 Okay, welcome back. Let's start off with the question. Yes, Prince. The whole process of counseling is to identify, especially now as we are doing this, it's like we're trying to explore the problem of a person and try to give them, make him understand what is the solution he can take. Can we also counsel ourselves? If you ask the right questions, you may not be able to counsel. You can explore a lot of things yourself, but it may be limited because you're in the thick of those emotions. So it's always helpful to get support from somebody else who's able to see things a little bit more objectively. Writing. Yeah, you couldn't just think you're right. You should maybe write. But so what does a counselor help to do is they are able to keep aside the emotions and help you with the questions to let you think in a certain direction. When I am dealing with a problem and I'm so filled with an emotional space to keep aside that emotions and think rationally takes a little bit of effort. So I may not be able to do that because I'm so steeped in that emotion that time. But then when I mean when there is someone else, they are able to be more objective than I am. And that's why it's helpful to have a they're not involved in those the feeling of those emotions right now. I'm feeling it and I'm also trying to navigate that. But it is it can be done if you if you're able to calm yourself and give yourself some time and say, OK, I'm feeling like this. Let me let me give myself a few days to think. And that's what a lot of us do. Right. We we try and work out our problems ourselves. Right. So that's what we all do. OK. All right. So we were at we were at gold. Sorry. Move a slide. Sorry. Now is it moving? Sorry. I didn't move this slide. So sorry. OK. So so in the previous previous what did we see? We said that to clarify those problem feelings. Right. So I think what we need to understand in Dennis here is that this is argumentative behavior, his aggressive behavior that poor emotional responses, the poor relationship with his professor, the low self esteem. His problem with authority all came out of that negative emotion of anger of resentment and probably a poor relationship with his parents. So we understand that that's where all of this is stemming up from. So the next thing is like we said, we are identifying the goal oriented or the problem behavior. That's what we are attempting to do to identify what that problem behavior is. Now, when you when you see this, the what is his goal? If if you see his his chosen goal is that he needs something to help him cope with his disappointment and anger. And what is that good thing he found was alcohol. So that is his chosen behavior, chosen goal. So what you're attempting to do through through this conversation is to see if he's open and the willingness to change the goal. Post. Okay, because right now taking to alcohol could be something to get even with his father. Right. So if he takes alcohol, will he fulfill his father's dream of becoming an engineer. So in in some way, his behavior actually is not really doing what his father wants. Isn't it? He's getting into alcohol. He's doing badly in college. So he's definitely not going to fulfill his father's dream, but he hasn't realized that it's not going to fulfill even his dream. Right. So he's come to a place of destroying himself so much that maybe his authorities will throw him out of college. Right. So in a very unconscious way, he's attempting to destroy life for himself. Maybe he's not really conscious, but it's coming out of that negative emotions that negative space. All right. So that's what you're identifying to figure out what what his current behavior is. And we see that his behavior in order to cope with something negative he has used alcohol. So once you have got that you the next thing that you're doing is you're identifying the wrong beliefs or the wrong strategies that are underlying the problem. You're actually looking at what is the wrong belief that he has. So maybe some of his beliefs are like this. My father does not love me. He doesn't care about my wishes. Probably that's a wrong belief. Right. Or alcohol will help me get over my pain or disappointment or being a rock band rock band singer will make me a fulfilled person. So all of this is something that you want to come to a place to highlight so he can begin to identify what is he that what is it that he's pursuing. So the main goal of exploration in this area is to understand what is wrong with this belief that is actually driving Dennis. And that comes only when you you empathize with him and bring up probably the question is what do you think this disappointment does to you. So he may say I know I'm disappointed because I'm disappointed. I don't have anything else to do. So I take in alcohol and I know that will hurt my father. Right. So you so there may be this and these beliefs are not something he's going to openly tell you but then as you explore is what he's going to do. So what you're doing is