 thing. Okay, there we go. So I am talking to the one and only chicho ASMR such such a pleasure to be with you today, man. Thanks for the brother. Thanks for the absolute. So I'll just tell you kind of what I'm doing right now. So I'm in a podcasting class, podcasting production class. And I'm also a neuroscience major. So my interest in ASMR is kind of twofold, like, I'm going to talk to a professor of neuroscience about like what kind of the neural underpinnings are for the sensation because that's been very not studied at all. It's it's very it's completely interesting. And then and then I want to I just wanted to talk to some of my favorite ASMR artists, you being at the top, I was very happy when you agreed to interview. And I want to talk kind of about not only your method and your mission, but kind of like the culture of ASMR in which you play a very a very large part. But it's also it's not just ASMR. It's like, what I say to people is I came to you for the ASMR, but I stayed for the content and your, you know, political, you know, economic kind of beliefs, information and stuff like that. So we definitely need to kind of to get into that. But yeah, so just like a very general, sorry, I have some I have some things written down. So just like a very general kind of starting point, like, how did this channel come about? And I know that you have many different channels. So maybe there's a question to the math ASMR, and then there's a sorry, there's a there's an answer to the math channel and then an answer to the Chico channel. Yeah, um, how did it come about? I started. I mean, I didn't. Jeez, it's it's layered, right? I didn't plan on I didn't even know what ASMR was when I I knew the sensation, but I didn't know it was the thing called ASMR. Until a few years after I started creating content, blogging, sharing information. So I guess the main reason that I got online was because I wasn't finding enough of the type of discussion dialogue that I think was important to have online online at the time and at the time was mid 2000s. I started I didn't have any plans on making any videos at the time. I just wanted to share political economic information because I think, you know, at the time after 9 11, I realized that we're headed down a very dark path. And the dark path is here right now, right? So you could see the groundwork being laid by centralized power to bring us to this point, and their idea where we should be in the future, which is very dystopian, extremely dystopian. So I started writing articles in 2005, 2006, 2007. And I was writing a lot, a lot of politics, a lot of economics, I was warning people about appending economic collapse. Some people took that to heart and they saved themselves and their family a lot of money in the 2008 financial scam. People say it was, you know, collapse and whatever they call it. It was it was pure scam, right? It was it was designed 100%. 100%. And the main, main purpose of that engineered collapse was to eliminate a certain percentage of the middle class. Okay. So I did all that stuff. And I was writing and I kept on writing the political stuff until 2012, really heavy. And in 2012, I wrote a piece saying that this was going to be my last really strictly political discussion because they had laid down all the groundwork of where we were headed. And it was World War three. And if we didn't wise up, we would be facing extreme calamity, right? And I didn't. And one thing I did in that article, I quoted Aaron Dottie Roy, stating that, you know, I didn't want to write any more politics and economic stuff, because I felt like I was repeating myself because I've been writing this for six, seven years, telling people, look, man, this is not a good place to be like, we're gonna wise up somehow. With Obama getting into power, you know, the anti war movement and the people that should have held power accountable, walked away. Some of us didn't kept on pushing it. And that was sort of my last political strictly political economic piece that I wrote intent very, very in depth. I had lots of links linking up everywhere and whatnot. But during that time when I was writing politics and economics, I have a lot of relatives in the United States. And one of my relatives needed help with mathematics. And I've been teaching mathematics since late 1990s, early 2000s. And I love teaching teaching to millions. It's it's brilliant. It's really it's extremely challenging. Once I got over the the lies of centralized power where they, you know, there's something that they tell people a lot. That's a sort of mantra, false mantra in our society where they say, those who can't do teach, which is one of the biggest bullshit pieces. Exactly. Like I've ever heard, right? Because once you look into it, you realize, Oh, my God, like, Feynman was a teacher, Einstein was a teacher, like some of the greatest minds of Beethoven was a teacher. Some of the greatest minds that humanity has ever produced were teachers. And and then I realized the reason for that is, is because if you can explain something simple enough, something complicated, simple enough for people to understand, that means you understand that thing extremely well, which sort of links up and I, for me, I didn't, even though I have my degree in geophysics and mathematics, I really didn't understand mathematics until I started teaching it. And that's what really has just kicked me up to another state of being because I realized I was full of shit before. I was just the product of the centralized indoctrination centers. I knew how to do, but I didn't know why I did. Okay. And if I came across something that certain methods did not adequately explain, I