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Bill Nye: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children

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Creationism in a nutshell: "I have never engaged in any activity that could remotely be confused with homework on this subject, nor would I recognize actual homework on it, nor do I understand or appreciate the homework that others have invested on the topic. However, I browsed a web page, talked it over with a minister and an MBA, and consulted a few like-minded and equally ill-informed people, so I feel confident in saying that scientists are full of cr@p."
Yes, there are a handful of religious people who do think like this, but please, don't associate that stereotype with all of us, I accept everyone's belief, and if I'm going to watch a video on this topic, I watch the atheist perspective rather than the Christian one, because I know what I believe and are genuinely interested in your beliefs.
+ergonomover "What me worry? What me care? "What cares..." hahaha  Spoken by a true boring drivel master!" Hahahahahahahahaha! All you can now attack are typos in my comments, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
So religion has raised it's ugly head again with the execution of 12 people in Paris today by followers of "yhwh" (yes, Allah is "yhwh"). That is why religion is a cancer.
+General Shamic Most theistic religions have been terroristic to other religions for the entire time that they have existed. Not every member, and not all the time, but all of the time some members are being assholes, using "holy scriptures" as validation, somewhere. In the case of Christians, just to give you an example, they have members who think that "muslims are bad". Hence Lebanon, the former Yugoslavia, and many situations in Europe where otherwise decent people of the Islamic faith are harrassed by "Christians" over faith. Yes, the Muslims return the favor. The point is that it is religion that is the culprit!!! Most theistic religions make demands that a faithful member must be at least antagonistic to "other gods/believers/etc." All the theistic religions make claims about "we are all brothers!", but when you actually read their dogma you find out it is usually more "kill them for they are heretics/atheists/anti"our god"!/etc.!" I don't hate any member of any faith (as long as they haven't hurt someone), but I think that it will be a great day when all humanity can abandon silly superstitions and get on with reality!
"Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! The enemy has been PUT TO THE SWORD and their remainder have FLED THE BATTLEFIELD! I'm simply ROBBING THE CARCASSES of their SLAIN and LOOTING, as all VICTORIOUS armies do! It's a time-honoured tradition! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" So religious proselytisation is simply a cover for land-grabbing and plundering the wealth and possessions of others, eh Eddy? Thanks for confirming that !
zaki likes to play 'mr. dress up' too
Creationists, including ID creationists, pathologically misrepresent the facts, laws, logic, theories, history, philosophy, methods and BASIC TERMINOLOGY of science because they are science illiterates whose religious convictions make them fearful of scientific inquiry. Example: They HABITUALLY misrepresent the scientific terms theory, law, transitional, evolution, vestigial, &c. Science illiterates should not define science policy or science curricula or misinform children about basic science.
+Fallible Fiend I was sitting in an ER waiting for my wife I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sure she would have appreciated your attention being directed toward her while in the ER as opposed to engaging with "lowlife" on an internet forum. Too late now.
Good thing professor Christie-Blick allowed Alan Clarke to "save time" and duck Blick's challenge to name the top 2 objections to evolution. Clarke used the time to say to FF: "BTW, I noticed that you found time to answer every low-level gibbering affront to your character but you don't have time for a scientific challenge. What makes/made you so insecure that you obligate yourself to respond to name-calling?" Did Clarke just say that Atkins and Aminu are nothing but low-level gibberers? Glad he took the time to say that!
As much as I like Science and have come pretty much full circle on my own point of view on evolution, I have to disagree to an extent with Nye.  This is a particularly touchy subject.  What people should not do is try to shove Religion down people's throats when Religion is a personal belief system.  Religions often have branches of that Religion, each on claiming to be right.  Well, they all can't be right can they?  What Evolutionist believe is that the Universe just existed.  By that same token, if the Universe just existed, why can't God just exist?  What I feel is the biggest issue with Atheist is that they refuse to see the evidence that is all around them.  The argument that Religious people give about Trees, Birds, and Animals all being evidence of creation is simply flawed.  Instead, what they should say is that everything is in working order.  In order to have something in working order, you need an intelligent being to make it work.  In fact, we see that all the time within our own world.  Computers would not be in working order if an intelligent Human Being did not create them.  Video Games would not exist if some intelligent Human Being discovered and wrote the code for it to work.  Fast Cars would not exist today if people did not learn the Science that has Order, in order to put the pieces of the first vehicle together.  All the things that we have created on Earth, we've created basically our own Universe right here on Earth.  Everything has Order within this sometimes Chaotic World.  Everything has Order within the sometimes Chaotic Universe.  That is a sign of intelligence.  Otherwise, there would be no laws of physics that make the world work.  If there is one thing that the Atheist and I can agree on, is that Religion is Bogus.  Religion is organized in a way to brainwash people and force them to not realize their own potential.  It forces people to be submissive to the general flow of things.  Truth is, Water is ever flowing and is always working its way around the obstacles.  We need to be more like Water.  Always Changing, Ever Flowing, and as a result, we grow Spiritually automatically.  No Religion needed.  After all, we are a Spiritual Being on a Physical Journey.  Never forget that.