you it's important that once you have an idea about these wrong basic beliefs you are able to build a greater picture of what he wants. So we hear itself. You see that there is a lot of issues with self-esteem. Correct. There's remember those three things value security security significance and self-worth self-worth significance security. So here you can see there is a lot of issues with the with the fact of his own self-worth. Okay. So we identify the problem feelings. We identify what the behavior has been. We identify the beliefs that are there behind this this basic behavior. And what are you doing next? Once you have identified this next you are helping them to personalize the problem. What is personalized the problem mean to take responsibility of their own situation. Right. So what you are helping your counseling do is to become aware that he is also a part of that problem. Okay. And you're not saying that saying hey Dennis you are a part of your own problem. That's not how you bring it about. But the more that you address his feeling the more that you're able to address the thoughts behind it. He probably comes to this statement. I'm disappointed that I was not allowed to follow my dream and I need something to help me cope. Although I know alcohol is not the answer but I can't help it anymore. Right. So what have you done? He's begun or you've bought him to a point where he has been able to personalize his problem to say that I am wrong. So often it is true that as human beings we always blame others when something goes wrong. Who did he blame here? His father. His father. Right. So he's blamed his father. Now if you are going to stand alongside with him and blame his father too you're not helping him. But that does not mean you support the father also. Okay. Yeah. So in a conversation you may say something like you feel disappointed because your father had these expectations on you. Okay. So in that way you're showing him that he says yes I'm really upset with my father. Right. So my next question would be having understood or having known that your father has expectations of this of you. If there was something you could do to change your own situation what would you do? So father when you talk to the father that time you'd ask the father what he can do. So there you're giving a suggestion. Right. So what am I saying? What did the question is saying? If you could change the situation in some way what would you do? So he said maybe I should talk to my father. Right. Or he'll say I know alcohol is a problem. I need to get out of this. Got that? Yeah. So you are moving him to make a choice to make a decision about something. Okay. So the meaning of personalizing is to helping them become aware of their own problems. So to explore how they are a part of their own problem. All right. So if we finish fast we'll probably do a role play. I'll be the counsellor one of you but I need somebody to be a counsellor. And I can help you to see how the questions move in such a way that will help you personalize and think about it. Okay. So we'll try. Yeah. Others it's not counseling. It is advice giving. Isn't it? Right. It's getting them to look deep in themselves to find out what is causing the problem. So Dennis my anger, my irritation is causing the problem. Why? Because I'm angry with my dad. And for that what am I doing? I'm probably doing this. I need to realize that okay I'm there. You keep trying. So that now that is a belief. If me as a counsellor I believe that Anand will never get it. That is the way that I believe about you. And so the way that I help you is going to be like that. But that I will say. Sorry. Yeah. But so that's what I'm saying. It really matters the attitude that I have towards you. So if I say even if Anand 10 times I talk to him if he if he still thinks he can't do anything about it. I know that he can do something about it. I believe that he can do something. He has God's given him the ability, the idea, the thoughts to think. So the more what I do, I'll keep pushing you with questions till a place you come and say. Oh yes. I shouldn't give up. It's like helping the other person do it exactly. So I'm going to bring you to that place to say it is it's only in your hands that you can think about what is the next thing you can do. You use your resources. Maybe I'll go back to God and pray. I say wonderful because that's what you decided. That's what you will do because if I say Anand you should seek a lot today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I try to you because it didn't come. Ma'am like we know like we can't give suggestions but we only help them to seek the solution for them. But what if they are in a place that they want to only ask for what you want me to do. Like instead of we telling them what you want to do, what if they are in a place of asking us what I have to do. Welcome. They will say I've come to you. You tell me what to do. Right. So, but that is that's something that we need as a counselor needs to