beat most of the other teams because the talent comes through. That's what's so, that's what's happened with the top teams. They work the hard that the talent overtakes, and it's when... That's Pep's fault. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because he's taken that Manchester City squad and made them work. Yeah. And others, maybe the guys across the park have thought, well, we've got talent, but we have to work. We have to work, yeah. And I think Duncan though, I think, you know, you do the old, you do it for politicians, don't leave this popularity rating thing. Yeah, yeah. You just, everything you just said about Duncan was spot on except he started from minus. Yeah, he did, yeah. He'd been ignored for a long time. Yeah, sure. They haven't been used by Silver. And so that squad, when they heard that Duncan was going to be the caretaker, entering whatever it was, they thought, oh yeah, let's be flippant. He's the guy who puts the cones out. So they start off with a view that, so what? Some of them will know, like Lacey Nanes, Colman, Davies, and, you know, the youngsters, you know. But so, so it was miraculous what he did. And the good man managing would see, obviously, did it the night before, speaking to them individually, giving them individual instruction, probably, or expectations. And they pulled it together and they did what they did, you know. And you're right, when you get a result when the managers give you advice, you can't either go, I'll listen again. This fella knows what he's talking about. I'm buying into that. And that's, I think that's what happens with a lot of money. But I think what happened with Silver was inconsistent. Yeah. Because you talk about, you know, you're not there for blah, but they did it away at Leicester. Yeah. I just think with Mark, they continually proved as a group of players, they can do it. But that manager did not inspire them. That's the thing. And that's the difficulty. Get that, get up, work hard, and your talent takes over. It's like what you've just said, Eric, it might be the case you don't like your manager, but if you don't inspire it, you'll just kind of do a bit of, you know, you'll do enough to get by kind of things, you know, where it's like, and also, a modern thing of managers, like, kind of what you said, John, but like about Pep, other managers will look at, like, Pep and go, well, we want to play like that, and it's all about ball work. It's all about running. You know, you can't have one without the other. You're doing the right. Exactly. And this is where, I think, Roberto Martinis went wrong forever, and he just wanted to play this possession game, which was great, except we played it slower than anybody else, because we didn't do the hard work. We'd have done the hard work playing that. We'd have probably had a lot more success. We had a lot of front that could score 25 goals every year. Yeah. So we wouldn't have worked hard. Hit it once, though. Well, all right, well, you've got 20. I mean, you know, it's the best Premier League cycle we've had. Absolutely. Goal scorn. If we'd have worked hard and had him, we'd have probably achieved a lot more. But we know that we've not been extracting the talent, particularly if you're unfortunate to sit near me. Yeah. That we play better when the ball is being moved more quickly. Because clearly, as you go to Mark, it becomes more impactfully against the opposition. But then, you know, you know, you're at higher quality technique and talent and stuff becomes more relevant. Yeah. If you play at the opposition's pace, stroking around slowly, letting them reset, letting them get into position. You know, and all this sort of stuff. And when we do one-touch move-mency stuff, we score goals. Yeah. And we get in behind scenes. And it'd be interesting to see if Angelotti can make them do that consistently. Yeah. I mean, one thing I thought, we went in 0-0 at half-time and it was, you know, you were just like, all right, well, the way, you know, the best thing that can happen here is it carries on. Let's just hope we score that either one-the-goal or a set-piece over it. We almost got it right away. You know? But obviously, when we lost a Wobby, brought Jeng Tolson on, so I just want to, I want to talk about Jeng Tolson's performance first and foremost before anything else. I, a Wobby went down very early, actually holding his hamstring. Tried to carry on. You can't carry on when your hamstring's pulled and you have to go off. Now, the natural sub would have been Bernhard for me. Or Moise Keane and public Charleston to the left. Now, there must have been a reason why Duncan didn't bring either of those players on. So, it could have been illness with Bernhard because we know that but then... Don't think he can last that long. Or at the moment he's not up to fitness-wise to be able to get up and down because that's a good reason. So there's obviously, he's been injured and he's come back and I don't know, maybe he did have a touch. He only played half a game against Leicester in midweek. So maybe either Duncan's thought he's not, he can't do it. Or he's been ill. He was on the bench but he might have thought maybe Tolson was the fittest of the subs. I don't know. I don't know. Or maybe thought Moise Keane couldn't play 80 minutes and they didn't want to take him off again or whatever he put Tolson on. He thought to come on and show worries about it. Up against the