didn't know what to do. Right. So in, you know, I was teaching for about five, more than that, about seven years by that time, pretty full on. And then my relative from California, he needed mathematics help. And I tried to help him out online with emails and chatting and stuff like this. And it wasn't working out. So I realized I had to make math videos and I had no intention of being in front of a camera ever. But for family, you do anything, right? So, and he was a skateboarder. And, you know, he was kid, right? So I tried to make it interesting and entertaining and just fast paced, right? Yeah. Because that's what school does. School slows people down to a level where they get, they lose interest and they don't connect the dots fast enough. So they lose the connection from one point to another. So I started making math videos and the way I made them, I made a sort of urban graffiti. I took my tripod and camera and big gigantic chalk pieces. And I went up into the city and I found walls and I did graffiti, gorilla style, right? You know, I look around, find a nice wall, make sure there's no security around set up my camera. As fast as I could and, you know, lay down, lay down the information as fast as that as fast as possible and pack up and take off and go edit the videos and stuff like this. And then so I did that for a few years, three, four years, I laid out a lot of foundation of mathematics and a lot of people were sending me messages that, you know, all these math videos are helping them out. So that kept me going because for me, if I can help all more people, the better, right? I could only teach so many people individually. My time is limited. Yeah, as are all of our times. All of our times, right? I realized that I had to reach a larger audience and create some of this content because, you know, when I was teaching people, students individually, sometimes I would have parents knocking on my door like seven o'clock in the morning saying, my, you know, my kid has a test, can you teach him? I'm like, dude, you can't come to my house, knocking on my door, right? Like, you can't do that. That's not cool. Right? So I kept on doing that. And, you know, I got into teaching more mathematics, creating a curriculum as best as I can right now, stuff like that. And I came across an article talking about ASMR. And at the time I had made ASMR videos, but I didn't know there were ASMR videos. And the ASMR video that I'd made were sort of my beard calming videos, right? Talking about beers, facial hair and stuff like that. And it's a sensation that I felt, right? And it calms me down. It's good for the soul. It's good for the spirit. It's, it's meditative. It lets you ground and be at peace to a certain degree and realize what's important and what's not, right, filter out the noise. Right, filter out the noise. And that makes you focus on what's important. So one of the things I did, I, you know, I was making, aside from math videos and eating videos, I made the beard, I make facial hair videos, and I had made that video. And I came across an article that talked about ASMR. I was like, wait a second, this is what I'm feeling. So I went to a forum, and I asked, you know, is this ASMR? If it is, I have a longer version, because I made it short, right? I said, I have a longer version of this. If, if you guys are interested, I'll cut it longer. And, and people said, Oh my God, yes, please. What I haven't done that. And once I loaded that on, I hadn't really thought about creating math ASMR videos, because I really like the graffiti style, Gorilla style. I actually, you know, I have my calm side, but I'm extremely speaking with Alice as well as a drummer. Like, you know, right? When the time calls for it, you, we thrive on it to a certain degree, right? Like drummers I've met tend to be very peaceful, right? But it chaotic. Sometimes not at p, not sometimes not a piece of times, right? Something bothers you, you need to get on that drum set and just go ballistic for multiple hours, right? Like, you know, I used to play my drums, you must have done as well until, you know, not only calluses, but I would bleed. Yeah, right. You get cracks and you're, you got blood. And that to me was purification, not to me. Yeah, it's, it's like when it's like when your love and energy for the instrument surpasses your bodily capabilities, and you, oh my God, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Brilliant. It's euphoric. It's euphoric. It's brilliant. So, you know, I made, you know, couple ASMR videos and stuff like this, and people contacted me saying, Hey, chichu, listen, we get math anxiety, can you make ASMR math videos? I was like, sure, I can give it a shot, right? And one of the reasons I said sure is because that's the way I teach. I did one of the things I do with my students is because I, I know you're doing this for schoolwork, but I, I detest our centralized and indoctrination centers. I, there, there is use for them in post-secondary anyway, not elementary and high schools, garbage. But, but if you're focused enough, and if you know what you want to do, you go to university, college, post-secondary, polytechnical institute, whatever it is, you can get the education you need. You can, you're gonna hit some hurdles. But if you're focused, you can get it, right? So there's a use for it, but I was, I'm not a fan of centralized indoctrination centers. And a lot of people will contact me saying, you know, they get anxiety when they're trying to learn mathematics and stuff like this, can I make ASMR math videos? And I started making ASMR math videos. And basically, what you see the way I teach mathematics in those videos