understand that is the pattern of people. That's how generally people I don't want to think you tell me and then tomorrow what happens. They'll blame you. I didn't do that that the counselor told me to do so I did it. That's that is the normal tendency of people. Right. So, when someone asked me what do you think I should I should do said I'd like to hear from you. What would you like to do first? I don't know. I said think a little bit. Take some time to think. Give it a day to think. It's very important that you don't suggest something. See, you can again when I say suggestions in later on you will see there are some things sometimes you you can bring about suggestions but not say you should do this. What you could say is there are certain certain thoughts or certain ways some of this can be worked out. One is this or one is that one is this. Is this something you'd like to look at or do you have something else you can give an option like giving there is biryani there is fried rice there is lime rice there is fully agree which would you like this or do you have a third fifth one. That's possible but you don't say you know you should be able to do this. Yeah, so so that is correct and that's what people do but as a counsellor your your basic profession is to help them to help themselves. You're teaching them how to fish even though it is hard even though it takes 10-15 sessions you stick by it. Yeah, yeah it is work. It's a lot of work. Okay, so where were we? Yeah, so we said getting them to personalize their problem bringing them to a place of of identifying that they are equally playing a part in the problem. All right, now once they have identified that the next thing you're doing is you're encouraging them to personalize the problem and the goal together. So what does that mean? You are helping your counsellor to assume responsibility for what he's doing. Yes, I am drinking alcohol and also establish a new goal and I want to form the right goal. Okay, so you are getting them to play to a place where they say yes, I am contributing to this but I also want to find a way to do something other than alcohol. So for example, I realize that alcohol is not the solution to take away my anger or disappointment but working to pursue my dream while I train to be an engineer. So what is his new goal? And to pursue his dream. That's his new goal. Right. So you've bought him through the conversation to a place which he only said he's only said you didn't say, No, you forget being coming rock band. You only do that. No, he only said I've understood that alcohol is not something that can help me but I want to work towards this. So you've attached personalize the problem. That is, I am the problem. I know alcohol is my problem and you've attached the goal. Francis, are you here? Come back. And I want to be an engineer or I want to be this by pursuing my dream. So you have helped to attach both together. Okay. Okay. Got that. So in problem exploration, what are we doing? The first is an assessment. Yeah. The second is you are, you are doing the problem identification. So first of all, you identify the significant negative feelings that are there. Identify what the behavior is helping them personalize the goal and personalize the goal, personalize the problem and then the goal together. Francis, where are you? You're here. Okay. All right. Any questions? If not, I think we will probably do a few role plays so that we'll try. And as I'm doing that, I'll probably help you to understand this process. Yes, Francis, give me a question. So like on counsellor, when do another one counsellor do for counselling? Like I said, like regarding Francis brother question, like he said, like it can't be like self is not, is not much possible. So like my question is like, is this one counsellor is going to another one counsellor for counselling? But, but this person know everything. Yeah, about counselling, how that person is going to do and all. So how it will be, how that person will counsel this person. Like, yeah, like this person know everything, like what the method and all, but still just take the thought he's going through on thought. So counsellor is doing this is like what, what, what, what. So he's thinking like, okay, I know everything I'm not able to overcome that. That's what you're saying. So in case of that situation, like how the another counsellor can take the position like how to counsel that kind of situation. If there is one counsellor going to the other counsellor, they're going willingly because they're not able to manage their situation. Not because they know everything and then they're going, isn't it? Yeah, but okay, so the process is not the only thing that matters. It's the skill that matters also. How you are leading those questions, how you are helping to person. It's not just the process. And I'm not saying right now to, okay, I'm going to explore. Now I'm going to understand now we will do action. It's not like that. It's through the skills that a person is being