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Okay TV's Oliver Whitfield Miarchic is covering the story for us Join us now from outside the BBC's headquarters new forecasting house Oli So much to catch audience up on talk us through the latest Well the BBC is this evening facing new bombshell allegations being reported by the Sun Newspaper which says there are now two new accused the Sun He says who have come forward the newspaper says that the BBC presenter broke lockdown rules to meet a third younger person in 2021 in February at that time the country was in lockdown Travel was banned from part of the country to one another Unless for work purposes that lockdown not being lifted until a month later the presenter Allegedly messaged the 23 year olds over a three-month period and has alleged to have sent 650 pounds in total he asked for pictures in return. He was a 23 year old Who why do why do we care though? It happened during lockdown The Prime Minister was out and about partying He sent a picture of a semi-naked person now in the course of the Messages which went on over that three-month period and after the meeting had concluded the presenter Allegedly said I didn't want to leave either. I really liked your company next time. I'll stay longer this third younger person is accusing the BBC star of showing arrogance and of Sending selfies whilst he was in the building behind me in the studio during work hours now in another story Which is going to be published in the Sun. Yo, how old were all of these people? Because younger person like it implies that he's doing something illegal Newspaper tomorrow 23. I heard 23 and I heard 17, which is not illegal. Oh in the UK Newspaper has spoken to a fourth younger person this time a 17 year old who was contacted to send you on Instagram back in 2018 back completely in the blue out of the blue I should say at the time the pupil was still at school There is no insinuation that anything illegal has happened But we are reporting this to show the pattern of communication from the BBC presenter to multiple people either via Do we know who the presenter is or on social media these messages? Relating to this fourth person said to contain love hearts and kisses in them Oliver, thank you very much for bringing that to get to love hearts and kisses There has to be a conversation being had but back and forth If I man So far, I'm a minute two through two and a half minutes in I don't see what the issue is I'm not even being weird like no funny. No funny games. I don't see what the issue is these are Women of aid they're they're they're they're they're above the age of consent in the UK Me personally, that's too young. You got to be like at least 20 21 but Latest we'll be keeping you there just in case other news breaks and coming back to you when we need to Oli has been out There all day for us. Right. Let's bring in Tuesday night's first edition panel for their reaction to these late Is he married or something? This revelations with me tonight labor MP for Birmingham Yardley Jess Phillips and the conservative and she look like she's about to go Tell your manager look at her latest revelations with me tonight labor MP for Can I speak to the manager And former party chairman Jake very look both of you Reacting to that. Okay, break it down y'all through the latest. It's hard not to and I think at this point yesterday I don't see what the problem is not slightly differently about this But as these revelations continue to mount it just feels like it's going in a certain direction Yeah, it's the same that that is the case and and of course these things have to be completely independently Instigated but yeah, it doesn't sound good and it feels to me as if it Listen to me the 23 year old whoever that woman is she knew she hit a lick She knew she hit a lick. Oh, yeah, come on over. Let's chill. Let me bleed you though 7650 I'ma get my money up out of this. Hey And dude went along with it. He knew what it was. What's that? Okay? It's spoiling up into being a completely untenable situation the fact that this person remains unnamed and the I just the Jeremy fine saying he feels like they should come forward the whole thing is just horrific and horrendous to me and speaks of Power or money or vulnerability or age of the people And it just feels so deeply deeply uncomfortable to me I mean that is it J. Isn't it because it I mean the police obviously still investigating that maybe I don't have the full like I don't have the full Grass with what's going on. I can't have it 217 year olds a 23 year old and what was it there was for it except? Whether there are criminal aspects to this or illegal aspects up to that point. It's grubby. It's tawdry It could just be someone's private life, but actually it's a lot more complex. That's what it sound like First of all, I agree absolutely with jazz. It's completely untenable that the BBC doesn't name this individual I've read today online that apparently one in six adult Britons already know who this is because it's so widely I have no idea on the internet that that seems to me completely untenable And you can't help have a bit of a feeling that the BBC is sort of circling the wagons completely vainly By the way in my view around one of their own to try and protect them It's not necessarily the approach they take when other people are accused of wrong doing and I think for lots of us that brings back I wouldn't be surprised if the BBC fabricated this themselves to get no to get back into To get back into like in the tabloids But damn We ain't got nothing going on at the BBC. Okay. We gotta get back in the tabloids. Let's throw somebody