all rightand we're live hellomy name is neil wallhauer i serve on thewormstock board of directorswe are pleased to present warm stuff2020.this year the wormstock conference willbe online onlywe miss having an in-person event and wehope we will be able to hold one againin the future today we'll present a fewinteresting topicsyou can send comments and questions tous using youtube chator internet relay chat we'll have a15-minute breakpart way through the event our firsttopic for warp stock 2020will be diminishing kumanov presentingthe new web browser for os2dimitri kumanov is a highly skilleddeveloper working for bitwise worksmartin give us give us a main thingfine right nowokayokay uh welcome everybody umi'll give a very brief update on thosetwo voice and then we'll go on to thepicture of this presentationyeah sorry i'm hearing a weird echo wheni hear myself talkthere is an echo coming back after about20 secondslet me do something about it becauseit's pretty much usingthere that's better um[Music]let's see here i'm sorry for the theforms that are a bitmixed up uh there is some still someactivity happening at os2 voiceumwhat is what has happened since may or2020 is that some people haveheard the long-standing initiative ofrpmos to voice.orgthat's still being worked on we'vereceived about20 to 30 rpm packages from the communitywe've been testing them some of them arenot working so we're firstdoing some good quality assurance andstandardizing themwith basic naming conventionsuh formatting the the file namescorrectlyand also making certain thatdependencies are working correctlyso the other thing that of whichthe uh the cog wheels have been inmotion for some timevoice will be funding the first roundof development of a new object rex portfor os2with shell integration will be doneby glasson fromi'm not certain i think he's yes he'sfrom russiaand he's already done a lot of the echosoftwaresoftware development such as file opencontainerzippy and dvd toysthe new system that we put up two yearsago also getting attention so there's alinkedin page there's twitterfacebook and people are reading thosemessages i know thatsocial media should be used forinteracting with people so i try to dothat astime permits but yeah that this kind oftimei'm kind of stressed for time with allof your activitiesso depending on how fit 19 and where wearei'm still hoping that in the next wellsummer in january or february we mightknow some more and if we canmaybe do a warp stock europe infrankfurt it was originally planned forlast yearbut then it was turned into ainto a digital war stockthe big chunk of the presentation willbe devoted to a new browserum to summarize uhfirefox 45 is slow running out of gasum it was made in 2017.i am not the only person that'sexperiencing havingissues with accessing new websites whichto summarize it use new web technologyand the rendering engine in the browserthatturns the pages that are downloaded intosomething that you can see on yourscreen and can click onthat rendering engine will be fallingbehindfurther and further but we've beenworking on the solution as you knowwe're browserand there will be a demonstration day ofthe newbrowser engine umand uh it has progressed very far i canuse it here i can visit now for thefirst timein about one and a half years i canlocal to pages like linkedinand other pages that use so called html5elements and so it's working sobut more on that later umas i said there will be a new uh warpstockum and we hope to do that in the thirdweek but that's depending on covidum i think thatthe short version is you know howfireballis always two we've got a new browsercomingkanoa is working on uh ue advice supportthey've done a blog post on gpt supportthere is usb 3.0 that's now readilyavailableso uh yeah i think that umas community we've always been used towell running a bit behind on certainitems but yeah we're a small communityso uh people that i speak fromoutside the os2 community are amazedwhat we get done soi think we certainly deserve a apatented shoulder for thatum if you're interested to write anarticlefor voice go to art contact meor then a posting can be done onarticleso2fosh.organd if you want to give us financialsupportwhich uh you'll hear more aboutin the upcoming presentation from dmitryand me uh you can go to os2voice.orgmembership so that's a quick run wherevoice has been um uhmartin can you please ask umcan you please hold um dimitrior are you still here ah yes sorry i'mstill here sureyes one moment please let mewhere is it here it isoh no let me okayi think it will be better if you willlead and i will join youas needed can you see this can you seethe slide to meet you or notyeah now i can see them but i i'm on mymobile and i don't have acomputer with me so it's better that ifyourun through them and i will comment onother questions um basicallythis is a joint presentation from meroderick uh from osu voice and dimitrikomnikov from bit race worksum herbie bowen find couldn't joinbecause ofprivate issues um and often hisuh is alsooccupied currently he he really wantedto join butuh due to private issues hasn't uhworked out as planned sothat's why dmitry and i are doing jointpresentationumif you basically look at the os2community there is a rough dividebasically there's the there's okanoadoing the development of the operatingsystemand all of the accompanying devicedriversum and releasing the operating systemwhich itself is agigantic gigantic task and then there'sbitwise worksdmvh from um fromuh from austria andit's co-owned by sylvan sharer hericbound fineand dimitri uhis my last name sorryit's not a problem okayuh what what dmitry sylvan uhand i been trying to make clear over theyears is