helped. Right. So the process may be same, but the skills is what really helps a person to share a lot more. Okay. All right. Yeah. It's a part of it. Counseling is a part of psychology. Comes within that. Okay. So will one of you all think of a problem? I'm going to ask my online students because it makes it much more easier to relate here. Maybe the next week, if we have time, we could do a second role play with someone on the online platform. Yeah. Anyone who wants to think of a, not too serious a problem, something. No, so that it doesn't get, you know, to, because I want to help you all see this. See what I'm doing here. And that's why I said, you know, not too much of a anybody. I need this thinking hard for a problem. And then Francis, you don't want to talk. No, no, someone be willingly. I'm not going to call anybody someone willingly. When you allow the counselors, I will call you. Now you're like counseling. Yeah, so you should come with something you want to talk about. Maybe it is wrong. No, no, no, no, make it your personal problem. Not somebody else is not personal. At least it's your problem. Okay. So you can talk if you're okay to talk about it, talk about it. Yeah, I may ask you because I need to understand details. So you should be, you should be okay to share publicly in this forum. Mike, Mike, use the mic. Yeah, if you're okay. So if you want to assume, you can assume or something that nobody knows or whatever. Leave it to you all. Okay. Take the mic. I have to say the topic. If you're right, you probably need me. Yeah. Okay. Take the mic. Because we are in the studio. Hello, ma'am. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. You want to come here? You can see us. Okay, just open. I am going to... No, it's okay, ma'am. Let them assume. Okay. Hi, friends. Nice to see you again. How are you doing? Hello, ma'am. Yeah, I'm doing okay. So since I know you wanted to talk to me about something, what are you hoping to see as an outcome from our conversation? What would you like to see changed as a result of our conversation? I'm hoping to see answers or help how I can deal with things. So I certainly want to do something that's a little challenging. Right? Yeah, actually it is. So if you did have these answers to the problem that you have in mind, how would you be different? I would be so free. I would be so happy. Okay. I will not feel so distressed. So you'd be free, you'd be happy, you wouldn't be distressed. Yeah. Okay. All right. So what are some signs that you will tell me about that will show you that you are happy and free without this problem? If this problem wasn't there, you said you'd be happy and free, right? So what is one thing that you would notice about yourself with that problem? One more thing you would do if this problem wasn't there? One thing I'll do. You would do if this problem was not there? I'll be jumping around maybe. You'll be jumping around? I'll be a lot more socialized actually. So I understand that there is some concern that you have, right now, with talking to people that you've kept yourself away from other people? Can you repeat the question? Have you kept yourself away from other people right now? Not so much, but yeah. So could you tell me what is it that you are going through this? I don't know how to put it actually, but I'm not feeling like completion or wholeness inside. And it was actually, I feel like I'm so dry. Dry. And I'm just only seeing things what I can't be able to do. And that was making me distrust. So you feel that you lack the energy. You lack the kind of enthusiasm. Yeah, I can see that. You're only able to see the negative things on your face. And what has brought you to this point of feeling that? What has made you feel like this? What has created that feeling? So yeah, what did I do until the day this? I have not come up to the place of understanding what the problem is, but I did something prior to that. What did I do? Exploring and I've identified that his feeling, his problem feeling I've identified, right? He said that he's distressed, he's unhappy. He has no energy, no zeal. So I'm trying to figure out what is causing that. That's what I'm doing right now. So remember here, I'm not going through the general chronology. You've noticed that, right? Yeah. You're still thinking that's why I said you should have some real thing because otherwise you will have to create something. Made you feel it. What is it that's brought you to this place? Unenergized, how do you see that state? Low self-esteem maybe. I think I can't make it or not having that energy to pursue and sustain what actually like. So you say that you have certain thoughts about not being able to do something. You feel... You may not put it up. Yeah. You don't have the ability to do. These are the thoughts that you have. Do you keep thinking about these thoughts? No, I do. What did I do? What came out here now? So look back. What are the basic beliefs? What is his belief? I can't do. I'm not good enough. This is his