 Red Man Group, Patriarch's Edition. It's been a little bit. We've had about two months off, but we're back. Now that two month hiatus, that's because fathers are out there doing fatherly things. They're out there being men, leading their families, going to practices, games, all sorts of things, leading the family to greater places because that's what Patriarchs do. But now we're back. And every other Thursday from this Thursday on, we're gonna be remaining back until the 21 convention this October. Now today, we've got Bobby Dino and Evolve Phil. Gentlemen, welcome to the panel. What's going on? How are you gentlemen doing this afternoon? Hey, thanks for having me, Hunter. Hey, both of them. Bobby, what's going on with you? Hey, thanks for having me. It's good to be here with you and Phil, two guys that I enjoy spending time with. So this is awesome. What's going on with me is I leave for Romania tomorrow. There's a war room summit. I'm doing a seminar there along with, I imagine a few other people and it's just gonna be a good time and an opportunistic time to be had by all. So just really looking forward to doing that. Now, I know you're being modest and you're not trying to shill, but what is this about the two kings? You and Ivan, what were you just discussing? The Fast and Guard that just was released? Yeah, I know I should probably bring that up on like put that in my mind. So just, thanks for that. I'm here for you. Thank you as well. Yeah, no, so just yesterday, just yesterday, we released a cigar. It's a coil, a 60 ring coil, Honduran. It's called Dewey Ray, which is Italian for two kings. And it's just this big, fat, stogey, it's just one of those G sticks. When you're walking around, you want everybody to know that you're smoking this cigar. This is the one and it's got a good moderate taste to it and we're excited, we're excited to get it rolling. All right, so if you check out Ivan's account, if you check out Bobby's account, you're gonna find links to this. I'm gonna be buying some, you should as well. If you're a cigar guy, you gotta try it out. We gotta support our own. Phil, what's up, man? I know you've been busting your ass. It's summertime, getting after it. How you been, man? Man, I've been just fucking so blessed and excellent. It doesn't get any fucking better than the way it's been. Pardon my French. No, it's just been a great summer. School just started back for my little girl and she's playing competitive volleyball, so we're having a great time with that. And summertime is obviously a busy time for me. There's a lot of work going on and just stacking chips and getting ready to make some moves in the future here. And it just can't be any more grateful for everything that I got going on. So it's great to be on here tonight with you, Hunter and you as well, Bobby. Congratulations on those cigars. I'm gonna pick up a box myself. Thanks, man. And I was looking forward to getting in the meat and potatoes of this discussion with you. And it's an important discussion. I mean, we look at this, there's a lot of things going on and what I really pride myself in. And Anthony, I can't be more appreciative. He gave me this platform and he pretty much said, this is your show. You can run with it. So I get to say whatever the fuck I want. And, you know, Phil, Phil, you said part of your French. Man, we're gonna, we'll never have a monetized video on this channel because I can't keep you guys down. Hey, it's a good thing, you know, because we're allowed to talk about the things that nobody else is talking about. Exactly, you know, all the fucks are done. We're not even a minute in, it's over. We're not making money, but let's actually make a difference, you know? And that's what it's about. We're gonna actually make a difference in these men's lives. So there's a lot of channels that talk about divorce. A lot of channels that talk about custody. There are very few channels that talk about the raw, nitty-gritty, down-of-the-weeds, dirty, disgusting things that are going on, you know, when it comes to the legal, like, industry of tearing families apart. And for whatever reason, you know, sometimes it doesn't work between mom and dad. Sometimes, you know, things just out of control, out of your control happen and, you know, the family's divided. Everybody wants the white picket fence. But there are so many stories about families being ripped in half, children being weaponized, and we're gonna talk about that today. Not just that, you know, these two men are gonna share their stories and we're gonna talk about ways you can be preventative. Ways that if, look, if mom and dad don't work out, that doesn't mean that your relationship with your child doesn't work out. You can maintain that relationship. We'll be talking about that tonight. We've got a few other guys that might be hopping in. And again, we are definitely gonna be addressing all of the questions that you have in the chat. So if you've got a question, toss it out there. If you're looking for advice, toss it out there. I want to engage you guys in this because it's not just these two men. These two men have gone through the ringer. They've gone through their crucible and made it out. That's why they're here to share their story. If you're in the middle of that battle though, now is a perfect time to get advice, to get some input from others that might be able to help you out. So don't go through this thinking you're a tough guy who doesn't need any help. Everybody needs help at times. So if you find yourself in that position, look, throw it on the chat. I'll toss it on the screen. One of these gentlemen or both will answer it or myself if there's anything I can bring. You know, we'll help you help yourself. So with that said, we're gonna dive into this. So starting with Phil, let's do a quick backdrop as to what you've been through. You know, you've been through the divorce industry. You have a child. You know, how did it work from you knowing, look, this marriage isn't gonna work out but not losing that relationship with your daughter. So basically when I saw the writing on the wall and it was early on in our marriage, I was like, whoa, the facades all dropped and another human being started living in my house other than the woman I married. I basically, we went through this process of about two years of almost like cohabitating. We were like roommates. So the interesting thing is, my child was, she was four at the time. You know, we pretty much didn't even see it in the same bed, eat dinner together, anything. So basically I immersed myself and I'm able to do that because I own my own business and I do my own thing. So, you know, I was always at school, take, pick up, cook dinner, soccer, everything. I was 100% there all the time and my ex-wife chose to be, you know, hey, I'm gonna work on my career. I'm gonna empower myself and do that good stuff. So, you know, once the divorce, once things really got south, it happened on Father's Day, believe it or not. We had this big knockdown drag out in front of my, in front of my child. You know, I was like, you know, really, I mean, you're gonna pull this shit today. Are you being for real? And I suspect there was somebody dicking her on the side and that's fine because I hadn't victim in two years. You know what I'm saying? So go get it somewhere else if you got to. You know, I was actually trying to hang in there for my child, you know, and, you know, kind of try and keep things normal and quiet. So when the eruption happened, you know, I called my attorney and we went ahead and I filed divorce. And once I filed, I came home and I told her, I said, you know, since you're so unhappy here, why don't you go ahead and just pick everything in the house that you want. I'm gonna go ahead and pay for a new apartment of your choice that you just need to be within so many miles of the school so you can get her to school on time and we'll work it out. So I moved her, I set up all her bills, gave her some cash flow to half and the first night out of the house, my daughter stayed right here in this very house that I'm doing this podcast on right now. Now I'm very fortunate, you know, because I've got family that's backed me majorly through this process, you know, as far as like sheltering me and whatnot and how that worked out was basically, she got served, she got served at work and the fight was on, you know, and then once that fight kicked off, it went on for two years and it was a knock down drag out who can spend the most money type of fight. So it started when my child was about four and a half and ended when she was six and I came out on the better side of what most folks don't come out on and that's pretty much how that whole cookie started crumbling there. That's wild, man. You look at, you know, four years old at such a young age. So for you to maintain that level of, you know, normalcy instead of her just seeing, you know, absolute war going on like, all right, keep her normal. But like you said, you're serving her at work, you guys are having your throw down, but to hear it happen on Father's Day in front of the kid, you know, that's always the worst because it's in front of an innocent being. Like the kid is not a part of this. If you two are gonna go at it, you know, and this is best case, you want it to happen behind closed doors or when shit can, but guess what? That's not reality. Reality is the kid does see this, yet you're able to maintain that relationship and we'll get to that a little bit later, but that's exactly, you know, why I wanted to talk about this because everybody wants it to be sunshine and rainbows and let's amicably spit, I mean, split. But I mean, look at it, shit happens. And you know what, in the real world, people throw down in front of their fucking children and the kids see those and the only way you can remove that imprint is by imprinting something else further on down the line consistently, you know, you're always there and it kind of gets rid of that bad memory. Now with that, Bobby, let's talk about your story a little bit. I've heard some of it and it's just as wild, man, but let's go, let's do this. Yeah, so I got with my son's mom. This was, she was somebody that I started dating like right when I graduated from high school, it was like a couple months before and about a few months into it, I was like, yeah, I mean, I just wasn't, I could tell this broad was crazy, right? And I was like, I need to kind of call this off. So I did, I called it off. Well, unbeknownst to me, she had stopped taking the pill that she was on a few weeks before and she got pregnant with my son. So now coming from a background of my dad dying before I was born and I didn't want that to happen to some kid, I thought the right thing to do would be to stay with this girl. And I ended up putting a ring on her finger and marrying her, right? Well, that was the worst mistake I ever made in my life. It lasted like a year. And I mean, putting the ring on her finger didn't make her sane. Like she was still crazy. I just married a crazy chick, you know? So we ended up splitting up and don't get me wrong. I wasn't the best person I could be either. I had my own issues that I had to work on and still to this day work on. But I ended up doing my time and whatnot. And during the whole time I was doing it, I was keeping contact with my son. I was having my family from some money I had, giving him money for child support and stuff like that. Well, when I came home, my ex became insanely jealous of the relationship I had with my current wife. And she started doing all this different stuff, like to where she was making fake threats while I was on parole saying, I'm gonna call the cops and tell them you're holding my son hostage and you have an automatic weapon and you're threatening me. I mean like just crazy stuff to where thank God other people heard it and I had witness to it. Otherwise I could have been in real trouble, you know? And she put a bunch of poison in his brain too. So as cool as I tried to be with it, it got to the point to where I had to make a decision whether I was gonna let a toxic person try and mess up my life or if I was gonna let this person use my son as an anchor to where she would be able to have a line to keep trying to fuck with me and mess with my life. So at that point when it was like me risking going back, that's when I moved to Northern California. So there would be no