+thepurple ballerina Why do people always bring up Polio?  As if it's their Magic Weapon.  Try the fact that the third world countries have poor sanitation and access to water.  For example, countries where they swim and shit in the same water, they have more outbreaks of Polio.  Polio comes from the Stool.  So, if you don't wash your hands, you have a risk to infect others.  Also, if you try to get rid of Polio, you increase the risk of other diseases that come form the guts as well.  The single biggest part of beating Polio is keeping clean.  How many people do you know today that don't wash their hands when they come out of a Restroom?  How many people in public places like Airport or Mall Restrooms?  Also, if you take Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Raw Organic Honey, and Baking Soda, you'll create an Alkaline system that Viruses can't live in.  Don't make me laugh with the who Polio thing.  I've heard that like a Million times now.  Do some research on the effectiveness of Vaccines, their severe reactions and all that.  I for one will not let myself even remotely become a possible victim of Vaccines.   What if I'm the next Victim?  What if a child is the next Victim?  What if an Elderly is the next Victim?  What if it was someone you loved?  I won't tolerate it.
this comments section really is a piss fest
"Something that I find especially repulsive about monotheistic, messianic religion is that it quite clearly wants us all to die. It wants this world to come to an end. You can tell the yearning for things to be over whenever you read any of its real texts or listen to any of its authentic spokespersons. Not the, sort of pathetic apologists who sometime masquerade for it.”  “One famous spokesman in Virginia, recently said ‘those that have chosen rightly will be gathered into the arms of Jesus’ leaving all of the rest of you behind. So if you're in a car, it's your look out, that car won't have a driver anymore. No pilot, that's you're lookout, that plane will crash. We will be with Jesus and the rest of you can go straight to hell. The eschatological element that is inseparable from Christianity, says, "if you don't believe that there is to be an apocalypse, there is going to be an end, a separation of the sheep and the goats, a condemnation, a final one, then you're not really a believer", and the contempt for the things of this world shows through all of them. It's well put in an old rhyme from an English exclusive brethren sect, which says 'We are the pure and chosen few and all the rest are damned, there's room enough in hell for you, we don't want heaven crammed.”  “You can tell it when you see the extreme Muslims talk. They cannot wait for death and destruction to overtake and overwhelm the world. They can't wait for, what I would call without ambiguity, a final solution. When you look at the Israeli settlers, often paid for by American tax dollars, deciding if they can steal enough land from other people, and get all the Jews into the promised land and all the non-Jews out of it, then finally, the Jewish people will be worthy of the return of the Messiah, and there are Christians in this country who consider it their job to help this happen so that Armageddon can occur, so that the painful business of living as humans and studying civilisation and trying to acquire learning, knowledge, health, and medicine can all be scrapped and the cult of death can take over.”  “That to me is a hideous thing in eschatological terms, in end-times terms and on its own, a hateful idea, a hateful practice, and a hateful theory but very much to be opposed in our daily lives where there are people who sincerely mean it, and who want to ruin the good relations that could exist between different peoples; nations; races; countries; tribes and ethnicities; and who openly say, they love death more than we love life and who are betting that with ‘god’ on their side they're right about that.”  “So, when I say in my book that I think religion poisons everything, I'm not just doing what publishers like and coming up with a provocative subtitle. I sincerely mean to say it infects us in our most basic integrity. Religion says we cannot be moral without big brother, without a totalitarian permission. It means we can't be good to one another. It means we can't think without this. We must be afraid. We must also be forced to love someone who we fear; which is the essence of sadomasochism; the essence of abjection; the essence of the master slave relationship, and that knows that death is coming and can't wait to bring it on.”  “I say this is evil, and although I do some nights stay home, I enjoy more the nights when I go out and fight against this ultimate wickedness and ultimate stupidity". - Christopher Hitchens
+Zaki Aminu  Edd's on a roll again: "FEEDBACK is ALWAYS NECESSARILY DESIGNED! It is a GOAL-TRACKING SYSTEM that HAS TO BE SET UP - BEFOREHAND - AND STRICTLY MAINTAINED, IF IT IS TO WORK AT ALL! This is a basic FACT of CONTROL ENGINEERING! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" Talk about circular reasoning ! The word engineering presupposes planning and volition. So to assert all feedback is deliberately designed by referring to an engineering context is fallacious in the extreme. Once again Edd's  dribbling grasp of linguistics and logic is patently clear. And what is the pre-emptive volitional "goal" of positive feedback as might be seen in a nuclear chain reaction or avalanche?  The quasi-stable giant red spot on Jupiter was designed was it? What about the hexagonal cloud formation on Saturn's North pole? The elliptical orbits of planets and the spheroid nature of planets and stars and the feedbacks involved - all designed by a bloke folks - as we are reliably informed by Eddze that God is a chap!  Poor Edd limps along with the pathetic fallacy crutch of his personification metaphor to hold him up. Pass the POPCORN again !
+Zaki Aminu Dry your eyes, little one. Who is deleting your posts? Are you a theist? Do you know this isn't my thread? Are you aware that I can see your posts, because they're still here? And last question - why would anyone NOT delete your posts? You seem to think any derision at all is a kind of argument - it isn't. So you're going home crying now?
