 That's my go sound all right Okay, I like it Unconventional already starting off with an extremely awkward note very good I mean, I don't even know because it's not quite like when you when you hit go It's like I think the stream starts like a few seconds after it hits I don't even know what they'll hear they might have just hit me breathing as a start and then they're like Yeah, I gotta go back to talking about will Smith You know you need you need like a big crank that you pulled out when you want to start the stream like I need an announcer and he bells to ring throughout my my town And so the fapping begins Faptime brothers about about will Smith. Yeah, I was gonna say you mentioned Gemini man. Has anyone here seen that? Some people don't even know it exists it is a 2019 action film it stars will Smith twice Oh The clone it's the clone one. Oh good. No, yeah So will will Smith continuing his His quest to never get an Oscar listen that film Jim and I man I will have you know that film lost 111 million. Oh, no So who knows what he's up to I Think I think he got beat out by The film it made seven and a half million on its first day to be fair Jim and I man starring will Smith. Well, I mean, I've never made seven and a half million in one day So I guess that is something I think even if you spread it all out I haven't made seven and a half million, you know in in years and maybe never yet Yeah, I think of all the times you've bought like a coffee or had a snack put them all together seven million probably Oh, well, I went to Starbucks once so I feel like I spent seven and a half Yeah, they're proper cheeky fuckers they We're here with the independent stay lingo No, no, but seriously, um Since they started doing the whole are you have to order your drinks on the app? Um, like everyone else you just uh, you know, put your credit card in and then you Oh, because of fucking COVID shit You have you know for us you have to go for the drive-through But you also have to use the app to order it and like like McDonald's kfc Where you just you know put your credit card deals in and then click pay On Starbucks, you have to put a 10 quid deposit in it. You have to put 10 quid in just to buy your five quid coffee It's a bit of a pistachio honestly Good thing. I don't like coffee So, yeah, they have to like hand you the coffee and everything, right? Oh, don't start dude. Don't don't don't ask questions They deliver it with a little robot You have to touch them to order it. You just you you speak to them at a distance I'm no picturing them like making the coffee and pushing it with a long pole toward you They have those little grabbers Here in Canada here in Canada, that's they've been using long poles with like a tray on them To like hand you your coffee. It's quite precarious. All right. Oh, no We made your coffee in a bread baker. I was about to say, do they ever drop them? They're like, oh fuck. Yeah Oh, yeah, they almost they almost spilled it in my lap the first time, but oh, shit Yeah, close so close to never having to work another day in your life so close Uh, maybe next time. Yeah, well, hopefully it's after I have kids, I guess You're like, yeah, you can go ahead and sterilize me now. It's fine Daddy, how come I don't have any brothers or sisters? Blame Starbucks, son Let me tell you about a little shop called Starbuck. It was that double shot macchiato that did it That is mocha frappuccinos So, um, hello. Welcome to EFAP 93 Getting close from close and that's scary 100 number Uh 93 Wait, oh no weekend where you're you're even quieter than you were You don't have to stand on the other side of the room you could come closer. It literally sounds like It literally sounds like your laptop is in the garbage can on the other side of the room And he's yelling at it like, why don't you wait? That's the only corner of the room it gets reception Oh Is it working? No there I see the green circle and yet no words and yet And yet I have a green circle yet. I cannot scream weekend warrior has declared independence from his microphone Yeah, it's just it's lightened up, but nothing now. It got even worse. Oh, you know, I'm just glad that he's here Everyone, hey chat say hello to weekend warrior. He's here in spirit He's a little thumbs up like hey guys Um While while he's feeling with that then I guess we'll start we go ahead and uh, yeah first time new blood guest Aruni mr Armand skeptic, how do you do sir? Yo, it's an honor to finally be on the show. I've seen it several times. Thank you Yeah, I've been watching been watching you since uh, since we were all riffing on last jedi. You were Movie was so awesome You were colloquially known as the watermelon guy in my house for about a year I was there. There's a couple of people who are like, how come you didn't keep the watermelons? I mean, why didn't you keep the watermelons? It just it seemed like a one-time thing Um, Forteer is the only person who would actually know about this. He's been on e-fab a couple times Uh, I was talking to him while I was editing and I was like, I don't know what to put as the visual Because it can't be the movie because back then I didn't know how to correctly get past copyright efficiently And I was like, what if like Well, like a metaphor like a rotting piece of fruit and by the end of the video Do you think that'll be subtle enough? I was like, it's Simultaneously overt and it makes it so I don't have to do anything else with visuals. Woohoo not even like trailer on repeat And it and it it gave across the point. I think I was uh, I was very happy with it A lot of people were and then the next video comes out. No fruit. What's that about? I don't know That's how you evolve as a critic Uh speaking of no fruit. Happy july everybody. Oh, yeah, we made it Uh, what's what's the tune we should we should do for that? Like I make firework noises and Sing the patriot theme song Oh, that was a I was doing a thing, but four days ago was canada day and none of you said a word to me about it Damn Okay, that's how Al when's britain day Oh, yeah one We had v day like two months ago, but isn't yeah, isn't britain day just the queen's birthday like We don't have one like well, whatever it was gonna be. I'm sure it would be called racist anyway Like celebrated right now Yeah, I'm not going anywhere near not that I ever do but july 4th Is not the day for me to go anywhere near the shithole that's twitter Yes, I want to enjoy the independence day. I want to read them I only ever use twitter to snark and to contact people that is it. It's like hooray It's like it's like like fires and shit going out behind your house rack, you know No, it's nice and uh nice and quiet around these parts Everyone's carrying along getting together How many of you live in a crazy state or not? No, no not at all. Um, we you rarely ever hear about all Sleepy arkansas every it's weird if you don't if you if you don't get political everyone just gets along. It's kind of it's weird Fuck it out. Oh, man. It's co-existent. Can you imagine? Yeah, um, what are we what are we gonna we would do something we're gonna mention? Uh, oh, yeah so I hear said before but um efap is is vaguely influenced uh in operation by uh drunken peasants and if I remember correctly Uh, that was when you first guested on there You you you did like a a face reveal, right? Uh, correct. That was that was my face reveal. That's right Look at that sunrise sunset all these different connections It's like four years ago now. Yeah, man. I was watching. I remember being like, oh my god. No way This is actually a thing. Yeah, yeah, and you've been sliding in my dms ever since absolutely Just uh, just just looking to get that armored perspective on lord the ring I Mean I've been keeping track of your uh, your albamedia stuff as well the uh, you know happy with star was Is it currently? Yeah, I don't know how that kind of became the thing on that channel But that's just like everybody's favorite thing is when I make fun of star wars That's fine by me because I mean that was the the ip I grew up with Oh, yeah, it's I was I was just like who did like the rise of skywalk It's gonna be tough to find you check all the reviews like nope Monday mad Oh I will have you know Did he get up a uh, hollywood reporter poll to prove that you know fans were did like it was Oh my god. Yeah, it must be good So to remind everybody who doesn't remember he when trying to prove that game of thrones season eight finale was liked He had what was it 60% of the the poll said that they liked it and he found some Yeah, and it was a poll It was a poll of I think 3 000 people and um, it was a small number and it was like basically just in california I think it was barely over a thousand. I think it was like 1100 made. It was like super small. I don't even think it was that much The hilarious part was that a large portion of them Had had chosen the option the option was like are you a fan? Are you not a fan are you like halfway in between and like the majority of them chose not a fan Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, 40 of the people surveyed. We're like, oh, I'm not a fan of game of thrones I like oh good answer these questions. I smell like a third of them. I like put down haven't watched it So it was like all of the people useless poll Well, here's an Oh, no, I was just gonna say here on an unpopular opinion though is I think that The writing was on the wall that that Something like that was supposed to happen that one of the dragons was supposed to destroy the city Like that that is kind of like part of an old Like yeah, it was There's pieces of foreshadowing that imply the king's land is going to get fucked up by a dragon I mean It is literally biblical like it's supposed to be the great dragon destroying the earth at the end Like that's the point and then like john snow is jesus, you know killing cersei the one he loves or whatever Like how is that like jesus? Well, it's like Just fucking kill the people But yeah, I mean there's parallels because he is I mean the point is the writers fucked everything up because john snow didn't even kill the the white walker Kings none of none of none of the Character arcs in the last three seasons made any sense anyways That's the thing but if you were told you have to get to nearest to kill everybody I'd be like we can maybe do it. It's gonna be tough Well, yeah, they it was it is set up in the books Like it's more obvious that that's the direction it's gonna go in but the yeah the show writers obviously did not give a crap Yeah, unfortunately last uh chapter of denaris. She's having another one of hallucinations and it and it's the whole Remember who you are. You are a tigarian and then, you know, you're like, oh ominous and then If fucking george got on with the books, you know Nine years waiting george. Come on. Please hurry up, please. I'd rather I'd rather wait than gets what we got It's just weird thinking that the last book came up when well 2011 and it's like Yeah, the um, I think I told rags this recently that the uh, I got into game of thrones Being like, oh next book is gonna be, you know, soon That book still isn't out Wow Well, I do think it's interesting that nowadays whenever people talk about game of thrones It's only about how it was ruined and how terrible it is That's the that's the topic that dominates the conversation whenever game of thrones Rather than talking about the insane scope of the story the influence all the great production values and acting Well, because obviously doing this whole lockdown bullshit, um, I think hpo like showed off like the like streaming numbers and Westworld and The wire and the sopranos were higher up in most view than the game of thrones You know, which would mean the the perfect time to watch all of game of thrones through and nobody well, I didn't nobody but you know Ever wanted to go watch the the sopranos instead. We're just well, they should but yeah That's um We're out with game of thrones. We often mention it's like remember that show. Yeah. Well, I'm not bitter or anything. No Um, we can worry. How's that? How's that microphone doing? Excellent Oh, he's he wrote in our chat here that his microphone literally got busted. So So what possession? I don't know It's a crazy time crazy time for police right now. So you can't have you can't have friends like that Or rounds you man. We'll drag you down Um Are you able to he got any other backup mic? So I feel I feel bad now Yeah, fiddle around with some settings. Just keep messing around with stuff and you yell hot enough Our other microphones might be able to pick you up around the world Yeah, we might just be able to hear y'all just open my window and yeah Little delay, but should be fine Um, so yeah, our our other guests before we care what I guess Smile around coming coming back once again. I forget which one were you last time? Was it the uh, the mundane bat one? Was like a no no, um No, uh shit Okay, I forget which one I was in. No, it wasn't Monday night. I wasn't game of thrones. I forgot which There was another thing. I forget All right. Well, he's back So I was pondering to this um And yeah, uh, you know Lord of the Rings is a is a well-traveled topic between Uh, Smiler and I over the years. It'll be interesting to hear some arguments against it because you know Maybe it isn't perfect. Maybe it isn't the the the best set of movies that ever graced this planet in in this cosmos You know, it's maybe there are maybe there is one the floor There there is one major glaring flaw and that's it only the one We'll allow them have one. Yes, that's true um And of course rags returning for another episode Hello. Hi everyone. I'm back Can't get rid of me that easy and weekend warrior say hello We did it So I was very excited to have weekend warrior Because he and I have been buds for a while and this is this was supposed to be the first time we talked Even It's going great. Just give him a sec. He's gonna it'll be funny if he like heads out to buy a microphone He told us to be patient. So like we shall be by eventually Um, it is Lord of the Rings. So we have plenty of time. This is true. Uh I don't know. Yeah, what uh, because the the video isn't exactly short So we probably should just you know, do a do a thing kick it on with it Is there anything else everyone wants to talk about before we? Chew into this wonderful topic No, let's uh, let's dive on in. Let's take a look. You have been provided a link to watch together gentlemen Yeah, love to get uh, I just want to let everyone know I don't have the microphone anymore that made my voice sound like the voice of sauron I'm sorry. Oh, no, that was all right. Everyone asks right. It's not there Um What else is oh, yeah, so rags and I actually rewatched uh the three Lord of the Rings comes ahead of time for this We finished. Yeah, we're turning the king today Um They're really good films. Like they're really fucking good just putting it out there. Holy shit Uh, yeah, we are lucky that we're in the timeline where we got the Lord of the Rings trilogy Like of course there will be timelines where they got to have all good things or whatever But we'll be sitting you're like, hey, we got Lord of the Rings. Did you and if they didn't we're probably better off Um Who's playing the cat video? The me I want to see the cat dammit Okay, I mean, I'll let you see them for a little bit actually because I gotta I gotta Remove this they've they've changed the watch together slightly again. They always do this to me Are you sure we could watch? Um, we could go to the the watch together shorts Like big buck bunny Oh big buck bunny. That's damn I don't know we need to dedicate a whole episode to that big buck bunny's like one of my favorites Well, big buck bunny looks like Uh an abominable snowman mixed with an old person Uh, he's very very odd looking Rabbit there. I feel like the abominable snowman probably is pretty old So you don't need to specify there's an old person, okay? No, like a like an old human like they're mixed. So like a cross between us Abominable snowman and a human then Now tired of being picked on by Frankie the squirrel and his band of puny forest creatures Jaycee the bunny finally decides to fight back. Oh, jeez We can't show violet shit on efeb. What what is he fighting back against hunger cravings? I don't know what is all this back against the squirrel and his his band of puny forest creatures Which seems like the the description is trying to to paint them trying to poison the well Yeah, I mean there's puny forest creatures And it also it doesn't make Jaycee the bunny seem heroic when he triumphs over the creatures because they've already been described as puny So it's like, well, I mean you I I hope you should win against a band of puny forest creatures The description should just be fat rabbit smothers enemies Is like after a after exposure to radioactive waste a bunny grows 300 times its normal size And can fly and gets laser eyes And uses it to destroy the environment. See that's what we do here. We fix stories. We've just fixed that one now Way better. This is newfound powers to destroy all the puny forest creatures that Much more satisfying narrative It's in australia too. So you could that's how the wildfires cat started with Jaycee the bunny And laser eyes Oh my god, don't tell friggy No more laser fires um So, yeah, this one has been requested since like early tisms and mold rings been in the backlog and they were just like EFAP, sorry And so so people like when you cover cover cover and I was like, you know, we have to just we have to get the right guests at the right time Really, you know, you know nail it. I mean people who like lord of the rings Okay, and all four of us i'm pretty sure do I would have been saying five, but you know I hope he's all right. Like if he's panicking running around like physically, I'm sure he's fine Unplug replug fiddle with settings and it'll it'll it'll I feel like he probably like really excitedly Plugged the microphone into the broket. He's like, no Yeah, you're probably right. Oh, so brie larson is in two of the popular video selections on watch together Well, she made a youtube channel from what I hear Yeah, so Which is always something we're very very, uh, very happy with when when big movie stars make youtube channels And they're like, hey relatable. You're like, yeah youtube is like you will definitely watch these celebrities Meanwhile us us people we're just like, okay, you turned up a lord of the rings brie get in the way Yeah, I love when seen it artificially inflated channels created by Easily digestible Existing hollywood stars coming in siphon all our traffic from us. I thought you're about to call it artificial people That's what a celebrity is basically Wait, so what's an internet celebrity then like super Yeah Nothing a real g who made Yeah, we're cool. They're not okay guys. Okay. I'm glad we yeah good Um self made people we can worry. How you doing? Is is a thing's different? So I guess we're just gonna dive right in. Okay. Let's uh, yeah, we're gonna stop this video Um, it was it was I think name the video's name was much more critical before Um, but he changed it to just movie review um It's a review of all three films and uh, it just goes through I think a lot of the the issues in them So we will be able to finally experience something like that because you know, I like to hear what was the What was the original title? I don't remember. Um, I just remember it not it was it was definitely Antagonistic toward the Lord rings rather than neutral. Um, which is fine by the way Some back pattern then it was it Possibly or maybe it was like, you know what better to be neutral Hopefully it'll get people to give it a chance which we will So I'm just gonna I'm just gonna bring it up here I don't know if I like what kind of copyright stuff I'll have to deal with but hopefully if he Managed to get his video up then we shall be all right as well Is everyone ready? Uh, yeah, let's do it. Let's dive in let's roll. Oh my god We go. Oh my god We can warrior We can worry you okay get out of the trunk. Where are you? Okay, he's closer. He's closer. He's somewhere near the house now Wow, you're so insanely quiet. Um Go to your window settings and turn the level of your microphone up from one to like at least 50 and then we'll give that a shot I already have you on 163 percent. So this is uh He actually sounds like we're all in a house and he's just outside It it sounds like you are outside whispering through a closed window Oh, it's no you're trying but I just I've got get that I see the green circle, but Hi, it's better. Yeah, that's a little bit better. Yeah better Okay, he's in he's in the hallway outside of the room now How about now? How about yes, yes better? Yeah better Hey guys, how's it going? All right experience like now I get to say it now I get to say it Finally an honor to meet you there weekend warrior Finally an honor to meet you too, mr. Skeptic. Yeah killed the climax on that, but We got there eventually we got there eventually Hey, it's not the climax that counts, but getting there is what's important And we get it with friends We actually did like a he's we slowly coaxed him inside the house and into the room Everyone that came along We had to trail a peanut butter candy along the way Hey, you got me with peanut butter, man. It's like oh, I'm fucking there Just in time too because we're about to start this wonderful video. You ready? I don't think this video would be peanut butter. No Okay, here we go. Here we go. You have to face your face What an interesting looking person Hey And for what? To unsubscribe It took me long enough to get these subscribers. I don't want to risk losing them now clean your hands before you hit that light Yoke's on you. I'm not subscribed Really hates it. Okay. I hate that. Jesus. Wow. Oh my goodness. Damn. It is harsher than I expected Okay My feelings are already hurt. My feelings are hurt and like this is this is not what you advertise. Yeah, I've been offended now That's a bit funny though I'm getting a little bit of the Jared flashbacks from the the light the light switch on the wall Is that wait? Um, oh, yeah. Well, there's a hole in his wall, but they're right There's just a hole. There's a hole. It is wall Is there oh my god, there's a hole in the wall. Yeah. Yeah, it's wow. It will be slammed against the wall. I'm guessing the door slab, dude He ain't got a doorstopper. That's um, oh Yeah, it's supposed to be representative of the angle in the wall the angle. However To his credit if you push the door handle through the wall the door can become even further open Yeah, yeah, there are benefits to this. Let's not ignore them Yeah, you got to be fair and I don't know. I don't know. He hasn't got a doorstopper. How can we trust his opinion? I just feel like if I was doing the video, I would have been like we don't have to film this like at this specific spot We can lift the camera just a little bit There might be a slightly cleaner room Anywhere Cleaner Just go outside 46 and a half million views, all right Uh Sorry, 42 and a half. Hey, man Yeah, we don't do numbers But everywhere you go Everywhere people always say everyone loves lord of the rings. They do such an arrogant statement because surprise I don't know everyone does you do you just don't aware of it. Yeah, you don't and communists don't but that's bad Basically about it. I'm trying to understand the logic of this skit. Like how did this conversation happen? Why are they in this specific room having it? Like I guess The whole point of it decision that went into this is wrong It's just literally coming from a guy who puts exceptionally Overly long intros at the beginning of every video and I'm I don't understand why I'm watching this Well, I was gonna say like he's clearly trying to be like, okay. Look, I know it's beloved But I'd like you to hear me out. That's gonna be the main point of this trying to make it funny as well And I should be like just go just go into it. It's all right. Just go just tell me my lord. This sucks. It's all right Self-aware cringe Just think people are gonna give a shit about my actual reasons When I first watched him I'll put on facebook I can't tell how old this person is. I don't know what the age of this person is He's the oldest young person I've ever seen Why is he standing alone in an empty room up against a blank wall like why is this happening? It's a dirty blank wall to me This is the face of you didn't pay me to do this Oh, this is the face of you paid me in drugs to do this and I need this to get to be over It is it is shot reverse shot. It is shot reverse shot, but at least they're not breaking the 180 line Yes Basic film making skills. Yeah, not yet. They're adhering strictly to the 170 rule My actual reasons why I don't like lord of the rings and friends flipped out about it Since when have you ever gave a damn about what I was thinking of you? I just You've come this far Do it bra You have to do it. We all believe in you. I believe in him too You can do it bro Also, it's weird because when when this guy here is looking at Drug addict man. He's looking to to the left. So his right which doesn't really match Like, you know, it's weird. I don't know. This is an interesting Maybe just hating Okay, I kind of love this video It's definitely I'm I'm actually I'm excited to watch the rest of this. He doesn't know what he's looking at. He's just like, yep Oh, I gotta go to my other dirty room now I gotta go to the toilet. This is the lord of the rings reviewing room. Okay What the entire this entire universe only has two doors Many Darcy is boy Oh, here we go. Oh, yeah, that's a set. That's a reviewing set There we go It's gonna say it's gonna say I hate it. I hate it It's not the cover from the bramble as well. Yeah, that's the revenue I'm really gonna regret this one I think somebody's already super chatted that like saying lord of the rings is bad. So you've chosen death. It's just like You've Oh, I guess this is an intro To be fair, we don't have to worry about intro music copyright because there has to be music for that 1937 best-selling author J R R Tolkien wrote his famous and successful novel The Hobbit Just a few years later between 1937 and 1949 He wrote one of the best-selling written trilogies of all time the lord of the rings which sold 150 million copies worldwide. I've read them for English class back in high school and I didn't like them either Oh, no, you didn't like them either Wait, he said he read them for English class Yeah, I guess They may have that might have been like the the I'm trying to like the years project was love the rings Yeah, this is that's criticism number one Like this is actually a problem I have with video game reviewers too Like they try to log through the game as quickly as possible They're not really like experiencing it the way it's supposed to be like Books like lord of the rings like I don't I had the old one that was all three books in one volume Like you're supposed to put that shit down sometimes, you know, like yeah It's an adventure to read those turning it into homework can give you a bit of a different experience Like you you could do this as a book reporter But like obviously his experience with it was negative because he tried to read it as fast as possible Wow, so he doesn't you can't you think he can't possibly have good reason for disliking it? Uh, he could Interesting that he said I didn't like them either Well, yeah, he's assuming He's assuming the audience or some some people watching don't like Lord of the rings or reading through it or maybe he meant like the first time he also didn't Well, I think the first As in like he's such a hipster. He didn't like it before it was cool I think he was saying it in case people say or you'd like the books Like well, you'd like the books though I love it. Literally the video is only like 30 seconds Great no hard feelings, mr. Uh, I think it's cinematic then I'm I'm looking forward to the arguments. I really am. I'm ready We'll say you need to read the books first just so you can appreciate the films more No, lord of the rings in high school No, I had sex in high school You do it success. Obviously. So I I don't actually know people who say that you need to read the books to appreciate the movies. Yeah, no Not not a lot of the rings. I would even stand. I would say that they're even like totally different experiences like Well, one thing that would always jar in a fine I think for most people is the whole that it takes like 500 odd books and not books 500 pages for Frodo to actually leave the shire. It is a slow slog of the start It takes ages. It's like Like it's like 18 months or something like that of like time passes between Gandalf showing up and going There's a ring and it's bad. And then like Frodo actually he was high And he was he was like And they sang a song for Boromir right like in the books Um, I mean some people think that the opening for the rings is too long in the movies Well, yeah, it well, not only is the opening too long But remember like the hobbit came for it too So it's like the universe was already set the fuck up and they still took forever to get the adventure going In the books or the movies in the books Yeah, I was gonna say because the movies wouldn't have the benefit of the hobbit Tolkien's writing is long-winded and it is Dripping with description. It you know, it's like I love them, but It is it takes a while to get through them if they're not swift reads Much the same as mr. Martin describing every apple and a chair in a room every fucking feast Yeah, it works I'm surprised it took this long actually But it was huge hits with groundbreaking effects like Jurassic Park that made director Peter Jackson Who made two of my favorite films of all time by the way realized that these films were now possible to make And he began work on the first fellowship of the ring in august of 1997 Richard Taylor and the wetter workshop sounds like a porn studio We never speak of it again We're helping in order to create the vision of middle earth and the director wanted it to look as plausible and believable as possible Perceiving middle earth in a historical manner filming took place in Jackson's homeland of the beautiful new zealand before being released on december the 19th 2001 in its opening weekend alone. The film grossed 47.2 million dollars before totaling 870.7 million worldwide. Yeah, that shit was uh phenomenal. I remember it like it really was a Phenomenon when it came out Yep Fucking wait, I still remember watching the opening for two towers and being like, oh my god Gandalf We get to see him fight the fucking balrog. Oh The first one was good second one's even better third one's even it was just that sort of boar boar gibby boar Everyone fucking loved that shit lord the rings and then they tried it again later and it didn't Yeah, it's funny. He mentions that the whole wetter workshops as well and the emphasis on creating the scenes and all that And I was like, yeah, this could be another video on like why the uh the hobbit shit was shit, but never mind never mind What did he say? While it's not through visualization of Tolkien's middle earth It is a work for and of our times it will be embraced I suspect by many Tolkien fans and take on aspects of a cult It is a candidate for many Oscars It is an awesome production in its daring and breadth and there are some small touches that are just right This movie version of a beloved book should please devotees as well as the uninitiated the playful spookiness So mr. Jackson's direction provides a lively light touch a gesture that doesn't normally come to mind when Tolkien's name is mentioned Did he misspelled gesture? Yeah, he said no gesture Oh I don't know if that was like a British thing If you just if you gesture gesture No, we add we add to using all the and stuff like that but no Turn that a gesture Because to take to their roles with becoming modesty certainly But Jackson also makes it easy for them his fellowship flows never lingering for the sake of admiring its own beauty every detail of which engrossed me I may have never turned a page to Tolkien, but I know enchantment when I see it This is it Mortensen has strived it as a revelation not to mention downright gorgeous and mckellon carrying the burden of thousands of years worth of The fight against evil is positively Merlin ask Jackson's movie achieves what the best fairy tales do the creation of an alternate These are reviews I was gonna say I'm not sure what where we going. What's what's happening here? He's gonna say He's gonna say they're all wrong or something Yeah, he's like this. This is the hipster thing like I had a feeling he was gonna set this up like I'm so Like I'm so contrairing so against the grain. I'm I'm going up against all of these massive names. I mean, he really is So we'll see how it is Yeah, exactly Persuasive where the young can lose themselves and perhaps in identifying with the little hobbit that could find their better selves Peter Jackson's adaptation is certainly successful in its own terms It's a motion that makes fellowship stick hard in the memory Jackson deserves to revel in his success Why does he not this is the second time he's done. He doesn't put a space after fellowship and then the next word Is that because this is like well as italics is like it might be that there is a space and just looks like there isn't Well, then he needs to put another one Yes He's made for a film that leaves you wanting more No, thank you. There is a strange possible All the more disconcerting because of the clotted and indigestible mythic backstory that we have to wait Anything happens at all. Wow Fellowship of the ring received a whopping 13 academy award nominations successfully winning best cinematography best visual effects Best makeup and best original score good Yeah All the power to you Oof didn't win enough should have won best everything all of them best best movie forever Should have gone home with all the women. Well, it's not just that they should have ended the academy awards. They said this is it We did it guys. We're not doing any more. We had a good one We found it everybody They also I said it well, they didn't invent one but for anti circus in two towers and what planets golem They created a new awards for that because I think it was like it's for like, you know CGI motion capture or whatever because it was such a Well, awesome performance, but it was never done before because of the well nobody had done a green screen With a little guy in a gray suit kind of thing before. Yeah, you do. Yeah They literally had a new award Made for the films It won the 2002 cinematic presentation the empire best film award and five BAFTAs for best film best direction The audience award whenever the hell that is I don't have any answers that special effects and best makeup was nominated for an mtv movie award for best fight between willingly That that unintentionally hilarious scene So, sorry, we'll get to that but really that one looking All right. Yeah, we'll get to it. I guess Why is it funny though? Like I can't see it being funny. Well, I can't I can't see it We rag as wolf and I Create a in our coverage of it create a a bit of a whoa a weed allegory and the idea is That gandalf imagined all of Lord of the Rings and he's just spinning in a warehouse somewhere on the floor And so we can get fun out of that, but I mean if you take it, you know Literally as to what is happening in that scene. Saruman is beating the shit out of gandalf using magic So yeah, it just spun around this oriented It is sort of silly seeing two geriatrics being like fake flung across a room or whatever like But I mean the point the point of you are it is a movie. You're supposed to suspend your disbelief We know that yeah in the movie it checks out because they're yeah ageless wizards essentially and they are they're angels Yeah, exactly. So like I mean, yeah, because this this goes into a category of criticism where someone's like a fucking dragon I can't take that seriously and I'd be like, okay. Yeah, well, you know, yeah, okay If I selected it as the second greatest fantasy film and the 50th best movie overall in history I won't bother explaining the plot 50th 50th fuck them Top five will die. Let's murder all the other Literally all the other movies so it could only be one Go on The literally the Highlander drink their blood Same for all three Some hobbits have to take a ring to Mordor to destroy in order to save the world and a bunch of random shit happens in between It's on to stop them Nine hours without the film just summed up in one sentence. You can do that with everything Yeah, you can do that with anything here like we could have summed it up faster than the destroyer ring It's a stroy a space ball. Exactly Little people go on a big quest. It's weird how I feel like we we've done this for so long like lots of people roll this out You're like it's never something you can't do with something else, you know, this is always Everything can get boiled down. I don't know. What's the point? That was just a detour The scenery looks gorgeous You can really sense the amount of effort in set design direction and even costumes and props Artistically and cinematically it's a well put together film and the budget clearly went more in a production and less into screen Right, the miniatures most okay miniatures that those were amazing miniatures though Oh, they were insane. They're amazing. Um, it's kind of weird though to say budget clearly went into them and not the script It's like budget going as if just money spent on script equals good. Yeah, that's not how that works That's actually totally totally the inverse like normally the more writers you have the bigger of a nightmare of a story You end up with and I would say Look at fucking what's the what's the what's an example of the most affluent production in recent history? It's like also I'd ask for an example of the worst scripts in mainstream recently and you're like, oh Oh You need to understand what he's saying that the miniatures cost more than the words on the pieces of paper I shall only write my script with a pen from the the days of old huge expensive thing. Okay Crush the embers of coals from the rare eucalyptus trees of southern australia must create your own paper Best writers of course Yes, it has some really bad ones that no one wants to confess to as well Like which one Oh, I think you're saying that was an example of bad acting. Oh, he says that's bad acting Wow, I mean Fuck you Of all the times to cover this after ian hobas recently dies like god damn it So try to be as as fair as possible. He's um, he's losing his shit in that moment He's uh, he's getting the prospect of the ring taken away from him And so the the golem element, right? That's that's what it's often associated with It's like it's gonna eventually turn everybody into a A golem like creature It almost develops a second personality that's uh desperately Intent on on on taking the ring for itself. So he's yeah, it's just coming out in the voice Like I don't I don't really have any problem with that delivery anyone else Um, I think it kind of nails it. You see this with golem. You even see it with frodo You see it with boromir. You see it with um, obviously with bill bow here You're not quite yourself when you're focused on the ring a lot of times Almost like that's a thing about it that makes it dangerous and evil Well, I mean this this isn't like this scene isn't even in a like Uh, it's supposed to be it's set up with the whole dinner beforehand Like and you can tell the guy he's like acting manic and if you know what somebody is like when they're manic Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so like he's overly excited. So he isn't acting rational. That is the point I think you've had that ring quite long enough You wanted for yourself You wanted for yourself. What's wrong with that? Oh, yeah, what is wrong with that literally literally the fucking point of the movie It's not going to be him just doing she This this is this is the main mechanic of the film I mean I I'll just move on distrust other people And that's what's happening here He wants to hang on to a shitty version of Ian Holman saying that it's bad He wants to hang on to it more than anything else. And so the idea that Gandalf's like give it up He's like, uh, you know what what are reasons why I won't give it up. You're just trying to take it That's that's why you want me to give it up And of course Gandalf is offended as fuck Because this is how addicts act. Yeah Your brain rationalizes that that kind of behavior is an attack against them But it's all right. He's not like said the whole movie is bad because of that one moment I just don't really agree that either of those bad acting I do just hope he's not it's gonna do it like well, this is gonna be the whole video just him just React into the scenes. I'm sure we'll get Substantive, I know hopefully hopefully yeah first. It's so random and out of nowhere Which what do you mean out of nowhere random and out of nowhere? So Gandalf is established to be a wizard He has the ring which is established to be corrupting Sauron's personality is poured into that thing Yeah, all of his cruelty malice and will to dominate our life Well, just keep in mind that you know how he started off with the whole buck thing or like, oh, you gotta read the books bullshit Well before this scene you already know that what happens to Isildur You know how Isildur literally fucking jumps himself into a river to get the ring because he's so fucking Well, again, like it is like an addiction because it poisons corrupts the mind He jumps to the river to get away from the yorks. Sorry. Yeah Yeah Yeah, he didn't destroy it. He wanted to keep it but like this this this criticism is like nitpicking like We're nitpicking but like the point again, this is the beginning of the film like Like yeah, it does seem like Gandalf is like doing this out of nowhere But that's the point this is setting up how important this is is that Gandalf is literally willing to go Full ape shit on this guy for not relinquishing the ring to him. That's how important this is I mean, I wouldn't agree that it's a nitpick of his because I would say that a nitpick still has to be accurate That's why we're actually passing We're all okay with nitpicks. Yeah, let's check about we'll be like say for example It's like there's there's there's that scene in the original vision has the car in the background If someone pointed that out, I'd be like, yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that is an editing mistake. Yes production error. Um as for as for You know, we already knew Gandalf this this part's really shocking because Gandalf's been nothing but kind and bubbly throughout this whole Sort of film And suddenly he's like he makes everything go dark and talk really deep and he's trying to he's trying to send a very strong message I am not trying to steal the ring. You fuck Yeah, this is this is less about Gandalf's character and more about the importance of this ring Yeah, really establishing to bilbo. We've already seen the forces of good and evil fight over the power All the all the well, yeah, well sarron and the power of the rig We've already seen that and Gandalf's already shown to be, you know, my dear friend bilbo So this is not out. Fuck off Maybe he was in the bathroom in the intro role, I don't know shut up sheep Yeah, I mean, I thought Gandalf specifically says i'm not trying to rob you. I'm trying to help you Yeah, like this is all done for bilbo's best interest. I just think it informs both of them in this scene quite a bit This is how this is also this is also how you treat a dog that won't drop something You like start off get drop it buddy. Drop it buddy, buddy Now cuddles i'm not trying to rob your bone I'm trying to play fetch with you. Yeah, you're already like risked deep into the dog's throat pulling it out the fucking I'm not trying to rob you Stop trying to swallow it you fucking druggy. And yeah, it's uh, I wouldn't have to rob you It's a wonderful little moment where he's like gets spooked and he's like, oh, it's like, oh, you're right No hugs while someone who's basically too far gone would probably have like ran away Oh my god, Gandalf giving my ring Now that I think about it, all of dildo's scenes are it's weird for a film you call them dildo All the dildo Bilbo Baggins is a saint on this podcast. Okay, hero Don't be calling a sweet hobbit He deserves so much better. He's like one of the best characters in the three films in Tim's of altruism He did such a great fucking job such a good guy Hanging on to that horrible poisonous thing for so many years And the insult is This is a great joke The insult is so juvenile also. It's like that's the best you can do it. Let him have the dildo. All right All right, he can he can have it Not an integral character in the film at least cuddles drop the dildo. I'm not trying to rob you And dragging out sequences for as long as possible Which I'll get on to they rush what could have been quite an interesting transition. Oh, so after dildo vanished from the party Why does it take Frodo until nightfall to check out his uncle's house? May I point out that this is the first time in human history that anybody has ever accused lord of the rings of rushing Excellent point He said it takes till nightfall for Frodo to turn up I was like wait, but it was night when he disappeared like rags. I was like, what the fuck you yeah He left at night and it took him until night to go to also I'll be honest with you, right if rags disappeared. I wouldn't let go. He must be at his house He vanishes in front of my eyes. He's like he's probably in his room I think I think it's fair to assume that people will eventually check there Which is why bilbo was only going to make a pit stop He's just gonna go there get his stuff and leave just fine. And of course people would eventually turn up Which is why Frodo does which is a useful Thing to be able to use because that gets into talk to Gandalf it all follows. I don't why is that an issue? It's weird We know it's like a minute later As far as we know Frodo went immediately to bilbo's house But it wouldn't matter if he didn't if he searched around the whole area first That would be a lot more sense behind the tree in the tents at the buffet. You know how bilbo is Yeah, yeah, and it's not like he immediately found him there. We don't know what he's fucking doing I also like to point out he also said I can't believe no one has pointed it out yet like something like that I think he said that other people have pointed it out I wonder why that is though Yeah, let's uh, we'll roll it back see what he said about action You wanted for yourself the outburst is so random and out of nowhere Which now that I think about that all of dildo's scenes are it's weird for a film that focuses so much on Dragging out sequences for as long as possible, which I'll get on to they rush what could have been quite an interesting transition Also after dildo vanished from the party Why does it take Frodo until nightfall to check out his uncle's house on everyone's wanted this out On until until nightfall. I love the There are candles burning like at the party. There are candles There was literally fireworks. There were fireworks. You cannot No, that's a daytime thing in the shire Yeah, it was literally fireworks They encourages people to make them really bright I don't get how he could do that right? He literally had to edit it and you Snip the fucking scenes together. Yeah, all right How did he not how did he fucking not see that and then he went and then he made a whole point about it But it looked like he was about to follow up and say I know a lot of people have pointed this out I just want to see if that's what he actually says could have been quite an interesting transition Also after dildo vanished from the party. Why does it take Frodo until nightfall to check out his uncle's house? Everyone's pointed this out, but No, I've literally never heard that before never heard that before Everyone pointed it what? If it was daytime like they were having drinks at daytime and bilbo disappeared then and then it cut to Frodo walking into the fucking Hobbiton then Yeah, I mean even Even then I you know you can vaguely believe that's a possibility I probably would be like it seems strange. You took that long to check his house, but um, you can't make that claim here You just can't In the images you show of the party and the close-up of Frodo there are candles burning to light the place You do that a daytime idiot It's Yeah, to make it helps the sun so the sun uses the rest power to light things because you're helping it out The reason it was dark is because they were using dark wicks where they fire little things that just shattered Put darkness everywhere. That's how it is. It's a fantasy. Okay. Yeah Really And lies your wood is so bad. Oh, this green is dark This is really dark when mary and pippin you're he just said lies. I would like the actress so you can see them I guess this is like the acting section Or something I don't know, but he just said Elijah Woods really bad. It's like oh damn, okay Oh, that's objectively wrong Elijah was one of the best parts of the series. I think I think he does pretty excellently. I don't see it I think he encapsulates the uh The average man who doesn't he's not ready for this kind of responsibility, but we'll take it head on You know, he this is actually the only role that I really like He didn't like him as the crazy creepy flash eating killer in sin city Oh, that's actually no, that's true. That is him. That is you guys ever see maniac? All right added to the list fine Fine, you will watch all of your favorite Elijah Wood movies. God damn it Nothing he says sounds genuine and everything he says sounds feminine What Oh my god, I don't even want to address this. Can we please? I was just gonna say like, okay Just let him bury himself damn barrier bury yourself What was that feminine Put it out you fools I mean, I I don't even know what to say in response to this Exactly. I'm a little bit out of loss We just We just watched the man cover himself in earth We let it happen Oh Green street, that's another film Elijah Wood film is good. It would be just why I remember. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, I do I I guess we have to start with why is it bad that he if he does sound feminine like this Why is that bad? Just is He just said all right. All right. Good fair. No, how do you make dialogue like that sound natural? That is natural. What do you what why would you pick this of all the lines put it out you fools Well, you should have said what are you doing you fucking retards? Fire out man fire bad fire bad in the old times the middle earth fuck off I need to see that version um Yeah, I don't I don't know what to do with that. I was like, yep He's terrified at the idea that they'll be spotted by the fucking the grim reapers on horses So he's like put that shit out. All right Meaning the fire. I I don't know what else. Yeah. All right When people are suddenly introduced to moments of potential peril They're not gonna sound like quote-unquote like themselves They're just gonna get words out. That's why I think he's more aggressive in that moment than usual Frodo is very very, you know Like fairy taley Yeah, well, yeah, no Frodo is the he's very soft unspoken or the unassuming hero because that's this whole fucking character. He's a hobbit He lives in a radius of like one mile and he never leaves his home Well, he's he's also he's also supposed to be like an archetypical child Like the point of him being a hobbit is that he is essentially like a child in this universe For for him to act sort of quote Affeminate and to have like his best friend and they like love each other so much like what that isn't like Yeah, sure you could say like, uh, you know in in modern terms If we'd say those are effeminate features, but the the point of that is it's supposed to show innocence Yeah, well, yeah, I mean we've already established the hobbits just want to live a peaceful life Gardening and playing chess and literally just getting drunk and smoking weed all day. Yeah, boy We no no it's literally the intro with Gandalf's talking about the Shire and this You know what these characters are you all right? Yeah, um Basically this guy is complaining about basic film Uh language, he's not even complaining about the film itself But the the type of language that it's chosen to use Yeah, yeah And and these are like these are like staple things that people like some of these are like as old as You know greek plays like these are established ways that we communicate these things Yeah, I'm just I'm looking forward to him to fucking shitting on more iconic lines like fly your fools or you know But any any of the more iconic lines from any of the films is gonna be great. I can't fucking wait What he says we fight before the black gate fight. He's like we fight. Do you mean we are going to fight? idiot Like sure. Do you mean we are currently fighting that is not the case Who talks like that I was actually gonna say yeah, this is the other thing that this film has that I guess other uh films do not is that these are fantasy creatures So they can actually use language in very Alternative ways if they wish And then get away with it Yeah, it's an odd complaint. It's a very odd She's in health Thank you captain exposition and again, he's surprised wait. Yeah He never saw an elf before you That's the point And in this movie Sam is even excited to learn that they're going to Rivendell to see elves Sam never left the Shire Yeah, Sam has never left the Shire. He's never gone further than that scarecrow. Yeah, he said this is the farthest place I've been in the Shire All the shit is shocking to him. He's like, whoa And even when they get to Rivendell Frodo said Sam wants to Leave and go back to the Shire because he thinks they're finished and Frodo's like but I thought you always wanted to see the elves Like this is something, you know, as we've established, you know already. I'm reiterating. This is something that you really wanted to see is see elves Like it makes sense that he does this like this guy didn't watch the movies. I guess it's weird It's weird because he's got like clips from him, but I guess he didn't watch him They're they're clips. Yeah, like he literally just watched them all out of sequence and then it was for uh, this this dialogue This is funny With this dialogue all these problems they go unnoticed, right, you know, no, but they're not problems I feel I feel like I'm fucking I've just lost my mind. What problems. Yeah. No, he's he's right. I haven't noticed When other films do it Have you ever noticed that wilson's only job in this? Why are you referencing the No, no, no. No. No, no, no no story is stating the painfully obvious His carvings are really creepy. I just think dr. Maro is up to something. Okay. Then why are you bringing this up? Yeah, we don't know the this is the haunting funnily enough from the liem listen movie I I have no idea. I've never seen this film. I have no context for it All I remember is this spooky ghost and Owen Wilson gets his head shopped off, so It's really more moller. Yeah, I kind of did it I like that he's brought this up just to say so so we didn't need this He'd already highlighted the issue is that it's expository dialogue like over That describes this whole video. We don't need this Also, I would like to have him go to the zoo and see how many people say oh look a fill-in-the-blank animal that they have just seen Rags is like wow exposition like oh look at captain exposition over here Like oh, and it's like a a six-year-old going. Oh, look mommy a giraffe. I'm like, oh Don't see it. It's just Wow It's not even what I really consider exposition anyway because her being an elf isn't necessarily like useful information to us She's someone who's going to help. She gets Frodo out of there Like her being an elf doesn't really do anything for us at that point Um either way, so this is what I'm getting at in terms of structure of video He established the problem was overt dialogue plays it We we we've pulled it apart to see if it really was or not Establish character whatever and he's like you know why this is bad because other people say overt dialogue is bad And other things but they don't in this and we're already like no no I got that like we that was the whole point you're making in the first place You don't need to do this who cares if nostalgia critic did or did not notice Overt dialogue in one thing or the other like doesn't I definitely got a soft spot for theo. She's an elf spinach is green. I'm just throwing that out there My problem arises with the writing I can tell you as well that for sam In the box he literally cries at the at the fort of meeting elves because they Believe it or not hobbits don't leave the shire and it's really you know It's it's a big big world out there for them and they've never experienced it and sam and frodo And mary and pithen they are like some of the first people to ever leave In fact, do you know remember bilbo him leaving the shire? He was concede. He was considered kind of fucking a loony for that. Yeah, you know, bibber bibber radical Yeah, and the elves are like demigods. They're like The lore is that they're like They're sort of bound to god's laws on like totally free will-beings So these are supposed this is supposed to be a connection to god So it is sort of like meeting a god for the first time like yeah You would be surprised if you met a real elf in real life. I think that is a fair thing to say Unless you're using that as just like an alternate word for little people Well, yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I even then I would be surprised. I guess it's not a normal occurrence Yeah, talk tokens elves are all taller while taller and stronger than I'm more beautiful than man They're not little gobbling shit things. We got them Just because it's a widely successful universally love blockbuster doesn't mean you can't look at the writing instead of just no one's saying this Just just definitely. Yeah, you're you're kind of on your own out here. You're on your own little island Just give me give me the quote of someone saying, you know what the films are so beloved and did so well You can't criticize them at all in like not ironically too, please I'm not like a joke. Have I never seen this guy's channel or anything if you told me he just straight up It just trolls every uh big film or big beloved franchise. I would I would believe you Well, we still got plenty of arguments to come. I'm sure I'm sure he's gonna tear him down and write quick Blindly accept is amazing. Ask yourself this do any of these characters genuinely have any Well character in this one No Oh my god, the the cast is unhappy I hate I hate that he was looking Oh, oh my god, you went to wow dude showing aragorn and boromir when saying that Literally aragorn was on the goddamn screen when he said that I am so When when mother asked me when we were yeah, it was yesterday when we were watching two towers He's like rocks. Who's your favorite characters? I'm like, man, they're all so good But I really have a super soft spot for the boromir fairamir brothers There's a lot going on there in their relationship with dennathore And there's there's a lot going on with these characters and what they do in the story and how they interact with others and talk to others about this Relationship. There's a lot there all of these characters from elrond all the way everywhere We constantly praise this movie of how every character thaden aowyn fairamir boromir aragorn legolas Gimley they all have aspects of character in this film as long as they are they don't waste time with characters either Everyone gets moments Everybody gets to bring in their attitude and their perspective and we get to learn so much about all the characters That's one of the great triumphs of these three movies Is that it does such amazing work with the characters? I mean shit, you know when uh at legolas and gimley say Uh, I'd rather die fighting side by side with a friend and gimley goes i that'll do Did your heart not melt? Mine fucking did Everyone's heart exploded in the cinema when that happened. You know It is it is not just like oh, oh god those two are gay, aren't they? Feminine people Creatures I if this if if these movies don't do characters well I want to know what you think did them well. I have to know where you're you're where's your bar But let's hear Is he only videos on star wars? I love I bet I've been raised this best character go on. It's going to be something like that And also like but yeah Like in the first movie alone, we got the boromir arc You don't really have to go far for great characters. That's why i'm offended He was on the screen when he was setting this up and do not even suggest the boromir It doesn't have a really strong characterization in this fucking movie or the sam and frodo relationship Now it doesn't it doesn't get kind of as developed and as in the books because in the books um I don't