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Homeopathy and the FDA

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Join CFI On Campus in protesting the FDA and purveyors of homeopathy: http://www.centerforinquiry.net/oncampus/stand_for_science_confront_homeopathy And join me in New Orleans for CSICon!...

Thanks Rebecca, as with everything else, its all about the money. The stupid sick are easy marks. Who wouldn't want to believe they can be cured so easily. However, the mind body connection is strong. I always encourage folks to find an MD they like and can work with. A good doc fosters the same power of healing belief that the homeocharlatans do and then the cure actually has a scientifically proven chance.
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using fecal matter is a poor example.....even those admittedly dubious vaccines used in earlier decades, included some of the original virus, " like equals like" in other words.  2:15 ..'homeopathy instead of going to a real doctor" a "real" doctor who will recommend chemo or radiation 'treatments', which guaranteed will harm people so in order for a therapy to work, it must first harm the patient , or  kill them ? reminds me of that old ( conventional ) medicine saying " the treatment was a success, but the patient died " were did that logic originate ? if chemo administering nurses have to wear protective gloves, and be treated aggressively for cases of "chemo spill" then that deadly snake oil is not helping anyone. but it is making BIG PROFITS for its sellers.  homeopathy is  based somewhat on proven placebo effect, which even mainstream docs will acknowledge, but since its not profitable, not prescribe.
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Why so many thumbs down? She's spot on. 
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you have wier subjects bouncing around in your head.
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Not an expert on Homeopathy but I do work in the animal health industry and have been through several FDA audits.  I know with things like vitamin supplements they are not just reviewing the product for dangerous or harmful level of ingredients but also drug claims on labels.  The FDA would not let a homeopathy or vitamin supplements that actually claims to cure something sit on the shelf.  I can say this product has vitamins that support a healthy immune system but they would not allow you to say this product cures autoimmune diseases.  Also Products would not be "FDA APPROVED" to treat something unless it went through a full drug trial. I would recommend checking out the CFR if your are interested in what guidelines these industries are required to follow. (Having said that the FDA is a mess right now with the FSMA and also understaffed)   
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Feces… MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm. No seriously, while I haven't the time or desire to try and "fix stupid", when preached at by some of my homeopathic-practicing friends (homeos?) I tell them this: "While I PREFER my Christmas presents to be delivered by Santa Claus, if I ACTUALLY want to receive presents I need to utilize more realistic and proven means." PS - I celebrate Christmas because I LIKE it… not for any religious significance. I'm Clausian?
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A man died of an overdose on homeopathic medicine, he forgot to take his pill.
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Sadly this is really what homeopathy claims!
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When does homeopathy have harmful ingredients
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never, only if you might be allergic to one of the components, but the side effects of ingredients used in this formulas are known to be none, that is why they are chosen 
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+Dania GT Yes because there's nothing in the pills. If you mean the purported ingredients, are you suggesting arsenic would never be harmful in any amount?
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Consuming fecal matter is actually a method of treating c.difficile hospital infections (just throwing that out there)
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Girl you know nothing, yes that is the start of a statement, but it isn't meant to be taken literally, when they say similar they ask about the effects they have!!!! A perfect example of this would be the pain and inflammation on the joints, something that produces "alike effects" would be capsaicin (what makes chili peppers hot, this is put in creams to alleviate pain by fooling/distracting the nerve terminal endings where the person had pain... I dare you go and find any of those medicines that have sugar.... no homeopathic person would consume sugar! Have you ever even tried one? there isn't one that taste nice.... you are really making a fool of yourself, but I thank you for making me laugh! 
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In your description how Homeopathy works you forgot to tell that you have to shake the dilution so that the water it can remember the remedy … else the magic does not work.
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For a victim of severe burns, the best treatment must be more fire.
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good to highlight homeopathy ninesense but Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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That's one fucken ugly woman, just sayin....
