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Beginner Level Center Axis Relock: Firearms Training - C.A.R. Family Shoot

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After practicing the CAR system with airsoft and seeing that there are a lot of benefits to this system, I decided to take the family out and teach what I know of the CAR system (very little so...

#CentralAxisRelock     #JohnWick   下次去Shooting Range玩呢隻會唔會比人掃地出門……? (比較詳細教學: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i41sGsKW2Ck ) http://youtu.be/lbg-Qo8djOA?t=3m14s
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呢招突擊幾好.
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You don't need to shoot this "system" in order to keep both eyes open. Why would anyone think that?
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+4jai2brons0n Yeah, I'm just waiting to see one of these guys shooting this "system" get smacked between the eyes with the slide...
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+DemocracyOfHypocrisy Haha hopefully they will post it on YT for us all to enjoy.
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If someone's not careful, they could shoot their nipple off...
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Why's the wife shooting with her middle?
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What kind of bullshit is this?
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I can see the practicality for up close engagements, or when your attacker is on you, but i'd revert to this style, not start with it. Drive your gun out and square up, then if...for whatever reason you find your attacker still advancing retreat and use this. I mostly agree with you though, it looks cool and apparently its used in a movie and video game so it's got the approval of all those who think movies and video game tactics trump battle tested ones. 
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+Dynasty 22 Well anything can be practiced for close up and avoid this wonky method.
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This is a great video for demonstrating what not to do.
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Waiting for someone to get nailed in the eye with the slide. Also waiting for a malfunction to happen when the slide hits the body.
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I'm just done.... This some baby back bullshit. Pardon my french
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I just watched the movie 'John Wick' it looked like keanu reeves is using this shooting method..?
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yep thats it. but john wick is only the most recent example. If you played Splinter Cell: Conviction you might have seen same fisher using it the whole game along
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This is perfect for me. I always had a problem with being right handed but left eye dominant.
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Then move the gun in front of your left eye and don't waste time with this.
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+HaleFire7 hah... that's what I do.
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The hand positions are very wrong. Please take a class with an instructor if you want to learn the fundamentals of this system!
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When you are in the center hold close quarters position you are supposed to bend the barrel of the gun 45 degrees outward to minimize the chances of self inflicting injury to yourself or the gun 
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You do realize the second female shooter started using her middle finger to fire her  weapon after her first demonstration, right? 
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#CentralAxisRelock     #JohnWick   下次去Shooting Range玩呢隻會唔會比人掃地出門……? (比較詳細教學: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i41sGsKW2Ck ) http://youtu.be/lbg-Qo8djOA?t=3m14s
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BTW, have you ever seen someone who was using this technique take a slide to the eye?  I have!  Fortunately, his eye protection allows us to laugh about it.
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Splinter Cell Conviction brought me here!!! 
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@0:39- Why would you take a stance that blocks out half your vision?  How are you going to see anyone coming from your right especially when you are so amped up and tunnel visioned in the first place?  And how long can you hold that position while holding someone at bay. C.A.R. has been dying a slow death in the psst few years because it is generally nothing more than a money-making "technique".  Some of it may be useful in some situations (ie: while sitting in your car); but most of it was deviced for nothing more than the cool factor to attract the gullible. I once watched a "CAR Instructor" and his student repeatedly shoot the ceiling of my club's Indoor Range during a one-on-one training session.  The "instructor" has since been banned from teaching at that range for that and other reasons. There is reason this so-called technique is not accepted by most LE and Military Units.  It's a liability waiting to happen.  BTW, if you can still find the videos of its inventor showing this technique you will see that he experiences a lot of malfunctions - and for good reason.
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I don't know if you've ever actually shot using CAR but it doesn't obstruct any vision at all. Usually it gives more peripheral vision because it's very easy to keep both eyes open. It also is much harder to get a weapon away from someone using CAR because it is closer to their body where they have more strength and also the assailant has another foot (give or take) to get to the weapon. As this man said he is not actually trained in CAR, and so doesn't have some of the finer points. (ie they were holding it quite close to their face, close position should tilt away from his body) Lastly it is much easier to clear corner using CAR than standard isosceles, and that is precisely what this shooting method is designed for. Tight urban indoor environments. Food for thought
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Great video !  Love the C.A.R. System.   Do you think this is limited to the caliber weapon your using?   I'm having a bit of a problem controlling the recoil with my USP TACTICAL .45  it wants to smack me in the face lol  I think its user error though because I've seen one of  Paul Castle's guys shoot a 12 gauge pistol grip shotgun using this system and he controlled the recoil like it was a 9mm pistol  Any tips on this?    Hope to see more videos about the Center Axis Relock System    keep em coming  !!!