know if you guys like actually remember but frodo is sam's employer like, you know sam is his gardener um because the baggins family are quite affluent in uh in the shire And one of the things I told him did in the books was he wanted to establish that During times of war people from different backgrounds or different class structures can still be well, they you know With a common enemy that they can you know become the best of friends because that's their relationship blossoms when they go away to well On this epic grand journey But none of the characters well, it's interesting when when faramir does ask Sam who he is to frodo sam says i'm his gardener And it's pretty for jokes. It's true But it's like but that's how sam sees himself. They don't see themselves as adventurers and warriors and Saviors of you know mankind and everything They're they're mind is still in the shire. They're mind is still kind of innocent still in a way I'm his gardener. That's what I am. They are the most unlikely of heroes That is the whole fucking point But and and yeah, and if you and remember that at the end of the fellowship When frodo is like well after borrow me his death frodo like a batmout He ditches the fellowship and he tries to go on his own because he doesn't want anyone else to die for the cause And sam's like oh, I'm coming with you and it's like yes. Yes, sam fucking do it even if you can't swim you stupid shit And I just I I was like I was saying to I think I said to Moller when we were watching it my favorite deleted scene is the one they took out of two towers where faramir is remembering Boramir at osgiliath and denathore is there and that so much character work is in there That really fleshes them out so well And I to to show boramir and to say oh, there's no characters in this it makes me like who are these fucking people I keep your mind the faramir is like really is a side character. He is not like Yeah, he's not a main character, but there's so much going on with him and how he wants to please his dad and How he wants to do the right thing and how he works hard and he works hard and he works hard And he was always kind of living in the shadow of his brother and his father's eyes But him and his brother got along really well and him and his brother kind of didn't even like denathore that much And there's so much going on. It's almost as if like, you know, it's actually got like a real, you know Human kind of relationship, you know, like this is actually something there not just fucking Hello faramir son of denathore. Hello I must stop you because the story needs me to stop you. Oh no I also like too faramir throw out ring Yeah Yeah, what if we do a quick quick run through the five of us favorite singular character if you had to choose gun to head from the Three other rings film. Oh ergo ergo All right, well, we'll go from left to right then so I'm next and it's boramir. He's my favorite I'll don't at me rags um Can I can I put in the boramir faramir bros? Can I put them both? I guess I guess we can allow it It's like it's like if people were to put in mary and piffin as their own because they're they're a pair and so much of Their character stuff is relating to it. It is sort of a continuation of the character. Yeah, I'll allow it. I guess Uh, I'll go Oh Yeah, fair enough and we can worry I like frodo. He's so tragic, but he still Tried to do the right thing that we go that really it's curly eyes really just say the t-rex was his favorite I think my second is safely samwise though, uh samwise. Yeah, not the t-rex. Okay. No, sam is my second favorite Yeah Who would not want a friend like sam? Yeah, exactly. Yeah Exactly. He's the most loyal. He's the most loyal character in the entire film. Yeah, he's the chattest You fucking kill you kill shilo goes home The lady waits for him. They get 13 babies. He has a garden. He's like king king Shit That's true. I mean it within shire logic. He is king shit He's the apex hobbit. Yeah apex hobbit. Yeah Yeah, like for all we know. He's the mayor of the town after frodo. Yeah He looks down on all the little people really he does in all his magnificence Anyway, then the man killed Can we not go with the video and just talk about why The crazy thing is He's he started the point He hasn't actually substantiated because we're all so upset at the idea of substantiating that point If he does a just kidding after this No, this is simply the introduction to the story, but it is three hours long That's more than enough time to develop character substance But the wait is he saying yes lord of the rings the fellowship of the ring is the introduction to the story Therefore the characters should have been established over these three hours as if they aren't Yeah, I think that's what he's saying. Yeah So yeah, that still wouldn't even if he was taking in this this film this video is about the trilogy And even if he was focusing in on only the fellowship Having bohramir's face on screen still Here is I mean, there's so much work It's by the by the time this scene hits like this scene Finalizes the establishment of several of the characters that are in the circle And then and then we get to see the establishment of bohramir and uh, yeah So like this is where we meet bohramir after this point He is literally He's complaining at the establishment point that the characters are not established is just kind of It is like the hour and a half mark or so, isn't it? Yeah, this is what I still remember this being the uh The break in the dvd way to put this to him White horse down said I relate to the uruk being bored as I hate mud days, too It's like screaming I'll actually the the fellowship section is basically the it's the halfway point for the first movie I'm looking at the time bar right now The halfway point for the first movie is the fellowship and we've at that point learned Just under or over around half the characters of the fellowship and then they very very efficiently get everyone going on Who the rest of them are Because of course, they only just joined Only ones who get even a smidgen is bohramir and maybe gandalf smidgen Why did you when he said gandalf it showed Frodo like Also in this scene like we learn a lot about bohramir in this scene at least He's allowed us to have bohramir and gandalf. We're allowed them. Thank you for that. Thank you That's something it's better than nothing Although gandalf's only job is to literally introduce everybody with the full names just for the audience's point of view No None of the hobbits know any of these fucking people they've never Yeah, he has to let the hobbits know and through extension we can know this is called writing He's literally complaining that the wise man character is wisely informing the character Like this is this is a it's kind of a staple of its world building is that we learn through characters So this is basic heroes journey Well, if we were in a story basic basic heroes journey the five of us ryan is seen and i'm like wait the audience don't know Who glungal is and it's like well neither does frodo So we'll just have gandalf say like this is glungal of groon and shime and it's like hello and frodo's like oh Hello, it's like now the audience know and he said they're like wow exposition it's like if we want to If we go back to the hobbit right if the hobbit movies is really similar where when all of the dwarves show up in the shire And they're getting introduced To bill bow is like yeah, he needs to know their names. They're gonna go traveling together It makes sense that we would learn alongside bill bow what all their names are it's really well done That's the that's the gold standard of introduction of a character as you introduce it to someone else This is why a lot of people advocate for having a character who has no idea what the fuck's going on Because that one will have things explained to him Let's take a guess which one that is oh, it's frodo Oh, shit a wizard is never late Frodo Baggins Samwise ganji marry a dog brandy Okay, so it's pretty no when your mother when you were growing up and your mother used your full name You knew you were in fucking trouble. That's what that is the same thing applies to when a wizard pulls you out of a hedge I like that he's using this as an example of like over exposition when he says marry a dog brandy buck When nobody calls him that throughout the rest of the fucking film. It's mary. Yeah Harry and pip and not mary a dolly a leagrant. Yeah, he's not like this is mary and this is pippin It's like no, no, he's he's you And he stares at the camera for a moment No, he literally learned an explorer He literally learned what exposition was the day before he made this review and he just thought that exposition equals bad I was gonna say oh, that's a big word Exposition is complicated and we don't like it when it's so an example of what I think is a bad exposition Uh, because it's in tfa part three coming soon. I promise um When snook is talking to kylo in the force awakens and at the end of their conversation for the first time we see them He says The droid is aboard the millennium falcon in the hands of your father han solo And it's like why did you say that like that to kylo like he's fully aware of who his dad is Like we didn't know at that point and so we're like, oh, okay This is an awkward exposition. I guess Why would he announce hard solo to bed solo? It's weird, but it's just You know some people that that happens all the time whenever i'm told is like, oh, uh, you know Hey rags go get your sister in Whose name is sally commons or whatever and tell her that dinner is ready And the kitchen where we live at one two three four Adams street street or whatever one two three four street street, you know, it's like, what are you doing this? Yeah, testing me to see if i'm an alien the other thing to keep in mind as well is that um A fucking well at the gathering of uh, the of the races where you know, it's elves dwarves men They're all coming together. It's like it's it's it's formal But also a lot of these people don't get along There's there's I and I get it, you know, this is fucking that boring backstory But these races haven't always had the best relations with each other and until there was a common enemy, you know Like dark lord sauron some of them didn't like each other. So when they came together It's it's fucking almost required to actually like go look this person's this person this person's that person Fucking shit. They establish immediately that gimley hates elves Yeah, yeah. Well, well elves and dwarves they all yeah Always hate each other go go hand in hand with each other Who the hell does that eric matthew bore son of rob bore age 25? He's this ancient fucking wizard He just said its name This is not a film. It's not a story in fucking modern times. You've retard People do that in real life when they see someone especially a mess to like ah john smith I haven't seen you and how long has it been since they've seen each other? It's been a while, right? Like we're talking a while Again again five owner of cinematic benna going out of actually elizabeth bernie born july 25th Why does that kid have a dog and is he indian? Yes And he was a hindi Crosses a little creepy sometimes Oh, it's what the fuck What I've thought of a better use What If you want to interpret that In a creepy way go for it, I guess It's only creepy now because you said the word creepy before showing this. Well, yeah, you could do this with pretty much anything I I would say if anything kind of uh intimidate him Oh, yeah, like the this this is supposed to be like this is like a dutch angle. It's supposed to be an awkward It's it is showing that he is looming over him and that that he's intimidated by yeah That is the purpose of this show. I mean do that all the time In this movie, even mind the angle is like free for tall of all of them. Yeah. Yeah He is a very powerful He's like, you know what sam you'll be pretty helpful actually because frodo's gonna need it He's simple. Yeah Did he just want sam to bone frodo right in front of him? Yes, that was Yeah, I I hate to point this out, but I believe this man might be a homophobe Yeah Wizard hobbit love Well, I was gonna say they cut away. So I'm pretty sure that's what happened It bothers him a lot when men express emotions with each other sexually Express emotions I mean he seems upset like you know frodo has a feminine voice Yeah Yeah Okay I also can't see how would you Why would you get that context? Like it's it's weird because it's a problem. Yeah, it's such a weird problem Almost every person ever is like kind of is so wonderful bubbly and cuddly and happy and wholesome and it's like no He's creepy. He like okay He's he's he's the he's the dad of the fellowship. He's being a father figure Like like you like you said he's using people's full names to scold them Like like in real life when that happens and um, yeah, and um, I was gonna say it's tolkin's um inspiration of gandalf is melin Uh, you know the the the the wise old sage who advises the actual hero of the story kind of thing But we it's We have arc shit going on with the the dad part of it with with pippin The the three significant moments i'll probably highlight is that he thinks pippin is this stupid annoying kind of brat idiot And when he gets in more trouble in moria, he's like fucking throw yourself in next time you idiot And then in return of the king when pippin Messed with the palantir. He's like he's about to start up his rant of like you fucking Stupid piece and he sees that he might be dead and he's like, oh shit It runs to him and then in Dials down the anger. Yeah. Yeah, and then uh near the end of well, I say near the end of return of the king I think it's hour three. I'm not sure but he's he's talking to um To pippin about like how they've they've done a lot of shit for each other at that point pippin's done a lot of good work and He's trying to calm him down and relax him about the fact that hey We all die eventually and uh, we're gonna be all right. It's a really good thing for me. I I I respawn, but you But yeah, uh, his relationship with with pippin is this is there's a lot of character stuff That's very uh, very careful in Lord the Rings. You've seen this you've seen this character developer between gandalf and pippin Oh, he wants to characters He wants fuck pippin in the butt. That's all that is. He's a creepy old man. Oh, yeah Extra snug the gandalf's into interracial porn. So that yeah Oh In all seriousness the other characters have just nothing to them whatsoever Which is astonishing considering all of the claims that they were wanting to focus more on development How would you honestly describe frodo's character? Okay Would you honestly describe frodo? I'm just like I think we already did this about a half hour back So we could just see how he concludes on frodo other than just He's the hero Wow Wow He's not just a hero you you you fuck This is the first time i'm actually mad on Frodo literally makes the hardest decision in the film. Yeah Frodo needs It's the hardest um By the end of the series he had to leave middle earth. He couldn't handle that shit Oh my god. He had post traumatic jewelry disorder. Yeah Oh What's interesting is that talking about frodo's character It brings up the idea that pretty much everyone in this story Is saved by someone else or there's a huge teamwork component of everyone has to Work together in order to succeed and if they stick with each other They'll be able to try them and you know the frodo and sam pairing is the really obvious example of that where Frodo he gives them to despair sometimes. He's like man. I we can't do this It's just not I just I can't do it. I can't stand up I can't go any further and sam's there to keep him going and Sam's is frodo is a very hesitant hero at first But he he's dutiful and he loves the shire and everything so he does what he feels he has to do It's not he's not looking after glory So I do interrupt um One of the guys on the call and said that apparently the guy the the guy in the video now He argues this is his opinion. He's he pulled the opinion card on it. Oh, well Your opinion is wrong. Well. Yeah, your opinion is wrong Yeah, your opinion is wrong. Yeah, I I know how you I know this is a thing with some people You could just say it's my opinion. That doesn't make it any less wrong Like it's saying there is no characterization For the majority of these people in fellowship outside of baby barby or gad delph's like, oh, that's wrong. That's actually just wrong Well, that's what I got from it. It's like, oh, well, you missed some stuff. I guess like what do you want me to say? So his video is right because it's his opinion. You can't can you? No, I've asked a couple friends who love these movies. Fuck you. He just said that what what can you say about frodo? Except that he's the hero and you can and I just said that he goes through a tragic arc So he could just fuck off like shut up Yeah, we just did a lot of stuff talking about just just off the top of our heads just being like Actually, Frodo is all of these traits. Yeah, like in these traits are you know themes that are repeated in the movie many many times But again, just using this one film fellowship like again for it Frodo is the The protagonist like yeah, he he you know comes out of his comfort zone It's the first, you know hobbit since since his uncle to Yeah to leave so like it's a big deal. They meet an elf It's a big deal and then at the end of just this film He makes a huge sacrifice and decides that you know the whole fellowship thing isn't gonna work and then decides like Just in this film. He is the hero because of the decisions. He's not the hero. Therefore. He's the hero Yeah Well, it's the the other thing is is like I don't know if he's gonna bring it up But why is frodo the ring bearer and it's all because the hobbits don't want to seize power They they they want to leave it like I said, they want to live a peaceful life Because why not give it to aragorn or or well I definitely would not give it to Boramir because Men are corrupted by the power of the ring because they want to serve well mankind the hobbits they don't they don't want to seize power They don't want to be dictators. They don't want to you know enslave. They don't want to do any of that shit So that's why they that's why frodo can last with the ring for so long because again I don't even think they actually established in the films But the the actual journey takes like two years to actually get there And I think they say 16 months is it by the end of return of the king rags They said do they say 16 months 13 months Yeah, but yeah, the whole point is that yeah frodo has to be the ring bearer A hobbit has to be because they're the ones who won't put the ring on and go actually, you know, I'm gonna serve myself He never wants the ring. You know, you know, well even if fucking says that at the end I think of the third film, but yeah, they that that's why and that's why fro is the hero Even though he is like the most unlikely of heroes. I know I keep fucking saying it But yeah, well, I would even argue by the way by the end of the three films. He's quite complex like Yeah, you you get the the scenes where it's like we did a guy's we won and he's just he's not looking satisfied or content He's very and it's just like what's going on there? um Keep an eye on him throughout the films. It's a lot more complex than he's the hero. I don't even know how to react to that Yeah He's the one who fucking spares golems life Thanks to the advice from gandalf and that that decision is incredibly important throughout these films And it's showing a lot about his position on morality for one Um, what you're saying that Frodo is compassionate. Well, that's not that's not a character trait. Fuck off No, no, I was going to say he hero hero Fuck off right like Oh my god, like he even fails Tech like he he doesn't even drop the ring. He he goes. No, I'm not keep it. It's like There's so many things going on and you can't even I'm upset who likes to hang around which is literally saying he has no purpose and just sticks around and stay in the plot and Oh my god Does it did he even watch the film like what is what is the establishing? It's a problem that Frodo just hangs around Hobbiton. It's like What the hell is this? Let me draw that back that can't be a criticism Honestly described Frodo's character other than just He's the hero And then we did it. Yeah, you can't can you Ask a couple friends who love these movies one said he's a kind hearted hobbit who likes to hang around Which is literally saying he has no purpose Literally fairing the fucking ring. What he's the one that gets the ring at the fire. He's got no I mean, I guess he was in the beginning With all the other hobbits in the shire that's what hobbits do I guess they they hang around Their homes also this is this is telling us as well that if you don't have a specific purpose as a character That means you're a bad character You can't just like you know like jack sparrow is is someone who reacts to everything that happens around him Rather than having a specific goal in mind necessarily like there's a lot of characters like this Well, that's the point of a protagonist is that their purpose needs to be given to them I mean That's part of the hero's journey is that they're reluctant to To enter the journey and then something happens that kind of forces you remember the moment where he's he's set up He's got his like his hiking gear He knows his job and he's about to leave and Gandalf just looks at him like oh Like you're you're a good person for doing this because this is not gonna be easy Yeah, he thinks it's gonna be a whimsical journey. Yeah, and he has no idea what's in store for him. Yep I mean Frodo is a Rather interesting character. Um So this this is this is what I often say about buffy by the way Um, he's not my favorite right Frodo and you'd be like you're like he's probably not even close to my favorite And you're like wait, what? Oh my god. Is he bad? It's like no, it's just so many good characters You're missing you're missing what i'm trying to say Okay, like I just this it's hard to choose between them all because they're so well done. All right, that's the problem But I mean we can worry you just said you as far as your favorite, right? What sorry, did you say Frodo was your favorite? Yeah, that's why I'm so upset I'm so fucking mad like he didn't watch the movie Like even even the even the golem thing right like before when golem had the big blue eyes It kind of mirrors what Frodo also with Elijahwood's expressive eyes It's like don't you see what's happening mr video maker. What the fuck it's like Golem just hangs around. Yeah golem just hangs around. Yeah, you know who really hangs around sarin. He just hangs around Yeah, you know, he's just you know Greg I'm very upset. You don't know where to find him He doesn't get out much I'm laughing also, but I'm really like did this fucker watch the movie Hey look, we'll find that out Yeah, you know, I you don't know fuck this. I'm gonna put it out there Old characters just hanging around until a story begins anyway. Isn't that what everyone is doing listen That what better evidence is there than some random nameless anonymous person who has an opinion that can't be verified All right, yeah, that's true Yeah, somebody else, um Oh, sorry, I was gonna say somebody else pointed out or reminded me as well that Frodo grew up reading Bilbo stories like you remember the start of the film where he's like, uh, it's billboard one of one of his stories Well, and um, Sam references the when they see the trolls. He's like mr. Frodo. It's it's mr. Bilbo's Troll yeah, yeah Yeah That is why he's the nephew, you know, like it is supposed to be like again like a hand me down Like he's supposed to be able he's going into this journey. Yeah with like some foreign knowledge of what kind of things He's going to do in Cal. Oh, yeah You call it the like what you I wouldn't call it the rex sequel, but it's like it's like a spiritual sequel And it's it's it's it's a continuation of uh, well the baggy Just like the way Boramir has continued into into his brother like his he's he is um, uh Vindicated through his brother's actions. It's like yeah same same way I mean like character two characters can represent the same sort of like character in the same film And that's a that's a pretty common thing especially when you get a film where there's so many characters that they're You'll even get like sort of like swaps between What kind of elements that they they represent so? Yeah, um, also this guy's wrong Just put that on the edge His his videos made rags his facial expression changed to one of disappointment and confusion we're fitting. Yeah Yeah, I should I chose them my avatar sooner because It is I only know I'm just I'm being awkwardly shocked. Yes, that's all I am right now. That's actually. Yeah, that is actually the the expression And another friend admitted that he is a generic hero, but so Shut the potter. Well, I guess they're what? Oh, I'll get the fuck. No, no. No, I found people who are also wrong like me Therefore I must be correct. We're not talking about Harry Potter as well But what what the argument is that it's like someone called him generic and that's okay because harry potter is too We're like what is happening here? What what what? Who cares about fucking harry potter? Yeah, I'll don't pile any motherfucker where they're talking shit about lord rings It's okay to be wrong harry potter was oh boy, that's gonna age well that comment, isn't it? It's okay to be wrong The chosen one, but he had struggles and hardships. He was a pretty poor because Frodo doesn't Frodo That's not how that glade his ass into mountain. He was stabbed by the witch king at troll He was like hunted down continuously by the fucking witch king terrified by him. I don't know I think you're just remembering the extended blu-ray edition because in the theatrical edition He was just whistling the whole way. It's just waddling around Don't forget remember Frodo does literally fail. Sam had to fucking Ass up and fucking get him up there and then he also then got in the last moments He also then went to put the well he did Frodo failed he did not Well, he actually failed like two or three times because right before that He had sent sam home because of the whole fake bread fiasco and Sam turned around and decided to ignore that order to return home. So like that was again, don't forget galadriel Galadriel failures on on his part. That's the that's the thing Frodo isn't alone in this in this trilogy of movies It's all about everybody doing their part to defeat the ultimate evil that sort of thing like we all need to work together Well, remember the siege of the black gate. The whole point is to give Frodo time to fucking get into mortal No, but no, no, no, they just wanted another fight scene that that's that's the reason Even at the very end what is um No, Frodo says when he wraps up his part of the book He says it's been five years to the day since weather top and I can still feel the Still feel the pain of being stabbed there. Yeah Yeah, it's a wound that will never heal like literally it's poison and it'll eventually kill him and that's why he fucking leaves No, I can't believe that he says Harry Potter goes through hardships and Frodo what Frodo just didn't do shit Like yeah, the implication is he doesn't go through it. He had his finger bitten off I mean, I mean just the fact that he had a regular spider wrapped up Yeah Paralyzed by a spider He fought in moria, you know like the every event he was gonna get he was gonna get cooked and eaten in fucking Um, uh Like by goth goth morgue or ever. I figure the I forget. Oh you talking about in um in meanest morgue. No way not meanest morgue No, no, no, no, it's not meanest morgue. Um, it's just I forget the fucking place. Um, Kyrith Ungol Detroit. Yes Yeah, I'm glad I remember that. Good. Good job me The point is there's no fucking no one in their right fucking mind can think that Frodo just waltzed into fucking morgue and had the easiest time and he was dancing and singing and I know making fucking rainbows out of fucking flowers. It's bullshit. You can make a compilation I think there is already just Frodo falling over in the trilogy He falls over a very large amount of times and if that's not experiencing hardships, I don't know what is Yeah, he does wriggle around on the floor a lot whenever my favorite actually happens. My favorite one is when um Aragorn begins fighting the Urukai and Amonhen and I think our other characters are getting related to it The fight's about to begin and it just cuts to Frodo and he falls over and then it cuts to someone else It's just like the funniest one Don't don't forget the hardship of when they're in the pub and he has a little drink And then the toke comes with a big drink and it's like oh, shit. I could have had a big drink It's like that's character. Yep. Sorry bro. You're missed out So Poor wizard at times amongst his significantly superior bestie. He made mistakes in live and in Fuck about Harry Potter. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah Oh, he's saying he's saying that Harry Potter went through all this shit. Okay. Frodo did not that's what's he trying to imply So dumb it's like it was always there for his friends and family alike Frodo wasn't there for his friends and family alike. He almost killed himself trying to save the world It's like That drown in the fellowship. Remember that part guys. He'll let him drown at the end Guys, I'm upset. This is the first time I'm actually upset on evap. Like holy shit Please me too. Yeah, please stop talking about Frodo move on Talk about something else this man. He just wanted to do good even when that wasn't the easy thing to do He came across This is all applicable to Frodo Real teenage boy with raging hormones and also had some asshole moments. He felt like a very real person. Who has did Frodo? Frodo's a hobbit. So no, no, he's not a real person. He's a hobbit. No, no, I'm not buying it. Nope. Fuck off. Nope It was quite humble. I didn't need or even enjoy the fame most of the time He wanted to say yep again applies to Frodo not a you can tell at the end all of it He's just he doesn't want any of it. He he did the right thing leaves the planet. He cannot He leaves this plane of existence Uchi went home to his planet at the end because he could not handle it. Yeah Jesus no, Greg. He's not a hero Do you remember that you guys Do you not remember the iconic fucking shot when Gandalf is about to fall off because of the balrog and it shows Frodo's scream That's not him being happy. Just FYI That was him being too feminine That's like gross and balls Frodo like Have you never had a friend die in front of your face before Jesus My god, and this is the guy that's supposed to throw at the ring He out of that spotlight and was never fully comfortable being portrayed as this messiah Frodo Oh, he's just a hero. Just a hero. What are you? Just because he's all he's doing is saying it. He's not addressing like Mug fucking attitude about it all is actually really fucking off of this. He's right. Okay. I like how you said I saw the super chat that said that you remember Patrick Williams. You're watching movies wrong I think it actually applies here. Oh my god Said I didn't I didn't even watch the movie You're gonna say that that would be how to watch a movie wrong. It's just you're not watching it. You watched a trailer. I guess I feel like I need to be in the fucking ICU while I was watching this. I watched it with my nose That's how you do it. Yeah, you smell the visuals Smells like that fine pipe weed from the shire I know he struggled sometimes as well, but he had no other characterizations. He struggled sometimes What? He struggled sometimes but has no other characterization. What is that sentence? um Remember in the fellowship when he looks into the fucking seeing the the mirror Shia yeah mirror and he's like, oh fuck bad things. I fucking know my god Yeah, glad you're all in this fucking scares him into fucking doing his job Oh, too. Well doing just fly the shire will be he's like, oh, jeez Remember in maria My friends are there Not only in maria where he was stabbed by a fucking troll remember that part when he had doubts about what he should be doing And gandalf told him in an inspiring speech that men just do their best at bad times No, that's not Because it was it was Frodo who even said that bilbo should have killed golem when he had the chance Yeah, exactly. Yeah, ring golem being the hero Harry potter felt like a real person. You're wrong. Move on Harry potter is the worst character ever shut up Shut up about fucking harry potter. I don't care I do think it's his favorite character now But you see, but harry potter was real fucking care about harry potter Yeah, and and frodo doesn't count that one. I just wanted to move on to the next thing. Just say something else Yes, please, please Please stop being right here. He lets his friends get chased by a shitload of bad guys I'm angry Everyone in this call just wants to contribute All of us are so angry How it goes Mary and pippin are hiding in a in a shrub reel ever and they're like frodo get here get here And frodo and frodo shakes his head. No, he can't he has to keep moving and then Mary and pippin They're brave little fucking souls. They get up while they're hiding spot and go Hey, you you big ugly fuckers come get us come go. Oh, that wouldn't buy mary and pippin have characters It's really wrong Frodo let them literally causing a distraction. It is the again Again simple movie language is being used here to communicate what is going on and the guy is just not catching what is happening and the The word let is triggering me frodo sees them and then they're like they come up with their plan They get up and he's like, whoa, what are you doing? And then it's like go just go We're going to distract just go There's barely a choice to be made for frodo outside of stay put or leave because they've offered you a distraction He makes the right choice Like What does one say what vocabulary can be accessed to describe one's disdain Oh, oh spicy spicy agon agon agon. Sorry guys. Sorry. Sorry Someone's watching us. Someone's watching Someone's watching It is fucking wrong your opinions are Ah He's upset that we've said his opinion is wrong. Oh, no I will happily be an asshole to defend mary and pippin two fictional characters I can slate me in nobody Nobody puts frodo in a corner my friend. Nobody puts frodo in a corner. It's so dumb It's like like he watched the movie wrong It's like Listen, okay, listen Jesus christ like Like moller also what you said like the the use of the word let like Like rodo went cold-blooded. Yeah die for me It's so what the fuck are you talking about like he just lets his friends help him save the world What an asshole Like I think that that's also why elijah would works there. He's so his face is so expressive at that point like also Correct me if i'm wrong, but not about 30 seconds ago. He said in his own video You're welcome to be wrong about his one of his theoretical friends sharing their opinion Oh It reminds me of a hightop It reminds me of a hightop where he's like, hey, man, everyone's allowed their perspective that is it is dead I'll video. He's like you're objectively wrong if you say that uh dead out is boring Yeah So whilst he's saying that it's all his opinion He's literally fucking lying and misinterpreting the fucking scene and i'm sorry, but lord of rings is not complicated It is not hard It is not the prestige It is not something that you got to watch again and again to pick up all the little details and fucking understand What the scenes mean with the added context it's quite fucking obvious Mario pipping get up. They fucking full hard full hearty bravado You know, those mother they could well they i can't remember Has borne me. I've been killed already or not. No, no he hasn't this is setting up how he's gonna die almost very yeah, right Okay, but the point is that you know the danger is real anyway You know, it's not like they see the oracine thing. Oh, these guys are fucking funny. You know, they just escape Breathe Yes, i'm very upset also like Maybe Smaller let's continue the video maybe he has a good point Also, I want to I want to clarify. Mary and pippin didn't know this was their plan You can tell when they they decide to get up and do it. They're like shit. Is this what we're doing? Yep, we're doing this. We're doing this is the right thing to do actually. Yeah, like it's all very sudden Mary says he's leaving. Yeah, well when they see Frodo not join him and says yeah, Mary's like he's leaving I'd like to highlight the comment from jedi brooks. Amon hen is a masterpiece. He is objectively correct Amon hen is fucking amazing How come the hero's that? Oh, no, they offered but he knows they're pussies and you let them do it anyway without What is this? What could Frodo do and Frodo's gonna get up and say no urukai follow me What no Frodo was supposed to use the ring or use the kami hami hat to kill all the orcs and i'm the hero guys I hate it. I hate it Our hero All right, what was what was the hobbit supposed to kill all of the urukai? Like well, don't you understand the heroic move would have been don't chase them chase me and then they all get captured no, like Like he he doesn't even understand the point of that scene, you know, like what what skeptic was saying like basic cinematic language He doesn't even get that. I don't even think he's on the level of basic Well, you see when when gandalf was on the bridge in moria And he sacrificed himself so everyone could leave frodo should have turned around and jumped down into the pit with gandalf Yeah, like a hero I hate him in the frodo literally does nothing but almost died twice and i thought he went through no hardships Yeah But it's nothing no no, no, but i literally he literally does nothing But go through so i'm just gonna i know i know it's a deleted scene You know when you know you're not paying attention. It was a deleted scene I know i shouldn't be i shouldn't be highlighting deleted scenes But you know when they break into moria all the all the goblins and they all fight that deleted scene With frodo attacks and kills several of them that the one that got deleted And then he's like moving around the battlefield trying to make use of everyone protecting him because he's the ring bearer If he's killed or captured it's pretty much over like nah, he just did nothing No, no escaping she uh shilab's lair That doesn't count nope him making it to mount doom. It's just it's all so insane. It's all just so insane And it's like after frodo's like frodo just stabbed by a mogul a mogul blade or ever and only through aragon swacking, uh, bloody Uh, he well he is is hope. I don't know the word is Health crap. Well, yeah, it's not yeah, but the point is is like people don't survive those those kind of wounds and As we fucking know he literally can't bear the pain anymore. He leaves When the when the witch king screams it like hurts his shoulder, didn't it? Yeah, it didn't Yeah, it does the sequels, but the first film he has a blank sheet of paper Also, and and in the in the return of the king you see how the chain where the ring is is like Yeah, it's burn marks around his neck It's kind of like oh Um, I think he just said The three films as a whole there's there's good things to say about his character, but the first one pretty much He's a blank slate like interesting insane Sheet of paper sam is that blank sheet of paper's boyfriend which we'll get on to later and Mary and Pippin I think yeah, I think skeptics right with my uh homophobia Proto escaped because of them. I hated to say it, but I'm pretty sure every everybody's gay and that's bad That seems to be the thing like like he has got a bone to pick with um with men having relationships with one another Yeah, I get like affection is apparently gay. I didn't know that guy I'm very gay right now for all of you Yeah, what's the thing about um to have a friend sound for the relationship. It's a fucking they're like really good friends It's nice to see it Rose is a gate to die for your friend It's weird how Moments apart he said that Frodo is a bad character for letting Mary and Pippin distract the urechai And then he says Mary and Pippin are useless Even though you just said they distracted the urechai which allows Frodo to leave amon hin And oramir has to come in to try and save mary and pippin Like it's all it's everything's interconnected and he just dismisses it like it never happened And all for no reason whatsoever. It's like that scene in shrack. Yeah, how dare you you're coming with me Hey, man, if he's gonna compare it to a masterpiece like shrack, I'm actually okay with this Um, so so at least it's not harry potter again Yeah, his criticism was that mary and pippin just come along right like he's saying that there's no they just do it And um, he's right. They're the only two I'd say in the entire fellowship They're not even sure what they've agreed to but that's a part of their characters. They're very adventurous rambunctious That is that is the point is that they're their tailcoat chasers So they saw an opportunity for an adventure and like literally grabbed it as it was leaving And there are several scenes with express concern for their fellow hobbits They they and then then they develop from a couple of idiots that want to drink pints at the bar To fucking heroes that literally dedicate their lives to saving the planet one of them saves even even in the first Maybe they were always they like they had good hearts and good character They were goofballs sure but they did the right thing and they were brave And they you know, they were good in the end they did the right dude Another heart-melting moment is the black gate fight our gold rubs off and then those two do they're the next two Yeah, they're the first ones to join aerodorn Yeah If anything scotty and pippin have the most character Did you just say scotty and Scotty pippin for the three-point character development, I love that's such a meme right there. It's like my favorite character the scotty and Hey Scotty Mordor the other The other big thing to think about in mind is uh, mario pippin also get the ends involved and Dude, they have a lot of impact Fucking the witch king is essentially set up to be killed by mary Yeah, like here's the thing if you're going to complain about the three films like Sure fellowship is is the least grandiose the least happens in it It is all character development But if you ignore the character development, it looks like nothing happened Yeah, it's all you could say it's smaller scale right because maria is a battle between the characters and a monster Amon hand is a battle between foot soldiers of saruman and our heroes and then in two towers We have a country or you know faction Fighting another factions and then our meetings It is the first act of the story So it the whole story is a setup for the rest of the story But it still manages to give all of the characters development in that time. It's my favorite of the three It's my favorite as well. It's close between that and return of the king, but I think fellowship just takes it Though I want to put it out there the all three are fucking awesome. There's yeah, they're all there's no wrong answer For me, this is kind of like I was the first to love all three Yes Oh dear What seems at the start and at the end are incredible the villain of lirts is so badass And I wish we could have had more time with him, but sadly he gets daft and mauled and taken up fairly quickly I mean, he's not really He's not really a character. He's not really a character. He is literally nobody He's just an urkai. He was put in charge. No, he is he's not even an urkai He's the urkai with a handprint on his face. Yeah, that is what he is Well, yeah, he's he's saruman's henchman They make it clear that basically no orcs or urkai or goblins have like personal motivation It's they're in an army because they're essentially corruptible monsters that just differed soldiers None none are recognizable past like a five minute mark like well, you have this is the longest one The longest one that's recognizable is the one that wants to eat uh scotty pippin And like he's the only one that sort of like keeps coming back, but other than that. Yeah, they're all forgettable Well, I was gonna say the only reason I know their names really well I think it's because of the games. It's not the movies because uh, yeah the movies don't yeah, you wouldn't know I remember I knew them He's not even named in the film. Yeah, it because I was like lirts is awesome But I think we watched it with wolf wolf's like who the fuck is lirts and I was like It's the boss one And it's like I already know that because I fought him so many times in the games But uh, you got lirts goth mog shaku Um, I don't know what the one that wants to eat them was called. I don't think he shows up in many of the games But yeah, I don't know like he's like he gets Darth bald. It's like, I don't I don't know what Grishnack is the name of the work. Yeah Grishnack He probably wanted lirts to have some sort of like big impact on the whole story That's why he mentioned a Darth Maul reference probably Oh, you know what as well as the top trumps. That was probably it too that I got to know their names Odd enough for me. It was the uh Games workshop uh miniatures because I was collecting them when the film was coming out Nice. Yeah, when you love an ip you will buy that merch That's just what happens. Well I mean, I mean shit if you want to talk about like actual well I don't want to say criticisms. It's like it's like with with the orcs in it and well everyone Morality is very just setting that these are the good guys. These are the bad guys And these very little shades of gray, you know If you if you get corrupted by the ring you turn evil and you either turn into a ring ray for you turn into You know, whatever It like I don't think he's going to bring back. I don't think he's going to talk about that kind of like, you know Juvenile kind of right and wrong good and evil kind of duality a couple of elements of gray Bullshit out there fucking about like, oh, yeah, these there's no characters And it's like if you want to talk about no characters lirts lirts is right on there But oh no, you like him because he's badass. And yet he is fucking badass, but you like him because Again, he he you want to talk about? Oh, yeah, all the characters have to have their names dumped out exposition wise lirts doesn't so Oh, so now you like him Right as Aragul's about to fight him get us like this is lirts And no false lirts Our man has sent his greatest warrior to kill you. Yeah. No. No. No. Fuck off He the dude was literally born three minutes before Shut up Yeah, because he's uh, he's the one they show him getting bored and he breaks an orcs deck, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he he's the most aggressive of his kind. Yeah, that's why he's put in charge He's just a fucking nightmare. That's all it is Yeah, he is he's a six foot six fucking death machine and that's all you need to know because As it turns out, you don't need to characterise orcs. They're evil. It's it's Obvious the bad man adam said Gandalf is gone at that part. It's like that's why it would be funnier. Gandalf just shows up He's like in the middle of fighting the balrog and he's just like aragorn this enemy is dangerous Much the same as lirts is he will meet here in the future Look at him. He's so badass. He gets stabbed and pulls himself further on of the sword I need to get treated like him. So this is something I would highlight as why he's um, you know more impressive than your average Urukai, but this is not why I would highlight why he's such a great character. This feels very superficial Yeah, he literally he's impervious to pain. Oh my god. Who knew? It's like I don't know not going to be ascribing stuff quite yet But I mean it seems like we know what makes you like characters They do stuff like that. Well, he kind of he just complained that he was too much like Darth Maul And then he gave him a compliment that kind of made him sound like Darth Maul I mean, this is this is probably what he's trying to say. Darth Maul's cool, but he doesn't have much character. It's like Yeah, and lirts has less well has less character than Darth Maul. Yeah, I mean, yeah, Darth Maul actually has a Darth Maul has a character. It's very very simplistic. It's established in like two sentences He hates Jedi. He wants them to the Sith terrain. So he's gonna do what he can to kill them all. He's like, all right Good kill them all And lirts is I am evil glumpus from under the floor. I will work for sarah, but you're like, okay. Yeah, go for it Oh, bitch. What's the god of love? Read the books. Read the books. Although that's best part of the movie Not in the book. That's part of the movie. Best part of the movie I hate this guy. What is this? That is what I just said. I just said he wasn't he wasn't comparing him to Maul As as an insult it was a compliment. What? Yeah Like it's fucking bizarre. What are we watching? Like lirts What do you even mean by that? Like him being in the film is the best thing for you or his fight with aragorn or amon hen as a whole because He's the best part of the film because he has a really awesome action scene of aragorn and That's literally saying he's cool. It's cool because it's just like Darth Maul Oh, oh my god. He killed Boromir. So, you know, he eliminated a non-character. Was it? Kind of like Qui-Gon. Oh Dynomatic parallels. I mean shit When you see in the orcs fight Boromir and he's protecting mary and pippin and then lirts like a little fucking sniping Bitch shoots him with an arrow. You're like, you fucking you pussy And then he does it again and again and you're like, fuck you. Fuck you And then aragorn gets a really satisfying kill on him Yeah, he doesn't even want to try to behead Boromir. He just he just wants to sadistically shoot him with the arrow and he got him It's literally a game of how many arrows will fit in one man before he stops breathing Lirts is like, what is your health bar, dude? It is one of those moments where it's like just dude drop the sword you've done your job Yeah, as it turns out orcs hate men like literally hate men If because if someone was like, what is your favorite part of the film? I probably like, I don't know. I guess I don't know. I love all of Moria. I love all of them. Yeah. Yeah, he began from bow and the bowrogg in uh fellowship the ring for me Oh my god, yeah, all right That is the best bow bar. It's amazing. There's no doubt That deal is this In fact, saruman was barely in the first novel who's only in a memory of so this argument doesn't matter The movie is different from the book He's already established. He doesn't he thinks he thinks so little of the books. Anyway, so don't fucking try We won't be appealing to how the films are better if you'd only read the books Therefore you can't appeal to how the films are worse because the books have a thing like you can't do that. You're gonna have to try again So they're not really as accurate They cut out things from the book, but they also added to it and from what I can gather they improved the story The movie is also ass numbingly hypocritical considering the whole premise is that all kinds of races come together as one They all unite all races are equal in the fight against evil Yeah, all races are equal despite orcs being used as slaves What is he talking about all races are equal? That's not the point I don't I don't think that's sad willing to put aside their differences to work together for a greater good Also, there is Kevin Yeah, there are evil there are evil members of every race even wizards So like it's not about You know if you're if you are a race of any kind you can join us like well, no It's about what's in your heart the race part is pretty fucking irrelevant If they were equal then there would not be one person holding the fucking ring Yeah, the whole point is The reason why the fucking men can't be holding that ring is because men as an allegory for how Men as a whole we're made up of good and evil and we have to you know come through It's like we're very corruptible The hobbits though very pure So we're getting out Frode is going to carry the ring and the rest of us are going to fucking to fit Even Aragorn doesn't want to touch that thing and he and he gets a Um, if you remember when he picks up the plant here in the beginning of fraternity king He like loses his shit. He's like whoa, and the implication is that those things can corrupt pretty easily like How saruman got corrupted Um orcs as as a race they seem like they're just The creatures of like evil and pain and hatred in this world like that's what that's what they are There's not like an orc running around like hey, my name is barb corrupt elves Yeah, they're not characters in that sense that they are evil. They're too far gone. It's They're not like humans. They're not another race in the sense of Even orc was to arrive at Rivendell and say hey man. I want to fight with you guys I'll give you info on saran. I don't like this whole thing. Do you really think they would just kill him? It's like the if an orc wants to be a good guy Then they would be accepted at the fight against evil, but there's no such orc or okay. That's not a thing in this universe No, I don't know what else to say about that like as if as if the implication is We kill these orcs and like we raid their villages and they're just they're just doing their thing We all we execute. It's like this is war. They're fighting against us It's it's bizarre though that he's like he's complaining too though Like it's like you might want to rewind like half a second because it's like he's saying like oh all these races are equal And he's pointing at the fellowship and then he goes except there's slaves and then he points at literally the enemy race I don't understand. I don't understand what his point is It's not just that though It's not just they the films the films in the books don't No, this is This is not star trek. This is this is fucking lord of the rings like there. Nobody is equal in this world Yeah, the elves are literally the higher in the world Aren't they're literally fucking kings in this universe. Nobody is equal And well not to mention elves are just the class everyone would pick. They're immortal. They're really light They they're like really agile. They can walk on snow and other bullshit. They're extremely skilled Actually, I don't know if you'd want to pick them though because there is the argument about because they don't actually have free feel uh free will like we do elves don't They're uh, they they don't have complete free will. That's the lore. They're sort of they're sort of bound to god's will in a certain way Yeah, basically they're they're foritarians Yeah, sort of sort of right the other thing is the fact that because elves are immortal and they have like, you know Well, ridiculous lifespans because of that. They also see everyone else, you know hobbits men Dwarves even even dwarves are Well also age, you know for hundreds of years But they see everyone else is like children because they are the ones who have been on the well in middle earth forever and they have seen and Well, they have seen races come and go and they still remain, you know, they are Well, you know, they are if they were got well, I know they're not gods But yeah, they they would see themselves as the as the well as the rulers if it wasn't for that but Yeah, no, it's just The films don't nobody care nobody pandas that this is the quality bullshit and the fact he's going to bring up that orcs of slaves and all that It's like, well Um, but that's not something that the good guys are okay with Like that that would be bad But what are we supposed to like sarah bad doing it? The orcs seem to be happy uh in the scenes they've shown. Yeah doing what they're having a great time They're just like, ah, I just want to fucking kill men and I hate goodness and this step on butterflies That's that's what I'm getting at like if someone said oh, well, that's lame I'd be like, okay. Well, but we have this in a lot of Storylines just like I said foot soldiers is the archetype. They we're not going to explore their characters But I don't get the impression that orcs have them They don't think evil incarnate Yeah, well, yeah, well, yeah Yeah, somebody in chat just point out will remind me as well They were elves once taken by the dark powers tortured and mutilated. They are corrupted elves. They they are not just fucking They've literally pulled out of the ground. Yeah, that's what I was saying feel like that's what they're trying to imply Sort of the way that the elves are bound by god's Rule or whatever the point is there's also a devil in the universe so the devil rules them So they're they don't have personalities. They're not supposed to But if like again, I just want to clarify if we were shown a good orc Our team of the fellowship aren't just going to arbitrarily fucking execute this thing Like the oh, no, I mean, what's the eagle is the proof of that? Yes, the eagle is the proof that they would well even grima Theodon offers grima to redeem himself basically Yeah, I I think there could have been a really cool grima worm tongue redemption arc that could have happened But um, yeah, we don't get to explore every possible thing. That's just this is a weird weird point Um, the idea of the hypocritical because there's no orcs in team fellowship. It's like, okay The good race is a white. It's a black and I literally Oh So good races are white and the bad races are black all right, so Wow, we're to begin. I guess we could start off with all the good races are white Even though there are clearly black gondorians Yeah, there's at least there's at least the one and if we're gonna be we're gonna be pedantic about this saying that It's all an allegory for white good black bad. Then that's gonna throw a stick in there, isn't it? um the Is is he see we simply referring to literally skin tone then right? That's what we're doing because Even then that doesn't work because there is racial tension between all of these races Even though their skin tones are very very similar the humans the dwarves the elves the hobbits They're all you know caucasian looking, but they're still different races and they have there there can be some racial Yeah tension there even though they have the same color I would more than like I would pick that allegory before the one he's going with I'd be like so that the film is trying to say no matter who you like what you look like You can work together Um, it's to really depend on what's in your heart given the climate and what's what it's based off of that They're all white right well But I mean not even all the orcs are black though or dark. Yeah, that's the next part of the sentence Which is all the orcs are black and that's clearly not true. There are many white and pale orcs Saruman is white. Yeah, um greener is white green Like pretty much everyone. Yeah, the if you watch through this film and you pay attention to the orc skin tones A lot of beige and pale orcs that the easterlings talking about grishnak Grishnak is uh, let me double check on him. I think he's relatively dark But I was gonna say that the easterlings are made up of like Both white people and uh, I think half cast people sort of thing like it's dark. It was um, in the And he was like, oh, yeah Um, because I pulled up the picture of him on the wiki And he's surrounded by three orcs that are not dark. Uh, let me pull it up I know there are two like grayish ones one of them's white I know I know it's I know it's the hobbit, but azog. Oh, yeah, he's known as the pale orc Yeah, and uh bold Um So the one that was on uh, yeah, but so yeah, I don't know this seems um Godmog is the general and he's white Yeah, I would go as far as saying the secondary antagonist of the the trilogy behind sarron is probably golem He is not black He is a pale boy. Yes, sir And yeah, and goth mog as you just said he's quite a representation of like a leader and he's fully white and the shades of green as well They orcs ironically do come in many colors. Well, and yeah, this is a weird appeal as well because like So, you know, I gotta feel the way he's gonna go with it Well, I was just gonna say like the reason why Enemy creatures and scary creatures are portrayed in darkness or are darkest because harder to see things Make us as just creatures that like to identify What we're dealing with they're spookier Like if we can't like the spider in the cave that's dark It's like, yeah, why wasn't it all lit up? It's like well because it's scarier if we can't quite make out what it is That's just pretty simple an army of urukai charging at you And they're all like Almost demonic darkness as a shroud pouring over helms deep. It's just like, yeah, there's a reason why it's all not lit up like but also there is also Sorry, I was just gonna say that there are