thatum the few applications that you can buyin their webshop provide them theirsponsorshipis far from just that it's it's agigantic task in mayof this year they had already updated160[Music]libraries and software all of the dllsyou're currently using on your systemlikesaba firefox thunderbirds cupsit all leans on libsy etcso umi can say that mostly everything besidesthe operating system itself and itsdrivers is made bya bit wise i i can't believe that wayevery other bit of softwareout there especially a new release ofcurrent versions are made by usof course there are some older proprogramslike from the 90s or somethingwhich still are usable to some degreebut everything newcomes from bitwise it's just so thateverybodywould understand the amount of work wehave do because there's no other partiessupporting osu in all theselibraries like xml librarieslike ffmpeg libraries like the[Music]development tools like the compiler thegc compilerand the vc library libsyand all other tools uh the whole toolchainis just not there in terms of os2and no one cares about those twothere is not a single developer outthere besides usand people who help usjust a couple of other developers sobasicallyeverything besides the drivers and theoperating system itself is made by usit's really a lot of stuff i'll i'llmove to the next slideum one of the things that we also try toemphasize is thati think from an outsider somebody thatstarts tocompile for mostly linux code on os2in most cases the compile system is youcould saybroken with that dimitri i think wouldagreewhat that means is that in a lot ofcases libraries are missing they're notcurrentor make files etc everything in somecases needsmanual tweaking to get it compilingwhich is all a verytime consuming effort uh since nobodyelse is maintaining this stuffexcept a few other people like paulsmedleyum and co from south koreaand uh albert paul but uh or greg youngbut there are very few people that aredoing the bulk of the work sojust to demonstrate and to explainwhy it takes so long sometimesto have a new release of some new pieceof software it's because of thatit's because of there are only a fewpeople onlylike two or three uhdevelopers working on this or thatlibrary or project and they can bereally hugeand this is why it takes uh so much timeokay okay we'll go to next in themeantimei'm just taking a small break here tosee on theirc channel if there are any questionsor are there no questions martincurrentlyoh sorry waitokaynot that i'm aware of i i'm not certaini thinki think paul smedley or somebody elseasked aroundif there was interest for that but i amnot certain about thatwe have uh plans to work on pearl in thenear future actually because we neededit for something else i don't rememberbuti remember student mentioning that weneed a new port andindeed the current one is really reallyreally olduh but as i mentioned we have a lot ofother stuff to do and weas uh since we didn'twe didn't need it uh ourselvesuh we didn't care about that andif there is a demand we will of coursehave to workon that especially if it will be a showstopper for some other project orsomething like thatbut yes it's uh it's it'suh it's a really uhold version and it requires a boostindeedokay um as you've probably been awarethe um some of the projects that hadmanpower really required to get to keepit goingis all the work that has gone into thewhole qt projectone of the key things that as acommunity we should really look atis how can we use our resources moreeffectiveuh it was already decided about two orthree years agothat firefox development had to besuspended it was tootiming it too time intensive and it gavetoo littleuh return bitwise works picked upand started working on qd5 which is partto alsoport the web dll which is basically thenewengine that translates incoming webpagesin a website that can be displayed onyour screenfor that that has been a journey withitselfum it required a new version of the gccompiler to beuh brought out uh paul smith had alreadycreated the version but from what iunderstood that required some morepatches to befine-tuned uh get thatinto work uh you had to do updates tolipsey for uh whitespace characters ithink they'reyeah yeah this was one of the thingsthatwere required by the new qtversion and that were missing uhfrom gc for years so and from libsyfor years so i had to uh make themavailable inlibsy first and then gcc could also makeuse of itso yeah it was a long journey to getcurrent version which is suitable forforfor building qd5and that wa and there was more than justuh white character support there were alot of stuffuh other stuff that was also missing soit wasokay uh what was the last version ofopen office that was released was that417 or is there now a new version outuh i actually i don't remember the lastversion we did uhsilver would know better about thatuh i barely touched this project becausei have a lot of other stuff so i'm notsure butmaybe there was one or two newerversionsi've i've gone for to the next slide soyou've already started working on onyour own lip cuh fork umthat has required also extensive updatesto not only accommodate the browser butalso fix other thingsuh so i'll i've been doing uhlissy fixes here and there or almostconstantly and and everyone cancheck that by looking at our githubcommit blog in the library projecton jig hub website uh so yeahlipsy is what our version of lips isquite oldwell its development just got stuck whenuh knut awesome stan also stoppedactively supporting it so it was likea few years behind of uh of thecurrent uh current current stream so ihad toall these glitches here and thereto again to make it usable for uhfor the current versions of