 Global Just Recovery Gathering. Welcome, everyone. My name is Mahil Gaz. I'm based in Turkey. My name is Mahil Gaz. I'm one of the scientists of 350. There are a few of us here. One of the things we're going to talk about today is... ...we're going to talk about fatigue, anxiety, and anxiety. And, of course, we're going to talk about how we can help us navigate through this conversation. I'd like to introduce you to the co-barrett... ...co-barrett oceanography institution. George Marshall... ...and he's been working with governments, with governments, with governments, with institutions... ...and he's been working with German activists. Rene Lentman... ...is a person working in the psychology field in social sciences. Rene is also regularly... ...a person working for the agency. Thank you for joining us during these difficult times. The anxiety created by the pandemic has been compounded... ...by the anxiety created by the pandemic and the depression. Now, I'd like to talk about how we can take all of that in stride... ...and stay active in the climate. It's a very short one. There's music that postures your courage. It's called... Let me die in my footsteps, which I like. George, do you have one yourself? I'm a huge fan of... ...old jazz. I actually have a wine record player, which I... ...like it's at the end of the Zoom calls I go. Louis Armstrong and Hot Fives. Rene? I think we just got a preview of you on Desert Island. So, good warm-up for that. I've been preparing for it for years. I can tell you've got it down. I came to Kirtan, actually. And I really love putting on like Neva Carmel or some... ...Kristina Doss when the going gets cuffed... ...when the... What are you called? Oh boy, you're diving right into the differences between us... ...in a very interesting way. I'm a big fan... ...like grateful dead music... ...and there's a whole genre of bands that kind of have... ...grateful dead stuff. And what I love about it is... ...the true improvisational nature... ...of the way that they approach... ...some jam in the middle of a song... ...but often the jam between... Improvisation... ...the same jamming... ...we're just taken along. I'm grateful that... I just find that to be a fascinating way to engage with music as a listener. I really like that part of the music. What do you call Luisa? Talking of differences... ...in the... ...all of us... ...in a completely different way, I guess. So when I get out there... ...you give me a guitar... ...or when I have a piano nearby... ...I'd say, yeah... ...and if I have a guitar... ...or if I can play the piano... ...except for like... ...you know... ...the thing here that you usually cramp so much... ...like... ...that was on my face and so on. And that's one thing... ...and then for that it's... ...classical music. And besides the couple of my friends... ...in these... ...talk about some stereotypes here... ...and a couple of my friends... ...are playing in some indie... ...pop rock bands... ...and I love... ...their... ...smiles... ...and some of them... ...make music and I remember... ...what they always think about it. And I think it's a beautiful idea... ...of people to produce something that is... ...existing... ...only in a moment... ...always inherently... ...well... ...well... ...this is your copy mechanism... ...you're done... ...if you come up with an idea like this... ...let's leave the panel here... ...uh... ...so what's your take on... ...the role of... ...the... ...oceanography... ...what are some... ...can it be considered... ...one of the two... ...our quest for just 30 minutes? Yeah, thanks for everything. I guess it makes sense for me... ...to look at my back as a scientist... ...on this panel... ...I mean obviously... ...he has been a key to this whole... ...issue of climate change... ...you know... ...over 30 years ago... ...climate scientists put the issue... ...in the forefront of our minds... ...and over the years... ...he... ...advanced our understanding... ...and moving actually... ...from questions like... ...is climate change happening... ...to... ...you know... ...are humans causing this? Yes... ...and now... ...in my neighborhood... ...uh... ...obviously... ...a part of the... ...picture... ...but recently as I've been... ...kind of thinking about it... ...especially in terms of... ...what we were going to talk about today... ...I mean... ...it's important to understand... ...groups like the one... ...that I'm using... ...if these movements have to do with... ...the issue of science... ...and they lead with science... ...but they add something really... ...really important to the conversation... ...and that is... ...you know... ...the science... ...can be very logical... ...but I'm kind of thinking... ...I know sometimes... ...but what I find... ...and with other approaches... ...to solving... ...the challenges... ...it brings us into them... ...it brings us into... ...kind of... ...needing to work in solidarity... ...with one another... ...and... ...I recently saw... ...I guess it was the secretary general of the UN... ...talking about the... ...in a short time... ...and he was saying... ...we need solidarity... ...and I thought... ...we need that... ...we need science... ...but we also need to be... ...working kind of... ...emphatically together... ...on solutions... ...but we also need... ...to work together... ...and realizing that we kind of... ...all need to go together... ...as we need to... ...all the same... ...and it's... ...an interesting thing... ...to think about because... ...you know often... ...there's a little bit of a... ...we know the science... ...there's a little bit of... ...friction between folks... ...who are not actively working hard on climate... ...and