team that are particularly quick in a game that's a bit rubbish. His first touch right in the middle and he had a shot. Yeah, he had a shot like that. It nearly so I mean he got stuck in right away and he looked up for it. You thought he was up for this but then it faded. It just disappeared. Absolutely. Walking around. Walking. Do you think, I mean I think he ever doesn't try his best. I just he's lost it. I just don't think he's good enough for what we need. Not in this league. That's what I mean. You know, Joe's put it. You know, I mean the result of this performance was that poor. And I totally agree. We're talking as you do with people around you. You sat there talking and going you can see players warming up. You're going there's 15 minutes left we need. We're going to take this. Right. And I'm saying it's got to be chosen and people are like you can't you won't take it. And I'm like it can't really be anyone else. If you take Gretialis and off he might come up with a goal or there was no one else. Dom he couldn't have took off because I thought even though he was tired he's still given everything. So it had to be Jen Towson and there was a cheer when his number went up which people which suggested that everybody agreed with the sub. But Towson walked straight down the tunnel now I haven't seen the outcry that was when Moise Keane was sub at United since you know whatever. He did get a bit longer than Moise Keane. He did. He got 70 minutes right. But again but again the man at his conviction and his actions he's gone he's not doing it and he's the sub off you come sub. But it doesn't not make sense to sub him at that point I don't it wasn't for anything other than yeah for me it made made most sense that he'd be the one off. The Charleston's got a goal in him. It's an easier decision but a manager who got to stick for sub and sub and then sub's a sub again. So he's and he answered it after United correctly I thought was best for the team no one can argue with that. They could disagree with him but it'd be it's not personal I think it's best for the team therefore I've taken you off. And he did it again but on this occasion everyone in the stadium it was the right thing to do. Yeah 100% one of the things I mean it's always put his off in January but just quickly would you sell him in January? Yeah yeah definitely. He's not going to he shouldn't play. No and he's on good ways so even if we can just dilute the wages down a bit by him going on loans somewhere it was he got a couple of years left or something silly money it'd be one thing if we're still in the league cup and we weren't drawn at Arsenal for the FA Cup and we had or yeah Liverpool for the FA Cup and we had and we had more games more games coming up in the next two months right but unfortunately we are out of the league cup and yeah I think there's I don't see any way you get in the team I think there's a lot better yeah yeah or there's a lot better options hopefully I mean what could be really bizarre is we could sell him the day before we play Liverpool in the FA Cup we signed him on the day we played him in the FA Cup last time you know two years later but I just think he's and also of course he's going to be looking at the the 2020 Euros we'll take it qualify he'll want to play and be sure for that and I just like you John I don't see him I don't see him getting anywhere near it to be honest with you I just don't think he's mobile enough for this league and he's had a go in it quite worked out so he could be he could be off in January quite easily one thing I thought I thought I haven't got a bit better second half it wasn't it wasn't very good we ended up with like John said before no shots on target which is wonderful right away Rich Alston's put one straight across the goal and again it's like right towards where I was looking at the park in this time and it was Tom come sliding and then yeah yeah just not quite connected he also made the change of putting Michael Keane on who was trying to have a battle with Jeng Tolson don't give me on Michael Keane well I'll ask about Michael Keane but what that enabled was it enabled Mason Holgate to go into midfield and I thought when Holgate went in midfield we got a grip at the game we had someone at last who could keep up with their midfielders winning tackles a bit of nastiness I loved that about me Tom was isolated again wasn't he you know Tom Tom listen Duncan put him out there to do his job he didn't do many favours but he'd done a job for the team he's not mobile enough or he is mobile he's not quick enough to play as a winger it's not his natural position because he wants to come inside all the time so it meant that Jibril Sidderby who we'll talk about in a minute had a harder time he still had a good a good positive game kind of a match he had a good positive game but I think if Tom would have been naturally more wide he'd have stayed closer to him and he was coming at sometimes he was dead centre and there was nobody out with Sidderby but Holgate made a big difference for me in the middle of the park I mean and John he's proven that he's more than just for me he's proven that he's more than just a squad player in these last he's played ten games on the run I think now so I'm preaching to the converted yeah yeah no but I'm just saying his diversity played in midfield he's played right back in the centre back I mean it's moved hasn't it in recent times to