all thesoftware out thereincluding qt5 including all other portsincludingopenoffice itself because it needsa newer gcc compiler as welland the newer gcc compiler needs a newerellipsey library and so onsorry can you guys still hear me yeahbut something is wrong with your screenoh sorry wait sorry pardon therei think that's better yeah okayum the whole qt project has also learnedas one valuable thing as a community andthat'sjust like with openoffice you need tokeep theport current if you start falling behindyou need more timecomplicated to have a new version rightumthe whole qt engine the release of thathasmore or less according to the originaltime frame that waspresented by voice and bitwise works andthere are the reason there are twocomponentsbasically there's qt and to put itsimple that provideswidow elements like a menu apm window in which you have the browserdisplaying dataand then there's the web engine and thatis a huge dealthe current compiled version is 250megabytesit's huge and that has recently beenfinished let me switch over to the umthe qt web engine umhow long does it currently take you tocompile thewebkit bll dimitri uh the wholedll takessomething about 14 to 15 hoursto get it compiled yeah it's a debugversionrelease version is a little bit uhfaster like12 hours maybe or something like thatbut it's still quite a bit of timeand uh because of that if i changesomething in some poorlibrary like libsy for instance orlike gcc uh some gc headers it uhis almost a complete revealed of thewholewhole bunch of source files needed forchromium and that'shours and hours of compiling and itexplainsalso why it takes so long to moveforward with thatokay uma lot of other libraries also have to beupdated likeffmpeg used to display theum that is used to display sorryto display video streams yes yesuh recently recently you told merecently you told me you had to modifycx again because the webkit enginewas expecting memory management to workin a specific way that the os2 kerneldoes not provideexactly exactly uh chromium usesuh shared memory quite a lotand we didn't have an apialways two didn't have an api ellipse hedidn't have an api thatsuits the chromium requirementsuh regarding memory managementso i basically had to introduce a newapifor shared memory uh thatsatisfies all the requirements andused in chromium once i did thatwe got a working version of ityeah so it was quite an important stepwithout thatwe would be not able to make it work atalland it took like a month or maybe threeweeks tohave it done including testing andother stuff the second slidewe've already displayed last year butthe bottom line is thatit's it's it's always an uphill struggletoport software to os2 umbecause we are not a supported platformin any projectslike linux mac os or windows andthis is not something that's real that'sreally new in thatretrospect i mean basically for last 10years we've already been facing that butjust like with the gcc compiler thecurrent version that wethat was up until recently in therepository on that labswas version 4.9 i think was it notuh yes yes and that's about six yearsold andwe we get to see as the community thaton some placesour tool chain to compile softwaresimply running behind andthat's something that has made thedevelopment of this new browser take awhole lot more timebecause we've simply done stuff that wasnever done beforeum rightum i also can tell that theuh the falc browser we've decidedto drop that for now or maybepermanentlyand switch to your browser uhwhat dmitry found out is that portingthephone browser will require to port a kdelibrary from linux to osu and what wasyour estimate how long that would takeit wouldn't probably need a couple ofmonths or something like that and it's awild guess without looking under thehood soit's a it's quite a big piece a bigpiece of software called kdeframework which they did tosupport all other kde software so it'squite a big and basicbut something like two months andwithout any obvious benefitfor other projects because uhit's not widely used besides the kdworld we don't belong that worksworld so i don't think it makes sense tospend thesetwo months in our limited resourcesto port kd framework so this is whyi think it's portingfalcon is not a good idea especiallygiven that we havequite a nice author browser as areplacementwhat i'd like to say again clearly on o2world i've seenseveral people discuss what browser toputi think dmitry would agree with me thatat this moment in timepeople should understandthat with whole webkit browser theconcept of a browser itself should bedecoupled from the rendering engine whati mean with thatis that effectively there aredifferent qt web browsers and withfirefoxyou only get the rendering engine frommozillabut with the webkitengine is the rendering engine of cutethe qtdll set that does the work in thebackground in other wordsit's not the browser that really mattersthat for it it's truecertain things like keyboard shortcutsand certain add-ons those thingsmight be are are for a lot of peoplesomething that they would like to haveour viewpoint as bitwise works in os 2voice isthat as time will progress and there area lot of people already experiencing itthe primary argument for us is we wantto have a browser that can displaypage on os2 the add-ons are very nice tohave and for some peopleare requirements but the firefox valuesare 45will start to run into more and moretrouble and i keep getting reports fromother people as well that is simplybecoming more and more difficult todisplayuh certain webpages from my experiencethe chromium engine is much more is muchbetter than chromium engine on os2 andit'salready quite noticeable i would sayeven when