corrupted men that uh, like the wildlings also fight for saraman The man for sorrow. I'll give that my avatar. He's not fucking black A lot of the um, a lot of the yeah the the the mumikil guys. Who are they easterlings Easterlings might they're mostly white. Also someone mentioned in chat. I forgot about them the um, the the what are they called the dundlin men the the the yeah, yeah, yeah, the wildlings Yeah, they could call them wildlings. They're the big beaded ones who in the extended in two towers They go we will die for saruman. Yeah, he was them. They're pretty much all white, right? Yeah Yeah, the damondings. Yeah well I don't entertain this shit, but yeah, it's There's a lot of white people in lord of the rings. Yeah, we get it We get it It's not diverse in terms of like, you know, hispanic black asian all this, you know, all the others I get it in climate. It's a temperate zone. It's gonna have white people I just yeah, I don't know everyone's white. They're the good people and the bad people This is what I mean And so I take away from lord of the rings that uh, it's about yourself and your choices It has nothing to do with how you fucking look. That's that's not what it was going for Again basic cinematic language Being misunderstood and it's a good message as well because it can can be a throughout your life Is sort of don't judge a book by its cover Hobbits are heroes elves are heroes been their heroes like everyone could be a hero, you know, it's what you do I mean the hell smegel saves froto. I want to say How many times did he save him at first because he saves him from drowning to the ghost people um He saves Is there any other time because I was gonna say sam froto save sam when he falls down the What are you trying to count? But how many times golem slash smegel saved uh Frodo before he decided that he wasn't gonna have that shit anymore, you know Because it did seem that he was willing to be on their team before the faramia stuff happens Yeah, the point being is that uh, it's all about the choices the people make and that's how you go Well decide what's what's what's to be done? Yeah, and it's not just that though. It's also the whole well I hate to point out to you. This is a fantasy. It's not based on real life It does not depict real life events or reflect real life in really any Way, I mean he's already had he's already had an issue with the fucking some of the dialogue being out of place Whilst compared it to like how modern people would talk, but you know, it's that's okay Just just to insert you a little wine Is it okay though? I would just say it's allegory gone wild is when they they go hyper interpretation and they're just like This is what it's saying now. It's like, okay, so that was just an idea you had and your reason your References are not accurate. This is the problem. It fucks with your ability to use it as an allegory I just you know, it's annoying, but Do whatever you want lord the rings is not about that, but all right Yeah, equal Don't you see this madness and even if you can't even just play a quote of them saying that all races are equal like Again, it does they it's never insinuated. They never They're not a this is not a fucking story about fucking Yeah, the elves are clearly better than everyone else. It's kind of like it's really clear They're just the best Yeah As long as you don't get depression you're pretty much sorted as an elf because you know As long as you don't get any like, you know fucking chronic illnesses you'd be fine Yeah, and to clarify not saying he like that makes Elrond a better person than Frodo or something That's not it's not the point. It's just that uh, yeah, they all come with attributes very clear ones Some of them can cast fucking spells. Okay, like others can't Yeah, it's not like our world It's not it's really not the same level If you want as much, you know that how can all races be equal when the hobbits are constantly shown as the vastly superior race We've destroyed stop hobbits. Did you say hobbits are shown as the vastly superior race? No, maybe any superior did like wielding the ring. Maybe that's fine. Yeah They're superior in that they're the most humble. It's like it's like They're superior in that they're not superior. That's what makes them superior not to mention that uh, Even resilience to the ring isn't consistent across hobbits. So what happened when uh, some eagle first encountered it? No, they literally only Frodo is allowed to is allowed to carry it. That's it's Each each of the the hobbits goes through a different character arc like Scotty Pippen they he goes he goes from just be they go from being like coattail chasers to Sacrifices at the end of the first film to revolutionaries in the second and then by the end they've both like uh sworn allegiance to different kings. So it's like like Like and the point is that they've done that from a position of inferiority Physically which character wise makes them superior That's how they're superior And even even in the beginning of the first movie a lot of the hobbits are portrayed as you know Like bill ball wants to get away from him He's thinking of how annoying they are and they won his house and A lot of them are just normalish kind of people with their own familial issues Hobbits are all over the place. They're like men Kind of well, I would just say that I think that's part of Lord the Rings Is that all of them are all over the place a lot of different people a lot of different things? Yeah, they're people Yep Quit trying to say something. You're clearly not your hypocritical new zealand bastard Okay Oh, yeah, we're all equal even though the hobbits are much much better much stronger much more independent much What are you talking about? What the fuck how are the hobbits stronger? Oh my god. Oh wait, I just missed that because I want to get a drink. Did you just say he said the hobbits? Hobbits are stronger. Yeah. Well, I physically or mentally All right, let's play it again If you want to say I'm looking too much into that How can all races be equal when the hobbits are constantly shown as the vastly superior race? Quit trying to say something. You're clearly not your hypocritical new zealand bastard Oh, yeah, we're all equal even though the hobbits are much much better much stronger much more independent much braver and basically better Braver braver. They're braver. Exactly. What is happening right now? I even agree that they're braver. No, they are they are in that like they're literally the weakest characters yet They they put themselves in as much danger as I don't know I don't know So the problem with that is capacity, I guess is what you're talking about and like Boromir and Aragorn do some of the most courageous shit they could possibly do Yeah, it's all like in regards to their own ability set, you know Like again, like remember the the bell curve with these characters is that they were co-chailed to And and then they end up becoming very integral Like the remember at the end everybody fucking bows to them Like yeah, it's not an aspect of bravery. Yeah, I mean it it it was at you know In part because of their bravery though It's just the fact that they have so little to work with compared to everyone else and they did so great I'm assuming that was the point of that so that goes against everything. He just said Brodo had a whole set of tools. He had the the special uh Uh special armor underneath his cloak. He had the special sword that blows You know like he he had He and then he also had like a companion that whose job was literally to protect him specifically had the hard carry Yeah, and then he had the hard carry like and then scottie pip and literally had nothing Oh, of course, um, but like you have having boromir Like battle 30 or a kai at once Well, solely to defend the lives of two innocent little creatures sort of thing and then aragorn heading head first Alone into a huge army ahead of everyone else. Like those are moments where it's just like damn these characters are brave Exactly It's not it's not it's like it's like fucking Sam fights with a fucking frying pan halfway It's just I I keep hanging on about it. They are not the heroes or what they are But they're not the they're not the heroes that you would imagine Yeah, that's that's the fucking point because aragorn and boromir are the natural heroes because if the story was um From aragorn's perspective, it would all just be like, oh, yeah well Some mother fucker probably accused him of being a mary sue, you know, I he was born into this He's flawless. You can fight, you know, you know, he's he's do a dain. So, you know, he could well be Well, he doesn't have a He has a longer lifespan than a normal human But oh and of course there's so many examples I don't mean to not mention them, but of course, uh a win standing in front of The witch king for a dad. It's like damn Or um, yeah, I mean, I mean, yeah, because I won't be surprised if he brings a fucking feminism or something in this too But yeah, you're in fucking she rocks and she does. Yeah And in fact the whole uh, it's just weird to to be like all of these attributes hobbits destroy the rest on him. It's like Uh, what is this? Everything than us the Nazgul are awesome and again, I wish we had more time to focus on them But these movies always seem to push the interesting really starting to notice a pattern on what he likes versus what he does not like He likes. Yeah, very superficial levels of cool. Um, he wants more time with the Nazgul and don't get me wrong They're basically not characters. They're fucking cool. No, it's he only he only complains About the character moments and then says that there's no character in them And then says that these moments that are nothing are better If only they had more of these nothing both and when we say nothing moments, right? What's happening here is they're about to be found. Ah, they made it. That's like that's the tension of the scene It's literally tension. Yeah It's nothing It is nothing. It's a jump scare. It's it's a fucking broom falling out of the closet when you're looking for a ghost It's nothing And it's awesome remember in the films the the the ring race or the Nazgul They're just established as kings of men corrupted by rings of power that sorrow gave them and that's it like But yeah, they're rates they're rules But characters there's no characters, but the people that he loves the most are the literal fucking non Have the least about characters. Okay more alerts. We need more ring race. They're cool I think this guy's favorite movie of all time is batman versus superman or some shit Oh You poking a beast there warrior you get a fucking piss bunch of people off There's there's still a contingent of people who adore zaks night is worse. Oh, yeah, and also, yeah Not that you can see their skin, but ring racer they're black today and that's okay because Good point all of them are white dudes alerts is definitely Brown kind of you know, he's very brown. No, no, they they show them all in the flashback No, wait See that would be a point that he would actually make you be like, there's no ring wraith on the fellowship. So what's that about? That's not how it works I thought all races were equal You actually I actually want that now. It's just derrick the ring wraith. He's like, yeah, I'm not cool with saron He's a dick. I'll fight with you guys. That'd be so fucking cool Characters to one side of folks by the way, how come they can't enter water at one point but later on they clearly do Uh, did you notice the difference in depth? How come how come they can't enter deep water, but they can't go in shallow water? This is not real and walk into a puddle, but I can't chucker into the ocean What? That oh my come on, dude Do they suffer the same inconsistent phobia of mr. Voorhees and freddy versus jason? In three hours other than so that's it. He just wanted to point out they walk in shallow water They do not walk in deep water. They don't jump into a river But they'll they'll have they'll be on a horse and the horse is in like ankle deep water at the most They'll do that, but they won't jump into a river. They're totally the same thing Goddamn it Then he's the hero. He had the funny ones. He's the god amongst man who can do anything He's the calm collector. I thought you said the hobbits were the best No, yeah, the god among men who can do anything is okay Little confused Bad ass. He's the annoying dwarf. Okay. Annoying dwarf Not annoying What I've never heard gimli be described as annoying. He's so fucking endearing. He's like one of them Oh, and then and he has so many quips. It's brilliant Yeah, remember that scene when he stopped ocean. He's when she when he saw galadriel. That was like It's kind of cute. We're very dangerous over short distances He's over there. Just the whole uh, he's twitching because he's gone axe in his nervous system Oh, there's so many fucking good moments. That's still only counts as one Yeah, he's annoying. That's my he's annoying. Yeah, that's it. I I think he might have watched the hobbit and thought all dwarves are annoying gimli that is annoying Again, I'm pretty convinced he's only seen the trailer at this point It's genuine development whatsoever, you know, I'm gonna keep comparing to harry potter for win Stop Why are we doing this the he only's doing is I came more about harry potter than I do about lord the rigs And I'm like, I don't give a fuck Also This is like kind of metal or ever, but when did this video when you do this video? I don't know. I haven't checked the upload why Oh 2017 Only because I wonder if you say the same about harry potter and shine the light up as arse now with with current events with the Canceling, yeah I wonder if this is now the if the high part is the bastion of fucking great Whatever that he's holding it. Well, he's trying to hold it too now. I wonder I just just wonder curious. Just curious Oh, apparently he liked the last jedi It's a laugh because it all makes sense all the pieces they plug together like yeah, yeah The universe has dropped on me and I just fucking felt it I can't gandalf died and I was just like What that's not enough that's not a crime in gandalf died, but I am sorry I'm sorry, but that is not a criticism something happened. I didn't like it So it's worse dude. I was fucking sad in the cinema. I still remember being like no, he's like my favorite No Why you No Skeptic who talks like that we even all of them fucking lose this shit outside of moria too Yeah, why did why did frodo yell gandalf's name when he fell like enough with the exposition? We know his name already like calm the fuck down terrible writing alerts. I think so name He was just full name. It was Dude, I'm half expecting to be like who it is that just died They had him say that because the audience forgot his name That's actually a thing as well fucking harry pot are all like pretty much always Introduce his characters by their full names like, you know, and there's many of them and many of them have Silly names, but okay Yeah, dude the amount of times harry potter is set across those films. I'm thinking past 100 If he's gonna compare dobby In the films dobby got done dirty He basically was in the second film and then he got cut out for the rest of them until they realized Oh, shit. He has a he has a bit of significance in the last film better bring him back. Just I'm sorry I'm sorry. Are you telling me about harry potter because I strictly remember saying I don't care I don't have a shit about harry potter I'm actually harry potter begone We went from elves supremacists to elves or shit I I I remember harry potter enough to fucking Beat him over the head with it how and how he's just pulling it out of his ass dobby is fucking shit in the films He gets done dirty. No, no, don't you get it? He's saying, yeah, maybe that's the case, but it's better than Lord the Rings Which is not infuriating Yeah, look like I said, I don't think I don't think he'd be holding I don't think his his argument his argument is just I like dobby more than candle dobby dobby scotty I just Dobby and scotty I just got a vibe that he doesn't think he's so highly of harry potter anymore. I just got a vibe Yeah They're just like Okay, okay He's just wrong. He's just literally he literally has a bellrog hanging from his ankle. What are they going to do? Okay, so now that the whip just let's get that. Let's just get the references 100 correct For this for this man and for us and for the audience The situation is several goblins looking at possibly like 20 of firing arrows at the team Gandalf is what you could call. I don't know a 10 second run away from the heroes and he's slipping off the edge And he's sacrificed himself. So like for them to sacrifice themselves to save him would be like Completely I would argue it's multifaceted He wants to knock out the ballerogs It's one of the evilest fucking creatures that exist in this world that causes nothing but pain Simultaneously, you guys got to go just you okay The only way they're gonna go is if I just fucking drop off right now The amount of time it'll take to get me and the amount of hurt that can happen. It's not happening. Just go What does fly you fools mean Get run. Get the fuck out of here. Just go It's not it's not about oh, please help me. Please. I don't want to die No, you fucking tell them the go you toss us like like you said earlier Like what is this was Frodo supposed to jump down the He's a real hero with real character You like you like has a rope attached to it But they throw a lasso over Gandalf as he's falling grabs and pulls of all the way back up Frodo the hero again Tie a rope to Frodo and The end goal is to get Frodo away from the bell rock away from it Yeah, I would even well even tells aragon that um swords are of no use here because it's not gonna die by a simple blade He's just wrong. Yeah, very wrong. Categorically wrong Anyway, fuck him felt nothing all the fake out deaths. I felt nothing and the I oh my god, okay I don't care if you felt nothing get on with your arguments Tell your therapist I think the therapist would actually be concerned like you didn't feel anything in Lord of the Rings You felt nothing my mother died. I felt nothing I think you might have a mental problem Especially when it's obvious they wouldn't get off the heroes in the first hour anyway Oh, but we don't know which one of the four like Jesus christ Two of them are arguably expendable. We're not actually expendable at that point Absolutely, and we're not sure that our guys know what's happening It's portrayed as the the riders burst in they get into the bar straight away and then they go to some beds If you're invested, you're like, oh fuck. What's about to happen? Okay, fucking hell It's like How do you know that aragorn isn't gonna have some death? How do you know that aowyn and all these other characters amour and How do you know it doesn't work anyway? Do you have no clue? I mean, I mean none of them are characters. So surely any of them could die any minute and it wouldn't matter This argument doesn't work anyway because it It flies in the face of rewatching a film. You can't do it anymore Like you just can't because you know everything that happens. So you can't possibly be invested You can't rewatch or replay or redo a thing. You can't re-consume a thing Yeah All it comes down to is yeah aragorn presumably it was aragorn's idea They they employ a little bit of deception and it's the fucking throw-off the ringraiser for a little bit of time So that they can flee and that's it. It's not a fake out there It's not a oh my god. Did they die it's been Yeah, okay. So anyways, so anyways the point This is a bad argument because it's not it's not even about like whether or not it had an impact Like that is a superficial Uh criticism but like objectively did the film set this up Did the film play around with it and then did the film pull the rug out from underneath its feet at the end And the answer is yes. So that means like Like objectively it works. It doesn't matter if you don't feel it The point is that the story functions properly in that sense. The only argument he presented was just um I knew they weren't gonna die and it's like this is what people say about lord the rings as a whole like Oh, you know, he's gonna get the ring in the volcano eventually. Like, you know, it's like I don't fucking care I don't know if I I don't know The the scene he was talking about with the the quote-unquote fake out deaths in the bed That was also to very very clearly establish how ruthless the ring wraiths are Like that really solidly portrays that they they will just straight up murk these little harness. Not a fuck They will kill them It's not I would call a strict victory tricking them because when they remove the thing they scream They're furious. You're like, oh fuck. Yeah Well, well remember when they write to the shire and they're like And then as soon as they uh hobbit tells them or yeah tells them they just I don't think they well they also don't they just like cut him down as well. I No, they don't go back goes back inside. They kill some random dude on the road with a lantern. That's it. Yeah Yeah, yeah, because obviously they don't they don't give a shit about anyone like yeah, they don't care Yeah, it it serves them no purpose to go in and just kill that Hobbit for no reason. They're they they're focused on Frodo. Like they know where he is now They're going to get them Yeah, they had because all they had was the shire and baggins You know, that's all they had from golem and they tortured them and that's well That was their efficiency. They they managed to catch them up to um, uh, was it buckwood? Is it uh, The principoni, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, they managed like they they catch up to them there And then they have well they kick down the doors and you have the ominous music and it's and it's scary as fuck Do we mention do we mention these movies are really good by the way? I just want to make sure we mention that Yeah Yeah, but I quite a lot cheated when they faked out that Frodo and the rest of them didn't just get stabbed in their sleep 20 well, there's like 40 minutes into the film much for the master race Check who by the way has never met Frodo considering he's been wounded and she's only just met the others cries when he's presumed dead He represents the fucking like the chance for this world to go on The fight against darkness. Also, it is tragic as fuck as a woman the point This is setting up her character. The point is that she's like a feminine Character who's matronly. She cares. She has a heart She's the this again like he he's misinterpreting setup with Development like he's mixing the two up like this is that you're allowed to do this You're allowed to set up a character like this and then then you can complain after the setup that something came out of nowhere Also, wait a minute. This is not even the first time he's made this complaint. This is this is after She escapes the ring rates, right? She's she's like Frodo. Don't give in. He's on the Oh my god, so she was already fucking invested in it. Yes. He's about to die Like yeah, Frodo's life is more important than just Frodo So well, that's what I want to stab you. First of all, you can't fucking be critical of a person Tearing up over the death of an innocent person. Even you what do you mean? Like you of course you can Fuck off. Secondly. She knows who he is and what the point of his journey is Yeah, this represents something huge. This is again back to the my mother died and I felt nothing Like why is this woman care that somebody else is dying? What the fuck? But in her perspective, she's like several thousand years old seeing Frodo die That's kind of like to see like a bloody, you know, like baby die Yeah, again, like I was saying like the reason why Frodo is effeminate is because that's shorthand for him being an innocent You know creature like she's recognizing that innocence in him Yeah, so to have a to have a whole bit travel so far already and then well, how could be put in such peril It's it's fucking heartbreak into them or to her but I felt nothing Why is she crying? Don't say just a random death would upset anyone because what do you mean? Dude, I I'm literally I've literally come across dying animals in the woods and oh my god. That's fucking disgusting Jesus christ Oh my god I'm just saying like you like on stream and everything It happens rags nature is better Yeah, I'm just saying it's it's okay to feel an emotion when you come across something that's dying that doesn't Oh my goodness Oh, can I just can I just highlight that the Greg had to say that it's okay to feel emotions when something is dying Uh, it's clearly because it's clearly just because Frodo's bite. That's that's it. It's just like I It is silly that I have to point that out that you're trying to feel an emotion when something dies Emotions are effeminate So you can't do that. It's your guy Is it gay to mourn because it's treated like in a moment between actual friends with the direction of musicals It's treated as though they're actual friends. Please tell me how you inferred this like how do you defy? How do you know that? What is the difference between a scene where a friend is dying And a person in general that you care about is dying and all you have is tearing up How do you def how do you discern the difference? How how is that done? The amount of tear drops that fall from the uh, of course. I'm retarded of course She knows nothing about him. How no she knows a lot about him at that point Why do you think why do you think she's here? Yeah, what do you think she's doing with him if she knows nothing about She's like hey, man. Do you want to ride? Like little hobbits or stranger hobbits specifically or just her fetish Yeah, she gets very upset when she finds a wounded hobbit in the forest Like oh, look at oh, yeah. Oh, that's that's actually the other thing He's not actually about to die. He's actually about to turn into a ring rave Oh, right. Yeah, that's that is the fate of those stab by his His his body is supposed to be well, you see the transformation going. It's not fucking pretty. It's not fun But uh, like again, you know talking about like, you know seeing the dying animal It's not just dying. It's fucking going to turn into a monster at the end of it. That's fucking mortifying Doesn't matter no character doesn't matter Oh, we know nothing about him. This happens at the hour mark. Oh, yeah, because nothing can happen in an hour We don't know anything about him. What do you mean? We know exactly what is happening Do you know what tragic it is to start your incredibly long journey and get like an almost kill wound right at the beginning? His little hobbit's in for a lot. Oh, it's fucking. I don't care if you don't care Look, what else can we say? I don't care that you don't care. That's that's pretty much where I'm at Like that's fine with me. I cared. Well, don't worry. Mahler. I care that you don't care that he doesn't care right The one hour mark about the guy. Nothing. I genuinely couldn't care less if any of our heroes aside from Boromir died Okay What am I supposed to do with that? How was Boromir established to make the character you care about? Yeah, we was like, how do we how do we know from this guy's perspective? Tell us who we're watching the video. How come Boromir works for you, but like nobody else does Where's Boromir's characterization that is so far superior that it literally just like it dwarfs every other character Yeah, it raises everyone else and they're just and they just devolve into Pardon me. Fucking Kabul cutouts. Fuck you though. I gotta stop thinking so much belch um Yeah, I love that he gives this pass to barbius You're okay barbie you stand over there. Everyone else don't fuck you You're definitely different from the rest of the others who've had no character development like you have Guys seven arrows to the chest is character development Seven to motion. Oh nice. Yeah, but if he died nobody would care because you don't really like death isn't you know, whatever Speaking of which Boromir played by Sean Bean. He's the only character in this film with any kind of development and even that He's the third time third time that's been said. Stop it. Somebody must stop this man It's it's it's fascinatingly wrong Stop it Boromir does arguably have like he has the shortest character arc But the most powerful but like it's very explicit Like yeah, there's a lot going on with Boromir But the thing is to say he's your favorite is like saying The part of the rock song you like the most is when they hit that one hard note And it's like hey, man. He is my favorite. Fuck you I mean, I know and I mean I meant to Well, wait, I would I guess I want to push back on I actually do think there's there's a level of complexity If you take all three films Boromir's Throughline is relatively complex this Son of a steward of a great kingdom. There's got a huge weight on his shoulders in retrospect through, you know through his brother's experiences Yeah, yeah, we get we get a lot of information that it really I find him quite endearing that he's this He's like a legend and he's fulfilled his like position in his family and his kingdom Comes to this fellowship and he's just not taken seriously. In fact, he's villainous almost immediately And yet if you watch his actions carefully, he keeps doing really good things He's just getting more and more corrupted and tempted by this ring Which is entirely informed by the fact that he wants to save his kingdom Yeah, there's a lot of really nifty little things with Boromir and what he says and what his concerns are and how he like The first one of the first things we see him doing after they leave Rivendell is he is training Mary and Pippin in swordsmanship because he knows that they'll need it and they need to be trained in this Like he legitimately cares when they're in the The car address pass Uh in the snows coming down Uh, what happened? What does he say, you know, what about, you know, the hobbits will never survive this he's not about no Not we won't survive But these little hobbits, you know, they're not used to this They're not gonna live his concern is with them Like there's so much to be explored with this with all the little bitty things It's really really really good He jumps with Mary and Pippin. He jumps with them and uh, when they get to the staircase in Moria He's he's looking after them specifically Um, he cares about him a lot and of course, uh, the the the line that solidifies it all is when he's close to death He says, uh They took the little ones. It's like extremely gut-wrenching if you're very invested in Boromir. Yeah I mean even when Gandalf dies Boromir is saying to the hobbits Boromir's the one who has Frodo and tries to get Frodo out while they're in danger But once the danger is passed he wants them to have a moment to grieve Boromir's a legend Oh my god, get over it These films are really efficient with these characters I wouldn't want to imply that we can't do this with all we did it with Frodo earlier Like there's loads for everyone. I know I know like like obviously we're gonna get to that like, um I don't know. I think I'm in in my mindset this game. We're playing like he's just criticizing the first film as a standalone So I'm trying to stick with that that mindset as I'm like Well, sure. I think there's a lot to work with still for Boromir Like all the moments we just mentioned are all in the fellowship Outside of faramia's uh, well, it's a deleted scene as well, which is kind of a shame You know, you keep going to that deleted scene argument, don't you? But I just said I didn't You've raised the additions are the real additions That's true. Uh, if someone was like the theatrical have floors and those floors aren't present in extended I'd just be like, why are we not talking about the extended? Why are we talking about the theatrical? If you want to make these statements about the theatricals like fine, I guess But uh, I would fully recommend the what I would call definitive edition Yeah, also, it's going to be coming out in 4k eventually and that's going to be fucking great Oh Give me that lord of the rings in 4k Minimal Frodo is reluctant to use the ring and eventually Boromir wants to try to use his powers He's the only one eventually he wants to no not eventually he wants immediate go Boromir sense. This is a gift This weapon is set up. It's it's that this is literally this is lit again. This is literally the setup He this is setting up Core characteristic Boromir is defined his weak by wanting to save his kingdom They're setting up that he's weak to this ring in this very moment So that when it happens at the end, it's not a surprise Can't believe it. It's not much something and then he gets into a fight with Frodo. Oh my god This summary is gonna hurt. Isn't it this is gonna get into a fight with Frodo This is gonna hit my soul and he gets to a fight with Frodo. Please please don't in defense of Boromir Sum him up so simplistically. Please please please please don't skip all the scenes. Do I go take a shit for this? He then redeems his own selfish actions by sacrificing himself So they again kill off the most interesting character. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god The fact that he died is what makes him interesting Yeah, it's not it's not everything. I he's not interesting. I wouldn't agree with that That's the point of his character though is that wait hang away. Are you saying that? Honestly, are you saying that's his perspective? I don't agree that because I completely disagree that his death isn't the reason he's an interesting person He would he would know he would certainly be way less interesting if he had not made this sacrifice because the the point is that he Don't make you could like if he would have somehow survived these wounds It would not have made him any less interesting Because his intention was fully to if he had to sacrifice himself to save the hobbits If he happened to survive this we know that he was still committed to doing it Which doesn't take anything away from his character Yeah, but then he would have just been han solo and return of the jedi for the whore No, no, no, no So what we've got to work with then is he's going to feel like he's the reason mary and pipin were taken And he's going to be wanting to fight for him back and he wants to save gondol There's loads to work with still his impact in the return of the king would have been massive because of faramir and denithora's relationship And we got that if he was alive Remember, he would have completely changed that dynamic denithora is a character He's pretty much entirely identified by the fact that he is still a good guy conco but he thinks there's no chance They can win and that's clearly in baramir and his conversations with argon The last thing he says to argon when he knows he's dead is you can do it save the kingdom fight for our people I would have followed you, you know Yeah, go to my king the implication being that had he survived I think argon and baramir's relationship would have been fascinating to watch Absolutely, and I think the endings for like denithora was even described as like a Poison that sarin is using against gondor and if baramir was alive that would have totally changed how denithora would have behaved Yeah, honestly barbius surviving. I'm on hand. I'd be game to watch that. What if Absolutely, it's like the it's it would have been a I think it would have been a very different especially um the return of a king Okay, mauler you get that movie, but it's written by ryan johnson. No fuck He would open it with all of the characters dying He would have been like actually baramir was shit Okay, okay, I can see that there there's plenty to do with him But I I still maintain that the only reason I find him as impactful characters because he does die Well, his death is certainly very impactful. It's definitely the sting at the end of the first movie is that he dies It's it's the punctuation of what I feel like It is a very important point because he is Like I you know like besides aragorn He's the most royal one in the party and the fact that he's the one that died like that looks bad for the party And like that that's a very important plot point like he he is more I mean, unfortunately he he is kind of more of a plot point than a character in some in some ways like Not I'm not de-min. I'm not de-min. No, I don't I don't really mean that like that I like the idea. He's looking at me and rags of avatars. He's like He's bore me and ferramir. They're they're my fucking boys. All right I like I like the way that it that hit bore me your story is continue through ferramir though I feel I like I like that better because then when his father, you know sacrifices him at the end It's just like what were you doing like? What why would that even happen? Yeah, I it's the thing if bore mirror bore mirrors life and or death either way like if you if you were writing these out And you had sort of a roadmap for the story, but you're at the point where you decide All right Is bore mirror going to die of his wounds here or is he going to be saved? Even if he's like out of the fight in some way or if he spends the next X amount of time bedridden while he heals either way He lives or dies here massive implications for both because bare mirrors bore mirrors really important as a character for the trilogy So either way It does a lot And I would say his his death is the punctuation of what we've learned all about him This is only a result of everything we know about him Like this is always it would have happened to aragorn had he been in the situation. He would have died to save two hobbits Yeah, that's another thing is is that he serves as like a reflection of what can happen to our Our more beloved characters like Like this again is the most royal character. So like There's a focus on him that he's supposed to be the most noble and then just in a very short period of time falls And then and then redeems himself And and dies like to shoot, you know, you know, I can we just let's just move on How amazing these non-characters are Right. Yeah Can I just say this was the best part of the video so far just talking about Accidentally admitting there are things about barbie that are good in characterization. It's like, oh, thank god. We got something Wow The character died and and I actually cared So that's what this feels like. What more world has just returned Why what's his argument as to why he cares though because he said that Boromir was kind of selfish and then he was selfless He just says it's cool And do this what i'm talking about Boromir's like the not Boromir's like lirts. He's so cool I'm not a fan of the whole like the reason Boromir's arc is meaningful is because he was selfish and then selfless I'd be like, no, no, that's He does that in like five minutes. Well, but that's kind of what i'm getting at though It's just like that's such a surface level reading. It's like go a little more depth about that What what does all of it mean? Why did it go into the seat that covers it? He talks to aragon in um Fuck what's the it's is it loth larry of the woods? Help city, yeah Where he's like he's he thinks aragon is slowly sort of warming to him and and the fact that it's all about gondor And he's like we're gonna save our people and he's like i'll never let the ring get anywhere near that your white city It's like oh Shit like aragon isn't entirely convinced that gondor Is trustworthy and it's a huge like wedge between them and that's what again What makes that death seed? Even will be full of the fact that they have the the closure on that subject and aragon is gonna fight for the white city is awesome Also, I'd like to bring everyone's attention to what i just posted Oh, he's he's got a common saying opinions are subjective get over yourself Not just that but the guy well somebody said that yeah This was shit and then he said Hey it translated to I didn't watch the whole thing and I can't counter any of the points Oh, right So the first comment says I could pick apart so many of the criticisms in this review But it would take too long and he said that translates into I can't counter any of the points didn't watch the whole thing Opinions are subjective get out of here. I want to make everyone aware We've just crossed into the three hour mark. Is that seven eight nine? It's just 14 minutes of the fucking video Yeah, we're almost at 15 minutes and it's taken us three hours to counter him effectively like this is intense He's gotten so much wrong Yeah, I'm definitely never coming back We'll make the most of it then The bi's wondering, you know, he said he cared where he didn't care before it's like, all right thumbs up No, I'm glad that I came for this one because I mean, I knew like you're not going to do a star wars one But like lord of the rings is my second fave. So oh, I mean he said we're not going to do a star wars You do you know who we are? We don't really do stars We're known for hating star wars and bike and women Why won't you just buy the toys and shut up? It's I just like the idea that you're like you guys ever going to cover a star wars video. It's like, yeah. Yeah, maybe yeah We could do possibly. I'll let you know I only hope that he repeats the same points and we just get to go We've already covered that so we don't have to right spend another usually gets faster because yeah, that's we'll we'll see I hope we would just repeat ourselves. So and even sarah man has no reason to turn evil. No What? I've never seen someone be so efficiently wrong every sentence What do you mean? He's explicit explicit in this scene I need another beer It's this whole scene explains it so Fucking efficiently Saraman is fully convinced that saran has the power to take over the entire world with no trouble He's literally saying i'm going to pick the winner. Yep. Fuck you gandalf and he says gandalf You should totally choose the right team, bro. I didn't get I was like And if you remember he tries again when they're at the top of the tower He's like you should fucking do it and gandalf says to him which should be significant Fuck what's the what's the full line? There is only one lord of the rings and he does not share power. It's fucking great Yeah, yeah, because it comes down to that Well, yeah, saraman is was was head of the white council of wizards and after years of studying dark magic came well became Infatuated with the powers of the ring. Well, he's he's uh, he's also corrupted by the Palantir as well gandalf says Like no idea who's watching It's the same as denifor it it poisons the mind it It feeds on your worst and darkest desires and makes you well become Well, the worst version of yourself and well if you do that to a wizard you get a pretty nasty enemy Well, I mean you you guys keep saying even aragorn wouldn't touch the ring But like even gandalf wouldn't touch the ring Like well gandalf knows that the power would corrupt him Yeah, like if you force him to put the ring on gandalf, he'd be fucked that Like it's set up in that he won't touch the ring when he's given the chance to and throws it in the fire instead Like that is all we need to know that saraman can also be corrupted the same way. That's again Communicating and yeah, gandalf fears it its power and The Yeah, it just goes back to just goes back to hobbits and frodo not one in the ring because they don't desire power They don't desire to rule over men. They they just want to live happy little lives. That's why he's the ring bearer Why is this guy saying so many mean things about my wizard? I want to I want to remind everyone as well. He said that in like two seconds and we just fed like 10 minutes I'm gonna assume while I was pissing away my frustrations and grabbing more alcohol That you guys have demolished the whole saraman has no reason to turn evil Yes, it wasn't that good because he explicitly says it. I just wanted to make sure Oh, he's mates with gandalf and then goes evil and his excuses. Oh my god, you read this like a child He's mates with gandalf and he goes evil It's like okay, that's If if the if the volume's off and you peer at the screen once per minute You might come to that conclusion. I suppose Mates with gandalf is pretty complicated as a relationship. No, I I get it like they're friends one second and then they're not friends What does this mean nonsense? Again, mother rings not convocated. It's really not I was gonna say it's explicit in this sermon Sarman gives gandalf the chance to join him. He wants him to Yeah It's like, um fucking radicals are too busy like fucking smoking weed in his little forest So yeah, gandalf is like is is close with confidence. You know when he goes to visit him at orfank. Um, yeah Fuck sakes So that's gandalf basically saying fuck you It's not it's not him actually commenting in the meta being like this doesn't make sense saruman He's being redundant. Yes, like he's spelling it out like you you are making me face a decision You know that I cannot it's an awesome old wizard way of saying you're fucking nuts. I'm out Yeah, I'm not joining the evil team Your hubris has blinded you you are You yeah, you think that it's gonna go one way, but that's not how saran operates This is not how it's gonna end you crazy. Well, that's the thing I really want to highlight that scene on the tower gives you everything you need Even gandalf thinks he's a saruman's an idiot from his own perspective of like I want to be powerful. I want to rule with the winners and he's like you don't understand You're not even gonna get that like that's not gonna happen. The dark lord does not share power This That's it. That's all you need Whatever happened to crazy What happened to crazy? Well, what's happening? He's Okay, all right You can't be crazy no more Do we eliminate crazy from the dictionary? I mean, I'm just pausing now for the sake of copyright just being careful. I don't know why we're playing this Fuck the racket. Fuck to move it crazy. No, chris. You do need a reason. How can anybody take this Well, we went over it. Saruman's not crazy. No, he's not. He's pretty clever actually Yeah, just point out as well. Uh, remember when he was complaining about too much exposition And now he doesn't understand the actual exposition Again, I've said the story that it's explicit in this scene. It's hard to miss Fight scene seriously. Let alone give it an award. It's fucking hilarious. Yeah, it's like Saruman explicitly says We're gonna lose. We can't stand against the armies of mortar. We're gonna join with him At least we'll be we're gonna be with the winners. We're gonna rule middle earth together I mean, it's it's it's basically. Yeah, it's explicitly For no reason All right, yeah, I'm assuming He's just gonna like I you know what this is ironic is I was just gonna complain too many cutaways and it's literally a family guy cutaway Looks like we see the inspiration Tell me when the music stops because I don't know if it's copyright free I'm assuming. Yeah, this is Yes, okay So I knew I knew when he complained at the beginning that this is why it was silly It's like, yeah, like this is the limitation of films that you are dealing with too. Jerry Attrick I still feel like this is entirely on the individual whether or not you're gonna just Dissern this as ridiculous is really on how much you're immersed But again, like it with in the logic of the film like I feel like, you know, you know, besides the the obvious Suspension just believe that it works fine I'll take a wild guess that even well, he's used family guys as the reference or whatever but I take a wild guess that he would have preferred a Harry Potter wands beams flying at each other Yeah, energy shields and blasts Yeah, I got it for impressions about that was it instead of having a more physical visceral fight between that would be cool Yeah, this is yeah Fuck me Music still going. Yeah, they should have just punched each other We are we done? No No That was badass when he did that. Hey, you know what you should thank him for making this It means we get to skip a decent portion of the film. Yeah, just like just keep this going I mean, yeah, I think he's humiliating him. That's it's supposed to be silly. He's humiliating him. Yeah, he's one He is like humiliation is supposed to be silly and it's part of what makes the Unfortunately deleted scene between Saruman and Gandalf in the third film so effective is Saruman attacks Gandalf He fails and then Gandalf breaks his staff. He's overcome him Yeah, this this is Saruman tea bag in Gandalf. Yes. Yes. It's not He didn't want to kill him. He wanted he wanted him to join him Yeah, and what did he do? Oh, he stuck him at the top of his tower until Hopefully he changed his mind and if not, well, I guess I guess presumably he was gonna kill him And for reference, you can find it silly There's just we can't do anything with that if the individual finds it silly or doesn't find it silly There's not really much of an argument. You're just like, okay Yeah, yeah, the the actual well was actually happened the right in all, you know, the actual, you know The conflict of interest are not the conflict of interest the conflict of ideals That's what's important. Yeah If you find the actual spin around or the spotlight or else he's like kind of like, you know Like well, you like he looks like he's like paralyzed or frozen, you know You can laugh about it. It's fine. It's not a big deal. That's But yeah, fuck me No, he's causing an entire he's causing a fucking blizzard I come on you to make people So this this this shot is fucking awesome And he's casting a spell, right? Like he's he's using Word magic to to cause a thing to happen And it's it's christifally bellowing out this speech like I don't what One of Christopher Lee's greatest moments like the eye so the finding this silly I'll be like, all right, this is actually harder for me to see I just think this is epic as fuck. I love that he thinks that he's talking to the mountain though like Nothing else is happening in this shot. He's just talking to a mountain Yeah, I like wake up cruel red horn and all this stuff. It's so fucking awesome I don't know also again causing an avalanche and a blizzard and may your horn be blood stained I know I know you'll hate me again guys, but again harry potter. He's being a wizard He's being a fucking wizard, but in when it's in Lord of the Rings. Oh, no, that's just actually cool. Yeah He's I think I think there should be a one british person per e-fab Whatever We have what do we oh, yeah, that's actually we've got the only the only double up we have this time around is british. That's interesting I well as motherfucker Wait, what do you mean people who like the prequels loved count dooku You know what I read about christopher lee for like incidental lord of the rings research He did the concept album About being sure. Yeah, it's like a heavy metal take on charlemagne. Like he's old and dude He's one of the best humans that ever existed christopher. He's definitely one of the top tier humans He used to play chess with tolkin. He's I think he's the only actor who worked on the films that actually had met him And I'm afraid of him. Yeah. Yeah, no no joke Um Oh, I could I could talk about more trivia, but I'm I'm gonna let this dickhead speak No, it's okay Yeah, he's awesome That means you can't criticize the lord of the rings. Yep. That's that's yeah I am I am emotionally biased if you I'm gonna stand for christopher lee I I I will read at you Not only is there no character development, but there's no storm structure either The movie is just walking and talking. I'm a heather. You can't be serious We we have we have dismantled What are you like this is parody now the movie has no structure. It's just walking and talking He's like they have a destination. They must travel structure. He literally said There is no character development. It is just walking and talking I could have sworn he's mentioned structure like no story structure or something. Oh I command you to make people like me in the star wars prequels I yeah, I can't do he's amazing. There's no character development, but there's no story structure Like unironically. Yeah, no story structure Yeah, there's no character development and no story structure But yeah, do you what do you do it like if you honestly want to make an argument for why lord the rings is very flawed Don't open with there's no character development or story structure. That's probably not the best way to start It's just walking and talking. Yeah Shakespeare it's just walking and talking game of thrones just walking dude 12 angry men is just 12 dudes in a room talking Hmm star wars is flying ships through space. It's just sitting in spaceships and jabbering on about bullshit It's just like so what happens during these talks and walks anything of interest? I don't know No, no, no, no Can't talk about that either the movie king and talking JRR walking Oh That was oh god, are you wearing that jacket inside? Maybe you should stay a while I just want to apologize to chat if they were hit by that just in general He I I will admit he's made a couple of jokes and a couple cutaways that made me laugh, but it it's starting to it's I will I will just say that I was wrong as long as I was from our conversation I will just say i'm wrong. Okay, never mind. I'm sorry Oh, just like you could be guilty for old tweets. We will make you guilty for old chuckles new chuckles No longer allowed as well Still going, huh? It's weird because it's not even Yeah, I was it's too late. Why is it doc since music playing because he's made a joke rhymed Tolkien with walking two completely different words Oh, I well, I thought it's like really amazing that he did it I was gonna say he did dildo. I thought I thought you should retire after that Oh, I agree. He should have retired after that, but yeah, here we are here Oh just to clarify I'm not bitching that lord of the rings is too long just because it's three hours I like many movies that i'm glad that's oh here we go, but i'm sure Name please don't name Here we go because because a long man bad would be the icing on this I'm just gonna pretend I didn't hear that. I think i'm gonna cry I love the idea that he's like look look Greg. Okay. Look I don't hate long stuff. Titanic's good. You're like I'm the godfather wolf of wall street. So shut your mouth. Yes, you know But fellowship has enough legitimate story to only fill an hour and a half at most which Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. That is true A lot of streamlining can be done in editing like you that could that is not that is not Incorrect. Yeah, however, that is still not a great argument or it should be shorter Yeah, because what you do is you lose a lot of the world building and you You will lose character work and you will lose a lot of stuff Like the point of these movies like the again the blu-ray is four hours long like You're supposed to be living Experiencing this world like people love this world that much like yeah And the reason for that is because they put so much time and effort into it I mean as far as I'm concerned through it what you have to do is highlight several Moments where nothing was achieved and it was of no relevance to the progression or understanding of the story If you can do that, yeah I'll agree with it but if if you highlight a scene to me and I can Easily come up with like one or two reasons for why this is needed important or necessary in any way shape or form I'd be like you've failed. You know and by the way that probably is Like for you know, it's off the top of my head Gimli Blowing at this the the ghost hands in the third film. You could probably half that He does it like three times. I think you could probably do it. So he does it twice I don't know just something something tiny to shave off But these are the kinds of things I think we'd end up with where I'm just like, I don't know Could could do that if you've got like a landscape shot and it's 15 seconds and he's like that should be 10 I'd be like, I don't know man. I don't I don't know that we can make these decisions We're just like this is how long a landscape shot should be. It's like, okay. I don't know Someone else should be five like As long as these films are they are pretty efficient for all that they're trying to do There's not a lot of waste in these films Not not in the original cut at least no I wouldn't say in any version there's waste. I mean, yeah, like we we just watched the extended ones back to back And I don't remember a seed where I was like, this is so unnecessary And even like I said, even if they were character, it's always adding to something I was going to say even the gimli one that's just the because this one inch have been like blowing up ghost hands So in it's cut out the theatrical one But on their way to meeting the the king of the the ghost people They're getting spooked out by all different stuff and like little little hand sort of ghostly shapes are heading toward gimli And he blows them away and it's it's funny stepping on the skulls and he And he hears them crack underneath his feet and it really spooks him and you see it in this face It's like even that is it's doing something for character. It is funny to watch it Everyone's like, yeah, that's gimli and people like that And you gotta remember a lot of because the way he said walking and like i'm assuming he's gonna like pacing is also a thing We can just in you know Consume you you take in a lot of stuff and then walking shots. You can be like, uh, this is lord of the rings This is what we're at so far think about all the stuff we're doing away. We're heading like just lulls in the um The theatrical experience to allow you to acclimate to what is to come It's it's it's the whole music thing ups and downs You don't just have a line right and so it's very hard to be like this seed right here should be in it But of course you can try And i'd be willing to to hear out whatever argument he might have The sequels follow suit on very often the story comes to a complete standstill like here. Nothing's spoken is adding anything Wait, what is a character? This is the scene i was talking about earlier in the king of gondor This is like the fucking like setup super important like you are the king of the universe thing Super important seed. This is not one to reference Like move away from this one buddy find a different one This this dumb scene where two kings talk is so pointless These characters nothing these people are saying is telling us any more about them. Oh my god. It's the complete opposite It's actually the opposite It's it's so interesting. It's fascinating It makes you wonder when he was getting the footage for this clip Like surely the audio must have been playing and he must have listened to like how this is really how you do it Like we went over this ahead of time. So we don't even have to explain it anymore. It's it's in this stream You can go find Like we keep having to run into the same argument over and over again Not not just that. I thought borrow me was his busy. So why is this a shit scene? Man, I thought borrow me was the one redeeming character because he had character development and all this other shit Yeah, but he's also uh, he's also someone who has shitty scenes that don't do anything Like he's a badass and he has a sword and he like killed all the oracleine Yeah, that's what made him cool Hey, the whole of gondola could be here for like fucking 10,000 miles. It's Listen into this fucking scene again in retrospect. It's just so fucking meaningful No, it's it's It's such a good that's the thing like this scene Tells us so much about boromir and aragorn learning about his legacy and his duty and coming to grips with it And how much boromir cares about gondor and how he does want them to be united and uh, it's it's just Fuck this guy in this video Wow racist Uh, I hate white people. Well, that's okay. So progressing the story whatsoever It seems peter jackson just assumed talking automatically meant character development, but it seems you assumed the talking automatically meant criticism This fucking scene is so good. It tells us so much about boromir This is character set up Set up he keeps mixing up set up and develop He's not even he doesn't recognize that it's either of them in this moment. He's like it's just nothing So this is a pointless bullshit seat like why oh Boromir is Where are the orcs? Where are the hordes? Why why does he have zero arrows in his chest in this? Yeah, I'm counting the arrows in boromir, and I'm getting about zero. So let's fucking speed things up. Okay Let's fucking go It's like arrows to enjoyment this this you know diagonal lines. Yeah, it's pretty sure it works He wants to see boromir on just some stone patio saying I never liked arrows They're pointy and long everywhere That would probably be amazing for him. That would be such good foreshadowing. Yes Like oh Boromir has a fear of arrows. He just doesn't like arrows, but I wonder what will become of so good And then alerts could be his like metaphorical nightmare, you know his worst either Oh Just an arrow. It's just a He has an incredible distrust of legless not because I never trust an archer with their pointy What kind of man is good with a bar in the next fight? Do you think you could um, did you think you could like use your swords instead that that'd be great? Cheers Look, I really like my bow. He's like, I know I know I know you do. I've noticed you really Oh, he just has this disdain for legless throughout this the fellowship scenes. We're all just like why though? It's like it all gets revealed Oh Sort of stretched oh like the plot All right Again, again technically fine. No, I disagree. I disagree the Like technically you could If we Look at all the locations they go to and what happens along the way and then tell me how long that should be able to occupy And then I'll tell you I know that We get a cyclical argument of but like objectively you could add more time It's just it was kind of again I don't think there is you need to get actual specific moments and scenes and stuff to show me that that aren't doing anything So for example, you and I are going down to the shops. They're five minutes away How long will this story take? It's like well, it depends like, you know It could be like a half second It could be a cut or it could be that we have a really long conversation Could be something happens along the way like that. This is weird. It could be a montage Okay, well, I mean if you like if you like took all the slo-mo's Shorten them maybe took a couple out. That's like that's like 10 minutes It's just again like there are reasons we have them in the film. They're not they're just I'm not saying that it's bad that they're there like this is this Yeah, I'm just saying technically he's right that technically you could tighten the plot of Yeah, like if you were saying I'm gonna destroy America if you don't shorten these movies It'd have to be America because if it was like shorten these movies Peruse gone. I'm just like I'm keeping the movies as they are. I'm sorry But if you're like I'm gonna destroy America or something like that I like fine. I guess I guess we get shortened the slo-mo's down a little bit Is that enough? Can we stop there? Hey, we're not cutting anything out of moria. Okay. I'll kill you Yeah, moria is I don't fucking care if america's the cost The man's got to stand for something. Okay, and moria is that I even made a point in my notes that these notes are fascinatingly bad I was kind of skimming them as you were talking Okay Writers are awesome and cool, but they never get adopted upon their garf malls. Elijah wood came. What the fuck Dude these all right. We're gonna have to go for the top. I guess this is it just if I told you right I was reading out my notes and these all have time stamps. This is it What time do you think we have? This dialogue bores me. I can't give a shit about the story Who knows? White guy was friends with Gandalf and turns evil for no reason This is like our window into his terrible terrible horrible method of making videos Why is he just got quotes literally nothing happens until Boromir sacrifices? Okay Then because I compare these notes that he has to the notes that I have on the mandalorian And it's like two entirely different universes worth of It it's just so So different These are the most worthless notes ever writers are awesome and cool, but they never get adapted upon adapted upon What compared to my notes and take his and you're like, oh, okay. I guess he really gave this a lot of thought Like also for for for for department saruman in 40 41 23 he says like there's no explanation, right? But in 41 50 and 42 That's that's like we must join with him. It would be wise my friend. You could imply that there's a threat, right? Oh man, there's no reason he says this is the reason You wrote this down like also quite obvious that every time well He listens to the dialogue He even writes it down at times and then he literally just dismisses it I highlight he's got 51 50 Frodo always sounds so feminine shampoo my hair do my nails That's uh Oh, yeah, I'll be Lord of the Rings destroyed. I mean what else what can you say? I mean if that's not a takedown, I don't know what is Awesome shot, but if it as if it lads on his finger. He's talking about when Frodo falls over and grabs the ring with his finger Okay All right, let's let's continue again Eight minute mark the happened was that Frodo got a ring made some mates and went outside I completely forgot that OAP fight that happened just a few minutes before but still that was all that had taken place In fact when compiling the script. Oh, what is this? I feel it needs more than can't think you know them things in fellowship that look like dementors Why is everything harry potter? Are they called riders? They're the dark school. She'll beat equals borough beer. Yeah. Is it Frodo? He fights in the fellowship. That's memorable. I'm asking you lol. Did you just not watch it? Yes, it is. I zoned out of the nine hour mark I feel like the time You're robotting pretty bad weekend Let me move us to singapore sack Don't worry chat. We'll be fine Singapore will as it always will. All right, try again Hello, is it good now? Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, thank you singapore Hey The guy he's talking to also misspelled there there the Nazgul like well, but who so the guy he's talking to like Not watch it. Yeah Also, I zoned out at the nine hour mark, which is halfway through Just how curious the curiosity what where they where is they talking on this because it's all in caps and it's all Like this kind of looks like skype, right? Or is it someone else? Like the font is like Well, it's a particular font and then it's all in caps But I assume they're not, you know, they don't talk like that in chat themselves. Like your caps today That's so nice. Just just a minor thing. It's not you know, it's not a big deal They're just we are just curious as the what this is taken from I had to ask my best friend who loves this movie about certain things in it because it was so memorable I'd already forgotten what happened. Just I don't give a fuck if you don't remember Yeah, if you review it you need to know what's in it That's just like the the base bottom line Yeah, like why why are we talking like I don't remember it? It's like, okay Then you need to watch it fucking again before you make a video on it num skull Like so like the I don't remember it though That can be a valid argument if the premise he set up is that the plot moves too quickly However Yeah, that's the exact opposite of what you fucking said two fucking seconds ago You'd have to pick a film where the most important Aspects of the film are like throwaway lines and information in general Nothing is focused on yeah Well the prestige would be an example Someone being like I couldn't remember all of the different and I wouldn't really blame them for that I would just be like, yeah, it's hard to keep track of it all but you can do it And that's almost because of information overload because there's so much going on it that any one time Right if you say I forgot it because I was bored. It's like, okay What that's your fault. Yeah, like we can't do anything with that Yeah It's like no one would accept this from this is not what a reviewer needs to do if you're bored Then you're just gonna have to get the fuck over it and learn your information Because yeah, because you make this argument about every film ever you could just make accurate There's not a there's not a story you can't make this argument for you be like, yeah, I was bored. I didn't remember it Star Wars is boring. There's Lawy rings is a boring Fucking there are films. I really like that. I forget Like all the details of any rewatch the patriot and it was fucking great and I forgot a lot of the stuff and that film happened and It's good stuff. Good rat. July 4th is the time to turn to announce it. I'd say Yay Oh This lack of noteworthy events is a frequent thing throughout the films the plot which is already I I think hobbits leaving the shire on a quest to save the world kind of noteworthy I mean And a lot of the stuff is made doubly noteworthy in hindsight And I think when we talk about the shire in particular Why it takes them so long to get out of it is for starters to establish the fact that It connects us to this world in a meaningful way. It means a lot to the individual characters that are involved It gives us something meaningful to get back to once it's all wrapped up And it reminds us along the way remember that great awesome place. We were at the beginning Yeah, the shire the shire is the place we're supposed to care about the most so it wouldn't make any sense to not spend so much time here also And that's a failing of the new Star Wars movies because we don't come back here until the very end. So like Like we gotta back home. Yeah, we got to have like this feeling of we got to get back home when this is over Um the so i'm i'm pretty much stuck at the position of like so noteworthy sex of the opening That's pretty epic the huge wall between what is essentially light and dark And how dark hasn't been snuffed out just yet And that's that's the world we're in and most people have forgotten that this is even the case Pretty full boating, isn't it? It's like ooh Um, and I think earlier he even said it was an awesome scene. So I A little bit lost there, but like no noteworthy moments throughout fellowships just like man There's a lot to choose from. Um, I think most people would probably mention the Obviously barmy's death the cliffhanger of the end the everything in moria the balrog arriving at rivendell A lot of these location shots are supposed to be awe-inspiring So again, whether or not you pick them to be like big moments or not. It's really down to the person I don't know. There's lots of stuff here. I'm it feels weird to argue what I remembered, you know I'm just like, oh it just establishes middle earth and that they you know, that is vast beauty and You know, it's full of nature. It's not it. Uh, it's it's whatever Yeah, ready for just goes on hiatus while they talk or walk and pad out filler time There's literally no need for these to be three hours long and no All his comments and the criticisms are the same It's time to stop right? Yeah, that's why I keep saying he just keeps repeating the same basically like four arguments over and over again Whether it's everything's boring thin Everyone's boring everyone's walking. Where are the cool fights? That's basically Where the cool where it's where are the arrows to the chest? Where are the cool Raiders and literal monsters where where are the monsters so they could fight like that's all oh god I feel like I could watch a mini series about just hobbits in the shire doing Things and getting connected with individual hobbits and they're Relatively low stakes, but personally very important projects. Don't give amzon ideas rags, please They can't fuck that up, right? Right? Spends because I've explained they're not talking about anything that could even build tension They're not talking about anything that can end of the world. They're not talking about anything that can bring tension What it's the like you said i'm pretty and if we don't destroy this ring Hey discussing the end of the world laundry. They're talking about laundry day Oh, you know those elvish linens. They they're really light, but ah, you'd not machine washable, of course Which means they're dirty. Am I right guys? No tension Uh Why why why must you do this to it every easy establishes a moment or scene character? Whatever and then you'll just say the opposite of that thing Well, there we go. It's like but that's not what it is It's where the big climax is about to happen and it's all shot and edited like it's coming up I don't need to go back to more talking I mean, I guess you could say so they're chasing them at that point. That's what that is. It's it's scary that they're that close We are being pursued Yes, we are being chased by people who want to kill us. This sets up the fact that they get caught up to Oh my goodness, that's a big action scene at the end of the film where an important character is killed Oh my goodness tension stakes set up. Oh, no Hey, that's supposed to build suspense but I'll see it as more of a cock tease considering this happens at the two and a half hour mark How would that be a cock tease? Yeah, it's it's the set up to the big battle is about to come. You just had the balrog Like yeah, the appropriate analogy would be edging not a cock tease. Oh, yes Cockney's pretty game, bro. This is just saying Yeah, how can you even call it a tease when you get everything you want? He's already talked about like Blitz and barmy his death being his like favorite things Do you think he realizes that one of the reasons he might like lirt so much is because like we saw lirts before getting pulled out of his ground apartment or whatever And he was set up and he's super amazing and strong and whatnot Like this is super like he's from the basement. He just he's grabbed him You don't have to bother of course he does here. She turns into a demon I don't think it goes right back to normal for no reason No reason The ring she's wearing does that she's a ring bearer She's literally a ring bearer trying to fucking scare the shit out of Frodo Well, she is this is her test where she has successfully Rejected the temptation of the one ring. Yeah, and this is it's super scary for Frodo to see a woman like this be You know be turned into that for a moment as she's fighting off the temptation and what it could mean for the world Like this is very impactful for frodo a lot But also for gladrile like it's a big deal even her of all people can be seriously tempted by this ring Can I just say it's explicit once again? She She delivers a speech about how she could be so powerful She could be in all control And then once it's all over she says I believe something on the lines of I've passed the test Yeah, I passed the test Yeah, she basically says that uh, yeah, she'd be stronger than the foundations of the earth and all she'll love me and despair Yeah Yeah, I'd be a big queen and everyone fucking loved me and they'd follow my tick tock and all that bullshit No, I don't want to if you want to if you see a character like frodo as the guy that hangs around and does nothing The scene would make no sense to you There's just this angry lady here and she's like fucking spazzing out. He's going to some shit. Like what's up with that? Like take your pills. Am I right? It affects nothing the scene it affects nothing Oh Oh, except gladrile had fallen for the temptation of the ring god Everything changes. You know what gladrile gives our team. She gives them weapons tools All of which get used. She even gives gimli hair. They get a big buff. They get a buff in this scene. Yeah The fact that she doesn't fucking take the ring is incredibly important, but okay Man, this is fun to a degree Establishes why frodo is the ring bearer why he has why he alone has the task to do it or has to have It's forced upon him. Yeah Yeah, we keep re-establishing what the ring does to people Frodo is not like volunteering for this because he thinks that he's going to get a free trip to disneyland, you know Though he should Yeah, he deserved the fast track pass to Call enough for the rides Yeah Not changing one single fucking what do you mean? How would you know that? How could you know like we see these things play out and he's like Yeah, if gladrile and celiborne wanted to just take it from him They would have done that that would have changed the story in a dramatic fashion No, because that's not what happened. So therefore it didn't matter Oh, okay Like the the special effect like if you want to like get really technical if you want to say like the special effect Like because it was so um abrasive or whatever like maybe it was a little Uh unnecessary and you just needed to show her sort of like lust over the ring a little bit And that's all you really need it for that moment. Yeah, portrayed her potential dark side. I don't know I always took it as just like fear the ring It does it may just look like a piece of jewelry, but that thing is fucked up Yeah, even an elf who's lived this long and is this important and powerful and wise Even gladrile can be corrupted by the ring Yeah, I will want to point out as well that um, you guys are familiar with who tom bombardill is right? Yeah, I know of it Right. So yeah, yeah, so yeah, tom bombardill gets cut from the films because peter jackson thought that it would Diminish the significance and the power of the ring because tom bombardill Um could literally put the ring on and just go it's a piece of jewelry. Ha ha ha. I don't give a fuck um and I kind of Although I'm good that he wasn't in it because he's also he is an interesting character. There's a right in the story or the books um, he does kind of like break the suspense or the or the This or the well, the you know the evil of the ring. It just it just becomes a oh, so it's not actually It doesn't well it doesn't corrupt everything. It just you know It can't it can't just be it can't just be worn by some people Of course, you know because he looks well, he looks like a fat dancing bloke with massive beard so again, it kind of it doesn't well You know, he's not he's not some but he is a magical creature, but you know, he is he's a humanoid So nobody I don't think audiences, especially non-book readers would not they wouldn't they wouldn't get it So I always think that that was a change that was actually for the better for the films um I think I think it could be interpreted as quite strange for a lot of viewers Just like oh, okay, because the film definitely wants to make it clear The ring is not to be fucked with and it affects everything and everyone That's some evil tism In bit this is the whole film tiny little plot, but then it's just pointless things happening But people think they look cool. So it's deemed a story People think it looks cool. So it's deemed a story Yeah, fucking legless paddling that canoe so fucking cool This is what people reference what they like to do the coolest fucking moments of lord the rigs paddling them They set out from rivendell with those gay ass canoes And so the way they paddle It doesn't love laura and less tense as we progress through this Yeah, we don't really need to do anything with this we can just move on just like But they have nothing to do with anything it's so potted with phila. I mean, oh god. Oh god Oh, he said the balrog cgi looks fucking awful. Wow Wow, oh Take a film from 2001 that looks better No, the balrog holds up the there's only one shot that I think it doesn't necessarily hold up And it's when it's there's a shot where it's walking behind gandalf It looks there's there's criticism to be levied there to a degree But the rest of it looks fucking amazing still like if it released in a movie today, I wouldn't have a problem with it I gotta find me a better film. I'll find me a film that did cgi better in that time period Maybe the matrix me. I like the I feel nothing when gandalf dies Okay Good for you. I guess Fuckface ducks under arrow that was five feet above his head So if an arrow is heading towards you and it is five feet above you still ducking is still not unwise I'm just gonna put it out there lads Also, that means he knew about that and he's still questioned why they didn't save him I really don't think he understands what's happening because the notes for the gladrials He goes he turns into a fucking demon. What is going on? Then she goes back to normal. What was the purpose? He's not paying attention guys. Also. Look, he's got we should go back How you're surrounded by arrows. Didn't he in this video question why they didn't save gandalf Didn't didn't did that happen? I could have sworn I might be wrong But I remember supplying the defense that the reason they didn't save gandalf was because they were getting Surrounded by goblins firing arrows. Yeah, and then he said in this in these notes We should go back. How you're surrounded by arrows Yeah, well he said that they ditched him and again, it's no it was it was a sacrifice Gandalf told them to fly like, you know run. Yeah, because we we so yeah, we did more than just the one argument. So Also, we should go back is from I can't remember which character says it but i'm pretty sure it's it's perfectly reasonable Like to be like we should we should do something about it Well, yeah, hey, you know gandalf might need our help Yeah, and of course The the rational thing is like no we have to push on and uh It's a punctuation. It's a punctuation so that when Some idiot comes along and says they do nothing for no reason It's like no, there was a reason that there was an understanding that that was the better thing to do Oh my god, dude, it says no point to this dragged out shots of their faces dragged out everything It's showing them reacting to losing Fucking gandalf They're all in despair Please don't riot johnson this and be like, we know they're sad. We don't need to see the reaction All of them like in their own ways, you know, it's you know, Frodo and the hobbits like, you know Definitely more emotionally affected than like say gimbley was but they're all grieving One by one it will destroy them all she's talking about the franchise Dude lord the rings as a franchise did phenomenally Yeah Well, yeah White wizard talks to awesome looking mud person Well, at least first off it's person of mud. So let's let's tone it down a bit, dude Um, it's not even the books. So what is is are you insinuating jackson's erasers? Is that is all you gonna I don't know man. I'm just i'm a big fan of mud people I hate this video Oh Too awesome mud person. All right, these these notes are next level Uh, please point out where that one pointed like the fucking anyone in the film like discriminate against orcs as mud people It's such a such a weird experience this video. Just look at the actual notes I made whilst watching. We did the horribly bad These are bad notes. These notes are These are they have They're worse than worthless because they're just bad. Very funny though. Very insightful Oh, man. I was so frustrated that jackson couldn't fathom storytelling anymore when you make a film Each scene has a purpose, right? I'm reason to exist. Yeah, okay. That's why they're there when you write a scene You're like, okay, this scene happens. So this makes sense. Yeah, this happens So this I agree with him fully. Let's see what he's gonna. He's gonna conclude on Take place later in this movie. There is a scene where its purpose is for the heroes to realize The ring must be taken to Mordor to be destroyed. That's it. It lost eight mil Okay, so there's a lot more going on in that scene than just that The purpose it establishes so much He literally complained that they spent so much time doing exposition in this scene What so between us what gets achieved in this scene? Holy I would say like we get character work for pretty much everyone It shows the corrupting influence of the ring. Yeah, like it revels in people fighting over it Um, we have we have to back and forth as to what to do with the ring because it's not just It's not instantly concluded destroy it It's more of me to point it out. Let's use it and then we have to explain why that's a bad idea And also and also the fact that Frodo volunteers that wasn't this is what I mean about like that nobody at that At that conversation knew that a hobbit was going to volunteer to carry the ring Yeah, and it works that it's a hobbit because all the other races have issues with each other But nobody really cares about hobbits. Nobody believes the hobbit is going to do it because it's for their own interests Is everyone's like, yeah I remember it like it kind of takes a shot from Frodo's perspective And he sees all of them sitting in the circle squabbling and then he goes, I'll take it I'll take the ring You of course get Barmia saying they should use it against Sauron, which is very Very like I said, this this is establishing who Barmia is and what he cares about very important Yeah, I mean, you know the fact that they're all willing to work together to defeat it because this thing is More detrimental to everyone that it is to any like singular factional area of Middle-earth Like there's so much going on and it pains me that he's like, you could have just had them say we've got to take it to both or good Yeah, it's characters. It stakes. It's all kinds of different things It shows how deadly and evil the one ring is it gets everyone to bicker It almost instantly corrupts Boramir as he approaches it the first time It gets his contrast with Aragorn We are introduced to Gimli and Legolas and Boramir as characters It shows the hobbits and them banding together. It establishes the fellowship It goes into Gandalf's it using the black speech of Rivendell for the first time It there's a lot of speech of Rivendell No, no black speech in Rivendell. Oh, I thought he said all Rivendell like what the fuck? No, no, no Yeah, absolutely right It's a lot happens. I would downright argue that this scene is efficient with its time Yeah, oh, yeah, this scene is absolutely a lot of visual storytelling This is the most this is the pivotal scene. So I mean, oh, yeah Any scene deserves to be long. We go from one movie to another movie with this scene It establishes the name of the film Yeah, deserves to be long. This is the one This is the weird the suicide squad scene of the lord of the rings the fellowship of the ring like Are we some sort of fellowship of the ring? Gimli goes, oh, we're some sort of fellowship of the ring now. Oh that Perfect, we're some kind of suicide squad. It's like, oh, yeah When the shiny miniseries does it it's awful. Fuck the conversation. You can say this in four. Why is nostalgia critic you're I'm not this guy. That's his barometer for what people think of things like okay We haven't even did this one guy say it I don't think we've even covered nostalgia critic on the 93 episodes of e-fap yet. We're getting there. What happened? Yeah, maybe once but yeah, I don't think so Words we're stuck bunnies. Why is that so hard? But here it's okay eight minutes. I can have sex four times Well, that's why he said can Does it does anyone get the vibe that he uh, he's big inspiration is duggle. Oh, definitely Yeah, I would say he's uh dug walk is like a strange son at this point with the style Like after the skit at the start. I'm getting an impression that uh, that's uh, that's we uh, you know Looks up to his hero But uh, yeah, I um, I guess we've been over it. So let him continue saying the scene has nothing in it He's wrong times in that time And this is the scene that sets up the entire adventure and it takes place at the hour and a half mark Whoa, whoa, whoa This is the scene that sets up the whole adventure. It's too long Oh, I want to there's so much wrong with this first of all the adventure started before this started this Like we're going to Rivendell that is that is significant for anyone in Hobbiton. All right That's that's the way this the story that the three films go the scale just keeps getting higher and higher um Secondly, fucking it takes like until the end of the film to even talk about destroying the Death Star in a new hope How shit is that? Yeah, yeah I guess Yeah tlj introduces the big bad supremacy right at the beginning it's way better The fucking 90 minimak it takes a feature length time to get the goddamn fucking Chill out. Yeah Because i'm sorry to say these films are worth it. They are fucking worth building up to this point Yeah, even if what he said was true, it would still be worth it I like plenty of films that are only an hour and a half long that you know that, you know, like, you know Seen by seen by seen, you know quick quick quick done done done, you know There's plenty of good ones that do that some films can take three hours time In fact, you know, if we if we can binge watch tv shows that last for fucking hours and hours and hours Why con films Yeah Here's the thing though So now i'm gonna go back on what i said before is that this is this is one of those moments where you do need to Remember that this is a three movie structure. So you don't want the scene that sets everything up to be right at the beginning that That doesn't end of the series well in the same way that the ending isn't five minutes 10 is 20 because it's ending three films Still like structurally this works Best as the pivot point into the third act in the first film because it's still like a first act moment in the trilogy but But we get time to get invested in the characters and the adventure before we even know Like how difficult it's going to be and that frodo is going to be the one that makes the sacrifice or I mean you even say in this You can even say that it helps to this first It's basically the first sixth is what we have here and the next five sixth of the Series is them after this point and even then in that first segment the first half of the first movie We get establishment of world building our care for the characters The stakes and all that stuff that's really really important And if you don't have that then you get the sequel trilogy where I don't care about the world or the characters So nothing really means anything after that point. You got to nail those things Especially in the beginning to get me on board. His criticism implies the adventure ends at the end of the first film So it doesn't Yeah, like we started and what was that about lisa schwarz born. What a fucking stupid name anyway Never lingering for the sake of admiring its own beauty. Oh my god. Who's your cocaine dealer because I sure as hell need his number Man, just because he's never sure is the bomb doesn't mean you gotta make fun of it man. Yeah Cinematic venom was stupid day Literally taken means where it's not political Maybe there's nothing but show off the countryside and puts everything else on hold It's like someone's whispering in jackson's ear. Didn't he compliment this at the beginning? Yeah Maybe it was just the the the technical aspect he was complimenting like the models and stuff Okay, well What is alex, what is an establishing shot? I he's he's he's flipping out man And he's literally looks cool literally complaining about establishing shots because if you didn't have this shot You know what you'd be doing you'd be going where are we what the fuck is this? Well, if we look at the still right here of rivendell just from this shot you go man I sure don't want this place to be destroyed and overrun by orcs like what an amazing idyllic wonderful place This is yeah, let's let's go film critic mode. So what is this shot telling you? It's like it's bathed in sunlight. It seems pretty hidden safe and warm Yeah, it's a hidden it's a hidden spot So like the the thing is like when we cut to the hobbits here, it's like don't worry. We're safe It's like a trip. It's a nice. It's a nice hidden place Well, wouldn't it be nice to see how it's hidden so we don't just like have it again Look at the like there's more going on than just oh my god Board of the of the water and trees Okay, all right buddy Yeah You don't like there's a reason they would have had this shot beyond just hey, we got to establish where rivendell I'll just put some picture on there. Yeah, this is where our characters are This is where the story is taking place like really really basic shit And it's more than just fucking just trying to show off how beautiful new new zealand is as a country. Come on It is nice holiday commercial No, no, no pretty pretty get a helicopter. You're complaining about this story Establishing shots are not story We're we're shown the architecture because we don't even know we need so i'm getting a little bit confused now Like we don't even why kind of moria's showing memorable It's because of the like that great hall with the endless pillars going into the dark like wow like what a place That's insane. This is an action scene though. Like he's like, ah stupid shots. It's like, what do you mean? Like I was also going to say you can distinctively Point out and observe the differences between dwarven architecture and elves Dwarves live underground and you see all well, you see all the imagery and everything that they have down here elves They live completely different well lives up in fucking well dreamlike fantasy places. Yeah the The architecture of dwarves is very rigid. It's very ordered. It's extremely organized utility instead of beauty Yeah, very utility based. It's very it's blocky. It's it's it's like a minecraft world And then you go in drivendell and things are bendy and they flow and they're they're with nature Yeah, they don't cut how he's built in trees. It's it's they they are one with nature while stores are underground Underground yeah, they have to make the caverns and they make things and they cut into the world and they assert dominance that way It's very great great contrast and you don't need to read the backstory You don't need to read the similiarion or any fucking else. You can just literally tell by the fucking shots, but Oh, no, we've got to show off Popped a new more crane. Fuck it. Fuck it. Who needs a story? Who needs a script? I'm fucking dope for this review Because he was reading the from his phone there for that like I don't it's it's getting weird because it's just like So the one you just highlighted is like there's no story It's like so they're exiting moria because they're being chased by a foul fire demon That was awoken by a bunch of dwarves that were too greedy and dug too deep And it was it was a place that cuts them right through Kahadras, which is where they want to get passed in order to get to their goal What what about that's not story? Yeah, because they're you're doing all of this as part of a quest that they have to do to do this one thing And they've established what the stakes are and what we're trying to save I what is story to this person? How would you have done it? Yeah, define story Help me out because I'm getting confused We won Fuck this script. What the fuck the director didn't give a shit Fucking just just you The director didn't give a shit. Wow. Um, that is like the last thing you could accuse peter jackson Like never heard uh never heard that before he looked kind of like actually pissed and what we've seen so far Doesn't support this reaction. I'm just like what's wrong. You okay I mean like I would even as much as I hate tlj and think it's an abortion of cinema I would never say that that ryan johnson didn't care. Yeah, he came You know, he cared about the wrong things, but he did care. Yeah What uh, all right. Well, I wish spend it all on on crane shots. Who gets the fuck about writing just You don't spend money on a script as a writer. You just you write it's time. Yeah, not money You need time and skill You know how much like buying buying successful writers it's going to guarantee a shit script The story is established by a fucking book series So strange What is it get you to jump off a fucking movie quotes now and then just who cares, you know Who cares about writing anymore? Do you remember when when people cared about the story? Yeah Yeah, I love you like the last Jedi mate. Yeah, I don't know. What does he mean? It's like Lord rings was a really good time in terms of how bad writing river that Look at all 2001 through three Writing 2001 through three rip Like like la la la land nominated for best original screenplay It's got the most over done fucking story in the history of the galaxy Just no one cares about original story. I don't understand this book. This book is cancer Okay All right, man, like he's kind of all I hear is re Yeah We're gonna let him move right along I guess Ah You okay? Are you dying? No I'm like, well, since you asked, no, I'm no, I am not okay. I am very bothered You don't agree most not in here Okay, I agree. I mean, I'm sorry Um cameras out of focus It's weird that like the background is always focused and not him I think the camera doesn't want to you know, well, you could turn off autofocus. No I'd like to think yeah, the camera doesn't like him. I'd like to think that yeah Yeah, I agree with that idea And this is almost every scene. Oh look at that glorious moment there already off screen right, but okay I'm just wanting more always screaming for the closing credits and now we're on a half in Okay All right, still waiting for another argument. We're still we're still just throwing random things Sorry, your add doesn't mesh well with the lord of the rings my dad You know that that's also my sentiment about this video like Yeah, the movie is just constant padding and constant filler for no reason one of the That's your fucking review He keeps saying things like a criticism that you'll end it with for no reason They want to destroy your ring for no They're walking and talking for no reason Oh, look elves they've got pointy ears for no reason Oh hobbits are so short for no reason the white man with the mud people is evil for no reason He's just so fucking dense Less is better writing 875 pages doesn't make it better writing it makes it lazier if anything because We'll never How would that be lazier Hold your horses there Look you just don't listen to his arguments, okay, you just can't count to them Tolkien survived the trenches of the great war to get this guy's fucking video If you're thinking about it writing 800 pages is lazy That's why my script is only like half of one because I work hard I have so much hate Right you couldn't convey that message in fewer You needed to stretch it out as long as possible when it wasn't necessarily that's not as long as possible All right, so let's if I was him God I am already shivering at the thought but if I was him And I had my terrible opinions and horrible hairline and I was trying to convince everybody that I was correct about these movies Then I would say here's an example This scene and this scene are totally redundant and here is why you don't need to have both of these scenes and it's too long That's what I would do if I was him that would be my attempt to convince people I highly doubt he's actually going to do that Because all this is surface level there's no There's no Point where he dives in and really explains things. It's just a lot of assertions and claims With nothing to back it up for no reason Well, it's because he's not lazy He's not like jr or token. He's not lazy like that guy. Yeah 800 pages with a lazy fuck And yes, I got this impression with the books as well. I feel like they were just as poorly written Unnecessarily padded out on the dialogue. Just oh boy So you have chosen death Don't even want to go there. We're just like Oh god, Jesus This is wooden and phony they're in the way the movie even has a six minute intro six didn't he compliment it? Oh, no, wait Wait, so how long is an intro allowed to be just question mark? Hey, let me double check. I got my file open Six six minute intro in a three hour movie is bad Hey, hey, here's a thing alien. Do you guys remember alien? It's like fucking like seven odd minutes until a character says anything. That's bad. The intro is amazing But including including intro like, um logos It's pretty much seven and a half minutes and then we zoom in on bilbo and the shine So yeah, that's that's too much, right Check can you check your book of how long things have to be? Because we often get told things are either too long or too short with no qualification And I I'll I'll freely admit as well, right? I did think that, um Before Frodo sets off leaving the shire. It does take ages. I I've really admit that in the books, but it's The film the films the films do cut down things and but for no reason Considering he is he's making out. He's read the books. I don't I don't fucking believe it. I don't fucking he can even watch that Like if if the films were so boring and so uninteresting for him to keep again How the fuck could you read the books because they're way longer again? There's no fucking chance. He wouldn't He must have read like if he read the books It would have been fucking cliff notes on someone's fucking stupid, you know, buddy Uh literature page or something. There's no fucking way. He read the books. I don't fucking believe it for a second He didn't watch the films apparently so I come up. I he's lying. He's I'm fucking saying it because everybody loves the trailer. It's just a trailer The intro there's something for me. I saw he saw the trailers and that's all he's gone by Which you know fair enough. I can't see you doing much better if you well actually no You can probably praise the trailers. I assume the trailers are pretty good actually I just you know, I'm watching this so long Minute no one saw my movie. I'm sure it'll come back and bite me in the arse if I don't mention it My film had a six-minute intro, but the difference is that was made. I had no idea about how filmmaking worked He lives in squalor What is this argument? What is this? What is this argument? What is this argument? This movie this movie is bad because it has a six-minute intro For example, my movie had a six-minute intro and I'm you see I am I'm awful. Don't do what I do Like what like what is that argument? I don't understand this argument. Don't compare yourself to fucking jackson or tolkin I gotta admire his Like yeah, he just compared. Yeah, he's right. He just compared himself to fucking Peter gaxon I'm just a baffled. It's like I know it's bad because I did it when I was bad What are we watching? Also, I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna watch your movie. I'm gonna watch the Lord of the Rings again. Just yeah I'm morbidly curious about his movie No, it's like rags. Rags. I'm warning you. I From just just this scene. I don't think it's a fun experience Look at the cinematography. Yeah, look at the the way you see. Yeah, you see the picture It we get a piece of the environment. We get the dirty hole in the wall We get the dirty rest of the wall. We get the fucking radiator We get the electrical panel behind his head We get the coca-cola can on the it's we all this is world-building. I was about to say It's like it's like we would actually assume if this was a film that we'd be like, oh, look at what we're being told Well, he would be like what? What do you mean? He's got a second chair in the room as if there will ever be another person in there. I mean, there's so much to pull from this He I'm I'm telling you man. It is This guy keep an eye on him Keep an eye on him Alice just said that we need to get free to say for no reason Ah Poor schmuck on the internet. This was by Peter Jackson a real professional director who so means, you know Fuck all about what's working here or not. Thanks. I can feel it that I don't I don't know a point Do you say Jackson was one of his favorite directors or do you just say that you made two of his favorite films? Because one of his um, yeah, you may do You may do. Yeah Uh It's fuck yeah You can let us do cartwheels through fly vomit whilst reciting songs from high school musical wearing outfits from top cat in the snow With lil wane as a backup dancer and everyone would still praise it as being genius No No, that was funny. It was a joke Oh, that was a joke. Oh, wait. Yeah, I think that's probably what I was. I think Oh Um Truly a funny joke. Oh This is the thing if you go through each like 10 second stretch of the intro piece by piece Pretty condensed. It tells you a lot quickly Set in the stage But they were all of them deceived the ending is more dragged out than face off and even has eight minutes of closing credits Really we're complaining about credits now credit Even the credits are too long man. Peter Jackson was a dipshit Fired more people Yeah, but then there would be a fired people section on the credits Staggering honestly The life out of us enough already This is the only other sequence that actually attempts to build some character in story development whatsoever. The only one No Why is this the one it's not story development though. It's well, this is so weird. This category is so strange So this scene is Gandalf teaching Frodo That you don't just arbitrarily kill That you need to you know weigh it up make the choices and to show pity and Spare people's lives where you can and that shows strength like it's Big ol character building moment Like the idea that because he said like a super story boba, but also that's right. It's a category wise weird to me but okay But again, like this is throughout the films the meaningful stuff like this and he only seems to pick up on some of them That and cool cool mud people that seems to be his jam Well, if you take any scene from this movie and I tried to find out beforehand what his opinion on it would be I would have no clue. No Maybe just rolling dice at that point. Yeah, I was expecting him to be like They get lost at a fork in the road if you will with three options and it's just a waste of time They'll sit around for no reason See the difference in all of those shots they explicitly show you his current state of mind Yeah This is after he's discovered that the greatest power and evil and weapon in the world is in Frodo's chest Yeah He's fucking terrified He wants to sort this out Oh, yeah, yeah, he doesn't need like go. Why did you hide the ring? He's like he's hoping that Frodo didn't just go. Oh, yeah No, I traded it for some turnips if the camera had taken three meters of steps back and showed him grab Frodo and go Is it she we'd be like, oh, what's going on? I guess he's upset. Okay, but if you zoom it right in He fills up the whole frame Gets you right in that emotional space of being stressed Yeah, like when when somebody's face fills the screen it means their face is important No, it's just bad filmmaking No, it's just weird territorial decisions Weird what I can't think of any reason why they would do this. It's so weird. Yeah, there's no face close-ups in the book Yeah That would be funny asterisk like imagine the camera getting really close to this character's face In the book their face fills the screen you're like what I wrote reader put your book to your face Every conversation ends with fade to black Again, so this shot is him saying Frodo will decide our fate and you get to see his exact state of mind about this He's relatively content with leaving it in Frodo's hands because Frodo is trustworthy And it's cold as fuck Also, yeah, it's cold his beard's all icy Look, it's wrinkled old mug. So when we do genuinely see tense moments like this which builds up to a close-up It doesn't mean anything because we've had a dozen before Wow Okay, it doesn't mean anything it doesn't make sense for no reason is it is that literally what he has I'm telling no what he's What he's saying is that that first close-up you have in your film It better be the most fucking important close-up you ever had Because every close-up after this is going to mean less and less and less that's how that works For example showing a shot of characters walking the first one. Yeah, that's pretty awesome second one I'm not feeling it third one. Oh now we're in bad territory walking just hurts to see Yeah, I All that's all we do is just we just walk For no reason We're in after it and the weird actors only get a few so I think Peter Jackson secretly has an Ian McKellen fetish or something Ding another What is this gay panic like? So we I'll mention that. Yeah Another measure that he is gay. So it's just like are you uh, are you trying to get at you mate? Gay wizard. Nothing wrong with a bit of sling shlong. Just test it out. I'd say he doesn't need to be afraid And that was his way around uh, I don't never mind. You could also it's just just random thing It still blows my mind that Sean Connery could have been Gandalf And he thought it was too stupid to be gander. Well, he thought the story thought the whole thing was stupid So he didn't he didn't take the part. Well, excuse us about the Sean Connery is Gandalf I don't know. Maybe it could have worked. It would never be as good as a calender Fuck your dragon Yeah It's just one of those what ifs, but it's just it was it dwells on my mind daily So children, this is a story about a great filmmaker called Peter Jackson He used to write great stories with great dialogue, but one day he discovered a book and always lost Destroy it Oh another close up Wait, you advocating that he should have destroyed Lord of the Rings books instead of adapting them. Okay Yeah, I think the source material is bad also It's so well made and yet we spend so much time staring at Gandalf's nostrils. So we really can't appreciate them enough Okay, we can't appreciate the same point again. So what? What I don't know Pain it's just pain. Okay. He's just repeating his voice for no reason No, Lord of the Rings fans live because they can't get any pussy Oh All right, I'm sorry, but if you you know, you aren't exactly the sex symbol of our age, you know I don't know if it is I don't know if questionable wardrobe dirty ass room Horrible hairline bad accent I just don't know How many um, how many girls would you take back into that room without the hole in the wall and to fake the Yep, it's probably he probably has holes in the walls because that's where he buried him It's a joke It's a joke In addition, these characters just burst into spouts of random laughter over nothing at all. Oh my god No, this is literally this is literally the reuniting of two close friends for no reason They love each other It's like really kind of This is again set up. How can you possibly assess this is for no reason If you haven't seen the Hobbit, then you know in this one scene These two are kindred spirits. That's all you need to know correct me if i'm wrong But he asks who's there and he says an old friend And then they embrace and they're laughing are happy. Oh, it's turned off my friend He actually goes how about an old friend and then he's like, oh, oh not one of those dickheads wants money off me Or my you know my my fucking grieving sack filled back Yeah, and then Oh my god, hello. Oh my goodness gracious, but i'm away. I don't even know what I Even his guest doesn't like Yeah I don't know He wanted to make a drink joke, but he couldn't be bothered to get the it comes in pints He couldn't get that in I'm disappointed in finesse. He hadn't seen the film. So come on Did it it's not that have anything against the fantasy genre. I love harry potter. I love legend of zelda, but right away This loses my interest. Why do you bring up legend of zelda? Who cares? Why well, he said like it's not that I hate fantasy. It's like nobody would have assumed this as like He keeps listing things he likes, but they're such arbitrary lists. They're not informative to like It's the same category as him being like I didn't feel anything in this scene. I was bored here This is something I like more than this one. I'm like, okay. Okay. Okay. I don't care. Oh, that's useless So bland and wooden that I just can't get invested into any of it and you know, I really try to enjoy this I really do Yeah, I I'm gonna press x to doubt on that one It's an adventure about jewelry Wow That's even worse than what we fucking said. It's an adventure He actually he actually ruined us on the the oversimplification of the clock. Yeah, because he beat me out Didn't I say like they have to destroy a ring and he's an adventure about jewelry Yeah, because at least yours is worse because you have like a goal in mind This is just It's just an adventure of like concerning jewelry in some way. It's it's how that could be anything It's like how you describe a Barbie straight to dvd movie As as the oldest of four who have watched many Many many Barbie movies that were released straight to dvd They are basically adventures about jewelry Lord of the Rings is a movie about jewelry intended for children, I guess Is my god jewelry intended for hobbits What like do we even have to just just pick a movie we do you can do this to it? It's not hard I'm sorry. I hear that seriously I don't care if you take it seriously It's like there's literally literally people killing each other with swords and shields No bother Doesn't bother me harry potter has people with little sticks waving them at each other and saying words to make magical things happen How utterly ridiculous I can't possibly take that seriously At least jewelry is cool compared to little little sticks. Like who the fuck cares about sticks stupid. I hate it It's the worst You're a hobbit Frodo Oh, and someone's just highlighted isn't yeah the mcu. So that's just entirely about jewelry. I guess a big gauntlet with jewels in it Ah, but it's multiple jewelry. Oh, and it's goldenie. Well, I guess the ring's goldenie. Fuck, uh Yeah, I don't feel it's purple not black. So Don't touch my ring oh, so That's the fucking seat. Oh my god I mean, that's what he took away from it. I guess Don't touch my ring Don't touch my ring Don't touchy my ring. Why is he doing a super cut of the ring? I'm not holding it with my hands Because he doesn't want to get corrupted by it out of the fire. He had to take it out of the fucking He's stupid. He's literally just doing it to highlight that it's about jewelry. That's why that's why he did They just prove that he's correct that it's about jewelry As if anyone's gonna disagree that the lord of the rings is about a ring. It's like, yeah, no, I I agree It's also about a lord Yeah, that it's also about all of the other important characters of the world This was a panelist. We should go back. How You're surrounded by arrows. Who the hell wrote this shit? Oh, that's what he means by surrounding us I guess he forgot the arrows in uh, moria Because these were the arrows he was talking about. Um, yeah Well, so if you remember gimley's character is characterized at that point for many different little things But one of them being significantly that he's not a fan of elves Uh, he's suggesting we go anywhere but with the elves Yeah, and also the assumption is not that they're being held prisoner, but just being stopped like Like the like in in that situation You don't just necessarily assume that you're going to be killed because like If if they're going to kill you like the arrows in you before you know, those guys are in the trees Like they're stopping them. They don't know that it's an arrest and they don't know like Also, these guys are all like super heroes. Like you see how that they how they behave on the battlefield so like Yeah, it looks dumb because he's surrounded by arrows, but like Like you just assume that like some sort of plot armor like he's saying that because like his ego His if that's part of his ego is just like he could get out of it. That's the way he's Well, yeah, he's he's also announcing outwardly to his captors that yeah, it's we're totally open to just leaving We'll leave if you want us to we'll go. Yeah, like we're not we're just trouble. Yeah. Yeah, exactly exactly. It's it's it's a it's a You know a negotiation essentially. Yeah, it's like it makes sense if you think about it for three seconds Wait, wait, guys, wait a minute. Are you telling me that cinematic venom? Didn't pay attention to the movie so We we're kind of memeing about how he didn't watch the movie but the further this progresses It really does seem like he didn't actually watch the movie. Yeah So touch base he's It's taking like 25 minutes for him to cover the fellowship of the ring So it looks like he's gonna give like what a half an hour to each uh film. I imagine I can't wait for two towers and the return of the king It's it's gonna Sorry, I was gonna say it would be interesting what you have to say about that because Yeah, obviously two towers and the return of the king are definitely way more action orientated. Um, you know, well I can't wait for him to I can't wait for him to have issues with helms deep or something. I can't wait It's gonna be I can't wait. I mean, fuck me. No Well, but so that's the other element I think that we should probably highlight is he's clearly only going over criticisms in these microwave like He's he's skipped over so much good shit Or he didn't remember it He's incorrectly trying to highlight nitpicks that aren't even nitpicks because they're not accurate Yeah, like let's say there's 20 things to talk about in this particular project He's talked about like one through five and then seven and maybe 18 and he said they're all bad when they're not Like that's basically all he's done And I feel like fellowship is probably going to come to a close considering where we are in the timeline Yeah She's talking about this franchise All that was in his notes And like moller said this franchise is very lucrative I just really well yeah Yeah, they're just pumping out lord of the rings stuff like every year For example, if if I ever wanted to make the statement that uh tlj and tiras destroyed star wars as a franchise I'd be like, oh asterix like it still can make loads and loads of money. I just mean that it's damaged the franchise I think is what I would say That's all you're gonna lose people's interest lord of the rings the movies Like I don't think you could argue anything other than it boasted lord of the rings as an ip It only went up. It didn't Like what what was You know, I don't I don't really get that I was I was gonna say that um from the films it it um Reintroduced the uh the books into the tops uh bestsellers again. It's it it it well It cost so many people invested and they loved it so much. They wanted to read the books And I mean it just were bestsellers again In fantasy, I mean this was the vehicle just like game of thrones probably was for a lot of people that got a lot of People interested in fantasy in much the same way that Battlefield 1 Probably got a lot of people really interested in world war one in its history and stuff about it. Yeah. Yeah Not that funny No, it was a funny joke. There's no reason Oh, yeah, sure. It's cliche when joe schumacher writes it. You know, you want to you know, you want to do every Oh See doing the The nostalgic critic style with the blank wall also, is that the same? Yeah, but he doesn't he doesn't have any blank walls They all have blemishes Yeah, but they're all dirty or they have holes in them or Burn marks or just this is why I guess you could say he's a discount nostalgia critic That's pretty much his role on youtube. Kind of. Yeah, he's not as good as this logic critic. That would be generous Jackson That's not even the same thing. Oh my god, what's wrong with what's wrong with bohramir saying curse you You know From bohramir's perspective Frodo running away and not giving the ring to him gondor could be doomed No rags. He would rather have said bohramir have said Fucking hobbit or some or some modern That would be fucking awesome You gotta say the h word Frodo. Look if if Frodo get the fuck back here If um if if the frame was like bird's eye and you had both of his arms in the air and bohramir shouted curses I'd have been like damn. That was awkward. Yeah. Yeah, like yeah, we were shaking his fist. Yeah, no Yeah In that scene it's intentionally camp. That was the point of that scene Like those two scenes could not be like They're not even in the same league. Oh, yeah the the joe schumacher's batman and robin is all camp But but here's the thing though. His ultimately his argument is that well since nostalgia critics said it's bad in batman That means it's bad in lord of the rings. What a strange Stab the delay that is the whole argument. Is he a copy? This is just a theory. Is he like copy-pasting arguments, but not understanding why the argument exists in the first place Is he like cosmonaut righty hour? I don't know maybe Oh I don't know See our video on him like Oh, he's been thoroughly covered. He's he's about as good as cinematic venom. I'd say Yeah, they're pretty close once just more well-spoken sort of but that's yeah, I'm better at editing the only difference really That comes to quality. They're out on the same level Fantastic brilliant best screenplay. I think the film's problem is this. I love the harry potter universe because we're pretty Harry Potter universe is fucking lame Harry Potter and the chamber. I don't I don't care to comment on harry potter. I just don't I like I have to rewatch the films Just unironically structured the sentence. So here's the problem with lord of the rings. So I love harry potter Did he actually let me roll it back But when peter jackson writes it Fantastic brilliant best screenplay. I think the film's problem is this I love the harry potter universe because we're pretty much lumped in at the very start of the saga with Yeah, you're right. I just wanted to clarify Yeah, uh Well, here's the thing. I would have gathered he was born by him just like being a character I would have guessed that he at one point had been born before that Simple virtue of existing. Yeah, I would have assumed Is this argument lord of the rings sucks because it's not harry potter Yes, exactly. Look best fates interpretation. He's going to establish something harry potter does and it's something Lord of the Rings does not do and it's something that all things should do is probably what he's