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@kingnereli Your absolutely correct! Your the pro, who am I to argue with you? My 25+ years of military, LEO and firearms instruction pails in comparison to your expertise. All you have done is prove to be "that guy" BYE ;)
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I gave this a try with my Airsoft USP (my real one is a USP45) a couple days ago, and I'm amazed at how well I was able to hit with the low position. I grew up with the concept of never firing a shot till you're aiming down the sights so any kind of point shooting is still alien to me, but the CAR system gave me another tool for the toolbox. One more thing I like is the fact that the low position also doesn't give a huge silhouette for your target to shoot back at.
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@SafeArmsReview what cal glock is that an holster u have with the light i want one an i havent found a good one thta holds the light
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so holding right handed, you aim with the left eye? how much practice does it take to get used to that if you're right eye dominant? I'm probably missing the point here
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@ffnovice7 Yes you have to have more attention to detail with this, more risk requires more training. As for the bladed stance & body armor that is an equipment issue not a technique problem. Matter of fact there is new body armor on the market that have cover on the sides. Whats great about new stuff like the CAR system is that it helps other industries come up with better products. Good questions & thanks for watching. :)
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Good on you guys for trying to come up with something new. Even if it will never be adopted by serious professionals. I just... Wow..
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Are there any examples of clearing a room using this technique?
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The CAR system is ridiculous. There are no advantages over conventional methods and there is a huge decrease in accuracy. I find it disingenuous to shoot at ten feet or less and say you're impressed with the accuracy of the position. CAR is a waste of time and, unfortunately for some, a waste of money. You do not want to use your none dominant eye. You do not want to cant your body so much. You do not want to sacrifice effective accuracy.
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@SafeArmsReview Regular stances are both eyes opened with no blurring of the front sight. If you are shooting with an eye closed and not focusing on the front sight you need to refresh your fundamentals not accept a whole new hokey and unproven "system." I also greatly disagree with your ascertion that CAR offers a wider range of motion. A right handed shooter will not be able to go as fast or as far to the left so far off center line.
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Hey Steve quick question for you, I plan on testing out the CAR system myself the next time I go to the range to see how effective it is, and I just want to know should you tense yourself up in any way such as the push and pull mechanic of the weaver stance (this is the stance I normally use), or should you keep your body relaxed?.
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@kingnereli BTW in the majority of self defense scenarios with a firearm, to include civilian & LEO happens at 10' or less. ;)
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makes no use of whatever body armor may be worn. good technique for civilians/off duty though
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Steve, just noticed your wife uses her middle finger on the trigger??
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What a load of tosh! So slow and dangerous, how many will shoot themselves in the arm with this nonsense. Have these people never heard of turning or stepping back. Yes punching out is not always good, but that's what happens when you train competition style! That lass was so slow and as for the legal consequences of what appear to be non aimed shots! - the mind boggles
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I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE WITH THIS SYSTEM I REALY DO
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Ok steve its official, I dont want your daughter or wife shooting at me! As Always Great Video. thanks for sharing. will have to try when it warms up :)
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good for survival - allows me to shoot 9mm or .40. Also 9mm is cheaper than .40 ammo so its easier on the pocketbook :)
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@SafeArmsReview Thank you very much; that was a fast reply.
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I don't understand what the purpose of using the weak eye (usually left eye for right handed shooter) vs the dominate eye. Just in aiming practice with CAR, it seems much more natural to use my right eye and I don't feel like I am losing any peripheral vision.
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OMG u're sam fisher right ur daughter must be sarah fisher
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@apollo2805 That makes a lot of sense, thank you. The con of having more organs hit in CAR sounds similar to the argument against prone vs standing. Much like choosing the right handgun, I believe stances and techniques of shooting should be a means to an end; as in handguns should be a means to reach a long arm or some help, and techniques should be a means to escape, to take cover, or to find some more help.
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@spitfirerobinson yes its an old teaching technique for point shooting - we were doing this earlier in the day. :)
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Thanks a lot for the video. Helps clear up questions I have on the stance, even if you aren't an expert. Nice family and thanks for the vid. Happy shooting, friendo.
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teaching family self defense is very good. Be safe God bless
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Not really a fan of the CAR system but I did enjoy the objective review!
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@ripflick It was an old point shooting technique that we tried. Helped with the wife's point shooting. :)
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This video was back in 2010 & since then I have attended a couple of CAR basic classes & the got certified as an instructor recently. As you said this was just the basic from what I had gleaned off the net, so in that sense, we did pretty good. No one is a pro right out the gate - proficiency is a never ending journey Thanks for the input & keep up the good work.