i use this test browser onover to this test chromium browserusing uh ut uhand the chrome imaginguh it's it it behaves muchbetter than firefoxit's it's smoother it's faster ithas a better rendering quality and itdoes not look upthe pm uh which is also very importantit really feels lighter and fasterfeels lighter and faster in myin my opinion at least even this testversion and as i mentioned it's reallynotimportant which browser we choosebecause uhwhich ut browser which is because everyone of them will usethe chrome engine anyway and pages willbe renderedby the chromium engine anyway sothe browser is in this regard is just awrapper around this engine it's just ahigh level ui like the menus theshortcuts etc soall the hard work done by chromium andit'sjavascript engine uh looks much betterthanfirefox one it looks it works justbetter andlighter and fasterand in case people missed it uhi've seen different results but to behonesta couple of years ago when you wouldcall for example your bank and say thatyou were usingfirefox uh they would say ohwell it's not working oh sorry we'll fixitbut the market share of firefox has beendropping like a bricki've seen some estimates that that's nowdown to five percent soi don't hope it's going to happen butthere is a chance that firefox willsimplydisappear off help deskuh lists of being a supported browserthe current uh qt the currentwebkit engine that's used in thechromium browserand our upcoming qt browser is also usedby microsoft edgebasically os2 now has arendering engine that is simply industrycompliantand has a market share of roughly 85of browser usage so now the other reasonthatthis proves that this isn't a renderingengine and no longer juststick stuck to the browserdimitri and i have looked very brieflyat the telegramprogram telegram is ais a what app replacementwhich is much more privacy privacyconsciousthan whatsapp owned by facebookandit's also one of the few ummessenging apps that's completely opensourceall of the libraries and dlls can becompiled on os2with the current version of the webkitdll and the qtengine we should be able with the hellof him rule to actually get webcam andaudio support to work on os2now when this could be done or when thisis finished but i think dmitry that youwould agree with me that this is afeasibility that might workgetting webkit if weput a video and audio polls aside it'sdefinitely a work of a couple of monthsto have telegramtelegram on os2 it's not a problem atall given that we haveqt and given that thetelegram desktop desktop versionis written in qt basically and if youuse telegramfor desktop on windows you areusing a qt version of it if you useuh no mac store versionof telegram on macos you arealso using the qt version of it so andyou will basically have exactly the sameexperience on os2uh once we build it once we have itbuiltand it's not there is no atechnical issue that would prevent usfrom doing so we just need a couple ofmonths touh have it done heythere was one thing i'd like to say topeople that said that it couldn't bedonei'm not here to say that i want to provepeople wrongbut what i do want to statewith a lot of passion and commitmentis that i think the osu community canachieve a whole lot moreif a specific goal is set and once thethe goal is set that we stopwasting time on revolving doordiscussions becauseif it wasn't for us to voice therewouldn't have not beenanother browser for os2 and we wouldhave been stuck with firefox 45in different four discussions peoplesaid well what it bit wise worksquits realistically speaking it's 2020who would have toldyou five years ago that we would berunningarca os in the near future very likelyon uefi equipmenti'm not trying to be blunt or or rudeor disrespectful to anybody but what i'mtrying to say is thati think it could be considered a miracleand a pet on the shoulder of thecommunitythat we persevered and that we arepushing the platform forwarddespite being 30 years old i think it'scertainly a round of applause thatpeople in the community that contributeto the browserdid so and that we and we will bedemonstrating it very briefly so you canactually see it for yourselfin fact we hope to be releasing thebrowser in the next couple of weeksto the general public so that everybodycan test it for themselvesso like i thought this is a word ofencouragementyes it's true you can debate if acertain directionis the right way but i think as acommunity wewe spend so much time discussing stuffbutat a certain moment you should just putthe shovel in the groundand get going and we've done that withthe browser and as you'll seeit is working a lot better um i willflip the portion of thegcc libsy factory from this slidesbecause we've basically alreadydiscussed that yeahwe've mentioned quite a lot about thatalready so no need to repeat all thatthe the bottom line is is that there isa lot of work that goes intothe umthere is a lot of work which is not seenby the general public i would put itthis wayum i think dimitri would would recognizethat um os2 void or basically methat i've been pushing locomotive behindto get keeping the funding goingfor getting the bowser on trackright and uhlast in last year's warp star we'vealready kind of madeum a statement thatnew browser would basically go behindsome sort of apay wall now we very much understandthat umpeople expect software that's opensource to be ported free of charge andthe binaries be available umi've recently together with erin schwentdone some researchand basically the browser funding hasbeen funded more or lessby between 50 and 70 loyal donatorsthat have been donating the vast chunkof the moneyto get this project done anda lot of people are that's theirthat's their