those who are... ...and almost... ...almost a sense sometimes that... ...it's only with the science... ...who would now... ...challenging all of us... ...to act... ...but it wouldn't be... ...mischievous... ...some of them... ...not actively working... ...on climate issues... ...because they're not... ...that they're daily one of the issues... ...in fact some of them are very well versed... ...on the science... ...it's more that... ...if they have their own interests... ...that they need to address... ...and so... ...you know... ...I think it's important for us... ...to be compassionate... ...and understanding... ...and to be working... ...not actively working... ...and had in this way... ...but how do we bring people together... ...on climate... ...or to this... ...that actually... ...had actually a solid problem... ...on climate issues... ...and climate change... ...and I think... ...you know... ...a focus on solidarity... ...and really how we do together... ...is an important part of that. So I think that's what I'll stop for now... ...and hope to get to... ...you know, have some conversation... ...on these types of projects... ...once more... ...on the science... ...and about... ...our tendency... ...nor... ...that science which you talked about... ...in the book... ...that came out in 2014... ...why are we... ...why are our brains... ...why are we that important... ...and... ...how can we change that... ...or change... ...the seven years... ...make on this... ...and maybe... I really liked what you were saying... ...and drawing out... ...the ideas of approaches... ...based in the social... ...and the cultural... ...as well as for kind of... ...the... ...the data-driven science... ...and we need the science... ...but I guess the point I made in my book... ...I think still holds very strongly... ...is for the actually... ...people's primary... ...smores of information... ...and that you can say... ...that they're scientific facts... ...but there's also social facts... ...and I think... ...the primary reason is why... ...well, climate change is inherently hard to accept... ...but in the... ...we're actually very good at ignoring... ...the social issues... ...we try and ignore things... ...which are damaging... ...or that we already have... ...the scientific data... ...or other things... ...so... ...if something is part and parceled... ...who we are... ...and the world around us... ...and the society and the identity... ...that we have... ...and we take them on board... ...if ever events to us... ...if ever events to us... ...if ever events to us... ...if ever events to us... ...is possibly completely ignore all of the data... ...back to the ages... ...or are in fact the roots of the race... ...and so... ...we do that very well with climate change... ...and I think... ...I think it's very recognizeable... ...the fact that there is a wider sense of... ...blogging... ...that there is a wider sense of... ...longing... ...one of the biggest ones... ...is why the climate change... ...is very hard to accept... ...and I can understand... ...one of the biggest ones... ...and if... ...the solution for me... ...was to engage with... ...a lot of the positive and... ...involving... ...the sense of identity... ...I'll come back to that... ...but I think the first thing for us... ...in terms of dealing with it... ...is to recognize the mechanism... ...by which we speak... ...that is interesting... ...that it can be achieved... ...by giving you attention... ...and dealing with it... ...and usually... ...there are many of the ways... ...they behave... ...about distance... ...where they present... ...the most appalling... ...and challenging material... ...with its history... ...where it's presented... ...very dry... ...and abstract term... ...what it feels like... ...or what it's supposed to be... ...or the impact... ...of professional science... ...as a decision maker... ...I know very well... ...that science... ...is very likely... ...I know of many... ...I think it's really to recognize... ...that we have a 10 years... ...this isn't now... ...this isn't here... ...this isn't something... ...we... ...and we tend not to talk about it... ...but again... ...it's still... ...disturbing to me... ...how their lives... ...explicit... ...it's here... ...and of course... ...that means... ...you don't talk about it... ...the solution is all involved... ...engaging with it... ...and accepting it... ...so saying... ...this is something we need to talk about... ...this is something... ...you share with your friends... ...the single most important... ...indeed I think... ...your own behavior... ...is to take a lot of people around you... ...especially to know that... ...and with your friends' wages... ...and that... ...and I guess as I kind of like... ...put a whole lot of stuff out on the table... ...I guess I'd like to say... ...and I'd like to invite the other people... ...on the panel... ...to share your own experience... ...in dealing with this internal conflict... ...and pain that this city causes us... ...I don't know... ...it's actually through... ...a sense of joy... ...through the last days of my work... ...so... ...I love the people I work with... ...I love what I feel empowered... ...and how I did it... ...but I have optimism... ...and that's what gives me... ...a drive to keep going with something... ...what could otherwise feel... ...overwhelming... ...and again it's that positive social narrative... ...of coming together... ...and being in a sense of clips of purpose... ...is ultimately the only way... ...of coming together... ...to share your own experience... ...and again I want you to share your experience... ...through the last days of my work... ...in the sense