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@SafeArmsReview how would you use this for stocked firearms? O.o
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@TriggerHappy971 If you dont have experience then I would advise to have a safe room & defend in place. Like a hallway that leads to your room; call 911, stay low, use a shotgun & if anyone starts coming down the hall, give loud verbal commands to stop, rack the shotgun & fire if they dont comply, shoot as necessary. As for stance it depends on what the individual can do effectively. :)
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Impressive, your wife, daughter - first timers? definitely they have better discipline in marksmanship than people i've known for decades.
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What is the gun being used in this demonstration?
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I've used your review for my own personal use and I've learned so much from you. So thank you for this video!
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Being a Master at Arms (Navy Police) one of my tasks is to clear out building and houses. Our biggest threat is not only another guy with a gun, but cutting corners and having people grab at our guns. On the field, I can see this being a bit hard to use, but after clearing building after building in training, I can see how this would be far better in CQ encounters.
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Excellent Video!! Thanks for the info.
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I just posted the question in another one of your videos about what this is, and now I know where I saw a version of this before, back in the 1980s there was some guy going around with what he called the "Quell" method. There was an article about it in SOF around 1988 or 1989 I think. Your CAR thing looks safer to train with than the original Applegate methods which run some risk of shooting your off hand.
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@kingnereli I never said anyone should rely on one technique &/or tactic. Be flexible & use whats right for you. 90% of self defense & CQB happens at distances 15' or less. Nuff said. :)
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This is the worse system I have ever seen, total crap in so many ways. You will get people killed teaching this garbage.
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After seeing various stances and practicing at home, I've noticed that if I were wearing a ballistics vest, I would expose my sides where the vest is weakest. (Without side wraps.) Am I doing this wrong or is it just like that?
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@SeraphicRadiance1 Well I recently switch to left hand shooting & hopefully I will get my CAR instructor cert in 2012; if so you can be I will post some more vids on CAR. :)
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Probably the only problem I would have is sweeping my support arm in a bout of carelessness. Also, thoughts on the bladed stance and the opposing argument that said stance would render body armor useless?
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1:31 0_0 Mr. Steve... with all due respect, I think I'm in love!
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This was back in 2010 w/ no classes. Since then attended a couple of CAR basic classes & got instructor certified recently. Lots of improvement since then. Even w/ no classes we had a 97% hit rate, so in that sense we did pretty good. Continuing to correct bad habits as always. As an old plt sgt. said "No one is a pro right out the gate - proficiency is an on going journey." Thanks for the input & keep up the good work.
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@kingnereli Well you must be an expert because even tho you never took a CAR course you know everything about CQB. Have you ever kicked down doors for real? Just curious If NOT dont respond ;)
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Thanks for taking the time for sharing this stuff and experiences. Also like other video where you share how to make cheap target....so nice!!!!
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@RRFCaptain It offers a lot. Ability to engage threats in close quarters where isosceles & others which are extended stance/arm positions, it helps in firearm retention, is fully ambidextrous overcoming eye dominance weaknesses & since the shooter has less distance to travel from draw to shooting, its quicker to acquire targets, reload, etc. Also great for engaging threats while seated (car, wheelchair, etc). Its highly versatile because its a system & not just a stance as isosceles is.
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@TopGearD4D CAR offers a lot of flexibility in many situations. Its a true ambi-dexterous system that doesn't care if a shooter is left or right eye dominate; great for stacking, room clearing, etc. The 'no' gun close to the face? I guess shooting M4s & the like are out too? Of course you can, the only difference is that a pistol gives you even more mobility than a short barrel carbine. IOW don't knock it till you try it. Mar '12 I will get my CAR instructor cert = geat stuff. :)
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. I did use this system in the house with a tactical light and found a lack of range of motion in that I had to strafe walking backward. I do not want to be walking backward in the dark. I will say the system may work in barricade situations. However, other techniques have been proven affective for close quarters combat and are better than CAR.
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In the C.A.R. system how are you supposed to reload?
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the 'lass' was slow cause she was just learning the basic techniques. BTW all her shots were combat effective (no misses) to COM body or the head shots. 100% hit rate. I was worried about the risk but CAR has been out since mid 90's w/ no bad incidents = good track record. Its not the end all of firearms tng but it gives more options for shooters which is good. Check out watch?v=NZPobS7av5M to see CAR in action = shoot 2, reload, shoot 2, reload & shoot 2 more rounds in 3.24 seconds.
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And one more question: Does this have any practicality with other weapons and farther targets? Thanks again.
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fair points. another odd question: does the grip angle on glocks feel a little weird to you, or is it just me? could be just because i usually use a 1911 in airsoft, i don't know.
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Okay. we've got our real Sam Fisher here.. get ur arms soldier!!!
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Is she using her middle finger to fire? @ 2:57
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@VEKKIO he got a watch on his left wrist tooo,he might be!!!
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Do you have a lizard on the shirt
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Cant wait to give it a go, Thanks SAR!
