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Dark Knight Rises Shooting (Stop Exploiting Tragedy!)

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The Dark Knight Rises midnight showing in Aurora, Colorado was plagued by tragedy when a man armed to the teeth gunned down theater patrons. MY LINKS: My wedding registry:...

I don't think anyone would say that killing a theater, or restaurant, or school, or whatever, full of people you've never met is a sane thing to do.  Whatever injustice you're seeking to rectify, that's not going to do it.  Unless the crowd is comprised entirely of OMNICORP Illuminati planning to use the souls of the recently-departed to power a war-machine or something.  Then mass-murder might actually be useful.  Otherwise it speaks to mental instability, and if we're going to not blow this mudball apart and usher in an apocalypse, we need to call it what it is.  Delusion.  Whether that counts as insanity in your book, it's not far off.
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Well it all boils down to, if someone really wants to hurt someone, they'll find a way to do it. Guns are just convenient. He could have just as easily came in with some gasoline and a lighter (because I think this is the story where the guy snuck in through the back?) or something like that. Getting rid of guns won't solve the problem, they'll just find another way or buy guns illegally since their going to break the law anyway. It's not always people that are crazy or mentally unstable that do these things. Some people methodically plan this stuff out, buy the things they need and set things up in advance. It's almost impossible to say whether or not they were thinking rationally, or anything like that at the time but the word 'crazy' is subjective to peoples opinions. Some people think they are crazy, while others see that same person and don't think that.
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Americans are just stupid in general to still think that they fucking need guns. It shouldn't have happened in the first place. You're all fucked. This is an old video which is fine to comment on but this is a strange one to comment on. Oh well. You don't fucking need to have a gun lying around in your house. The crimes happen because people had access to guns. You can't fix it. You all love to fucking hate on Canada but we've had like one shooting in the last few years? A few?
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Your like a fucking messed up version of Rob Dyke
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The problem with the idea that a sane person with a gun can fight an insane person with a gun is that it requires a particular mentality to make oneself shoot at another human being, much less shoot to kill.  Just because some sensible person likes guns and carries a gun doesn't mean they have the nerve to use it.
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Self preservation is a very strong instinct. Faced with the choice between losing your own life and taking another most sane and rational people will choose to live. It is the irrational belief that all life is precious which our society has trained us to believe which inhibits our ability to defend ourselves with deadly force. Not every life should be considered precious. Your attacker's life is a prime example.
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Australia had a national buy-back of guns and the results have been incredible. John Oliver's The Daily Show did three episodes about it
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Looks like they didn't rise from their seats fast enough on that dark night, eh?
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I find it funny that you have ads activated on this video, while the title says "stop exploiting tragedy".
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im being sarcastic using your own logic on other countries,
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Or a good guy with a gun could show up, duh. again its doesn't have to be police. Police come after the damage to draw chalk lines, civilians are there at the beginning.
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Case in point: Under prohibition, everyone that drank alcohol was a criminal under the new law, even though it had been legal the day before the bill was passed. The law took people who were doing something legal, and made it illegal, making the people still doing it criminals. The same would go for the gun market. I meant nobody that wanted to own a gun would be breaking the law like they would if it was prohibited completely. Have I answered your question fully?
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I wonder what would have happened if he had used a bomb, he was perfectly capable of making one. Would we be arguing over regulating household chemicals?
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it looks like TJ has a Hitler stash.
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Dumbass all the criminals will have guns and none of the law abiding citizens will. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what would happen. And hell yeah its easy to get an illegal gun. I personally could get one.
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and like I said the there are many more policies effecting homicide rate in a country. why do you think switzerland has half the homicide rate of UK despite the fact that they have high civilian ownership of assault weapons? US probably have high rate of murder because of their poor policies that are creating high rate of poverty in the country. and I am not saying baseball bats are more dangerous than firearms. What I'm saying is if reduction of firearms does not produce the reduction in -
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we do not have guns here in Europe like in the US and we do not have so much gun crime, not even close. Here in Norway it is a no gun policy. Well u can own a weapon if you hunt or are in a shooting club and are active.... It is not easy to get a gun here though. And there is not a big black market either. America.....just look too Europe for some advice will ya..... some friendly advice..... It seems all the carzies live in the US for us, well the media portraits it so.....
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is it just me or does TAA look like a fat Adam Savage from Mythbusters?
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Okay good, cough up the several billion dollars and leo personnel it would take to even attempt to ban guns. Right after you legalize and regulate all the drugs so that gangsters and criminals no longer have any money to buy them. You'll also have to consider those that hunt and compete on a regular basis and open up some sort of registration for them. Do all of that and maybe, just maybe, I'll take you anti-gun people seriously.
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Thank you if americans would actually raise their damn kids we would have to worry.
