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Resource-Based Economy explained to Mises-Monetary-Market-Man

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this is a response to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWs6jqtXiGs

Mate you're fucked in the head!!! The truck driver wants a coffee, so he stops at a coffee shop and then the shop owner gets data in return for their coffee. WHAT THE FUCK IS DATA??? What's the point??? Jesus Christ the world has finally gone insane
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If Jesus Christ where alive he would be all for a RBE. remember the flipping tables of gold. The world is waking up from the bullshit of money. Do more research.
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Money is not "on top" of the data. Price the very data you are talking about. Also money is also not the only option for resource allocation, nowhere close. In families care is not given to the child if he or she pays. It's given (if you have good parents) based on cries or general need parents are tuned into, a system honed by biology. Price is used when it is effective and not when it isn't. All Zeitgeisters are trying to do is take out the reciprocal nature of markets, the part where you have to give to get. 
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The "large box man" does not understand the nature of data of "stores", and the decision making process behind an "order".  It is NOT based on need... and he does NOT understand that money is information...  it's key, critical information, quantified. It can NOT be managed based on lists alone.  That would create amazing amounts of waste. A store in a RBE system would order FAR more than needed in order to make SURE that they will not run out.  A store does not worry as much about this... all they do is raise prices as they run low.... which moderates consumption. It is shocking that he doesn't see that production today is not based on massive amounts of cooperation.  The market is almost entirely cooperation, and only a small amount of competition.
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What if there is only one coffee shop and the worker wants to go on holiday. There will not be any coffee available unless there is a replacement person. But where does that replacement person come from? Your computer? What if the person doesn't feel like working that day? What if 1 day everyone thinks fuckit work is boring i'm retiring? This example sounds ridiculous simply coz the whole concept is ridiculous. 
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"We can't wish it to appear."  It's sad that he doesn't understand what he has said.  All he said is that RBE can't deliver what you want... 
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"i think the guy in the box (appropriately) had one valid question which kept repeating - how do we manage scarcity?"  Scarcity will be reduced for many things, but obviously some things will remain scarce like today. But the goal of the system is to try to work around scarcity, the more we do this, the more efficient and sustainable the system will be overall.
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Surf, skydive, golf on the moon are his concerns with RBE? I don't see how his ability to surf would change, nor skydive. I don't see anything in an RBE that would prevent people from doing this, other than availability of resources and demand. It is interesting to note his constant reference to, and desire for, these exotic, byzantine thrill adventures when a tenth of the planets population lacks the basic necessities of life. As if life isn't an adventure in itself. But that's the thing about our current economic system, its ability to manufacture goods and demands as well as commodify just about anything and everything. Which brings me to his point about golfing on the moon. I don't understand not being able to golf on the moon as some sort of criticism of RBE when it is something he can't even do in our current economic system.
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I'm stopping watching after 9mins - just at the bit when you said there is no point in people competing with each other. LISTEN - your utopian dream world will never exist because it neglects 2 main facets of human nature - greed and selfishness. This is what drives the world forward and motivates people. I know you will counter saying that we should all be reeducated etc - believe me I am not capable of being reeducated. When you can educate 2 silver back guerrillas to coexist and share i might believe that the Zeit might work. Look stop being a loser, get a fucking job, work hard and make your family proud! 
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I can see you read your economy books. Too sad current psychological and social knowledge doesn't support your claim. Now, bring the debate on, show me any evidence people are fundamentally selfish and greedy. Because I can show you a ton of evidence going the other way. And forget reeducation, no reeducation bullshit here.
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@MASK81 again, the incentive is to have a functioning RBE. as long as people don't want that and would rather live in the shitty system we have today, there won't be an RBE. but when enough people realize that they could have it so much better if they simply did the few things that are necessary to have a functioning RBE, it will work. all it takes is a value shift and the will of the people to do it.
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If you've never heard of a thought experiment, you are in the wrong place. Please redirect yourself. It is nice to think of only resources, but what of EXPERIENCES? They are still important and still must be considered, you cannot simply ignore them and expect them to go away, you either have a solution or you keep the same one and it will get worse than the current solution. "Oh hey you want to parasail? Wait in line buddy", but now the line is 50 times as long.
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@TheGoldenKing20 Are you deaf? Making up that this is a central planned economy doesn't help you
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@brightgeistmovies that incentive should exist in EVERY type of society. it doesn't. Ergo, try again.