simplistically if you do it that way if Mina's injured it's Holgate and Keane if Mina's fit it's Holgate and Mina and me me and so he's made it almost he's the second to one of the earlier names to go down on the team sheet you know and he's still a relatively young man for the position he plays and we were talking earlier on weren't we about he's sort of turning himself into a utility player in a sense that clearly he's demonstrated to Duncan and he'll do it to to Angelotti I suppose if need be he can take one of those centre mid positions you know clearly he's played right back in the past but he's not hugely suited pace wise and stuff but he'll do it but he can do this job and alongside a strong centre back then he's a good mixture he's quick enough to play centre but he's not he's not light but he's not slow I mean Eric have you been impressed with him getting in I've been impressed with Mason ever since he's shoved fromino into the fair enough but it's that that streak it's that that hardness it's that not backing down yeah he picks up a caution but it's he's not afraid to get stuck in and it's that passion it's that word that I'll I'll go back to every time it's the passion he will not stop running which is a lot like Richardlson he's up and down the pitch he loses the ball he runs 60 yards and does everything Holgate is that type of player and Ferguson knows that and he can trust him yeah and I think that's the biggest thing that is a big thing he can trust him no matter where he has to put it wherever he's got a hole he knows he can put Holgate there and he'll do what he has to do and that won't be lost on Anselotti he said he's watched the last four games the videos if he could bottle something he's got give it to Keene oh god we'd have a better player we'd have a much better player you wouldn't have a worse player yeah well yeah but Mason can make a mistake which Keene and get on with it get on with it the centre back yeah he makes a mistake you know Michael Keene and that's it yeah yeah that past that past the dean that past the dean was horrible and he might as well have been subbed off at that point because he was about as useful you see it just go out of his body one mistake instead of going right again it makes him waste so the centre backs anyway looking at Anselotti going oh I'd like to go and play for him then Keene can be the one going the other way can't he believe it yeah I mean well what Mason's done is he's gone from people going I'm not sure to now well he's got to play but me isn't it like you said before or he's got to play with Keene DCL's won that and Tom in the last and Tom will be the Patrick well he's got to and Tom and I think for Tom Davis he's one that he's got to do gilfy for a while you know in that midfield but I think when you put him in there with someone like Andre Gomez who keeps the ball and recycles it or if he's in with Sniden then he can push up Tom's more effective you can't play wide we know that but I still think he's a very useful player things are good player but you'll have games where he's not great but that's the way it is but one thing he won't do he doesn't hide he gives the ball away he'll go and get it again he'll try it again and he's always brave and I like people who are brave on the ball but I just thought I thought how we'll get him in midfield made a massive difference the fellow we just quickly mentioned there was Gible Sidderby who'd been ill 47 touches there 38 successful passes 21 forward passes successful attack and third pass passing accuracy 95 percent which is what happened to the other 5 percent that's incredible that's all for pass isn't it yeah five ball recoveries four aerial duels one two interceptions and one successful dribble Joe's put potential man of the mat it was a more meaner for me I give it a meaner my one would be meaner just shaded it because I thought he'd only set the example but I'll go with Siddyby and we'll let Eric and Eric and after this I'm going to that's fine I've got no issue with that it's like Joe's put but he's he knew yeah he's he's he's been fantastic since he got in you know the odd mistake because he's such an attack like John Eubart on a Brighton caught up the pit against Brighton but then I still look at one of our midfielders like Fabian Delfin why didn't you just drop into right but in general he's been excellent hasn't he have we got him on low because he had a bad injury knee injury and then when he got back into a monocle he had a change of manager so we were able to get him but he just hasn't you know he's building up fifth I think the things something like 14 or 15 million 27 good age just over the age isn't he for what was but 15 million and he's got enough pace I think it's quick for that for that quality he's in the French he's in the French squad he's a well caught winner so he runs past the Wobby he runs but the thing with Alex Wobby Wobby is a central number 10 he's a centre midfield he's not a winger he's another one he's better centrally because he gets you going putting him wide he's doing a job he's not doing it's not his position but I think what he does which is brilliant is looks up in that final third and plays the right pass Seamus has head down does a good job but he's more thoughtful he knows how to pick a pass he's also prepared to run on to a ball and take it first time so he can get your Wobby's and it's supposed to be a Sigurds who can thread