+Zaki Aminu "Zaki, so are you just an attention wore seeking catch the curiosity of others as they point out your madness...." Hahahahahahahahahaha! I'm "mad" because I disagree with your claim that THE UNIVERSE is MEANINGLESS and PURPOSELESS? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....I never said that the universe is meaningless, YOU did...." OK, If you're withdrawing from that position, I WELCOME IT - providing you're admitting that THE UNIVERSE DOES HAVE MEANING! DO YOU - or NOT? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...So you believe that unless someone is holding your hand and dictating what you should do that whatever you do has no purpose. Hah, how childish of you Zaki, what are like 10 years old?..." Hahahahahahahahahaha! You see that sounds like YOU DO BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE IS INNATELY MEANINGLESS, does it not? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...Ha ha you are a riot. Hard to take anything you say seriously because even when one tries to have a conversation with you all you can do is masturbate at your supposed superiority over other's arguments...." Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! OK then, don't take me seriously! See if I care! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! But it's YOU who are getting UPSET, isn't it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Zaki Zaki Zaki, but you do CARE if people take you seriously otherwise how could you possibly impart your "supreme truth" unto them?..." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! I'm "imparting my Supreme Truth" TO THE RECORD - NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR! DO YOU THINK WHEN THE SUN SHINES IT SHINES FOR ANY PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...You are obsessed with inflicting lacerations upon others arguments, but the only one that seems to agree with you is you....." So what - AS LONG AS I'M RIGHT? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...haa haa if YOU say so...." I DO SAY SO! Hahahahahahahahahaha! "...You truly are sight to behold..." Well, I am rather special - even if I say so myself! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...Like a circus clown or a jester...." You're entitled to your PRIVATE OPINIONS - BUT WHY SHOULD OTHERS SHARE THEM? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...you seem to encompass the madness of countless so called "prophets" before you....." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! You mean the ones that were saying THE UNIVERSE was NOT MEANINGLESS, as you believe, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Nope, just the one claiming they alone had all the answers...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Would you like to mention a few names? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...None of the shit you say makes sense...." Well, THE UNIVERSE doesn't make sense to you atheists, does it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Doesn't it?..." YOU SAY THE UNIVERSE IS MEANINGLESS, don't you? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...and you make up arguments as you see fit...." Well, arguments HAVE TO FIT FACTS AND LOGIC, don't they? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...Do you even know what FACTS AND LOGIC are?..." YES! - BUT DO YOU? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...It is that same type of ignorance and madness that has kept humanity from advancing further...." To WHAT - MEANINGLESSNESS and PURPOSELESSNESS? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Humanity should find it's own purpose. You dictate purpose unto others and expect everyone to assume that your truth is "supreme"...." Hahahahahahahahahaha! If you want to find YOUR OWN "purpose", WHY SHOULDN'T OTHERS FIND THEIR OWN? WHY SHOULD THEY ACCEPT YOURS? YOU call me "mad" because I do not conform to you idea of how I should be! Is it not YOU who are trying to DICTATE to ME? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....In reality..." By which you mean YOUR MADE UP "meanings" and "purposes", eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Well you can also see it can't you? But reality is what everyone perceives and sees, not just something that exists solely within your head...." Hahahahahahahahahaha! IF THAT WERE SO, WHY IS IT WE'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT THEN? WHY IS IT YOU SEE THE UNIVERSE AS MEANINGLESS AND I DON'T? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....you speak for neither science nor religion, you speak for madness." And YOU speak for MEANINGLESSNESS and PURPOSELESSNESS and THE UNIVERSE coming from NOTHINGNESS, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...Heh, you need purpose to be given to you. Did god tell you to act like a mad man?" Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! WHY not keep to YOUR MADE UP "meanings" and "purposes" and LEAVE OTHERS ALONE TO GO THEIR OWN WAY AND STOP CLAIMING THEIR "mad" because of that? Fair enough, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Zaki that applies to you very well. Why do you even bother debating people here just so they can read your so called "drivel". I think you should take your own advice.
I would also say that Christians willfully reject & promote the rejection of any means by which truth is gained empirically in favor of a means by which no truth has ever been discovered, blind belief. Christian "faith" is actually self deception. Its continually telling oneself that rejecting the rules of the origins of knowledge can lead to knowledge, which is simply a lie. - executionerofgod Trusting that something exists that you not only can't see but have no way to assess if it actually exists is merely self deception. You only compound self deception when you grant attributes to this "trusted existence" despite having no actual experience with any aspect of it that's distinguishable from a fictional being fabricated through your imagination. Faith is the pinnacle of arrogance, rooted in the cowardice of denying one's ignorance when confronted by mystery. Faith is the deadliest of all vices, a kind of brain death, elevated to the status of virtue, & worse even than war; because with faith there can be no reasoning, no negotiating, no compromise, no diplomacy, no peace. "Only two things are infinite, the universe & human stupidity, & I'm not sure about the former." ~ Albert Einstein "Faith is not built upon evidence, but ultimately some assumption." Which is precisely why no intelligent god would demand or require it. Because even if one did happen by accident of chance to happen to worship something remarkably like the real thing (given of course that one exists), does it then reward this accident and punish those who's accidents didn't happen upon the same kind of god? If that were so, why would one worship such a god?     Why would anyone (including a god) respect unfounded beliefs unless they wish to foster the continuity of ignorance? That's just something religious people cry over because if their beliefs were under critical thought and scrutiny, it wouldn't get very far.     Do you think a god would care if you believe in him? If that was at all important to him he would provide a lot more than just isolated rumors of long past events and confirmation bias. If one thing is very clear in the bible it is that it is only that some of the kind of actions inspired by faith are pleasing to god. Sadly it's also apparent that the biblical god expects us to accept the edicts of his spokesmen without question and to know which spokesmen are his and not deceivers (despite these 2 requirements being at odds with each other and no evidence to use to discern valid truths). When you realize this book is just a huge tool to get control of populations so the clergy can live on the dole(tithe) with the cushiest jobs that a primitive barbarian could ask for, you begin to see it in perspective.