whatever, whatever, whatever, it's like I'm on the other side of the state, can't say anything. And since I did and since I still talked to my son, but since I basically wrote the bad part of my life and family off, things have only gone up. So in my opinion, that was the best thing I could have done. The heartbreak is that there was a damage in the relationship with my boy though. Well, I think that's one of the hardest parts. And that's what most of the men that go through this, that's where they're really caught up in something that we kind of have to directly address. It's kind of, it's not really the elephant in the room. It's not the unspoken thing, but it kind of is. You've got to admit like, look, this is not going to be the, your mother and I right out into the sunset and have a great life that we thought it would be. Like here's reality, look, we're splitting up. You're only going to see me part-time, but we can still foster a relationship. And that's, again, it goes back to what's real versus what we want it to be. We've got to talk about getting punched by reality because it's much better to be punched than to be kissed by a lie. Because all that does is just kick the can down the road until it gets even worse. And I think if either of you gentlemen had chosen to try to chase the lie, it would have ruined any possible relationship you could have had with your kid because it would have been so much worse if you had waited, had like, no, things will be fine, things will be fine. You know, the blue pill ideology, you know, she's the one. And then all of a sudden it's like, look, your kids hate you, your wife hates you, everybody hates you because you decided to be the nice guy instead of doing what a man has to do. And I think that's why it's worked for the two of you because he did the hard shit and he faced it head on and he fucking came out on top. Now, with that, you know, again, to anybody in the chat, that's going on. You know, if you have questions or anything you want to toss our way, well, thanks to it. But moving forward, have either of you had, actually, Bobby, I'll let you go first on this one. Have either of you had the kids come to you and give you feedback on the divorce or feedback on what it's like to be the child of, balancing between you and the mom? Yes, most definitely. And I don't want to, I mean, on the off chance that somebody watches this video that may not be someone that's as keen to it as we are. I don't want to get them in trouble, but I've received the feedback that he understands my position. I'll just put it like that. He knows what, you know, I mean, he's got his own two eyes, you know, his own two ears. He knows what's what and he sees who's doing what and he's making his own judgments and I'm proud of him. That's awesome. Phil, have you had those conversations? Oh yeah, that's, you know, I have a little girl, you know, so it's a little bit different than having a boy, you know, there's a little bit more sensitivity there, unfortunately, when it comes to those feelings in them coming out. So for the longest time, she really struggled with it. And what I mean by that, it wasn't necessarily that she struggled with us being divorced, you know, her mom was a specialist at alienating me and playing the victim. You know, well, your dad's got it so good, he owns his own business, your dad, your dad, you know, and with that bitter attitude and that poisonous talk all the time, it really affected my child. And, you know, I really don't care, you know, if my ex-wife watches this video because it's probably gonna be a slap in the face. I hope she does actually. But the moral of the story, cause she really, she damaged, she damaged, actually damaged our child with that behavior. You know, the questions I would get her, you know, I started dating again, I waited a while and then, you know, I got remarried eventually and I dated my current wife for three years before we got married after that, after that relationship. You know, that's a long time to date someone. You know, and I put that woman through the ringer as far as, you know, I wanted to make sure that this one wasn't gonna flip flop on me, you know what I mean? Because my first wife, you know, she really, you know, she flip flopped like night and day. It's crazy. But the question I got most off was, do you miss my mom? No, I don't miss your mom, baby. I don't miss it at all. I wish her all the luck in the world, but I don't miss her. Another one is, do you hate my mom? No, I don't hate your mom, baby. I don't hate her at all. She just cannot get along with your dad, unfortunately. And you saw that and I said, look at how peaceful our life is now. And another question would be, cause see my ex-wife, you know, she obviously hopped back on the carousel and it's been a nightmare train wreck ever since. I mean, it really has. It's, you know, with a lot of people talk on Twitter and other platforms, it's like, dang, that's my ex-wife. You know what I mean? And she goes, do you think my mom will ever get remarried again because you're remarried? And I said, well, I can't answer that. That's up to her, you know? And for the longest time, you know, once I married my wife, you know, we're all living together as a family and doing our thing, you know, there was times where, you know, my child really struggled with identifying as my wife now is an authority figure in the house as a parent, you know, because the negative toxic spewing that my ex-wife was constantly doing about myself and my wife. And, you know, she, it's taken a long time for her. My wife now actually has had to prove herself, prove her worth through that time in our family. It's been eight years now. I mean, she's a long time, you know, been there, never failed her. And, you know, these questions have really died off now, so to speak. You know, as time has passed and, you know, she has matured, her eyes are opening now. I mean, she's gonna be 15 on September 11th, and, you know, she really can conceptualize what's right and what's wrong, you know? And it's, but yes, it was a trip, you know? And, you know, by the time they're in their 20s, they get a little bit more jaded too, like when they're their late teens, early 20s, because that's like how my son was, like when he was that age, like it kind of petered off, but I remember him going through the same kind of thing around then. But now he's just like, it's like talking to an adult about age, just very matter of fact. And he's just like, yeah, blah, blah, blah. And you're just like, okay, you know, I'm not gonna try and defend that lady, you know? I mean, if he's got his feelings about her, then good, good for you, you know? Exactly. So, yeah. So I wanna point out, we've got 27, I'm assuming men watching right now. And this video is eventually gonna have over a thousand views on it. And with that, when you were talking about your daughter, the tone of your voice changed, the like the fire in your eyes kind of shifted, you know, you went to a place there when you're talking about, because you went back to sitting by her bedside when she was a child, you just flash back to wherever those conversations were held. And I really, I really wanna drive the point home to whoever's watching that this conversation is not a conversation about, you know, the little trivialities of life, like this is real. This is real shit. And there are a lot of real men who are going through this and they're sitting by their kid's bedside having to answer the questions of, do you hate my mom? She's my mom, do you hate her? Do you love her? Will these things happen? Not a lot of shows are talking about this. Not a lot of people are really gonna answer those difficult questions, which is why we have to. We have to stop beating around the bush and acting like these things don't matter. We gotta stop acting like, you know, it's all sunshine and rainbow is because there's a lot of men who haven't seen the sun in a long time. And they haven't seen a fucking rainbow in years. And they're sitting there wondering why everybody's so fucking happy and they're going through this fucking bullshit and nobody gets it. Sometimes having men share a simple conversation like this is all those men need to hear to know, I'm not alone and I can make it through this. They might not ask a question. They might not hit the fucking like button. They might not fucking ever let us know they exist. But hearing these men speak about this lets them know they're not alone. And that's why we do what we do. And that's why when I see fucking six dislikes I get so fucking pissed off because we're talking about children and helping families. And there are some guys who are like, fuck the red man group. It's bigger than a fucking brand. This shit's gonna save fucking lives. So when you start fucking hitting the buttons and hitting comments and shit, understand what you're doing. This is real shit that really fucking matters. And that's why we're a part of this group. And that's why we do what the fuck we do. Holy fuck. With that said, I did have a followup, Phil. Do you think? So getting remarried, having another woman and a positive woman, do you think that's had a better, I guess it's helped your daughter a little bit better because now she sees what right looks like. She sees what a healthy relationship looks like and a healthy woman. And I've met your wife, lovely woman. Do you think that's helped your daughter kind of like, all right, this is how it's supposed to look. And now I understand why he had to leave that. Yeah. So it's interesting for the longest time, my wife is a very feminine woman. And this may sound shallow, but when I started dating, again, I specifically wanted a very feminine woman, a woman that would show my daughter how to grow up as a woman, because her mother, her biological mother is actually frigging incapable of this. After the divorce, she really let herself go. She's the kind of woman that you see now at the grocery store, no makeup, purple hair, looks like shit, drives a piece of shit car. It just has a 100% negative attitude towards everything, literally. And then my wife is the complete opposite of that. It's long hair, very feminine makeup, takes care of her body, takes care of her family first, 100%. So in our home, my wife is the first one up every morning. And she goes in and wakes our daughter up and then she's in the kitchen, she gets my espresso going and brings me espresso in the bedroom before I even get out of bed. It's ready to go on a tray. And yes, I fucking drink milk and my fucking coffee. Oh, don't tell Ed. Don't tell Ed. Hey, I do. I make those coffee so dreamy jokes, man. I do too. Fuck it, man. And, you know, she gets out here, she packs lunch for the day's work and gets our daughter ready to go and to school. And then, you know, I had to the gym and she takes our child to school. And, you know, so she's constantly in a presence. Well, for about six years of our marriage, it was a real struggle. And that is because the influence at her mother's house was, it doesn't matter what you look like. Who cares what people think? You don't have to dress nice. You don't need to fix your hair. You don't need to put on makeup. You don't need to act like a lady. And we struggled with that as a family for a long time. You know, the horse play. I mean, I got a little girl and she's over here wanting to horse play. And I'm like, no, we don't play that game. And now that she's grown up, her mom tries to play those games with her. And guess what? Mom, stop. I don't want that anymore. Stop. You know, and now she's into, you know, doing her hair and her makeup and being feminine and doing the things that feminine women like to do, you know? And it was a struggle, yes. And I just think that, you know, a person can get consumed with hate so much for another human being that it doesn't matter if they are damaging a small human being that you two created. That hate and that anger, they will do anything they can to make your life miserable. You know, and that's the thing is, as our child is growing up, I can see a clear shift from, okay, this is not such a good way to live to this is a better way to live. And it's just taking some time because, you know, they're constantly getting that influence, that poison, brown feeding. Oh, your dad, this, your stepmom, that, you know, I mean, it's, I mean, what do you do with it? You have to just put your head down and