is in large part, not all of my students, because everybody's different, everybody's different, right? But there are times, during my lessons with every student, and sometimes I maintain that state with my students, certain students all the time, where I try to eliminate the anxiety, because once the anxiety is gone, and they're more receptive to information. So that's how I got into making ASMR math videos and ASMR other videos. Because I think our society needs it or our current political economic system is functions on their keeping people anxious, you know, getting people to, you know, there's a saying that says speed kills. And that's not when I was younger, I just thought they meant all driving fast kills. And I said, Yeah, what the hell, I'll just drive. I'm a drummer, drive. I used to drive insanely fast, like ridiculous, right? No understanding of the consequences. Right? And then you get into a few accidents, you realize, okay, speed can kill, right? Or you, you lose some friends along the way, say yes, speed kills, right? But it's not just for for driving, it's also in life. When you tend to make very rapid decisions without thinking it through, you know, you'd be lucky if they, they work out right, right? Most of the time they don't, if you're in a war situation, sure, you're gonna make decisions, speedy goes out, but if you're functioning under a state of mind in your war all the time, it's not healthy. It's not healthy. So that's my story of how I got into making ASMR stuff. And it's quite fascinating. Because this is kind of another thing I'd like to talk about. It seems that you were just kind of making the content that you wanted to make, like kind of inadvertently as my and then and then your audience kind of reached out and said, wow, like this is like they kind of qualified it as ASMR. Yeah. Yeah. And at that point, did you kind of start appending like, you know, parentheses ASMR to your videos? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And one of the reasons I did that is because, as you know, I do, I do talk politics and stuff, I didn't want to get into politics really, I really didn't because I've said what I needed to be said back in the mid 2000s to early 2010s, I, you know, I laid down where we're headed. Right. I didn't really, I didn't want to make political ASMR videos. I just wanted to educate, teach people mathematics, teach people talk about food, right? And they just talk about healthy living and critical thought. And because I think that's really what's missing in our society. It's not. Well, right now, discussion on politics, economics is missing because censorship of the Yang Yang, right? Very dangerous times, very dangerous times, right? But I got into making political ASMR for the 2016 elections in the United States, because people kept on saying, Oh, Hillary Trump, I'm like, you guys are asking the wrong question. I'm like, G Joe, can you tell us Hillary Trump? I'm like, Oh, man, this is, it was, I was just getting so much of it, right? And I said, okay, and at the beginning of that video, I did state and it took me, that was my third or fourth cut of that video, like I had done it like four times, like talking into the camera like two hours, whatever it took, right? And I didn't like how it came out. And finally, I just said, look, this is my last take. For those of you that follow my work for anything else, do not watch this video. Right. And I told them, do not watch this video, skip this video, because I'm going to talk about things that are going to trigger people. And one of the reasons it's going to trigger people is because people aren't informed, because I know our centralized indoctrination centers don't inform, they're not there to educate, they're there to indoctrinate. So people don't know history, they don't know the connection, right? They don't know the game at play. And then it just the demand picked up and we started going down a very dark path. We hit the basically the point of where we thought where I thought we're going to go with the articles I was writing in the late mid 2000s, early 2010s. And, you know, it's not a good place to be. So I had to start giving people my take, and sort of information. I lost a fair bit of, I mean, there's a blood, you know, what do you call it, shadow band on YouTube, there's no doubt about it censored to make a call it. You know, they, they, they unsubscribe people from my channel all the time, right? Oh, man. Yeah, it's it's crazy, right? I mean, I look at data, my thing is data, I can see the data, right? That's why I'm on I load more stuff on the other platforms like rumble is an amazing platform, amazing, right? Amazing, amazing, bit chute, Odyssey, right? Fantastic. So, so be it like for me, I make the stuff because it allows me to sleep at night. I'm not in it. You know, for financial gain, it would be great. But that's not the main purpose. I will keep on doing what I do, because it's the right thing to do. That's it. Right. And it helps it helps you sleep at night. And it quite literally helps your your followers sleep at night. As some of them, some of them don't like what I say. Well, so you said you did the math. So you just kind of maybe I would I might assume that you kind of naturally just have this soft spoken pleasant like voice that is kind of analogous to to ASMR. And and you said that, you know, that as a method of decreasing anxiety was a tool to teach math. And I feel like would you would you say that it might be a tool for you to teach all of the things you teach? For sure. For sure. Yeah, it's about sharing information. It's about sharing information. And I look I over time, I've realized that