belief, right? So I have said it, but then just the questions have to... So I'm sure that makes you feel very low, very disappointed at yourself when you come across things and you feel you can't do it, right? Has that been any event or any situation that made you feel like this? What do you remember? Which is the first situation or event you went through that made you feel like this? That you were good for nothing? You can't do this. You can make up one. You can make up one. Because anyway you feel you are the instigator. It's just that privacy, confidentiality. I can't drive car very well. So you were tempted to drive a car but you failed to do it so? How many times did you try that? I like to drive. But every time I drive a car, I make some mistakes and that actually makes me... I'm not very good at it or I can fully pan drive properly. So every time you attempted to drive a car and experience it has reinforced that you made good for nothing or you can't do anything. And because of that becomes a statement that you keep thinking about. That you can't do anything. That I can't drive properly. So has this affected you in any other area of your life? Emotionally how I see myself in other areas also where there are some challenges or some tasks needed. Like it affects on my strength or how I see my potential in other things. So this has actually been displaced to even other areas of your life. You say when there are other tasks maybe at work or at college when you have to do some tasks you're actually doubting yourself. How do you feel about the tasks that you can't do? What is the feeling that comes to you when you're not able to perform or do the tasks that's given to you outside of driving when it affects you in other areas? What do you feel? Maybe I was not for it. Like it's not something that job that I can do it for someone else. I was called to do and also maybe I need to build how to do it or I have to learn more how to do those things actually. What happened here? He's only come to a place of saying maybe he said even in the other tasks I don't find it I'm not confident to do. Maybe I should learn it. Maybe I should try. He's only done it. He's only come up to his own goals. That's only the beginning. We haven't finished. Great. So that's good. So if in these tasks that you have to... Can you give me an A? You are not expecting you would answer that. See? So that's what I meant. Through the conversation, through the questions councillors will come up to a point of beginning to understand what they need to do. Right? Okay. So, Prince... Give me one example of an area that you can struggle with. Not the driving. Not the driving case. Any other place that you can struggle with? You were telling me about the tasks, right? So, can you give me one example? Any recent example? Like... Any other or is it related to other tasks that we... See, you said... You said that the tasks, the driving, depends on your thought about your abilities, which is also affecting the way that you do other tasks. Right? If you are not confident in those tasks, so I think you can give me one example of this. Any one example of this. Managing my finances? Managing your finances. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, do you think even in managing your finances, do you think we can't move it? You are not confident in managing your finances? I feel like I can't handle it properly or use it wisely. You can't handle it all. Okay. And you said, you told me earlier, it's something that you want to learn how to do. Is that something you want to learn how to do? Yes. So, if you needed to manage your finances, whose head would you make? God. But like, from here, maybe I think maybe... My mom, maybe someone who is well-known in it, like how to manage finances. Someone like a financial manager, or someone like a financial consultant. Right? Okay. So, if you needed to take their hand, what would you need to do? How to go and consult with them, talk with them. You need to go and consult with them. Okay. What would you require if you need to go and consult with them? Like, what I require is... First, about them, I want to know, like, how they do with their finances. And what I require is their address number. So, you need to know where they are. Okay. That's my address. But if they are there and you are here, if you need to go talk to them, what effort would you need to take? I have to go and take an appointment to talk with them. Okay. So, when you take an appointment with this financial consultant, what would it tell you about yourself? Oh, I feel vulnerable that he may judge me based on how I spend my expenses. You are? Sorry? Say that again. Like, I feel vulnerable. Vulnerable. I feel vulnerable that he may judge you... Yeah. How I... How you manage your expenses. Okay. So, despite feeling that vulnerability, what's giving you the confidence to actually go to me? Not a confidence, but hope that I will find my solution. Maybe it will help me. Now, in all that you work with your