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Particularly when you get excited, overly excited and you give, and you play a rating, you give everybody 10. I think that's only happened once. Yeah. Wasn't that happening? More likely to get better. The Man United group. The Man United group. And then there's the other occasions when we hear this bad language. No, not for me. You obviously don't listen to yourself. No. I don't know what you're talking about. I mean there are different levels of bad language by the way. That's one level. There's different tiers of bad language. You've been in the States for too long, that's the problem. You've been your ears. It's been tuned out. No, no. You've just, I think what it is with American TV, it's quite sanitized, isn't it? It's very sanitized. So you're not used to it. Over here, you can, the F and the GF are all over the place. Well, in the next. Yes they are, as you well know when the cameras are not rolling. I don't know. So we have no swear words and no nipples. I mean, there's a swear word, isn't it? Put that on a poster. There you go, no swear words. That's a rule to live your life. Dr. Francis has no swear words and no nipples. You can always get those t-shirts, like Frankie says, relax. Frank says no nipples. You know, mean listening. So it's been a couple of years since we've seen you, Dr. Francis. You were over here with your book. A lot happened in the meantime. Let's refresh. What's been going on in the last couple of years? Well, I've not been well. It's been over two years. I had, in that two-year period, I had a heart attack. And then last year I had a stroke, which I haven't recovered from. But during that period, during my ill health, I was still in better shape than whatever it was. The heart attack was easy. You just, they put stents in you. They come up to the ground and to your heart. They've got cardiologists. And I didn't say that it was a sign, but you were awake. And I looked in and I thought to myself, God, I hope you're not a cop. And then with the stroke, I lost my vision for a few days. And obviously had some paralysis. When was the stroke exactly? That was a year ago, April. So, I mean, it wasn't the worst time to lose your sight as a nevitonin. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. And I think that's the spirit you've got to have. Because my wife shares that type of black humour. And because she said, we went and I got to a proper hospital. It happened out in Indian country, native Indian country. And we got to a proper hospital. The guy, he obviously said what it was. And now I have an oncologist, a urologist, a cardiologist, and a neurologist. So we got that. A neurologist came and he put me through the CAT scan. Really sophisticated piece of kit, really is. And he's showing my wife, in my absence, the cross-sections of my brain. And I do have some damage on either side. And Liz said to him, you know, it's really good. Can it differentiate the damage caused by the Dutch guy versus the damage caused by Aladise? And he obviously couldn't. But that was then. So you bounce back, you look at life differently. And you look forward, as you do all the while. It's a bit like Everton, you get beat on the Saturday, you have a lousy Sunday, lousy Monday, and then by Tuesday you've got optimism for the next game, haven't you? Well, you look them very well. Didn't this time last year, but now, yes. Yeah, yeah. What do you think about this season? It's been okay. It's been okay. If things out of our control go the way they should go, then you can look back and go, it's been a season to build on. So I mean, are we talking about our neighbours here? Well, I mean, yeah, because we need that to go our way. But don't you think that there's more to us than gloating? We gloated last year when they lost the European Cup final. We would be thrilled to have gone to the European Cup final. Oh, there's two issues there, isn't there? There's that, which is look at yourself and go, we'd love that opportunity. But there's the other side, and I wouldn't call it gloating, I'd just call it making our lives easier. No, I agree with you. We were closely in here with Redmen. Yeah, some good lads. Some great lads. Couple of, not as great, but mostly the great. But I won't be bouncing in here next week if they've not won the league or building it in their face. It just means I can come in here and get on with what I'm doing. However, if they have, it's gone their way on Sunday, we will not hear the end of it. And that's the difference is that I won't be in people's faces. It'll just be like, right, let's concentrate what we're doing. To some degree now, I'm not saying I envy them, but I do see the benefits of supporting the team that knows where it's going. You know, they've got a cracking board. They've got a charismatic manager. They've got resources that they can buy people who want to come and play for them. I mean, I would have thought besides the likes of Madrid and Barcelona, playing for Liverpool Football Club is an attractive place to go if you're building a Korean football. They've got an international profile, international fan base. They've got tremendous sponsors. I just look for the day when we are like that. And they haven't success. Don't forget, I mean, where to look at for me is that three or four years ago, they were finishing behind Evan. Well, they were. I mean, chained it. Yeah, and as you said, they were going into admins. Well, 12 years ago, yeah. But then a year ago, I thought to myself as a really good blue, an optimistic, great blue. Now I think I've come just a tad bitter. So I've got to tell you the tale about my car number one. Well, you know that a couple of years ago, I got stopped on the freeway in Houston by the Highway Patrol 98 miles an hour. That's what he said when he gave me the ticket for $200. Nice. And he came out and he's given me a pay. You know, not particularly charming, the American policeman. And he said, well, she's licensed plate number. So I said that to him, I don't know. But