there's a certain way to share information that connects better than other ways. This is more receptive than other ways. Now it doesn't mean I'm like this all the time. Like in person, I could be extremely overwhelming. Like when I talk to friends and family and stuff like this and people tell me this. But for me, when I'm engaging someone, a family member or friend or an associate in in close proximity personally, because I this is real life as well. So I don't want to say in real life. This is real life. Like what I do is real life online. I hate to do something real life. But no, this is real life. Right. But when I'm engaging someone directly, and they have a they have a means to talk back to me and stuff like this, then sometimes I tend to be a lot harsher. Not with my students. When I teach mathematics, I'm very, very gentle. I'm not there to to because I really make a distinction when I teach mathematics. I'm not there to engage them about how they should live their lives. That's not my purpose. My purpose is to teach them how to use the language of mathematics in their lives, right? No matter what they want to do. Like, you know, I've had students that want to just become millionaires make lots of money. So I tell them, you know, straight up, they're stupid if they don't learn math, because that's the way to do it. Learn math. That's the best tool you can acquire to do that. Right. And musicians, you know, music music, like a look, man. The foundation of music mathematics is to harmonics is to beats is this and that's coming from drummer, of course, right? It's all right. It's all of it. It's all of it. It's the rhythm. Right. So I try to introduce mathematics in that aspect. But for me, I've gone through my chaos period. So I mean, one of the reasons I've I don't I don't know if I've shared this information with anyone, I might have what doing a doing live stream once. But since you're a drummer, I love drumming. I loved it. Right. But one time I was in LA. And I wasn't there with a banner, I think we just party. And I was parting pretty hard. And a friend, some friends of mine, we're from Vancouver, and we had gone to LA and we're partying down there. So friends of mine, I had, I had, I'd gone hard. So I was at the hotel just crashed, right? And my friends were still out. And they came back with a couple of people they met. And those two people were attending music school in LA wanted to talk music schools. I don't know the name anymore, right? And they came in. And they're like, instantly like, what's going on? Let's go party. We're gonna do this. Okay, right. I stood up on the bed, you know, put on clothes and we had it out and we're start talking. And the two the two people in the music school, one of them was a bassist, one of them was a guitarist. And, you know, start talking so I'm drummer, I was going, I was rapid. It was, you know, I was not younger. I was how old was I was probably like 20 years old or something like that. Right? 19, 20 years old. And we're 21. Anyway, somewhere around there. And they're like, Oh, dude, you must be a good drummer. I go I'm pretty good, man. I don't don't technicals too much. But I got my heart in there. I go hard. And, you know, people love jamming with me because I was good. You know, it's just, you know, I was on a natural drummer. I practiced, like I was practiced 10 hours a day some days, right? And I said, yeah, man, I love it. People love drum and jamming with you goes, Oh, dude, man, you how would you know, we love to jam with you and stuff like this. You guys make the your type of guy makes the best drummer, but but there's one drawback. I go, Oh, what's the drawback? Oh, the guy turns to me, one of the guys turns to goes and the other guy confirmed he goes, Yeah, you guys die young. Oh, man, that's that's hard. Yeah, especially, you know, rest in peace, Taylor Hawkins, you know, oh my God, dude. Yeah, that hit me like I was I'm talking to my drum teacher now where we're both lost. But but yeah, it's it's a it's a live fast kind of kind of because I feel like, you know, sometimes you have so much energy, you just burn out early, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that was that was sort of me, I was going hard. And I realized that the time that run that resonated with me. So when I came back, and for me, that that's sort of the one of my natural states as well, very rapid. But over the years, I've learned to try to keep it calm as calm as possible. Because I don't want to be in that amplified state. Do you too often do your videos serve as meditation for yourself? Because it serves as meditation for your viewers. Do you find yourself in a meditative state when you're creating this content? Yeah, yeah, yeah, creating it for sure. For sure. It like, I like, I love creating content, like maybe the articles I was writing back then I'm going to get back into writing articles. Now I realized that to to reach that tranquil state, I need to verbalize some of the things that I need to need to discuss. Right. But when I create videos, content, stuff, as you know, if you're a drum, you know, you're a drummer, when you play gigs and stuff like this, you have to be in your head before you go on one stage. You need to it's like writing a test it's like anything you need to do a little prep. Right. And for me, when I'm either live streaming and or editing videos or, or setting up when I'm, you know, looking at a scene, I want to set this up, set this up, it gets you into a creative mode that it's just like, just pleasing to the soul. Right. It really is. And, and when I'm editing video, I'm not editing too much video right now, I'm taking live streams and taking