rights we don't want totake that away from thembut we recently analyzed the apacheweblogs of rpmnetlabs.organd we've seen that in the month ofaugust duringsummer break there were about five to600unique ip addresses of people using arcnoaa package manager to download updatesthat's a pretty stark contrast to howmany people are donatingso yesthat needs to change and as i've alwayssaid free software doesn't grow on treesuh we've already made quite clearfrom our point of view that portingsoftware to os2 is not a matter ofdownloading the sourcesand clicking run or making compile itneedsmoney for thatit's not yet set in stone let me firstof all saythe people that have providedsponsorship to theuh browser these people will not beforgottenand they will get access when newscheme will be put up and you aresomehow missed outplease either contact me from voice orsomebody at bitwiseworksand we will instantly give you accessdepending on how much you donated wewill probably provide you one year ormorefree of charge access the basic way thatthis is going to work is that thebrowserwill be available free of charge allsource codeunconditionally will be available fromthe differentrepositories so everybody can compilethiseffectively we're going to introducewith this is exactly the same what wewhat bitwise works has been doing withopenofficeyou pay for the binaries and you pay forthe supportright the browser will be available freeof chargebut there will be a fixed home pageglued into it and uhthat will go to a web page informing youthat youyou are encouraged topay for the updates and if you want toget supportwe're considering of about 30 euros ayearand with that based we can also continueworking keeping the browser current thewebkit engineand that way keeping os to currentbrowser support not having to go throughthe whole problem againwith the browser that's slowly goingdownhilli think demeter you will agree with methat uhweb standards like html5 that thedevelopment of that will only goquicker within the next couple of yearsyeah yeah of course no doubt about thatso the people that would thendonated or would buy access for thiswould getaccess to a password-protectedrepository and in therewould be the versions of binarieswithout the browser without thefixed home page in it and possibly wewoulddelay updates of the browser tonon-paying people with a couple ofmonthsthat will most likely not happen in theinitial period as we first need to getto a browser that's really uh productionreadyand i think we're getting very close tothat actually you can see with theupcoming demo in a couple of minutesso but yeah we feel thatum this is the only way to encouragepeople to um toum to support the projectand we think that there are many moreoe2 users out there becausethose five to 600 ip addresses that wasin asummer vacation in august anda lot of people also don't use arc noahpackage managerso um we think that there was a wholebunch of other people thatwould uh hopefully be endorsed tosondrateif people think that bitwise works issomething that makes yourich sylvan and herb put a lot of unpaidhoursand sylvan regularly providessponsorship himselfbetween two to 500 euros a monthall source code again of advice works isfullyaccessible to the general publiceverybody can compile itexcept enjoy firewall so eve and i thinkdmitri will alsounderline that when we introduced newbrowser modelsources will not be withheld when thesources areupdated they will go instantly into thepublic repositoriesso if there is anybody that wants tocompile the binariesthey are free to do so so they're morethan welcomesure of course every bit of uh sourcecode is and will be alsoavailable online free of charge foreveryone and we are not allowed to dootherwisebut we are bound by the licenseagreement by the gpa lessonsso and all of our modifications to theseuh to all the software we do we alsohave topublish and we do that so every bit ofos2 uh work which we do is alsoavailable online free of charge foreveryone toreview to using their own projects andto do whatever the license allows themto doso yeah this is an important beat aswellokay okay this is the first publicdemonstration of the new browserum i don't even knowit's not the browser itself it's a testapplication from qtit's it's a demonstration of the qt webengine of the chromium web engine thisisthe right way to put it that's right yesthank youum there are a couple of things that arenot working yetsound is not working but we already havea required library for thatwe've already been testing it with someother web pages like youtubecnn.com the dutch public news websitenos.nl and they are all loadingand you can actually hit the play buttonon the videoitem and it will start play however dueto somethingnot working in the um in the browser orthe webkit engine the video only paysfortwo to three seconds and stopsactually plays further but very veryvery slowlylike for one second in half a minuteor something like that it just goes onvery slowly something with theuh with the time frame or withhandling the time of the video stream ithink it's something in chromium andwilleventually fix that of course uhright now it's one of the fewlimitationsthe other thing before i give ademonstration i really need to warnpeople fordo not run on the pentium for cpuyou are free to do so but i think meetrywillemphasize that this new web browser isvery resource hungry yeah well any newbrowser is very resource hungry becauseuh website creators have a lot of jazzscripts a lot of other things like thatwhichmake web which make most of the websitesreally really really hate especiallythosewith the fancy loops with a lot ofgraphics a lot of animations and stufflike thatthey're