manager, what does it show you about your confidence? Can you repeat the question? No. It is vulnerable for you to actually go and talk to them about it. But despite that, you want to do it right. So, what does it tell you about your confidence? Oh, I'm not that much weak to go and seek for help. But you're not that weak to go and seek for help. You are? Strong. How did you realize that? Like, before, it's hard for me to even go and speak about my problem and seek for help, but now I take a step. So, when you take a step, you build your strength in the combined effort? Yeah. Okay. So, if you needed to take the same principle, which you don't need of analyzing your driving class, or you don't need to go and seek for help, So, if you needed to take the same principle, which you don't need of analyzing your driving class, or your driving, how would you do that differently? I'll join and drive. I'll join and drive. What do you think would happen once you join and drive class? I will learn more skills. Okay. Maybe I will acknowledge the mistakes that I've done. Okay. And what I have to correct. Okay. What do you think would happen? Actually, that makes me feel first happy, relieve me from the distress. And also, it kind of a healing when I see, and it also makes me like, I can do. So, what is the new thought you would have with yourself as it is the earlier one that you can't go as taking part of it? I can do. Everything is possible to me. Okay. So, you either... I only said, right? So, it matters on how you quest it, right? And in this one, I didn't need to do too much of an assessment. So, this is maybe one problem. Tomorrow he may come with something else. We have a problem, but we don't know what is the reason for that problem. That's because the questions. You will be able to find out. And it is something that is personal. You will be able to find out what it is. That's why I said the more personal it is, the more meaning it makes. Others you really have to imagine something of sorts. Okay. So, that's what skills are. And that's why you need to practice it. This can't be just... It's not a theory where you say, okay, 10 questions you ask this. It's not that way. Because every person who's talking will be very, very different. No, no, no. In your own way. Okay. Someone else wants to try? Anyone online wants to try? You have 10 minutes. Come on, Chira, Chira. Chira. Hot seat. Okay. Anybody? Anyone online? Who? Vikram. What did you say? Big trouble. You want to... Chira, would you like to bring up one small problem so we can talk about it? No. Chira said no. Okay. Okay, there are... Everyone's voting for people over here. Okay, because in the next few classes, you all are going to be the councillors, and I'm going to be the councillor. Okay, so take the opportunity right now to pick up more ideas. We have seven minutes. Yeah, okay. I want Francis... Francis, you want me to switch on my camera? No, no. I don't know all of the questions. Okay, Francis, go on. Okay, go on. Okay. Okay. Okay, are you ready? Hi, Francis. Hi, ma'am. How are you doing? Good, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. So, Francis, you come here to discuss something with me. Yes, ma'am, but I don't know what to discuss. Like, I'm going through a lot of confusions, ma'am. You're going through a lot of confusion? Yes, ma'am. So, see, ma'am, when I'm listening to the class, this type of distractions, some sounds are coming. That is my problem, ma'am. I'm not able to concentrate on classes, ma'am. Because it concentrates. Yes, ma'am. Alright, what is the... What is the... First, I need to solve all this problem, ma'am. So, concentration is the biggest problem that you're facing? After that, if I'm not concentrating also, I don't have a problem. But after that, I'm regretting about the way I didn't concentrate on that. So, you're upset that you're not able to concentrate? Like, you shouldn't be... Yes, ma'am. Sometimes I'll get angry also about myself, the way I did like that. So, you'll be angry if you're upset that you're not able to concentrate? Yes, ma'am. What would you like to see changed in this area? I don't have any idea. You don't have any idea? What do you think? That's what nothing is coming... Sir, like, if you take a moment to think, you're not able to concentrate. What would you want to do instead of nothing? Opposite of that concentration. So, you want to concentrate? Yes, ma'am. So, if you're able to concentrate, tell me how would you feel? I won't feel any time... I'm concentrating. When you are able to... Suppose you're able to concentrate in class, you're able to listen, or be distracted. Once you finish, go outside. What would you feel that when you are able to concentrate? I'll feel a freshness of mind. If you feel a bit refreshed, what else? That's all. Missing with the people. Talking with the people. Chilling. So, you would be more free to talk with the people because you've been able to concentrate in class? No, no. Not because of that. I like that. Like, fully