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@brightgeistmovies "the only times when money has a direct influence is when it LIMITS someone from doing something that would otherwise be possible." Dude, if you are going to build a machine, you need people working, natural resources, tools, energy and etc. Money just quantifyes all that so you can know the cost of building the machine. And by cost Im not saying monetary cost, but how many things I give up just to build the machine. All the resources could be used to do other things.
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Money systems inherently aren't free. What is an exchange? It consists of two gifts happening between 2 agents where both agents require of the other that their gift is given. Requiring someone to give you something in return for what you give to them is coercion and inherently not free. Currency is a generally accepted gift used to make exchanges more efficient, but it still requires an exchange to exist and thus is inherently coercive and thus by definition inherently NOT free.
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@ApocAlypse6275 : not only will this be a natural, organic, flexible way of doing it, but it's also completely invulnerable to any kind of accident or attack as a whole, and it will also make people feel much better than telling them there will be a centralized database! this is important! we need people to WANT an RBE, otherwise there won't be an RBE! and the solution that works better is also the one that people won't be so afraid of. so tell me what the logical thing to do is...
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@brightgeistmovies but do you really think 100% of the people will do their share of the work? I think you are way too optimistic if you think so. In a perfect world, that may work, but as you know its not one.
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@brightgeistmovies Putting the world's resources in the hands of a few is hardcore centralization of power, only the people who would wish to exploit it will flock around. Until we've found a concrete method of preventing corruption, centralized planning will always yield far worse results than a free market.
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The black shirt guy is piggybacking on market economics. Inventory has everything to do with the price mechanism. Without prices you would not be in the position to accurately allocate resources. Your inventory would not be the same and your data nonexistent You also expect people to do what they do now without compensation? laughably naive
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also Automation WILL eventually replace most Tasks. Without money it will be almost mandatory it does.
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@brightgeistmovies WRONG! how many times have u said that HUMAN VALUES must change before a RBE will WORK? you have said it numerous times! if values must change that means your changing the environment not the economy.. you are really...difficult.
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@MASK81 there is an incentive to work in an RBE, and that incentive is to HAVE A FUNCTIONING RBE. that's the greatest possible incentive. dating and romance? same as today. an RBE is an economic system, got nothing to do with dating and romance.
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great response BUT its amazing to me to see AGAIN how you TRY to convince someone that a rbe is not centralized. It is. And I explained it to you here ( bitDOTly/mCb0kk ) at lenght. Also here it is also said its centralized: bitDOTly/iMWtVJ and again pj says it himself here: /watch?v=ozy52bZ6JTw#t=21m10s so please try to absorb new information and dont sit on your "OH NO ITS NOT CENTRALIZED" statement all day. thanks.
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@asyIum everyone gets whatever they need in an RBE. an RBE is not based on barter, exchange or "this-for-that" in any way. it's based on creating whatever the society needs together in the most efficient way possible. and it's also based on a value shift. that means, in an RBE, i wouldn't mind if you don't work at all and i do work, because i would love to do some work for my RBE society so that it functions, and if you don't want to contribute, then that's your choice.
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Producers can only know the future consumption by predicting the future relative prices of the apples. In a society that everyone could have how many apples they want to, without the notion of opportunity cost, you simply can not predict the future consumption, and thus you can't decide what and how many goods to produce.
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i think the guy in the box (appropriately) had one valid question which kept repeating - how do we manage scarcity?
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@ApocAlypse6275 : yeah well, i did look into your links, and the information on the german project website was obviously put there by someone with the same misunderstanding as you. look, it's simply ridiculous if you want to tell me that an austrian farmer is going to feed information about his 5 milk cows into a "global centralized database", when all he needs to do is deliver his milk locally. or chinese rice farmers, or any other local producers. that's BS.
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@MegaMindgames And saying it isn't a centrally-planned economy when it obviously is doesn't help you either, just like saying it ISN'T Communism over and over again doesn't make it not so. Go give Queen Fresco a spongebath and leave me alone, drone.
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@ApocAlypse6275 : if you really want to go by sources instead of thinking for yourself, then listen to some of the newer materials, such as Peter Joseph's latest radio show, or several episodes of V-Radio and Z-Radio, and you will (hopefully) understand how it works without the need for a centralized database. let go of that stupid and unnecessary idea.