out segments. But even that, to me, is it just brings me peace. Because I do this, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. Don't get me wrong. Sometimes it's, I spend so much time on it, where I feel a little nauseous, you know, you've worked so much that you feel a little nauseous. But you still want to go, you still want to go, you still want to do and then you realize you got to step away, you need to really step away to rethink what it is that you're doing or just let it digest. Right. And then when I do create something, when I go through it, it some of the stuff that I created, it really makes like I know I've done a good job when I when I laugh, when I, when I, when I giggle, when it sometimes almost brings the tear to my eye, like that's when I know I've done something right. And that's the way it is. And I don't shoot for perfection anymore. I, I, I tell my students, I shoot, you know, I expect minimum 80% from them. Right. And for me, if I'm able to get 80% of what I want to get across, across, I'm happy, minimal. Sometimes I shoot for higher. That's because, you know, you're always, yeah, yeah, that's when you're always always going, you're always pushing. Yeah, I heard, I heard you say two words earlier, intimacy and social connectedness. And those two words resonate with me in my study of ASMR, because it actually seems as though certain like one theory, and this is kind of in its rudimentary form is that ASMR experiences kind of mimic what like primates do in terms of like social social grooming techniques and like social proximity techniques. And it gives you that same kind of ethic of care and stuff like that. And, and when I watch your videos in your live streams, and I see comments pouring in both in a real time. And after when you post on YouTube, it really seems as though you've built up quite a strong community of people. I'm very lucky. Yeah. So, so I guess, I guess what I'm saying is like, what do you see your mission as or your, or your goal, when you create this content for your viewers and, and like, because it makes them feel socially connected to you, it's also a vehicle to bring up things that need to be talked about and are talked about enough, specifically, you know, free Julian Assange, we need to scream that every day from every rooftop. Yeah, every, every every day. But yeah, what do you see your kind of duty to your viewers in this in kind of leading this socially connected group of people? Yeah, I don't want to say leading. I the way I approach it is I'm a node. That's it. Like I'm a node. And for me, I've mentioned this before many times. And I really believe this. Censorship is the enemy of humanity. End of story. Anybody that tries to silence anyone else, I don't care if you agree with them disagree with them. If it's hate speech, if it's love speech, I don't care what it is. People have a right to speak their mind. And the only thing we should do is engage them, not silence them. So for me, because that's that's there, like, if if you look at history, human history, the where totalitarian fascism, destructive, any type of centralized power begins is by censorship, silencing any form of dissent, any form of questioning any form of anything that goes against the centralized power. And that to me is my purpose here. My my purpose is to act as a node and or conduit and allow people to talk. Because that that's the same thing to do. That allows people to to have some kind of feedback. So they're not looping insane ideas. Right? They can they can actually throw something out there. And see the flaws in it. If there are flaws coming back at them, right? It's like what I tell a lot of my students and a lot of people that I've engaged online and stuff like this, which is something that I had to learn, like I didn't, you know, go through centralized indoctrination centers. I didn't know how to read, right? Not properly, really, the garbage, pure garbage, right? The first time I wrote a report, geophysics report, coming out of university, you know, I wouldn't work those geophysicists, I put a, you know, did a project, wrote the report, you know, gave it to my supervisor. I was all happy, big grin on my face. You know, that's what centralized indoctrination has told me, you know, you finished the project, you handed it in congratulations, you're going to get a mark, right? Half an hour later, supervisor comes across, throws this thing, the report on my desk, he goes, what the hell is this? Obviously, my ego went from year, that was in my early 20s, right? Ego went from year, he stomped on it. I opened the damn thing up. I've never seen so much red in my life, right? So my writing abilities were horrendous, right? So I was really initially hesitant to get into blogging. I didn't want to get into blogging, because I didn't know how to write. But I forced it on myself, because I knew I had to learn how to write, how to communicate properly. Because I tell my students, there's two things you have to learn. You have to get out of your education. One of them is mathematics and the other one is your natural language, for us being English, right? You have to know those well, why? Because those are both languages, and those two are the things we use to communicate. Everything else is facts, hearsay, studies, whatever it is, right? If you know your math, and you know your English or your natural language, then you can, and if you have some critical thought, which mathematics allows you to do, you can look at anything else and teach yourself everything else. Okay, that it's as simple as that. Sure, you can specialize in things you need, you need to go specialize in certain something, get