in there Who did something but not really did something? So we can get back circulate a lot of the allegations and the behavior that we saw from the BBC join the long period of abuse And did you miss Jimmy Saville where there was a view now? Yes, you see do got a reputation of doing Covering up and protecting pet pee pee pee pee that pee word But is that the case right now because 2317 17 and I don't know the age of the other Then the BBC hadn't dealt with that correctly. That's the first thing. It's about the individual the second thing This has the BBC dealt with these allegations themselves correctly And we're learning now that family members of the first alleged victim contacted the BBC It was in the opening of the show seven weeks before any action was taken. It's reported in tomorrow's papers that You know family members didn't even you know get a message from the BBC they they just got a one email and So the two big questions are For the individual is it tenable for him not to be named absolutely not in my view and then secondly for the BBC We're gonna have a long hard look at how our state broadcaster has behaved now Now that's true family members and members of the public who have genuine That's true the BBC has to take some accountability Get in front of these things because they have a bogus history You know I'm saying they're gonna continue to keep having that bogus history But you know why they had a history and they protect because who else is doing it over there? That's higher up and apparently if these allegations are true well-founded Allegedly about one of the the stars from that channel. Listen, we're gonna continue this conversation going It's a fast-moving story. Let's remind ourselves Unfolded head back over to Standing outside Olly just remind us a little bit of how it unfolded today because the BBC actually began sort of reporting on itself You may have tried dropshipping in the past They created the news reported it on themselves like Come on Oliver give me some information that I that I may have missed Yes, and the BBC I think started off the day in quite a happy place Clearly there is no happy place with this story But after the developments that had happened on Monday where BBC news had spoken to the lawyer of the First young person there did seem to be question marks over the stories that were being reported by the Sun The BBC then held a briefing for its annual report Okay, how old was the first person instead of being able to shout about its impressive news sales figures The thing that was dominating was this scandal which is now engulfing the BBC that briefing Totally not allowed to engulfing the BBC is crazy. My bad. We gotta be professional My bad be recorded by either BC that briefing totally not allowed to be recorded by either of the main broadcasters or us here at talk TV, we're only allowed to take down notes from what Tim Davie had said We heard of the new timeline where the complaints had come in on two separate occasions one via an in-person in BBC Attempt another was when the complainers With the BBC audience line, but we were told that no Further action could be taken because the attempts to get back in touch with the people had failed Also, told that there was no contact with the presenter for that almost seven weeks So there were big questions after that big questions that we'd put to the BBC in writing asking for clarification We got no responses to them big questions about what the differences were Who is the presenters on BBC images images So one of these is it this guy Jeremy? Oh, no, he urges the unnamed star to come forward All we can do is wait at this point right in the complaints Questions about why it took so long to get in touch with the presenter Why the only two attempts have been made to get in touch with the complainant now on that question of who spoke to the presenter Tim Davie when he was interviewed by a BBC outlet earlier on Had this to say I'm not going to get into the specific conversations with the presenter. Have you spoken to him personally? No He's been spoken to by a senior manager. Has he offered to resign again? I that is a matter that I think we have to respect the privacy of an employee No, we don't Now let's know we don't It's a public figure He's in a public eye And right now you're facing a lot of scrutiny Well, whoever this guy is So we don't got to respect this privacy. No, we don't we're nosy. We are human. We are nosy So no we don't Take a look at that timeline which was revealed by the BBC today. Okay, hold on the 19th the BBC Okay, May 19th. Let me get in the corner. Let me get smaller. It's the smallest I can get pause Sees corporate Investigations team assessed the information that was contained in the complaint provided from audience services The assessment made was that on the basis of the information provided it didn't include an allegation of criminality But nonetheless merited further Investigation the BBC sent an email to the complainant fast forward to June and having received No response to the email a phone call was made by BBC investigators to the mobile number provided But the call did not connect Following these attempts to make contact with the complainant the corporate Investigations team were due to return to the matter in the coming weeks But no additional attempts to contact the complainant were made after that What did they want BBC to do though? They emailed and they called the number that they gave No answer. No No, no response You know I'm saying so I feel like me if I email somebody something or if I'm complaining about something It's that big of a deal to me. I'm going to be paying