+Zaki Aminu NOT if you're DISTORTING what someone else has said, IT ISN'T, FAGGOT! I'm proud to say that I've never done such a thing except for demonstration purposes only, so you've got nothing on me, Muslim pussy. No. My quotes are ALWAYS VERBATIM! Sophistry. You dishonestly snip quotes to distort the context, even if they are verbatim, and I dare you to deny that you've done this on more than one occasion with atheists here. LET THE RECORD SPEAK FOR ITSELF! You're foaming at the mouth again with your knee-jerk slogans. I'm getting to you, aren't I? Bwahahahaha!
+Zaki Aminu "not in all cases. I have met many atheists who are simply people who sought proof and didn't find what they were looking for...." You didn't get to know them properly - or maybe they describing themselves wrongly! ANYONE who says there is no SUPREME TRUTH/GOD - which is what atheists do say - HAS TO BE EVIL! THERE IS NO OTHER POSSIBILITY! They might be evil in an agreeable sort of way - BUT THEY DEFINITELY WILL ALWAYS BE EVIL! "....In fact my life mate is a devout atheist and he's the smartest, kindest, most wonderful man I've ever met...." I'm afraid you're either DECEIVING YOURSELF - or he DOESN'T REALLY BELIEVE that there is no SUPREME TRUTH! "...I'm always saying how blessed I am to have him. He's always saying how crazy happy he is to have me. He knows I pray for him and takes it as the compliment it is. :) " Hahahahahahahahahaha! You just fancy each other that's all! That sort of thing makes people put on soft focus intellectual glasses! You're, either NOT a PROPER THEIST or he's not a PROPER ATHEIST! Or perhaps neither of you is COMMITTED to any particular worldview! If you BOTH were, YOU SIMPLY COULD NOT BE TOGETHER! As the saying goes: "There is NO FELLOWSHIP between light and darkness!"  That's quite the little rant you gave +Gookitty Zaki. Tch, you foster misunderstanding and hatred even between people that are from different camps but have come together. Zaki whe I refer to your madness I am talking about things like this. Look at you, fostering hatred and discontent just because people belong to different camps. Haaa haaa haa what a dumbasss you are Zaki. You self deluded fool EVIL is an idea just like JUSTICE and TRUTH. Everyone can claim to have the correct one and others can claim that other people have the incorrect one. But so long as you belive in a "Supreme Truth" that everyone must follow then there will always be war and conflict. Hah, you stupid dumbass maybe you could have gone on with your idiotic rants for the rest of your life if you had not met me, but to the misery of your self deluded madness me and you crossed paths. Just like you feel compelled to challenge atheist and people that challenge creationism so too do I feel compelled to challenge people that claim they have the absolute truth. I knew there was a specific reason why I didn't like you and it was staring me right in the face, But until I read the response you gave GoodKitty in this very post I just couldn't quite put my finger in it. Haa haa you dumbass even "god's" rules and guidelines are an opinion, HIS opinion. He and others may believe they are absolute but they are not really. But the way you and other theists make out god to be, you would believe that he is an asshole based on your descriptions. I'm sure even god is pissed at people like you that claim they speak on his behalf. Dumbass Zaki, THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTES IN THIS WORLD. You can delude yourself into thinking that you could even study logic theory but you would eventually come to the conclusion that everything around you is an opinion. Heh, and your opinion seems to be that people that don't agree with each other should go to war against one another and never come together. That seems to be your philosophy at it's core. You go around spouting bullshit that you believe and think that it is "divine" and "absolute", without really having an idea of what those things are. You do not argue for god, truth, justice, religion or any of that. At your core your arguments are abhout conflict. Heh, may have something to do with your history. Now let's see how to diagnose your condition. You have an Arabic sounding name yet you argue for Christianity. You live in Europe but came from the muslim world. Based on what you argue you seem to only value things that you deem are absolute. Obviously something in your past caused you to have these view points. What could they be, care to elaborate?
How is evolution appropriate? LOL EVOLUTION is a greater joke!! What hypocrites.
Our God has always been I know it is a difficult thing to understand but I can also ask you the same question where did the Big Bang come from. Something had to of always been here to start everything and that something is God. If you have any questions just ask.
"THEY ALL BELIEVE THAT THINGS "POP IN AND OUT OF EXISTENCE" - FOR NO REASON/WITHOUT CAUSE!" One more time. No-one has ever made such a claim.