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+Captain Rhodes I agree with her. Everyone should be a feminist, including men (especially men)
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+theWatchingDog you're a good person :) I hope you have a happy week. I wish there were more people like you online.
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Very good info also at 'DC Improbable Science' blog and Andy Lewis' 'Quackometer' blog.
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So here are some of the issues I take with your course of action: First and foremost, the underlying premise of going to the FDA and demanding that these products be banned is that people are just too stupid to be educated and/or persuaded, so it is the burden of a benevolent state to protect people from their own stupidity. This line of reasoning, taken to its logical conclusion, can be used to justify bans and prohibitions on all kinds of things, and a general attitude that whatever the almighty government says is good/bad for you, is obviously good/bad for you, because the state said so. Second, if someone dies from cancer by not getting proper treatment, they died of cancer, not of homeopathy, and they died sooner, because they didn't get the proper treatment. Once again, that is because of their stupidity. If some charlatan tells people that simply not getting any treatment cures cancer, and some people fall for it, it's not like the FDA would then have jurisdiction to MANDATE that cancer patients follow the correct treatment plan as recommended by their oncologist. Third, if you manage to get these homeopathic potions and elixirs banned by an act of the state, the very type of people who are already most susceptible to this kind of hocus-pocus are also the same people who think that the scientific community is actively conspiring to keep them sick, in furtherance of the gay muslim communist socialist Marxist Maoist Stalinist Hitlerist Pol-Potist reptilian-jew world-domination agenda, and any ban will be interpreted as a direct assault on god-fearing gun-owners who have flags streaming from the antenna of their F-150.... In other words, they already have a persecution complex, and this would make it worse. It's not as if they would suddenly find ways to make money selling books all about "the cures for every disease that the reptilian jews don't want YOU to have!" ... with recipes for how to make your own miracle diluted fecal-matter. The bottom line here is that you can;t stop people from doing dumb shit and buying into dumb shit. You sound like you have the best of intentions, but these things are part of a very complex cultural anti-science attitude, and the solution, by definition, is not going to be simpler than the root of the problem. I have met people who think that pot, when concentrated into a thick extract of cannabis oil, cures all cancers, practically overnight, by eating about 6-8 ounces worth of oil over the course of several days. While cannabis does appear to have some 'cancer-inhibiting properties', and I would personally love nothing more than to have enough time off all at once to try this "cure"(even though I don't have cancer), there is ZERO research behind this claim, yet hundreds of thousands of otherwise fairly intelligent people swear by it. So what should we do to solve THAT problem? A prohibition on pot? Oh, wait....
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+Adam Rainstopper Is your position against government in any form? That just seems outlandish. How would a society like that even function?
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+Jeffrey Harper "Anarchist" is not an ambiguous term, hence my refusal to use "anarcho(hyphenated something-ist)" or "voluntaryist" or any other term that has more than one meaning in popular american colloquial language. As for that seeming "outlandish" to you, your personal incredulity isn't my problem. Anarchism can be summed up in a single quote, first made by Noam Chomsky, paraphrased by others, and some form of it articulated by almost every well-known anarcho-syndicalist, anarcho-capitalist, or anarcho-primitivist thinker in recent history: "The burden of proof has to be placed on authority, and that it should be dismantled if that burden cannot be met" The burden in this case is to prove the practical necessity and ethical legitimacy of an institution that is defined by a monopoly on the "legitimate" use of violence as a means to accomplish it's goals. It is not up to me to prove that some rainbow utopia will emerge is you remove "authority" from the equation. This is like socio-political atheism, and I reject notions that claim the necessity of the initiation of violent force against peaceful actors, and the legitimacy of making an exception to the basic principles by which the rest of us must abide. As for your last question, you are asking me to write a book. Furthermore, it's a book that's been written, thousands of times, by thousands of authors, in hundreds of languages. I can give you historical examples, but I can already imagine your dismissal of them based on the 'complexity' of modern society.......so instead, I will give you a modern example: http://www.friendsofgaviotas.org/
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People who care more about feeling good than truth and reality bother the piss out of me. You provide cover for charlatons of all stripes. 'Hey if a mom doesn't want to immunize their kids, that's their choice.' Meanwhile, herd immunization rates drop exposing the most vulnerable populations (like infants) in our societies to diseases there is no reason to catch like mumps, measles, and rubella. When people DIE of these preventable diseases, look in the mirror and defend that choice again.