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Operation fast and furious, a US government run operation, supplied US made guns to drug cartels. The hope was that they could track drug dealers later and arrest them. Didn't work out too well did it? You still haven't addressed the fact that you guys have twice the violent crime rate we do but with one 5th of the population. How'd you manage that? It's quite a feat I must say. You still didn't deny that you were the bitch of a few college kids with bricks.
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I get what he did but I'm addressing why it's there at all, in general.
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you know how long it takes me too drop a clip and load a new one about 2 seconds that aint enough time trust me
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The EU has different economic and social circumstances, and their attitude towards drugs, according WHO the US is the largest consumer of illegal drugs and the fact that they are illegal is contributing to a lot of the violence and if you check the FBI crime statistics murders with firearms are going down, do the math the amount of guns ha no influence on crime.
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Think about who run black market "imports" & who are most likely to get shot. It isn't in their interest for such a small market. We don't have guns & guess what; nobody wants them. Accept for murderers obviously, i can't think of another reason why anybody would want one. I've never met anyone who owns a gun in my life, (apart from americans,) if you really want to kill someone you should be willing to put in the effort.
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Why did you start smashing the shift key halfway through your sentence?
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This doesn't mean I agree with the situation that is there today, but if you ban guns and create a hole in the market you make a place where gangs can do lucrative bussiness. Here the majority of people don't want guns, therefore there is no demand and there cannot exist a supply without a demand. If nobody buys it, you can't sell it. You grew up, just like me, hating guns and what they do to people. But imagine growing up as someone who views a gun as a "god given" right? why stop it then?
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Its not only officers! What about the civilian militia! The country was born on civilian gun ownership. and police cant always be there.
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this logic is so fucking backwards, HEY LETS TAKE 2 DIFFERENT WITH COUNTRIES WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOCIETIES, ECONOMIES, AND HISTORY. by this logic In mexico guns are illegal, they have more gunfights than in the US, GUNS HELP in republic of congo guns are illegal, they have more gunfights than in the US, GUNS HELP in canada there is a slightly higher homicide rate, gun laws in canada are more restrictive, GUNS HELP
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Think about the time it takes to reload one, that's enough time for someone to get to safety, for a police officer to take action, or anything that could possibly save more lives. Someone who has to reload ever 100 shots he take, will likely kill more people, because there is less time for people to evade, or people to fight back. Someone having to reload ever 5 shots, will likely kill less, because more people evaded, and someone may took the opportunity to attack.
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Hey man, I posted two comments in response to what you said. It was from my ipod wich for some reason doesn't let me directly respond to comments so I posted them generally, but they're meant for you.
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"Let's create a black market :D!" Nice
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He got 360 quickscoped in the air weapon switch knifed!!
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And they're doing the same thing again with the massacre in Newtown. Of course its terrible, but gun control isn't the answer. Criminals aren't going to follow gun controls. Now, even the conservatives are jumping on the gun-law bandwagon.
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with UN data homicide rate did not decrease for more than a decade after the 1997 handgun ban it wasn't until 2008 that homicide rate decreased - the homocide rate stayed practically the same. in us for example the existing assault weapon ban expired on 2004. in 2004 homicide rate was 4.8 in steadily been going down, and in 2010 the rate was 4.2. US homicide rate was going down steadily since 1992(which they had around 10 homicide per capita) gun control did not change the rate of homicide
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Per capita there have been more shootings. Also, the whole of Europe has considerably less guns than the US. A HUGE black market would exist for criminals, who don't abide by the law by the way. Bad guys have guns, innocent people don't. Mr. Mugger has a gun, and you have nothing. Noticing something here? If guns were banned in the US, it would be the end of the country, but you're a moron and obviously too ignorant to see that.
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Self obsessed opinions... By definition all opinions are self obsessed because an individuals opinion is solely said individuals opinion. On the topic of exploiting tragedy to a point TJ is but he is more so asking as to why people do it in the first place and his fans wanted to hear his opinion. Honestly I do not understand why all these narcissistic people such as your self go to watch people they do not like all to post a negative comment.
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Meaning: something that is practiced law fully, that is then made illegal results in everyone still doing it being a criminal. The definition of being a criminal is being someone who breaks the law, or commits a crime. By that definition people who continue to practice the thing that is now illegal are criminals according to the new law.
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Stop Exploiting Tragedy unless you can link it to Republicans/Sarah Palin. watch?v=0_usx_T4HB4
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Youtube won't let me post you the link, but you can find the data by typing "un data record view intentional homicide" into google. You should also check out "Chart: The U.S. has far more gun-related killings than any other developed country- Washington Post" and "Graphic: how the murder rate has fallen- Telegraph". Do you STILL think the US is better off with guns?