thanks for the $200 ticket. Thank you for the professional way in which you've done this to me. So on the way home, which was about 20 miles, my wife nagged at me, how come you don't know the car registration plate? How come this, how come that? And this went on for, you know, half a day. Then it was forgotten about until about three weeks later. We were getting in the car and she said, what's our car registration number? But why did you go and see? So I went round the back and there it was. EFC 1878. Fantastic. Now I'm the pride of Sedona, Arizona, driving now. Of course, there's not many Evertonians there, but I took it in for a service and I bumped into our Paul Rideout. And it was because of that, he was at my remind number plate and I said, you know, he's a handsome looking guy, you know, and he can head the ball. So I said, handsome guy, you know. Fantastic, isn't it? So after my illness and recovering from my illness, I said, let's get another car. And I said, well, this time you can pick the car and I'll pick the number plate. So she gets the same car Land Rover, so we'll get another Land Rover. So I am now going to show you my new number plate. You may want to ask the guys next door to hide. OK. C'mendish. Now, which is a clear indication that I've become bitter. Hate LFC, hate hate LFC. Hate hate LFC, that's all it is. I mean, some people might read it as hate LFC and just reading it as you are. Am I reading it correctly? Is it hate LFC? It's whatever goes through your mind. And they're bright and don't do the job on Sunday. We may want to make a lot of these. I might be wearing it on Monday, yeah. Incredible, incredible. So, I mean, how have you looked at the season then from the turmoil that has been the last couple of years? I've been disappointed. I think that, I mean, the turmoil in the last couple of years have been disappointed. I thought that we could step forward. I mean, I wasn't very impressed by some of the mid-season chaos that we need to really lose our way. But I think now we've found the blend and he's got a way of playing. I think, and there's this significant teamwork. I mean, I'm impressed by the bonding amongst the players that it seems to be coming together. Obviously, there's some spots where we don't have the strength that we need. But I think we've got, maybe half the team could get into one of the, let's call them the top six clubs. I think they were of that quality. So, I'm encouraged. But it's about consistency, isn't it? And it's about building. But they're not the challenges really facing the club. The club's got challenges associated with costs. We've got all those people, all those deadwood on the payroll that we've gone through in a minute. So, we've just got to get rid of them. Out of seldom, I'll just get rid of them. We've got, you know, we still don't have the kind of income streams that other clubs have when it comes to sponsorship. We just don't have the brand, we don't have the profile. And that, you know, we need to work in that area as much as any other area. We've got the ground. I know there's a big announcement coming up in the not too distant future. The club have said, like, later on this year, we should start getting bits and pieces more. There's the second consultation that's going to come at some point, isn't there? When will they go for planning permission? Well, they've said, like, on this year, it's probably around September time. Well, I heard that, you know, just from the distance across the Atlantic that there were some problems with regarding the sea front, the river front, is a heritage site. Yeah, and it's not just the three graces or around the three graces. It's quite the length of it. Yeah, it goes right up to where the stadium is. And that's one of the problems, which I'm a deal with, I think, is that it's all got to look a certain way and it's all got to, you know, the dock's got to be treated with respect because it's part of the... Oh, so you think that you could just build it out of materials that are consistent with the rest of it? Well, that's what Dan Misha said. That's the architect. That's how we will go about it. So apparently the remit is it look like it's always been part of it, you know? The waste water treatment work. Exactly, exactly the same way. It's the waste water treatment site. It's the world heritage waste water treatment site. Well, that's what it just fit. I mean, the finish is apparently... Does it really? Apparently, apparently. But it's the whole thing with the heritage. It isn't just to do with evidence. No, either. I think it's also to do with peels, redevelopments of that area anyway, isn't it? I mean, I don't know about you, but what does a UNESCO I imagine by where you live, you know, the Grand Canyon might be... Oh, the Grand Canyon is one. But when they cite them, they do cite them as like the pyramids of Giza and the... They cite these types of things, but I don't know how many of them there are. Yeah, but I understand that. I understand that, you know, the Grand Canyon or the pyramids or whoever it ever is. I can understand why you'd say you're not allowed to build a football stadium with McDonald's. I can understand that. Oh, you can. There's a McDonald's by pyramid in Egypt. Well, there is. I mean, like the Grand Canyon, you can understand why. But for somewhere like Liverpool and the waterfront and all this... essentially derelict land, because that's all there is. It's just derelict land. Why people... worry so much or... Well, wasn't there in the last consultation with over 20,000 people, I think? I think 23 people or something quoted the UNESCO thing of the 20,000. So I don't think it's a... I personally don't think it's a big issue. I think it's all... We're going back to the season we've just had. I think we've had some successes in transfer market. I think we've got the core of a good team. I think the manager is now gaining confidence and I think gaining the confidence of the fans that, you know, it should be one we stick with because we do need consistency