exploring and all. I'll combine it into the classes and all. Keeping aside and a lot of distractions. A lot of thoughts will come to mind. So, you're saying if you're able to concentrate outside, you would be more free. You would be able to interact with others. You would be able to do more things because this is on your mind. You don't feel too good about things. So, you said when you're not able to concentrate, you have distractions. And you said you've got thoughts. Would you share with me what are some of the distractions that come to you when you're sitting with class? I also don't know. Even in single times, single difference. So, what is the distraction you have into this class? Sometime I'll play drums on my knees. Sometime I'll go to some different world. You go to a different world. So, you move away from this, and you're thinking about something. Yes, yes, yes. And you play drums on your knees. Anything, drums, keyboard, guitar, everything will be coming. Okay, welcome. And what are the thoughts that come to you? It's like past events like how I am in school time. My friends in my home. And mostly I will irritate people who is sitting beside of me. So, you don't let them concentrate? No. Okay. So, you said, thank you. You've been very honest. I'm sure it's not easy to address some of this. But you've been able to do that. So, you said thoughts come. You're distracted. And you tend to distract others as well, right? Yes. Now, if you were to look at, do you understand the meaning of trigger? No. Okay. What is it that makes the disruptive thought work begins? Suppose I had my class today to be the right. What started the distraction? That music came behind of me. So, the music behind you caused the distraction? Yes, yes. Okay. What is caused the distraction? Because of that I went different world. You went of silence because of that. Yes, yes. So, one is if there is external noise, it distracts you. Yes. Today, that was the drama. What about the first hour? What is the distraction then? First of all, what about second class assignment? Sorry? Second class assignment. So, you were distracted about what you should do? No. You were distracted thinking about... Yes, yes. So, something you have not done? Not because of done. But I will write about that assignment. That is the reason. Okay. So, that was the distraction part. My question is what began that distraction? How did you go to think about that? When your teacher was teaching in the first class, what made you think about that? There is no particular reason, ma'am. Somehow, you went. Okay. I'd like you to think about it. Because that's what we call trigger. Trigger is, like for example, you said the sound has come and so you're thinking of something else, right? I went from the concentration. So, I went to sound and from there, I went there. Just like this sound described to me, that is a trigger. Okay. Now, I am asking you, in the first hour, when you thought about the second class assignment, what was the trigger then? Hopefully, I am thinking like that. On a particular point, I understood something while the lecture said that is the reason maybe I went. So, maybe something that the lecturer is saying you didn't understand. So, you went out into another world. So, you got two instructions. One is making noise. Second is when someone is talking, you are not able to understand what they are saying, then you get distracted, right? Yes. Very good. So, you identified two triggers. Any other triggers? Not so much to say, but somehow it is going. So, sometimes, boredom can become a trigger. Yeah. Is that true for you? You are bored. You are sitting in class and it is very boring. No, I won't get boring. I won't get boring. No, the class is boring. Yeah, that's what I was simply saying. No worries. Francis, we are talking about triggers. What is your trigger? So, you said one is noise. Yeah, boring is not a trigger for me. Okay, so you said we keep the trigger, right? One is the noise distraction and second is when you can't understand what the lecturer said, okay? Now, if there is something that you could do differently when you hear this noise, what would you like to do differently? What do you think can be something that you begin to do differently? What do you think that this noise is coming? No, no, no. Beating myself, that's all. Sorry? Beating to myself, that only. No, no. I can't come back to the position of focusing because I have been somewhere. I agree. So, I am saying, if there is one thing you could do, the smallest thing you could do to come back to focus on these drugs are playing, what is that one thing you would try? I didn't try to chill now. You didn't try? No, no, no. But when I will come back the interest topic is coming. So, there is an interesting topic coming you would come back to. Yes. Now, just from you and I was talking to John Clay, how did you pay attention to what I was asking you to engage in with me? Yes. So, when you are engaging with something I needed to bring your