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If Americans weren't so thick headed, (No I'm not insulting all American, I'm US born and raised myself) and their politicians so unbelievably corrupt, they could try taking a page out of our books. Over here in Israel, we actually have our teachers armed, and I mean well armed. In 10 years, we've had a total of 8 deaths in our schools, and around 400 for the USA. Maybe you should try arming the teachers, and getting rid of your "gun free zones."
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They never happen? Here's a perfect example, on July 18, 2012 a 71 year old man opened fire on 2 thugs that had a gun robbing a game store, stopping them. Last month a guy on my street had his house broken into, guess where the robber is now? In the ground. Look on the news you butthurt moron, every week there's a story of a hero stopping a thug with a gun. I'm no Republican, but I can tell you that the Obamacare tax and the debt it will leave people in will be the downfall of the middle class.
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The guy must have been a superman fan :/
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the system fucks up anyone who goes against them
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Did you know I can pull random ignorant bullshit out of my ass too? 100% of people who randomly type capital letters are child molesting rapists and mass murderers!
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Oh, and to answer your questions... I can't give you examples because they never happen. YOU give me an example of when it did happen. And no, retarded gang members do not count nor do movies. And we're not talking about managing to take the gun from the opponent, no. We're talking about YOU pulling out a gun, while at the same time having one pointed at you.And how are republicans smart? If they were they wouldn't of been republicans. I bet you hate free health care too.
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People don't want to admit that another human being like their neighbor, and church member, or co-worker can shoot them with no remorse. they are in denial to the fact that some humans will kill you for no reason.
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theres the flaw in your logic. that ordinary people are turned into criminals. WTF DOES THAT MEAN?? everyone is an ordinary person until they commit a crime and are suddenly a criminal.
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ive never heard anyone arguing for banning guns? haha ban violence in media maybe in the futre we will have mass crushings from too many ppl hugging hahaha <<satire
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Shooting sprees aren't a problem. I mean we have had 8 or so over the course of 13 years. Thats .000002% of the population. Cops and doctors have killed more innocent people than those nut jobs. The problem is the illegal guns used in gang activities,etc. We can only do so much, sadly we just never know when someone will flip their shit and shoot people. But the same can be said for cars, bombs,etc I can make a pipebomb for 20 bucks in 30 minutes. So if someone is hell bent on killing they will
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well, considering almost a year has passed now. what most of what he said has happened, is happening and will continue to happen. both the left and right side are doing exactly as TJ said. this is just like mass school shootings. 31 school shootings between Feb 29th 2000 to September 3, 2009, between February 5, 2010 and January 31, 2013 there have been 31 school shootings. whats being done to keep guns out of the hands of kids or damaged adults, nothing. its all talk.
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Everything is fair game in comedy. If you refuse to laugh at a joke because "it's fucked up", you are a hypocrite.
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I didn't suggest that it was black and white only pointing out that its a fucking menace having killer weapons like that around and in no way makes any of us "safer" I've already said my peace about this stuff. what can we say about any other civilized country that have strict gun laws. yeah anyone can get them with a black market demand will outweigh law in this case but how will you know until its been implemented? its a tough thing to decide but how do we prevent psychos from killin people?
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Exploiting tragedy is what gun-control freaks do best.
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Hey T.J, I live in the Netherlands and guns are illegal here. Many other countries on earth also have Laws against guns. There are no black markets for guns here in the Netherlands. (Or if there are, Ive overlooked them while living and being born here. They aren't in the news. What makes this particular prohibition work here and not in the U. S? Is it because people here don't want guns?
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weeklystandard(dot)com/blogs/it-true-armed-civilians-have-never-stopped-mass-shooting_690808.html
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Oh god another grammar patrol looking down on me, feeling superior and more intelligent! Freedom of speech hell yeh, If they know how to fix the world?? Wise up to fuck! Lmfao Did you KNow mOST hOO PAtrol YoUtUBe fOR gRAmmaticAL ErrOrs havent Had a bloW JOb in the Past 5YEARS. . A) dOes B) ThIs C) AnNoy D) YuO? Woih ieru Oug IHR oiio OIHEW io douch bag. Correcting others grammar does not make you more intelligent or at least may make you feel more superior.
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My take on guns is "I rather have one and not need it, than need one and not have one"
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I disagree with Amazing Atheist on many issues, but he is spot on with this video
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Take sociollogy, american society changed
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Give me one example of when a law abiding citizen who had a gun ran from a gun. You can't. Give me an example of a would be house robber getting blown to pieces by someone packing heat, a person stopping a hostage situation with a gun, or someone pulling a gun on a mugger. You can give me hundreds. I like how you say stupid redneck republicans, apparently they are much smarter than you. That's kind of sad. You seem a little butthurt bro. Calm down, you don't have to rage just because I'm right.