there. We've chopped and changed for so long. But I had hoped we would be challenging the sixth. We would have snuck in, particularly since United had stumbled. I don't know. Well, a couple of others have stumbled as well. I think the opportunity there, maybe four or five more wins and I don't know the numbers, but I think we could have snuck into that. And once you get in then, then it's for the others to get you back out. So I think we could have gone in and built on that. But now we've got to try again another year. I just don't know what resources we have to keep on building on the team because we're certainly... We're not balancing the books the way we're doing it at the moment. You know, we're just drawing on Mr. Mishiev's... money to him. But isn't that what most of the other teams have done? Particularly, I mean, you referenced Liverpool before. It's certainly what Liverpool did. Spent a lot of money in the battery cup with trails of like Suarez and Catino. And they did very well, didn't they? Oh, they have. And they've done very well. Everyone will hope to do that, won't they? So who's you going to sell then? Well, I don't think it'll be this year. I think he'll throw a lot more money. And I think there'll be a lot go out this year. It's whether we can recoup money. Are you prepared then to say that there's a good year next year? Are you prepared then to say that Ricalison does really well? Are you prepared to let him go in a year's time? Someone offers £135,000,000, £140,000,000 and you've got the next kid on the blockchain line. That's the way you're going to be able to pay? Yeah, well, I think, this isn't the way FFP is, you know, Premier League rules, and you have to look at stuff like that. It might not be something else that happens. I mean, me personally, I've got luck with £30 million this year. I've no issue with selling them because they don't play. So if players aren't playing, then why are you keeping them around? Then the hope that it might be good, especially if you're going to go and bring somebody who's going to play. And that's evidence problem. It's not the... Like you've just said there, there's a core of a really good side there. And it needs a few more. And with a few more, it will be as good as anything above it. Do you think those few more, perhaps that we have in the under-23s, do you think, and that have been in the under-23s for the last year or two, we know the candidates, do you think they're good enough yet to be making ways into the first team? No, I don't think so. There's nothing coming through, as far as I'm concerned. There's nothing on loan that I think is good enough. I think that's why Marcel Brands has done a complete routine branch review of it all because I don't think there is anything coming through that's really seriously pushing. And if you look at the players who came through the last time we won it, John Joe, Kenny, Tom, Davey's, they're only on the fringes. A lot of doms in there at the moment, but everyone knows that we need to buy another striker. But I just can't see any of them. But that's his job. I think that's what his job is. I think that's why he's on the board now. I think his job is more important than just scouting or whatever the last fella's job was to as director of football. I really think Marcel Brands will be running the football club as far as I'm concerned. And I want to run the football club because I don't personally see anyone else who's capable of running a football club at everything. Well, there aren't many people on the board that are football people. Do you think we'll keep hold of Marcel Brands? Because everyone wants one of them nowadays, don't you? A director of football. I think the thing with him is I think he's incredibly loyal. We'd have had him two years ago, if he wasn't. Chelsea had had him three years ago. United had had him four years ago. He knocked all of them back to stay at PSV. It took a lot to get him up to PSV. So I think he's here. I think he'll be here for five years. And then I think he'll get a stance to take over. He was already briefing as his number two. That's how I see it, yeah? Because I don't think he'd have left. He was never leaving PSV for a short term job. Have you said that himself? Well, what do you think about keeping some of the people that others have attracted him? You know, we've got all the ones who wanted to go. I mean, the young guy, the gay. Does it will keep him? It depends who comes in. Not convinced. You're not convinced about him? No, I'm very convinced about him. I'm just not convinced about keeping him. But, I mean, isn't that the job of the people who run it? This is the thing, I don't know what you think. But for me, I think Marcel Brands is ice cold in terms of he sees players as commodities. It's not his job to get to build relationships with players. He's very... From all this, from American Sport, that general manager who doesn't have any relationships with the players, his job is to bring them in and cut them and whatever is best for business. I think that's all Marcel Brands' way. There is that side to it, but there's another side, the psychology side, is that I think something that we need to be mindful of nowadays is if you bring a young kid in, I mean, young kids, anyone who's under 25 in my eyes, you've got to make sure he's mature. I mean, I think we've brought in a few people who have not necessarily been mature and the first reaction is to go out and buy a gold-colored Cadillac or whatever. Maybe that's what they're expected to do. But I'm thinking about Memphis to pay. I mean, I heard that that's one of Brands' favourites and he's now matured and whatever. Now he's got a pink Cadillac. You know, they're not the types of people that I think you build a club around. No, I... We've got one or two of those already. But who's a mistake? I mean, going back to what we've said before, who's mistakes are they? Oh, they're not Brands. We're still very much stuck in the mistakes of the past. Pre-brands, Pre-Marco Silver. A lot of the things we're