like Hunter Drew told me one time, you just got to do the best with what you got, man. You know, and that's, you gave me that one time. It was an ugly time in my life. And that's, you know, and you just got to, you got to figure out a way to combat that toxic poisoning that your child is enduring. And one way is to definitely find a woman of value and have her help you raise your child. It's interesting what you said there. It's almost as if the hate for a happy ex is greater than the love of a child because you were happy and doing your thing, her hate for you and what you were doing was more than the love she could give to your daughter. That's some powerful shit, man. That's wild. It's for real and I'm here to tell you, I know I'm not the only guy that's going through it or who has been through that ringer. And, you know, there was a time, you know, my folks, you know, I'd go to my folks and I'm like, geez, you know, man, my ex-wife's doing this, this and this. And you know, my dad's been married. They're frigging, they're 50th anniversaries in February for Christ's sake. And my parents have been married 50 frigging years in February. You understand how monumental that is? I mean, that's crazy. You know, and he looks at me and he's like, you know, some of his advice has never really lined up unfortunately because he's never been in this experience. You know, so when, you know, my ex-wife is behaving in a certain fashion and imprinting these fashions onto my child and I'm over here doing the other thing and I'm trying to imprint a better way and take away that toxicness. You know, that's the one thing I will say, I never browbeat my ex-wife to my child. Never, never, no matter how hateful, no matter how crappy she was, I never once threw that bitch under the fucking bus's wheels. Now, when she turns 18, she's going under the bus. She's going under the bus, man. Sorry. The problem is coming from downtown, man. All the tears are hitting my breast, we're going back forward. All right, so I threw out to the chat to ask you guys questions. We've got our first one, it's for the two of you. So since Phil just had the floor, Bobby, I'll have you go first and then Phil, you can follow him up. Then I'm going to talk about it on the screen now. So from Anthony, besides advice from Hunter, thanks, man, I'll just be quiet. How do you stay positive and motivated to continue growing stronger? And I'm assuming this is for guys going through the divorce, going through sharing the kids and whatnot. How do you stay positive and continue to grow? In this situation. So I would say, focus on what you're doing. Part of the biggest problem or the biggest hangup that can happen with one of these is you almost want to get sucked into the gossip about like, what is she saying? Because you want to know what's happening in your kid's life, but there's a fine line between making sure they're okay and keeping tabs, if that makes sense. And I would just say, don't worry about what that person is doing, focus totally on you and just making your mission and your life the best. And if anything, let everybody that had ever said anything bad about you that way by you being successful and then just staying stuck where they're at. One of the funniest things about, and I don't even like calling her my ex. I mean, I just, I don't even like giving her that title because it's like, I don't even feel like she deserves it. But one of the funniest things about her is that she's 40 years old, I think or someone 41 or something, still lives at home with her parents, still isn't doing shit, tried this, tried that, tried hanging on to some other guys' pote tails and using the spreader legs in order to make money. And I don't mean like as a prostitute, but I mean, well, essentially it is a prostitute. But I mean, just like, oh, I'll go out with this guy or this guy's got money or this guy's got money. And thinking like somehow that is gonna get rid of this for them because crazy is just crazy. That's all there is to it. And some guys may like the fun sex or whatever they think it is for a minute, but any man of worth is not gonna keep something like that around. So the best thing to do, not to get too off track is just to do you, make sure that you're just making everything with you solid, your kid sees it and can tell the difference, like, oh, okay, dad's the dependable one, dad's the solid one, and mom's, they know that and they see it. It's just, it's hard for them to admit when they're little because that's their mom. But as they get older and those years pass, it's like they see it and it just becomes more custom to it where it's just very matter of fact by the time they're adults, you know, where it's just like, yeah, you know, that's the good guy. So just do you. So you can take the woman out of the marriage, but you can't take the crazy out of the woman. Oh, hell no. Phil. You know, that was just real quick, sorry, Phil, because Phil was talking about this too, about how his current wife was a person that was adding value to his daughter's life, but the mom was trying to poison that. You know, my son, my wife, she's been a family friend of my family since I was a teenager. Like, I've known her like for many, many years and my son has known her for many, many years. They always had a cool relationship, you know, to where like she would, you know, do stuff with him and stuff, you know, a little kid. And that was another thing that like, she just had to crap on that. So it wasn't like he just lost the influence of his father, but he also lost the influence of another person that actually cared about what he was going through. You know what I mean? Like actually cared about like this child's welfare to where his mother was punning him off on her mom every chance she could get, so she could go out. So it's just, it's a bummer. Just be the good, the way that you'd be the good guy is that you'd be the solid guy. That's the best thing to do. One of the men in the chat said, you know, they'll know who's messed up and you know, response to them was look, then that's it, you know, kids, they'll see. As long as you're consistent and you keep showing up, they'll see who's crazy. But like Phil was saying earlier, when you drop down to that level and you start going punch for punch, or you know, you go to the point where you can't keep yourself focused on your task and you lose yourself in your mission and your vision and your individuality, you lose all that to just being, I'm a divorced man. You know, that's when the kids, now they can't see you because now you're both fucked up. Stay the course and let the other one implode. And now to Phil, you know, how do you stay positive and motivated and continue to grow while you're going through something like this? I will say that it wasn't easy and there was a lot of times that I wasn't positive and I was very weakened. And that was one of, I think out of all the events of my life, that divorce was actually one of the hardest things that I've ever had to deal with. And I'm gonna be honest with both of you gentlemen, everybody in the chat too, I've dealt with some pretty raw shit. And so, you know, at one point, I literally had to take some anxiety medication because like I was like losing my shit over this. You know what I mean? And, you know, my family, you know, my folks, you know, they had my back 100%. You know, if it wasn't for my folks backing me up when I was, because I had no one else, you know, it was me and my child and then my mom and dad, all the rest of our family is, you know, in other states, we're transplants, you know, my old man was in the military. You know, so it was very difficult. And how do you stay strong? You just don't show that in front of your children at all. 100%. You know, there was days where like I was so whacked out because of what the hell was going on and what the hell I was going through that, you know, I could barely put one foot in front of the other, but I'm here to tell you, we had breakfast in the morning, we fixed hair, we got dressed and we went to school and I did it with a frigging smile on my face. Do not, and I repeat, all you men that are going through this or about to go through this, do not elude one thing that you are suffering or you are in agony over something that you're going through, especially with their mom, you know, in a divorce situation. I never did that. You know, I never lost my cool as far as in front of my child to the point to where it was questionable. I mean, she's seen some knockdown drag outs, you know, in the house, you know, over some stupid shit like whose turn it was to do the damn dishes. You know what I mean? But the, to stay strong, you just got to put one foot in front of the other and stay motivated. There is, it's kind of like driving through a tunnel, you know, you start at the tunnel and it's dark, you know, and you're pulling through this tunnel and it's dark. And then way off in the distance, I don't know if anybody's ever driven through a long ass tunnel, but in the distance, you start seeing the light and then that light gets a little brighter every day, every day, every day, every day until eventually you're outside of that tunnel. And that's kind of like how that's the best analogy I can give to you for what it was like for me. It took time. It was a time thing for me to kind of go, okay, you know, I'm pissed inside. I could choke this person out for the way she's behaving and doing my child and then react to that. And then I lose, you know, you know, do something stupid, not an option. Continue to argue with her. Then what was the point of the divorce? You know, I mean, my ex-wife has literally made it 100% difficult to deal with anything still to this day, almost nine and a half years later, you know? And the thing is, you know, my attorney said one thing to me, he goes, you know, Phil, it's your child. If she doesn't pay, you're still gonna pay it, right? Absolutely. He goes, and who cares if she does the right thing or not, you keep doing the right thing and it's gonna work out one day. And you know, we're getting to that point now. And you know, so there isn't into it. And to stay motivated, there's gonna be times where you aren't motivated. There was times where literally I would take my child to school and I would have guys on jobs and I would literally go home and crawl back in my bed and go and just wanna sleep because I was that depressed and just like, what the hell have I done to my life? After all the other shenanigans I've done to myself, you know what I'm saying? So basically, you just have to put one foot in front of the other. And, you know, as a man, you know, it's okay to hurt but it's not okay to share that hurt with your children because they're looking for you for strength. You know, and that's the big thing right there is, you know, the kids need to see you is like Conan. You know, you need to be the family fucking Conan, basically every day, no matter how weak your armor is, no matter how long the battle is, you need to be there. You need to be 100% present and strong. And you take that motivation and I got mine from, you know, I'd pick her up from school, we'd go to the park and just kick the soccer ball and start appreciating those moments where they're like, yeah, man, this is okay. We're gonna be okay. We're gonna survive this, you know, and family support, you know, my folks, once again, I can't express enough if you're going through something like this, how important your family is because, you know, blood's thicker than water. You know, it's one thing, you know, yeah, you were married to the lady and they can't relate to those experiences but in the end, your folks wanna see you succeed. They wanna see you survive whatever turmoil you're going through and they wanna see you come out the other inch stronger. So rely heavily on that. When there's times that you can't, you rely on your folks. You rely on that on your inner core, you know, that core group of people that are there to prop you up and that's how you get through it and through getting through it, you're gonna start feeling that motivation of, yeah, you know, this is getting easier every day. This is getting better. Things are, things are improving and you start not so much looking at the crap and the rubble and you start looking at the sunshine and of course, the rainbows like Hunter was talking about. Why do I have to be talking about the