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I must say that while i usally agree with TJ, his opinions on guns worries me.
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This might start a black market, but the people that pass the psych test wouldn't need to go there, because illegality drives up the price of anything. A glock could cost 300 bucks in a gun store, the same gun, bought at a gun store, serial number removed, and transported there at risk of being jailed would easily cost a thousand. The black market would only be there for the people that couldn't go the regular way. It wouldn't turn ordinary people into criminals I mean.
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That's why you elect someone like Joe Biden to be your VP. Now that was a smart move by Obama :P an actual liberal who a redneck'd never want to be president.
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Yes, I have watched TJ's video. I sincerely hope that I don't ever have to use a gun on somebody. That's BS, there are plenty of smart people who own guns, I know a guy who's an architect that has a CC, I'm sure he would love to know that you think he's an idiot. Not everyone here is the frankly racist stereotype that you pin on us. Yes fiviifjj, because I support people's right to defend themselves, because I know that banning them will do nothing, because I am not ignorant, I am a redneck.
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Ted bundy didnt lay a finger on a gun and he killed a hell of a lot more people over ten years..
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Contrary to common perceptions, today both property and violent crimes (with the exception of homicides) are more widespread in Europe than in the US, while the opposite was true thirty years ago.
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Really the intention of the video I am sure was not to exploit a tragedy but to openly debate the merits of said happenings. It is haters coming to hate that make it look like a man exploiting tragedy.
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since when does banks drug test you ive smoke loads of joints and had loads of loans never once has a bank requested a hair follicle or urine sample or even a background check you're full of shit,
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You guys also have twice the rate of violent crime than the US, even though you have a fifth of the population. Fact.
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There were other points in the post as well. But I shall thank you for your kind words.
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While I do not support a ban of guns, I do support limiting gun magazine sizes and a stricter background check on who qualifies to own a gun.
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You have less gun crime because a. you banned them early and b. You're on an island. Mexico isn't right next to you, there's no way anyone can sneak anything in. And even with all these precautions you still have things like the Dunblane massacre and the London riots. How did it feel to be the bitch of a few angry college kids? Where were your police? I thought they could handle everything. Guess not.
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You are the Super hero of grammatical errors on Youtube, its a massive task to undertake but i suppose some one,s got to do it. I wish you well on your quest.
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You are sure? I would be near sure that this is the exploitation of a tragedy to open the merits of a debate, hence the debate being of fuck all meaning in the world when Thenotsoamazing has as much relevance as the rest of us! Class me as a hater because my opinion differs? This is the joy of Youtube, i thought he looked a prick and when i listened to what he had to say, i still believe its egotistical bullshit. At least i am giving him views:)
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There is no telling what a shooter would do before law enforcement shows up. He could still be killing, and if he is, with a limited sized magazine, a police officer will have a greater chance of taking him/her down.
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so, you're saying that guns help... who? Guns help in the killing of other people yes, guns help in your protection? NO! You NEVER get the chance of using your gun if you have a gun pointing at you. What, are you going to be Clint Eastwood on them? Broken logic
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and sorry for my messy english, it is not my first language
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The only real solution for these problems: Scan your society for "instable" people and pay attention to them before they do anything bad / help them to get on a better path. Downside to this solution: I think you can pretty much figure that out for yourself. Solution to the problem caused by the solution: Openness and transparency of the government. So basically you need the government to become completely open and transparent before you can even begin to solve this problem.
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there already is a black market for guns.
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That's enough time for a police officer to put a bullet in your head.
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lets people take cover at least , i mean come on if it only takes 2 secs to change clips , just limit the size im fine with bg checks , limiting mags and firing speeds
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whaaaaaaaaaaat?????????? isn't 'the whole point' trying have less people get killed? I mean why the hell does it matter if a person gets killed by gun shots or by a fork. That person's DEEEAAAAD I rather live in a country that has its yearly homicide rate of 100 that is all caused by guns than live in a country that has homicide rate of 200 that's been all caused by baseball bat what's the point of reducing gun crime if they are replaced by other crimes with same devastations?
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Also Switzerland there are about 420000 assault rifles in circulation GUNS HELP
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We can limit ammo to take the weapons away. All I want is more background checks!
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I thought only religious people can have the highest positions in USA??
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I understand, but there might be a connection between the decrease of "common" murders and crimes during 30 years in US and the fact that everybody has now a gun. We should keep this in mind.
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I think he's trying to make a point about using bad grammar. Apparently he doesn't know his capital letters are punctuation errors, not grammar errors.
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I agree 100% with TJ on this topic rightwings are idots for believing in their rambo wet dream leftwings are also idiots for not looking into facts and studies done on this subject
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You summed up what I've been saying for a long time. They are not worried about the crime, they're worried about how they're going to get their political agenda across.
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