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Bloody hell! I hope the water doesn't remember the big shit I had in the surf at Picnic Bay on Maggie Island.
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Where are you getting you information from? I would like to see the information regarding the "cure" for E. Coli.
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Ahh, the rallying cries of the truly fuicking ignorant. "Big Pharma... they don't really want you to get well, they only make money when your sick. And of course Big Pharma is out to supress the truth about 'alternative' medicine." And JFK wasn't killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, aliens really do abduct people from trailor parks, big foot is real, ghosts haunt my house, 9/11 was an inside job, and the moon landing was faked. Did I miss anyhting? But no, I'm against ignorance & bs that kills people
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I may be rude as you call it. I'm also actually give a shit about people. You apparently don't. If someone told you a .45 could cure your headache and you shot yourself in the head as a result, that would be a disgusting tragedy. But I wouldn't blame you or defend your right to choose that "medical option." I'd go after the fucktard that told you that could cure you and educate others not to buy into this. Now if you KNOW that it will kill you and you still do it, fine. No problem any longer.
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There's no replacement for good medical knowledge. There are a lot of charlatans in the field of homeopathy. How can water remember? That is hilarious!! I don't think that I will be consuming fecal matter anytime soon, LOL. You're not afraid to say anything, are you?
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Let's drop a banana in the ocean and cure world hunger.
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You are going to have a blast in New Orleans. I hope you have time to tour a necropolis while you are down here. Also, we pronounce it New Or-lens.
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Maybe so, she was certainly conned by a snake oil salesman. While she should have done her research and homework, the fact is that idiots who promote and/or give cover for this kind of crap are partially responsible for the deaths that occur as a result. I can't do anything about my mom's choices now, but hopefully, I can help save someone else's mom from the same bullshit.
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I'm sorry but were you under the impression that you had ... credibility?
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The poison used in such a well, of course, if done by a homeopath, would be in such a small quantity that it would have no effect. [I jest.]
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Homeopathic 'medicines' are legal and should remain that way. People have the right to buy whatever stupidity they want. Where would you draw the line? Ban magic crystals? Power arm bands? Chinese medicine? Psychic readings? Religious groups? Chiropractors? The list goes on and on.
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"Save for religion, no where else in our public discourse is that acceptable. " Not quite accurate; it's also acceptable in (US) politics. >_> Unless "shouting the loudest" is considered evidence, of course Also, slight thing on Atheism+: "it has nothing to do with our non-belief" Atheism+ is for those with progressive ideals that they have derived from their non-belief. It's essentially a political atheist movement (of a particular stripe), so it's definitely not for everybody.
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This certainly isn't how a homeopath would explain it, it's more complex than what she wants you to believe. But the real breaker, and this is why homeopathic remedies remain on the shelf, is that biochemical testing shows that they are not inert . . via the hydrogen bonds in water the homeopathic remedy mimics the electromagnetic signal of the starting material. Read what a real skeptic said after rep'ing the test, prof. of pharmacology Madeleine Ennis. PDF at tinyurl com/skeptennis (add dot)
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Your age and your offense are irrelevant. No, you are not informed on this subject but I doubt you'll change that. "Dramatizing homeopathy" and "they both work," BULLSHIT.Aside from the naturalistic fallacy, "it works for me" illustrates the placebo effect, not efficacy or reality. A homeopath gave my mom blueberry leaves and cinnamon sticks to treat her diabetes. She died at 62 with a sugar count over 750.There are thousands of stories like hers. You should be ashamed of yourself promoting BS
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Where did I show a picture of myself there, either? You seem pretty fascinated and intimately with this highly specific hypothetical scenario. It's very flattering that you're writing me into your fan-fiction!