really expensive in terms of cpuand memory usagesomething has changed on screen yes i'mswitching over to demonstration mode andpeople see me on the webcam now or notsorryum yeah we can see the webcam yeahoh sorry wait no it is working onemoment pleaseyeah yeah i need to movetripod here i want to actually use anhdmi grabber but the best thing thatcould come up with wasputting a browser on my laptop this isnot running the vmthis is a bare metal o2 installationand the question that i really have forother peopleis are there any web pages that you haveexperienced over the last couple ofdays or weeks that you want to seeloaded on this web browseri frequently use linkedin also forpromoting os2i'm not able to log in with firefox 45for more than a yearand here is my linkedin page loadedon firefox uh on on the newwebkit engine and it's not only usingfirefox engine it's a chromium engineyeah sorry crow you mentionedinside a test uh application from qtsonow one of the things that you can seefor example if you go to youtube but asdmitri explainedthat is currently not yet working isthat it can loada website i'm just opening upany random sorry can you move yourcamera to the lefta bit because you're showing half of thescreen the otherdirection right stop stop that's betterokayuh i'm just i'm just picking anyrandom video here let me justtake something so that you can see thatthe video actually playsnow the thing is that umwhat you can see here is that itactually is decoding the first couple offramesand then it quits as you can see it'sslowly moving and that's something thatwe still need to fixbut we've already been testing withother websitesthat every everybody can notice howfast are the is the ui theuh youtube ui you can instantly call theplaythe timeline and the buttons they appearquite fast if you move the mouse in theright area it's really working very wellit's just thetime frame it's just the uhthe time which is running very slow forsome reasonbut it's something i will definitely fixum i am trying to i'm now currentlyum um[Music]looking at the irc channel is thereanybody that wantswants to see a specific website load onum on new browser that they were notthey were not able to umto load on their browser i thinksomebody'sanswering yes open spotify.comoh if i have asked that oh yeah okaythat's spotify.comuh well it may crash or something likethat soit's just a warning because we didn'ttest it a lotwhat it even works here's the spotifypage now of course the thing is youmight need to log inum and actually umbefore you can actually test it somebodyelse alsoasked for um for slackdid you test that dimitri slack noactually i didn't try it but you can tryright nowi don't have my long credentials readyuhslack. slack.com yesthere might be some tests some demologging or something but welli i'm not at my computer right now so iwon't be able tohelp you here but well i'msure it will work you recentlysent me an email from yeah i've beenactually testing some websites yesterdaywith steve levine uh one of thewebsites that that's really a doublesomeone to load i think isum umatt.com was it not steve wewe tried us bank that's correctwhat you're seeing on more and more ofthese pages are what we callwhat i call html5 elementsoh i think this one isn't i'm notcertain if this one's actually workingoh here you can just load the entirepageand one of the things that you're seeingmore and more with firefox 45is that these new type of designelements have anissue with loading the site correctlyand that's not or you get for exampleempty buttons i don't knowdimitri has been working on fixing someotherissues i could for example not log intothat's a typo i couldn't log intomy dutch bank accounti don't know if it's now working fasterbecause there was still an issue withthedisk with browser cachebut this website also doesn't load i'mi'm sorry i'm going to log in onlinewith my bankcredentials sothere's another question uh they'reasking if this is the other browser thatwe're looking ator it's a test application from utit's a demo browser from a set of qtexamplesfor the web engine module it's calledsimple browser something like that it'sa programwith a hundred source slides or lines orsomething like thatokay is this is this a browser that isgoing to be releasing like in two weeksuh no show yes okay well it's uhvery impossible to release in two weekswhat aboutauto browser well we have such a planbutit will show up how it will go on itneeds a fewlibraries it needs one qt library whichwe still missit's a very simple library we justdidn't have a need for thatso yeah it's it's it's doable if you'reluckyif you're not well it will take a monthor something like thatthis this is a reddit page either i amasked if that could be loadedand here you have the reddit page nowone thing i must warn youfor is that sorry you can't scroll upagainbecause there is a normal html5any mission and it just works you canscrolldown again there is an animation scrollwill be down uh well this is the videoyeah okay it happensmaybe it's out of memory or somethingactually because it needs quite a lot ofmemoryuh it wasn't it wasn't up that faractuallybut the reddit web um asked if thereddit page couldbe loaded uh and yes the slack pageoh okay andreas andy bay is askingbitwise worker if the slack page can beopenedum but we already went to the slack uhwebsiteopen no this is in the irc channel theyare requesting if ifthis page can be specifically open withthe messagesit's this url i just typed it overyou can try oh you need tosign in here to log in i don't have mycredentials in this new browser startyetso you can try totake it off and provide your credentialsi mean switch the video oftemporarily