+neosoontoretro Disbelieving is asserting his non-existence. I don't believe X ≠ I believe -X. Appeal to ignorance is NOT a good enough reason to reject a claim. This accusation would work if you could prove that "God exists" was inherently true, but that would require a circular argument, thus rendering this accusation null and void. You're not making any sense. You presume that God doesn't exist which means he doesn't have any attributes. If God exist then he would have attributes, but you presume that God doesn't exist before you even asked the question. Also, to know what someone means by God you have to know it's attributes. So you can't claim that God doesn't exist because God is indefinable. I'm going to show you the inherent flaw within this entire paragraph by replacing "God" and inserting a different deity. Observe. You're not making any sense. You presume that Eru Illuvitar doesn't exist which means he doesn't have any attributes. If Eru Illuvitar exists then he would have attributes, but you presume that Eru Illuvitar doesn't exist before you even asked the question. Also, to know what someone means by Eru Illuvitar you have to know it's attributes. So you can't claim that Eru Illuvitar doesn't exist because Eru Illuvitar is indefinable. In case the lesson flew over your head, defining something into existence isn't a logically valid approach because it is easy to claim and impossible to refute, which makes it a meaningless method to demonstrate the existence of anything. Now are you gonna concede to this point, or are you going to assert the non-existence of Eru Illuvitar? No, they haven't been refuted. I know in your atheist mind you falsely believe that but that doesn't make it true. No, they've been refuted. Unlike you, I've actually done my research and there are very valid counterarguments to the first cause, the unmoved mover, appeal to desire, and appeal to morality arguments. I might block you by then. Because you haven't offered anything worth discussing. Any excuse for an intellectually dishonest person like yourself. Go ahead and block me if you want to. You haven't offered anything except abject ignorance and arrogant bluster. You're a waste of time.
@Zakass Free will?   Free will and omniscience cannot co-exist, if god knows everything then it knows our future but we have free will and make our own decisions. If it doesn't know then it isn't omniscient, if it does know then we haven't got free will, one or the other is a lie?  Take your pick and choose wisely! You don't have to be too bright to be a Christian!
+Zaki Aminu "I guess you would know huh Zaki?..." You don't mind, do you? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Actually I do. "...You know all there is to know because you are "awake"...." You sound UPSET about that - WHY? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! because if you truly  believe you are awake than that means you consider yourself a prophet. Hee hee a prophet of madness. "...Hah, are you obsessed with always being right and knowing better than others and having people with different opinions than you "challemged"?..." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! YOU WANT ME TO BE WRONG? - WHY? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Because you preach madness NOT science or religion. Your madness can spread around if left unchecked. "....Hey Zaki you asked how many bat shit crazy people that Claimed to be prophets just like you were right, correct?...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! I'm "crazy" because I say that you're wrong to claim that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! No, you're crazy because of all your Hahahahahhahahahahaass. "...Well the answer is simple...." Do tell! Hahahahahahahahahahaha! You should already know Mr. awakened. "...No single person throughout history has ever been right about every single little thing..." REALLY? AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT - ATHEISTIC GUT FEELING? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT WRONG ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC THING? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Well it's just one thing, I am not claiming to have knowledge of all like you do. You know what you give theists a bad name. I bet no self respecting church would be caught dead being associated with you. There are some theists that have faith but also have use of logic. You only have use of madness. "...You are no different than they are...." HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT, FAGGOT? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I know that because of the mountains and mountains of evidence that you have left here on this threads. "...You just happen to have access to a steady Internet connection and a lot of free time on your hands...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! I'm sorry to hear you don't have proper internet connectivity at home! The government should make better provisions for the LESS FORTUNATE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Whoever said that I don't have access to the internet? Oh that's right you did because you know all and see all with your omnipotent power of cognition. "....I guess by this point the only thing that keeps you going is your complete and utter madness...." Or maybe I'm just BETTER THAN YOU, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Is that what you tell yourself at night when you can't go to sleep? "...But hey if me calling you mad makes you feel bad about yourself, try dropping the "hahahahahas" from your replys...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! WHY would I be upset about atheists disapproving of ME? THE OPPOSITE IS THE CASE: IF ATHEISTS APPROVED OF ME, I WOULD BE MORTIFIED! WHAT GOOD IS A PEST-KILLER THAT IS APPROVED OF BY PESTS? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Haa haa you're funny Zaki. I bet not even god approves of you. "...They don't make you sound smart or intimidating, they just make you sound demented and crazy....." CLEARLY, you don't like them - WHICH MEANS THEY'RE JUST THE RIGHT SORT OF THING I SHOULD HAVE IN MY POSTS! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! It's not that I don't like them Zaki, it's just that if you are trying to convince me of your bat shit crazy ideas it is kinda distracting with all the "hahahahahhaahahaass" "...That is why your madness cannot be taken seriously because with your deranged crazy clown laugh it seems that YOU don't even take yourself seriously." Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! I don't take YOU seriously, FAGGOT! That's all! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Well you take the time to reply to my posts do you not?
+Zaki Aminu "BEAT UP THAT GUY" That's what tantrum throwing teenagers want to do when they're proven wrong, isn't it?
Bill Nye is hoping Kent Hovind doesn't get released from Prison because Bill Nye fears Kent Hovind. I believe the earth is only around 6000 years old. Amen God Bless Kent Hovind and bring him home to his family.