talking about, the Deadwood, the young players, they're not a reflection of the people who are in charge now. And the people who are running the club, whether it be Denise Barrett Baxendale or anyone on that board, they started at the beginning of this season. It's very hard, I think, personally, I don't know what you think, but to say whether they've done the right things or the wrong things, because I think they are having to deal with or reset. I think the stadium's a key thing. They came in on the... I don't know where the stadium was, because we don't really know. But it feels like when they came in, they had to re-evaluate the stadium. People came in and people were asking, why has there been a delay? And we haven't been told that, but it seems like there was a review of the whole situation that had been left by the previous pre-brand charge. And it's going to continue to review it until one day you'll make a decision to proceed. And that may be even after the planning's been done. It's a huge amount of money and a huge amount of financing and it's going to have a significant impact on our ability to buy and trade in the future. Like it has done for Tottenham, like it has done for Arsenal and the like. What do you think about the stadium? What capacity do you think it should be? 60,000. And why? If you're going to be a big six club, you don't have to be in a big six club if you don't have a capacity of 60,000. You've got to be ambitious. I think you've got to be ambitious, but I think I'd like to know more. See a lot of people are I can't get into arguments or conversations about things that I don't know about because how can you? If when those plans come out and the stadium is a certain shape and the placement of it means that it can't be built any higher or any bigger then who am I to start arguing with architects? But if the club have come out and said there's a reason why it's 52,000 and it's because that's the limit of our ambitions essentially then I can argue with that all day. I don't think you fit your ambitions to the size of the dock. I think you look at yourself and think in 10 years time we're going to be a football in power. We need a stadium of 60,000 maybe expanded to 80,000 or whatever it is and let's invest in a piece of land and a site and a structure that accommodates that. The fact that it's on the dock that's one thing. We've got emotionally tied to the fact that it's too busy. I don't necessarily that should be the driving I mean it's great to have that but I don't think it's necessarily the driving force for our investment in the future. I just want a big stadium full of people with standing and advanced as it can be. But that's the separation isn't it because fans overwhelmingly wanted it on the dock. They wanted an iconic stadium that looks a certain way. That means that when you're on TV and all the rest of it from the outside it looks incredible. It's something to be proud of. So again that's a balance isn't it you could have a stadium on a piece of land where essentially like in America you've got do whatever you want but we were offered that we were offered Ston Cross Ston with whatever it's called in Crocsteth £75,000 stadium there but no one wanted it. I know but I'm saying I'm saying that you could have had £75,000 and they'd be getting built now because there would have been no planning there would have been nothing but the fans wanted it really. I don't think we should be if there's a delay in the building of the stadium I don't think we should be critical about the delay. No it's a very old building on it. Again this is what I was saying I can't get into conversations with people I see it all the time online where people constantly criticising the club and the board. I can't criticise them because I don't know what I'm criticising them about. I hope I'm not criticising them I'm not criticising the board I'm just raising the question It's not an easy decision for anyone. My fear is that we're spending £600 million a billion dollars on the stadium what impact is that going to be on the business that's not mature it's not necessarily healthy at this time because we're not generating the kinds of revenues that we need to do to support that kind of statement. Is the argument though that we're only ever going to generate that money if we move to a new stadium? No none at all. From a stadium point of view though go to some parks never going to generate that kind of money because case in point all of the lounges are getting redone right? But there's no extra space so there's no extra capacity No I'm not in any way I'm not good to some forever and I'm not on about let's turn the stadium around we have to move if we're going to be ambitious if we don't want to be ambitious and we want to just plod along fine actually you could have a good team then you could spend all your money on a good team but you can't though you can't you can't have a good team and have essentially have a stadium that doesn't produce money because FFP I know there's various ways around it but you just can't they've pulled the ladder up behind them that's the real problem isn't it we're not struggling with fees but you are right but then I know what you're alluding to better sponsors better kit deals better everything but that's where I think the stadium having an iconic stadium would help all that because then someone I think it's too late if you're waiting what was it four years for a stadium if you wait four years for a stadium if you wait four years to have Lanro over a Jaguar on your shirt I'm going to say these Benz or whatever it is Jeep or whatever international brand you have on your shirt or what major kit deals you have I think that's too late I think you need to have building your brand building your profile now building your international base comes together with the stadium what aren't you trying to do that I'm sure they're trying I'm not saying they are I have no doubts that they're trying and I'm not saying it's easy listen Jorah you've been a businessman you've