rainbows, man? No, it's serious. And you know, there's a lot of guys that are listening to this and I guarantee they can attest to the same of they had a support network. You know, when this goes to, you know, for some men, they don't have their parents, you know? So you're talking about your internet work. This is why now you start forging relationships with other men. You start finding the groups that you can relate to. You start finding those. Maybe you're so embarrassed in your inner, you know, like your friends and your family to talk about your marital strife. You don't want to be the guy who's like, you know, your family's how to put together because it'll be judged or whatever, you know? So there are so many groups, you know, if you're on YouTube right now watching us, then you're aware of the sphere. You're aware of the many groups that have taken off, you know, and I'm not even here to shield the fraternity of excellence, you know, it's fucking hands down the greatest group of them all. But there are other groups out there, you know? There's anything from the guys on Reddit, you know, the guys are on Twitter. There are men everywhere that just want to link up and have their pocket. And guess what? When shit hits the fan for you, you reach out to those guys. You don't break down in front of the kid. You don't break down in front of the ex. You hold that shit together. But maybe when the kid's in bed and you're home alone and the fucking tears are starting to well up, you go online and you're like, hey guys, it's been a hard fucking day. Like I feel like I have fucking failed as a fucking man. I failed my family, I failed my friends. I failed, you know, all the goals I had, I failed. And those men will be like, hey man, but you're still here. You're still breathing. You still have an opportunity to course correct. You just got to adjust the coordinates. You know, you were on a ship. You thought it was going that way. All this is the minor adjustment. You know, look at the stars, set a new course. Now you're going to that island instead of this one. You're still going to a fucking island. It's still gonna be fucking awesome. It's just gonna look a little different, but you're good. So make sure you're doing that now. Don't wait until shit hits the fan to actually reach out to somebody. You've got these two men on here, you've got myself. Reach out now. I'm like, hey, I connected with this or you know, I was facing that. Don't hold that shit in. Phil had his parents, he went to. Look, I can rely on that. When shit hit the fan in my life, I went to Reddit. And I spoke to the men electronically. The men had never met at that point. You know, it doesn't matter where you're at when you're going through it. Have that group that you can fall back on. You know, because there's no real safety net in society for men. They don't give a fuck if you fall if you fall and shatter into pieces. They don't. What other men do, because other men get that because that's what men do, we fucking get it. So again, find your group. You know, do your thing before shit hits the fan. Start forging those networks. And if you're going through it in the, right now when you think you're alone, listen to the stories being told. All right, pay attention. And again, for the chat, if you're going through shit and you wanted the men to talk about it, we've got roughly 30, 45 minutes left. So get that questions out there. And the next thing I wanted to talk about besides support networks, for men that are going through this, maybe you can tell your personal, you know, story. But are you upfront? You know, when you're like, all right, in a few months, you know, this thing's ending. We're getting divorced. It's happening with your kid, or were you private about it? You know, you went through the whole proceedings and then in the last day when you're like, all right, we're splitting up. So the kid's obviously needs to know, did you wait to the last moment to tell them like, hey, your mother and I, it's not working out and we're getting a divorce. And Phil, you went last or Bobby, he can go. I, my son at the time was a real, real young, I don't even think he was too, he wasn't even too yet. So there was no conversation like that. And even if he was older, I don't see the point doing that to a kid at all, to be honest with you. I don't, I don't see why to put him through the turmoil of some situation that's like being extended and drawn out. Now every day for them wakes up just like shit. You know, I mean, you're just putting them through something to where I would, instead of like peeling the band-aid off slowly, I would just be at the point to where it's like, okay, you're like, you're about to go and you're like, hey, come here kiddo. And just be like, yeah, dad, he's gotta go stay here now. And this, hey, it sucks, man. It does suck. When Phil was talking about being depressed and having bad feelings, I have those feelings for my son really bad, mainly because I didn't have a dad growing up and now I felt like I was ruining some other kid, some other boy's life, you know. So I can understand that. He had his parents as a support system. I didn't have a support system like that and eventually ended up in prison a couple years later. But for, you don't, just because your life is suckin', you don't want theirs to suck, you know, that's like what she's thinking. That's like her mentality is like, I'm gonna make it fucking shit for everybody. Poop rolls downhill, you know. That's like that type of thing. You don't need to do that. I would just try and keep the child out of it for just as long as humanly possible and then make whatever play you have to make. What about you, Phil? Tell him immediately or wait until the last second to pull that bandit off? Well, basically, you know, like I said, it'd been nuclear for so long over so many stupid little issues in front of our child, you know, to the point to where it was like, she obviously wants to argue, I'm gonna go do something else. The, you know, when it came time for it and once again, I moved that person out of the house. You know, it was the first night, I'll never forget it. You know, I told my ex-wife, I said, okay, look, you know, she's not going to that apartment. You know, she's gonna stay right here at this house. This is her home, this is her bedroom. This is what she knows. She's going to school tomorrow. We're gonna keep on this. We're gonna keep her on that track and that's that. You get out, you come back at eight o'clock and it's time for me to tuck her in bed and we'll tell her together that you're not going to be here tonight. And I'll never forget that conversation as long as I live. Because, you know, my child was like, whoa. When I said, you know, hey, excuse me. I said, hey, I need to talk to you and here's your mom. She came in the room and I told her, I said, okay, so here's the deal. You and I are gonna stay here tonight and your mom, she's gonna go live somewhere else. And this is the first night of many nights that it's gonna be that way. And the look on her little face was like, you know, she couldn't conceptualize it because even though it was so poisonous between the two of us, she could not figure out why her mom was not gonna be there. And I said, so you grab a book, we're gonna hang out here. And she grabbed her book and I looked at my ex-wife and I said, now you go ahead and tell her good night, I'll leave the room. I left the room and let her tell her good night whatever she said to her, I don't know. And then I went back in there and we read a book and then I just stayed with her till she fell asleep. But she asked, well, where's my mom going? She asked me that about 30 times. And I said, well, she's really close and you're gonna see really soon. I'm gonna take you there, I promise. She goes, okay. And I said, well, we're gonna go to school tomorrow and it's gonna be okay. And so you gotta remember, this is a four and a half year old child, you know? So that was a week after Father's Day, you know? And I'll never forget that as long as I live. The hurt in that child's face was just, it messes with me to this day. I'm not trying to like be all emotional or anything in front of you, Gents, but the moral of the story is is that I'll never forget the look on that child's face ever, ever. Like I've seen some harsh shit, but that's like one of the harshest things I've ever seen and had to deal with. And I think that is that moment in time in my life really sent me down a spiral of being really upset because you're right, Bobby's right. Well, what am I fucking this kid up? And what am I doing here? You know what I mean? But at the same time, it just can't continue to be just pit vipers and scorpions all the time. It's gotta be chill. You know, this kid's gotta develop into a human fucking being here. So I kept it, we kept it private until the night she was gone. And you know, when she was here moving her stuff, actually me and my employees moved her. So while she was at school, while the child was at school, we moved everything she selected from the home. And you know, I went and picked her up from school. We went to the park. So it was like, we did not come home till dark and then had dinner and then I put her in the shower and then it was like, boom, you know, then her mom came over and that's how that. So I'm more of a keep it private until, I think, you know, no matter the situation, whether you rip the fucking bandaid off or you keep it private, it's wretched. It's a wretched thing to even watch or be a part of. I remember my boy telling me from that young age, I want to come live with you. And that was the thing that used to kill me. Cause like, I would think like for a kid to like want to go away from his mom, like how bad does it have to be, you know? And this isn't like a kid that's rationalizing. He was two, three, four years old at the time. It was just that desire, you know, like you wanted to be with me. And the thing that really bothers me, and this is what you'll happen and you'll see with some of these party girls or these women that now that they're divorced, they're all of a sudden they're like the shit that needs to go out and you know, go out four or five nights a week. But it was like, that kid never knew whether he was coming or going. Like I'd take him as much as I could get him, but it was like, do you want to babysit him? Do you want to babysit him? And if it wasn't me, it was her mom or her cousin or whoever, but it was like he never had the thing of knowing where he was going to be at from a young age. And that's something that always tore me up because as Phil just pointed out, they have to develop and how, like you put a plant in the ground, right? If you were to keep just pulling that seedling up, everything would just die. It wouldn't grow. And that's like the same type of thing that you're doing with these kids. And it's awful. And it's a real awful thing to have to go through. It really is not only for you, but I mean, more importantly for them. It's, there's no wind in anything. One of the ways I can tell if the conversation is, it's needing to be had is kind of how I feel when I'm going through with my guests and just listening to this, that the raw just reality of what's going on, especially with the kids, which are innocent beings. It's like they're kids. It's like you look at a puppy, you look at a kitten, you look at a child, like they're just the most innocent, pure thing in the fucking world. And to cause them harm or any even psychological strife is it's just fucking wrong. Like there's something wrong about that, but there's so many men who hear you guys talking about this, which fucking sucks. Like I broke my fucking pencil, trying to fucking just listen to you guys. And, but they need to, they need to hear that too, because they face that shit. They're like, fuck. We've had a few gentlemen inside the chat already share, you know, that's exactly what they've gone through. There's a son saying, hey, I want to come home with you. They're sitting down with their daughter. Why can't we be a family? They're like, what the fuck? Like those are really fucked up questions and the kids don't know what's going on. They're confused. And to them it's mom and dad to the end, yet here I am fucking like, what the fuck? But that's why we need to talk about it. Even though it fucking sucks. Now those guys, all right, they can talk about it. When