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Yeah homeopathy is such a scourge, never mind the fact that placebos are incredibly effective medicines especially when prescribed by a trusted doctor, and can cure things that western medicine can't even touch. Lets take away this wonderful source of healing because some people are stupid and might not seek treatment for their cancer.
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That does it. Tried to give this human the benefit of the doubt before, but this is bullshit. Who, aside from a professional victim, goes out of their way to make a video about homeopathy and it's huge negative impact? Anybody out there with real problems ever give an airborne coitus about homeopathy? Sure as shit not me. Clearly, she just wants to tell us all about her hipster lil mermaid costume. Why we had to endure that other shit, I don't know.
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Thank you so much for mentioning CFI, by the way. ;-) They (I'd say "we," but I'm only a volunteer in a local group) very much appreciate the mention, I'm most sure. :-)
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Wow, just look at this comment section. Full of cretins taking advantage of an ancient drama to say something a bit rude to a girl. Tedious Internet is tedious.
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RAPIST SCUM! RAPE MONGER! GRIM RAPER! RAPE BEAST! RAPEY MCRAPIST RAPE SYMPATHIZER!!!!
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Are you retarded? What do these two things have in common? Women are still treated unfairly (you're doing it now, shithead) and homeopathy is made up of lies that kill people to make other people wealthy. You're a real piece of shit.
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Well keep up the great skeptic works. Always remember men who have come from a Religion that are Atheist sometimes have a hard time see the oppression of women.
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Yes, the individual has a right to decide, that isnt the point of the video, the point is to inform you so you make better decisions. If you want a completely unproven medicine go ahead (it might actually help due to the placebo effect)
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LOL wow, you can sure tell a lot by someone's looks, huh? I don't know how you're able to see through the internet, though, since I don't appear in any videos or photos I've uploaded. My mother wasn't any sort of activist, or single, and I wouldn't even begin to date someone who already had children because children are insufferable disease-factories. I'm in a happy relationship that is extremely, extremely far from being sexless and we aren't thinking about kids or marriage.
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Well, glad you asked. 2 years ago she talked about some old guy who is a big shot in the skeptism business hitting on her, and how she found it creepy. It made the trolls angry, and they never let go of it. It's a wonderful community we have, don't you think?
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Please, you and this human "rkwatson", probably think Magic Mike is objectifying to women like some people actually do? Phil never stated women are never oppressed, simply that double standards do exist.Regardless of sex, if you don't believe both ends are at shame than you just stay out of the way of intelligent men and women who are doing good things. If a women, ever looks at me again, touches me against without consent at a party ever again. I'm suing them. So next party someones gettin sued
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But people shouldn't have the right to SELL crap that's been proven time and time again to be complete bullsh!t. That's fraud. Are you claiming that fraud, misinformation and blatant deception should be legal?
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this should be required watching for everybody. I'm exhausted trying to argue with people,
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homeopathy a scam? well no shit!
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"A feminist once said to? me, presumably with a straight face, 'misunderstanding consent is what leads to a lot of sexual assault.'" ... "If your denying consent is that ambiguous, you have a serious communication problem." Or as that Republican candidate said recently, "Some women rape easy." I'm sure you agree with him. The case he was referring to was about a 14-year old girl who was raped by a 17-year old. She said no, he said it was okay, and she was too scared to fight back. That's rape.
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The problem isn't choice. It is uninformed, ill informed, fraudulaent choice. The problem is that people are making choices based on the lies of a authorative sounding snake oil salesman. The problem is that these choices have consequences, not the least of which is the DEATH of the patient. Things that actually work are considered medicine. And things that don't are called homeopathy, naturopathy, crystals, energy bands, votices, etc... and they cost lives. Big Pharma is a myth. Lies matter.