so you could provide yourcredentials ifpeople insist on trying that right nowwhy notuh one well i also would like to warnpeopleabout the uh about this laptopthis is a uhuh a dual core uh laptop with anintel centrino it so for this browser iwould not call thisuh a high-end machine sojust keep that in mind i think it's safeto say that you would need at leastuh something of a quad core or somethingof an i3 or an i5 to really runcomfortable with this thingyeah yeah quite quad core is ismuch better for for firefox as wellfor any modular application because theyare really greedy foruh for for cu juice and forfor other resourcesi'll try and learn with my googlecredentials they're useless anywaysoi'm not sure if it will work[Music]but you can try well i i'm not sure ifit's going tolet me try that ohyou also still have to fix something ona httpissue right sapissue what's that httpsit's complaining that my browser is safeah okay yeah well no no well there arethere might be some issues in thatregard but i need to look at thatspecific case becauseuh on all websitesall https websites i tried it with itworks really well so theremy i'm just reading back through theuh logs here let's see here somebodymaybeask asked about maybeour certificatedatabase is outdated or something ididn't i need to take thatbut with this website i tried it worksokay okay umbut yeah the question is when this isgoing to be released weare considering to uhstart making this available umbut also in parallel we want to startputting theinfrastructure that people can startsponsoring i think it we're now at thepointthat um the browser is starting tobecomevery usable um some of the quirks stillto be ironed outoh yeah newest ask oh blondeguy.com yesnew is asking if we can use your companywebpagethat i think will just load fine thatwebsite i think in terms ofhtml5 is pretty simple here you go newherehere is your uh blonde guy websitei can just click on button here and seeif that'swarp stop is that with httpslet me try let me go back oh no it's notlet me switch on https herenow it's with https thank you firefoxcannot do thatno and that's probably contributable tothe fact that it's something has to dowith tls 1.3correct i know there are new tiers 1.3uh builds available probably firefox 45will just remain in maintenance on os2for the foreseeable futurebut stuff like tls 1.3 supportthat can be added the real issue isbasicallydisplaying these new types of renderingparts and that's probably that codesorryand javascript as well yes soare there any other websites that peoplewant to test ori'm just waiting here for a couple ofseconds to give people an opportunitybecause there's a delay in the streamyes sureoh i think that was one of the websitesthatwas discussed on the oh google docsum i'm pretty sure it will work and asfar as i remember i even tried it onceor twicewhile you are logging ini can mention that i tried gmailwith that and gmail works pretty well ifyou remember uh firefox has an issuewith that when you try to compose a newmail in gmail it starts eatingthe cpu like hell and it's basicallyimpossible toend up your lat to finish your letterandthere is no such a problem with chromiumi can easily sendmessages and do whatever i want in gmailalready nowwell for some reason it's not when i gotodocs.google.com i instantly get a pagethat that i've got aninsecure browser for whatever reasoni have no idea why because for me itworkedby the way uh well there is a reason whyslack complains and by google docscomplaints iguess because uh currently we have aqt 5.13it's a little bit outdated and it usesuh chromium version which is deprecatedbygoogle and they are checking for thechromium version andsee that it's quite old it's like twoyearsalready or something like that which isconsidered very olduh from their perspective and this iswhy they complainand once we update qt to qt5.15 we will get a recent version ofchromium and thisproblem will will have gone okayand it will not take a lot of time todo that because there is there are noany significant changes in there it'sbasically justa matter of compiling everythingwe will also do it in the next in theupcoming weeks as well sothis is what i think is the problem herewiththe slack and with the with googledocumentsbut you can try gmail instead it workswell i think it's going to have the sameproblem then i assume becauseas soon as i want to log in with withwith my account so as soon as i want torunwith my account it stops workingthat's strange because gmail i triedrecently andmany timeshere it's this website when i try to login with mynoand yeah i have to log in through thisaccounts.google.comsubsystem and it works at my machinelist i don't knowno it's it's still complaining that thethat thebrowser or is is possibly not secureso okay are there any is it paidis there a button to skip that test nopethere's only a button more informationavailable there's nothing to skip itokay maybe uh oh i surely tried it likeaweek ago or something like that but it'sreally possible thatthey uh they addedthis version to a bunch of deprecatedonesjust just a couple of days ago orsomething like thatto give other people a bit of animpression what it can do if you forexample go to a website likeabcnews.com just to pick a pagei i seem to remember that that websiteis pretty extensive in terms of whatloads then yeahyou get this whole list of items thatgets all loaded and it's these types ofpages that are very difficultto get loaded in uh in firefox soum it's much betterplease don't talk about politics[Music]all right yeah so well i i think thesedaysevery webpage that you try to load is uhishas passed content of the us elections idon't think it really matters in