you speak it, when it becomes a thing outside of your body, it's not just this fucking pressure and rage inside of you. It's like, all right, okay, these guys, let me talk to those guys, all right, cool. I can say the thing, it gets out of my system. I can speak, my heart isn't heavy, my soul can fly. I can fucking breathe again. You know, I don't fucking hate the world. Food doesn't turn to ash in my mouth anymore. You know, but for a while, that's all you have. It's just darkness and fucking pain and sadness. And I mean, if there's anything to come from this show at all, you know, it's that you can make it through that as long as you keep fucking going forward. Because I mean, you two gentlemen have shared very fucking rough stories, but you kept going forward, which is kind of a theme between the two of you is you just kept going. You didn't quit even when you're like, fucking, I'm gonna quit and you're gonna lay down and think about quitting, you didn't quit. You know, and that's the worst case to me is that the dad gets so despondent and so like lost in that abyss that he's like, there is no positive to this. And that's when you hear the stories about the man who fucking goes up and he shoots this, the mom who won't give him custody and then he blows his fucking brains out and now that kid goes to having no parents and has nothing, it has no father and has no mother. It has no guidance whatsoever because the father lost his fucking mind because the system was against him, the woman was against him, his child was weaponized against him. And all he wanted to do was hug his fucking daughter, hug his son, hug his son and daughter. What are the fucking cases? All he wanted to do was be there with his children and it was kept from him. And I can't, I don't know what I would do. I've never gone through this and that's why I really wanted you gentlemen on here because you can give real world examples and experience, but I don't know what the fuck I would do. I just, I tried playing with the 1F game while the two of you were speaking, I'd fucking go ballistic. I would lose my fucking shit and I fully understand the guys who fucking go like postal. I get it. What you're talking about going postal, which is, I mean, those actual incidences are few and far between, but let's talk about something that's much more detrimental to society and way more common, okay? And that's the dad that doesn't have any type of moral system like Phil or I does and goes, fuck it, I'm out. I don't wanna deal with this bitch. And now that kid, because of whatever relationship and because this dude being an asshole, now that kid's fatherless, whether it's a girl or a boy. And that happens all the time where dudes just walk. I don't want nothing to do with this kid because of, I mean, it's because of what they're lacking inside ultimately, but they blame it on, you know, all this broad do, do, do, do and walk. And that's the real tragedy because then you've got these unguided people growing up and I can speak this from my own experience and from what I saw over the course of a decade, who just go out and wreak holy hell on society. They're just time bombs and someone's gonna get messed up. And that's the real bummer because it starts very young. Now that leads very well into the next topic, which was custody issues. You know, we've got a few guys say, I've got 50, 50, it's still hard, a few guys, they have just a weekend, you know, it's kind of like National Guard one weekend a month, two weeks a year. Like that's the custody of their kids and it's fucking terrible. But for some, for whatever reasons, that's the position they found themselves in. Maybe they made some mistakes, maybe whatever, courts, whatever. Advice to give those men, you know, and there's one of, and there's definitely a brother that's in the chat right now specifically thinking of who has shared custody. And Phil, I think we've spoken with him about, you know, doing the best you can with the time that you have. But I mean, for those guys who only have a weekend a month, you know, or maybe they travel for their job. So they've got, they're always gone during their other week. So that's why they wipe that full, you know, 90% custody, whatever, you know, what advice do you have to those men? Well, in my current situation right now, I've got what's called in the state of Texas, joint conservatorship and we share 50-50 custody. And in the divorce, finalizations and process and all that stuff, you know, I put our child through private school. She carries the insurance, okay? And I elect private school because I have zero faith in public schools. Let's just face it. And so she's supposed to carry the insurance. You know, we split all the medical bills, 50-50, you know, the child's at your house, over at your apartment, okay? You need to be responsible for school lunches, school uniforms, you know, basic necessities. When she's at my house, I need to do the same thing. Okay, well, what happens when that child grows up a little bit? Let's talk about that. So we're talking like youth sports. Oh, you're gonna pay half of that? No. What about school lunches? This lady has a balance, because I run a spreadsheet. She's got like a $1,300 balance for school lunches with me right now. And refuses to pay him. It's a lot of people for Friday's, man. Let me tell you something else. Team sports, uniforms, soccer cleats, soccer balls, private coaches, physical, she goes, my daughter trains, you know, with a trainer to build muscle, you know, private soccer coach, volleyball coaches, volleyball tournaments, soccer tournaments. That lady has kicked down less than 1% since our divorce for all of that. School uniforms. This year, she's stalled all the way out. She has completely popped a clutch and my child's actually wearing uniforms that I've purchased. So I told my wife, I said, look, you need five skirts, five shirts, two athletic uniforms. Make sure we have everything we need. She can take them to her mom's and bring them back and we can wash them. And you know, my wife's like, you know, that's some crap. She needs to throw down and do her part too. And I'm like, she's not going to. Insurance. She's job hopped the entire time we've been divorced. She's had nine jobs. She's averaged about a job a year since our divorce. And there's been serious lapses in insurance, okay? And to the point to where it's like several times, like four times as a matter of fact, the child hasn't even had insurance. I'm like, what are you doing? And she's had to go and buy some little group PPO until she got a new job. And you know, here's the deal. Just because the paper says you have 50-50 custody, just because the paper says you have to do something, doesn't make the other person do it. They're either going to do the right thing or the wrong thing when it comes to the kid. You know, and I'm fortunate, you know, I don't pay child support. I don't pay alimony. I don't pay any of that crap. I told my lawyer I will dig, I will sell everything down to the last hammer to not pay child support. My dad had to float me money to make sure I didn't pay child support. I'm dead serious. I'll say it right here. My dad financially backed my divorce and it wasn't even his fucking divorce, you know? And guys that only see their kids one weekend a month, what can you do? Man, as much as you can in that short period of time, you do everything you can and you do everything 100% right because the other 27 days you can be a fuck up. But those three days right there that weekend, you better be doing the right thing and being 100% all over everything. As far as not seeing them for the other 27 days or during the week, bullshit. You got school activities, school functions, sports. Get those kids signed up. That's one thing I did. I stowed my ex-wife in with you sports. Okay, you gonna be a jerk? Well, I hope you're not busy for the next three weekends because we got tournaments and they're out of town. Enjoy the drive, she's with you. You just gotta learn to find the light at the end of the tunnel. You know, and that's what you gotta do. And that's it. Bob, you have anything you wanna add to that? You know, I can't even remember exactly what the original question was. Excellent, excellent. That's how good of a job Phil did. I forgot what the fuck I asked you. I was hoping you'd pick it up if I threw it your way. Yeah, no, I just, I had to shield myself from that one real quick. No, in California, they lean very heavily in the woman's favor, so much so that it's a farce on what men's rights are during a divorce. Even after a divorce, like when you're in family court and you're having to do different, because when my divorce went through, my ex-wife filed that while I was in prison. Even though we had been broken up a long time, it's like she waited until I was gone, you know, to do it. And so being that I'm sitting in a prison, I can't have physical custody of my son. And I can't have shared custody because what am I gonna do? I can't do anything. That's the way the state looks at it. So she got soul everything. And when I came home, there was some other court stuff to where I had to do my own, from, and I had learned this by doing it for other people while I was inside, but I was doing my own paralegal work, my own court, like getting, going to the courthouse and getting the blank forms. Hey, can I need this, this, this, and this? And like filling it out myself. Well, meanwhile, when I'm going to court, she's got two special counsel appointed to her. So like I'd literally go in and sit on one side of the table by my lonesome, and it was her with two lawyers given to her by the state because she didn't have any money. But I mean, she had it. And the funny thing was I still ended up winning anyway because I just had a good solid case for it, you know? But it's, things are stacked towards men as it is, especially if we're gonna use what we're going for or what we're going by with society today and kind of how we see the political beliefs are and how everything should basically be given to a single mother anyway. The dad's kind of automatically looked at as the villain in the picture by a lot of people. So you're already got the stigma that you have to kind of battle anyway. The best way to keep it going to where you're still gonna be the guy that's looking good and the guy that comes out looking better is by spending that quality time with your kid that your kid is obviously missing from the other half. They get that and they see what you're doing versus where they're having to go to, when you can make that contrast between night and day, there's no question on who the child is looking at as their protector and the one who's guiding them. Now, do you think there's a difference between dealing with a son and dealing with a daughter, whether it's 50, 50, week in a month, you know, whatever the schedule is, do you think dealing with a boy in divorce and dealing with a girl in divorce is a different approach, a different tact? Are you asking me? Yes. We'll let you take this one and maybe Phil will forget the question and he can go next. No, thank God I don't have to do this divorce thing with my daughter. We've got a really strong little threesome family unit here that where we've traversed the state, we've made the impossible happen and I love this group. I will say this in general, boys are a little bit more rambunctious so you can kind of point a boy in a direction, they're almost kind of like puppies, right? So where you can point them in a direction and just kind of let them go, right? And they'll just go with whatever you're giving that push behind them to where girls ask a lot of questions and girls are like, it's like a way more psychological warfare type thing. From what I've noticed with my daughter, you can't do that with them. You can't, they don't have that same kind of young adventurous boy. They want to know why on everything and reasoning and so in that sense, I can only sympathize with my bro, man, because I like going through that with Sophie, yeah, there would be a lot of questions, for sure. Phil, how was it going through with the girl? Was it, was it how Bobby said kind of like a cat that is inquisitive as opposed to a dog who just runs straight? Absolutely, here's the deal. My wife just pulled in the garage, so my dogs might bark, so I might have to mute my mic for a second, okay? They fucking go. Dogs, baby, you get