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@ApocAlypse6275 : oh come on, don't start playing this cheap game of twisting the words in my mouth now. when i said "it works", i was obviously refering to you saying that without a centralized database there would be shortages. and when you look at germany or austria or any other similarly "developed" countries today, there are very few (if any) shortages, because goods are simply produced and delivered in accordance with the respective demand. and it's not the money that regulates that.
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there would be huge compensation. the compensation or incentive would be to live in a world without poverty, starvation, social inequality, war and environmental destruction, as opposed to living in the shithole of a world that we live in today. to any intelligent human being, that would be more than enough incentive to work something like 1 day per week, which would be more than enough for an RBE to work.
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Hi Pyrofyr2. Thought experiments are to find solutions. Random illogical questions do not do this. Luke asks some good questions, but "100,000 people want one tonne of Aluminium all on ONE day"? Seriously? Hardly. Even if we DID need that much for some REAL need, manufacturers, engineers, etc. would (and do NOW) know WEEKS/MONTHS in advance. Individual experiences won't change "suddenly" in a RBE. People will be people. It is about intelligent planetary management, not controlling individuals.
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@TheGoldenKing20 And which economic model do you pefer? And we are talking of a model for the whole world. I'm interested in your answer :). By the way, the only thing that is centralized in a RBE are the the resources. And that has to be and should be in ANY kind of economic modal.
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@darris321 no, you are misinterpreting my argument. capitalism is inherently a system that creates values of greed and corruption. therefore, what you are suggesting, is a logical fallacy. people in a capitalist system cannot simply decide not to screw people over, because the capitalist system demands everyone to screw each other over. and communism never worked because it wasn't based on voluntarism.
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@MASK81 you simply haven't understood the first thing about the RBE idea. the idea is to work together on a functioning society, because that delivers the best results for the least amount of work. if you haven't understood such a simple concept, i don't know what to tell you. you just don't seem to be a team player.
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An alternate analogy to the training wheel, is stone tools to build the means to develop the bronze age tools, the stone tools are needed but phased out. Hate money, i dont hate neolithic stone tools. Money creates an environment that exudes conflicts of interests.
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@brightgeistmovies last time i checked there was limited attractive people in the world, what creates these attractions? looks, wealth, intelligence? etc etc. dont u think people would try to get the best possible partner? its nature to try.. if i dont need to work ill be trying to improve myself physically and mentally while I expect others to continue building this great RBE? I dont think so..
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Even the mining of Aluminum can be automated. There is nothing on the planet that is actually made of money. There is absolutely no reason to continue using it. Automation is going to occur whether we go RBE or not. This will make human labor obsolete. If we do not let go of money the present unemployment rate will continue until only a small percentage of people will have any at all. Then we will all be slaves. It really is not that tough to grasp. You are both making it to complicated.
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@TheGoldenKing20 Genocide? Greatest threat to mankind? Amock? And you saying I'm brainwashed :D! It's the monetary system that's causing genocide RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT! ... and again ... and again! Want to know, how many deaths this cool system has caused today? I don't anymore ... it makes me sick. Anyway ... it will be a change. Well see which one ...
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@ApocAlypse6275 : all we need to do is to connect every "node", every producer, every refiner, every distributor, every consumer and every recycler to the "nodes" that it needs to be connected with. then we have a "tree", a network that automatically works, because every node manages itself with the information it gets from its own "synapses" in this network.
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In simple word.....a Resource-Based Economy = giving a VOICE to MOTHER EARTH which is LONG OVERDUE!
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@brightgeistmovies It solves nothing then if it requires a value shift. Free markets would work amazingly with a value shift, communism would work just fine with a value shift. Free markets work the best without such a shift, work gets done because everyone is following their own self interests, and the interest of others if they so choose. There are many fraudulant policies in our current system that prevent a fair free market, we need to address those first.
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RBE just wont work because everything is free, when things are free, they are taken for granted. And why would all those people keep doing the mediocre jobs when they dont need to, and even if the person gets the aluminum, why would others want to work for him/her?
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you guys need to seriously just meet up with prepared questions and film for all of us.
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I do wonder if lukebessy has actually gleaned much of the literature regarding The Venus Project. His questions and issues don't suggest that he has done so. I would advise that he consult the FAQ section of the VP website before formulating any more questions. He is more than welcome to his concerns, but I ask that he try to fully understand that which he is concerned about. He also does not seem to have a complete understanding of the workings of the current money system.