that we have a responsibility... ...to change activists... ...for how we present ourselves... ...to the outside world... ...so I need to talk to that... ...hostess a little bit more... ...the way we are the postage short... ...like we are the face of this issue... ...for most people... ...if we present the face of this bear... ...or... ...or... ...a spare or grease... ...to the outside world... ...people are going to look at us... ...and say well whatever it is... ...let's do it and bring the crisis to the table... ...we are the faces of the crisis... ...of the positive world... ...and people say yeah... ...I want to be with them... ...I want to be part of what they are doing... ...I want to be part of them... ...I want to be one of them... ...to listen to what they are doing... ...to be part of them... ...Röne... ...you have a new project going on... ...you have a new project going on... ...some kind of project... Sure, thank you. Thanks for having me. There's so much to respond to and what's been shared already that build on what co-kicked us off with and what George has built on. George has continued to talk to us. Of course, to be very careful with the actors and how we communicate, we have a very big responsibility and George is joining us. The most important thing we can do is to communicate and establish a relationship. Actually, how we communicate is important. How we give messages, how we communicate. Actually, dynamics and interactions. Who you are as a creator, as a scientist, as an intellectual, as a student, as a CEO, whatever you are. If you are actually in the pursuit of change, you need to level yourself up, you need to get yourself together, you need to get yourself together. So that we can really be effective, and we can really be effective in this conversation. And I think this is not important, because at the high bar, it's almost like a fist. It's almost like a final human class. So how do you navigate? You bring things to life, raise your temporarily, wants to be around you for Holy Church. When people are thinking high, and you're going to be integrated from there, and everything will be organized to an intelligent person. What energy do you think that we're not taking? So, our anxieties, our anxieties, our fears, and how we're not spreading that around. I mean, even if it wasn't for the intention, we wouldn't have done this. Rosemary, she talked about it a couple of years ago. She talked about a whole bunch of hot potatoes. She was talking about a whole bunch of potatoes. I mean, I'm trying to tolerate this, and I'm trying to spread it around. This is very important, but this is something that weakens our efforts. Because the project we're talking about is Project Insight Out. It's a project Insight Out and it's funded by the internet site. It's funded by the internet site. We're doing a lot of research into the tools and brainwashing that George has mentioned. We're doing a lot of research into the tools and brainwashing that can be used by the activists. And the project Insight Out is the more important tool that we're trying to create. How do we do that? That's the whole way that we motivate someone to have to take care of their own care. How do I make sure that people don't have to be either taken care of by the nation or by the way they really care how they live and how they really understand what they're doing and how they guide on the work that they're doing so many organizations, especially the diet and since they're talking about it, how do we take care of ourselves and how do we make that out of our critical actions? How do we tie this together? That's something that I like to do. You know, I'm sure that I'm feeling all the same with you, while you're with something I'm looking at my pills, I'm looking at my medical pills. How do you know what you're talking about? Actually, it's not neutral at all. They're always accepted as emotional. How do you know what you're talking about? That's not the right question. How are we actually going to do it? How are we actually going to keep our tolerance high? The fact that you're saying that you're not alone, and that you're not alone, and that you're together, and how are we going to do it? Let's see what kind of experiments we can have. It's important to make it normal. I mean, fear is normal. I mean, hope for despair. It's not a matter of hopelessness anymore. We're in a very human, existential, we're in a very human, existential moment. It's seen as an existential level. You know, we're going to have a well-being. Of course, it's going to be a very emotional thing. Yes. It's also a huge opportunity for the team and for something to be expected from them. It's possible to do it in a way that we never thought it would be possible. We have to make our own efforts, our contacts, our partnerships, our participation in the wider community and our groups. How do we bring this together? I'm going to go back to Switzerland now and I'm going to ask you this, is it possible to use these types of vehicles or approaches? Is it possible? Is it possible to think about the times? How do you start? I'm very impressed with the way you speak. I speak here as a young and young person. I thought it was a very difficult situation for me to be an active activist. My whole life has been like this. And I just feel like I'm going through a catastrophe. I'm 24 years old. And when I think about it five years later, I feel like I'm dying, of course. And I feel like I'm falling back. I'm very affected by death. I'm afraid. And at some point, you understand the seriousness of the issue as an activist. And every minute, every minute, whatever you do, it's very, very easy. I think it doesn't mean anything