it. That's why I have a shed. No, but the, yeah, she definitely, yeah, they want to know the details, exactly. And, you know, even though as men and we're mature, as mature men, we operate on logic. Young girls, especially, you know, preteen, they are very, very inquisitive and want to know every little reason, every little thing, why, why, why, why, tell me why, tell me why, tell me why. And you can't never get tired of answering the whys. You just have to be creative in your answers. That way, you don't further damage the situation. And I can't believe these dogs didn't bark, these lazy mutts. I heard the door. You have a terrible alarm system, man. Did they get up? Did they still sleep in? It's a hundred degrees here, man. So these things are like, boom, off duty. It's how it is out here right now, too, man. It's just dying. That's why I'm sitting here wiping the sweat off my forehead. So I turned the AC off because I didn't want any background noise. And there's said, man, like I insulated the fuck out of it. So I'm just like, oh, my God, I'm trying to be cool right now and I can feel the sweat running down my spine. The things we do for our people, for the people to know. All right, we got lights on us all that. I've got one more topic to talk to you guys about, but I kind of want it to be the finisher because it's solid and it's going to let the men who are watching this leave here like livin' a fire in their soul. So before we get to that though, I asked if they had questions. We did get one to the question here. Curious how, as a father of two girls, how do you raise them? I'm not a woman and they can't trust their mother to teach them what they should know. Now, Phil, you kind of answered this with your lady, your new wife, you know, who came in and you've had her probably to be feminine to display those qualities. And Bobby, you've got the new thing going where even with your daughter, you know, you've got a solid example for her to follow. But what about the fathers who have daughters that don't have wives or girlfriends? Advice. Okay, do you want to go first? Sure, how would you approach it if you didn't have your lady? If I didn't have my lady, you know, I would still, let me think about that for a second. That's a good one, man. You know, obviously I'd have painted toenails. And, you know, it would be- You'd be living in California. There you go. I mean, I gotta do what I gotta do. You know what I mean? So to get her to follow that feminine role, you know, I would immerse her in situations, you know, like our daughter, she goes to camp for four straight weeks over the summer. It's an all girls camp. So on the cool, it's almost like finishing school. They learn, they teach them etiquette, you know, and it's all girls. And so I would immerse her, your children, especially little girls, in situations where they can be surrounded by other girls. Okay, and I'm talking about the right kind of girls, you know, and definitely be picky and choosy with the parents that you associate with and their children. You know, if you see your child has a friend and mom is, you know, wearing sweatpants around the house and a baseball cap and no makeup and doesn't take care of herself. And that's probably not a feminine influence you want on your child. You know, so, you know, there's a multitude of things you can do as far as, you know, gymnastics, dance, cheer, all that. Those are all very feminine sports that you can immerse your female children in. And believe it or not, that's a good place to pick up women too. Yeah, I'm that serious. That's how you get the girlfriend. I'm just being honest with you, you know, and then it's like, boom, you're hanging out with the ladies, I know you're a man or whatever and oh, this sucks, I'm having to watch my child tumble. But you can actually have a good time and then those are good feminine influences as well. You know? I think they're flexible too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that would be one route other than camp. You know, camp is an important part of her life. You know, she's actually intense in summertime when she's a little bit older, going down and being a counselor in between high school and college and I'm all for it. And so it's just trying to find those feminine influences because it's tough when you're a man, you know? You know, there's a single dad at my child's school right now and her friend, she's really close with her. His daughter, you know? And I met him at the volleyball game the other night and he's like, hey, I'm so-and-so and you know, I'm a single dad and my children live with me and I'm, oh, that's great. But my wife and I have come to the determination that we think that his child, his daughter's had a hard time making friends because you know, oh, you're a single dad. It makes it tough to have friends over for sleepovers and stuff like that when there's not a female presence in the house. It just makes it harder, you know what I mean? And people can be judgy judgy even at private school, you know? But I can sense that they've been through the ringer a little bit as far as making friends. And you know, so you gotta figure out ways to combat that. So if you don't have any kind of female friends that can host, you know, you need to get some and you need to do girls nights that way, you know, and have these female friends say, hey, you know, I mean, I'm a single dad, I got two daughters and you know, you got your shit together and I know we're friends, but I really need some good influence and I guarantee you these ladies would be more than willing to give you a hand because women love hanging out with little girls. I don't give a shit who they are. You just need to make sure that they're right once. I think that's a good vetting in itself is if the woman likes to hang out with young girls and they do their hair and hang out and you'll be girly with them, like that is a good sign. If you find a woman who's like, I don't like little girls, fuck away from me then, who the fuck are you? Something's wrong with you. Yeah, where the fuck planet did you land from? You know? That's him, dog, who doesn't like dogs? Doesn't like cats, it's wrong with you. Bobby, do you have anything you wanna add to that? Froth is raising girls without a feminine presence? When I did my speech at the 21Con Patriarch. A killer fucking speech, might I say. Thank you, man, I appreciate that. Thank you. No, but when I did that, there was a part in there where I spoke about these boys that didn't have fathers and how we can combat this epidemic that turns into these young juvenile, these men that never made it out of their juvenile years and are just acting reckless out in society. And one of the things I suggest it is, is that if you're a person, like let's say your sister or your cousin or somebody does have a son and it's someone to where you could safely access that kid, like the gatekeeper to that kid isn't some crazy broad, spend some time with that kid. You never know what that little ripple that you're throwing in that pond, like what it can be years later. Flip side with that, same thing with a girl. If you've got a sister or a cousin or somebody that's like worth their salt or a family member or a good friend who you feel is like someone that could be a good influence, then maybe reach out and be straight up with them. Just be like, hey, you know, since this has happened, I just don't really feel like she's getting that good influence that she could be getting. And I see you as someone that could be a positive influence in their life and maybe if I threw you some money, you could take her on like a girl's night out once a week or a couple of times a week or something, you know, offer to pay for their dates or whatever. I mean, just something, right? Because that's a big deal, even more so for these women because of those hormones that are happening with them anyway, it's like they can so easily just go crazy if they aren't guided in the right direction. And you wanna have that good influence because we see, especially in my home state, what this, what the over liberated, I can do anything I want and there's no consequences for crap type girl looks like and acts like. You can see that from here. And that's not the answer. The answer is getting that kid with somebody that's gonna impart some proper wisdom and morals. That's fucking awesome, man. I think you fucking just slamed the fucking nail in the head. So when we talk about, you know, the responsibility and the burden of performance and all these things, it doesn't end because your child does not have a penis because you're a man and you have a daughter does not excuse you from her upbringing. It's not like the mom is supposed to take care of that. Mom's out of the picture. Oh, well, sorry for you, you know, you're on your own now. That's not how that works. Taking that burden of performance, throwing it in your back and going forward and like, Hey, first off, you should be confident speaking with women. So, Hey, attractive woman, you're attractive. You're very feminine. That's great. You've got these great qualities. I love my daughter to have, you know, we've known each other for this long. You know my daughter, you know me. I was wondering XYZ, what do you think about this? That was perfect. I mean, going out there and being that active role model and that bridge for your daughter, you build the bridge and the daughter can walk across it to meet that person to go in those dates, but she never gets to meet them. And this kind of goes to Phil's point where people are judgy, you know, people do kind of throw up that wall. You've got to knock that down so your daughter can walk through. It's not about you. You might not even get the dates. It might not be about you hooking up with the mom as much as you help and connect with the mom, you know, and the daughter can come in and meet maybe that woman's daughter, their friends, cool, go hang out, do hair, makeup, talk, what do the fuck girls do? You know, go do that and have a good time. And when you come home, that'll be here. And you know what? I'd love to hear about your night. And you know what? You got to hang out with the girls and you come home and cool. She gets to have kind of her right of passage to a womanhood and you're sitting there, you know, just ready to build another fucking bridge where you need to do or where you need to for your child. You know, that's, I think that the combination of those answers is fucking perfect. And again, that's why I wanted to have this conversation because there's a lot of men probably who are going to these things and they've never even thought, oh man, they would not be weird of me to ask if my dog can hang out with them, you know, let's see the girls practicing and you just walk to the side, hey, Mrs. whatever, what do you think about? And then you all of a sudden, your daughter has a friend. Your daughter has a mentor. Your daughter has a whole world which you can express that feminine beauty without dad sitting over there like fucking stroking his beard, like I don't fucking know, like I don't know how to do a bow or French braid or whatever the fuck, you know? That was excellent. Also shout out to Jimmy G, who was fucking dropping god damn solid questions. He gave a huge super chat, guys fucking killing it and he's fucking gotten jacked in the past few fucking months. I saw him the other day, he's at the FOE meetup and the dude walks in fucking shoulders back arms blowin' out and like, what the fuck have you been on? So just between Patriarchs and FOE, the fucking dude was killing it. So he's one of the dudes who walks in. I want Jimmy. Dude, he's killing it. So he's one of the guys doing a lot of Jimmy. He's like, hey, what's up? All right, the last thing. So guys, if you've got questions, throw them out, you're running out of time. The last thing I wanted to present to the two of you and this is kind of to help leave these guys with a kind of a game plan going forward is preventative measures. So a lot of this has been corrective. We've had a lot of conversations about men who've already gone through and are dealing with it and how to approve. I want to talk about preventative. These are the men who maybe they're in a rough relationship right now. And they're like, look, I might get divorced. I don't know. But what can they do now to maintain the relationship with their child? So it ends up flourishing