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Yet homeopathic medicines were already approved by the FDA and used in the korean war with great success. In fact the FDA issues advisories all the time telling sellers that their products require a perscription and considered drugs. Dilutions in the mm are "quantum" and not widely used and require a perscription. There may be some questionable practice and theory but its a lot of trouble to debunk something on the basis of such poor understanding of the situation.
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I believed and still believe it's bullshit, though it did in fact help me get rid of a skin condition I had on my foot. Though I also use actual medical methods and I convinced myself the homeopathic medicine was working in order to utilize the placebo effect if nothing else. My point is, it can sometimes help even though it can't be explained why, though it is still questionable from a scientific point of view.
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Yup, Rebecca Watson is a sanctimonious, self-important, narcissistic bully.
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Just because extremist, radical feminists exist doesn't mean that sexism is imaginary. By taking the opposite extreme, you're exactly as idiotic as the worst stereotypical feminist you can possibly imagine - which you seem to hallucinate around every corner.
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go get some then you do not seem intelligent enough to be on here
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What conspiracy? You do not seem intelligent enough to be on here
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How you live your life and the environment your in can affect cancer, so a holistic approach would sometimes work, as an ex cfs sufferer, only a holistic approach is able to cure the illness.
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No, you're really really going too far in the opposite direction here. There are more real rape accusations than false ones, by far, but a lot of real victims still get treated like they should be the ones ashamed of themselves. What, are you afraid of looking too soft if you just acknowledge things the way they are?
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3. You refer to homeopathy as potentially harmful, and give the example of its use in place of, say, a treatment for cancer. This is a fallacious argument though. What you mean to say, was that the poor judgement of the homeopath in question was harmful. Your second point has already stated that homeopathy itself cannot be harmful.
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It makes more sense if you're drunk!
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did you give a handjob to dawkins in the elevator?
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Mechanistic medicine isn't a phrase used at all in the study of medicine, it is used by partisans like yourself, that what to create a demarcation between 'mind and soul' medicine and everything else. Secondly, you cannot sell substances that only work on placebo effect, they have no actively working ingredients. And the placebo effect works UP TO a point, afterwards there is no more significant help. Your mind isn't going to cure cancer, crohn's disease, autism, arthritis etc.
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I can't think of what FDA can do to prevent the harm of homeopathy that you talked about except for labeling the drug as "homeopathic drug" on the label. But, are they usually all sugar and water? Would the FDA be able to detect well whether or not it is a homepathic drug? IDK just a thought.
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I'd love to hear your explanation of the placebo effect, but I digress. Your entire comment(s) is a complete non-sequitar to what the video entails. The 'belief' that only 'mechanistic' medicine (whatever that means) is the truly effective doesn't inhibit the multi-millionare dollar industry into new-age and alternative treatments such as homeopathy, Reiki, acupuncture etc. All of which are completely bogus. You seem to be siding with the frauds.
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Thanks for the comment, and showing the world how fucked up you people are.
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YouTube search James Randi.... there is your answer, case closed.
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In defense of the FDA, they kinda have a big job just figuring out whether to approve prescription and which to allow for over-the-counter, and that just the "drug" part, that's not even their managing food safety, tobacco products and whatnot. So if they come up with some homeopathic snake oil that's basically just sugar, water and organic advanced food-coloring substitute to go after, or some pharmaceutical company that wants to put out yet another anti-depressant...well priorities, ya know?
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In what sense are they frauds? If the placebo effect works, then mind over matter can help in many diseases, if you don't know what mechanistic medicine is perhaps you should get back to me when you do.
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The FDA seems to get in the way of certain therapies... Helminthic therapy could work, i don't really know, but i can't access it due to the FDA. They should reschedule pot and start erring on the side of freedom.