going to be trying to do here His birth and we have eight films to see the harry potter mythos expand and grow here Everything's already been developed. So we're thrown in halfway through What do you you can make that exact same argument in reverse the harry potter universe has already been developed wizards And castles that house them and teaching them. It's all been done already. We're just jumping in now You know, we don't typically start our stories with the big bang or the equivalent of let's not really how anyone does anything Um, this is the most important journey for frodo baggins to have watched frogo frogo frodo baggins from birth to now Would have been probably not as interesting gonna put it out there Which is why I don't quite didn't just make the hobbit first All of these backstories could have been made interesting more interesting than the books at least However, in jk Rowling's universe potter's adventure meant something. Oh my god I'm done with the potter and the nostalgic references We said he said so How is this minute smaller? I'm done with the references like put them away like Tolkien based his story on like deep ancient mythos and stuff Like that connects humanity to the past, but harry potter means If like of all the things you could say is comparison. Well, you know harry potter means something you're like Really, that's it. You just okay. That was like it's a hard thing to say out loud. I can say that much This one quickly throws frodo and his mates in like oh, well your uncle bug it off. Sorry mate. It's a rig off you go So now it's too quick. I thought it was too long All around for Rating Guys is he not a troll at this point like it feels a little troll. Yeah. Yeah, like it's He his arguments No, I think he's just really poorly expressing his inner thoughts That could also be it. I agree which comes across as trolly It feels so rushed and forced again weird for a three-hour movie that drags out everything Oh, he highlights it himself. He's like, it's all so rushed and dragged out Like, okay Thousand rush is the actual initiation of the story fellowship to me has an awesome climactic third act, but you have to sit through an Wait, wait. I really don't he said that He said that they rushed the initiation But he complained earlier on that we only get like the fellowship Fellowship set up like in the last third of the film like He he also complained that the intro is too long. So I don't know It's really hard to keep track of exactly what the problem is. Look, it's not Harry Potter. Okay Not meaningful Yeah, it's like when you try to piece piece all of the pieces of logic together To like create one coherent like problem that he has with the movie. I just I'm not getting one Oh two and a half hours to get to it Elijah was acting as terrible, but he's the only one You don't know what you're talking about. It's his opinion leave him alone Literally It's not Harry Frodo is bad because he's not Harry Potter like shut up Harry Potter Harold Butter Best movie ever Very punchable face and his character is so annoying but gets worse in the films to come Let's just we're gonna we're gonna roll that back there Elijah was acting as terrible, but he's the only one other than his uncle Dildo Sean Aston is okay, but has a very punchable face and his character is so annoying but gets worse in the films to come What? I guarantee you he gets more annoying in because he gets more gay. I think that's what his argument is going to be Because he is headache dude problem with it so far That might be his hottest of takes he's just said Sam gets progressively more annoying. It has a punchable face It's like wow Yes Yes, we've already established that we don't like him because he's too gay Like and he only gets worse. So I'm not really enjoying where this is going Fuck Oh my god, you were right He gets Please look the next person we cover i'm sure they won't be they're just it won't be bad because gay, okay I'm sitting I hate this that I literally predicted it He's bad because gay It's something bizarre fucking criticism I can't stand this shit Where are you I need to sit on your penis No, he's so much worse Just stop it just say anything else Guys are so good guys is it gay to have friends? It's gay to have friends Having friends is gay That's why I had to pay these people to be in the skits in my movie Oh my god, I paid the first one off with drugs. I paid the second one off, which is more food Come on. Are you telling me that like Frodo's obsessive stalker? No, he's a good He cares about it To be with Frodo and protect him his journey. Do you know what a stalker is? I'm so I'm so spent to have the fucking just fucking defend sounds like This guy never had friends like I'm gonna hashtag blog a bit like when I first got my heart stomped on by a girl my friends came to my rescue like Is this concept foreign to this guy like you mean your stalkers came to your rescue For no reason so so when you became an incel your friends came over Yeah, and then you did the game. It's me that gay is the way. Yeah. Yeah He told me like, you know Hey weekend, you know what a bottom is. Yeah, but like that was Dude I It's funny that you're just like, oh you guys are like coming up to the five hour mark It's like guess what? I'll give what you got a defend next. Sam is a worthless character. You're like, oh Yeah Honestly though, it's just this system mischaracterization of just like pretty much everyone like He didn't fucking listen to anything that happened in this movie. He has no idea Everybody is a nothing character to him. He thinks they're all just people who have stuff Yeah, and well, he also hinted that uh, Gandalf was creepy because he Because he cares about people Yeah Oh boy Oh for god's sake, Sam. Leave me alone. This is why I got the restraining order. I made a promise, mr. Frodo I promise Don't you leave him some ways? Wow, clearly gay, I guess Yeah, very gay. Oh come on. How can people deny this? What Doug Walker said if Sam and Frodo were actually gay in the story Jesus christ if Doug Walker said it then I mean, he's practically your god I can't breathe I wouldn't care. Hell it'd be cool. Maybe they'd be the first gay characters. Why do they have to be gay to be friends What is wrong with you people? No, no, they have to be gay. You can't just have people be friends There has to be some sexual component to it Especially if it's lgbt gotta gotta have it. I know I know I I'm sorry But all you weirdos who shit every fucking character friendship in every fucking franchise. Fuck off. Just leave They're friends. Okay. They're good friends. Let's just yeah, okay good Phantom us fantasy film with an openly gay couple. That'd be great, but pia Jackson claims it was all unintentional How is any of this written acted shot and edited without anyone realizing the gay overtones? Because what do you mean? That's not a point. That's not the point You you highlight stuff like I don't want to leave you. I'm here to help you and it's like, wow, that's gay It's like that's you you're what you can't he's like clearly gay overtones. Like what do you mean? You're gay I think he just he's just seeing the gay, you know, he just sees gay everywhere Sam is fucking uh, I forget the uh, the is it molly the other He marries he he he he yearns for her at this point He's all he's I think he only mentions her at one point that he wants to go back to the shy and see her Yeah, and he wants because you could isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, he's he stares at her in the pub when they're drinking He's got the horn for the weremin Yeah, yeah, yeah, he looks over and she smiles at him if I remember. Yeah. Yeah He's not fucking gay. They walk this is right before frodo sees goes to Bilbo's house. Um, I think anyway No, it's where before Gandalf comes back from ministeris. Um, they're in the pub and and sam says Uh, he's worried about like some other guy talking to her and then frodo is like, don't worry She can see an idiot and then he goes. Oh, no, she can't like implying that he thinks he's not, you know Worthy of her Um, and the end of the film he steps up and he's like, no, I'm gonna ask her out. I'm gonna do it He's like, oh nice little off there Because sam is a humble shy little hobbit at the start and then he grows into a fucking courageous bad ass Like for a hobbit Yes, sir out at the end he he gets up and he goes and he asks her out Yeah, no clearly gay at the very end. Yeah clearly gay. He's repressing it He marries it and gets a few kids or a lot of kids To at least but clearly gay He's fucking player. You know more He becomes I need I need to I need actually to head out For fourth of july things and I don't know if you'll be here when I'm back. Maybe maybe not but uh I'll I'll be gone for a while. So if if I'm not back then this is a goodbye at least for now It's been fun. Mr. Raghu. Perhaps I shall see you in the future Indeed you shall uh, but that would be where you see me. Yes Mm-hmm Um, yeah, it was good to see everybody week in warrior and uh armored skeptic and Smiler and everybody so have fun going through the rest of this video. I wish I could stay but it is Goodbye, Mr. Rags You bet. I'll catch you all later. Why? Bye. Bye Well, it's probably a good time to check in with how's everyone doing. What are we how are we looking here in terms of um longevity? How's everyone? How is everyone? well I think I'm have a feeling that he's just going to be making the exact same arguments again for the next two So like I'm not saying don't go through it But maybe let's just lightning around some of it if we hear the same arguments again Yeah, yeah, we we will try and move through this faster. All right lads Like I said, there's more action in the next two films I feel what he's got what actually he's gonna have to say about these ones more than the first one Because I I can dig that. Yeah, you might find the fellowships like, you know, slow paced Drawn out. I can I can understand why people might think that but he just Well, yeah Like enough said I'd rather that he's a troll than a person just to understand the whole movie You're like, I really hope that's I'm sure at the end of this will be like you got us. You got us good, buddy. Failed it And it would only get worse Worse that's the word he chose not it becomes more overt it only gets worse Yeah Gimli is the Jar Jar Binks of the trilogy unintentionally annoying is all we're however gets worse in the film to come Gimli is Jar Jar Binks He's He's the annoying everyone knows Gimli's the annoying one because he smelled the poop Nobody wants your opinion piss off That is harsh man, that's harsh. I guess this guy is the annoying character in youtube, you know He's he's eroded my filter. There's a point. I just I can't I just say it comes to my fucking head. It's like no Fuck off There's even an emotional death scene, but how can anybody be emotionally invested without fuck ward blubbering in the background Oh What? His cousin Barlin The cousin that he is hyped up about he can't wait to meet and how that he'll give us a warm welcome as in, you know We will be greeted like family because well, they fucking like he is anyway Obviously by extension the fellowship will be greeted because well, they'll yeah No, no, no, he's blubbering again The crown jewel of the dwarf kingdom has been destroyed and ransacked and his Well-known respected friend He's saying that I can't feel sad during the sad scene because the annoying character is also sad Like what emotion is he supposed to feel Guys crying is gay No, no, it's not just that it's arwin was crying about Frodo, but she didn't know him And now gimli is crying over his cousin. Oh, but he's blubbering Oh I'll make you fucking mind up I'll pick your mind up It says I feared Shut the fuck up gimli See the same for you, bitch. It's not It's not like his entire like willed has come apart watered. Yeah You know Who do you think this is going to appeal to like why would you do this? So why would you be like he's ghibli's annoying? Why because he offers that they should go through moria instead of kahadras You're like, okay That doesn't really Have a through line at all and he's like also he cries when his whole family have been killed Okay Not following How dare he cry like what a nude That was funny as bill cosby mixing my girlfriend a drink at my next party Orlando bloom is perfect to everything. He's the ray of this trilogy, but gets worse and more boring in the films to come There are times when the cgi are awful That's that then. Orlando bloom is the ray of this trilogy. Okay. I I don't want to yeah We could just move on. It's like a fight. There was no argument Like here, but others when they're great like here the fight scenes look amazing. Don't get me wrong, but they don't mean anything There's no investment in that for What just the fight scenes suck because there's no meaning like we already know that none of them are gonna die Unless they do and that they're not really fighting for anything other than the things they fight for Yeah, yeah Yeah, let's go Yes, I specifically want Frodo to die. I just don't care if he does I don't care about any of you said that a hundred fucking times on every bloody character. I don't care I don't care. All he's demonstrated is he has no idea what characterization any of them have actually received outside of vaguely on barmair What's crazy, too, though, is that Frodo could die and that the story could continue He's not integral to it. The ring is the integral element Like as we saw sam took the ring when he thought he was dead He legitimately keeps forgetting that the ring exists and that that's the point of the film Oh, no, he knows remember. It's all about jewelry. That's the only thing I don't write All this even when they fake out his death for the manyth time sam sounds disappointed He's alive. Dammit. Where's my point? That was disappointment Okay, yeah He's seen something else That's apparently nobody acts well in this film. So I think he is rolling like you can't say that. Oh, he sounds disappointed. What the fuck? Well, I think if you like hate something you're not going to be registering Like what's happening as is Instead, you'll have a spin in your head sort of thing Like a filter. Yeah Things are amazing, but that's all I can really stomach from this one I wish this had happened What do you mean we get me out of there? She's What do you mean we? You're in a very small minority. He knows this too. The intro was all about how he's in a minority about this Like an army of one Well him and Doug Walker. Yeah I'm pretty sure Doug Walker loves love the race I mean, I'd be surprised if he was I'm sure Doug Walker watch this. He'd be appalled at how he's using his arguments Doug, that's what you said in the video There we go guys That was fellowship for the right. We did it Here we go Oh, yes, good This is time code that we can go over without having to pull This is excellent I don't know about that though. I don't know if we're not gonna pause I'm always nice to this house He already watched the movies. You already knew those for you But I can't carry you Like the joke is oh god It's all right. Isn't that gay guys. That's kind of gay super gay guys that looks so gay It's super gay. Their bodies were touching. Did you see that their bodies literally touch? Like he's so disappointed. It's clearly his gay. You're like Yeah, that was called a disappointment and anger and for no reason For no reason And you look satisfied No reason Pretty gay dude This this whole thing is gay Knocking on doors pretty gay bro. Are you Mr. Bull? Oh my god. Look at these two Is that like is that like a small cowboy hat she's What is his hat what is it's like what's going on there? It does look like a policewoman's hat, but it's not it's it's like being sat on and it's kind of like bent up Yeah, these hats are throwing me Yeah We'd like to ask you some questions Is it okay if we can come in please? What exactly is this all about? You want to watch their chase, sir? What? That's it. Is it too sir? Can we not give her a mic? I was going to say I'm going to have to tune it up for her I guess You can see his mic's pink Attached to his hoodie, but he couldn't give her a one just a Whatever yes, and yeah, yeah, I don't like Lord of the Rings You mean you don't like the Hobbit? No, I don't like Lord of the Rings You mean there are no eight films or no 80s. No the Peter Jackson film. I can't stand them. They're terrible movies You're wrong What the police to say it do it Let kill him do it kill he has to be stopped Don't do it extra legal shit do it. Yeah, just arrest him please get out. Hey, thank goodness The reviewer changed guys They don't even show the window how dumb is that? I'm fine. I'm fine with this. Just keep killing time I was gonna say more of this please less of a Lord of the Rings arguments This police brutality Oh Rob doesn't like Lord of the Rings What It was a great shot. Um, it was a great shot of the wall It was a great shot of a random wall while she was leaving through do a kid like the tiny quarter of killing That was the best part of the video either Oh jeez Oh my god, that was legit. That was real. Yeah No, that's bad now You're lacking style is as bad these days. I call this type. Oh my god. This is glorious guys. We're making so much progress. This is great Yeah, no, I'm in joy. I know I'm now. I'm happy We're gonna go left All right, that's the joke, right? Oh Now you only have to defeat one of them because Can he do it? Is he gonna like Review the film out here or something? Yeah, I think so If you're still with me this far, it's now time to get my thoughts on the two towers. Oh, no Wait, wait, so he's gonna shoot out the two towers with bad audio in the middle. Yeah. No He's his chain. His chain is rubbing up against the lapel mix We're all very sad about this At least uh, all three films were impressively shot simultaneously All being filmed between October the 11th 1999 and December the 22nd 2000 However, the now famous special effects of golem began as early as 1998 since the wetter workshop Sorry, I just really can't take that name very seriously at all. It's very gay, isn't it? Very gay. Such a such a weird criticism. Yeah, sorry Like here he's really going out to show how masculine he is like, okay, bro I don't like silly names like he He really is insecure about sexuality. Can I remind you guys there's a spell at Harry Potter called stupefy I mean if we're talking about silly names, I don't know Had a convinced new line that they could actually create these effects Andy circus was on set though The same shots were filmed again without him as well and provided the creatures movements and voice and despite Origin only one in the character to be completely CGI nothing more Jackson loved circus's performance so much He used some of his movements as well The actors also gave a much better performance when Andy was physically in the frame with them as opposed to the empty ones And when it came to animating golem, it took I mean this is this seems to just be like I'm assuming this is a compliment to the films This this yeah, this is this is what we call a movie review. All right. Cool. Cool Took around four hours per frame to render you guys got a lot of patience Speak quickly But if you think that's bad tree beard took some time between 28 and 48 hours per frame to render And it wasn't even worth it for that one I mean golem looks incredible and I doubt anyone could ever dispute Oh only like only like one of the most interesting characters in lore ever, but yeah No, it wasn't worth it. Also tree beard looks pretty damn good. Like, I don't know. Yeah, it's yeah, whatever Like the king of the fucking trees Fuck it. I guess There's a lot of shots where you look so fake. It's embarrassing. He's he's a living tree It's gonna be hard not to look, you know, not real I don't know. No, he he doesn't look like a real living tree. That's the problem Oh, well, yeah, yeah, I should clarify trees are living. What I meant is like a fucking, you know, humanoid tree All right, so what's uh, what's his uh, what's his first? I mean, yeah, this is fine. Like whether or not tree beard looks perfect. I'm just like, yeah, okay Just a lot of time wasted The two towers was released on December the 18th, 2002 and though not successful as the first one Oh, of course, it was incredibly well received and in 64.2 million dollars just in this opening weekend and against the budget At just 94 million the movie earned a truly staggering worldwide total of 926 million 47,000 Wow By today's by today's standards that like with inflation that beats most like I was gonna say actually it'd be interesting to know how much that would be now But it'd be pushing into like what? One and a half billion probably. Yeah, probably probably. Yeah $111 making it the highest grossing film of 2002 The battle at home is deep has been named one of the greatest screen battles in movie history It is a weekly named Gollum the third best CGI character ever it was nominated for a significant So when you say greatest CGI character, is that a reference to the fidelity of the the graphical nature of it or the character itself? like He's just annoyed because he doesn't Look on one hand, right? Like how good I'm like, I'm like done. I'm done trying to understand a lot He does not like him. So it's dumb. It's probably gay Um So all I'd say is gollum still looks really good today And uh, I just don't know it won't be able to last forever, of course like CGI ages But like it's it's pretty fucking impressive as for one of the best CGI characters Yeah, I'd be curious to know what beats out gollum. His character is pretty strong Well, it's the thing there's a lot But um, I mean gollum's up there man. Gollum is up there Caesar Yeah Visual effects and best sound editing it went on to win BAFTAs for best costume design Best special visual effects an orange film of the year. The fuck is that best film starring a ginger Does that comfort you the two towers continued its accolades by winning an empire award for best picture a grammy for Howard shore's musical score a hugo award for best dramatic presentation an mtv movie award They're all dumb for doing it. I'm happy when all of these awards. Yeah, me too Well-deserved performance for gollum and three satin awards for best fantasy film best costume and best supporting actor and the famous line Was voted by the AFI is the 85th greatest movie quotes of all time. It must have called us Now this one is a lot better than the first one All right I didn't say this I didn't say this when we were all saying which was our favorite But two towers is my favorite. I think that I think it like it's it's a kind of like a I always sort of like the middle point the low point of stories like I wouldn't fall in love with any of the three honestly If I'm back on a thing Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm not not to say that I would compare it's like a very different story structure I'm sure but yeah well That that's kind of the vibe I I get with it myself And by being my favorite in the uh in the uh original trilogy Still sucks, but it's a lot better again beginning with the positives the scenes with gollum I was actually really invested in so we have one half of the story being sam and frodo being led to mortal by gollum Despite sam not wanting to share his hot piece of arse Elijah would with anybody else During their journey gollum grows to love frodo just as a friend You don't understand but then gollum feels betrayed by him So at the end he reverts back to being a manipulative little fuckhead and wants to screw them over Well, that story is going on you get the other boring characters walking around and oh my god Just just take it just just a much less interesting story in my mind I'll get on to that for the stuff with sam frodo and gollum. I really enjoyed I was actually more annoyed when it come back to the other characters because I how much Boring Yeah, if he describes helms deep was boring, we're gonna have to end this dream. Okay Like that's the rohan the rohan part is the most one of the most interesting parts of the whole series for me. It's fucking great It's actually character development here really good character development too This actually for the first time in the series had me wanting to see where this was going I do not think that would be your fate Obviously having gollum tagging along causes friction between the two which they both pull off really well and have tremendous chemistry Elijah Wood's acting is vastly improved Although Like You know, you guys know right that these films are just filmed back to back, right? They didn't just like Yeah, I was just I was just going to say that it's not like he showed up One day it was just like oh, we're filming the second one. I guess I will act differently now Well, yeah, he wouldn't even that they were done out of order like necessarily they had to be No guys, he said in his fucking intro to this two tower segment He said that the films were shot in one like for several years, right? Well, he he must assume they shot it all chronologically and you know Frodo Well, Elijah just got better and better. That's that's that's it Yeah, it's just weird the differentiate way. We know full well that it's Yeah, how it was made. It's it's it's not like it's not like they were like shit Elijah needs acting the he doesn't acting skills or acting teacher. That's uh, let's draft someone in we know that's not the case but whatever I would argue what happens to his character though is a thousand times more interesting in this one Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, you know and and sam's character And yeah, oh, yeah And he is right the inclusion of gollum is what causes Well is what develops it. It you know, otherwise it would just be them two just, you know Yeah, well, yeah, they're just being doing gay stuff. Yeah That'd be boring fun that delivery was terrible too. Does this really look like a face you're going to be intimidated by You are you are never supposed to be intimidated by Frodo That's never supposed to happen. This is this is him trying to intimidate gollum. It's really the sting that's doing it. All right It's not really him And at the end of two towers like when he does the thing to sam like it's it's tragic Like when he like at this point, it's like what he's just trying his best to not fuck up What at the end? Yeah, this is a game. This is a game face. He's got on. Yeah Yeah, but at the end he's just like What are you doing sam? Like it's so different. Like yeah when it happens in the end. Yeah, that's right. It's it's like a Falling of the character. Yeah It's like poetry. It works. Yeah, it does indeed He did this to defend an innocent and in the end of it. He's doing it when an innocent is trying to defend him Yeah, well it and it just shows that the ring is taking us tall on on Frodo. It is corrupting him. It is poison in his mind, but Nah, he's gay Nah gay moving on This is a heated gay thing, you know sexual tension Okay Frodo, okay. Oh, I'm scared loving those microphone noises the Okay, he's got his chain But the pacing and all of these scenes are actually tremendous and yes golem is fantastic as well Especially with the split personality stuff the scenery still looks amazing, but it's starting to get old It's like this is now just becoming nine What it's getting old Oh Rohan does not look like Rivendell does not look like the Shire does not look like Lothlorien does not look like more Almost every landscape too is different from the yeah, they're trying. They're doing that on purpose It's to make the wheel feel enormous About the landscape shots and how they just fucking, you know, just sucking New Zealand's dick, but then now it's getting boring And uh, it's probably gay. The land is gay Commercial for New Zealand holidays. We get it. You have a helicopter. Yeah, this is how you advertise New Zealand holidays You show a mind getting flooded What the fuck Yeah, well though, I there's a good deal of On here and the miniature yeah miniature elements. It's a whole combo of movie magic and it's wonderful. Yeah Yeah The helicopter is like the least important part of this fucking picture right now Yeah, appreciate it Just be like on a table and yeah, we just have a camera. Well, yeah, like a little bloke just standing with a camera That's that's all they needed, but it's not always helicopters That can do landscape shots. How about you focus on the goddamn script more instead? Stop showing me amazing shots and criticizing them for no reason A bit of modal just then I was like, so which bit of New Zealand's that? Yeah, exactly enough of these landscape shots, dude too much New Zealand. I'm already already sold on New Zealand Yeah There's a sequence with Saruman basically slaughtered as an entire village and to its credit. It's done quite well I mean, I still feel no emotional investment to the story or the characters well shot edited and directed White people attacking other innocent white people Not evil, but but like this is what I mean. There's no substance in his review He's like so this scene is good. Why because it's well shot. I guess I don't care about anything else Okay, his his problem his problem his problem now is this is a good sequence. Just he's not invested So it feels like it's again, he's never gonna be but like even if you're not invested You should be able to identify what's being attempted what it is literally the words Yeah, what it is that is stopping you from being able to achieve a state of investment. Yeah, there must be Yeah, he's not even seeing that. Yeah. Yeah, I agree But like I just I just don't like the stuff that he likes is always very service level He's just like, I don't know. I guess I like this good. He was selfish and then he's not selfish The the the mud person was cool um, this this place for me it was For me I had character, but we're not gonna Well, we're not gonna extrapolate and explain why or anything. I'll show it. We're just gonna Have one or two Well sound bites of him saying something this scene is good because It's an action scene and you can make out what's happening. You're like, okay Well, all right Others might feel more for it and it's done. Wow This further proves to be a problem though And we're supposed to be mourning the death of another secondary character We just don't give a shit because we spent so little time with them anyway No You get all of the information you need to understand why this is meaningful Theron's been poisoned for a significant portion of time At this and it's cost him his his his line his only son is now dead Yeah, he's been out of the fucking works Yeah, and he said no father should bury their children I think that could be that that's quite understandable even if you're not a father, you know Even if you don't have very effective and you can understand why that is heartbreaking And just in lord of the rings style every time we get a new character We immediately get their foundation Theodon's is he feels inadequate compared to his his forebears Right. It's again. This is character establishment and not Not a moment when you're yeah, he thinks this is the payoff like this is this is what we you're you're not you're not expected to feel this Just you're supposed to Understand that this is his mindset Yeah And it all comes uh Too fruition in the third film on his on his dying breath. He's gonna he's going to meet his fathers without shame It's proud I love Theodon by the way. He's awesome, but loads of the characters are too. So that's where we're at Like that speech fell deeds awake that that line is just so cool like He he he has a lot of cool speeches. I'm just gonna say In fact, the film is so memorable and for the record. Yes, I watched him alone with my full attention And I still couldn't recall much the next day. I had to look up who died considering there was so oh my god I had to look up who died I I really don't think he watched the film. I really don't know I've never I have never heard that criticism of a movie before I had to look up who died God damn Such a vital part of the story They weren't mentioned in the wikipedia plot entry and how to go to google yet in the movie is treated like this huge dramatic plot point We're supposed to make notes while you're watching the movie Write the character's names down. It's ought to be like dude So memory is a thing, okay Bring a notepad And remember scene like when he comes back to his senses He's asking for his son like you can put those sequence of scenes together, right? Like I don't think you watch the movie like I really I really don't Yeah, like where's my son like he he says that right He looks for his son. I mean he's it's very focused on it. Um, it's very clear I don't understand how he missed Who who it is the is he just talking specifically about his name is theodred, right? Yeah, yeah, but you don't need to know his name. It's not important You just need to know that he is Yeah And if you have some yeah I think it's the the acting of theodens after so good like I felt something when he cried And I just I watched it so many times it still Still gets me, you know, I felt nothing I felt nothing for no reason No fucking reason No fucking reason The battle scene yes again, it's amazing and tops the first one the effects and sheer choreography that went behind it The cinematography it's astounding, but it means nothing because I feel nothing for these characters It means nothing because I feel nothing Yeah, he said this like what eight times now the a scene just is nothing because he doesn't care about anybody in them Wait, are we counting the drinking game of this? Yeah, are we just counting the two towers part or are we counting the the fellowship's current part also Jesus Christ Why would you care about helms deep? Can you even name a character in that scene? like what Jar Jar Bakes over here Jar Jar annoying punchable face, uh ray and who's the who's the guy with the sword Aaron or something Half the cast is behind this one fucking half of the cast is behind the field needs a wake That was a thing. Um, you know the uh one of the euroherum who Accidentally shoots the first or a and he's the one without the eye or yet. He has a missing eye Oh, no, no, it's a different. I think those are two different people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but the row I think the guy who only had one uh one eye, um, and that was real. It wasn't like a prospect Well, it was a makeup right thing. I think he was passed away as well. Um, I swear recently So I I know I know it's morbid. I just uh, this number figures remember reading recently Still this is the major issue I have Somebody in chat said what if what if this guy will compare the battle of hogwarts and No, stay away from Harold I would lose my shit if he actually does that Yeah, I have all of these well planned. I just don't care you've had two films and you still can't get me to care What are you doing here sick? This isn't criticism. I personally don't like it. What is your problem? Like what what did he think like when he wrote this he was like, yes The audience will be convinced by my grand argument of I didn't care See that as a conclusion, but he doesn't even build up as to why he doesn't like I think you brought it up Right, like he doesn't even break down Like what he thinks he thinks that his argument is Frodo is, you know, characterless Gimli is annoying. Um Well, what does he say about Aragorn? Has he actually said anything about Aragorn? So it's it is just that he doesn't like the characters. That's it. It's not that It's not that they're bad and it's not that the movie doesn't set you up to feel investment for them It's just that he personally does not like them Yeah, because legolas is uh ray and gimli is the annoying one um Elijah wood can't act samwise has a punchable face and is gay uh, mary and pipin Uh, you know Yeah, I think there's nobody's uh, um I don't think he said anything really about Aragorn and then obviously Gandalf is just uh close-up shots of his nose And you can see his nostrils, which is that's bad. Okay. That is bad That was you can't get me invested Why should I welcome you and the battle scene has caused the looks it also outstays its welcome and ends up dragging so No, no, it was actually of all the fights I think that it was the one that was the most perfectly like perfectly paced and could not possibly have been shorter I I honestly think I could have gone for it being longer. I'll be honest with you. I fucking love It could not possibly have been shorter I'll go on don't no no no go ahead. I'm just repeating the same three I I was gonna say, did you remember how much there's so much hype? Well, I don't want to call it's not hype But there's there's so much dread and ominous about the about the battle and how legless and Aragorn have that a little like Well, that little the little spat and how like nobody's gonna live throughout the well through the night And then Gandalf says, you know You know at a break of dawn look to the east because kind of like a fucking You know guardian angel that he fucking is he comes down and he brings the light and he well He banishes the darkness or the evil and yeah, it takes the whole fucking night because guess what it's a fucking siege It doesn't fucking just go over in one minute. It's not If anything if anything in if anything in real life the siege would have lasted weeks Like weeks like they the orachi army would not have moved in on the wall like as their first move But like they're gonna starve them out. Yeah. Yeah, like so the fact that this fight is only like In like what like 20 minutes of the of the runtime or whatever like that's not really like Significant at that long for this kind of the also this the stakes Altering throughout the fight in the helms deep and polano fields. They both do it where um, it's like we're kind of we're winning I think we're oh god, we're losing. We're losing really. Oh, no. No, we're coming back We come back. Oh down we go again and then both of them end with a oh, thank fuck. We did it Yeah, yeah, and I mean that that is sort of what makes it like empire is that they do lose this fight But that they get out alive and that that's that's uh There's just so much build up towards this and and again, like, you know, yeah, you we go you could say that Yeah, they could stay well They could have like lay siege for weeks on end and just starve them out But again, what did our go and say they are here to erase the world of men I don't I don't I don't think you're a kind of patient I'm just gonna say, you know, you know, I mean it is it is fantasy like Every entry into this saga needs to be three hours Jackson It really doesn't the character of worm tongue I actually thought was awesome. He looked great and had a really ominous onscreen presence Again, it's about like so superficial shit Looks cool. Like please do more of this. I beg you Please tell me about Grima's character. Please felt could have easily made him the main antagonist But I'll explain previously all of the interesting character could have easily have made him the main antagonist What What it does hit that mean they could not have easily made him the main He's why he's sorrowed now You want to literally rewrite the story because you like this character so much and also, yeah I was gonna say Brad or if yeah, he is the ultimate slimy character Brilliant. Yeah, he's perfectly cast. Um, there's more to it than just him having fucking greasy hair. You motherfucking Like I I yeah, you could easily make him our main antagonist of our film and that would work If that's what he's saying then I guess I agree. Well, let's roll him back. We're gonna roll him back So much not every entry into this saga needs to be three hours Jackson It really doesn't the character of worm tongue. I actually thought was awesome He looked great and had a really ominous onscreen presence that felt could have easily made him the main antagonist But I'll explain previously all of the interesting characters are given side roles and just disappear into the abyss Yeah, he is literally arguing that they should have Re rewritten the story did you catch he said all of the interesting characters like don't get characters And it's just like dude You I don't even know how you function anymore like you're determining factor for good character is cool looking How does how is like cream a worm tongue cool looking? It is a hundred percent aesthetic. Yes Oh, look at that another another black goblin orc in the street. Oh, yeah, definitely black Right here. This character looks fucking amazing and then he speaks Why can't we have some meat? Imagine if they did that with Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you So it's all why are we here? What do you want from orc? Do you where you wanted fucking posh british? Articulate accent. What the fuck off like As as a canadian that accent sounds identical to this movie reviewers accent. I can't tell I like I like how every Orc and uruka up to this point have had like monster voices that he's like, look at this one stupid monster voice Okay Like yeah, the uruks Yeah, I'm pretty sure like all of them have like all of them have really deep voices in comparison to orcs like orcs like And then orcs and orcs like Fuck the fuck if I know Darth Vader's voice find the passengers of this vessel. I want them alive. Oh wait So he just compared random orc 3 to Darth Vader Yep, okay Okay Well ando blooms character really goes overboard with being a fucking god here He really has no characterizations other than being perfect to everything and the amazing thing is it gets worse in the next film Why is there even a struggle just give him the ring he'll destroy everyone with a Did he miss the scene where legolash is that he thinks this is a like no hope situation Like the yeah, yes legolash personally Comes through this unscathed but the point of this battle is not for Legolash to survive it like they still fail to to keep the keep like they lose it And legolash out of the three of them is like the in in tune with middle earth character. He's much more Like like The attributes of legolash are supposed to be representative of I imagine of elves as a whole Like he's always got something uh partially mystical to comment on in in the Situation he's definitely a fighter for good. His relationship with gimley gets significantly developed in this one But I mean the three film structure is establish relationship Develop relationship and then pay it off with that one wonderful moment in return of the king All a nice through line be an aragorn This way I mean like the three of them together. I wouldn't argue that they're particularly complex and well traveled It's all it's all very understandable and straightforward and endearing. I just I don't like being like us just nothing He's just he's just godlike person. We're like, hmm Yeah, not just that like legolas as like fucking thousands of years of experience ahead of all of them like in combat he like Yeah, someone just said in chat legolas is a 3 000 year old warrior elf He has to be a battle otherwise. What do you make fucking sense? Yeah, if he was constantly getting bailed out by the superior hobbits. Hmm. Yeah If you need a samurai, yeah, yeah True if you need a samwise with his fucking frying pan to save him Simple flick and still I'm like he's modeling for a fucking magazine Let's hope it lasts the night Hey, I mean I mean cast in the land of bloom to be the the pretty boy elf, uh Makes sense to me. Yeah Also, I know that um, I know that aragon was uh, gonna be I forget the actor But it was gonna be an old director at first But then they were like, uh, no he actually well it does sort of work because yeah, he is do a day and he's not He's like more 83 or something like that again. I can't remember but One of the biggest comments I'd have for the whole production is whoever the casting director is I love you. You casted lord of the rings like pretty much pitch perfectly Yeah, there's there's almost not a single character that doesn't fit like one of the earliest descriptions like almost perfectly Oh, yeah, it's biased to these movies like everyone makes fun of But yeah, they're okay with this Why do you think they're the same? That's real. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. That's that actually happened. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you go more with some broke his toe kicking that for real because you thought you He thought it was a prop but it was actually a real well It was made of steel or iron or other. Yeah, he fucking broke his foot. That is the genuine reaction But let's pretend that's not true. Let's pretend for a second that that is, you know, uh, it wasn't a real reaction How is what what what Viggo Mortensen does they're the same as no No Yeah, it's not it's not After spending most of the film trying to fucking rescue mary and pippin from certain death They find well, they believe they find on a pile of scorched bodies of orcs And it's like as gimley says we failed we failed them. Yeah. Yeah, it is Again, well, we know that it's not true But we know but but we can see for their for the characters Believe it or not. They're actual characters in this film What a highlight chat is very frustrated as are we this Liam Kennedy just posted kill That's all it says. It's just kill kill It's okay chat chill out. This is but yeah, he's he's so very very very wrong But my lord of the rings does it now fantastic masterpiece two towers. I'd rather be How to compare shit. Yeah, and people often say, you know why Lord of the Rings is a masterpiece because of that moment where Aragon said That's why like he keeps comparing stuff that That is not comparable at all. Like the contexts are different. Like he can't even establish Why he's using Darth Vader as a comparison. He can't even lay the foundation for that and he keeps using Nostalgia Critic as a crutch like So I could people this aspect of this movie even though the contexts are wildly different like Like I I don't I don't get it. It's like Oh my god, the end is to watch this Are you mad? I think the problem with the films is it's cool that so many people love them It really is and I truly wish I could enjoy them, but I find them all completely forgettable all these stupid names It's impossible to remember Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't don't don't for a second Pick on names in fucking Lord of the Rings when you fucking suck the dick of harry potter. Don't Don't even watch the movie. It's that forgettable to me. I'm obviously not the only one the movie Why would I care that the guy who says he can't even remember like plot points can't remember character names I mean like well that makes sense. Of course, you don't remember anything. You don't remember anything Yeah, and he didn't read the books. It's hard to believe he read all of the books and watched the films He has the attention span to get for the books He literally opens up by showing us Gandalf's death again, assuming the audience didn't give a shit to him. No, this is different It's different. It's Gandalf's POV. That's the point It's different. We we only see the first time like him fall, but we see what happens After the fucking fall No, Greg. It's the same Because he said so It's not like the battle of Hogwarts It's not, you know heterosexual like the battle of Hogwarts Remember the first film either. It only came out a year later And he's gonna go watch the second Lord of the Rings movie before the first one They did speaking of which yeah, Gandalf's back. So, uh, what was that on his trailers? A film with such fake emotional stakes Gandalf will sacrifice himself for his friends only to somehow come back to life Making it not really a sacrifice Yeah, yeah, fuck you Gandalf. He's not the same, uh, entity when he returns He makes that very clear as well as that his time is to be spent to finish his his job, which is to essentially Act in favor of the light on Middle Earth. It is I'll completely agree. It's very, uh Carefully thin that they're trying to avoid addressing That there's a higher power and where exactly wizards get their That the power from I would say, but uh, there's enough to understand the events Also screen junkies how embarrassing I mean, I got his screen junkies and nostalgia critic and uh, I don't know Non-gay media. That's his consumption It's the ultimate trifactor Now they're fucking cop out. He dies just to come back. And yes, I know what happened in the books That just means the books were a cop out too. Sucker dick. Oh my god Okay, it's it's not like a character has ever had a death and rebirth moment in a story also also also just just um I know I know we don't want to talk about it. But uh, yeah Harry Potter comes back from from death too Yeah, but that's okay He literally comes back to life He literally gets killed that comes back to life. But in that it makes sense and that it's it's totally explained and you know, it's flawless. Yeah No, but but he likes Harry Potter. So that's good Yeah Unless of course he hates that too, you know, there's a chance I doubt it though Well, well, there's no gay relationships He made it very clear Gandalf didn't know he was gonna come back This no in terms of what it meant. He didn't even understand. He didn't even understand what happened until like, uh Peregrine toke and what's his name? Doesn't he doesn't he say he's he's back. He is as Saruman was supposed to be like that's that's his position in the world now Yeah, yeah, because there's there's actually like three wizards. There's sour him on the way Gandalf the gray and then I can't remember the name And then two blue wizards, right? Oh, well, yeah, the brown the brown one the brown one. Yeah, right, I guess the bright gray brown blue blue Oh, yeah, I forgot about the two blues. Yeah, that's well, that's that's funny because Gandalf literally forgets their names too Yeah, he forgets his own fucking name. I'm very like Gandalf the gray Yeah, the point of though They're like they're basically like the angels of the universe. So they each like Yeah, yeah, they are the other servants of heaven in like in Tolkien's like, you know allegory for all of it Harry Potter and the half gay prince That is a lie We also see Gandalf actually falling or flying or whatever down. I thought we only saw a repeat Uh, I'm confused. What's happening? Oh my god, Cliff and we see what happened with some of the worst CGI known to mankind And I feel like You need to be more specific because it looks fucking fantastic and they carefully shot to not like focus in On what the the films come across as they know their strengths and they were fully aware that CGI ages That seems to be the case when you watch them Careful with a lot of the CGI creatures In fact, you know, if you want to talk about like the hobby that that's what that that's the failing of the hobby And so much is that it over uses the CGI versus using Again, what he even pointed out himself the like the amazing set designs and What the craftsmanship from where the workshops, you know, they they build so much of you know They all right, they didn't literally build like, you know, osculea for fucking, you know Ministeria for anything, but they did build sections of it for the actual stage or you know for the sound stage when they're filming on it Yeah, they knew their strengths and they were like, all right. Well, we can't build a literal battle log So we'll fucking CGI it and I understand being hyperbolic, but worst CGI of all time Okay. Yeah, yeah Yeah When when when he when he goes back to I wanted to like him I want to like him and then he says stuff like that You just like you know, he sounds like he wanted to dislike his palm as much as possible for your video Mystery of what happened? I mean, I don't think he should have ever came back at all But if he had to surely him just showing up later would have been a much more surprising twist Oh, it was just a dream. Not what? What do you wait? It was just a dream wait to reorder this right So what he just said was wouldn't it have been better if Gandalf had just appeared in vangorn instead of showing us this Because now we know it's like what do you mean? We don't know that he survived falling in freefall for what seemed like miles with a giant mythical dragon beast Like what do you know all all we learn is that he defeated it? That's all we learn. We don't even do we even get that because this is before we find that out Oh, wait. No. No. He does he does explain that to the no no so in in frodo's You know flash whatever whatever frodo's experiencing there We we can assume it's his imagination of what may have happened when you know The last shot is the balrog and gandalf about to fall into the water And then it's later that gandalf gives us the second half of that story if you will So he's saying that because they showed us this first half it ruins Gandalf showing up in fangorn because it's like, oh, yeah, we knew he'd do that. I guess It's like what are you talking about? The whole point of the fangorn seed is to make us think it's sarabad Also, um, somebody in discord just uh showed this uh A link for what happens when you google terrible CGI You get well, there's actually a shot of himaly in that. I don't know why that's not even cgi But one of them's harry potter that i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not collecting points on this But yeah, yeah amongst others you got the incredible hulk not the um not the latest marvel one the uh Just 2003 one or ever The scorpion king. Yeah, because the wrong everyone knows that way. Yeah Uh cats and sonic. Yep. They were particularly bad for films that came out like, you know, this decade but yeah Uh Oh jar jar binks I was enough. Yeah, um white dude from fucking uh from yeah from At the hobbit god my brain my brain's shredding now. I think I've got his name already Uh, yeah, azog you may know that's it. Yeah. Yeah, and then obviously yeah, and you got um, Wolverine's claws in uh, was that x-men origins? I think they were really bad and that went for some reason Oh, yeah, it's claws when he's he's clanking them. Yeah, they look fucking terrible And I don't know what happened when they made it but yeah Yeah, despite the fact that like in the first in the very first x-men film They look they looked fine and then like they somehow got worse. It's that's always like a mystery to me, but Oh, it is as someone said isn't that mummy 2 not scorpion king that is the mummy 2 but it is the scorpion king is is Oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, and then in the actual film the scorpion king. He's well, it's just the rock. It's not he doesn't he's not That's your prequel movie Yeah, I think they made a whole bunch of other ones that didn't have the rock in it as well Thank Oh, yeah, sorry, I'm gonna roll him back so you can hear his point out because it's so weird No, man kind and I feel like it takes away the mystery of what happened to him I mean, I don't think he should have ever came back at all But if he had to surely him just showing up later would have been a much more surprising twist Oh, it was just a dream not an excuse to still show us something we didn't need to see it's stupid So uh comments And now I have to address again the relationship between sam and frodo. Oh, no, I'm sorry Yeah, hopefully we'll be able to mostly just just let this play out Again, we we all reiterate that we do not agree with his criticism that these characters are too gay Nor would that be a problem. Yes, they were like Who is the assumption in this statement? It's like we don't agree with the criticism that they gay. It's like wait criticism No, the criticism that this is like a problem Yeah, yeah, yeah for the film. It isn't this is not a problem for the film in any way like, okay, let's say they're gay So what like it's like he's presenting it like it's a bad thing also Again an openly gay couple would have been awesome, but the fact that they deny it It's cringey to watch some of this stuff. I mean just look at their very first scene together What is it mr. Frodo? Come on Fellas is it gay to touch a shoulder if you put your hand on another man's shoulder gay You gotta be careful around this guy you you'd be like hey, man, do you like shake his hand? He's like, oh you're like what what What why don't you look at me like that just the way they look at each other the way they see each line you can't dispute this I just Nothing ever dampens your spirits clearly gay Oh, no, did I just come back to another gay track? Yep, too gay Sam stick clearly Clearly this is the part where he really complains about the gay. This is too much of the gay. Come on now And the worst is right at the end Frodo wouldn't have got far without Sam. I was being serious. So was I I feel really uncomfortable right now. What that's because you have an issue with perceived gay Guys Sam has saved Frodo's life several times at this point and he stood up for him and he's he's supported him And Frodo went to stab him relatively recently. So Frodo's like hey, you're kind of like the reason that we're here Honestly an experience like that would make us all a little gay Yeah, definitely Also, um, I do love the bit in Osculia where Frodo's about to put the ring on where in front of the ringwraves and the Sam does it like a proper rugby tackle Yeah, I know Entire Amir actually recognized as Sam like like when they're going like gardeners in In Hobbit out in the shower are pretty fucking awesome or something like that. He says that like Yeah, yeah, yeah, he goes who's he your bodyguard that he's like Gardeners are awesome fire basically says that and and this guy is saying that Sam is one of the worst characters in the trilogy Like I hope you just say that and I want to I really want to drill this home, right? So he's presenting us he keeps beginning these segments with being openly gay would be awesome And then he proceeds to say ew. Look at these gay references It's like what is I'm confused. What are you trying to tell me? Like is he actually advocating that we are told these characters are straight and yet they have many Moments in which you could interpret gay. This is bad because it's inconsistent with their sexuality Like I think he I think he only said like it would be great if there actually was a gay couple in there Because literally that is exactly what Doug Walker said But I don't think he understands why Doug Walker said that because he then he then follows it up by saying it's cringe Look at how cringe it is It's really weird He just copies Doug Walker without understanding why Doug Walker said it. It's consistent like That's the pattern Like his head Oh Some does get more of an actual underlying character and isn't just a sidekick anymore But good god is he annoying the one time he gets a character and he does nothing but whine and come The one time he gets a character What What He wasn't whining. He was distrustful of the creature that was talking to them. What the fuck Oh I want to remind this man Do you know what the first interaction they had with golem was golem trying to steal the ring slash kill them Yeah, like the point of the second film is in internal conflict among You know different tribes of men Among the fellowship among sam and frodo and like it's everybody's at conflict with each other like Yeah, he's gonna get a little whiny You know, I don't even What is he referencing specifically? I'd like to know what what is whiny about Whatever sam says because if you're one of the people who is like no golem's good man He's he's he's good sam stop being a dick to him. So maybe I could I could sort of see that but annoying And well also also in the context of the film like the audience is on sam's side in this like frodo is being too flippant with trusting golem and sam is being smart to distrust him because Even though it's not frodo's fault Or sam's fault that uh samigo ends up like turning on them. It was sam was right in the end to distrust him But by the way saying a character is annoying isn't really much to work with either because you can find anyone annoying or not annoying That's not substantive. It's like I like what is um What why what they are saying maybe is out of character or it's conflicting for the sake of it It's not actually informed by anything they feel like and then I would be like, okay. That's more interesting than I don't know They're annoying. It's like oh This is from the same guy who describes gimley as annoying by the way He's led us into a swamp. There are dead things Dead faces in the water. Is that not worth fucking pointing out? There are corpses in this swamp that we're traveling through It's about to say shut up There's dead bodies in the water. There's dead bodies in the water. Shut up Oh, that's actually um one little thing that I I do chuckle out is that yeah Sam says that he's led us into a swamp like when he's like halfway in the swamp Yeah, that's the way that we've pointed out before it's funny. It's like it's like sam Why do you have such grievances now? He's like, yeah, you've been in the swamp for what looks to be like fucking miles But yeah Shut the fuck up