and being, you know, maintained even though the relationship with the woman has been broken. So preventative measures for the men who think and they might get divorced, men who are in the process right now, they're like, look, I don't know what the fuck to do. I'm frustrated, I'm angry. You know, what can they do? And Phil, you told an awesome story that we're not going to go into specifics, but I mean, my heart is fucking smiling for you. So ways to maintain a positive relationship with your child, even when dealing with, you know, the hell of divorce. And Phil, I'll let you go first on this one. Right on. The biggest thing I can tell you right now is, you know, your accessibility to them. You need to be there with a smile on your face and you need to have a soft voice and you need to be able to, you know, correct them when they're messing up, you know, and work with them depending on the age. You know, my daughter's just gonna be 15. So it's now, I don't break her chops anymore. We sit down as a family and have discussions about the choices she's making. And it's hard because I'm like, hey, you know, you're not in trouble. We just need to talk about this and get it worked out. You're gonna make many mistakes. And when you make the big ones, I'm the guy you need to come to. And that starts with an early age, you know, the preventative things you can do when you're starting to, if you're thinking about going through a divorce and you have children, I would say spend as much time as you can with your children before you actually pull the trigger. Number two, be the first one to file. I don't care if you live in California. If you're the first one to file and you tell your lawyer, hey, temporary custody file, file and first, that's what I want, no expense. I don't care, borrow money. Be the first to file. That way you have first possession of the custody until the first court hearing. So you got two weeks to three weeks of keeping your children from getting completely frigging brainwashed and parental alienation hitting you square in the face. Oh, well, your dad this, your dad that, you know, be the first to file. That's a preventative measure right there in itself. That way you have possession of them for the first two to three weeks. And just until the first hearing, you know, and then they're gonna set some sort of visitation up. The, another preventative measure you can do is, I don't care how tired you are or how busy your job is, you get there. Someone else has been picking your kids up from school because you're at work. You need to talk to your boss. Hey man, I'm about to throw a grenade in my marriage. It's on the rocks. I really need some concession here. You need to let the people that you work around know that you're gonna be absent because you're gonna be busy being a dad. That's a, that's a big one right there because you just go, oh, one day, you know, Jim Bob's not here. The next day, Jim Bob had to leave early and you don't give these people ample warning. They're gonna can your ass. See, I was lucky enough to be able to work for myself. So I didn't have to really worry about that. You know, I flexed my time the way I wanted it. You know, and so I would definitely do that. Vetting your attorney, you know, vet your attorney. If he looks like he's gonna be weak in any, here's the deal. You're going in to kill at this point in time. It's like Shark Week. Okay, there's blood in the frigging water. I don't wanna see anything left but some fucking fur from that seal. Nothing else. And you need to commit to go into that distance. So vet your attorney, find someone that's strong. If they look like they're gonna be a weakling about it, they're not your guy. Don't hire a woman, hire a man. But you have to, you need to come to the determination that you are gonna have open war in your life for anywhere from one to three to five years. Depends on how cantankerous your ex is gonna be and how much money she has and how much money you have because it becomes a money game in the end. And speaking of money, we all are familiar with Bitcoin. We're all familiar with how to move money around. Start hopping that money out of the savings account. You can't really touch the 401k without causing too many ripples but extra cash starts stacking it. If you look like you're gonna friggin' throw a grenade and you're living room in six months, start stacking the money. Moving it around, moving it around. Get on Twitter if you don't know how to move money around through Bitcoin, trust me. There's a bazillion things I can tell you to do but one thing is, is don't fucking settle, man. When you actually do this, don't settle. So when it comes to your kids, it's all and everything. That's it. There's no other option. Like Bobby was saying, oh, some guys just say fuck it. If you're that kind of man, you aren't even on this podcast right now watching it because you don't care. Everybody that's watching this right now cares. So start getting ready, getting ready, preparing. This is a fucking pre-brief. Somebody get in the fucking back of the ringer. This is the pre-brief. This is what you listen to. I'm dead serious, man, because you think that that lady when you file for divorce is just gonna say, oh, oh, you serve me with some papers. Hell no, my ex-wife had some process server at my door and my, he, this guy, I dodged this guy for like a week and a half. All right. And finally, he caught me. He caught me. I moved my truck all over the neighborhood. This guy was coming to my house at like one in the morning beating on the door. Like he, he beat the door so bad that he warped it, right? And my lawyer's like, don't answer it. Just keep, because every time he has to come out, it costs her money. She spent like 1200 bucks chasing me around for two weeks with that process server. Be a dick. Hey, one of those dudes, one of those dudes almost got killed about, it was still within the first year that I was home, but my wife and I were already married. We were living, I was renting my, the house I grew up in, my grandparents house. My grandpa was in a home and my grandma had passed and the estate had this house. So we, me and my wife were renting it, right? Well, my cousin, who's a fuck up for like a couple months he had rented it, but like couldn't pay rent or whatever. And you know, that was out, right? They just, he wasn't there. Well, I had gone to the store or no, I think I was coming home from work. I take that back because it was late. It was probably around 11 o'clock. And I was about two miles from my house and my wife calls me and goes, Bobby, somebody's rattling the front door. And I'm like, are you sure? And like already my foot's all the way to the fucking floor, right? And I'm going, I'm doing like, like almost a hundred miles an hour down the ball road, which is like one of the roads that Disney lands on. I'm just like, whoo, right? And I mean, like I hear, I hit a railroad track and jumped it straight that arrow, right? Trying to get home, right? And, and she's like, no, for sure, for sure. He hit it and I'm like, just stay in the room. It's all right. I'm almost home, right? And got there just as this dude was trying to pull away and I just blocked him in. Like to where he wouldn't go nowhere. And I was out of the car. What the fuck? And he was just like, whoa, are you David? Well, I'm looking for David. He starts to say my cousin's name, you know? And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, man. Who are you? And he's like, I'm supposed to serve these papers today. He's been saying, just like you said, can't find him anywhere. He's dodging every known thing. I was like, well, you almost just got beat to death right now, dude. I'm like, he ain't here. Don't be touching on people's front door. Cause I asked him, I'm like, why was my front door moving? He was like, I was sticking this and I was wedging it in the door. He had some letter, you know, like he was trying to, but I mean, one of those things, man, to where like, like there was some heart pounding. And like when I saw that beat coming out of the thing, I'm sure his heart was probably pounding a little bit more than mine was at that point. But, but yeah, all types of tricks like that. One of the things you got to do for with a child to like be that beat at the end is just consistency. Like you got to be that rock, right? So kids need like, especially young kids that they need the routine, right? They need the structure. When they start bouncing around all over the place, it gets confusing and scary for them, the younger they are especially, but even in kids that we wouldn't think it wouldn't be cause they're older than two. So as long as they know that you're the one that remains like, like you're all faithful, you know, all reliable and you're the one that they can go to that it's not going to be this way one day and this way the next day and this way the, as long as they know they can come to you and you're that person, that right there makes all the difference in the world. All the difference in the world. And I want to agree with what Phil was saying. And I've said this before on Twitter and probably in other podcasts. A good lawyer is worth his weight in gold. That's real deal talk. Like if you can afford a good attorney and that's whatever you're going through, family court, criminal court, civil court, whatever. If you can get a good attorney, it's worth it. If the desired result is what's important to you. I want to echo something that a text I'd said, which is in the chat he said, you'll see the worst of everyone. And it goes to both of your points and that when you crossed the point of no return, you're all in. The ships have been burned. This is no longer the wife who was making you breakfast in bed. This is no longer the woman you married. This is now the person that you're going to be chopping off and out of your life. You're cutting off your fucking arm. You know, like you were done with this, it's gone. It's gonna be rough, but you go forward and you're in it to win. You're not in it to settle. You're not in it to split. You're in it to win. I know if I were going through this, I mean it's everything. Like whatever we're coming out of this, it's for me. It's one hundred percent on what I want, what I'm gonna get, what I'm going for. It's no longer, oh, let's be nice. And you know, that's how guys end up, you know, having the kids one week in a month. That being said though, you're not gonna have some young child in a court proceeding like sitting there in the courtroom, watching all the drama unfold and all the BS coming out. That's not gonna happen. So where they're gonna find out is not from you. Do you get what I mean? Like let her be the crazy one that's just like or whatever, because you're that rock. You're the one that's being dependable. You're the one that doesn't want to destroy a young child's mind that you wanna see blossom. That's not gonna be you. Let it be them. That makes all the difference in the world. That's one hundred percent correct because especially when you start dogging them in court, they can't let that shit go. Here's the deal. With my divorce in the end, I didn't even go in front of the judge. He whipped her with paper until she was completely fucking broke, like broke her down to nothing. Like down below a 500 credit score, broke. And I'll never forget it. You know, he's like, okay, he called me one day. He's like, okay, we're done. This is your attorney? Yeah, and so he goes, maybe down to the courthouse. I'm like, for real, I gotta deal with this? You know, he's like, nah, you don't have to deal with anything. She's already signed everything. I'm like, what? Cool. So I go down, I sign my paperwork right there in front of the clerk's desk. He goes, man, let me give you a point of advice. He goes, two things are gonna happen. Your ex-wife is either gonna step up and become a mom or she's gonna become a party girl. And over the last nine years, she's flopped to the party girl and it's costing her now. It really is. Her life is a literal fucking train wreck. And no matter how bad you wanna stoop, no matter how bad you wanna fight, let your attorney handle it. There's been times where I've been in my attorney's office literally yelling and screaming at him like I was gonna fucking kill him. Holy shit. Literally. And he wanted to kill me a few times. You know what I mean? But in the end, it worked. And it's working