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I know, I mean yeah maybe Rebecca Watson could have reacted "abit" differently but the coffee thing was like AGES ago, can't these men move on for crying out loud lol
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I listen to SGU, I'm subscribed to your channel, yet I never put 2 and 2 together. Anyway, homeopathy; since all water has come in contact with everything anyway, shouldn't there be no further need to dilute it? I mean, couldn't we just drink water as is, and it would naturally "remember" all of the pathogens there ever was? (Yeah, I know it's BS)
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i wouldnt take this ugly ass bitch to a restaurant, id take this bitch out to a dumping yard, feed her garbage
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You honestly think a liar like Randi would admit that,he backed down from homeopath John Benneth, Randi has zero scientific credentials and has never once managed to debunk a scientist despite being given the opportunity
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as someone who has cured himself of chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromylagia i would have to disagree with you there.
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Another would-be bully, stifler of free speech, and all-around hateful, retarded jerk put in her place by...well, just about everyone paying attention. Thank you atheist community for rejecting the cancerous stupidity and inexplicable hatred that is R Watson
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The belief that only mechanistic medicine is truly effective has enormous political and economic consequences. In most countries, government funding for medical research, totally many billions of dollars, is exclusively confined to mechanistic medicine. Its failure to recognise the power of minds means that it is weakest when dealing with the healing effects of beliefs, expectations, social relationships and religious faith. Its strengths depend on working with the natural capacities for healing
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As to your ridiculous claim to using a "softer method to build and strengthen ones immunity" you clearly don't know how the immune system works either. I thought you claimed to be educated on these things. The placebo effect is fine if you are asking the placebo to help manage a pain symptom or to serve as a control for real science but it's evil if it is offered in place of actual medical treatment. And when people like you poison the well against real medicine, you kill people. Shame.
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Wow, "gentlemen," you must feel really manly after screaming bullshit on Youtube. O_o
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The only fantasy here is that rape has become an epidemic problem. Political feminicrats, and their sackless liberal beta boy worker bees, like to hang the rape charge threat over men's neck like the sword of Damocles. Most men are terrified of women, and will nervously withdraw from awkward sexual advances for fear of being charged with rape. Dig a little and you'll find that false rape isn't all that uncommon. For fun and starters, Google Rosie Dodd, the woman imprisoned for false rape.
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It is quite simple and easy to do, many have done it. James Randi is not a scientist by the way, there is no evidence to suggest that mechanistic medicine is the only kind that works.
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"WATER HAS memory! And while it’s memory of a long lost drop of onion juice is Infinite It somehow forgets all the poo it’s had in it!" – Tim Minchin "Storm" Homeopathic cure for global terror? If Osama bin Laden's body were a homeopathic remedy, then all the water in the word's oceans would now be a powerful homeopathic anti-terrorism treatment, based upon the homeopathic principles that; like cures like & the more dilute a given active ingredient is, the more powerful & effective it becomes.
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Thank you for aptly affirming everything written in that slate article.
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You make three main points in this video, and there are also three main mistakes in it. 1: You criticise the idea of 'like cures like', but this is the same principle that all modern vaccinations are built upon. You give the example of consuming faecal matter... but, 2. then you mention the atomically non-existent dosage. So therefore, super-diluted faecal matter cannot be abhorrent, as it is your belief that it no longer exists. Your second criticism negates your former one.
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Denouncing James Randi is like denouncing Christopher Hitchens. Anyone who believes homeopathy is effective for anything is delusional, gullible and foolish.
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She seems like someone who has been programmed to believe in materialism.How would she explain the placebo effect? Because of her material prejudices,she ignores mental/emotional influences as much as possible. The power of belief is also shown by the hypnotic induction of blisters and by 'magical' cures for warts. Conversely, feelings of despair surpress the activity of the immune system. People who have suffered heart attacks survive better,on average if they are married or have a close friend
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