you pansy. Oh my god. You pansy. It's only No, I have no one to lick my bottle ever I guarantee you this man has never seen a dead body in his life. You were a pansy for being scared of dead bodies Bro, it's not even like a dead body like in a funeral. It's like a dead body dumped in a swamp like it's not It's like so You won't be shocked We got a badass over here. Oh, it's just a dead body, bro But then he also plays a clip What are you gay? See we make this joke right? It's like, ah, you're being hyperbolic parody It's like, okay. No, so what you just saw and I'm gonna rewind it to show you Yeah, we're on the topic of sam being annoying Frodo is slowly about to fall into a swamp filled with corpses For reasons and sam says Frodo and then this guy's commentary is Oh gay Just watch it happen I'd kick anymore, but good god, is he annoying the one time he gets a character and he does nothing but whine and complain It's a book He's led us into a swamp. There are dead things Dead faces the water shut the fuck up you pansy Frodo no, I'll have no one to lick my bottle later No Gay, I hate I hate this guy. I hate this just come on. You're like, okay gay, I guess God, I'm so uncomfortable Leave my boyfriend alone. He's cock his mind No, it's like he's it's not even like it's one thing to tease the gayness It's he's like teasing it is fine, but he's like he's going like He's going hard as it's going the whole way literally Inside of penis inside of whole jokes like Jesus Christ no subtlety to it. It almost feels pointless, but it's just like so Sam wants to cook the food. He's very well versed in cooking He uses a frying pan to hit people and he has all the pots and pans all over whenever they go around He's he's good with this shit. He's annoyed that golem is tearing into A rabbit in front of Frodo. It's not only to make him sick, but he's also fucking up the food That is why what happened there happened instead of just going this scene gay I just don't know what else to do with my life Why it's happening Seriously, there's a huge difference between being a protective friend and a bona fide stalker Penal fan and sure enough and does continue to Oh my god stalker companion It's like every shot of samwise is he's over the hill peaking He's known as the golem of the peaker Set for this line I don't believe you So random and such a pussy outbast Um, so it's golem trying to appeal that he can be trusted and sam says I don't believe you and shouts at him because he doesn't trust him I don't know why I have to explain this, but uh Because he didn't watch the movie. Okay Just maybe we'll just stop playing the scenes and be like there you go. That should help Oh, sorry. I forgot he doesn't like pussy the others just come across as boring Why does he have to why does he have to keep like every chance he gets? He's throws in a gay joke every really shit gay jokes Yeah, I think the the dissonance is like very apparent like what mauler pointed out like it's okay to be gay But he's like passively aggressively Shitting on being gay like it's time to stop To uh, to piggyback on what scorn in chat said, um, doesn't I think at one point They had and puts his hand on aragorn's shoulder Were they gay? Yeah, bro, I think they were gay. Yeah, that's yeah I mean, it would have been fine if they'd made them overtly gay in the film, but Doing that. Ugh disgusting. Yeah. Thank you for listening to my review I just that's it was extensive. I know Hucketypes with no other traits outside of that by the way What does mary always have the same expression on his face when he pushes this chin out as far as possible? It's like he's eating in class and has to hide some chocolate under his tongue to keep it from the teacher Frodo I'm married so you can tell us apart This is a high quality review Yeah This is like one of the parts that I actually chuckled a bit because of what he said not laughing at him like I mean, you know, it's good. We're not wasting time I'm the one with the chin I don't know why I said that And once again Frodo has nothing. He has all of these tremendous scenes Frodo has nothing Oh shut up. The whole movie is Frodo losing his shit. He's slowly getting more and more and more dragged down Yeah, and like how Frodo and Smeagol golem kind of mirror each other with the blue eyes I think that wasn't by accident. I think that was a decision by the director You you oh god I want Well, yeah, he learns Smeagol's history, which is easily going to become his own history. It's fucking like you gotta be careful Yeah, it's like his his eyes are the only thing left of him that are yeah Hobbit, so that's sort of the point. Yeah, that's the highlight. Yeah. Yeah, exactly It grounds you and it shows you that there is a connection between these three characters But greg he said it's nothing so it has nothing really happens Oh Oh, okay We see Smeagol and Shawn Aston grow as people in characters Frodo remains at the start line as a blank plank of wood. What do you mean? It's just wrong the padding in the killer is still a massive problem Like okay, I'm not saying that he's right. You could make a statement that is Frodo has no character and you could say that at this story point He could have done this, but he didn't show anything like but he doesn't even do that. Oh, do you mean like substantiate a claim? I agree. I mean I keep saying that but it's really frustrating. Like it's like oh my god, but At least the first time in EF I'm I'm actually like kind of mad That's the third time you said this I can tell you'll very angry the fact you have to repeat it Yeah It's the only thing that's keeping me awake at this point my my frustration blood boiling my rage Hell needs to wake Not for wrath or ruin like and for the world Fuck fucking hell So it doesn't make you quite as angry as the first one, but it's still a huge problem with false endings see my notes again Just right This is the second movie in the fucking trilogy False endings Yeah, let's have a look through let's go from the top I guess uh He's just got a quote So you got um These are no soldiers again hyping up the big climax all getting ready and our left of the film They're just talking and not building suspense Not talking about anything of worth even though he's highlighted that we're establishing our team don't have soldiers in them just farmers How is that not establishing suspense that we're gonna get fucking blitzed by urakay, but okay And also this is a Isn't this around the time where aragon decides that if he dies it's fine because he dies with his people Like and I shall die as one of them I should die as one of them that that's fucking nothing guys that that's a nothing burger Well, it's in reaction to legolas telling the audience. Yeah, we're gonna lose It's like no suspense boo Boo not to mention the gimli emphasizing that these aren't just mindless orcs. These are urakay Their armor's fake their shields are broad Well, you know guys Like I just love how there's infinite references to how he's wrong every time For even on the mic a little bit or oh my bad, and okay. Yeah, I like it. It's gay. We're very pro gay Oh This is a good sword wait what that's as bad as I don't like sand Ah, so this is that's when aragon is holding and swings around the kid's sword He's talking to and he says this is a good sword. That's apparently just like I don't like sand What the fuck Like that, I don't why does he keep doing this? I don't understand you need to connect them. You can't just say it You need to explain yourself Gimli still not funny Um You're wrong He's got should I describe it to you in quotations and that's it. It's just it's just the line You know what he'll probably shit on the toss me Yeah, and I'm gonna fucking explode and just I tell a bit he makes the the toss me references a like you know, toss me off reference. Oh, yeah, like Oh, yeah, sure. Is that a gay thing? Yeah, yeah, he's gonna do it. Yeah, like 6 000 percent. Yeah tossing someone off is like jerking them off. So Uh, come on. We can take him. It's a long way The ring drove your brother mad. Yeah, the movie was pretty bad Oh, that rhymes too It's like poetry. It's like poetry. It rhymes bell begins again I love how like these insights set us up for disappointment. I was gonna say we're gonna see some of this shit Yeah, I don't know why he shows his script. He really shouldn't it's really not helping him at all. Uh We can see his nose hairs. Fuck off Okay. Yep. You made that joke. Uh, you made that joke We're kind of But don't you know Oh, you know, Smiler you could you could just do jokes Dude, I found the ultimate burn. Yeah Oh god, the ultimate. So you got quote. It's like great stories, mr. Frodo The ones that really matter and quote you mean not like this one Fuck Oh Lord of the Rings will never recover Oh, no, Peter Jackson is like drying himself with 100 dollar bills. Oh, no I wonder if people ever asked to hear about our story. Unfortunately. Yes, they will damn dude. Just rolling out these burns Rapid fire with from the man himself like All the credits credits Jackson false climactic cock teases and pointless unnecessary talking about nothing Can you give me a citation just one? He's he's just ranting. Just a line. Just just a line At the one hour and 44 was that an example of just random talking? No, that was the point where Smigel, you're like research himself. Yeah, he thinks it's an example of like, oh just meaningless talking talking Uh, no, I thought that was just kind of like him just like telling the film by using the film Oh, one of his okay. Yeah, it could be I would rather assume it. Yeah Four minute mark we get this voice over narration about the powers of the ring And it still doesn't properly explain the powers of the fucking thing. What do you mean? What do you mean? What scene is that? What explaining the powers of the ring? I mean, so, I mean, this is genuine right now. So If someone asked me, you know, Mola, what are the powers of the ring? I'd be like, so if you put it on it can make you invisible, but it makes you like a beacon too sorrow on um Being around it Makes you like desperate to have it. It's like it's like a source of Intrigue power and desperation. You just desperately want it and it'll deteriorate you It'll almost as far as I can tell it can make you immortal But it'll essentially destroy you And if Sauron gets it back, then he can regain his full strength that that seems like is there anything else? Yeah I don't know like I don't I don't know what he's talking about really. Is he All right. Yeah, it rules them all right. It's the power to rule all Just saying it has the power to rule all doesn't explain the powers. No, so it makes him really powerful And he has control over every other ring bearer because he designed it that way As you don't need to explain how You don't need to explain how Well, hang on like you don't explain how magic works because it's magic like if he's talking about like how is it that a ring How is it one ring has more control over other rings also like the rules it's magic the magic rings I think it was a Yeah, it's okay. Go ahead. Smiler. Oh, I should say um The the very first scene or the very first introduction to the whole films What it's what it's our own doing is he's wielding the ring and he is mowing people down by swinging his mace like You don't need you don't need to know how that's happening You just need to know that that's what happens when you wear the ring That's the yeah, and of course the else is doing that so presumably it's Significant that this guy can do it and again The greatest leaders of the dwarves the elves and men have all been given rings And they're all deceived and corrupted by the main big old Fucking awesome ring Yeah, but there was another ring. Yeah, what was that? I don't understand what's hard to like that's all in the prologue though I don't even know what's going on What it is immortality, right? It lets you live forever hence golem, but it also sends you insect. What who would want that? That's what It doesn't give you well it didn't give golem immortality. You give him a just a naturally long lifespan That's what they say is unnaturally like extends his life. We don't I don't know that it gives you immortality Well, it's the same as bilbo. He's the old hobbit. Yeah, and yeah When he got the ring out, he aged immediately Yeah, yeah Well, he ages from when he left bag ends to rivendell. He's already aged significantly Yeah, and then by the end of the last uh, well the last couple of scenes But I like he just said he just said yeah, the ring makes you immortal But it also like turns you all horrible and shit. Why would you want that? It's like what Did you did you miss all of the three movies the ring? It's not a rational love No, you're that's the point is you you don't want it. You just think you do That's it's like meth Yeah, yes, it's like it's like any fucking destructive drug It's awesome when you're high, but it fucking kills you Yeah, you see He's got a mouth of a method all the way Like that's such a simple concept, but it's such a simple simple concept It's incredible to have someone be like what like they watch the three lord riggs films You're like, what do you think it's like they were shit? Why why would anyone want the ring? It's so shit It turns you into gold Like he likes last jedi. What does he think's happening to Kylo Ren in that film like? All of the development who would who would want that who would want the dark side if it makes you crazy and ugly But it gives you power Oh, it's deep because the film has this ring million But it will also send you fucking insane and crazy and you'll basically kill everyone. Damn insane and crazy Even kawans close to you. You lose your sanity lose your body You just become this demented deformed fucking creature that has no threat. Yeah, sign me up, mate. Sign me up Why would anyone fucking want this? I don't get it. It's a fucking film. Oh The ring wasn't designed for mortals to wear it though. Yeah It's just the idea that it's a Never supposed to have it. It was nothing Yeah, saro, saro never intended anyone else to wear it. He made it for himself Besides the The consequences of other people wearing it are just like well, fuck it, you know, you will yeah, you were meant to wear it Yeah, and also every other fucker that's not saron just turns invisible, right? It's it's not like everyone can use it and become like The fucking dynasty warris mode killing everyone. No, it's it's it's a trick But he's selling this like that's a big deal with the ring is that we want people to want it So we better give it attributes that are desirable. It's like, wait, what is this framing? That's not what it is That's not at all. What's happening in this story. What are you talking about? Fuck what the fuck? There's none of this The ring is stretchable All I have to explain what else it does This video I just wish he took off his chubby chain and fucking Oh, it turns you invisible and makes you immortal, but then it doesn't do anything else It tricks you into surrendering yourself to fucking sour I thought it was pretty clear when you just have characters It is in their hand and they stroke it saying my precious What do you think that exchange is right there? And if he's like, yeah, I don't know They're not getting anything out of it. So why that's that makes no sense. It's like they are satisfied They are content because that's the point of the ring It's to make you feel like this is what you want, but it's not Yeah, and as soon as it's gone the anxiety is is unbearable like you you saw it with bilbo You see it with golem pretty much. Well, yeah golem is Golem is like on like the worst come down ever God damn it Fuck's the point of being immortal if it doesn't give you any other fucking powers What's the point in being immortal if you don't have other powers? What? Uh because that is That would is definitely not something that people could ever desire. No Can you picture anybody on this planet desiring immortality? Not necessarily you can't die just that you live for as long as you you know, you do There's nothing that strikes you down naturally Also, also, I just I I gotta do it again Harry Potter, Voldemort, crates the Horcruxes to achieve immortality because if he split his soul into seven parts He couldn't be killed. No idiot. He has other powers. He desired other powers other powers. He can cast spells No, no, no, he decided immortality and that's what he did. So go Fuck Calm I'm gonna once once when when rags comes back I'm gonna ask him that question rags. What's the point of immortality if you don't have other powers and see what he says? See if he thinks that I'm I'm serious. I'd be curious. I'll try and sell it as though I'm serious Yeah The ring also, you know, it has a mind of a zone. Yeah, you know, it calls to you You know, it it literally falls off golem's finger at the right moment. So that it parts with him It's you know, it all right, it can't sprout legs But it can choose when he wants to well the idea is that saran is in it technically speaking, right? Like it's saran is manipulating you to do a specific thing while you have it It's a slow motion mode. We're just words coming out that aren't connected or furthering anything Jackson could have Frodo and Gandalf go out for lunch and he'd make that scene 12 minutes long And people would still claim it's intense story driven and has impeccable carry I mean, I'd watch it and I would actually listen to what the characters say and then I probably see you're fucking wrong Because they don't just go for lunch. They talk about something. Yeah, let me watch that scene first And then I will tell you what I think. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it. Mr. Venom Gimli really takes the annoying leon funny character in a hyperdrive everyone I've asked find some of these lines hilarious, but I found scenes in shinler's list funnier than this Oh, all right That's evil that that scene was funny. Well, that's all this is he's gonna say it's not funny and then we're gonna say it is funny done At least I'm gonna set it up by saying the joke is like I can't believe I'm gonna explain a joke. Oh my god Do it The joke is Legolas are striding along easily and he's just barely keeping up And he's he's cheering himself on. That's the fucking joke. You you fuck like not just that There's also a little bit of build up prior to that with Gimli kind of boasting the dwarves and natural sprinters over short distances Yeah, no, don't forget the shot the wonderful shot where Eric on Is kneeling and he he notices like where they're going next and then the camera moves up and we see legolas is there too They both sprint along the camera hangs and then he just falls down the hill at the background because he's trying to keep up Yeah, he just tosses himself off again because he just can't fucking be It's a lovely bit of it's the kind of shit you see in the coneto trilogy a lot where the you don't realize the camera is almost a character it's Working with you. Yeah, I'm gonna make you entertain. Yeah It's not just Gimli just going. Oh my god. I was dwarf. I have short legs. This is unfair inequality I feel bad that I am not as fast as my fellow People's you're like, okay. Yeah, who are also like have legs longer than my torso True you see so that bib comes after Thaoden says I think it's he says Thaoden not Aragorn is the Leader of Rohan or something like that. It was a very serious moment And it just cuts to give lady burps because he's not really paying attention. He's just eating But okay cut a burp out of cut is a burp funny. That's the question. I suppose Because all burps the same the answer is yes, it is yes Don't see many dwarf women And in fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance But they're often mistaken for dwarf men Come on very funny Oh, no We've got a film brain reference. All right Cry he's got the full ease. He would have he he was uh, this is Oh, what's what's the expression? He he he missed out on the boat with the uh, that guy with the glasses, uh, crew Oh, yeah, well, this is the thing you can tell this this right in this person is a product of that guy with the glasses I would say I don't I don't There I mean you could make the argument that uh, Gimli is the most absurd in this movie But there's two reasons for that one he has to be because it's this is the darkest of the three But also because it's the darkest it also just gives extra con contrast to the fact that he's being so goofy in such Serious situations, but I think that it's played off perfect because like it is it's just It's a burp. It's him cheering himself on It's him Saying dwarf women have beards like those are like very Hame jokes so tame Not just that but like whilst uh, Legolas is uh, very doubtful and uh Kind of like well, I won't call him a quitter, but you know, he kind of gives off the vibe. He wants to quit at times Um, Gimli, uh, no, he just he just stole us on, you know You know, he's a true warrior. You know, he just keeps going, you know, because that's what that's what he's going to do Yeah, I don't I don't know what else we can do other than we've explained the jokes There we go, I guess And it's not just the unfunny lines. It's the dialogue itself They're so alike in voice and appearance That they're often mistaken for dwarf men. I was just gonna say I love this exchange. It's awesome Yeah, I love this exchange. It's one of my favorite parts of the movie It's the beans Thanks for explaining that joke because you clearly think the audience are too fucking thick to get it So that was banter between Aragorn, Gimli and aon It's strengthening their relationship because those three go through different things Throughout this film and the next one See the fact that Aragorn was talking down and explaining it Aragorn whispered it So the the point is not just to explain the obvious that they have beards But by whispering it he's they're implying that it's an extremely sensitive subject to the fucking door people Not to mention that's the one aspect that I think naturally as an audience you'd be questioning. You're like wait So Gimli's like mainly beard. Do the women have beards? He goes it's the beards. Oh, but that's the thing They probably don't though. That's the thing. They probably don't and this is what I mean like both ways it could work So, yeah, it's like it doesn't matter even the point is that they're that they're just having a funny interaction with each other And it and it's just like it's a it is a great character moment for the three of them Just in case you get on and another point like I see it I only see purpose in Lord of the Rings So I'm like, why do you think that happened between those three? It's like well, who ends up telling aon that Aragorn has you know gone missing slash died. It's like, oh, yes, Gimli Yeah Yeah, so you gotta you gotta establish that, you know, they've got a connection Okay, well lots of things that should get awards don't get them. What can you say? We should just be thankful of things that do get them do What what Because there's a lot of films that like come out the same year that get overshadowed or well by other great films, but you know I mean at the end of the day Do you guys actually give a fuck about Oscars and shit? No, I try not to I get upset over them But then I remind myself it doesn't matter Like he's clutching these pills like that. Like, you know, there's some like, you know, really deep meaning behind it And like I know I've like referenced that, you know, they like they they invented awards for anti circus for this film But I don't fucking care. I don't fucking use that as evidence of this being a good or bad film Like I don't do it for any fucking yeah it's Everyone knows the fucking The Grammys and all that it's all just circle jerking each other Everyone knows that and besides the two characters and in short night. I'm pretty sure they were gay Like let's be honest. Yeah for no reason Pretty gay for no reason I like I like play you just said they're clutching his douche chain. Well, I can do Yeah, just just for people It's it's a chav chain. It's what chas wear in the uk They wed bling, you know, like chains around their necks And they you know, it's this it's this wannabe gangster. I'm not to say like he it's definitely that but It's the kind of people Well, it's it's when you see people wearing like track suits out as like kind of like, you know, like Um street wear or um kind of like, you know, well Well, they like casual wear and then they have like chains and all that and jewelry and like, you know, bling bling You know, like, you know, like they might have a golden chain or or shit Oh, like those people are like detestable honestly. I forgot to ask Greg christmas or halloween, which is better just choose Oh Oh halloween, I guess. Yes I forget. Wait, we get where you voted on this already, right? I said christmas. Yeah, it's okay. You can be wrong Hey, what are you? Chris Celebrate halloweeners celebrate we got another one I'm enjoying the moment. Okay. All right, let's move on We left none alive We piled the carcasses and burned Does anyone want to guess what his point's gonna be how this is bad? I'm just curious No, no for no, I'm just listening well like Like for no reason I don't understand what's happening in this scene. Like you're just talking you're talking and what? Like those are like one of the two things I can think of right now. Uh, what what else? I would take a guess that whilst, uh, Aragorn does his like kind of path finding where he tracks their um, well the tracks and all that I bet he's gonna go They show the scenes like, you know, well like interchangeably with mary and pip in uh fleeing the well all the orcs And he's just going to be like, we know they're alive Oh I mean, I'm assuming it's going to be about the selection. He just showed us so I don't know if it's like it's it's obviously there You can see the smoke or something like that. I don't know. Let's just let's enjoy it Chat chat also said I don't care. Oh, right. He doesn't care about this because yeah, actually that's probably it Oh, right. He's on his way back. He might be in time for them to the king No, no, well, well, I said I left none alive. We clearly meant they Wow Oh So just to make sure everyone got that his complaint is Aragorn said well, he said there are two hobbits Did you see two hobbits and then he says we left none alive and gimli's reaction is dead Like, yeah, very normal reaction very very very very normal reaction. In fact, he's upset the gimli clarified Dead because gimli's not actually concerned With making sure that's the case. He's just so fucking sad that they didn't make it in time Yeah, that's that's literally like that's a normal thing. Like that's the left side of his brain telling the right side of his brain This is the news No, gimli's just slow. He just needs things explained to this This is how I think a lot of people view my work where they're like Look at him. He's nitpicking to the point of Taking someone saying clarifying something as like bad exposition or something Like how could you make a complaint that makes you look like an asshole like How like he can't he can't even be compassionate enough to understand the significance of that line it's like Don't you get it? Yeah, like gimli is sad because his friends are dead It's kind of perfect that's kind of perfect. It's hard to choose sometimes Good They went on fucking vacation Dead we're dead dead. Wait a minute by not alive. You mean dead. Why are you even here gimli? Fuck you, but what do people defend this writing that family over there? He said fuck you to gimli like three or four. He really hates short people apparently I don't know what it is man. He hates short people and he hates gay people. Yeah, so any short gays out there. I'm sorry Oh, man Okay F in the chat for the five five and below gays For lions and then ripped their innards out and and set them on fire. Yeah lions could do that. Oh no At the family. Okay. That's the fucking same fucking thing if any other film had this writing So he's he's really blabbering this but he's just wrong. Oh my god. Yep. He's just wrong People would shit all over it and that's my problem if uviball wrote this if em like shamalan wrote this people would be all over it But because it's not a ball I like how he pretends that we've got this Worshiping situation with peter jackson when this is what made peter jackson like a household name He the motherfucker just said Made this you'd love it Will you we'd be criticized against this point if if it had been Oh, okay. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. I'm like slipping in and out of sanity. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, that's what I get it I get it Okay Because it's peter jackson praised as brilliant writing and that's what pisses me off people just For brilliant writing because it's brilliant writing you oh my god Also, it goes both ways man. You're saying we blindly love it. You're blindly hating it Yeah, exactly another point this mad mad episode of ethep Mola is wrong the frighteners made peter jackson a household name. No lord the rings made him in the household name There's no way people uh knew him Well The fucking case and point we can worry doesn't even know what frighteners is The people What makes someone like this is the argument I think was brought up with um howl from malcolm in the middle It's like did breaking bad make brian cranston a household name or did malcolm the middle? What do you guys think? Uh, uh, well, okay, I would I'm not sure honestly. I would say it's breaking bad I would say breaking bad was this was the thing Like but even then he wouldn't have even gotten there if it wasn't for malcolm the middle But yeah, I'd say breaking bad. It was just it's just what makes people very aware of the person And it's as far as I'm concerned peter jackson is lord the rings And I wouldn't I wouldn't want to take away that his other work is is either great or led to lord the rings And same for malcolm in the middle with with breaking bad. By the way, I've watched all this stuff I love all of this. It's all it's all awesome brian crans is an amazing actor, but um He starts appearing in all kinds of movies all over the place in big roles and people know his name after breaking bad That's what I would I would rather say that breaking bad certainly established him as a Actor who could do drama not just uh, well be howl because obviously when he got cast as a Walter white everyone was just like what howl from Yeah, I remember thinking that I was like seriously howl like he's gonna be in a drama. Okay I'll I'll give a shot. He's gonna be you know Well the guy who turns into tony montana like really like most will not refer to him as walter now It'll be brian cranston. It's just like he's that's who he is now. He's a fucking fantastic actor and same peter jackson Everyone's like yeah, peter jackson's behind a movie. Well that didn't last very long uh because He's attached his name to some stuff people like a lot of people aren't a fan of the king kong movie I think it's I like it. Uh, I'd have to rewatch it to really know what I Think about it fully but then the hobbit movies a lot of people pissed off of that a lot of lord the rings fans fucking hate the horrible movies I was looking at a thread about the 4k lord the rings and the top comment said if they come as a six film Package i'm not gonna buy them. I was like People just they want the lord the rings and uh, of course he's it's his name is attached to uh What's it called mortal engines? I know that That film did probably bad. I don't know what his involvement is on that one though Yeah, but now he was a producer. It's um They used his name to hype the film up like from the creator of lord the rings Yes, yes, they did yeah, and that that film is is shit and it's a well, yeah Yeah, I'm not gonna write about that film. It sucks. Anyway back to great arguments Yeah, lord the rings because it's peter jackson. They don't think for themselves. Oh, actually this line's a bit shit I can admit when there's bad writing in some of my favorite films where everyone else tries to justify this man, you can't even You don't you he doesn't even get he doesn't even show examples in this I don't have to justify why a character clarifying someone's death That they are very invested in it's something they would do. I don't know like I don't see what what is your argument It's like when it's like, you know comic well comedy lines. He just says it's not funny or whatever He's fucking full of him. He's full of it I'm alive dead I don't give a shit if it was a rhetorical question. It's a fucking stupid thing to fucking say So, yeah, this is a good sword. We're coming up. Here we go. Let's see it in all its glory All right, foreshadowing. This is a good sword. It's a good sword Okay, let me get this straight. Everyone shits on attack of the clones for this line. I don't like sound This is the exact same fucking line So he's telling him this is a good sword to bolster him. The kid is frightened This is this is like one of the most human moments in the whole film So these they're they've conscripted Fucking children. That's how desperate they are and he this king this goddamn king Sees a frightened child and he is he is Boosting his ego and giving him giving him confidence because nobody else there is like Fucking Aragorn just handed me when he was a good soul. This is why Aragorn is my favorite character Like Aragorn is the fucking man in this. He's pretty awesome. Yeah He's reassuring him or he's trying to anyway that yeah that that sword might well Well, when he when he has to use it in the moment It might save his life and then he talks to about his uh, because then he say like his father made it and then he says He says his name something something of something. I I I can't remember the exact line But yeah, yeah, it's good and it is not apparent the sound and I mean shit Which which Riddick films it where Riddick fucking spins around the blade and he's like always perfectly balanced Oh, no, that's what no, that's fucking Thanos in it. Yeah Yeah, that's that The point is it is it is not it isn't it is nothing to do with fucking I hate sign Like everyone knows what that line is about. Yeah, it's it's a dude of Anakin and his past living on a fucking desert You know, yeah, and contrasting it with her smooth silky skin. It's very romantic Yeah, are gone on the other hand, you know a very skilled swordsman, you know, if he picked up a sword I'm pretty sure I've taken his opinion like, you know, seriously, whether or not it's a good sword or not Well, that's part of like we don't even know if he's being honest The point is to give the kid hope to give the kid strength to give some the kid Yeah, fuck it. Yeah in such a desperate situation. It doesn't matter. It's like You either hold you either hold the sword and fight like a man or you're fucking dead, you know It doesn't matter does it part of what makes lord the rings what it is Like it doesn't just it's not like it's not everything is so grand So it all comes down to individuals working together like it's very important that we all I mean, I think that's a part of Aragorn's like speeches of king when at the end of the third one Okay, when Godzilla skates the obvious, that's a lot of fish That's a lot of fish you oh my oh my god, this this is a good sword is not the same as this No, there's a follow-up in that line He's citing this as nostalgia critic is the be all and end all of criticism He has said this is that's a lot of fish is a bad line And he's concluded that this line in lord the rings is just as bad and nostalgia critic didn't call it out That means nostalgia critic and everybody agrees with him Which is everybody because that seems to be how he views the world is wrong and hypocritical My spine is gonna bend in half on the cringe with appealing to fucking nostalgia critic I know he keeps coming up That's a lot of fish so I could have just as easily said That's a hat. That's a wall. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's shit. Right. That's a lot of fish. What a shit line Fucking I don't like sand. That's a shit line, right? But fucking This is a good shot. So what that's a tree I'd be really like it would be really curious to have him address the counts of that. He's doing it for the kid Like I just don't do what do you think he would take that in or you'd be like nah, that's bullshit He hasn't absorbed anything. He's got a fucking smooth brain going on. It's wow That's a brilliant brilliant brilliant. Fuck you fucking. Oh, no. This is a good coat. Is that a good line? It's like in the great stories. He's like taking he's like taking the scene literally. Oh, no That's what's happening. Like he's not understanding the context behind it. It's like well, yeah It's it's a very similar like misunderstanding to the to the subtle conversation between sourmone and Ganondorf Yeah, and then he felt him punched him right off the end of the tower, but yeah Yeah, we we we've touched on this a couple of times But he's uh, he's really awful with like Subtext of any kind even the simplest kinds of subtext. He's just like no, don't say it This only lines is absolutely literal Which is again something people say about my stuff and I'm just like, oh god, I hope you don't see this in my video Oh god, this is the worst thing ever The ones that really mattered you man He's this is the joke from his script where he's gonna he's gonna riff on sam's line in Like Not this one Oh, it's just like in the script Yeah, why did you show it? And the film can't even follow its own bullshit up to this point We've seen gimley do nothing but be the butt of everybody's jokes. Haha. He cuts the overalls the comic relief Well, I'm curious how he's gonna lead he's about to establish that this is contradicted, right? So let's see where he goes with this falls down hills. He's treated like a joke I would easily believe mary and pippin could take him in a fight and yet here he easily snaps the neck of an orc What's on the floor? He's complaining. He's complaining that the comic relief is not a total tool He okay, I want I want to really get this straight He's on the floor and he uses both of his arms to break a creature's neck This is impossible because he's on the floor He's why But why would that make it? You can break anyone's neck at any position if you get your arms on their head I mean, he's just assuming that like gimley does do slapstick like he falls down that little hill But like that's not that's not to establish him as an incompetent fighter He's fucking tired. He's been running for three days and nights We've already established he is a more than capable fighter However, we've also established that he cannot travel great distances on foot and like That's the first argument one is comic relief character shouldn't be good at fighting which is bizarre Second argument is how can you break someone's neck while you're on the floor? It's like well, his arms are around very easily. Yeah, like as he does in this clip. So I don't Both arguments worthless and then but then also the argument is how can you both be the comic relief and also? Capable or you're not die in this very specific situation Yeah, he said mary and pippin could probably take him on because of how comic relief. He is like your logic isn't resembling Yeah, yeah, because he thinks he doesn't understand what the language is actually telling us about the character On that we must weather such things as we have always done How can that be your acting that's awful and what's with the internet? So he's pissed off. I don't know what else to say He wants to help his friends And he's pissed off that the trees have decided to stay out of this shit because he knows how useful they would be Well Well, here's the thing. It's pretty gay That's close-ups again. It serves no purpose. Luckily it's one So once again The face fills up the screen because we need to get a full force of exactly what he's feeling We could do a like a cinematic venom bingo like I don't understand the face You know when your criticisms amount to too gay uh too many close-ups and no characters are in this it's like Feel like this is gonna be pretty easy for us. Also, hi rags Hello Oh, this is a proven dog face is back. Oh my goodness. You haven't really missed much It's been the same So based off of everything that we covered before I left I I suspected that it wouldn't actually improve Sure, right? It didn't It actually got worse if that's possible Hey, uh, uh rags the uh, the question Oh So, uh, wait, let me sorry. I forgot it Uh rags, what is like, what's the point of immortality if you don't have other powers? You know, I mean like what would be the point of it? Oh boy. Um Yeah, that's that's that yeah So dare I say it but immortality is a pathway to many other abilities that some would consider unnatural So he actually says in this video in relation to the rig Possibly giving people immortality says who would care if you don't get any more powers Wow, um It's amazing to get that Oh, uh, whoo So yeah, um, if There is a conversation to be had that I think it's interesting, you know, if you could be immortal would you? Uh Discussions about what would it mean to be immortal? Would you eventually would all emotions just eventually become dull? Would you stop finding joy in life? Would you get to that to that all these other questions you could talk about? But it's like, oh, if I can't fly or shoot lasers out of my eyes Then now I live forever really That sounds like it comes from someone who's living a really like shitty life and so they go. Oh, I could have this forever. Oh great One of the only ones at least our notice to be a problem. Oh except for this one How no showing us his nose has does not make him or is he outside? Oh, there was a skit. He got chased outside by the police because the police won't let him not like lord of the rings They shouldn't I'm clearly libertarian guy, but I gotta draw the line somewhere. Yeah, we need that in place Leave him alone. It continues the totally equal racist deck despite orcs even slaving away carry the hobbits Well, lucky we've addressed all that being bullshit Films are fucking much like it's predecessor it did not follow the books entirely considering the character of urkin brand Which sounds like a designer trainers was completely cut out. There's a scene where aragon falls off a cliff and everyone All right, okay Yeah, so he's already neglected that like for example elrond had two sons and they were the ones who Um, brought aragon the sword and also I think I think it wasn't arwin. I think it was them two who rescued him I wear the top. I can't remember but There's a lot there's a lot of characters like I said, like I mentioned doing it on bombardill completely cut Um, there's quite a few of them that I had that were cut either for well because there's two because they didn't well they didn't serve any difference or purpose or they just uh He picks and chooses because you want to pretend that he actually read the box and he didn't fucking read them and also elrond bringing narsil to um Uh Aragorn it helps to establish that you know some arwin stuff You know why he would help him why he's has a doubly so vested personal interest and you know him succeeding and that sort of thing So, I mean it does add to the it does add to their dynamic. Oh, yeah, there are plenty of changes. Um Some good some bad. I would definitely argue That'd be well that'd be an entirely different Chat though, but yeah, and I he's he's a big phony Ripping his cred away from him I try I try to I try to dial down the anger because I can't keep going Drain's you leave him alone. It continues the totally equal racist shtick despite orcs even slaving away carrying hobbits I won't bother mentioning this again because it's frequent for all of the films Fuck it much like it's predecessor is did not follow the books entirely considering the character of urkin brandwood Sounds like a designer trainers was completely cut out. There's a scene where harrigan. So He didn't like establish. So like this thing in the book wasn't in the movie moving on. It's like wait Yeah, we're like establish why the film's bad though. Yeah, that doesn't do anything for us That's just like oh because he earlier said That if they take something bad from the book and put it in the movie, it's still bad It's like ah, so now you've opened up precedent That there are things we cannot have from the book and that be a good choice So just saying they don't have this guy like oh Was that guy a really good guy was was that really like what happened? I don't know. Okay, I'm moving on I was gonna say um urkin brand in the book. Uh, all he does Well All he does is he set out to go find the row the well the rest of the row here and that uh Well that got banished when the Greek primer was in charge in in the film. It's Yuma instead. That's it that that that's his character that is so well that is so Dastardly taken out of the wall cut out. That's that's it. It's it's it's fucking nothing again It's a character that doesn't need to be there. It's it's great You know, especially in the box where you got you know plenty of time to do whatever the fuck you want But in the films that are lasting well that a lot they're reaching this fucking long It's not it's not a character like oh man. I really wish they brought urkin brand in I'm so disappointed. They didn't include it Nobody's fucking crying over it. Come on. I guess people want it said This is a man who loves the last Jedi and rides a Skywalker, but he hates Lord of the Rings Yeah All right Am I confusing the sword name it starts out as Narsol then becomes Andriel so the shards of narsiel and then when it's reforged El rondra first it is on duril, but I actually uh for my script. I mentioned Andriel in my in my TFA part three and I wanted to clarify when is that gonna be out? I shan't say until later The the sword name though that I looked at a post and it said that uh both names are valid They both mean and represent different things, but uh For safety I go with andriel because that's what uh, that's what el ron calls it when he gives it to aragon Who am I to say that he's wrong about swords el ron's pretty pretty pretty baller, you know, I think you know Man's had a sword in his life One for fucking ages of my adult assumes he's dead that wasn't in the book But jackson included it a bit of tension it didn't work because everyone knew aragon didn't die So it was ultimately Aowyn's reaction to it and what it meant to the characters and The characters didn't know again this argument doesn't work. He's saying we can never rewatch a movie. You can't rewatch movies. They find him Can't rewatch movies Because we'll know what happens. So there's just no reason We already but I fucking hate these arguments. We obviously knew aragon was dead This isn't you know what's funny is like I think the one time I used it was uh black panther because I was like But they played a trailer for infinity war Before you see black panther in the cinema and it shows him in it and then in black panther they're like Oh, he fell off a cliff. He's dead. It's like, well, no, he's not It's just funny and awkward, but yeah She's silly fat man Column names Aowyn leaves me love giving up on love, but her character in the book never does that and would never do that My point is I could oh, okay. I don't know what oh what what that's not it. What? Is he wrong? I think he's wrong. Wait, let me just roll her back. Sorry Guys, it was ultimately pointless. You silly fat man She's gonna she's gonna play that again because I I'm lost Aowyn leaves me love giving up on love, but her character doesn't look middle-earth. So she doesn't Yeah, she doesn't leave middle-earth. Do you remember the part of the movie when she's not gone? She marries aragorn where she never left And we're at the end where she's not gone Is it two towers or Elrond tells you that she's gonna not only will she eventually die alone But the aragorn will die and that it's death death death. That's all it is and she's like, oh, shit So she considers leaving so all that all that yeah all that's happening is she that she has joined the party Yeah, yeah, and then she has the vision of a son and she's like there's not just death There's life and then elrond is like that future is Extreme is like waning there's very little chance that future will ever happen um But they try and then yeah, so she's the you could you could actually argue the film makes it very clear she's staying for love Yeah, blatantly blatantly clear. There's a whole vision of her like watching him die and then like that like What that makes what that is selling or uh making obvious to the audience is that Like she has to go through a great deal of pain to be with him and then So when she stays it is because she's willing to put through you know put up with that which that is like Again simple film communication. It means obviously that's love. She loves him. She's committed to him The tragedy of arwin is that slowly but surely She realizes that her immortality doesn't come with extra powers And she has to cope with that Oh man Like elrond has to sit down with her one day in rivendell and like listen daughter You just get to live forever. I guess there was a frame with his eyes open and closed too close to each other We ended up with this creature. Oh no That's actually terrifying I don't know what it wants, but it sees bad movies everywhere Never does that and would never do that My point is I could sit here and list all the things changed from the novels and people would still claim they're accurate to the source material When it's clearly not why would people claim no nobody's arguing that Literally nobody has argued that But like who cares if they so if someone says no, they're actually pretty accurate compared to most adaptations It'd be like that's probably true So what it's faithful. It's pretty damn faithful But saying it's faithful and saying it's accurate or two very different things Yeah, and and who fucking cares the whole point of this video is to prove that the the films aren't good What is it gonna do with the books? Why why are we booking it? I don't understand Well, if marvel could have spider-man come out and be on iron man's team despite in the comics being on captain america's And never being okay with revealing his identity due to his aunt may and everyone ignores that and calls it the most faithful Adaptation to the comics and no, they've never heard it called the most faithful adaptation to the comics In fact, all we ever fucking hear How it's not like you can't see wrong Everyone tells us it's not accurate Cosmodal variety how it thinks civil war is bad because it doesn't follow the comics Yeah, you guys have an entire saga of this Yeah, it yeah, it yeah Yeah, it's my it's my least favorite of that That era of marvel films. I'll kill you No, it is like it is because the whole film is just to set up that stupid And you have to admit that it is so clunky. I will break off your neck while on the floor Civil war is the best at the MCU it's unbeatable You just not care about the movie Hey, wait, did you think it's so good? It's suspicious. Did you think that cap and iron man were gay? Is that why is that why it pissed you off? Your man followed captain america For no reason he's like a stalker in the movie Oh my god, let's get back to this Let's just end our misery and just continue this fucking video. It's nothing's possible I'll end by saying the two towers is by far superior to fellowship, but it's still littered with the problems the overage Okay, two hours long. I'd call it a great film, but it has an extra hour of padding. I'd call it great, but there's an hour of padding Oh, yeah, fuck. That's a lot of padding after all that From being great is there's an hour Another that it would have been great so close yet so far I've never played about like one random tertiary character being cut, but there's padding It's like so what what you wanted every fucking character in it. I mean I never heard him blow his horn though, so Yes, I mean, I mean some I'm sure there was some book fans who really did want to see every character in in the well in the flesh It's Filla and there's even an extended cut for an extra hour of padding It takes it down a great notch He's been reviewing he's been reviewing theatrical versions then Oh, no, why? Oh, yeah, that too. Yeah That's disgusting Oh It makes it just a chore to sit through two shit films so far. We're doing well He did not like you time. How I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just I was thinking how is the actual woods cleaner than your room? Magic But this is good guys, this is progress, you know, this is like speed running it. Yeah, this is a good thing, honestly Well, he's not talking about the Lord of the Rings, so I hope it's not I'm sure I'm sure his friends had fun doing this At least his friends had fun When they found out that it was to criticize Lord of the Rings they're probably like, oh Oh my goodness Such an awesome shot I swear film brain used to do stuff like running around in the woods in his back neighborhood Let's end this fucker. Oh wait. Oh, he's up in the tree. Is that what? Look at that overexposure. Holy shit. All right. Yeah. I was confused. I guess he's up in the tree now Just one left. We did it Oh my god Despite shooting all of them at once seriously, how the hell did he manage that Jackson claims Return of the King was the easiest to make I was gonna say and you guys Know the whole thing with Peter Jackson like how you went like from like morbidly obese to being shredded We're not shredded, but you fucking like finned out like loads from like the distress and that the film's put improve I You seeing the stress of the production made him lose weight is what you're saying. Yeah Yeah, they should the sheer intensity of how much work he put into it. He fuck it. Yeah, he fucking like dropped that like well Ridiculous amount of weight Well, it'll be great forever. So good job Oh, yeah, I mean like well, you know, yeah, well It's not it's not good to lose that much weight that quickly, but it was in you knew you knew how fat he was, right? Oh, yeah, yeah Man Story All right, all right Despite this claim the movie had the most reshoots required was obviously the most emotional when it came to cast and crew farewells behind the scenes Had nearly three times the amount of visual effect shots than the first two had and this is also the first time a director Ever shot extra scenes for a film After it had already won in oscar shooting final avalanche shots as late as 2004 Okay, George Lucas Whoa, why are you not praising that talk about admiration for a man who has dedication to his craft Okay, George Lucas was a shit movie. You have to yeah like come on throw him a bone All right, George Lucas Don't know I can't help it many weeks were spent on cutting scenes out One of which was famously controversial by even fans of the series and sarah man appears Nowhere in the theatrical cut of the picture in the extended edition He finally gets killed off, but it got dropped because I don't know maybe jackson wanted to trim down the runtime They're just 16 hours and this one took it a bit overboard Uh, why were you not? He didn't want to it was theaters Basically forced them to because they did not want to fucking put a four-hour film on because I would still question Why this didn't make it in I remember what it was like back then though like this was unheard of to have a film that long Yeah, and this this was the trim version. So this was almost I remember when I went I remember when I went saw it. It literally had a break in the middle It literally had a like a five minute. Yeah, exactly Exactly the theaters were paranoid that people would not sit through a movie that long Yeah, and and again a filmmaking or or film business For every time they play this film or well played one of these films They missed out on playing two well two other films in in the same theater So well, you know you paid for the same price for the ticket Well, they they lost out even though obviously millions watched it They still lost out because they could have squeezed into one hour and a half film flicks in the same time, but you know So, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure jackson and uh, well the whole production had to cut it down for that very reason And then thanks to obviously dvds, uh, you well we got it all back And unfortunately, yeah one of them was that yeah sarah man got done dirty by being completely cut from the last film And then his fate is, you know completely left unknown. And that's the thing I think there are things I would cut before this. This this is pretty integral. Oh, yeah. Yeah, not sure I I would do something different I would do it differently, but uh That's the reason, you know that you know, it's Like they'll leave it but you know that there is a reason behind it. It's not just um because I don't know because I don't know you do like christopher lee or some stupid reasons All right then Even actor christopher lee was angry about this and there was even an online petition to restore the scene lee admitted He'll never understand the logic of deleting it and his relationship with the director ever since was chilly to say the least But they would make amends later for the hobbit trilogy the movie was finally finished on november the 12th 2003 And even peter jackson himself never had a chance to see the full film because he'd been so busy He literally saw the final cut himself at the premiere on december the 1st He was quoted as saying yep. It's good. Pretty good And the man knows quality. I guess. Oh, no. Yeah, sure. It's pretty good You're a lion rat the premiere was so anticipated and estimated 100,000 people lined the streets Which is more than a quarter of the city's pop. Yeah, this thing was huge seeing return of the king Knowing's the end of this story. Lord the rings was top shit right there Good times elation and almost the amount of people who have slept with my wife Zero Insult his wife. All right. Yeah, like that's not self-depreciating. I mean I'm trying to figure out like what so the joke is That your wife's a whore or you're not sleeping with her a good husband or that She got plowed by the half of new zealands. All right. Good job, bro Oh, yeah, we're all just like, okay But these jokes are shit The movie ended up grossing a worldwide total of 1 billion 119,929,521 Damn beat out rise of Skywalker in 2000 It was Um, uh, somebody did ping me the adjusted inflations and uh Where is it? Let me copy the images. Yeah, I would be curious to know Adjusted 1.7 to 1.75 And then you got the so Kind of estimates is like it for inflation like four billion plus like between the three films Yeah, like you could say one five one five for the first two and then one seven for the last one which makes a lot of sense That's pretty fucking colossal. Yes One at the highest grossing of the trilogy the second film in history to earn over a billion at the time The second highest grossing movie in history currently the 14th highest And it was the biggest financial success for time Warner until harry potter and the deathly hallows part two came out Huh harry potter wins case closed Wait why You hurt my soul. I haven't even seen like the last three or four harry potter movies. Oh, they were the great ones There's no gain isn't it? Return of the king is such a Such a visionary use of all the tools of special effects such a pure spectacle that it can be enjoyed even by those Who have not seen the first two films if it didn't take 45 minutes to end As it is it's just one of the great achievements No the ending is 20 minutes it is a 20 minute ending to a 12 hour series No, it's like a 10 hour ending. Come on. It's like it's like 30 now. It's ridiculous 10 million hours Because when we rewatch this I said the ending starts where frodo wakes up in rivendell Yep, right. That's where the ending starts and that's all that's basically 20 minutes Eighth greatest movie of all time and total film polled it as the third best It should have ended with a gandalf going so frodo any plans now and then frodo just goes nah cut Dress park theme would be suitable for the end of that. Yep Yeah, any time I see any complaints about like the length of the ending I just just I just roll with my eyes. It's like Only behind the matrix and fight club the movie went on to be nominated and won all 11 academy awards breaking an oscar record in addition to picking up four golden gloves Five BAFTA's two mtv movie awards two grammy's nine satin awards the new york film critic circle award for best picture the nebula award for best You know this I don't really care any of this like it's cool that I won this water. It's like, okay Yeah, it's great. But like if you're trying especially if you're like from a tactical perspective This is an interesting strategy. You're taking. Yeah. Yeah award for best dramatic presentation Small chance of success what are we waiting for? Also, again, I again though. He's building this up like he's showing how beloved it is so that it will In his