attention to When those responses are coming back, you're telling me At date even if the case remained open throughout Fast forward a month to July the 6th the Sun newspaper Informing the BBC by the corporate press office of allegations concerning this BBC presenter the BBC called and informed its executives including the director at general and brought them in to Formulate some sort of plan to deal with the crisis on July the 7th The BBC makes contact with the police two days later on July the 9th The BBC suspends the presenter and then on July the 11th today the BBC revealing that there have been new claims From a second person now in this instance the second person has claimed that they were Contacted on a dating website And like that's that's that the second person sounds or now Yo, this is for clout at this point the second person in my opinion Whoever's been contacted on a dating site. You're on the dating site. I was on a dating site. I contacted you Yes, I'm a public figure But hey We went back and forth whatever I don't know if whoever this presenter is is married or what but the second person that notified them. It sounds real cloudy Like I want some clout the first person though It sounds like there were some real concerns from their parents or something the first person got to be like 6 17 That conversation then moving to social media websites here at talk TV We believe that included Instagram and Twitter the person who has then had then said that he might online Identify who the BBC presenter was the BBC presenter upon finding this out getting back in touch with Vitriolic messages something which left the person feeling scared and worried No comment from the BBC about the second younger person The story has moved so drastically in the space of 48 hours The BBC now faces a huge conundrum of what to do the presenter at the very center of They don't face a huge conundrum. I'm tired of hearing that the BBC has a whole legal team behind them That's not me and you who don't have nobody who don't have no Guidance have no lawyers though. They have a whole litigation lawyer team Solicitors behind them that can tell them how to navigate this. They know exactly how do they? Not they're just not Or they're not telling us what they do of this scandal also faces questions about what should happen Should that person identify themselves? What is the next course of action in this now? There are also big questions about who has paid for the legal fees for the first young person Today again, Tim Davie questioned on that very subject Do you know categorically that the presenter? Which did not pay for those legal fees because that's the suggestion being made by the fact is not information on party to So you can't even say that that's no, that's not I think that's not something for the BBC bluntly No ads freedom of speech BBC trying to remove themselves from it. Okay, but This is a this is a big presenter on y'all channel. You can't move them away You can't take yourself away unless you remove yourself fully So here we are who knows what tomorrow will bring potentially even more allegations That's certainly what the fourth person who has spoken to the Sun says is the reason he has spoken to the newspaper in a bid so that any The fourth person Who is the DJ said the fourth person was a he Don't says is the Gations that's certainly what the fourth person who was spoken to the Sun says is the reason he has spoken to the newspaper in A bid so that any other younger people who've potentially been contacted by this BBC presenter Feel that they can speak up So this baby So this BBC presenter is going for he's and cheese Nothing wrong with that But that's a new little loophole in it that I didn't notice. It's tough out as well Olly, thanks so much more great reporting there outside new Broadcasting House for us Let's return to the studio now Jay Berry still in here with me plus are also joined by former culture minister and conservative peer Lord Ed Vasee former culture minister that's useful for us this evening, of course To talk about this and the BBC's hands. He has a hair transplant. Um, this was a normal person Doing this, it wouldn't even matter Of all of this we heard from Tim. I need to know the real ages BBC have gone about this today some are saying the journalists within the organization reporting without fear or favor on their colleagues But there were allegations that they didn't lead on this story, you know, it was papers that broke it What do you make of the BBC's handling of it all? Well, it's a complicated mess and as your reporter said it's a story that's changing I feel like the only person that the only victim the only person That has a leg to stand on is the first person that brought it to their attention the first person That came up brought it to their attention And then everybody else fell in line or something The 23 year old we could just take her out the mix She was getting what she was getting out of there She was making the best out of this situation Almost by the minute It's a I think the BBC I mean I'm a defender of the BBC and I think the BBC finds itself in a difficult position because None of these allegations have yet been proved they're quite serious But nobody knows if the criminal law has been broken But it is interesting that the BBC broke the story of these kind of second set of messages the second Encounter if you like and the BBC is quite good at reporting on itself. It often holds its leadership to account Some people think it goes too far I've seen people tweeting for example when they're watching the BBC world news Tonight when you've got things like Ukraine going