+lordlandraid Yes, you seem to be angry at God I did mean drunk, not pregnant. Thanx for the credit on that one. Why doesn't God show himself to you and prove himself to you? The answer is obvious. He tries and you ignore him. The Bible says there will be those who replace the worship of the Creator for the worship of the created. He will give those people up to their own lusts, reprobate minds, etc etc. So if you choose to continue to o against God's interests, why should he bother with you? Are you in some way special? He loves you, just as he loves me and everybody, but he's not going to force you to follow him. You say I am wasting time. You are absolutely correct. I am wasting my time talking to someone without eyes to see or ears to hear. Shalom
+Spinner Oonie 'Yes, you seem to be angry at God' Seriously? This is your response? 'You're angry at the thing you don't believe exists'. Again, fuckin brilliant... 'Why doesn't God show himself to you and prove himself to you?' Again, real easy to do it. There are oh so many things he could do to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he exists. Sad thing is the only thing he ever seems to do is send people like you to try to convert me. He's either incompetent or a moron. 'He tries and you ignore him.' Yeah, so far his best attempts have been sending people like you who make no sense and ignore reality. 'The Bible says there will be those who replace the worship of the Creator for the worship of the created.' I worship nothing and no one. I don't need a replacement for something unnecessary to begin with. 'So if you choose to continue to o against God's interests, why should he bother with you?' You do realize that if he's as omnipotent as you think he is, he knows exactly what to do to convince me, whether I will accept it, and knows if at some point in my life I will believe in him. He would know from day 1. The whole 'omnipotence' thing is convoluted as all fuck. He consistently fails to prove himself to me/refuses to do so. The only thing that ever happens is that I find more reasons to think the God claim is ridiculous. Half the reason is because I keep talking to people like you who's personality and arguments push me farther and harder away than any logical argument ever could. 'Are you in some way special?' Based on your religion, aren't we all supposed to be? 'He loves you, just as he loves me and everybody-' Has a hell of a way of showing it... '-but he's not going to force you to follow him.' He can... Freewill is bullshit. He affects it twice in the bible, the most notable being the Pharaoh in Exodus. The other is in Deuteronomy. 'You say I am wasting time.' By making assertions from a premise you haven't proven, yes.
Is the God promoted on the page the Christian one? Is this god ruled by the classical laws of logic or is He omnipotent, and not subject to any law? If God is omnipotent then: The law of the excluded middle would not apply to God: any statement about God, as well as its negation, may both be true. So, “God exists,” and “God does not exist,” may both be true. Demonstrating “God exists,” would fail to imply that “God does not exist,” is false. Since the law of non-contradiction would not apply to God: contradictory statements about God may be true. Therefore, “God exists and does not exist,” may be true. Since the law of identity would not apply to God: God may be other than, or not, God (wiki, transcendental argument for the existence of God). The whole concept renders God meaningless, and rational thought about God absurd.
Creationists generally assert that everything in the universe was designed (like our resident mad man Wacky Zaki). However, this renders it impossible to establish an objective and meaningful distinction between designed and non-designed objects, because there are no non-designed objects for us to experience. Therefore, creationism is incompatible with the argument from design. In the Watchmaker analogy, the creationist claims that a rock might have always existed but a watch was definitely created. The characteristic property of design implicitly suggested is the watch is not naturally occurring and is therefore designed. However, the creationist also argues the universe, including the rock, was designed. This invalidates the "naturally occurring" vs. "not naturally occurring" distinction the creationist established in the first place; i.e. the argument is self-refuting.
+Owen Atkins But that isn't true at all? Mutations absolutely can add genetic "information." Bases can be both deleted and inserted, sections of the genome can be duplicated, etc. That's a really bizarre argument and really reveals that you (as well as many other creationists) lack even a basic understanding of genetics/biology. 
Why does cracky censor comments on his channel? What is he afraid of? Why do most fundie youtube vids disallow comments?
+matchlockfun "......"YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION, have you?" I'm not answering an invalid question, no matter who it's coming from. That's called "leading the witness." Moving on...." Hahahahahahahahaha! Well, THE RECORD WILL NOTE THAT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."WHAT might that thing be then, FAGGOT?" Knowing you, it's 72 virgins and watching infidels burn for eternity. You know that you would get off on that. Don't lie now...." Ugh! BORING! "...."ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T WANT THE RECORD TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF? THAT'S MY POINT: I DO - AND WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO DO LIKEWISE!" Except in your world, when people do speak for themselves and their worldviews don't line up to the millimeter with your worldviews, they're automatically wrong....." Well, I'M STILL ENTITLED TO MY VIEWS, am I not? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! I'M NOT FORCING THEM ON ANYONE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...I don't mind your intentions, but I do mind your ego-centrism. It has no place here...