anymore. It's important for us to have Friday in our game because it makes sense. Whatever we do, it is very difficult to shape. And I think it's a very difficult situation. I believe that it could be about age. We think about it a little bit. We're starting to think about it a little bit more. And we don't have that. We don't, for a century, in relation to the 21st century, we don't have much relationship with the 21st century. We don't have any connections between these two. We're just encountering them everywhere. I feel, and I think many people think so too. But the most helpful thing to do for me at least is to be active. It's a thing that I don't matter. And so I decided that I wouldn't do anything or when I'm not doing anything or when I want to do something, there's a difference and there's a very important difference because it creates a difference to remain silent. But when you do something, you're actually doing better during all this crisis. So as a young person, it's hard to make a decision. When you do something, you're going to create a difference. It can be very free, but at the same time, it can be incredibly scary. You can do everything you want. When you grow up, if you grow up in a separate community and there are a lot of young people who are sending you tours, activities, no one's telling you this big, human moment, no one's telling you where to take it. When you think about it that way, when you think about it, when you think about it in a wider context, I feel that it's important to take all of this out when you know it's going to be this way, what can be buried, what can't be, we think about all of these all the time, and I feel like I'm thinking that these three areas are important. We talk a lot about natural sciences, actually. I want to talk about science, and then I want to talk about science. You mentioned science, you said very good things. I believe in that too. Science is just about natural sciences. Of course, it's not just about science. Everybody has to understand that. And we talk about molecules directly. People are teachers, and we don't know how to understand it from the social perspective. How are we going to survive as humans? How are we going to survive as a society? When we talk about the crisis, and because obviously it's a kind of connection, and that when we don't establish human connections, we can say very important things. I try to remain, and I try to understand more, how are we going to survive as humans? There's one of the most important conversations, about the crisis and our feelings. What do you feel about the crisis? Last year, at the conference, a lot of important things were said. I remember one of the most important conversations. He said, hello, I'm your father, and I'm afraid. Okay, so you know, this is okay, this is what we need to talk about, and I feel like we need to teach ourselves about the crisis in this way. What do we hope, what do we need? Why are we afraid? We need to say, we need to make these areas, these kinds of messages. I feel that is as far as possible, as a way of thinking, but it's actually important. And to a point, this may be some lessons from the coronavirus pandemic, and it may have to do with every room in the picture where we see the crisis. So as humans, we are in a crisis, and who we are and what we do, and how we act in a crisis situation. This is something that makes us feel that we are in a crisis, and I try to understand it. What am I doing? Who am I? Who am I in the pandemic? Some of the games of mind may be very nice, but this is actually a big question. We are in a crisis as a human being, and we always say that it will be hard in the years to come. Let's be a part of it. We were talking about it, but a small virus, a disease, it turned into a pandemic at one point. We couldn't even imagine it. And when we talk about the difficulties, we learned how easy it was to understand ourselves. And we need to develop a kind of approach. We need to develop such a concept as we are human beings. I think that's a really critical mechanism to develop some mechanisms to understand this. That was really a deep conversation with me as an activist. Could I just add one more thing? I want to say one more thing. I want to say one more thing, because I feel that it's a different thing from the idea that maybe it just doesn't work. Maybe we would make a cutie and maybe it would be better. I don't know what kind of time and life we are trying to have. We have everything we have and everything we have lost in solidarity and love. We need to be here for each other and I want to open up with these emotions. Maybe it just doesn't work out. I don't know. And maybe it just takes us to a point. How do we fight? What do we fight for? I think it's just a small little bit because I want to give you a little bit of insight on your perspective so much. And I think it's a really nice point and so many things we've been talking about and I'd like to point out the challenge and the opportunity that the coronavirus has created and just the entire globe has had to change our way of interacting with the virus. It's just sort of fundamentally changed. It's just sort of fundamentally changed. But it's also, I think, I don't have small children and I don't have children and I don't have children and I don't have children and I don't have children and I don't have children and I don't have stress and my job is just going on and I'm not as stressed and I'm not as human as many people are. But I also spent 30 years in my life in the year. I'm a climate expert and I've spent my entire climate and I've been able to do it and I've spent my entire life in the year. And then I was a bit from for my greenhouse