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Are u hiding ur fiveseven somewhere??
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@hahaureadmyname In close quarters you cannot always use isosceles or weaver & this give so much more flexibility when reacting in confined areas. This system allows for quick target acquisition no matter what eye dominance you are. Also provides good defense in firearm retention & a few other things. :)
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@RimfireOmega Thanks for the compliment - they did really well. :)
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I just found out about this after reading a well referenced article from Shotgunworld. Awesome demo. I was trying to find out more info on usin the pistol grip shotguns in CQC situations properly and CAR seems real effective. Just have to practice and train muscle memory. One thing though, it seems that it only would be an easy transition for those who have cross dominance in their eyes when using the high canted view. Using your right hand but looking thru your left eye. Something to consider.
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Hmmm... you cant use isosceles (or weaver) in a vehicle so use what works. Isosceles is just a stance, not a system. Not saying its the answer to everything just it helps in certain situations. Check out "Crazy Gunman Kills 4 Scumbags! Thumbs Up! " watch?v=EVreKo2pT7U :)
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good advice - thanks for watching & keep up the good work.
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@SafeArmsReview The science is that with both eyes open you can only focus at one distance at a time. If you look at the target the front sight will be blurry. If you focus on the front sight it will be clear and the target will blur. Yes,front sight blurring is a proven fact. And all over the country there are novice pistol shooters signing up for basic gun classes that will fix this problem in 15 minutes. Or some are going to try reinvent the wheel with a CAR class.
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I find it strange that your wife uses her middle finger to pull the trigger.
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@sgtrockrules It looks like that but that is not the case. There is a big field of vision. :)
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@VideoGameBandit What it offers is recoil reduction (95%) allowing you to fire rapidly. Muscle harmony so the muscles are not fatigued even if you are. Target reduction so you are not a large target as you may well be in the other stances (remember this is a shooting system not another stance) It allows you to shoot out of a car. using either hand, not just weapon hand, 360o. With the positions it allows weapon retention instead of holding the weapon stretched out as yu would in weaver or iso
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@5ddenny Your correct about revolvers - then again I dont know any military or LEO team using revolvers so it doesnt apply to me or those who work CQB. BTW am a lefty & brass hitting me is no concern
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@ffnovice7 actually, the Center Axis Re-lock system was developed for close quarters combat where the user of the system has no body armor. The reason for the use of the bladed stance is create a smaller target to return fire to. However this also brings up the argument that it allows multiple organs to be penetrated if you're hit. So, it does have its pro's and con's:)
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Regardless of what I just said about you being likeable, I still don't think you should try to make a point here battling @kingnereli. The guy made some valid points and apparently doesn't express his opinion in a Call of Duty way. Accept what he is right about and correct him on what he does wrong. Ridiculing somebody who takes his time writing articulate posts isn't particularly polite. I haven't read everything but I doubt he means to challenge you or question your abilities. Oi? Oi. Cheers.
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Very nice....thanks for the info.
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BTW this vid was taken before I took any CAR classes - just parroted what I saw in the net; I was impressed with the benefits of CAR so I later took some classes then got my instructor cert. It helps me & if others don't see the benefit thats fine; no one is forcing anyone to use it. Just showing what I think works for me. :)
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@ffnovice7 It wouldn't render your armor useless. How so? You're bladed so it makes you a smaller target much in the way as a boxer would provide less targets to the opponent because of the stance. CAR is diff from shooting other ways because its not a stance but a shooting system. WEAVER & ISOSCELES are stances but you shoot the same. Watch other videos on CAR and you'll see more to the system than just this video. Its a great shooting platform. You cant shoot well seated with those other 2
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Now that you've had more time and training with the CAR system, here's a question: I noticed that your daughter fired from low ready with the pistol fully vertical. Would it be advisable to shoot at a slight cant away from flush with the body to avoid the possibility of snagging clothes and going out of battery, or do you need the vertical for better accuracy? Or is this even an issue worth exploring? lol
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@HollyTheFireNinja Yea its fun to watch that when ppl are unsure they lean back but when they start getting comfortable the more they lean forward correctly. later that day both the wife & daughter were looking pretty hardcore. I have found a CAR class locally but I really want to attend one put on by Paul Castle, the CAR founder. I gotta make some calls, see when classes are & if I can get some time off to attend, so we'll see what happens. Thanks for watching. :)
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@kingnereli If you have never been thru the course, seen the mechanics & science behind the CAR system, then I would say your missing out on a great tool. As for accuracy, its very accurate & effective. Again I would say to you "have you trained in CAR?" BTW I have shot at up to 20 feet and have been accurate with CAR with both eyes - whereas a lot of ppl cannot using traditional stances. CAR is a system and NOT just a stance. ;)
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