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! IT'S NOT FOR YOU TO ALLOCATE PLACES FOR THINGS HERE though, is it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."He is called "Billy" and HE IS A LIAR! So "Billy Lie" fits him perfectly as an appellation!" His actual name is William...." "Billy" for short! Hahahahahahahahaha! "...and you don't get to call him a liar without objectively demonstrating it first...." I CAN CALL HIM WHATEVER I LIKE - WHETHER I CAN DEMONSTRATE IT OR NOT! Hahahahahahahahahahaha! As it happens, I CAN DEMONSTRATE that he IS a LIAR! Hahahahahahahahahahaha! "...So your insult that you glorify as an appellation doesn't wash here, no matter how much your rationalize it...." Hahahahahahahahaha! "Here" would be YOUR MIND, eh? Hahahahahahahahaha! "...."That's WHINING - about people not believing what he'd like them to believe, isn't it?" By that logic, you're whining too, about people not believing what you'd like them to believe...." I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE! I'm simply saying THEY SHOULD LEAVE OTHERS ALONE TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY LIKE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...Next time, try and make sure your logic doesn't blow up in your face, okay? ;)..." Hahahahahahahahahaha! You're not quite together, are you? Hahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."He's INCLUDED in "everybody", is he not? I didn't say he was WHINING alone, did I? YOU are WHINING too! In fact, that's my point!" So correcting you in your blatant errors and acts of dishonesty (i.e. purposely misquoting him and misinterpreting his motives) and forcing you to account for your dishonesty is whining now? And now you're including me in your "let's spot the whiners" canard to cover your rhetorical boo boo? ROFLMAO! XD..." Hahahahahahahahahaha! WHY CAN'T YOU ATHEISTS JUST BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU LIKE - AND LEAVE OTHERS ALONE TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY LIKE? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU'RE QUALIFIED TO "correct" ANYONE - ESPECIALLY GIVEN YOU REJECT ALL OBJECTIVE STANDARDS AND DECLARE THAT THE UNIVERSE IS MEANINGLESS? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Thanks for proving once again that academic integrity is beneath you...." This is just NONSENSE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I know your attempts to rebut me are nonsense. No need to remind me." Ugh! BORING! "....I support the growth of intellectual capital in the United States..." So, is this just about US NATIONALISM for you? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....And yet another instance of you dishonestly fragmenting my quotes to misconstrue the context of my words. I'll just let this hang over your head and be used against you...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! You think it is a great strategy to accuse me of doing the UNDERHANDED things you've been, doing, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! I'm the one who is actually RECONSTITUTING QUOTES here in order to enable the posts to have clear meaning! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."I prefer to support intellectual capital EVERYWHERE AMONGST  THE HUMAN SPECIES AND BEYOND! WHY DON'T YOU? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" I already do that, thank you very much...." NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR EXPRESSED VIEW THAT YOU WISH TO SUPPORT IT  - IN THE UNITED STATES! OR DO YOU THINK THAT STATEMENT COVERS THE WORLD? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...So quit bitching against Bill Nye for his call for the growth and fostering of intellectual capital in a way that reveals how jealous you are of him...." Hahahahahahahahaha! Like you, Billy Lie is NOT INTERESTED in fostering intellectual capital beyond the United States - so WHY should I be interested in his program, or yours? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....."When reasoned discourse is no longer possible, it is best to simply LET THE RECORD SPEAK FOR ITSELF, isn't it?" The record can't speak for itself, idiot...." Hahahahahahahahahaha! Yes IT CAN! Books can speak for themselves! Electronic recordings CAN! Sedimentary Rock Evidence, CAN! And so forth...! Hahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Interpretations of the record lead to debates like this..." ONLY WHEN ONE SIDE IS TRYING TO DISTORT THE RECORD! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...You just want people to see you as right no matter what stupidity you puke out...." No. I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Thankfully, we're here to prevent you from abusing the record like that...." WHY NOT SIMPLY LEAVE THE RECORD ALONE TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."At the end of a BOXING MATCH, the judges present their scores! The same is true for the end of a debate! When it ends, THE RECORD IS ALLOWED TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF, isn't it? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS you've won? YOU CAN'T BE THE JUDGE OF A MATCH YOU'VE BEEN A PARTICIPANT IN, can you? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! This verbiage is just you trying to shut down intellectual discourse by covering the rank stench of your musty old slogan with Eau De False Analogy. Even if it wasn't a poorly conceived false analogy, you can still hold boxing matches without a judge, but that means that the winner and loser can only be determined by who gets knocked out." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! THAT IS STILL THE RECORD SPEAKING FOR ITSELF, isn't it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" "....This is just drivel. Can you expand on this?" LEAVE THE RECORD ALONE TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" "WHat are you saying? I was trying to read the record but then you posrted 220 lines of jibber-jabber.  Can you expand on this wealth of knowledge, massive IQ lady-man?" Well, LET THE RECORD SPEAK FOR ITSELF, eh FAGGOT? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
+Zaki Aminu "......"YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION, have you?" I'm not answering an invalid question, no matter who it's coming from. That's called "leading the witness." Moving on...." Hahahahahahahahaha! Well, THE RECORD WILL NOTE THAT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."WHAT might that thing be then, FAGGOT?" Knowing you, it's 72 virgins and watching infidels burn for eternity. You know that you would get off on that. Don't lie now...." Ugh! BORING! "...."ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T WANT THE RECORD TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF? THAT'S MY POINT: I DO - AND WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO DO LIKEWISE!" Except in your world, when people do speak for themselves and their worldviews don't line up to the millimeter with your worldviews, they're automatically wrong....." Well, I'M STILL ENTITLED TO MY VIEWS, am I not? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! I'M NOT FORCING THEM ON ANYONE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...I don't mind your intentions, but I do mind your ego-centrism. It has no place here...