according to what I told you earlier. It's continuing to work. You know what I mean? So don't find a weakling for an attorney. That's all I got for that, man. My brother, when he got custody in California too, I mean, this is how bad this girl was. He got a good attorney. A media was just like, oh, she's a party girl. We're gonna do some drug testing. We're gonna do this and that. We're gonna do whichever, right? Got all the stuff. Hey, so then her way out, what's the woman's weapon, right? Oh, well, he molested our kid. So she threw that on him in court, right? My lawyer went, or excuse me, my brother's lawyer when she did that, he was like, but don't worry, we're gonna take her apart. She's done. And let it play out, but it sucks because at that point, CPS gets involved and they're interviewing kids and they're doing all this other. So it's like, it's a crappy. And then plus, you're throwing on my brother that he's a chomo on top of it, right? So that lawyer, when he was able to cross-examine her a little bit later on in the proceedings, got her to admit while she was up there that she lied. And the second that she admitted that she was like, okay, I lied, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Right after that, he called for some kind of motion and a judge was like, I mean, he didn't say these words, but the judge was like, fuck you, bitch. And like, totally just took everything from her, gave my brother, like it all happened, like just boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, get the fuck out of my courtroom. Like that. So like a good attorney, so worth their weight in gold because that could have been, who knows what that could have been if my brother just had some hubbub bullshit. Who knows? But this guy was experienced and saw the weaknesses and like Phil was saying earlier, went for the throat and got it. That's fucking wild, man. This is real men's lives. Like this is reality. Like to me, it's fucking insane. But I mean, like, I'm a day, a bad day away from it. You know, like you never know what's coming down the pipeline. You know, obviously we all want to ride out to the sunset, but again, that's why we have this conversation. So many have gone through it, many who have experienced can pass that on. The next guy, you know, maybe some guy who's listening to this is like, you know what? This guy's only 50 bucks an hour. This guy's 20 bucks an hour, but this fucking dude's gonna get it. Try like 450 bucks an hour. See, how do you know the fucking numbers, man? If they're anywhere less than 450 an hour for billing, they don't have their shit together. They're desperate. No, that's on top of give me $5,000. Yeah, retainer. And you're a lawyer. Yeah, I'm gonna take your case for five grand. See, I'm a repeat customer now. So you only charged me 3,500 to keep them on retainer. That's a nice guy. What a swell guy. Yeah, but he bought me a new escalade and boat and everything else. You know, I'm like, you fucker, Mark. You know what I mean? Yeah, oh yeah. All right, gentlemen, we've hit all the bullet points. So, and we had our closing statements, I think. So let's go over, Bobby, for guys that might have some questions, some guys that want to know like kind of where you're going from here, what do you have coming down the pipeline in the future and what's your closing, where can guys find you? Okay, so in the immediate future, I'm leaving tomorrow for Romania. I'll be there. I'm gonna be in Vegas in, at the beginning of October for Cernovich's Vegas event that he's having there towards the end of October. I'll be with you gentlemen at the 21 convention. We're gonna, hey, and let me tell you something. If anybody's still on the fence about going to the 21 convention, just Hunter is worth it, man. I mean, this dude right here, if you're looking for someone that is gonna stay up with you until the sun comes up, like talking about the important stuff, I watched him do it like every night, man. There were nights I came down there, we were like, hey, man, do we need to like, get him back up to the room or what's going on? Because he was that committed. So that's coming down the pipe and I'm really looking forward to hanging out, especially the three of us. And then the cigar that we just released, Ivan and I, the Dewey Ray cigars, those are, I don't have the link up at my site yet because he literally, he's still making links. He just, we just went online with it yesterday, but you can go currently to Ivan's Emplador line. So it's Empalador, is it empalador.vii? I'm gonna drop the link in the chat. I meant to put it on below the video, but you really did just come out with all this. Yeah, yesterday, I mean, just yesterday. So that's what's coming in the immediate future. And for the guys that are going through, or maybe going through this, or this seems like through a divorce or through separation, or this seems like it can be a real possibility, it's real easy to get stuck in despair. It really can be. That's one of the biggest things is if you let yourself go down that road, you can go down that way. What you have to keep doing is putting one foot in front of the other and making the best day that you can for your future and by extension your kid's future and just keep being that dependable, solid rock that that kid needs. Not anything that's changing. Be the thing that's constant in your child's life that your child knows you can depend on and that'll make all the difference. And for those in the chat, I dropped the link for the cigars as well as the link to follow Bobby on Twitter. It's quite active on there. That's where most of us are engaging in real time, real quick, you know, hopping on the quick one off. So if you want to DM, you want to reach out, you want to have that conversation, or like you said, you know, if you're going through this and you have questions that you need answered or you want some advice, you know, hop on there. Shoot at the end. It's as easy as that. And also grab the cigars. They're always open. DMs are always open to whoever. Yeah. So if that's, if you feel you want to drop DM, real Bobby Dino at Twitter and feel free. Phil, what are you going to get coming up down the pipeline? Quite a few things. First off, you can find me at Evolve Phil on Twitter and I'm around there. I talk a little shit from time to time. And if you're going through anything or if you can relate to anything that I said tonight or you have any questions, just direct message me, man. I'll be happy to talk to you. It's all good. I'm really stoked about October in Orlando. Had a great time last year. I'm really looking forward to 21Con this October, C-Hunter, Bobby, everybody else. You know, I'll second what Bobby said. If you're on the fence about jumping in to head down there, I put it on Twitter a few days ago. Definitely jump in and come experience it. It's a good time. I don't know about staying up all night. I got to get my sleep, my nutrition. I can't do that, you know, but, you know, it's a great situation, you know, as far as being able to visit with personalities that you possibly might speak to or follow on Twitter or on the internet. And you can learn a lot of great stuff from a lot of great people down there. And the caveat for this conversation is just to visualize that tunnel, gentlemen. You know, if you're really going through it and, you know, you really need to just know that there's light at the end of the tunnel, no matter how fucking painful this is that you're going through it. If you're looking around, it's your life right now and you're going, man, you know, this has happened and all my money's gone. My wife is gone. My kids hate me. My boss hates me. You know, you need to start developing a network, whether it's, you know, online. You know, Hunter's got his deal going on with the fraternity excellence. I'm actually a member of that. And it's a great resource. You need something, you can reach out to anybody in that fraternity. They're great folk. You guys like Bobby, Ivan, everybody else. You know, you just don't paint yourself into a corner because eventually in one year's time, if you give this a year, if you go, okay, I'm right here right now, but in one year, where am I going to be? It's going to be a completely different place. You will get through this and you will survive. You got to hold your shit together for your children. No, you got to hold your shit together because they're relying on you. There's no other option with that. You know, so once again, you need to chat about it. Hit me up. You don't need to chat about it. Cool, I'll be shitposting from time to time. And, you know, Bobby, you have a great time out there with those guys. Hey, thank you, man. That's the best. Safe travels. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. It's a long time. I'd like to see a multitude of pictures, brother. Yes, sir. Oh yeah. Yeah, gonna make the phone die on a daily basis, taking pictures. Excellent. Excellent. Phil, appreciate you coming on. Bobby, I especially appreciate you coming on, knowing you've got long travels tomorrow for everybody that tuned in. Go ahead. No, this is one of the most important things we could be doing. These groups are really beneficial to a lot of people. I get feedback on it myself and always, this is no problem being there. I appreciate that. Especially for the patriarchs, you know, it's one of those things that's near and dear to my heart and near and dear to what are those we're doing because it has that family connection to it. The topics aren't about spinning all the plates, it's topics aren't about the theory behind things. It's real world. How can you apply this to family living? How can you apply this to being a father? And that's incredibly important. And when it comes to shielding your children from divorce, you're the shield. You're the shield and the spear. You've got to protect your children. You've got to attack for them. You've got to be the one who builds the bridges. You've got to be the one who has your head up, your shoulders back, your eyes forward, and even though things are so hard, you allow your children to see like my dad's got it. He's got it together and he's going to be okay. And we're going to be okay. And this is really sad and it hurts my soul, but we're going to be okay because my dad's okay. And that's what I want you to take from this. You have resources to help you be okay. You know, this show, nobody gets anywhere without support. When you look at this show, you've got the three sponsors. You've got tactical soap, which has been on here forever. You know, taking care of this show, helping the man out, offering discounts to all those who follow with the code RMD for temperature and off. It's always been that thing. Oh, tactical soap, shower like a man, testosterone levels are going to rise. But guess what? When it hits the fan, that brand stood by this company. When it hits the fan in your life, who's going to stand by you? It could be your parents. It could be your siblings. It could be a group of men. You look at Jack Murphy, he's got a little order. You look at Ryan Micler, he's got order of man. Myself, we have the attorney of excellence and FUE is now a sponsor of this show as well. So then you follow that, you know, all these, we're all coming together to help one another succeed. And it's one of those things where it's like this, this conglomeration where even the separate groups are supporting one another. So inside FUE, we've got single men, married men, divorced men, and they come together to help each other because they're men. So reach out to men. So when shit hits the fan, you have someone to fall back on. Tate's War Room, another sponsor of this, bringing men together. Do not isolate yourself with the weird, you know, notion that I don't need help. Real men don't have to reach out and ask for help. You fucking do need some help because the whole fucking world's lined up against you. So use it. You've got men on this panel right now, throwing ropes, bearing their soul. We're not talking about the theory behind intersexual dynamics. We're talking about real world shit of what men have gone through and what can help you get through this as well. You'll survive, you'll thrive, as long as you do the work. With that said, thank you for tuning in tonight. I appreciate you coming on The Red Man Group, Patriarch's Edition. Every Thursday heading forward from here, you'll be seeing,