concentration back? In middle also I went. I am talking to you but I went. Then I came back. But you were able to do it in the middle, is that right? Yes, yes. So, the next time you hear the sound of this, what is one way you can engage with your teacher or you can engage to come back? Now, sound stops. Now, sound stops, no idea what I will do. Now, sounds stopped. So, I don't know what I... that drum sounds. Again, it's just... Thank you. Okay. But you are still able to have a conversation with me? Yes, yes, yes. How are you able to have this conversation inspired by sound? Because I am feeling free. Like, you are talking to me. So, that's what I said. I am engaging with you. So, you understood that when you are able to engage with something or something then the distraction is much lesser. Yes, yes. So, how can you and how can you use this understanding to bring about some energy yourself? I don't have any idea. You don't have any idea. Now, who do you think has to have a festive purpose? Anyone who needs to read this for them? Okay. Who do you think, in your mind can change this for you? Who can change this situation for them? Abhinash bro. Who? Abhinash bro. Abhinash. Okay, Abhinash. Maybe he can help me because we are in good relationship and whenever I am studying he will be sitting with me. If I am losing my concentration he will do something. No, this is outside of us. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Yes, yes, yes. So, in class, who is the best who can help you? Srirada. How does Srirada help you? Srirada will sneeze then I will come back. Srirada has to sneeze for you to come back. No, no, no. Normally, she will do something more than me, what I am doing. So, I will get a concentration. No, your dependence is on other people to bring you back to concentration. Is there anyone else who can help you? Yeah. Srirada, I went I went through the situation, but like friends are there to help me concentrate and all. So, Francis, you said people outside can help you. Yeah. Now, nearer you said you can help me. Is there anyone apart from all of these others who can help you? Only God can do. Yeah. How do you think God can help you? Yeah, He is almighty. Then I have to go to theology. No. Like, God is almighty. He can do whatever He wants to do. So, He can help me to concentrate. So, what are you going to ask for your concentration? Give me the concentration. Okay. What is it that you may need to give back then? I didn't got that question. What are you going to do to get that help from God? I need to what I need to do. I don't know. Maybe I will pray. Okay. What are some strategies? Brain is one. Okay. Brain is one. Right? What are other strategies or methods or ways? If you if there is something that you could do to help yourself pay attention in class and you said the noise is coming. You notice the noise there. So, if you needed to come back what should you notice to be here to help you come back? Normally, I will keep a candy with me. I will chew and all and all. So, one thing you are saying is have a candy. Okay. No. Normally, because of that I will be awake. My mind will be awake from other thoughts. Okay. Is there anything that you can do with your senses with your mind, with your ears, with your with your eyes, with your hands that can help you? My physical body always will be here. Like if you said me to write, I will be writing but my thought will be somewhere else. So, you said when you are writing how do you pay attention? Because like you are saying I am writing. So, is that what you think you concentrate on? Mostly not. When you are writing? No. I will be like... I tried that way but I slept. I slept in that way. I lost every focus and my handwriting became only one line. So, it's not working for me. So, one of the strategies you said is to get our students to actually go again and ask for a phone. So, what I have asked you to probably think about is if you could do something to help yourself get back into concentrating in class, that's something that you still need to explore. I have not had strategies to do that. You said you tried writing but that has no effect. But you could do clues. You said one where the class is boring and then there is external nonsense. So, if you needed to cut off your external nonsense and keep focused on what your teacher is saying, what may be one thing that you could try to cut off external nonsense? If you close my eyes I can listen. If you close your eyes? I can listen. You can concentrate? Yeah, I can concentrate. One One Candy Candy always is not possible Candy Because my friends are there they will ask me for candy which one I am bringing I need to give back. Candy Close eyes Yeah, yes, yes. Yes, yes. So, would you look at everything to try to be sporty so the next week or next week when I come you tell me how it went. Yes, I will. Surely I will let you know. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you so much for the call. God bless. We have it all the way. Thank you. Thanks. Bye bye.