who can put the ball and Richard Alisson's committing now in this has come straight over we've seen Everton teams doing that in the past haven't we? yeah interesting but have you been impressed with the medic? yeah definitely just his touch his ability to to work the ball his crossing ability we saw the cross to Richard Alisson and Chelsea and it's just it's on the on the mark yeah and it'll be and the winner at Southampton of course he's set the winner I'd like to just see more of that yeah well Alisson hopefully I think he's the type of fallback anti-lots he'll like to be honest with you the fast attacking fallback he's physical as well yeah big lad as well and after a match in the the autographed line he was fantastic with his kids was he? yeah he was guess the nice nice bloke tick as well yeah he's 180 of Michael Keen Michael Keen ghosted all the kids didn't say hi to anybody did they? just straight through to the car park I was I was just like well if you don't want people to like you that's what you do that's what you do yeah are you watching Michael maybe his confidence is that shot that he doesn't want to stop in case anybody if anybody can build up your confidence it's a kid that's just happy to be standing next to you right because you're massive and you play football no Alisson and it's just like if you want your ego like lifted at all have a 10 year old say Michael Keen can I have your autograph yeah I'm not defending ghosted kids no one should they should stop and sign every single one in my opinion I don't know how they could do that very very privileged Michael Keen that was your autograph no it had to be Landon Donovan and I love him yeah you're there I think the show privileged they should always stop and sign autograph there's no excuse win lose or draw there's literally no excuse but I mean that's another thing there's so and outside for fans at Bramleymore yeah well I mean paid off and talked about you know you should have that you should have to walk through an area where the kids can stand and stuff like that they should do why not undercover yeah undercover so they're not like I can't stop it's what you should do it's like you just said Eric it builds it makes the kids feel fantastic and it's like you walk up you've got three kids you feel great we're just in the car park getting moved in the Bramleymore yeah what's the odds players can get out the stadium without being seen without being seen fix that we can't have that yeah well you've got that you know maybe it's just for those people who'll pay 25 grand a year to sit in the Tunnel Club in the Tunnel Club or wherever to see them but I think it should be something to keep the fans grounded with the the people's club keep the players grounded with the fans yeah and be able to see kids and stuff and it's about self-policing isn't it if someone's there and they're going achy listen lad beat it you know because it's a that's a different thing you give your stick to them on the pitch if you feel like you need to from the stand but when they're coming through and the drama's shining no one's going to I don't think unless they do something ridiculous no one's really going to have a go it's not too difficult to stop that from happening no no not at all not at all so it's one of them isn't it but you know I suppose at the end of the day I've been cheating 15 games yeah picked for I have to say the only real shot on target picked for made an excellent save hell of a save the reaction on that is just when it broke to a Bamiang and he was on his own there we go oh my son screaming 14 14 oh he's screaming 14 yeah because he knows he could see the ball was going over and as soon as it did you're picking him up well you're that he's picking up all the tactics there but it was a it was a great save from Pickford wasn't it phenomenal kept giving him a clean sheet that'll give him some confidence because like we said we haven't had we haven't had one for a while same confidence enough at the he did seem confident enough after it we're not going to discuss that other than to say oh dear you know I'm not going to go it was nice out in all that but don't climb on tables to demonstrate it do it if you need to do it do it sitting down make it even worse for yourself now it was a good save and I suppose it was always going to be 0-0 because I'd I haven't had that one clean sheet in 15 or 14 and Arsenal hadn't had a clean sheet in 14 so there you go 0-0 side agreement before they came out definitely clean sheet an absolutely rigid game but we were we were unbeaten and both new managers sat in the stand watching yeah let's not talk about it ever again no it's done and dusted everything unbeaten under Duncan the art of the money is being used to bring Miquel to the Emirates we know where it is city of got it city of quite happy now there you go let us know what you think in the comments section below was this I mean anyone who tries to say this isn't 90 minutes to forget will be lying I am sure big thanks to Eric for coming all the way from Kansas thank you big thanks to John cheers John make sure you there's your one fan over there there he is cheerleaders over there it's whether 41 it's whether it's whether Eric's it's whether Eric's gonna stop and sign autographs on the way we'll have to look out for that make sure you subscribe give the video a thumbs up join us on patreon 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