 We're having Trisha and Anxiao to the stage as well. And we have space for some questions from the audience. We have our mic runner here. So it works the way that you know by now. So wave your hand. And we have one first here. And you're going to do it by example. Say it in your name and where you're from and your question. Hi, I'm Fabian Hemad. My question is, so will they live happily ever after? They don't have to, because the important part is that they live happily right now. And what more questions do we have? That one answer just solves everything. OK, it solves everything. But while, because one thing that you stated was Anxiao, that this is a way of building courage, maybe you can build into your courage of asking question. But I saw the link between building courage, building your identity, as you talked about Anxiao. And this is also taking power to the people, picking up the use. So what does this development, if you could all comment on the link, say about the future of society or people? Who wants to feel that first? Because I mean, this is something we talk about, right? Quite a bit, so. Yeah, I can take that first. I think we live in this, at least in 21st century, we live in a media-saturated environment, especially 20th century South that rise at broadcast and all kinds of media telling a story from a very centralized point of view. But what I'm finding in so much of my research of how people are manipulating and changing media is that the way we play with media for fun can also be a way to play with media that retells a story for ourselves, tells our own story, creates a new narrative. And it's an individual story. It's not like we're able to broadcast this to everybody, but I think there's something really unique and compelling about being able to reframe a narrative and create the story that you want to see in the world and use that as a vision for a possible future. Well, and also you're seeing that what I think speaks to the power of a lot of this emotional expression is that it's people who may not necessarily speak the same language. It's like users in China are also taking images from mean girls and they've never been to America, but they'll be able to use that moment of emotional expression that's captured. And their culture may not have taught them how to emotionally express their sadness, but they're able to start doing that through these kind of gifts. So it's a very global kind of culture. And we talk about pop culture always as a negative thing, but the way I see it is in many places, pop culture is this vehicle for emotional expression. So do we understand it for, I've been working with performative art or contemporary art and then you can, if it's not verbal, you can actually tour the world with it because you usually address issues that are universally human. And is it the same here? Will I understand it where I come to, wherever I come to? Yeah, you know, it's funny that the sleep, I've studied the meme sort of space for quite a bit and two things I saw that were really interesting were that was first that you had things like image macros that were sort of spreading beyond the languages that were sort of displayed on the image. And that's because it's that visual portion, right? It's the expression of someone's face, it's a reaction phase, whatever it is, that people latch onto and they understand that because that's what's important is understanding the emotion more than the exact thing that you're upset about or happy about what have you. But the other thing that's happened is because of the rise of gifts, but that actually I should say, spread in Western countries and Spanish speaking countries and Japan and Korea, but I didn't see a lot of penetration into China or into Africa, right? And for various reasons, most of which Anshale has already written about and you should definitely go check her stuff out. But the other thing that happens is that there's enough acknowledgement of what that is and what that means that those spaces have created their own memes and their own formats that make sense for them. And I'm wondering if a lot of that stuff is gonna sort of come back over to the West and it has in some points, what was the one we were talking about the other day? Well, there's a lot of memes you're seeing from like China, the romantic youth, ideal youth meme where young people in China were posing different pictures in like three different stages of their life being like, you know, regular and then like stupid and emotional. But, and it really, you know, confronted the whole stereotype of like youth in China being like really emotionally restrictive and they didn't have multiple identities. And then you see it being replicated in the U.S. and what was that? In the West in general, right? In the West. Mostly in U.S. and Europe. And actually, no, actually also Spanish speaking countries, which is the what blank things I'm like, what the, what, you know, what my parents think I do, what I actually do, what, you know, that sort of thing, which actually started off from a Chinese, had a Chinese precedent, which was awesome. Yeah, and that's a lot of the stuff that Anshia was documenting is like looking at the spread of memes and so much of this has been going eastward or, you know, west from outward, but I think we're gonna see it originating here. We'll see, yeah, we'll see the other direction. Another one from Africa that I was looking at was a tweet like a foreign journalist coming out of, from Kenya and they're poking, poking at a journalist's perceptions of the elections in Kenya and another meme that was, sub-meme of that was someone tell CNN because it was specifically about CNN's depiction of the elections and then I've seen, then the Turkey, the Penguin memes from CNN Turkey, you had, they're all kinds of like CNN memes that have been popping up that I've seen since then and so you see much more, a lot of dialogue going in other directions and not just coming from the west. And before, oh, there's one, yeah, you can ask a question. Hey guys. Hey Kate. Hi. So Ancho, I love how you said that memes give voice to the voiceless. Have you seen any, seen any examples where the voiced have been trying to use this, use this for their own political ends? So like the hegemony and power holders using these techniques to try and maintain their grasp? Absolutely. And I think, you know, the same memes that can be used to poke fun at a dictator, as we saw yesterday can also be used to poke fun at marginalized individuals. The same, this is culture artifacts, these practices have, you know, can be used in many ways and what I'm trying to do with showing this is to complexify the debate is that when we look at memes, some people call them silly, some people call them awesome and fun, some people call them dangerous and harassing and those are all valid perspectives. But I've also seen a lot of evidence of how this can bring amazing voice and power to people who've not had a voice before. And so, so absolutely, there is that, there is an opportunity to use these memes to reinforce structural power dynamics, cultural, structural cultural dynamics, things like that. But at the same point, they give voice to so many contexts that it's difficult to deny that they have extreme power for those who are the most powerless. Thank you. And we actually have that, I must have that as the last question. And before we, thank you, I think with the connection to the discussion we had yesterday about online harassment, where the power which you connected to, the power behind all these actions and expressions are us as human beings. So that's where we always get back to what we do with our freedom of responsibility and expression. And thank you very much for taking all of us into what it actually means. And let's all give a big hand to our speaker. Thank you guys. See you.