gas, my carbon dioxide, carbon dioxide for me and I felt like I was putting my feet on the ground and that's what I do. I have a different way of putting my feet on the ground and I feel like because we're all working remotely and we're working out we're working out especially close friends and I'm really happy that all my life and I love when someone the whole family and I love when someone the whole family is always together and it's really nice if we could spend time together and the time we were working when we were working I understand that they are human beings, and I think it's very harmful to the humanity of people who come together to the humanity of people. And I think, you know, I think reduction of around 7% of what we've done, we didn't solve the problem in this way. We want to do this in a very purposeful way. But in our opinion, we are a judge, a judge, a judge, a judge, a judge, a judge, a judge, a judge. Because we're not going to work in the old ways. Because we're working from a distance, or we're working from a distance. When we have our virtual meetings, or we have a challenge, we're doing the same thing on the internet. But we're not going to work in the same technology, or we're working in the same technology, but we're working in the same technology. And we're working to the piracy system, because we're working to the piracy system. The water gun, or whatever you say, is not going to come from a few people, it's just going to come from more than a few people. I just want to say there are opportunities that are available to us, and I hope we will be able to use them. George, you continue. I think I will continue in a few points. By leaving a few points in front of you. I would like to say this after all of this. If you were afraid, you said there was no problem. I think there is a lot of evidence to say that there is a certain emotional difficulty and the first point is to accept the first step. This is hard. Maybe we have lost a lot of things. We can create a community together. We can create a community that we can look at each other. I think this is the case with COVID-19. In fact, it is very important to have a collective understanding and a kind of collective chain understanding. I think this is very important. Thank you for the presentation. I have been positive for the last 10 years. I have always been bright. We are smart. We have very high capacities. We have technology. I think this doesn't work. We know it doesn't work because we are in mind. Because we have done a lot of tests in my institution with a lot of people. It is hard to say this, but we can achieve this together. There is a lot of work to be done at many points. We have worked with a lot of different people in these focus groups. In North India, in North Africa, in Canada, for example, I had to run a project like this. In fact, in many places, these kinds of messages have been created and how we can work with people. I think we have to continue at this point. Thank you very much, George, for being here. You are actually getting close to the end of our panel. Don't believe in what you want. Let's do a quick tour. The person who wants can answer right away. One of the things that scares me is what you say on the ground. Yes, it can be scary, but at the same time, we have responsibility. How are we going to give our messages? One of the things that scares me is that all these conversations, actually a half centimeter conversation is not possible? What does it mean? Why are we so obsessed with this? Why are we so obsessed with this? Why should we do the best we can to make it as fair as we can? What should we do? What is the best we can get? We don't know why we are so obsessed with this. There are so many things about it. Of course, I represent psychology through the psychological way we speak. What can we do? How do we work on our knowledge? How do we get away from it? We have to fixate on some of the reasons why we are so obsessed with this. There are more complex issues. There are things that are not clear. Actually, I have a point of view. That should be a clue. That should be a clue. And actually, we are actually going on. We are actually going on. Why are we so obsessed with this? Generally, we see this. Why are we so obsessed with this? Actually, it gives us a kind of instinct and a sense of certainty. And in this kind of conversation, we are actually going on. So, to me, the refraining is actually a curiosity. Well, again, keep in mind, every day, we have to say this. Yes, this is a very difficult thing. Look at us. How much do we work on this? We just step into a conversation. We try to move this to another direction. We feel the need for that. We have to say this. How to connect everything together. We are trying to do this so beautifully and smoothly. And this is actually another high level. How do we get in touch with these issues? One of the things I want to say is in 20% of the message, in this environment, in the world, we are saying that one of the most broken countries in the world is not a country. We are already in the process. So, we are already in the process. So, we are already in the process. We are talking about this. And all of a sudden, this distant problem is right in your life. It's like it's far away. It's like it's in your life. And I think that is potentially the most powerful about taking out one of the kind of scientific pieces that goes into 1.5. It is now. Now, we are going to talk about the issue. In my opinion, it was a great honor to be together with these panelists. I hope everyone was able to talk about it. I wish you all the best. I wish you all the best. I wish you all the best. I wish you all the best. I wish you all the best.