on and the NATO summit the world news Which is watched all around the world in hotel rooms all around the world, you know We're all used to turning on and seeing how Whoever this guy is I'm on the same page as you I don't feel like this is BBC news 23 minutes on a BBC presenter scandal seems a bit over the top. So sometimes the BBC can be a bit Self-flagellating, but is it it's a very difficult situation They find themselves in fundamentally what this will come down to is what Jake was talking about earlier, which is you know It's reported in May It's breaking big in June what what is the in July? What is the gap the seven-week gap? Why was the investigation not pursued more vigorous I mean jet you had a reaction to Tim Davies words there Yeah, I mean look what so first of all let's play tribute to the Sun newspaper Which has broken this story the question I Would ask is if they hadn't What would have happened to these reports would it have just sort of been some internal process the scene if you look at that Timeline you just had on there seems to be like a break for a few weeks while they sort of thought about this Well, how long I feel like I'm missing something I have to be missing something a crucial part of the story Why is this such a big deal is that's what I want to know for the first person that came to the top Said came and brought it to everybody's attention. Okay That's a big deal but the rest I Feel like they was growing up baby 1723 and a young person Who is of age and consent like? Would that have gone on for if the sun hadn't sort of and the parents of the first of that just victim Haven't been brave enough to contact me See that's what I mean like the parents came up. It was like hell not my daughter's 17. She's still too young And this old guy It's middle-aged grown man Who's going through a crisis whoever he is You know there and then also I just thought it's an extraordinary comment by the director general to say You know, it's not for the BBC to Sort of concern itself with whether someone has paid an alleged victim's legal fees. It's absolutely fundamental to this case because it is I agree That was weird when he said it to one of the sort of fundamental allegations that was first broken by the Sun newspaper Was that the alleged victim was vulnerable? They had issues around a chaotic lifestyle and addiction and then they're particularly vulnerable to sort of powerful individual So you get power over them if the if the reports are true, obviously nothing is yet proven But I would have thought the director general of the BBC would understand that this is that is an absolutely fundamental point. I Would argue that any middle-class middle to lower-class family In the UK is vulnerable everybody because of the housing crisis because of The food prices everything is spiking Everybody needs some money To their investigation about whether this is may not be illegal, but exploitative and the fact they just sort of dismisses it I think you know, I find that very very concerning about their attitude and look whether again the Met Police still Investigated whether it was officially criminal activity involved to obviously the ages of the people involved are being investigated, etc but the So the Met Police are still investigating whether it was criminal then everybody is age of consent Now what it comes down to before like with the first person? No, my parents is not talking this. We're not they're not going So let me let me let me go bring it up to them. Let me blow blow the whistle. Let me make light of it That's 23 year old Well got 650 whoever the 23 year olds got paid 650 Probably got free flights got all all type of stuff about a real deal That's sort of the tawdry grubby and they didn't matter kicked it like a little bit the private life thing It begs this question how much? Broadcasters presenters people in the public our politicians as you both are have been etc continue to be peers are Allowed to go about and have a private life the right to privacy But you do make a sort of forced impact when you become a broadcaster and you sign contracts I have with many different broadcasting networks that you represent the organization online in social media and when you're out in the bouts as well Let me tell you something People like this people like who have Influence people who got big money people like It's gonna sound bad when I say this but it's the truth They cannot reach down and mess with people who are not at that same what level Because it's always gonna look bad They can always have one leg up on you they can always Blackmail you they can always do something goofy. I'm gonna always never look good for you That's why you rich you be rich be in the limelight Have a social life, but like do what other rich people do. I'm not gonna say what other rich people do because you know I'm saying You gotta you rich for a reason You use your money Keep it quiet keep it a hush do like the rappers do Well, and yes, it doesn't that might be a bad example Just you know, you got to move more cautiously Pack your your private life, but that's sort of part of the deal right Ed Yeah, it is part of the deal I mean, I think everyone is entitled obviously to a private life the reason this is broken as a story and Jake is quite right. I think to say that the Sun has broken this story And if they you know, that is the good kind of factual the kind of what if if the Sun had not broken the story And the BBC had carried on with this. Well, we tried to investigate it, but the parents wouldn't Call back will we be in the position? Here and there will be lessons to be learned from the BBC just as there was