been incredibly successful so what do you think Everton could be doing now to try to bridge that gap because quite clearly like Pett just said the stadium in 2023 we kick off Bright Sunshine at home to whoever and we win eight nil and our Brazilian centre for all I guess but how do we get from where we are today the end of the 2018-19 season we have to be perceived as we have to have an identity that's one thing we all have to agree upon whatever it is and the other thing it has to be we have to be successful and that could be that means winning things now David Dunn's has done a fantastic job winning the trophy tomorrow night it will be the double that will be a tremendous that will put a smile on our faces in our own way but we still need Brighton to roll over we need to be winning trophies we need to be going to Wembley we need to be there involved in these things we can't just throw away FA Cup runs at Millwall they are the important things we will break into the top six because one of them will fall out one of them will lose the sponsor and there will be friction within some of these clubs and we've got a chance to get there we've got to act together before we get there but I think we've got time now to get our act together and to move forward now we need success and I think from what we saw at the latter end of the season it looks like we've just started that whole season with one something we wouldn't have sucked three months off which effectively we did we've probably been the top four now or we've been the top six because we're only three or four wins away from it now anyway if everything comes to you today for advice from a business perspective winning stuff of course we all need to win stuff there's teams at the top our city rivals might end up with no trophies but could end up still be two that's the flip of it isn't it but what would your advice be to ever try to promote ourselves when you ever see everything the newspaper let's just use it as the old fashioned when you ever see us in there when we screw up or do something wrong or some idiot parks in the handicapped parking spot that's the only time now I'm saying negative it's a negative story or someone's I don't know there's been some incident of some sort that doesn't bode well for us or one of our players is likely to move to a top team we're never there about even in the community I think it's a great thing certainly is a great thing but it's not promoted internationally it's not promoted nationally we've got all these trophies and awards but it doesn't get the mileage it should get I'm not saying that's what our image that's what we should be our identity it's a part of being a good person which edited community which is a great thing to have but that will come under competition soon when Liverpool's foundation the Manchester United Foundation they're all following them you know that yourself Liverpool get that together but it's stupid isn't there having a conversation about charities once a person said to me you used to be a church with a football team and now you're a charity with a football team and 100 years later now you're absolutely right and you're right about the promoting the way the club is promoted I don't ever think of it for all the people who work there I think they just tend to pick the wrong things all the time to promote you know there's never there's never any good interviews with the manager or with the players they seem to pick and choose when they want those interviews to happen they only seem to be of a particular length they don't do it themselves why not have the manager sit down once a month with Everton the club and put it out there and get lots of good stuff then the press start picking all that up and going Everton did an interview I take the clips revealing the insights that we want to know Everton for me are terrified of the media absolutely terrified they're terrified all the time of someone saying something nasty about them and yet like you've just said that is the only time anyone ever seems to talk about ever and the other thing is we've become followers we once had a reputation of being innovators on the leading edge of doing stuff but Everton in the community may be the last example of us doing something but since then in most things we just copy what other people did what works at Sunday and we'll do what works at Newcastle but that's what we do can I just ask you another question on Twitter for you from Matt African Sunset 73 and said can you ask him if anything has changed since his last visit in relation to our image in the States where does he think there's an opening so from your perspective of living in Arizona Everton any bigger than you were last year has anything been done to make them bigger? we're small because other people because Liverpool are playing three games Notre Dame stadium which holds 110 Yankee Stadium Fenway Park two of the most iconic stadiums in America Amsterdam and Yankee Stadium Liverpool played Manchester United last year at Ann Arbor Michigan Stadium we're not we're falling behind slipping behind badly but now somebody once said that to me if you were going to open a pizza place would you have it one word there isn't anybody would you have it would there be nine other pizza places? would there be no would there be nine you know there's a market you just got to be better and there is a market in America the others are there and the Westhams are there the ones who are lower in our thoughts than those but they're there we just need to do it better it's pathetic I say it all the time it's pathetic how backwards we've gone in terms of one of the biggest emerging markets in the world and it's not even emerging anymore it's established now well I've said this what frustrated me is when we had the two greatest American soccer players of all time in Landon Donovan and Tim Howard the two that were only national names and we didn't even exploit it and we don't exploit it we could still exploit it we could Howard's finishing at the end of the season so he