mind increase the impact of when he pulls the rug out from under the Shows us the truth By by saying it's gay. I mean he's destroyed fellowship in two towers. I I fear to know Literally complaining about the gay I mean, it's a it's a prevalent issue. You know get rid of that gay Also, just to piss off his fanboyism Harry Potter the whole uh, well, not truly the whole the whole films never won an oscar Oh, of course. They're not good Yeah, they're almost as bad as civil war Comes the finale of the saga so bad This ridiculous overactive disappointing mess is known as the good one. Is it the best one? I think That couldn't have been the actual honest trailers. I'm assuming it's the honest trailers for I would assume revenge of the sith As soon as the other thing I can think that that would be applied to That this is the good one because everyone who the fuck thinks the lord of the rings trilogy is so bad that you have to Have well, this is the good one Then again, I haven't watched honest trailers in a billion years. I I don't really know But all right Yes That's not saying much that's like saying the shit that I took last night was better. Oh avian There you go. We've got our trailer like that's he's hit all the marks now. He's almost like, um The the movie critic of 2010 I guess No, that's before even that man. Like I guess it's before yeah Well, it's it's as a result of watching all of them for a long time, you know Oh, yeah, no, actually, no, yeah, yeah, that's back. It's like I'm pretty sure the first avian if it was like 2006 Like when they start when he started Yeah, this has been a lot of fun, sorry, I didn't know that this was going to be 27 hours long when I signed up for it Well, that would be a quick episode, but yeah, it's gonna be more than the extended trilogy I know I joked that I wouldn't come back, but uh, I'm looking forward to the next time So thank you very much for having me. Oh, that's absolutely man. You've been a fabulous guest. It's been fun Have fun debunking the same four arguments. Well, I was For another five hours. Yeah Before you go, do you want to do you want to tell the efap audience about what you do and where to find you? Uh, yeah, uh, they call me the armored skeptic I have a youtube channel on the internet and um, most of my stuff is just general skepticism about Um, atheism and some social issues, but now I've been doing a lot of like fun stuff Conspiracy theory stuff. So a little bit more fiction now. So come check me out. Thanks for having me guys had a lot of fun It's funny. Uh, I actually watched the tiger king documentary because you covered it and I was like wait I'll watch it first. I can see you cover it. Holy shit. That was a that was a journey Quite the ride, eh? I Dear I say best documentary in history Yes, yes, yes, it's uh It's got like better drabber and twisted tits that gave a throats at least it's better written for sure Um, yeah, it's real. That's the editing the editing is almost perfect like Very well told story Yeah, I was impressed. So yeah, check that out and his channel and his coverage of it It'll all well wait thus so armored skeptic and armored media. Do you cover? Yeah armored armored media as well That's where the movie reviews are. Yeah, both links are in the description and uh, the skeptics in in the chat To link to it. Uh, thank you ever so much for coming on for for a full how long was it seven eight nine ten eleven twelve one two seven hours Yeah, have a good night everybody. Yeah, and we'll see you around. Thanks for coming Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye You're all so gay Yeah, affection. Oh, yeah, I forgot affection is gay Same bias any guys remember remember that shit All right, uh Back home with it, I suppose I just hope that was shit. I took it day before No, I think greg is right. It's the same for arguments Yeah, I feel like this will be quick because he's probably just gonna do the same shit Light before there's good things in it like there's a pattern He's gonna say all of the accomplishments of the movies And it's wrong with his four arguments that are the same Because we didn't watch the movie not really say it like his arguments aren't incredible Oh Yeah, yeah saying it's the gay. Oh Somebody said in chat that that by was too long Bad things in it, so let's just end this fucker Uh, let's see here Tree beard looks a lot better. Peter Jackson continues showing off his fantastic helicopter skills He is very proud of that helicopter. Congratulations. Peter. You're right. He's bringing back the old arguments Jokes, that's the third time he's used the helicopter joke You like helicopters. I mean gay incredible environments that lend extremely well to world building Can you can you seriously imagine like actually talking to somebody who thinks I came in the wild and they and they bring up that Lord of Rings has too many helicopter shots and I wouldn't want to deal with it Yeah, you're almost like what do I even like what my spine would bend in half my head. I've got my ass. I couldn't take it That's how you know it's game over Yeah, and then oh No, I can't believe that. Yeah, let's fuck it. Come on Fuck it Should be sorry all right The musical score continues to impress and the battle scenes are absolutely mind-blowingly phenomenal Simple shots like this where the camera follows the body going down the stairs and then another one coming up That was fantastic and all of the choreography is done with such tremendous precision. It's unreal So you get this subplot of denathore the father of boromir who happily claims he wished his other son faramir died instead Leading to his depression. Wow A subplot and a story arc in the movies Where have you been? We're have yeah They do this for every character. They make sure to establish them the moment we meet them Also, it's not just that denathore It becomes bitter and consumed by grief after the after the death of his wife And then he also has a panel a panel That's a bit no a panel tier Palantir Palantir. Fuck me. I it's yeah Yeah, the point is that yeah after his wife dies and he obtains that Sauron feeds on his grief and then yeah, it turns him well into a twisted broken man Uh, but yeah, let's let's let's see what well, this is the other pattern We've noticed if ever there's something he likes he'll pretty do a do a pretty bad job explaining why it's good For example, the choreography and camera work is so good There's a person who dies they go down the steps when they die and the camera follows that only to follow a guy coming Up the stairs. It's like Mach the helicopter shots of the insane good environments And this is the thing If someone was to make that was one of like 15 different things you highlighted about how a scene is working I'd probably be okay with it. But just being like, hey it won a bunch of awards Tree beard looks okay Is this shot I like And denathore has a character. It's like what is this structure, dude? Like really work harder on like like just making it all smoothly flow instead of just being like I don't know thought thought thought thought Actually cared about Well, that's incredible It wasn't in the books was it No, so there's the scene where denathore demands that pip in sing So he does so beautifully over this war montage and it's my favorite scene of the entire movie It's beautifully compiled together with great And it really sticks in your it's fucking a lot of that and Lord the Rings you've already missed but okay Yeah, this is the first time it gets a thumbs up from this guy Emery which is the first time something like that has actually happened in this entire trilogy so far Uh these shots look pretty awesome. It has some really intention. This sucks He showed three. Yeah horribly mangled shots Like these shots look good Suspenseful moments when Frodo was captured by a spider. Why do you care? We know he's gonna survive Didn't he establish this in both Whatever no it works with she long Hogwarts four-time guys Why can't we follow the butterflies? It's actually really intense and this stuff's great sam shows up and starts to fight it and it's pretty damn flawless denathore Did he just like it because it kind of reminds him of Oh no You're a spider in Harry Potter, you know The reason why he likes it. Oh So from finally taking son with him again, I actually give a shit about a subplot for one. So this is a cool sequence So he's getting the pros out of the way, I guess Yeah, yeah, again, we could we could choose to better explain why these things work. I'm just bored Joey Clyde to be like this. We'll just move on Yeah, this is And feminists everywhere queen who called it who called it one of you was it was it you did Yeah, I did. Yeah, he did he did the thing All right In all honesty that line was fucking awesome He did it Picking off braveheart this speech is still intense and motivating these special effects are great And the final part when they finally make it to the destination this scene is fucking amazing Frodo be coming over taken by his powers putting the ring on I feel Frodo was like a blank character Yeah, so so you would you were would you argue that the journey was worth it for that scene then because well my god Yeah, it uh, it's quite the climax. You know It took a while to get there, but it was worth it and the climax is is also awesome. It's uh It's almost like the film's good So good in fact fighting golem. It's nothing so I guess it's better than two towers I mean it's got a lot more positive things in it But it's also filled with a lot of negative things in it He missed the part that that point of the movie is tragic like He he thought that Frodo fought Like he thought it was a straight up fight like the way he's talking about it But really it's not it's like Frodo put on the ring and fought golem. That's how he said it It's like we yeah, I think he would be like it's such an awesome action scene. We'd be like Yeah, if it's an awesome awesome action scene, then that's uh more important than anything Let's just get this over with Let's begin with golem now we start off with his origin, which is really cool But then everything established in the last film is completely eradicated. I do like how he talks to his reflection What do you mean? Everything that was established is eradicated. What is he talking about? Action here. It's quite eerie, but then we get a flashback to a murder he committed and a murder We just saw just 15 minutes ago. Do they think their audience have short-term memory loss? I like to fucking do Even himself even admits it that he's got his memories are sick I was about to say like wait you couldn't remember character names and now you're like wow the film assumes I've got bad memory No, we don't know if it's an assumption at this point and uh, yeah, they do flash him killing uh deagle quickly This is like joker level shit where I'm just like, oh, I'm sorry. They played it for a couple of seconds. I hope you survived It's about two towers was that golem was this creepy mysterious and threatening creature completely conflicted with the split personalities In return of the king, he's reduced to having no personality other than being shit evil So the end of two towers he commits to the plan of killing them And he acknowledges himself He do this that's the whole scene is that the quote-unquote like good half of smiegel feels betrayed And he no longer wants to serve the master Yeah, and then he and then yeah right at the end he plots Well, yeah, he comes up with a plot to I'll take him through she loves lair and then she love will kill them And then I'll get the ring back and she spits out the bones smiegel does resurface Temporarily he's like, please don't he's really sad and everything sucks And then photo says I have to destroy it and then smiegel makes his choice very clearly He doesn't want the ring destroyed Yeah, he wants it I'm not even intimidating like a little kid who got disciplined by mommy So to get his revenge he makes her out to look like a bitch to daddy What's this I'm gonna I don't even know how to respond to that he so Does golem strike you as like as a as a as a physically strong He's a weak pathetic little creature who has fucking Look at him He's he's never by skin and bones or fuck six He has a does he's taking issue with the framing of sam or I don't understand what's happening And I'm like, yeah, how how is he gonna he's not gonna beat these two in a sword fight? We've already we've already established that even Frodo can throw his fucking like Like you know, it's 20 pound ass across the fucking screen. So what is he gonna do? How does he how does he how does he divide them or separate them? You know, he weaves he weaves the scent, you know Well, yeah Against him or he's turning them against each other. That's what he's doing because he's a He's a he's a sniving little fucking bastard, you know He knows exactly how the ring works more than anywhere Yeah, because because he knows exactly what Frodo must be thinking Well, yeah, because he he's the one who's had it for the longest period of time. Like, you know, not counting the star on So as we just said he's trying to divide them. I don't understand what else you need Seriously, this is one of the antagonists One of the bad guys was supposed to be threatened by and it just so he's not a big hulking creature with a sword He's a different kind of antagonist. You fuck. Yeah, he's he's like grima worm tongue Yeah, you you you'll never be you'll never take anyone down with a knife or a sword Well, actually, you might yeah, you might be a little backstabbing cut, but Yeah, he's not gonna beat anyone on, you know physical prowess or what or you know or skills It's all about cunning and oh manipulation I'd argue is what makes him more interesting because he's not like the other antagonists Yeah, and he's not a big snarling beast monster He makes that nasty line. That's a line that the villain has said. Can you imagine Darth Vader's? Oh Why would a completely different character say that? Oh, Jesus It's because nostalgica gives it to comparison No, I I can't imagine him saying that Darth Vader and golem are different newsflash I don't But they're both villains. So they should definitely conform to the exact same fucking There is only one kind of bad guy. Okay Yeah, they're all bad Can you imagine vulture and soren saying the same things? Yeah, they must be sure that guys also revives. You didn't you didn't see this part But like he really liked grima because he looked cool and it's like grima is as as more he looks cool Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's the reason that's it Yeah, and grima like like golem Uses the same kind of tactics because again, as we've just said They're not they're not physical warriors that you know, they don't fight with their swords They fight with their words, you know, keep your fox tongue behind you Yeah, well, yeah, we especially with grima, you know, it is literally the name Well, apparently that's not even he could be pointing that out as overt, but I don't even think he picked it up Well, no, because you didn't you didn't watch all fucking read the books today I mean at least this fills time Weird it's just like, you know, veta wouldn't say stuff the golem would say I don't know how to explain that There are two different characters in two different contexts with two different sets of attributes So strange They just say nasty Hey, can you can you imagine hands grover saying um Fucking uh, john. I am your father. Can you imagine him saying no because it makes no fucking sense What about hands grover saying join me and rule the galaxy? Wait, what? Yeah, uh, no, you're nothing but a petty common thief. I'm an exceptional thief actually Yeah, it's almost like villains can be fucking characters and I've all why Nobody nobody's like confused here, right? Everyone is on the same fucking page Everyone in chat and all four of us. We're all just looking at him like well rags his expression essentially Yeah This is what golems become. I've had the defense at the club. I'm sorry. He spoke this way in the second film. I don't understand Yeah I don't like this ticket is tall. They've been traveling for fucking a long time now. This is how he's always talked. I don't understand He's trying. Okay. You know what we said already. He's trying to tear them apart lisa Yeah What all I get the more insane he becomes but my problem is he's not turning more insane. He's turning more one dimensional Oh my god He's saying proto is acting more like a little kid. No, he's a golem. Oh and uh News news flash golem Is kind of one dimensional as in he literally only cares about one thing in the entire fucking universe He had one. Yeah, he had dual personalities But they both commit to wanting to kill froto and sam or the very least By the time golem is in our story. He has had a long long tragic tale Like we're not getting to him at the beginning of his arc, you know If someone wanted to say he's one dimensional in that he's motivated entirely by the ring. I'd be like, okay That's how that's golem. That's like the character What remains of smegel the good-hearted hobbit has been Overrun almost entirely by golem the personality that came out of the desire for the ring at least that's the uh What I think is is is present in in the film And of course we could have reached him It's just that he interpreted what happened with faramir as a complete betrayal and the other half of him The desire for power is is more than overwhelming Not not to mention as well that um But well because golem has obviously lost the ring now for a well a certain amount of time um There is also the the whole smegel personality coming you know kind of coming back into uh play But it's I don't I don't actually know if uh golem had conversations with smegel and well golem and smegel conversations with himself all the time But I I could roll with that fact that yeah because he's because he's kind of weaning off the ring You know because he's well, you know, he's an addict in in that sense. He's around it, but he's not like got it Yeah, yeah, and remember it only happens once frodo calls him smegel and treats him with Right the most kindness that anyone ever has in the past 500 years or whatever Yeah, he's he's he's invoking his humanity or it was hobbit Just like Exactly like Darth Vader you can see the characters are very simple it Seems like a little kid which he didn't do in any of the last film here. I'll just contact any of his scenes seriously Take it for me. He's fucking singing. What do you think? Well, he's certainly happy at the prospect. Yeah, so think think of being like Like he's fucking excited that he's gonna be getting the one thing in the world. He wants more than anything No, and there we go explained Like this argument that golem smegel is now childish. That's also in the second film bro. Like yep He didn't watch it remember the remember the run. He's like take it off us like and he's dragging himself across the floor He's just like No, no that was from return of the king because it was stupid that must be return of the king The thing about his view on these films, which is interesting to me is the whole like, you know He said the shaw nastin's acting improves or was it Frodo's acting improves Uh smegel's character changes from one movie to the other. It's like these were all Constructed as one long movie essentially like the fact that he's choosing these breakages in where things like switch from one to the other I'm just like it's very you're you're placing that on something that really doesn't have that Yeah, it's an arbitrary line because this is not a tv show where it's split over seasons and you know The cast you know returned or anything like that. No, this was one long big production as he fucking pointed out It so again, I yeah, I lied you would I'm pretty sure did not get like you know acting lessons to improve him for It wouldn't make sense anyway because he recorded several scenes out of order So now what how does that work? He was good sometimes and then just not sometimes Yeah The intimidating character from the last film is now comic relief. Why was it? I'm very confused. I would actually argue he's way more intimidating in return of the king than he is in two towers I guess he's referencing when he was crawling across the the rock sing He's gonna like kill sam and frodo when he first meets them, but for the rest of the film. He's an ally Yeah In return of the king We're made very aware that he's going to kill these people and that anything he does to look frail innocent victimized And to split them is all a part of a greater scheme, which I would argue makes him more intimidating so Where are we at folks? I'm just like what's what's happening to this wonderful world Under seven minutes left. Let's just finish this. Yeah, yeah Good job, p. Do it mr. Frodo. I won't wait around for him to kill us. I'm not sending him away He's a villain Again if this line was in any other movie So villainous and villain. He's trying to convince frodo that he's being had He's probably referencing that that's like a meta word, right? Like you wouldn't refer to someone as a villain But they that's a part of older language And also these two specifically have talked and do talk about stories of characters going on journeys Absolutely in heroes. So they would be very familiar with this terminology in particular He's a villain. He's a villain batman good jokers over there batman go get him Once again, you just pull it out of its context and then say look it doesn't make sense here You're like good job Oh well No one in any movie ever literally says he's a villain. This dialogue is defended. He's a villain $9 billion so your argument is instantly There are two defenses of the use Someone in chat just said sorry Gollum is the child and sam's the fucking jealous boyfriend. Don't touch him gay Yeah, yeah against the gay Or as anyone can well should be easily able to identify is that no again Frodo on this journey is slowly being corrupted by the ring is slowly It's slowly poisoned his mind And sam being the faithful companion not boyfriend or other gay references Is trying to keep Frodo's mind clean and you know steam on the right path because yeah He's warning him of gollum and that we should get rid of him and Frodo Which we could only Get the idea from that, you know, maybe he's sympathetic to gollum because well he definitely is we know that And also, you know, he may you may also like empathize with him because he's also got the ring now He's also understanding that, you know, oh, shit, you know gollum loves the ring and I love it too But no, no, no Goes back to being sam just being a gay jealous boyfriend Stupid sam the gay what sam gets gay wise gamgee. There we go gay wise game If that's what you take away that the sam is gay Or or or or it's it's an undertone for being gay. That's Fuck man, I don't want to see you. Yeah exactly He's a nasty man this dialogue is horrendous. He's a villain. This is a good sword. Is he dead? This is a good sword Oh Very nice. Oh, yeah, yeah, uh, he said that uh when narrow corn is um Fucking ham ham or whoever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and he says this is a good sword. You compared it to I hate sands and um Shit was the other one Oh, uh He compared it to it. Oh, it's just as bad as a lion as I hate sands and also. What was the other one? I can't remember. Well the point what you remember when I was a lot of fish. Yeah, that's yeah He's he's trying to give reassurance to this one kid Yeah, there you go. That was that was exactly what we all said too Apparently you yeah, you I guess you watched the film. I don't know weird I well, I meant but you watch an e-fap, but you're away because that's the other point It's always but it's it's the point like there's no Yeah, that's I how could you not interpret it is that I I would be shocked if someone gave me another interpretation of it Well, his interpretation was Aragorn walked up to a kid and said hand me your sword and then he went Wow, this is a neat sword and then walked away Yeah, and he equated that to anakin in star was saying I hate sands and he equated it to mafie broderick Say that's a lot of fish in godzilla And also he sprinkled in the star to create because that's obviously where he got it from because Also, he had film brain references to um an avid gen An avid gen. Yeah. Yeah. So he is almost like he's always got the you know, the Well, yeah the 2010 uh Kiddy Scott or whatever Are you kidding me? It's golem. It's how he talks Very nasty full of enemies All I really expect him to watch the movie, which is too much. Darth Vader wouldn't say very nasty So it's a flaw now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but you know who would probably yoda, but he loves star wars So he says that he loves fantasy and he references star wars and yoda talks. Well, like a fucking idiot Yeah, yoda talks gibberish, but Yeah, and yoda's like an old wise character, but whatever he says has to be said by gandalf too. Otherwise, it's stupid Right, that's how that works a character who is like a little well, it's like a fucking crackhead. Oh, no, that's just that's just No This is a piss take line in fred It's judy She's been kidnapped By kidnappers. Well, when it's in lord of the rings except Wait, so So i'm a little confused as to what he's actually so golem said it's a dead city filled with uh Nasty, what do you say? What did I say is he said nasty something? Nasty Very nasty. I can't remember And full of enemies dead city full of enemies very nasty and he's like wow, that's that's like saying you were kidnapped by kidnappers Yeah, don't I don't I don't see the connection. They're gonna have to Yeah, it's The difference between them the difference between them is like fucking like earth or mars, you know, it's it's just complete Yeah acting Oof very loud I'm curious. Well, do you want to do it again? What's this point gonna be? We didn't guess it right last time we were to We He's playing this scene when he's talking with what he's showing now. Yeah, he's showing this and he's going to criticize it We did this before we got it wrong dramatically and we were shocked by what he ended up criticizing So all that's are off kids. What is this? What do you reckon? This just followed after him taking the piss saying that uh acting wasn't it? So So he's gonna say Frodo's acting is bad here. Do you think is that it? He's something about yeah Frodo's face, I guess All right. Yeah I think we're decided it's gonna be Frodo is a bad actor. All right, here we go Oh Because the way you were clutching your chest and acting I would have never got that. Yeah, so sam might not have gotten that Uh Yeah Yeah, I mean And he's dude. He's shocked a scream is causing him physical pain where he was stabbed This is very very worrying The sound alone is like well deafening or ever Frodo's actually like like feeling it in his chest from where he stabbed him that that's That's yeah, okay This I mean he needs to watch the movie with us and we can point all this stuff out to him as we go We can be like, oh, so the reason why this happened is it means this this this he's like, oh, wow cool You're like, yeah, I know next scene so this happens. This is this We're just like helping him out I think most of us well when the first film came out. I think I was like 11. I think or 12 I got this one. I was 12 Presumably like it is mid 20s here. I don't know but And plus does he not understand that in real life a lot of the time when people are in pain They vocalize where the pain is Yeah, you're like, oh shit my toe hurts like a bitch No, I'm like Rex. I can tell by you clutching your foot. It was your fucking arm that was hurting right How many how many times are people limping a little bit and you're like, fuck my knee just hurts And then and then some asshole is like I can tell and then you give them the look the rags avatar has Like wow, oh dude Like seriously, like Okay That light will just like dud dud dud. What happened to just letting actors act just showing him Oh my god, but he wasn't stabbed in the chest. He stabbed in the shoulder Why can't actors act? Why can't you just let them be free? That wouldn't have been enough because they clearly think the audience are fucking morons. No, they question. I mean, you're not helping the argument Are you? Why don't we just kill this person because we're the bad guys we don't need any I mean, he's tied up in a big web thing and they're in shilob's lair. They're gonna get the fuck out of there They drop him down. He's knocked out. They pull all his shit off and they're looking at it I don't think they give a fuck if he's alive or dead when they're dealing with a fucking mithril shirt That's my argument I don't know what else there is to it Like you just have this stuff is like just in the film at this point. I'm It's getting very tiring Like what greg said, it's like basic cinematic storytelling language He can't even get that Or he doesn't see it because of the filter Like I guess we need someone to just explicitly say this to him in the film. Why didn't we kill him yet? We've been distracted and we didn't want to kill him in the lair because shilob might get us and we actually think she's a threat as fuck Okay You also orcs are like, oh look look at this non-orc. Should we kill it? It's like nah bring it back. I'll see Christ don't don't touch the palino feels like don't go near it, dude Don't do it. Don't do it Fear no darkness that's something a 12 year old emo writes Okay Considering they are literally about to write into the forces of darkness We're right now for ruin and the world's ending death. Like they know we're gonna die Yeah, it is the last time Getting pumped and psyched up, you know And you're like he's saying like he literally interpreted that scene as something a 12 year old would say Like when he's going to sleep and he has to go to the bathroom. No feeling. No darkness feel. No, I'm not not gonna feel any darkness I'm gonna walk and go to the loo It's insane. Paden's Paden's speech here is like the best and it's fucking amazing I do having the characters chant death and actually have it be uprising like like a win amazing No, I I really wanted fear than the kind of step down just go right guys, you know, we've done this a million times before I mean, obviously the ones who died on the way Show me your wall face people Also, I love like there's just so much of the movie we're not talking about from his perspective. I mean, he's just like Yeah, well, yeah, he's just skipped off the return of the king. Yeah to get to this point And then you yell at him and call him a prick Oh If we fight I will punch you these lines are so bad Oh my god, besides an a when saying if you touch my father, I'm gonna kill you Why do you exist? Wait, it's her Oh, so yeah, I thought I got that wrong earlier. I guess not her father's uncle I get the point I was just saying that when when Aragorn said that he rode with or he fought with her father and she was confused because And he met Fiodan when he was a little boy and it's right Fiodan's older than you Yeah, that that yeah, it doesn't matter really. Anyway, it's just a thing Like this review doesn't matter. I I would love I really need to know what he would replace this dialogue with What would you have her say? But no, he just wants them to fight It's getting to be hilariously bad like to the point where it's like, you know what when Aragorn says for Frodo He's gonna go. Well, who else would it be for? Yeah, you're like, oh what okay for what? For dinator. Yeah, right And he's not even for what exactly Frodo was a person Frodo's genie. You don't they're not specific Oh, just the idea of Frodo, I guess Yeah, for him but through the extension of that all of us. So we're a little I mean, yeah Why is Aragorn saying full Frodo as opposed to for us all he's very selfish and gay Can I also say I'm still not over the fact that he compared pure no darkness to some emo kids saying it like yeah, how like How could you say that a force of men confronting like Literally evil beings and in saying that's the same as being an emo fuck like how could how could you say that? How could you say that those scenes are even comparable? It's like it It's so stupid the statement is so stupid the sentiment is so stupid. It's it's giving it's giving me a headache guys. It's like It's like well, it's a matter of like I wonder what you'll have a problem with next It's kind of fascinating in that regard how how stupid the statements can get like I'm struggling to think of new them. Oh, and don't forget more random. I can see the same skirt I could see the same thing about your fucking script More random laughter. They've won Oh One Everything that they went through they they they just they they had a laugh they they they shared joy How dare you this is such an like inhalation moment of just we fucking did it Look, it's us the fucking idiots from the shire and we did it Oh, yeah, well again, keep in mind Frodo and Sam they've been not they've been separated since the first film and Well, well, well Sam and Frodo being separated from everyone, but also all right. Well and well and and and yeah true Especially with Gandalf. He thought he was dead, you know, he saw him fall and that was it. So to see him standing there Yeah Yeah, imagine the fucking relief, you know No, no, they're just laughing stupid giggling tosses Oh, no more skits actually kill some more time. He's gonna laugh He doesn't get He's such a talented critic. He takes something out of context He just takes a thing out of context and does it again then says look how stupid it is now and it's like well done He literally doesn't get why they're laughing. It's like It's fascinating. Yeah, it's fascinating and like I'll never see anything like this in Wow, it's like we like this is a pretty quick guide on how to do this I guess just call things gay and then just take a thing from a movie Recreate it in a skit and then say it's dumb Yeah, or or compared to something that's like also A cartoon or a film or whatever genre it is even though they're not comparable and just say it sucks because it's not the thing I compared it to arbitrarily like brilliant Brilliant Gimli still not funny It doesn't supposed to be the funny bit this like this what he's saying here Like this is to reassure himself. It's not meant to be funny. I mean, I can see how you Someone would find this but the point is that he's good Since the beginning of the film dwarves better than elves, right? And now we're in a situation where you're going underground and he's more scared than Legolas is And that's to him that's fucking baffling and he's trying to amp himself up like Fucking hell. We gotta get it there. Like Jesus. What is this? And it's just yeah, it gives me a smile to think about Yeah, the funny parts here are Generally gonna be him stepping on the skulls and cringing with every step. I don't think that's in the He's reviewing the um theatrical and I don't think that's in Wrong already. Yes. You are right. It's not in the theatrical, but fuck Oh It's just so bad. I'm supposed to be funny. Oh wait, what what's now? What are we doing? He's about to you serious. He's about hilarious. He's This is This is like gimli's fucking Fantastic line. This is set up since two towers to be perfect Yeah A funny gimli lot. Oh, thank fuck. He thought it was funny. Oh, thank god. His soul is not lost. He's got it. There's something Oh, there's been loads. You just missed them I'm so proud of you movie Can you can you do another funny line? I offer you my service such as this In payment of this debt I'm gonna pause for copyright safety, but again, do you guys want to guess what he's going for? I don't know Of this being funny. Yeah. Oh What do you think? What's the joke in this scene? I Gandalf hit some in the back to get him up. I guess. Yeah, Gandalf just goes. Oh, give it a rest. He doesn't this he's not worth your shit Yeah, he's all right. He kind of like spooks him with a stick to me or his staff Oh, is that the joke? Uh, well, I mean I didn't know that was supposed to be a joke. It's supposed to be the you know Pippin's being very serious and then it's undercut by the fact that it's like dude Just we got stuff to do for like get up I guess that could be amusing in a way Not just that but it's not just that but it's also clear that Gandalf does a respect Denifor, he's no, um, he's not a king. He's a steward. He even says on his way out, which I find to be a Uh great line. He says uh, he'll even use his grief as a cloak. I think or something. Yeah Like Gandalf fucking hates Denifor Yeah, he has no time for him Pause for safety again Um, okay, what do you reckon he's gonna do? He says let him rot. So I'm assuming he's gonna take issue Why do we care? Yeah, that's not that's not a joke. That's so much more just fucking well, we'll see Who knows what he'll say? He could say anything. He could say oh, it's really dumb that he's smoking in this scene. Like who knows Okay, yeah Let him rot. Why should we care? Well, what the fuck? They they spent three movies trying to save them and now Gimli wants him to die What? He's referring to Frodo because Gandalf clarifies immediately after mentioning the Hobbits Gimli's Wait, he thinks that Gimli's talking about Frodo. Gimli's talking about Sauron Yeah, he's talking about Sauron in his army. Wait, you think he's saying let Frodo rot? No No Sauron, right? We can like this can't this can't actually be happening like a No, no, he didn't watch the movie. He didn't watch the movie. No way. He's gonna just gonna roll it back Let him stay there Let him rot. Why should we care? Well, what the fuck? They they spent three movies trying to save them and now Gimli wants him to die He does think that Gimli's referring to Frodo. Can we have a moment of silence? I don't know This might be the most baffling take we've seen on efeb. I don't Can you press f for my brain chat? Oh my god, just press press f for analysis I do not even know what to say Anyway He thinks Gimli doesn't care Frodo lives or dies in this moment in the film guys In the fucking scene where they get the chain mail they went. Oh, they all went. Oh, come on, bro No, how could he think this considering that their play? What is it? Gimli goes on this potential suicide mission to Save Frodo in this very scene Effort analysis chat like just fucking press f. He's crazy Do you remember when Gimli's reaction to the idea that Frodo didn't make it after destroying the ring? Do you remember how happy is to see Frodo when Frodo wakes up? Yeah Why why would you think he's talking about Frodo you idiot? Let him stay there Let him rot like Frodo's just gonna like buy an apartment in Mordor Look like let's just like if he was a friend of ours We all saw it separately. We talked about it. He's like so weird that Gimli wanted Frodo to die at one point Why do they have beef what happened? What an absurd moment in this video, but thank you for putting it at this point So it's a nice little bonus before we hit the end. I guess What can't I'll actually say I forgot already like What kind of says it doesn't fucking matter what Gandalf says in response because Gimli is clearly referring to sarod I guess yeah, but it's like I thought I thought that he would So okay someone actually posted it Gandalf says in response because 10 000 orcs now stand between Frodo and mount doom Oh my god So he thinks that like to turn he thinks this like the the text of this scene is uh Gimli said I don't care about Frodo. He can rot and then Gandalf said Yeah, but Frodo has a couple of obstacles we need to help him out with though Oh, okay. That's what he that's what he thinks the scene is in rather the scene is we've defeated those the armies of Mordor sent them back They can rot in Mordor and then Gandalf's like yeah, but Frodo has to get the ring to Mordor and they're all in Mordor, so Yeah, thanks again for establishing you can't even fucking understand basic comprehension. That's amazing Yeah, I kind of want to give him an award for that one. Like I don't know You know when again again He didn't read shit Like surely surely he surely he saw this or saw that a bit and he interpreted and thought no wait That can't be how that can't be like that can't be what Gimli's saying And then like surely he would have googled it or fucking looked at or anything But no, he actually ran with that. Yes, he would not. That's actually what's Gimli saying Oh Fucking hell Come on, dude. Yeah I've run out of insults for it. It's just like Jesus you You was just so deliberately just misconstrued in every possible fucking thing and just Just inventing your own bullshit like holy crap But but you have to and the other thing is he clarified it Like this wasn't a random thought that he accidentally let through he was like no guys He is talking about Frodo. He's very certain here. He's like sure that he's correct Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to add this little qualifier, you know, and yes, he's referring to Frodo. No, no, he's not No, he's not That isn't I'm so this is insane Some people just decide to make the wrong kind of content Clearly talking about Imagine watching nostalgia craig and that guy with the glasses crew for so long I've been a factor of it that you make a fucking video of this bad in 2017 Like holy shit, like I mean thanks for proving that lotherings can't be defeated. I guess Yeah, even if this was like even if he did this when when It was the height of that that guy with the glasses. This would still be horrendous. Like this is not These arguments are most of them are not even arguments most of them are just stupid little fucking Well, just shitty observation humor. That is not Fine. Yeah, but no, it's just not it is as Well, and then yeah, you're well when you straw man's the fans like as you know Don't read hard to don't understand anything. It's like you don't I think you're projecting so hard, man You you you don't get it. You don't get a lot of rings. Yeah, like didn't fucking watch the movies And again, I got a stress. It's not a complicated series It is not it is it is not something that you need to rewatch Time and time again rewind scene after scene and pick up little deals. It is really straightforward. It is like it is It's not the fuck it's a it's an adventure story, right? Like It's sorry about jewelry Yeah, it's It's a story about jewelry I'm I'm just lost Well, yeah, like I don't mean to inflate. I'm just so staggered by this take. It's fascinating Like this is actually one of the most insane Absolutely hall of shame Right, like like I'm thinking so like best e-fap quotes of all time Like the one that said pretend it's what you wanted and maybe you'll like it That's one of the e-fap whole of fame lines. I guess They they have the rhinos because they milk them. That's the e-fap whole Sorry, the other star don't forget he also started this whole video saying people won't listen to my actual arguments Where are they? Well, you have to make arguments. You can't just make statements. It was it was clever of him Can't be wrong. It was clever of him to push this one so late in the game because most people won't make it this far, I think Yeah, um Wow, I just that that's just fascinating. That's it's just so fascinating Wait, they got he got something I'm loving, um, I am loving all your comments as well guys who've uh gone on to uh Uh, well poke holes in in in his bullshit yourselves. Um, oh, yeah be nice though. Uh, of course Clearly is he really needs it He needs help like you need you need to be like, okay, so this argument doesn't work because of this this this Oh, yeah, I'm not saying good job and then I'm saying that he's a wanker or anything I'm you know, I know I I know I've just completely trashed in myself, but Well, I mean he's he's gotten as good as he's given he's thrown a hell of a lot of insults to people who like Lord of the Rigs Which unfortunately is that? Yeah Well, he's good one I'm sure he's in the chat right now if this is supposed to be legit criticism. It's terrible if this is supposed to be trolling It's also terrible. So it's like yeah, this is I was only pretending to be retarded. Yeah, this is just fucking horrendous just oh Yeah, this is some crazy shit and I know people gonna I know people gonna Might go jump to the oh my god, they spent so long doing it It lasted almost as long as the trilogy and all that. It's like yeah, no This is fucking this is what it takes to give a fair Fair fucking shot at actually breaking down everything because we're not just I hope people don't just see us It's like just reacting blindly just going wrong wrong opinion opinion. I I think I think I I have fucking How many hours we've done this I've spent so much fucking time actually Trying to clarify and explain this and obviously everyone else here is has as well and and Greg and it's Fuck I It is just so exhausted and then but then like people just mischaracterized is like, you know, especially Aussie more than ragged It's fucking All right, that's you know, let's have a dumb shit. It's like And we will talk about like, you know bad characters or bad actors or ever like What's this what's this bone to pick with the with the gay undertones that he One minute is it is gross the other minute. It's you know, all this really great if it was actually gay It's it's kind of a bizarre video a lot of people say like is this the worst video if I was coming It's like it's certainly up there top five Don't really funny when closely I knew I knew coming into this or coming on to if I tonight But you know, this was gonna be a bad although it's gonna be a video is trash in load of rings I was expecting the arguments about like why didn't they use the Eagles does a drop the ring in I mean Don't get me wrong. He's still got like what ten minutes. He'll do that one. I'm sure of it Yeah, that's still something like a normal person could kind of Then you're like, oh actually because a VC and D there's those are the reasons why not and you're like, oh, yeah I was well, I was anticipating these kind of like logical things where you know, it's like why couldn't they because it's a genuine question It's not just like, you know, dude, don't you know anything about Lorda rings? It's a genuine fucking shout You know, why couldn't they just ride the flying beasts and just fast travel to Mordor? And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna not gonna go into that argument. It's been done to death um but it's it's just But the things instead it's like Like let's break down the characters. Oh, yeah. Gimli's not funny. He's annoying. Okay. Legolas is is ray. Okay He's barely talked about aragon actually. He's literally I was gonna say it's odd that he hasn't talked about aragon at all Because there's so much to say about him as a character and his history and what do you mean? Like what do you mean to this story because he's he's very important and he's avoided it Yeah, well out of him aragon of aragon legolas and gimli who's the more important character of the three Who's the one that Yeah, and it's like gandalf. He's just oh well, yeah close-ups of ea mcallon's nose. Okay um Frodo and sam's and gay undertone relationship golem the Fucking hell Well, that's for me we had to take a huge intermission there because that that take was that bad like it's It put the brakes on efap as a whole. I had to make sure we understood that that that shit Is amazing. He thinks gimli almost essentially wants frodo dead in this scene That's not something like put take that out of context and be like wait What this this video argues that gimli kind of wants frodo dead. I'd be like wow I'm interested to see how that works Sorry as well I just caught up on some other comments. Um, don't forget you also started the video saying they won't listen to me I oh we will we do We have I can't emphasize enough how much it is being difficult to listen to you when you just you just so fucking wrong on like so many guards and you and again You'll use your opinions to shield away from it I think it's funny though to think about what if gimli had this weird like secret Secret hatred for hobbits this whole time Like why do you think he was the slowest to try and chase after mary and pippin because he wanted to try and Get him killed by delaying them arriving. So he was being the slowest And when he was when he came back to a frodo at the very end He was like inside he was going oh fuck this little assholes alive. Oh, hey frodo we have like This scene though that he's referring to now he he says like we have to help frodo and sam and then Give me this like fuck frodo and sam let him die and everyone looks at him and he's like Oh Get in you know Fuck let's yeah, let's go help him It's like oh my god, give me the fuck which they could have by the way Don't they get one free fuck in these movies. They just never used them um I forget they're 12a's right. I think so Were they 12a in the uk or they pee the pg movies get a fuck. I can't remember No, no, no, but they definitely get a fuck. They might get like a uh, a shit. Yeah, but no, no, I'm pretty sure. Well I appreciate it Well, the point is you don't need that anyway in Lord of the Rings. You don't know you don't that's why it's nice You don't harsh language to emphasize well to emphasize Anything really you don't need it. It's not Fuck why should we care? What the fuck They they spent three movies trying to save them and now gimli wants him to die Yeah, well, we've already messed up late if you thought that Surely you'd spend a long time on this point. You'd be like gimli is acting entirely out of character This is insane. He wants Frodo and sam to suffer and rot. What the fuck? This is ridiculous if you actually believed it I don't know why So when Frodo and sam save the world and gimli celebrates despite 20 minutes earlier saying he wants to leave them out They're gonna die. I thought I'd die. I guess he did sort of develop it. Yeah, he really does believe it He believes gimli wants them dead He has his own contradicting evidence right here. And yet he can't see it dude. Come on Like well, he thinks it is a contradict. He's saying this evidence proves it's a contradiction that we're like Yeah It's it's either a strange nonsensical contradiction or it is perfectly consistent with the correct view point I just Fascinating What about side by side with a friend? Ah, no, I'm gonna Let you right like a lot Hey, I wanted you to die. Oh my god You don't think everyone else in the fellowship was going to be like, okay So Frodo like before we did that distraction thing gimli like wanted you to fucking die So Drinking or something. I don't know Gimli came up those stairs legless went wait, you've got to let your bigotry aside It's good that he's alive. Okay, gimli. Yeah. Yeah He was like, yeah, fine. Fine. Fine. It's good to Frodo's alive. Say it. Say it. Say it with me gimli It's a good thing Frodo's alive. Fine. I got it. I got it. I'm out. I believe And also also if you read the books, what was it in the books? I did I can't remember. I honestly can't remember if that's in the books or not, but If you if you read it recently to or like whenever you did the video to to do this Surely that would have been another piece but of course it My point was gonna be right that he would all be so if he thought this was true He would he would rail on it because that's such a bad thing in this films if that were true And I thought he was gonna move on and what I was gonna say was he's not even invested in his criticisms, right? because he's he's not even Explaining why these things matter. He's just like, oh, fuck it. That's a problem. That's a problem Yeah, without even thinking but I was wrong. He does care about this and that makes it almost worse He's convinced that Gimli wanted Frodo and Sam to die and I can't believe that's something I'm saying This reviewer believes Gimli wanted Frodo and Sam to die It's such a Yeah, it is like them It's the most backwards most illogical take you could fucking take and I would you could take away from this I would love to put into question now Like say for example, just right if he was here, I'd be like just right Gimli wanted Sam and Frodo to die Is that that's my opinion like is that do you think that's valid? Do you think that's that is a true opinion? Do you think it's entirely subjective whether or not that can be verified and that I'm just my opinion? Because I because he's a big fan of Lord of the Rings. I feel like he'd be like, well, that's just not true And I'd be like someone out there thinks it is after watching them Yeah Don't don't ruin their experience. Okay, let them have it. He just It's amazing Hey nine and a half hours and we still have no character for Aragorn Okay I'm starting to realize there was no fucking point in rewatching these films ahead of time for this was the wreck Fuck yeah, we just had to enjoy ourselves and I was gonna say we had to watch Lord of the Rings like well There are worse things in life I have to take half a day, but yeah, I am so surprised that I managed to Recite so many things from it and I watched them in a good couple of years now It's almost like they're really memorable because I found meaningful Yeah, I mean I mean I will I will wear my bodies that was on a sleeve huge fan huge fan. Yeah I think we all are It's okay though because we could still be objective about what happened in these films Also the fact that like oh, yeah, Sam's the last one to come up and then it's like, you know, it's the biggest Well relief ever for Frodo that Sam didn't perish in the fucking lava, you know, he didn't burn up into a little piece of big gum And Drumroll guys who thinks it's gonna be another gay reference? Let's find out I basically like Frodo creams his pants or something about it about it calling it Hey, I want to fuck your brains. There we go. All right. There we go. Yeah, there we go Uh He's not even is he even gonna touch on the ending Oh, I'm sure he will we got time so the characters again at least gimli leaves an impression legolas has nothing to him All right, he's done this before so yeah, he has a character, but he doesn't have like a Big character development. I would say there's less to describe about legolas than there is most of the main characters That doesn't make him a bad character if that's where he's going with that. I don't know Paper with poop stains on it. He's just this perfect angel how he single-handedly takes down an entire fucking elephant And still has perfect hair and doesn't even break a sweat Yeah, look what's great. Yeah, he's a really good fighter. Um, Aomir takes out two of them himself So fuck your argument. Yeah. I know you're me. It is just definitely just a human with no aowen and mary take out one Yeah Yeah, also the mooma kill slash elephants. Okay, people get very upset when you call elephants Yeah, eowen kills the witch king of agma. Um, well, that's okay, but he can legolas can't do he's done Well, yeah, it's a triumph a moment because she's a woman, but because legolas does it You know Yeah Legolas does have a flaw remember him two towers when he he gave in to despair and he said that they were gonna die And there's no hope for him and He doubted aragorn and all that stuff like I think that's why he even apologized for it But he killed people rags. So that makes him a perfect person Hey Hitler's perfect. Yay Boring and bland characterization ever created shut up you right now aowen Wait, I mean, that's a fair reaction to what he just said Yeah, uh, is he as you're gonna do the the whole love thing without aowen? I don't know. Let's find out. Why does she have a towel on her head? A towel He thinks it's a towel Leave him alone. He thinks it's a towel Why does mommy have a towel on her head? It's a hood Does he he has he's wearing something with the hood on it right now Look, he's not he's running out of material. Let him be he's got to make some kind of joke He put on his hood for this for one of his stupid skits before I left The jokes are killing it. They're way better than gameleaves Oh, wait, what is this the the top three if I've arguments I'm guessing Is someone send me the ultimate agent send me that I mean Gimli wanted Frodo insane You get like no one would say that is like, oh you would be forgiven for thinking so Pretend it's what you wanted Uh, what a what a what a legacy he fab has First of all her acting is so bad. Look at her expression as she stares at her own father She's like sick at that point, right? Yeah, who like yeah, who likes fading because there's lots of ways to describe being very serious Yeah, also, this is a very this he's being very very serious This is her going back to tell her dad that yeah, like I know you're not gonna probably like what I'm gonna do But I gotta do it and I love you I don't think she's being kind of stewed. She's like, this is my choice. I'm making it Yeah, because everyone tells it out for her that yeah, if you choose if you choose a life of Aragorn He'll he will grow old and die and then you'll be left on his earth forever without superpowers and get Yeah, and and and guess what if you're if you're if you're happy to accept that fate then Well, I mean that's that's that's like love if nothing you've ever fucking seen before, you know If you're willing to like do if you're willing to Oh, fuck whatever. There's no point in explaining this Also, yeah, um Too much emotion Just another thing. Yeah, he references that like leg less as Mary Sue, but he likes the tlj He looks to her as well. She she literally dies and comes back to life in that film. He has a problem with that, doesn't he? Do we just look at like Lord of the Rings memes after this? I have so many I have so many Yeah Why should we care about Aragorn's nightmare about her? Why should we care about what? Why should we care about his nightmare about the the symbolic representation of awen being with him smashing? Because he is extremely invested in her and he's a character that we care about we've had three movies with him Like Seriously, it's like He didn't watch it I get that sense from the thing it's like It's just like wait, you want to like he makes this point to us. We're like, wait, wait, wait Do you know that Aragorn and awen do you know they know each other and he's like what? Oh Oh, so They're lovers They you you start the point me like can we just can we just rewatch the movies? Because I can't be asked to just repeat all of the scenes to you. I don't know. There's just no point About this relationship anyway, what are you even in love nine hours in a wheel? Why are they in love? All right, well, so it starts off and they already have been in love like we they're the romance doesn't blossom here They already know each other. They already are in love the arc in this film Well, these films is it's a essentially a forbidden love, but it triumphs overall Yeah You know their father and him being king and all the other stuff going on in the background of you know, the ring It's not a you don't need to know why they love each other because The movie doesn't center around like it is a very It's a I guess this is subjective to a degree because it's not like this is a believable romance in the way that they act And behave towards one another It's not like Anakin and Padme where you just can't see anything It's very strange and we watched that that from the beginning as well Yeah Oh god, is this nostalgia critic Needs them to be in love They're both attracted And there's a lot of admirable traits that I can see of both of them. But like I don't Isn't that why you they're both She's hot. She's strong. She's smart. She's principled She loves her father but goes against his wishes so that she she can do what she feels is right and follow her heart And you have Aragorn, of course. I mean there's there's a lot to like about this Or to like about both characters. It's pretty easy to see what they would see in each other Especially because Aragorn wasn't he raised in Rivendell in part Well, I guess my question would like he was okay with um Gimli mourning for at least the sadness of the death of barlin or knowing it We didn't know who barlin was to any of these people in a significant detailed way, but he was okay with that one I'd like I'd be curious to know exactly what kind of information he needs in order to feel invested about these people who love each other Yes, as a for instance Yeah, I I I totally forgot as well. I think I had to quickly look it up. Um Arwen does choose mortality instead by choosing to live and uh Well live live in the realm of man with Aragorn Because uh, um, he described to jay is fucking incredible by the way Sorry, he described tlj as fucking incredible I'd love to watch this video on it But no, the other the whole thing is like, yeah, our again our agon our agon and he's Remember Aragon everybody. No, sorry. I don't know. I I I I am starting it I think we're running on a few reasons now But yeah, Aragorn and Arwen Again, it's not it's not so much in the film but in the books They they they've loved each other for several decades and I think they I think they're even engaged and I'm done Go on. Go ahead. Just do something If there had been so much as a lick of chemistry