for ITV with the Phillips go field issue but People are entitled to a private life and the law says you're entitled to a private life The key here and the reason there's a public interest element is it's always about People in positions of power or people who are significantly older than the people whether you call them victims That's not a surprise to me though. Oh man, but messing with young women for like young Consenting age of consent women for a long time. That's a thing You know, that's a thing and Sugar baby sugar like that's sugar that like that's a real thing. That's not that's not surprising to me The surprising of the most surprising that I have is that whoever this brick this this presenter is Had this crazy lapse of judgment Like that's a wild lapse of judgment, bro. You gotta go Just go find you a sugar baby or something Who gonna keep it low key who gonna do play her role In exactly like but this right here you you you on front page now, buddy It's over or people who are being exploited or vulnerable Who are who are engaged on the other side of this relationship? That's why there is to an element of a public interest in this with Phillips go field For example, it was a kind of workplace issue that he exploits his power I'm not gonna comment in detail on it, but you know, that was the argument Did he exploits his power with a younger member of his team and here? It's whether an older man is using his power to exploit others, but it's not just that rich old people Who are not famous do it all the time? Yeah, I got money. I'm saying that's that's not uncommon It's damn near fake news Except the first the first young lady and her parents that came for it besides that that's the only real portion of it the rest of it It's like What are we doing? Actually, the other thing that's been reported about this this evening is the alleged breach of lockdown and people working in the BBC That lockdown was three years ago. Who gives whose? Organization was fundamental Actually to passing on the messages from the government saying look, you know, you we all have to buy buy a lot We're gonna play our part, you know stay home keep keep people safe and You know and that is that is an important public interest part of this story If effective with the organization, which is largely responsible for telling us about lockdown Had people working within it to Well, it has echoes of the job point I mean, I think I'll slightly part company with Jake on this one because I think Using the lockdown angle is a slightly clutching at straws to keep the story going I mean there there's an element that the point about this is the first story, which is you know Was this kid underage in terms of exchanging photos under the age of 18 and was somebody you See now see now. This is where you confuse people under age under age Exchanging photos under the age of 18 under the ages. I thought it was 16 Now is that a law? What is that? What is that about if the age of consent is 16? then at 17 are you able to do like Send selfies to each other I'm lost. I'm so lost about this the whole age of consent in the UK thing is just still wild to me If it was 21, I mean my bad if it was really if it was 18 18 like solid for real then like then it's a clear cut There's a problem, but since it's 16. It's so many like Now do you got to be 18 to send pictures back and forth with 16? I can you know do this and then the dirt like I don't know and it's all weird to me man Like I said, hey, don't talk to me unless you 21 Was somebody using that kind of power to exploit it and I will never date you unless you're 26 and older That's just me personally At 26 and younger you still got too much life to live. You're still out there doing your thing and I ain't got time That has led to kind of further allegations from other people locked down. I mean I can't Remember the points that are they married Jake made when Boris was being I was about to say the hammered-on lock and I defended by the way I defended Boris over party gate and that's why I'm happy to defend well I remember when the scientists affair it was exposed during lockdown and it was to a certain extent I hate to say it like this, but it was a certain it was a gift to the newspapers because you could basically then Write any story about anyone's private life because you could start I Don't know what the role this individual in this guy He doesn't have a wedding ring on his finger. So I don't like y'all sitting up here acting like y'all don't look at girls that are women that are You know I'm saying like stop. I don't believe you sir You sir over here with the hair implant I kind of get you a pass because you got a wedding ring, but you you're a single dude right here You might have a girlfriend, but like come on It's all all the wider BBC had in this My view on Boris and lockdown is he absolutely made some mistakes, but it's ridiculous My whole thing man, like when you get to a certain level in life, you can't you can't like like rappers. They don't engage With groupies Right Okay, they might have something like they might have well-known groupies groupies that are always around other rappers who know like Who know the code but like fans there it is fans You can't mingle with fans rappers don't mingle with fans. They don't take fans home because they're gonna end up Taking pictures. They're gonna end up Trying to do this to them do that to them. It's a reason for that And this is the same way Now look at you Goofy till I leave a like comment I somebody explain the full fledged of the situation in me or drop a video link or something because Right as it stands right now. I'm a little lost