your certificate, get your degree, and delve into that discipline. For sure, that takes a lot of energy and stuff like this. But if you don't know math and English, you don't know shit, right? So for me, you know, I've gone on a tangent, sort of forgot where we started the question you asked me, but it's, it took a lot of effort for me to learn how to write, like, and I learned how to write online by exposing myself, right? Having a blog and writing and I had a friend that would edit my work, right? You know, I would, I would write something up and send it to her and she she turned to me and said she showed no, no, no. And she told me something which was I've taken to heart and I've used throughout all my work. She told me that look, you know, you've done editing a piece where there's nothing else you can take out. Yeah. Right. You're finished when there's nothing else you can take out. And that's what I did with my writing and that's sort of what I do with my videos as well. Livestreams is more difficult because it's live. You know, putting myself out there, but I wanted to start doing live streams as well. So, you know, I put myself out there. So that's what I tell everybody is, look, and that's the reason why censorship is so horrendous, right? Because when we censor people, we don't allow them to share their ideas, share their beliefs, share what they think they know, right? So if you're never sharing your music, your writing, your poetry, your ideas, your life, because centralized power or technocrats or the society says that's bad, right? Then how are you ever going to grow and incorporate that into your life where it's all underground, right? That's a recipe for disaster and it breeds extremism, which is what centralized power needs to thrive, right? So that's, that's my take on, you know, long, long window dancer. My role is to eliminate censorship. Right. And that's like you brought up Julian Assange. Julian Assange is a perfect example of centralized power censoring the one of the most important people, human beings in our in human history really? Yeah. Right? Like literally, right? It was it was his work was the only thing that could actually shake, shake down the people in the position of power. And you can tell because of how how they threw the book at him, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, they've gone after him, right? It's the murder of Christ as, you know, it's it's like, because that's one thing. William Reich wrote or Robert Anton Wilson did it. He portrayed it with Oh, man, what was that musical that he wrote? I've read it is beautiful. Yeah, no, it's called the murder of is a murder of Christ, I think it's the murder of Christ. But he refers to it with writing about Wilhelm Reich, how centralized power annihilated him, right? So it is literally what we are watching happen in our society is to crucify of a church, right? So it's the murder of a truth teller, which if you connect it back to biblical times, you know, whatever your opinion might be about Jesus Christ, Christianity, whatever religion, even Islam, I'm a religious studies minor. So nice, nice. Yeah, like literally, it was the silencing of a truth teller. Yeah. Okay. A prophet, because that's what a prophet is. Right. And you can connect this even to Muhammad Ali, there's a documentary I watched, which blew my mind, right? There's a there's multiple Muhammad Ali documentaries. I don't know which one this was. But I remember them interviewing this senior citizen black man in Mississippi or something like this and, you know, from poor part of town, right? Like, or Florida somewhere, like, really, like, you could tell like, this is this guy is ground level. Right. And they interviewed him. He was like, I don't know, 70 years old at the time or something. This is like 20 years ago. I saw this or 15. Yeah, must have been 20 years ago. I saw this right. And the interviewer says, you know, Muhammad Ali, they're talking about this, they're talking about this. And the guy goes Muhammad Ali, he was a prophet. He's the guy's like, what? He's like, what else do you call a truth dollar? He was a prophet. Right. That's powerful, powerful. Yeah. Wow. Right. Yeah. Um, wow. Yeah, I need to sit with that for a second. But so also, I just have, I just have a couple more kind of pointed questions about kind of your method and stuff like that. So they're kind of two categories of ASMR I'm familiar with, you know, intentional and unintentional, maybe like the intentional stuff is kind of people, you know, like doing the kind of stuff like that. And and then there's some stuff on the complete other end of the spectrum, which are like old lecture videos or you know, Mr. Rogers or Bob Ross or stuff like Bob Ross. So my question to you is I'd love to hear where you think your content stands because it's labeled ASMR and you're creating it probably with the intention of it being viewed as ASMR. But you're doing exactly what you want to do in your videos and kind of just making the content you want to make. So my question is how intentional would you say your ASMR is? The eating videos, they're intentional, right? But it's me sort of meditating with my food. That's all it is. I'm not intentionally going to the speaker. Well, no, there are some I do do it, but I'm not I'm not an intentional ASMR creator. I do have some stuff that's that you could categorize it that way. For me, I like educational ASMR. Yes. Right. Yes. And for me, like you said, a lot of the lot of like I listen to me, lectures are ASMR to me. Me too. Like it's it's awesome. Like there's lectures or very calm, sort of discussion of politics and economics from certain viewers I see that I follow. Like for example, Ron Paul is ASMR to me. I watched the Ron Paul report. And I lay there, and I put it on sometimes on headphones. And I just sometimes I pass out halfway through. Exactly. Yeah. But I listen to it calms me down because you can feel the love in his voice, right? To me, ASMR education is more it that has as is the core of it, right, which is the love has to be there, the intention has to be there. The not the ASMR aspect of it, but the sharing of the information aspect of it, that it's got to be authentic. Right. So that to me is where I stand. And I use I use the tag ASMR, I put it on almost everything I do. It applies to some more than others. But one of the reasons I put it on almost everything I do as well is because of the algorithms of the algorithms, right? It's a way around the sensors. Right. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Right. It's a way around the sensors. And it's it's exact. And that just goes back to your point of ASMR being a vehicle for you to share your ideas and share your life. And specifically in this case, it sounds like it's the one thing keeping, you know, sensor tube from keep kicking you up. Wow. Yeah, that's amazing. What what a powerful tool. Yeah, yeah, 100%. The only reason I'm still on there is, like, it's, it's, I mean, one of the reasons is I mean, how bad is it going to look for sensor tube to take out one of the, you know, I started creating math videos, one of the one of the early educational channels out there, like, really, like, innovator, innovator. To a certain degree, I'm very proud of what I've done. I'm very proud, like, extremely proud. Like, wow, holy fuck. Right. Like, really, really should be. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and at the time, it's, it's at the time, it was just something I had to do. I didn't. But it's after the fact that you look back and go, wow, Jesus, wow, what? That was intense, what I did, right? But it's not going to look good for them, but they don't care, they're technocrats, they're fascists now, right? Yeah, exactly. So, you know, I'll, I'll do it for as long as possible. I'll retain the channel for as long as possible. Hopefully, we won't get knocked out. But they would they would be doing the world a great disservice to try to mess with you, teacher. Kind of a kind of a two-part question. So right now, you mentioned, you know, Ron Paul videos being ASMR for you. Could you tell me one, what other videos you watch now for ASMR? And even more importantly, if you can recall kind of your first one or some of your first ASMR experiences where you probably didn't know what it was. But like, I can remember being five years old, like watching golf videos, and having them and just passing on on the couch. So what do you remember some of your first ASMR experiences being? And then what do you watch now for ASMR? Yeah, it's one of the first experiences we've been getting haircuts, right? Like, you know, your kid, oh my god, like, like that to me. And for me, I haven't had I haven't gone to to get a haircut for a long time, because I'm bald. So whenever I would go get a haircut, even on up to like, or mid 30s or something like this, it was, you know, the hair would stand up and just, oh, son, you feel sleepy. It's just like, just relaxed. That to me is the first that I feel I felt. And, you know, there's no times where younger I don't, I don't get that sensation as often anymore, where all a son you sort of sitting there, because I'm I think one of the reasons is I'm extremely busy. Like, really, I've been going 150% for over 10 years now. But I used to maybe in my retirement, I'll start doing this again. But, you know, sit there and just think and just focus on something and watch nature birds. Because I did geophysics. So I was in nature a lot for 10 years. And a lot of environment to geophysics and, and I would go out in nature and just sit there and listen to the birds and listen to the wildlife and listen to the leaves falling, you know, cracking branches cracking and and whatnot. So that to me was a lot of ASMR. As for what I watch for ASMR, I don't intentionally right now seek out ASMR. For me, the ASMR I get is from interviews, lectures, like one of the Paul, I haven't watched it for a long time. Some of the contemporaries of Richard Feynman, where they were teaching physics, mathematics, quantum mechanics. So to me, a lot of, a lot of scientific lectures and discussions, it really calmed me down because I think it's the content as well. It's sort of the delivery, as well as the content because the content sort of reminds me that we are more than this. Right? Like that to me is really true peace. Right? What it really means to be human, what it really means to be human is not the material wealth or the material pleasures you require is realizing that you are beyond the material. Right? You are occupying matter and animating matter. Right? Once I get into that state, you build a connection with everything around you. And that's, that's sort of what science, science does for me. Those videos and those videos bring you peace. And I'd like to talk about the idea of peace because in your videos, your kind of the drums you keep beating, which are very important to beat are free asange, anti-war, anti-pipeline, anti-prohibition. Would you consider yourself an agent for peace in the world? My agent for peace. Can I be honored with such? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I've created my own chaos in my life. And I still do at times, right? I let speed get to me and I react too fast without thinking. Am I an agent of peace? I think Julian is asong as an agent of peace. I wouldn't put myself in the same category. Well, I hope you'll forgive me if I consider you as one. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. Absolutely. I'm okay. I'm just trying to, yeah, I feel like I've gotten the chance to ask so many, so many great questions. And I don't want to, don't want to keep you for too much longer. I have to actually go to my neuro lab. I got one question for you. I got one question. Yeah, absolutely. What type of music do you play with your drums? What are, what are you? Oh, yeah. So first, I'll ask you to check out my band. We're called Spud Cannon. Spud, oh, dude, send me the links. Send me the links. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'll send, I'll send, I'll email it to me. Spud Cannon. Spud Cannon, yeah, we consider ourselves garage pop or indie rock. It's me, my friend, Jackson, and then three, then we got three girls, they're all the same height, and they each have a different hair color. It's like a chooser fighter kind of thing. It's really great. So that's, so that's, I kind of do a lot of punk beats, pop beats. But what my real passion is Afro Cuban music, Afro Cuban music and jazz. I'm working with this amazing drum teacher named Roland Vasquez at Vassar. And he's, he's honestly more of a spiritual advisor than he is a drum teacher. What we talk about is he says, you know what, Ben, you can play faster than me, you can play whatever you want at this point, because I've been, I've been playing since I was five years old. But what he's done for me, which is amazing is I go in and we do 20 minutes of Qigong meditation. Oh, dude, I do that. And then, and then we play the drums and he's, and all he does is just critique my form and, and, and it has me do different breathing exercises. Because the thing, an image he gave to me, which was extremely powerful, is I was playing something and he's like, Ben, your entire brain is in your right hand right now. I can tell just by the way you're playing it, you are putting all of your attention into one of the four limbs that has to move. You have to lower your heart rate, bring yourself some peace and center yourself in your solar plexus, so that equal amounts of energy are radiating out to each of your limbs. And I thought about that. And then I'd go home, I'd go home and I'd just play the simplest little rudiments for an hour. And I would ascend to a different state of consciousness and I find myself in a meditative state. And I'm out of my body, but I'm in my body and it feels different. So yeah, drumming is definitely a meditation for me. Yeah, for me it was to for me it was to and the rhythms that we've that we've inherited from Cuba, from Africa, diaspora, you know, those are just the highest. It's the he says it's the highest drum language in the, you know, Northern Hemisphere. Yeah, Bonavista Social Club. Exactly. Yes, I've seen them twice. Yeah. With Bonavista Cuban with Ruben Gonzalez Piano with Ibrahim Ferrer, singing with Rai Kudur when he put out the first, you know, Rai Kudur, yes? Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yeah. Rai Kudur when he went to Cuba to find these old school musicians, Afro Cuban musicians, and he put out his first album with the Bonavista Social Club. I and they put out a second one as well. I wouldn't saw them live, man. Twice I've seen man. Dude, Afro Cuban, I went to Cuba five times in 90s. So I love, I love the Cuban beats, man. Love the Cuban beats. Yeah. Hits you to the soul, like. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Moves the soul, man. Moves the soul. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, man. So we I mean, you know what? I don't know if our paths will ever meet in person again, but we need to we need to play some drums together. I can't play no more, man. That's the thing. Like one thing with Neil Perth, I heard Neil Perth from Rush interview, they asked him, you know, people asked him why he practices so much. You know, they said, Neil, why do you practice much? He goes, because if I stop practicing, I'll lose it. Yeah. No, it's true. It's true. It's true. And I found out the hard way when I went to school away from my drum set, when I came back, I couldn't do it again. Not to the level I was. I dropped it a long time ago. Yeah. Well, well, you still well, once a drummer, always a drummer. My retirement. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, man. Well, Chico, what what a pleasure talking to you, man. Thank you very much. We have so much more in common than I could ever have. Thank you very much for the invite. It was it was a pleasure talking to you, man. It was a pleasure talking to you. You bring me peace this morning. Thank you very much. Right. Right. Thank you, man. I will send along some some links to my band, which I would love for you to check out maybe some other music and stuff like that. And I yeah, I hope I hope that our paths cross again. Yeah. And if you if you're uploading this anywhere, let me know where you're uploading it. If you're not uploading it, let me know. And if you're okay with it, I'll gladly upload this to my channel as well. Oh, beautiful. I would. It would be a pleasure. It would be a pleasure. I will. Okay, I will get you. I will get you the video. I will get you all of that. And I anticipate having something finished by late April. I also got to do my thesis and yeah, no rush. I'm touring all over the country. But yeah, we're gonna we're gonna make a no rush. We go 420 stop brother. Yeah. Amen. Amen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Well, cheers to you, my friend. Peace brother. Peace. We'll be in contact for sure. For sure. Be well. Be well. You all as well.