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@MASK81 of course you have to make an economy fit the environment. that's exactly what an RBE is all about.
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@brightgeistmovies Then we just disagree. I don't believe that capitalism inherently is a system that creates values of greed. That's why people who are corrupt go to jail (occasionally lol). The reason the corrupt CAN go to jail is because our society still looks down on corruption and greed. It has not been made a value. The communist argument you have provided doesn't address that it could work with a value shift. What if someone voluntizes not to be in your voluntarism?
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@brightgeistmovies "it also works"? the whole system is wasteful and inefficient i thought you would know that? there is a huge potential for increase in resource preservation and efficiency when you simply know where everything goes and what is needed, where and when. More information -> "better" decisions. I think we both listened to those lectures ...
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@brightgeistmovies why dont u RBE people build a better one and prove us wrong? your argument is weak! u keep saying everything is better.. why dont u all move to a small island somewhere and do what u got to do and see how your society fails..!
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@LBFallon You are the fool, demand comes from necessity not the price are you that much brainwashed allready? The demand to an apple doesn't come from the price but the need for an apple. OMG and you call others fools
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It amazes me that there are still peope today who think centrally-planned economies can work. I'm sorry, but changing the name to Resource Based Economy doesn't change the fact your favored economic model is a proven failure.
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@brightgeistmovies yes its bullshit about local products which can be grown locally and will be used locally...but even those would be put into the database for the "regional city" afaik
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@SalomeTirza Oh, I can do a lot more, but with arrogant neo-commies who think they're gonna come down from the heavens and enlighten us miserable mortals, there's no nothing more to do: punch them in the face, before they have the chance to cause a genocide. I know you truly believe that hogwash, so I wont try to dissuade you from it, but you have been brainwashed and the ideals you're fighting are the greatest threat to mankind in History, so I can't let you just run amock unopposed.
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Hey, nice video. The tactic the other party is using by misrepresenting what the Resource Based Economy is saying is what is known as a "strawman" argument and it is a logical fallacy. When he brings up the example of surfing and how "not everyone can get the barrel roll" that is a "red herring" logical fallacy, which is when a plausible point is brought up, but it is completely irrelevant to the discussion and used as a diversionary tactic.
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if you want to call an inventory system a "price mechanism", then that's your problem. the fact remains that an inventory system doesn't require the consumer to earn money and take that money to the store when he wants to get some food. that's the difference that matters.
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Also the reason people work for money is to increase their standard of living, eg: if i was a doctor in a RBE and thought there was no incentive for me to work anymore and stop working, I would decrease the standard of living for everyone else because there is one less doctor in the labor pool. Also how will dating and romance work in a RBE?
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i understand the RBE and how it works. i don't know what "problem" you believe to see. but you're free to explain your "problem" in detail anytime.
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I didn't call an inventory system a "price mechanism". I'm saying that without the price system, not just in the end consumer goods but also throughout all production, you would not have an inventory as you do now. The black shirt guy seems to think the price mechanism plays no role here, which is preposterous.
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sorry "hundreds of millions?" no... more like several thousand, maybe tens of thousands, but not anywhere near millions.
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@MASK81 your not grasping what a RBE really is to make a statement like that the main point is that right now the earth's life and resources are not a unified system approach, the consequences for that are all the resources are almost used up the planet polluted most people in misery and keep going the earth will vomit is off
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"Tomorrow people are going to buy 10 apples". Is this exact information you can't possibly know without the price system. To have 10 apples to offer the buyers tomorrow, somebody first had to plant the tree many years ago, predicting the future consuption of that apples.
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An RBE is a gift-economy, which is free. You give as much of your time as wish to give and to whom you wish without inherently requiring anything in return. No coercion, just plain freedom. In a free-market you are forced to give your time in order to get money so you can participate in exchange. If there is no demand for your skills/resources, you are pretty much f*cked and can only hope for the charity of others and you'll be competing with all the other people trying to get charity.
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@MegaMindgames What you are missing here is the opportunity cost. You don't realize that if you demmand something, you have to give up on another thing because the natural resources are scarce, human labour - which is necessary for making all goods and services - is scarce and time is also scarce.