could come on and battle he was treating the bar ever he was treating the bar on last week we said this couple of weeks ago when the Ad Leonors went over there doing something for the why couldn't Everton get Tim Cale now that he's gone into retirement and get someone like Paul Ryder and get Paul Ryder to go and visit with Tim Cale and do a couple of nights at a pub and do something we've got 60-80 supporters clubs in America do you think about them and we've said this numerous times is that okay listen those supporters clubs are not necessarily huge on their own but together they do make a good sizeable Everton supporters Evertonians Evertonians are a certain age of everywhere when I had cancer I went over to they took me over flew me over helicopter to hospital in Vancouver and ripped me up being all like they do and do the things that they do to you the guy came into me and the head of the Canadian Medical Association is a Nevitonian and he had checked up on me with the guy who was doing the oncologist who was doing this and he came into me and he said well we've got some bad news for you you're not really making much progress but we've got some good news as you'll never see Everton playing Kirby but the only way Evertonians are everywhere the only way you're going to get them all together to do something to show the strength of them is to play a game this is what I would think in playing the game we've got this under 23 team the season is on get them out there now play every three games tours is Everton whatever put them a different name on but get the identity that women's football is popular get our girls over there this is the idea we had was to basically go to somewhere like Seattle Atlanta which you've got huge football markets take the first team take the under 23s and take the ladies team and just for a week make sure they play two or three games each the first team might play only a couple the 23s could play three games the ladies could play three games against local sides put coaching things on put signing sessions on have a mascot launch a kit while you're over there take over somewhere for a week I would do it for the summer I'd do it for like the equivalent of the MLS season because they play during the summer I'd say no not the first team I wouldn't send the first team over there but I'd take I mean even the lads who are on the fringes of our under 23 team say even the under 18 team get them over there get them some experience bring the coaches over there get people who recognise in the name in a very positive way put clinics on and you'd have a big batch have a pub where that's going to be our HQ and on the Friday night there's going to be an older legend and on the Saturdays there's going to be Dale or Howard I can't for the life of me I just I can't understand who makes the decisions and who hasn't decided because like you were saying before we may never get into that international champions thing like we were in a few years ago that seems to be a closed shop now for all the top names create something else create your own thing like the Harlem Globe just go around playing there both pays a tour or something and get them in on both and get them saying well we'll sponsor the tour because we're trying to build our name out in America and play other teams there's plenty of MLS teams there's plenty of other American teams out there that you could play there's loads of teams just floating about that you could go if every kid in America up to the age of 11 plays soccer boy or girl or mother everyone plays it it's all experience playing soccer it's a way of building teamwork and character so that everyone's interested in soccer it just happens that when they get to a South 11 they may find other things that they're interested in like most team most teenagers do off the pitch you've just mentioned their leadership in the boys room so how or who where does that come from well I would expand that into saying we need ambition we need vision we need planning we need to use hate to say this but our good neighbors is our model of how you do it I want to get into the individuals I think Denise is top class really doing I think the people Richard Kenyon and Contract Dave I think they're excellent people but you need additional people in there you need people in there that are not going to challenge them you know but they've got their own set of skills and experiences to bring in and I think that's what we're missing off the board maybe some new person out there that comes in who just sees it in a different way you know sees you know Marcel Brans is I like something called football but he knows European football but does he know much about expanding into international markets he knows much about building a club you know maybe that's a different species with a person like that come from wanting to expand would you hire someone on the basis of someone in the board and says we need to start exploiting these markets and this is how we're going to do it I think that may be below the board but what you bring in is a guy who has that vision we don't have at this time the Peter Moore guy who's been in America he knows how American sports were and he has a vision with his friends at Fenway they know where they're going given that everything's changing but given the fact that all these variables they still have a good idea where they're going and where they're going to be in five years time because the gap between us and them is getting bigger and it's going to be a lot bigger in five years time unless we start catching up do we need to go out then and head hunt someone from a big well I would hope that the people we have on the board and by that I mean could give me some names here Keith Harris with Mishiri Keith Harris Mishiri you would think that they know who these people are they've come across these people if not then you have to you have to find an agent who's going to go out I'm like you on that score I look at the board and I understand what they all do yeah but I don't see I don't