whichcountry you goso yeah umokay that wraps up our presentationwe should on your machine failbecause it should just workand it doesn't my machineah yeah darshan is asking if there'sgoing to be a strategy toto migrate from firefox to the newbrowserlike the bookmarks yeahlike library bookmarks yeahand passwords uhwell it'sdoable per sewell chrome has such a function butthis part is proprietary so we wouldhave to invent thatourselves and i don't think that we willhave that we will spend time with thatunless the author browser already hassome import functionality which is uhpossible i didn't check that but it'spossible you can try a windowsversion of it to see if it's there ornot and if it hasever an option to importuh bookmarks and passwords from firefoxthen we will have thatif not i'm not sure it's not a majorissue here souh it's doable but it would require someworking hours which we don't have iguessso but it can always always be done byhand it's not an issue in myopinion thisdarcio is asking what plugin add-onsupport is like wellthat depends on the browser and also forplug-in support if you're talking aboutbrowser plug-ins likeflash or java sporti'm afraid that that is uh as much asdead as a dornelbecause the flash support on windowsthe plugin from adobe is going to bephased out at the end of this yearand all time to support the flash aregoing to bedeprecated by adobe this year or nextyear somewheredeprecated and the most browsershave they completely cut outsupport at all and i saw a messagefrom some broad browser about that likea month agoor something like that it was eitheropera browser i don't remember exactlyoror chrome on mac os so i'm pretty sureit's done alex taylor suggested i load awebsite calleduh apox.comwhich is filled with javascript and youcan see it loaded[Music]and it loaded in a couple of seconds butplease keep in mind that this is aslow laptop i knew that the topic andthen i think it's just about time thatwe wrap upi know that the topic of data migrationof uh of data from old browsersand ad blocker etc comes up butthe key element for people to understandis that yes we wanted to support thoseadd-ons like ad blocker butour first primary goal with this was toat least providea browser because yeshaving add-ons on the browser in a yeartime that will not render any pagesthe choice is yours that you either haveto boot into a different platformand that's where voice and bitwise workswas the keyelement and we're seeing more and morepeople that need to reboot to anotheroperating systemor to perform other tricks to access awebpageand that for us was always the primarygoal here was to get a browser that canat leastdisplay a page on the platform and thenthe other things for us to be veryhonest withwere a secondary thing if you need toboot up your windows or linux box orgrab your mobileto uh watch a websitewhat is the use of an add-on that worksin firefox 45yeah exactly and by the way as far asrememberthe author browser hasan ad blogger built in so it's not aplugin it's apart of the browser which gives a lot ofbenefits in terms of performance anduh functionality i didn't godeep in in that topic but it's uhit's at least there and it's not uhit's as good as the popular ad blockerplugging on chrome orfirefox so we have that there andthere might be other thingsbuilt in like some password manager orsomething like that there is a lot offeaturesin that browser withdone as native extensions tothe browser itself not as plugins butthere is also a way to supportthe chrome web extensions whichare basically pluginsfor for modern browsers which everymodern browser supports right now andthis we will have someat some point there is in the uhmessage uh roadmap from the authordeveloper which states that this supportwill be added soon and of course as soonasit's down there we will get it for freeso yeah lewis also posted that sowhat we're trying to bring the messageacross is thatwe feel that this was the best effortthat we could do to bring osu backon a current browser and withoutif people want to choose using firefox45 but i think that the writing is onthe wall that amount of pagesdepending on what you access will startto decrease its functionality especiallywebsites of banks government using html5soi think that we should wrap up and thankeverybody for theirtime and attention please considermaking a donationvia voice or bit watch works[Music]you can find that on osuvoice.orgmembership.html or go tobitwiseworks.comand make a donation there again ii think that as a community we've donethe impossible nobody thought it wouldget a new browser well you see itrunning hereum we hope to release thatsummer in november beginning of decemberso everybody can use itand they can do a test ride forthemselves so are any other questionsum no there are no more questionsokay then i'd like to thank everybody uhfor their timei could thank everybody there uh acrossthe atlantic for putting uphere in november as an alternative forrule onehope to see you guys at least next yeari'd like to thank everybody here uh forjoining the presentation and uh againi'd like to thankeverybody who has contributedfinancially to the browserso that we could finally bring it tothis to thisin my opinion bit of a historicaljourneyi know how much work dmitry has had toput into accommodate all sorts of things thatwere outdated on ios 2 soit has certainly been an epic journeybut as you can see it's working sookay thanks for your time uh thank youfor joining us uhand uh everybody stay healthy and uh ihope to see you guysuh hopefully in frankfurt in may nextyearif the whole code isstuff how's that okay i will be signingout nowand enjoy the rest of warp stock thankyou for time