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@mattzena we overcome it as best as we can, by strategic production/distribution/use, making things more durable, update-able, efficient, we maximize automation, and we don't focus on property but rather in strategic access (think Vélib bike-sharing in Paris but with everything everywhere). We do this to a point that practical scarcity of basic necessities of life is overcomed, we can do that right now with available technology and resources. This is true for consumer-goods to a degree (more...)
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@Gaby64TZM Automation is not the problem. Just saying if we have something people can have it is sending the wrong message. There should be a process in how we decide the use of certain materials to make sure we can get the best use out of them. Many factors should be considered not just the whim of induviduals thinking they can just have whatever they want simply because it's there. Again, this would be something I hope people would understand and agree to.
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.... and then Black Friday rolls around and Best Buy receives thirty thousand online orders from around the country to deliver by Christmas. They weren't stocked up enough for that and their deals can no longer be executed with the wholesalers, so they have to backorder all of them and then on Christmas Day, they tell everyone "Oh wait, sorry! That's impossible. Unforeseen circumstances etc." And they cancel THIRTY THOUSAND Christmas presents lol That happened this last year, by the way.
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@MegaMindgames How the hell are you going to know how many apples are being demmanded? If you want an apple now, someone had to planted the tree many years ago, predicting this future demmand for apples. Economic calculation is always towards the future consumption. You need relative prices, economic predictions and many other calculation tools to see if people are going to consume apples instead of bananas. That is why investments are risky.
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yes, if ancaps weren't able to use logical fallacies, they wouldn't have a lot to say at all ;)
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wow, i love how supporters of capitalism always scapegoat the state...
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@MASK81 the fact that you ask that question proves that you are simply very badly informed about the idea of an RBE. please get some information about it before you keep trolling us with your ignorant questions.
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@LBFallon no, the demand is represented by data in the form of lists and databases.
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@LTK0011 AFAIK Luke is hip to the problems with the current money system. The current system is controlled by a corrupt cartel, and nobody here wants that. But the brightgeist guy doesn't seem to grasp the basics of the calculation problem, why a medium of exchange is necessary in the first place.
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I disagree with the aluminum example. If it is there doesn't mean they can have it. What application will it be use for and what effects will it have should be the deciding factor. Scientific method. The way of thinking would be different in people will understand (HOPEFULLY) the limits to what we have and what we can do, so to make unreasonable request will be something that just won't be because it would be understood the unnecessary use and waste of materials could hurt them and others
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To say people today uses data to decide what, how and how much to produce, is pure nonsense. It's just a denial of the functionality of the price system. Producers can only know how much of a resource is needed in a place because of the demmand, which is indicated by the price system. Without the price system you cant know the demmand, and thus you are not able to allocate resources rationally anymore. God, help the fools in the sinking ship of economic planning.
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yo yo i need my trainin wheels fool my trainin wheels b my trainin wheels son! (beat box in the background)
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Some people are having trouble understanding what RBE is all about. We are designing RBE software. We are currently at the starting phase and created a "Mind Map" of all inventory from human resources or natural resources. I would be interesting to know how many "useless jobs" we currently have compared to an RBE reallocation. A 5 hour work week? Right on! Co-operation instead of competition? Right on. I invite you to contact me so I may share the documents we have.
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With respect, the guy in the white T-shirt is confused between RESOURCES and EXPERIENCES. Resources are 'stuff' - minerals, gadgets, substances, machines. Experiences are what individuals have USING the stuff. The RBE is intelligently managing resources measured again society's needs using the scientific method, pattern observation and practical application, not profit. Golf on the moon? Unless he is ACTUALLY working towards this right now, why even use it as an example. It is illogical.
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you have answered your own question there. nothing in nature is "free". but as (somewhat) intelligent creatures, we can at least try to figure out and choose the way that a) requires the least amount of contribution from everyone, b) is the least harmful to the environment, and c) creates the least amount of social stratification. so, are you free not to give and only take? sure you are free to do so, but it would mean that you haven't understood how nature works.
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@MASK81 they can spend their time learning about what interests them in a schooling environment or do anything they couldn't in a MS cuz they didn't have enough money, thing is someone isn't going to say no i don't want unlimited access to my needs no i don't want to do the job that i love and be given the tools i always wanted but in monetary system i had to do what i could afford
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@brightgeistmovies pj repeats himself again and again he is saying its centralized to the extend that you store the data to arrive at better conclusions. Please also look into the "bit.ly" links i posted for further details (e.g. german project team which even statesit IS centralized)
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You can keep asserting that but, by comparing your already stocked kitchen to a RBE, I don't think you understand the problem.