see any imagination on it but what you get normally in businesses you get people who do a great job you know this is the remit this is a great job and they've done it better than the guy who was there before but they don't understand what the really the job is is the next level on they don't know the things that they're not doing and that's the kind of guy we want to bring in who knows what these extra things that guy person to bring in who knows what this is and then we can bring all the others along with him that's what our secret is we need the guy with the vision normally that comes from the owner I think in our case our owners seems to be a little bit disengaged let's say from it all so that's something so we've got that as I said before we've got to get rid of cut the dead wood we need some investment rather than just machinery you know we need to have other investment and let's hope this is good close buddy it comes across now one of the things that I must say I went to the shareholders meeting at the annual dinner which was very good starring Jimmy Martin and Lee Carsley and Lee Carsley both of them top class guys really our top class guys no football inside out Jimmy knows how to iron shirts and do those types of things but they're really our top class people and it seemed to me that in that room 20% of Everton's shares were owned by people in that room the small shareholders and there wasn't 1% of Everton football club there not one now it seems the irony to me is that when Mr. Masheery and Mr. Usmanoff had 20% of arsenal they used to bitch in morning about being on the board and not being invited into things and I think hopefully somebody passes this on to it would be a significant move forward engagement with the rest of the shareholders if you show up to one of these things because come the end of the day he's going to own 80% and they'll own 20% and he needs to reach out to them now I fully agree fully agree to expect to be someone a representative there right I'm done and a paper you want to talk about something else I think we've covered quite enough to be fair are they consistent with your thoughts to be fair you're a lot more cutthroat than I am but that's good and less understanding no no I think you're right I think you've not messed about I think that's probably why you are where you are and I am where I am what about you what do you say do I disagree with you disagree with me in terms of what the players I think I agree with I think I agree with most of what you're saying there's a couple of variances but it was only in your ratings not who we keep and who we don't keep I think I agree with them as you already what you're saying with who we keep and who we don't because that's how it is it's obvious I used the exact bar that you used which is would he get in the team above us would he get in the top 6 and if he don't you see I don't look at it the top 6 to me is just something that people like to make up to to create the divisions in a league the top 3 are ahead of everybody and I know spares are fourth but I think spares are miles better than Chelsea I think spares are struggling because of the injuries they haven't got a deep squad I think it's city Liverpool are by far the best spares I think Chelsea and I said Arsenal are much of a muchness and I think everyone will catch one if not two do you really? Emory to me doesn't know whether he's coming or going so you think we are buying for fifth place then well I think it depends what we do that's the thing if everything continued the way it was I would have no doubt we'd be pushing for the top 4 but they could try and 3 brilliant plays in the summer and I we sit here and we chew the fat here but I'm really glad we've got Mishiri on board where we'd be without him it would be it really would be and where we would have without a lot of the people that we talk about we've made mistakes embarrassing mistakes disappointing mistakes but no one would be more disappointed than the owner I think what I would say is the last time you were in the difference what we've had David is now for me it feels as though we're at year one now really this is what should have happened in year one of Israel and it didn't but I now feel with the likes of brands and where we're going with Mark on the plays we've got we're at almost as if we've pressed the reset but what's the goal for next year then? Winner Trophy League Cup Winner Derby and you were saying fifth to sixth that to me has got to be where we're aiming for because anyone else around us would say that and I include you in that they'd be saying we need to win a trophy we need to finish higher up and the last 10 games I've proved that ever we've got a clean cheat in 10 games normally on an upward spiral like this you take that into next season you can't knock and go at once I remember just before you close I remember you know when you realise that you've got a good team you know and I'm going to the Peter Reed dinner on Friday Peter Reed dinner and do you remember in our championship season we haven't paid the lekkie we played we played Sunday and we beat them 4-1 do you remember the game they scored in the first minute 85 seconds and then you know and they got two players that were just unbelievable Trevor Steven got one who got the other one Sharp claims it Sharp he was giving it instead of taste but it was a trophy but on that day on that day you came away thinking we've got a good team we've got a real chance well I looked at the game against Burnley the only game I've seen obviously this season and I felt like for that first half an hour these are what Dave Prentice calls them the green shoots that are popping up I think this time next year we may need a weed whacker or something to I come in on Friday night at half 11 or midnight or whatever and I said the same to you I don't want to get ahead of myself but I feel watching this team like this team's finally got one where it's finally competing again and listen we're never toning so we'll always have that little fear