between these two actors I may have bought into this but there is it they have about as much I don't know this voice. I don't I don't know it either and I don't I don't agree. I think their chemistry is pretty good Yeah, I mean I I believe the romance pretty well Yeah, absolutely. I I've never even thought to question it. I thought it was absolutely I mean they they think about one another you got the even star aspect and two towers They get into it with aowyn being interested in aragorn and he's like, oh, he talks fondly about Arwen Sorry, it's not spoony guys. It's definitely not spoony. Yeah, that's not spoony Chemistry is a cheerleader and a chess club president at the fucking prom. This is straight up. Yeah Even when they reunite it should be emotional, but it isn't because there's nothing there Fuck hamayani and ron slowly developing feelings over eight films before falling in love. Fuck han and leah Oh, so now we're going to compare it to just other relationships. Uh, right. Oh my god Right harry parr and jinny, uh, they have literally no chemistry or any build-up in the films Ginny gets just sidelined because well, they You saw my ron hamayani, wouldn't he? I know he was he was but I just I just want to I just want to add other things also. Um Oh god, I'm so tired. Um Yeah mining and ron Uh, they they they their chemistry or they or their relationship does not build up for out throughout the films And in fact ron is so mischaracterizing in the films from the books Um, it's like in one I figure which film it is Um, snape ha snape, uh shuts hamayani down He just goes, you know, are you always such an insufferable know-it-all and in the book ron stands up and he goes He he he he shouts like, um, what was the point of asking a question if he didn't want it to answer in the film He looks at harry and goes he's got a point, you know Is I remember that yeah, also shut the fuck up because I'm not even a harry potter fan and I I did read the books I remember watching I've seen all the harry potter films. There's 17 in ages now And I remember being like oh hamayani and ron is a thing. Okay. Yeah ron ron is so ron gets well ron gets the um ron gets uh sideline gets comic relief in the in the films when he is like Like definitely the stronger friend between harry and hamayani And yeah, how all it all it all of his best lines all it all of his courage It gets replayed. Well hamayani gets instead like when ron goes to in the books in a prisoner asca ban When serious black it well everyone believes a serious blacks here to kill harry um ron Stands up stands up boldly in front of harry and hamayani and goes, you know If you want to kill harry, you can have to kill us first In the film hamayani says it instead and ron just gets fucking done dirty in so many scenes throughout the films So he can just shove it up his fucking ass. He's just lying again and and on top of that He's comparing to hanan layer, which is a like that takes up a significant portion of their What you would call b-plot, I guess I'm not luke would be the a-plot. I would imagine people would agree on Hanan layers relationship is being developed throughout them escaping the empire. That's like a huge that's like I would say it's a focal point like it's it's it's enormous. It's it's the payoff of Han being frozen in front of lair is like that's a big part of the movie Lord of the Rings is dealing with a shit ton of other stuff Um than just arwen and argon like the idea that if he was to tell me Do you think the film could benefit from developing them further? I'd be like possibly I don't know what it comes at the cost of considering we have limited time. Unfortunately um To be like this other romance has more in it than this romance. I just be like, okay And he does this a lot it just doesn't really It doesn't prove much of anything. You're just like hanan layers romance is a better or worse than arwen and aragons. You like, um I don't really know why we're comparing them. Not the same thing at all, but okay Having complete the opposite That's lying the whole uh, I love you. I know it's yeah, I mean there's loads of good shit in empire empire's amazing And a regender leading them into each other's eyes right in front of our very eyes Why do that shit when you can put two characters together for no reason? For no reason They grew up in the same place When the story begins they meet up they constantly think about one another one of them makes sacrifices One of them sacrifices her immortality to be with him Like jesus christ Let's imagine they haven't seen each other at this point since uh fellowship, right? Like in person I mean at least um Yeah for no reason It's not even like these stories needed a love story line and the only defense I hear is oh, it was in the books That's not a defense No, we didn't try that at all. So ignoring that one any negative criticism rules the movies. It's in the books. Guess what the books are shit too All right Oh boy He just he just rolled that out. Okay And the movies can improve shit from the books They fucking they change stuff from the books so they can clearly don't have an issue with changing shit If something shit in the books change it for the movies. It's not difficult Let's just have his head and be done with it jugo weeding's character I couldn't even remember his name and even Couldn't remember his name So elrond is characterized by having lost faith in men completely and he's abandoning millen middle earth for the betterment of the others It's he's not a hugely significant developed character because there are several of those in lord rings as there are in every story ever Because you can't have every single character being fully developed And elrond thanks to through his daughter sees new hope in the world of men Yes He does the right thing and he helps aragorn out and he eventually he he is happy with arwin, you know being there He's at the coronation Um, you know, he's a very great supportive kind of guy. He you clearly tell he's very wise bit cynical But he's there to help Um, yeah, he is definitely a character. This is really quite interesting I got a whole section on this in my video I would like to find out as well that elrond in the book is no endear as um grumpy or the kind of like overprotective father figure in fact, he uh, he does Well, he gives his blessing to aragorn the arwin's relationship I can't remember enough to explain why they they they changed it, but I don't care now I mean, it seems to be mainly motivated by He's almost archetypal of just very very simple idea being that He's anti men and then pro men by the end aragorn's just like a symptom of that position I like aragorn is um vaguely related to alros, which is who is alron's twin brother It uh, well, yeah, this is there's a lot of detail Even he has no chemistry with his own daughter gandalf. I think it's just so boring. He's very distant with his Fucking hell one hot take at a time. So the Elrond being like cold with his daughter is entirely because he thinks that she's gonna kill herself if she can't commit to her decisions He's very unhappy protective But when she drops the book because she thinks he won't help her and she's upset because she's not gonna get anything that She thinks is right. He grabs her hands and then he looks even showed the clip of him looking very concerned with it and then elrond pops it somebody Somebody in chat also said that most of our wins and aragorn's relationship is explained in dependencies They changed it to have at least some female in the cast. That's it makes sense That's it. Yeah And it works in the movie. So okay. Yeah And oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, yeah, they don't just you know arbitrary Fuck me. They don't just throw it in just because why not, you know, let's let's make this runtime exceedingly ridiculous You know, there is reason behind it. Yeah, here we go. Uh, gandalf sucks. Let's do it He has no chemistry with his own daughter gandalf. I think it's just so boring He seems to just wander around and occasionally do something for the sake of the plot Oh, Jesus christ. I can't take it anymore Gandalf wad does around and does stuff for the plot We can't go on warrior. Do that dude, you good? A lot of characters end up just you know doing plot stuff, you know, yeah, we can worry still alive Oh He is idle. So perhaps he has been Carried away by the eagles. I mean this video defeated, you know skeptic. We can work. Can we make it? Well, he's just done them all everything and he's like everything in Lord of the Rings is just bad And that he's gone through them individually and all of his arguments have been fucking dreadful. We're just like, oh Most of this stream has been us trying to explain why the film is actually really well written That's like basically been it and it's we've used his points as a vehicle to do so That's basically it and we still haven't covered a shit ton of the movie All of three Yeah, he glanced over significant chunks of of it too. Like Like I don't even think he even mentioned like Faramia at least he mentioned the awesome mud people Yeah, yeah, he got his um He got his shitty little gripes that you know, like Tolkien is racist or was racist or whatever He got those little bullshit points out fucking Gandalf riding around for no reason Terrible character ultimately himself isn't needed at least Dumbledore was Gandalf isn't needed. Oh, no. No, no Gandalf isn't needed guys guys Gandalf not needed. Okay He's kind for his Dumbledore person gone Oh, yeah, sorry. My brain hadn't even caught up to that. It's like Harry Potter. Here we come It was interesting by the way doesn't this shot kind of look like he's butt fucking pipping. Oh my god more gay I wouldn't have even thought I just assumed they were on a horse. So they'd be bouncing around it. Okay Yeah, ha ha ha very ha ha very funny Like if we watched well if if we all watch this in um Private and like, you know, you just hit play and you didn't pause it the entire time God the the gay jokes would just get it. Well, they're insufferable now, but can you just oh my god, just Realize them like so quick one after another. It's like, you know, it's like it I think it's like one every 10 minutes minimum with him I was gonna say that's generous Sometimes he throws him out like, you know, five Yeah, yeah, he's got a he's got a buttload of gay jokes Why is it with these characters and random screams? He does have an emotional random screams random So gandalf was uh moving from one place to another at a distance in the form of a jump to rescue someone from potential death in a heroic act yelled as a form of Normally showing that he's he's he's about to fight but also possibly uh intimidating the enemy. I don't know what else to say And then I don't get me wrong as well like, you know, I'll you know, I do like a good gay joke But none of these are good gay jokes. It's literally just He just says gay Two male characters in the same scene gay, you know, that that's just it's like the most weak tier bullshit go in Oh, berry, um, no, I'm sorry. No, pippin right in the hall to gandalf. Well The gay connotations there folks Fucking hell no moment with pippin. But again, I'm not invested and I just don't Don't like Such an amazing moment and he's like, well, I'm not invested every time he comes across something that he knows is fucking great His only thing he says is I'm not invested I didn't feel anything We we could go back and do a drinking game for this next time just to I want to live No, I don't not anymore Pippin does finally kill something and that was pretty cool. But the thing about my oh my god Why this would be the pattern the things he likes. It's always superficial pippin killed someone or an orc. That's cool Oh, didn't even say does he pippin save gandalf? You know, it it wasn't it was just oh, he just killed something Not the why no context of it Not the fact that these two had been getting some pretty nifty exchanges The film's try so hard to be epic and try so hard to show this amazing story, but I just don't care Whoa, you didn't care. Yeah. All right I'm just trying to make it look epic, but it's actually not Oh Dude again, he just burns this trilogy to the ground They try to make it look epic, but it's not Fucking wrecked In fact, why should we even give a shit when somebody dies? It's proven now that they can easily and inexplicably come back to life. So no, no, he's he's a wizard They're a class. They're a race. They're not like mortals mortals Fucking hell What the fuck can't they bring any bastard back? No deaths mean anything in this. Why didn't they bring boramea back? Does he died because he died He died. I mean like it I feel that's the thing. I feel like Gandalf is clearly a very special person operating on his own fucking set of rules because he's a magic wizard angel man Um, so it's not like Hmm All right final time when harry killed the bass and this can chamber No That snake was fucking badass though. I want it to live He's so He can't even argue why harry potters Yeah, harry potter somehow fucking stabs a snake enough harry fucking potter I think Just now, I think I fucking did a better job in like like fucking like 30 seconds and he's done in this whole time I cared it was awesome here. There's just no emotional connection and it's boring and bland. He killed the snake It was awesome. That's all he had to say about the harry potter reference. Why the fuck did you bring it up? And this is under real reforge from narsil the sword that aragorn's Great great whatever his ancestor is sildor used to slay sarin That aragorn is going to use to fight the enemies of sarin, which represents His royal lineage that he has to take up like this scene has got stuff is fucking happening here Right like this. This is uncanny. It's unfortunate that no one has actually See This okay, so the beginning of tfa part three I talk about I make a I make a reference to lord the rings and it's literally this scene and everything you just said I say and explain in detail why this scene is incredibly meaningful It's a whole section and it's kind of uncanny how this is happening right now. It feels it feels like this Like if someone was They're gonna the people in chat will see my video and they'll be like Did you did you do this because of the coverage of this? It's like no, no, this was all done ahead of time I swear I might even I'm tempted to show rags it now the after this Yes, it is un fucking canny how it's one to one a section that I have an unbelievable, I don't know what else to say Yeah, and also this scene also has the dynamic between again elrond And aragorn and him wanting to help aragorn because doing that will help him to save arwin because his fate is tied to the ring It's it. There's stuff fucking happens here. Also this where aragorn learns about the army of the dead It's a it's a huge scene and if you and if you wanted to uh flex that he read the books that he totally didn't fucking do Um, he would also bring up that elrond son. So the ones who bring the sword not elrond um Yeah, it's it's totally fine change. That's one of the changes. I'm like, yeah This is arguably yeah, they they cut them out. And again, it's I think it's pure. I think it's it's Logically, it makes sense. It they don't need to be in it. It's it's just two more elves as well two more characters So much in a there's just you get practice sometimes there are so many characters in the book You just have to like why do you think in uh, why do you think in uh the hobbit? Like all of the dwarves are basically totally interchangeable Yeah, and yeah Yeah, they Fuck I don't know how you die guys do it. It's fucking hard work See smell or sense when were we ever shown that like Orcs would be able to detect the difference between all of smell man flesh But they they can smell that aragon and Sorry, it's actually hard The orcai are aware that aragon and gimli and legless are tracing them because they can smell man flesh Like, you know, they picked up our scent, you know, does this work on hobbits and does that apply to mogul orcs So i'm not sure but if here you will Oh What's the what's the explicit time he's referring to here? Is it this right here? Yeah, why yeah, he's saying why couldn't they smell that? Well, because if you're an you're an orc and you're surrounded by a hundred other orcs, you are not going to smell two hobbits Presumably not but but but this this is it now. Why would they know the smell of hobbit? No, no, this listen though. If you know the smell of hobbit, I think it's a valid point listen, no If he did actually Wanted to fucking take a fair shot at the films. He would you know Perhaps, you know Another person would have taken the well taking the shot with the with what I just referenced with the orcai Picking up their scent and then they were going why couldn't they orcs do it in this scene? And you know, you'd have a you're an example and then you'd have a point to make about it And then you could go but why didn't it work in this bit? You know, is it just plot convenience that they didn't smell them? And then, you know, if you wanted to have counter arguments like rajas said, um, you know Maybe the stench was literally a bit overwhelming for them to ever pick up any uh tasty hobbit flesh But if he's gonna he hasn't done that he does he's never he hasn't done that for one fucking minute in this I'm not filming it in his uh in his video My criticism here would be visual Like we said that man You'd think that they would have been seen potentially by all these orcs coming out Yeah, they just need one orc to look up though. They did establish pretty hardcore that those cloaks are like Magically, yeah, they're elving they're elving cloaks are blending and again I'm surprised he didn't bring up the how the easterlings didn't fucking see them Yeah, that's I think that's way worse for the easterlings. Oh, what if they're a cloak over them? And they just turn into a rock like, you know, and you can even mention how You can even mention how um Like there's a gap underneath the where where they can see the the shadows casting underneath the rock And even like you can see under the rock maybe but I guess that would um that would invoke uh invisibility cloak bullshit from harry potter So I guess um, we don't want to bring that up because that might make harry potter look bad Yeah, I'm willing I'm willing to concede on the visual of this one smell though. I don't know. I don't know about that Oh, yeah, somebody just commented to me, uh, you know, how long have the hobbits actually gone without washing, you know Yeah, they probably just smell like I stinky people Yeah, yeah, it's to them. By the way, while the army's tackling each other when they clearly have weapons Would you punch somebody while you're holding a gun? Oh, two tongues Like if you Yes, if you have a melee weapon Then obviously there will be times where you want to grapple people where you want to use your momentum to get them to the ground where you want to kick them or All kinds of different things. It's well, yeah, yeah If you if you've got a long sword sometimes it is like well sometimes the the actual environment stops you from being able to swing And use it efficiently. We got got some arguments from the previous one If you use whatever you have at your disposal if it's your fist, it's your fist That's come on man. It's not hard. Two things to consider orcs immortal probably have never smelled a hobbit before and the saraman Urukai were specifically designed to track the uh, the fellowship. Yeah Absolutely, I get you know, this this one again that if you fucking took those You could like make well, you know, you could have you could argue on both sides of it You don't have to be like, oh, this is just stupid shit You could actually have something to do with it But he's not doing that and someone brought up like wouldn't it be alert though? Just the fact that it doesn't smell like orc would be an alert And it's like dude Fucking shit tons of things will not smell like orc or will, you know, like I don't think just because you smell something strange Doesn't then automatically being like there's a hobbit nearby I don't know about that Oh, you mean that white orc that pale white orc? The funny shit is peter jackson worked specifically hard on this character stating the previous villains look pathetic, but here He did Which I Well, I just I don't think lords look pathetic Well rich Well in the fellowship you had All right, is he referencing the orcs because lords is lords still looks bad I was gonna reference, you know the water in the water the balrog the cave troll Like look assuming peter jackson said the rest of them look pathetic That's why I made goth mog look like this. It's a weird statement, but I'm not I don't know if I trust this guy I'm just putting it out there. Yeah, if anything this makes me think that he is just He's just has a high bar and he's not satisfied. He thinks he could do always do better in stuff What exactly where is guy peter? What should we make him look like just make him ugly You're gonna have to do as you're told. I'm constantly expecting him to come out with Also three arse numbingly long movies in and we're still doing the whole you're not coming with me. Yes. I am bullshit So he's like that was really quickly here at once he knows that oh, yeah, they're not gonna let me do this alone They're here and he wanted to take them. It's dangerous He's going to go and try and appeal to the undead army that a traitors and murderers Doesn't want him to come because it's dangerous as fuck, but they're not gonna leave him Yeah, and the only thing and the only chance he has of doing it is by invoking the seal deals air or not It's in what this you'll do that. He is this because he invoking the seal deals. Um sort of promise or other Yeah, he's gonna hold the oath fulfilled That's it the oath. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna appeal to their well to the oath that they made and They may say no They may kill him. Oh no, did you we're not trying to have a plot instead? No We cannot right here. I'm struggling to understand if this was supposed to be funny or not This was played for fucking come on. So, you know So, I I didn't think it was a primarily Yeah, I was actually gonna Acity of uh this orc commander. Yeah, the main thing is like he will not move for anyone And then he's like fuck. I guess I have to and that's why he spits on it Yeah, he barely moves And also, yeah Yeah, when the when the rise of Rohan come later on, um, he's he's he's he's barking orders for everyone to get back Yeah, he gets freaked out fail Because obviously that orcs will run at the first side of like with the first sign of they're losing the momentum at the battle They'll they'll run, you know, they are cowards or they are cowardly, you know Including himself. He's uh, he was he was scared as fuck when uh, they realized the riders were gonna crash into him Yeah And that's definitely uh, you know, yeah, that's right It was hilarious either way intentional or not. They had another funny line. What's the line build up and then what line Nothing All this build up and then nothing a metaphor for the movies That was uh, he said that was a funny arc But Again, Frodo has no character. Look nothing. Frodo has no character. Okay It's changed nearly being killed and captured again. We're at the end of the saga and he still has no character We've been over this. He has characters. You can't see it The spider's gonna rape Frodo. Oh, why why do you do this to me? Uh Jay Longburn could have made that joke funny. Oh, yeah Oh, he's actually like running with that. Okay, and I hate to repeat myself But again the plot the story everything comes to a complete hole and that necessarily drags out everything for as long as possible for no goddamn reason We're all just lost. We're like Yeah, you can't you can't even reference which what what bit specifically it's you know I mean we filmed so long. You should be able to have plenty of scenes to show it But no, he's not doing that I feel like this is um, this is kind of like grandpa sitting in the corner talking about the riptoids and the These things like that and you're just you know, you just kind of non-belongs like yep. Yeah, I know there Yep, the bad stuff. Yeah, man. It's it's all yeah, it's all padding. There are no characters The worst thing ever Harry Potter is so so good grandpappy. Yeah, we should watch Harry Potter again The cup that chooses people for a race or whatever I just remind me like my grandfather died before these films came out. That sucks Sorry Died before they were star wars so take what you can get. He also didn't have to watch this guy's review of it that's a plus You know, we're jokey about a lot of this but like film is fucking awesome at its best and I would argue lord the rings trilogy is something you should everyone should try and get to see if they're a fan of film like definitely get those in and uh Not according to this guy though Not a man How even when the ring is finally destroyed, there's still 40 minutes left of film to go And the sad thing is the book had even let me it's 40 minutes Let me take a look here to see Because that means there's 20 minutes between me It's probably including the credits Do you guys know that um When arrogance fighting the cave? Well, not well, I don't know. Well, it's a mordor troll or rather But when he's fighting the troll at the black gate, that's meant to be so sorrow Right. Yeah, and the original vision it was going to be sorrow on which I don't know about that. Yeah. Yeah well In the books Yeah Yeah It happens in the books um but uh Yeah, they they just changed it because they did well They just wanted to keep the well sore on on the on the tower, but there is footage of um Of it, uh, I'm actually gonna have a quick look at it. I'll quick It's the same it's the same sort of look as he has in the prologue in He's like on uh in the battlefield. I remember seeing it and I was like, I don't know No He's already so insanely Uh imposing not just in the look of the tower and the the the unblinking eye imagery But the whispers and the corruption of the ring. It's really really spooky Because you see what it does to everyone Yeah return of the king's movie actually cut down the fucking ending from the novel They cut away from the ballot one point for quite a while to pad out more time So when we finally return to it, I've just lost all the shits. I gave for the action I'm gonna give you I thought you didn't give a shit anyway You've only ever talked about how you don't care about any of it So the idea that like I didn't care because the fight was cut away from I'm like no fuck off Give me an argument instead of just telling me whether or not you're invested at the time It's really worthless even left fucks. How they're about to have the huge epic battle And they're just fucking stand there the act that they have This is right before they charge Aragorn turns around and says for Frodo This is just work this this is obviously well it never became Concept art and just stuff like that And well behind the scenes this because yeah, because basically When the cave troll wherever it's fighting Aragorn He it is meant to be saw on like this is some of the working footage that was well Saved kind of thing like see So when you have the shots where like The cave troll puts his like foot on Aragorn and he pulls out his like knife to stab him that was saw on Instead, but I can't remember why they changed it. I think I don't know it's probably as as The thing is that I think they made the right call, but I think Jackson would have done. I mean that's thing like everything is done so well I I kind of am leading on the side of it would have been great because Jackson was in the zone I don't know. I might argue that there's a reason he didn't keep it Like he knew to keep it not keep it like I could see it being awkward Yeah, I'll have to double check, but I just know that it's well it's something But you can see how um, yeah when when sorrow in the first summon comes down you see him in his uh In his kind of god like form as well You know, it's a it's a big what if but you know, I'm I'm I'm still happy with her. Oh, yeah Yeah, okay Yeah, they're just standing around. It's not Aragorn. Oh, yeah realizing that this is it lads. This is it now This is the last move we make Here's one. You can see uh the sword. It's uh Well, it's meant to be Sauron, but it uh, they see Jen the troll on on top of the actor who is like, I don't know if it's an actor or a thing to be Sauron, but yeah, yeah, it uh, no, it was it's just some no. Yeah, it was something. Yeah, that's cool This is not funny. Where the fuck was this the past eight and a half hours? They've never done this before they always just went straight in a bow not giving a shit about life What are you talking about? They know they they often before battle prepare What you criticized the speech that they had had gave before they went into bow What do you mean? Why why is it that if we had multiple battles in which they attacked immediately that we couldn't have a battle where they didn't attack immediately Yeah, oh bad bad. Oh, there we are Uh Jackson was worried having Aragorn fight Sauron would take the tension away from Frodo and garland at the mount doom. Yeah Yeah, I think it could potentially Confuse a viewer as to what the real fight is Yeah That was my mistake. That's uh, it's that's that's the uh, the third day just a seal dude fighting I was gonna say it looks like a seal dude Yeah, because you can see how long it's there too. Yeah, that's that's um That just came up in one of our when I googled the images Mm-hmm And now all of a sudden maybe war is bad. Let's come some more time now. Maybe war is bad This film does not say war is bad in the sense of like Definitely goes for the you know violence is bad But we definitely have to fight for the things we care about and this like this fight is definitely justified and we have to fight I Fuck it time for some awesome fight scenes And why the hell isn't mount doom cut off? You'd think since this is the only place the ring could be destroyed There'd be an army protecting it or every possible entrance to the place would be destroyed I think there's something there actually has an argument you think saron would have absolute control over this place Because it's the only place the ring could be destroyed What was Gandalf's plan sub the fuge? The whole the whole fit I get it, you know, you could have like a god there or something But the whole thing was that Gandalf's plan was sub the fuge. Nobody would suspect that there would be a hobbit walking into mortal Yeah Yeah, I I I could see it both ways um I do think it would be I if I was saron and I was like the only way to kill me for good is to drop the ring in the volcano I'm like, you know what? Just wall up the entrance, you know wall up the entrance Keep a keep a ring weight nearby or you know because obviously Wow orcs are reliable. They're you know, they're just as likely to fight each other than anyone else So also as someone mentioned he was under the impression at this point in the movie that pippin had the ring, I believe What yeah, yeah, no, yeah, that's um, yeah, yeah, he oh, yeah, that's right because the palantir. Yeah Yeah, you think yeah, that's what Gandalf takes pippin with him so Yeah, this is what I mean. There's this room here to to figure that saron was doing You're not necessarily the best thing but an okay thing And not just that but good point as well from chat it never could the saron that n would want to destroy the ring That's who like, you know Yeah, if it's corrupting influence that makes people Do nothing but desire it and desire it and for the last You know for the last forever. It's always corrupted people essentially Yeah, it's fair enough. It's gonna. Yeah, it's gonna prove a track record that it's almost like a fail Safe whoever tries to throw it in will be like no actually Maybe that's what because a lot of people I know he he's gonna do it But some people point out that elrond not preventing a seal door from throwing it in is a flaw Maybe it's because if uh elrond was to be the one to throw it He wouldn't be able to because elves seem to be very corruptible from the brief moment we had with galadriel In like let's consider what would happen if elrond killed a sildur. Yeah that yeah Uh that would be a bit of Yeah, elven human relationships. Yeah, you get a war Is like well, I mean from elrond's perspective This is still a win because saron's been defeated. Yeah, the ring's still around but at least like It's gonna be kept at menace tirith and stuff like that. So Yeah, it's I'll I'll take it because I mean what am I gonna do And as emily said the fail safe turns out to be correct because froto does fail Doesn't turn in. Yeah, he's he's not well, he's not the perfect hero It yeah Too much logic. Okay That has the most unnecessarily dragged out ending and cinema hits 20 minutes for a 12 hour series. He's wrong And you know what I'm gonna do it. I mentioned this to rags But uh, hey guys, I've seen just right do a video on love the rings explaining why there are this many endings It's actually good It's it's one of his earliest videos or at least it's an early video Um, it's before he went nuts Go and watch it if you want to know Because I my brain's Putty at this point Um, why there's this many endings and why what what they're doing? There's there's a reason for all of them. They exist Very purposefully and if you want to appeal solely to the time 20 minutes in is it 13 hours or some shit? Like how long is the story? Again putty the point is it's enough. I mean If you if you were to like a pair this like to a tv show, you know, I don't think anyone would have Issue with a 20 minute outro or ending, you know It's just because it's a film for that and it's it's one of the few films that does it and I don't know, you know It's it's it's not it's not quantity over quality. It's both fingers amazing Yeah, I think that's actually one of the bigger points he makes in his video is his plot versus story and at first I was like is this pretentious and it's like so Plots usually generated by characters having wants and needs, right? That's that's the the simple way of looking at it. The the goal is destroy the ring That's our plot plots completed. The story's not over. We've still got things to resolve and that's what the endings are for Um closure resolution There's there's a lot of things to explain the purpose of them and why they're so meaningful If you're sitting in the cinema like I saw the ring get destroyed. I'm done. Let me go. Just just go You don't have to watch it. Okay, just go If you don't want to see how all of everything ends up like and It's it's I don't I'm almost feeling like just just just go watch just write video about it It's he's gonna explain it faster and more efficiently than I can And I can't even necessarily pull apart each of the individual endings right now because I'm I'm uh again Brainpower very low. This has been a ride. Okay a journey. Yeah, look weekend warrior is dead Skeptic is dead I'm Dead dying We're so close. Okay. Okay, so close Everyone including fans of the film have made fun of it. So I don't really need to but I'm going to anyway It's stupid Um Okay, we're just pausing he said it's stupid. I don't okay. Yeah He's right There's room for a little more says Peter Jackson to his editing team I mean, yeah, they cut out the whole um scourge of the shire because uh I think the reasoning for that works Pretty well. Yeah. Well, well, yeah. Yeah, because the whole thing is that, you know, saraman didn't die He tries to take over the shire in like a last-ditch pathetic attempt with grime of worms. I'm oddly enough It uh, he didn't go down well because if you um So, you know how uh, Mary and Pippin, uh, drink the entmoots and then they become the tallest hobbits that ever lived Yeah, they basically become um protectors of at least Mary. I think Pippin uh, one of them Pippin stays in gondola thing for a while, but Mary um, definitely becomes like kind of like the like, you know The defender of the shire Because evil is not gone. Um, well, it's not eradicated from what I remember. You know, there's obviously Yeah, the fight continues evil men, but I think orcs and all that are gone But men could still be evil. They're still raping pillage and you know, take what they want, you know, they don't have to You know, there's not order, but there's not complete order throughout the world. Um Uh, but yeah, they cut all that out and I don't know, uh It's fang-fuck after After after all this it would just be so anti climatic just to have like that at the end or just I have that Well people complain about that because that would you know, that's like that's like at least like maybe it's word There's a potential to make it work. I just think the ending they went with, uh Fit a lot better with the story we had that's all Yeah Nice app. They're just as gay here, so I'm not gonna miss it. More gay. You came right in for a gay. You just, there was a gay. Oh boy. Sweet. Here we go. I could help a bit. I could carry him for a while. Oh no, he's gonna do it. Oh, he's rolling out a lot of gay in a row now. Suck your balls for a while. Oh, I can suck your balls for a while. Touch him again. That's my job. Thank goodness. ArmsCaptic didn't have to deal with this. He would have died like twice. Yeah. He would have never come back. We would have scared him off. Is that true guys? Is that actually his 37th gay joke? Or are you just... Yeah, it could actually be. You guys actually counting this? I mean, not not... To their credit, the acting is incredible. Well, we had to have that reference in me. Except for here when Sam clearly rapes an orc. Yeah, we're stinger. Yeah, I mean, just a whole bunch of jokes in a row that are really shit. It's a pretty damn good sword. It's pretty good at killing orcs. Clearly, you're gonna put his penis up. But... All right. Just saying, we all just saw it. Do you remember the taste of strawberries? I fed them to you on a hammer because I nibbled your ear. Wow, we're still doing this. Okay. I guess he thought this was really fucking funny. And the film clearly grew defensive of this because at the end... The film clearly grew defensive. This is at the beginning. This is set up. You frube. Like, are you not paying attention? Frube. Sam really fucking quickly rushes to marry this woman Rashes. He rushes to marry a woman. He barely goes. Missed all of the setup. Two different scenes in the opening. Missed the setup. Oh well. Barely ever mentioned. He looks at her at the party. He looks at her at the bar. Do you catch that? Barely ever mentioned. I think that was his way of being like, yeah, okay, there was something at the beginning. I better mention vaguely that that's a thing to get out of this. It's like, okay. Frube, should I let everybody know that he's not gay? And he's led Frodo... He lets everyone know he's not gay. Okay. Won this entire time. I just joking. Discord that. It's when people pointed out him marrying Rosie. I was like, yeah, he's in denial. Okay. He's just like Gimli. Brilliant screenwriting. And how did Dildo age so much in just 40 years? Oh my god, kill me. It's so obvious the ring gives people unnaturally long life. Does he think this has nothing to do with the rig? And he just really aged badly in a fit of years? Glacier even, yeah. Clearly Bilbo's got it. Once you hit 40, it's just, you're fucking, it's done. Yeah, it's downhill. It's like, who knew Bilbo was Asian? Yeah. Because how come it would affect Gollum almost? And I just want to say, while we're talking about Bilbo here in this scene, like I get teary-eyed every fucking time I watch this, because it's, Bilbo's ending here is perfect. He's happy to go on another adventure. There's the goodbyes, Gandalf's going, Frodo leaves, the elves are off on their way, the music's just, it's just so fucking good. It's just so good. No, too long. So your people say this, Brad, when I'm watching this with tears in my eyes, because it's so fucking perfect, it really annoys me. Really annoys me. Too long. Too long. But who's that? And how did Dildo age so much in just four years or so? Was it the ring? Because how come it would affect Gollum almost instantly, but it took a while to affect Frodo or anyone else? It affects different people differently. Have you been watching the film or not? Funny enough, one of the guys in chat just said that, hang on, let me just get it back up. Yeah, he may have watched the movies, but he didn't watch the movies. Yeah, I know, yeah. Exactly. Why does Frodo leave anyway? Why? There's no goddamn reason. Oh, he missed all of it. Of course he missed all of it. He does the books though. He should have known this. He's missed entirely Frodo's journey, whatever. I can't be fucked to explain it to him. I know, I know, I know. The script forgot to give me a reason, so. Just go away, Doug. You don't want to be here. Oh, I don't know. Please don't tell me. Oh, no. This sounds pretty much the same fucking mistake. Because it's a mixture of the effect the ring had on him and the morgall wound, I believe. It's just like, he has the power of YouTube, but not YouTube, power of Google, as he's literally shown us with this screenshot and yet. He still doesn't get it. Like, it's still not something that's found. And yet, he still has that take on Gimli. He still has that. Well, that's, yeah. This shouldn't shock anyone at this point. He thinks Gimli wants Frodo dead. This is so poorly researched and poorly analyzed. It's like, this is fucking beyond. QuintonReviews said that a review is nothing more than a description of an experience. Quinton, do you have any issue to take with this video at all? Is it fine? Is it just a description of an experience? Is that all? Yeah, and there's a lot of rings by chance, or...? Who isn't? You know, like, they're part of this, dude. Apparently, there are some people who take grievances with... I'm just not a fan of Lord of the Rings. Gimli's, you know, just his attitude to what Frodo and Sam is just abhorrent. The desire to see them suffer. It's fucked up. Please don't do this. Pinch it up because I thought maybe I missed something. And the reason given is that he was too traumatized by his journey that he just had to leave. One. That doesn't make any sense. How does it not make sense? What? How I want you to... I want you to... Fuck me. I need to explain to me what about that doesn't make sense. I need no. I need some explanation for this madness. I need some answers. This lovecraftian video in its incomprehensible nature is driving me mad. Hurts my face. And my brain. And my ears and my eyes. There's a lot of me. I'm just taking a sack to absorb all that we've learned today. How much longer is in this? About five minutes. We're almost there. I just hope it's like really shitty skits and plugins and, you know, please. I feel like we might be the only people on the planet who actually finished this video. And so many people in chat suffered with us. We did it, chat. We did it. Oh my God. We can worry. Are you okay? Yeah. I fell asleep. Oh my God. You were the lucky one. Another person has sleep time officially only, Feb. Two. We never saw any of that. I have lost it. Saw any of what? Sorry. So he said, if the argument is that he's traumatized from his experience. One, that doesn't make sense. And two, we never saw any of it. Oh, go away. Yes, we did. I'd be like, oh, I can help you out. I can help you out. I'll show you. And I hand him the three films. I'll be like, check them out. It's in there. It starts out, you know, not too much going on. But then it really, really as we go. There's who? It's not even like it's in the subtext, right? I have seen more than you know. You show everything else, but not a vital plot point. I never sense his trauma. I need to leave the- Because you're not paying any fucking attention because you don't care. That's why I've solved the problem. The riddle. It is defeated. Shire forever. And again, Batman runs away. He's a pussy. Luke, Skywalker or Frodo. Backage run away. They're heroes and it's okay. Fine, whatever. You just compared Frodo to what they did to Luke and T.L.J. What is happening? I can't wait for my shower after this. It's going to be so good. I'm just going to carry it. Like, I can't. So this is tough. But maybe get away from Sam. No, Mr. Frodo. You're supposed to kiss my dick. More will come. And the final. They're gay. They're gay. They're so gay. He's serious gay. I mean, after everything's done to Frodo, I would probably want to just take my no life. Like, four years. Oh, no, no, no. He's heterosexual. This is the meme again where he takes a line of dialogue and he's like, he just interprets it in the only way that could possibly be nonsensical. Sam, you came back to the Shire before and you're back now. Are you nuts? He's like, all right, then. You did it. Criticism, everyone. Did you learn something? Oh, dramatic. You've been back years. How do I... I don't understand. There he is! That's the most truest statement he's made in the whole fucking film. I'll show the video. Thank fuck. Please be the rest of the film, the video. Please be it. Yeah, I want to see some police brutality. Come on. Hold on. Christ, dude. You give a shit if P.A. Jackson's fucking directed. Nah, this is funny. You don't get it. I just don't like the movies! Oh, I know. Have you seen this, man? Oh, my goodness. He's one of the worst crimes we have ever met. If you have a knife in the room, leave it the way there. His crime isn't disliking Lord the Rings. It's hideously miss-watching them. That's all I can describe it as. He... He fucked up. He managed to watch a movie without taking it barely fucking any of it. It's insane. And it's... He's created a video that nobody will hopefully take seriously because all you have to do is see the movies to, uh... Just wow. You know what? I feel like all the people who asked us to watch this for a very long time, they must have seen it and they were like, you have to destroy this thing. It's the worst thing ever for Lord the Rings. It's so unfair. I don't know who I'm more angry at, the person who made this video, or the people who encouraged him to make this video. Yes. Maybe they knew exactly what would happen and this is some super 40 chest maneuver they're playing to get back at him, in which case, bravo. However, if they're trying to watch out for him, then like, wow, what terrible advice. It was certainly the long comb because he was like three years in the run-in. Like... The whole, uh... Well, yeah, you just see, uh... Yeah, pretty much. Like, I'm like, I feel like quite light-headed right now, but I did like slice my ear open this morning when I shaved my head, so I'm just like, I'm wondering if like the blood loss is coming back. I was going to say, maybe that helped with this. Funny, right? What's in your mind for questioning? It's too long. There's no way I'm not finishing this video if we're getting this far, okay? Oh yeah, no, no. Too many words. Wait. Was that Madam McCann's breakfast? It was, yeah. What? Oh. Last name is Spot on. And I hate. He's up here. I'll mention it quickly, but after the release of these films, the Hobbit was then made as a trilogy despite being one short book. The first film, for instance, is based on just three chapters, and it's furthermore an excuse to just make money with even more padding and filler. The first film is just the first film... Oh, he's still talking about... Better think about that, so let's just stick to the original trilogy. I think the movies are coated with filler, unnecessary scenes that add to nothing, story or character-wise, bland characters that have no personalities, awful dialogue that people forgive and ignore for some reason, but in that same respect, I can honestly completely understand. He thinks he's proven this, by the way. Yeah, I've proven it by stirring up your dumb by saying them again in a stupid voice out of context. Let's see why exactly it is so successful. I can see the appeal and I can perfectly understand why they're so loved by everyone. They're well put together. I just fault the writing mostly and some of the acting, so you can all love the films and I just can't. I'm sorry. I really am. I've tried to enjoy these films. I've watched them three times. No. God, man. Three times. You missed... And after three times, you still thought Gimli hated Fractal. You weren't... He was convinced, right? He was sure of it. He double-checked. He triple-checked. He even wrote it in his video. How did you do that? Like, that is so impressively bad. That is just like... And that's like an accomplishment, right? I can't... I'm too done to think of examples to make up. How could... I just... No, dude, you're so full of shit. That's my take. I'm done. And if that upsets you, I apologize. You loved them. Oh, thank you. I do feel good to do the talk. Please do apologize, guys. Can we interpret this as an apology for the video? I'd like to. Yeah, I'm sorry. I feel like if you want to make a... I feel like you're going to have to do something more meaningful. He needs to pay. He needs to show redemption. We need justice. Oh, boy. Rob, I'm really proud of you. You made it through them. Oh, three of them. You're forgetting one of the chief reasons. Rob wouldn't have been able to get through the films if it wasn't for Aaron. No, Mr. Rob. Don't poke fun. I'm just being serious. How old is this person? I don't know. Is he like... Is he 25 or is he 38 or 40, too? I don't... How old is this person? Yeah, why is he desperate to hold on to this? So is I. Guys were so close. It's like 30 seconds. Oh, so close. I'm okay with you dragging this joke out for the rest of the video. I don't care as long as I get to the end. I'm going to go off like now. Do Mr. Rob. Oh, no. Oh, can you imagine impitching this joke to the friend and being like, please do this? The friend being like... I mean, dude. They have... First off, their dwelling is basically Mordor in a modern world. But I... You know that thing I keep saying about why do people in YouTube videos have terrible facial hair? I feel like it's really getting to trope status right now. Me now. It's true. Seriously, like, I know obviously Mordor doesn't do skits, but if he ever fucking tried asking me to do something... Hey, can I do a joke where you're fucking me? You're like... All right. So first off, it would be you fucking me. Let's make one thing clear. All right. I would get a piece of paper and I would write a six-figure... A six-digit figure on there. And then I would go, only if you give me this. I... Get the fucking ass in this fucking... Is it? I would need to have some serious compensation to do... This isn't a powerful look for him, is I guess what we're saying. Like, it doesn't... But I mean, as long as you laughed, I guess, it's funny. So also, like, they really think that this is funny. They put so many gay comments in here. They put this. They really thought this was funny. Yeah. Like, this was hilarious. Like, they were... They watched this back over and they were like, That is hilarious. People... It's almost like Gadel bit. What? Have a fucking gay joke? Two guys fucking at the end of Gadel. Okay. Okay. No, I just want to make this video. Like... Like, do that as you want. So excited. As long as you are... Now, Sam! Don't poke us! I was being kinky! So, I'm... Hi! What? You're like, This is cinematic venom after that moment. That's what you do. You're like, Hey, that was me, by the way. Okay. Oh, that was over. It's over. No, not yet. We still got 19 seconds in outro. Oh, it's fine. You have to... No, the music's great. It's a big thing. It's a damnit. Damnit. Oh, God, friends, we're just gonna watch this. See, they thought it was hilarious. The thing is, this is right at the end of like an hour plus long video. So, no one's gonna see this. Right. Oh, okay. I hate it. We did it. So, at the end of the Lord of the Rings, you have Frodo and Sam and Mary and Pippin. And they're all in the bar. And they're all sitting there together. And these four hobbits, they've been through a lot. They've been through a whole lot. And here they are back home in a familiar place with familiar sounds and familiar faces all around them. And here they are sitting together. And no one around them could possibly imagine what they've gone. No one around them in all the shire could possibly understand the struggles and the hardships and the pain and the horrors that they've had to witness in order to get to that point. But they understand each other. They're the only ones in that room who really get it. That's kind of how I feel. I was waiting for the other shooter to drop there, yes. And one of this selection of four has traumatized the point of wanting something else to change. I wonder if that is representative of you ranks being like, you know what, that video, that's enough. That's enough right there. You broke it. Everyone around us is laughing and smiling and dancing and having a good time. And I'm just happy to have made it here, honestly. And the pain of my experience I'll carry with me for the rest of my life. It'll never truly be gone. They don't even have to worry about it, but it's something that I finished and I still can't ever. I feel like I'm going to be carrying this wound like some proto fucking dead. And like people, you've been, chat's been engaged. People have been upset. Lord of the Rings, you gotta bring your A game if you're going to come out. Lord of the Rings, the tough one. Well, I'm glad, guys, that we've been through this struggle together here at all things. Yeah. I'm glad, yeah. I'm glad that you three of you are with me here, you know. Well, apparently, the extended films combined amount to 11 hours, 23 minutes and 59 seconds. So we almost could have just watched them instead. Yeah. Oh, gee. What a choice to make. Yeah. Wait, guys, I really have to go because it's 11 a.m. Well, before, do you do your best to say why everyone should subscribe to you and do it? Hey, guys, it's me, Mr. The Weeknd, The Warrior. And thank you for sticking with us, Chad. And it was a wild ride. And I'm going to make some more videos about video games and films at my channel, Weeknd Warrior, not the one about conspiracy theories and that shit because that's apparently the one that stopped search. I think I'm still there. Just find me at, I made the most recent videos I did with Star Wars. So you could find that if you haven't seen my stuff yet. And I did a video about Mass Effect and Dramada the way back when for video games. I think that was funny. And yeah. That was a good video, yeah? Yeah. Thank you. Both part of that. You make good shit, man. And I always look forward to new stuff coming out. I appreciate it. Oh, Matt Moller, you know what comes out this month also? What the fuck? What is it? Tell me. Branding for PC. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's a... Yeah. So that's going to be interesting. Yeah, I've got to play The Lost of Us first, but I'll be tempted to check that one out. I don't know. We'll see. Have fun on that, bro. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for coming on and for for having me. All of the contribution. It's been fucking wonderful. Always nice to have you, man. Appreciate it. And yeah. Have a good day this well, sir. Have a good... What is it? Night there already? Or what? It is. Yeah, it's 10, 12. 4 a.m. Have a good night. Oh, I'll see you guys. Thank you so much for coming, dude. We'll see you around. Goodbye. Bye. Good night. See you later. See you later. Goodbye. You can do it. Yeah, I had the... I had like an hour of math before this. I can't believe... I wish I had more. I had to drive and eat and hang out with people and came back and... Right back in there. Yeah, so I'm pretty much exhausted as fuck. Brain power is at an all-time low. I think Rags and I will probably try and do a catch-up that's essentially going to be the size of an eFap I'd imagine next week and we will try and do all of the... We got a few left over from other ones and then this one as well. I would prefer not to try and do like a weary half an hour or something and then sort of close it off. I'd rather it just be in a section. So I apologize to all the people who've said... I'm very curious what people have to say about this one. Yeah, like really appreciate all of the donations. We will get to them. It'll be on Mula. It's just that I'm wrecked. This video took it out of me. It feels like it was harder than the Cosmo video and that one was longer. I don't even... How long did it take you to do that? Well, it took us 10 hours of... I'm pretty sure the Cosmo video was like nine hours and 20 minutes coverage or something. But how long was the video? Sorry. It might have been shorter than this one actually. It doesn't really matter. The coverage is obviously... Yeah, yeah, it's... It's... Yeah. But... I'll kill struggle. But yeah, thank you all for hanging out for as long as you did. Before we go, Al, would you like to, I don't know, mention who knows? Maybe one day something may come. I haven't made any videos ever, but if I did, it'd be better than this. Yes. I believe that. I absolutely believe that. I think you'd have to try to make a video worse than this. And even then I don't think you have it in you. No, I'm not that cruel. This takes a special kind of talent. It's staggering. Yeah, and I would have the common sense to talk about something that I actually know about and not fucking, you know, I wouldn't be picking up fucking like... Ah, it doesn't matter. I'm not... There are things you would do that prevent the... For example, you would probably have a friend watch the video before releasing it and then they would be like, hey Al, Gimli doesn't want to kill Sam and Frodo, just FYI. Oh. How confusing. Yeah, I mean, feel free to sub to me and make me the most subbed guy who's never made a video. It's always funny watching people who have really shit channels. It's funny me... It's funny to surpass them, but it would be funny. Oh, and of course, thank you to Armyskeptic. New blood on Samifab, he was an awesome guest, very engaged and... I'm really happy he stayed for as long as he did. Hopefully everybody had fun. Is there anything you guys would like to say before we close out? No. I will gladly... Gladly will defend the Lord of the Rings movies. Watching them over these last couple of days has been a joy there. That's really the best thing to have come out of all of this is it gave us a reason to really watch and focus on the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Yeah. It really rekindled my love of these movies and how incredible they are. It's... We clearly studied harder than we needed to. Who, but... Being overprepared, much better than underprepared. Absolutely. Because if you're underprepared, you make videos like what we covered. I really was expecting the Eagles argument. I really was. Yeah, I know. He didn't even make the Eagles argument. Every person who's wrong says that. It's weird. Because he liked to... I know I don't want to go on a drag on, but yeah, I know he wanted to like, you know, I focused on the writing because everything else was actually fine. And it's like, yeah, and you could even you could even do the Eagle argument. Oh, and of course... Wait, sorry. I completely blanked when I was asking Skeptic the question. You wouldn't have answered it by now, right? Al, Halloween versus Christmas? Or have you? No, I did. I did. No, it was Christmas. Oh, right. Right. Okay. Sorry. For some reason, I thought you hadn't. And also, yeah, I remember now. Yeah. The last thing I was on was the Joker one, but I was... It was, yeah, Heels. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Good shit. I remember. I wasn't... I definitely wasn't nowhere near as active in that one, though. Well, you're a fucking... This video like struck. Yeah. I was going to say it's attacking something that's quite close to the old heart for all of us. I hope people appreciated my... Well, much greater involvement in this video, honestly, because like, you know, well... Well, yeah, I hope you enjoyed my presence, that's all. I mean, yeah, I think it was good shit. I especially like that there was at least three parts where you would say something so absurd that the five of us would be scrabbling to talk because we're so outraged. Like, how fucking dare you? That was wild. That was a wild ride. Oh, yeah. Fucking crazy town. I guess it's time to close out. Batwoman Wednesday. Get excited. Rags and I will stream either Monday, Tuesday, Thursday or Friday, depending on availability for us both, who knows. And yeah, that's about it. But close out. Anything else you guys want to say? No, just though, I just said it in chat, but yeah, thanks to everyone and also all the guys who were there to clarify some of the bits I was misremembering from the books or had forgotten. Yeah, because I read them when I was like, the last time I read them was on a 17. It's been a while. Yeah, thanks. All right then. Good. Thanks for watching, everybody. And thanks for the support. And good night. Good night, everybody. Thanks for coming.