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at around 9, you fail to account for charity, i'm just saying. Sometimes people cooperate just because. It probably isn't as common as what would happen in the hypothetical venusian utopia, but it does occur in our status quo even.
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Now I have to complain about the von mises guy at around 10:45 what the hell? you think a free market system could do that? Thousands of people wanting a ton of aluminum at once? No currently realistic system can handle that. Underproduction happens in free markets too. Let's say Best Buy doesn't think people are going to shop online as much as they are, so they only equip their shipping points to deal with a few here-and-there orders ....
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@brightgeistmovies i don't know how to respond to that. what you have said is wholly untrue. Kids are taught to share- people still share. Our economy is not zero-sum because if someone else has more it DOESN'T mean that you have less- that's a common fallacy of people who haven't studied economics though. The economy is not a bowl of money- when I buy X from a for $3, a has $3, I have X worth more than $3 (to me) and the economy grows. Charities exist in capitalism, too.
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@brightgeistmovies your wrong... again! why do people buy apple products, sony's, samsungs etc. theres heaps of generic products out there for half price! because of quality and innovation. if it was about price the generic copies would have killed the brand name companies off already.. your whole way of thinking is just wrong.
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@SalomeTirza Yes, tell me about the people who were dying before they were even introduced to capitalism, yet somehow capitalism is responsible for their plight. Sorry, but I don't listen to my Marxist professor windbags in college and their bullshit, I sure as hell ain't gonna listen to your bulshit.
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@LBFallon it's not nonsense, no matter how much you want to believe that or make others believe that. ask anyone who works anywhere, whether they use their inventory lists and their order lists to manage their company, or whether they look into their cash register and then decide what to order or what to produce. i think you know the answer yourself. the only times when money has a direct influence is when it LIMITS someone from doing something that would otherwise be possible.
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@TheDetoX a free market will NEVER be able to produce in sustainable ways, to produce the best possible products, to produce in dynamic equilibrium with nature, because a free market will always be profit oriented, and that means that people in a free market will always try to save money wherever they can. and that means that they will use the cheapest materials, they will not care about the environment, and they will not produce things to last but to be cyclically consumed.
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@brightgeistmovies again, people want things. I saw the sculptures in your room. are u just going to give up those things?
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@ApocAlypse6275 : see... and most of the planet's economy can and will be handled in such a local way. if one area produces something that isn't produced anywhere else on the planet, then this product won't necessarily be distributed equally to all human beings on the planet, but it will simply only be available to the people in that area. shipping stuff all over the planet is in most cases idiotic, and therefore we don't need a central database.
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@ lukebessey: You're talking about challenge. I don't see any. I just talked to my 13 year old daughter about the issues you put up for Brightgeist and she had no problem to explain it in just an easy and logical way as brightgeist did. I must say, that I was very surprised myself, hearing such logic out of her mouth. But that just showed me, how brainwashed some people are. Shocking discovery indeed!!
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@brightgeistmovies every person out to make money and doesnt want a RBE is your environment just incase you didnt notice.. and once a RBE is in guess what? I'll do jack shit and leech just like everyone else.. how will u stop me and the millions of others? dont tell me because values have changed cos thats rubbish!
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The base question stands: why are we making lightbulbs? There's no incentive to do it well or to do it efficiently
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@mattzena In some regions, fields etc. they might be no solving of the problem. But it will be at least shared among everybody and not like today, only very the very rich can afford everything. And we must be honest and say that not everybody wants to surf, or to sky dive or play soccer. There are just as much dif. things loved and not shared by everybody as humans exist. The reasons of lukebessey are silly and childisch.
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@TheGoldenKing20 Anyways you are just a troll you are commenting the same BS over and over at all ZM/VP videos. If somebody explains an hour long, you should listen, he said why it isn't central planned. Find another place to play troll
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This is the best explanation of an RBE in an easy to understand language I've ever heard! Well done Tom!!!
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An alternate analogy to the training wheel, is stone tools to build the means to develop the bronze age tools, the stone tools are needed but phased out. Hate money, i dont hate neolithic stone tools. Money creates an environment that exudes conflicts of interests.
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