but you've got to keep the faith you've got to tell people what you've got and I believe we've got a side and if we keep going and we keep shooting and we get a striker then people need to watch out next season because I think we need to keep going we need to keep going or replacing with someone very very good that's where we are we've covered just about everything in the show I think Dr. France we don't get him in that often so when he comes over we're just going to let him talk well I remember the first time I talked to you on the phone it lasted about three hours was it yeah I think it was about might have been more I've literally got some questions for you Ian Martin has said how has David how Walter and Martha are from Ian in Boston Ian Walter passed away nice for Ian no Ian, Walter was a great he's a Cockerspaniel both Cockerspaniels English Cockerspaniels Walter would watch the match with me that's Trophy lovely show it to the camera you're meshing me for one this is Trophy I can't go anywhere and you're not going to see it so Walter would sit with me and as I would swear at the television he would look disgustingly at my my language so he passed away so now with Martha I take her out very late at night in the skies in Arizona black and Walter stars up there and I say to Martha one day I want to be the person that Walter thinks that I am that's very true of every dog very dog look this is off Fugazi 140 have you heard about any plans some of your collection into the new stadium it's a very good point that there's something that I'm very frustrated about it's now over 12 years since we completed the deal 15 years since we embarked on 3 years of negotiation and I have I've always been very supportive of us but if we're not going to show it at Everton then we need to show it to other people because it's other people's history where is it right now it's in the records office and spread out I was going to say it's not all there though and I know this was a part of the contract this wouldn't happen but like if the folks at Anfield want to see it then I have no problem now them seeing it put some of it on display at Anfield because it's part of the history particularly the formation of Liverpool football they should not be denied it because we're not moving this thing forward so I don't know I'm sure as we all know that there'll be a big museum where you'll see maybe when you guys go see whatever it is you're going to see in the near future that there will be a big museum for it because it is still the world's greatest collection but we can't have it just locked away the intent was that it would one of the conditions was it would be plugging the website so you could see things on the website but most important is that it would be available to the people of Merseyside and they failed to do that and I find that a little bit frustrating particularly since I'm in ill health and I'm looking at what time do I have left in all seriousness I would like to see it in a museum where one day I could walk around and look at myself and say it's a nice work isn't it it was worthwhile I've blew trophy 72 could you ask the doctor if he was brand what striker would he sign no how much money we got no no let me tell you I don't know it depends what money we have but I would I'd just sell up all the ones we've talked about selling up and put all the money in buying the striker I'd buy the best top class one we could get but it would have to be someone with the right kind of attitude the last thing we want is someone to come over here on 200,000 a week and does nothing and does he throw his hands up in the air we've got everyone that really wants but he comes for the right reasons whatever that may be and finally Homesy 73 what will you miss most about Gouldersen Park when we leave I was in the I sat next to my good friend Dave Prentice at the the Burnley game in the press box which is like his floor contortionist if you know that and I'm not very good on my feet now so I'm coming down the walkway to get to the exit I'm holding everybody up but you get used to that when you get to my age so I'm holding everybody up and I'm coming down and it's the end of the game the sky has gone red I mean you notice it was black with tinge of red in it the rain's coming down the lights are on and that grass was just it looked so lush and beautiful and that's what I'd miss I remember the seeing the grass at Gouldersen just magnificent that's one of the first things I remember about going to Gouldersen you know when you come down the in those days you came down the territories and you saw that grass it was just incredible so it's still the same yeah what a place it's a special the whole going to Gouldersen for me the experience of going there and you know we're all in this and we're all in this together and the bonds are so special now before you close let me say what a great job you two do I really sincerely believe that you mean I remember one time I said I promise you and the offer has now expired so I offered to take you out if you got to 12,000 subscribers and now you've got 32,000 you don't need 20,000 later yeah I think you've done I think you've done this now what you would have promised us for 30,000 I don't think we didn't we didn't think that we needed a leave we didn't have a vision for 30,000 you might just keep taking it along there you go big thanks to Dr.France as ever for coming on and all his wisdom no matter what anyone says he simply is the greatest ever Tony Mr.Everton over here flights from Houston every Friday night 23 hours this time he's had a stroke he's had a major heart attack and he's still coming over to watch Everton play football and come to see us this video has been about 3 hours long but who cares because how often have we got Dr.France big thanks to here big thanks to you for watching and if you want more check out all of these how many books? 17 Everton books go and find them they're all on Amazon and other places go on a small shop buy his book thanks for watching we'll see you later