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! IT'S NOT FOR YOU TO ALLOCATE PLACES FOR THINGS HERE though, is it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."He is called "Billy" and HE IS A LIAR! So "Billy Lie" fits him perfectly as an appellation!" His actual name is William...." "Billy" for short! Hahahahahahahahaha! "...and you don't get to call him a liar without objectively demonstrating it first...." I CAN CALL HIM WHATEVER I LIKE - WHETHER I CAN DEMONSTRATE IT OR NOT! Hahahahahahahahahahaha! As it happens, I CAN DEMONSTRATE that he IS a LIAR! Hahahahahahahahahahaha! "...So your insult that you glorify as an appellation doesn't wash here, no matter how much your rationalize it...." Hahahahahahahahaha! "Here" would be YOUR MIND, eh? Hahahahahahahahaha! "...."That's WHINING - about people not believing what he'd like them to believe, isn't it?" By that logic, you're whining too, about people not believing what you'd like them to believe...." I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE! I'm simply saying THEY SHOULD LEAVE OTHERS ALONE TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY LIKE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...Next time, try and make sure your logic doesn't blow up in your face, okay? ;)..." Hahahahahahahahahaha! You're not quite together, are you? Hahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."He's INCLUDED in "everybody", is he not? I didn't say he was WHINING alone, did I? YOU are WHINING too! In fact, that's my point!" So correcting you in your blatant errors and acts of dishonesty (i.e. purposely misquoting him and misinterpreting his motives) and forcing you to account for your dishonesty is whining now? And now you're including me in your "let's spot the whiners" canard to cover your rhetorical boo boo? ROFLMAO! XD..." Hahahahahahahahahaha! WHY CAN'T YOU ATHEISTS JUST BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU LIKE - AND LEAVE OTHERS ALONE TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY LIKE? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU'RE QUALIFIED TO "correct" ANYONE - ESPECIALLY GIVEN YOU REJECT ALL OBJECTIVE STANDARDS AND DECLARE THAT THE UNIVERSE IS MEANINGLESS? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Thanks for proving once again that academic integrity is beneath you...." This is just NONSENSE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I know your attempts to rebut me are nonsense. No need to remind me." Ugh! BORING! "....I support the growth of intellectual capital in the United States..." So, is this just about US NATIONALISM for you? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....And yet another instance of you dishonestly fragmenting my quotes to misconstrue the context of my words. I'll just let this hang over your head and be used against you...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! You think it is a great strategy to accuse me of doing the UNDERHANDED things you've been, doing, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! I'm the one who is actually RECONSTITUTING QUOTES here in order to enable the posts to have clear meaning! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."I prefer to support intellectual capital EVERYWHERE AMONGST  THE HUMAN SPECIES AND BEYOND! WHY DON'T YOU? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" I already do that, thank you very much...." NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR EXPRESSED VIEW THAT YOU WISH TO SUPPORT IT  - IN THE UNITED STATES! OR DO YOU THINK THAT STATEMENT COVERS THE WORLD? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...So quit bitching against Bill Nye for his call for the growth and fostering of intellectual capital in a way that reveals how jealous you are of him...." Hahahahahahahahaha! Like you, Billy Lie is NOT INTERESTED in fostering intellectual capital beyond the United States - so WHY should I be interested in his program, or yours? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....."When reasoned discourse is no longer possible, it is best to simply LET THE RECORD SPEAK FOR ITSELF, isn't it?" The record can't speak for itself, idiot...." Hahahahahahahahahaha! Yes IT CAN! Books can speak for themselves! Electronic recordings CAN! Sedimentary Rock Evidence, CAN! And so forth...! Hahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Interpretations of the record lead to debates like this..." ONLY WHEN ONE SIDE IS TRYING TO DISTORT THE RECORD! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...You just want people to see you as right no matter what stupidity you puke out...." No. I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....Thankfully, we're here to prevent you from abusing the record like that...." WHY NOT SIMPLY LEAVE THE RECORD ALONE TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."At the end of a BOXING MATCH, the judges present their scores! The same is true for the end of a debate! When it ends, THE RECORD IS ALLOWED TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF, isn't it? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS you've won? YOU CAN'T BE THE JUDGE OF A MATCH YOU'VE BEEN A PARTICIPANT IN, can you? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! This verbiage is just you trying to shut down intellectual discourse by covering the rank stench of your musty old slogan with Eau De False Analogy. Even if it wasn't a poorly conceived false analogy, you can still hold boxing matches without a judge, but that means that the winner and loser can only be determined by who gets knocked out." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! THAT IS STILL THE RECORD SPEAKING FOR ITSELF, isn't it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" "....This is just drivel. Can you expand on this?" LEAVE THE RECORD ALONE TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" "WHat are you saying? I was trying to read the record but then you posrted 220 lines of jibber-jabber.  Can you expand on this wealth of knowledge, massive IQ lady-man?" Well, LET THE RECORD SPEAK FOR ITSELF, eh FAGGOT? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" Wat are you saying? I was trying to read the record but then you posted 231 lines of jibber-jabber.  Can you expand on this wealth of knowledge, massive IQ lady-man?"
Edd E Coyote dons his irony hat again by posting 3 consecutive pieces of propaganda and then decrying propaganda in his third diatribe !  "The trouble with atheists is that having NO CONCEPT OF OBJECTIVE TRUTH TO GUIDE THEM, they are INCAPABLE of traveling far from what is already familiar before they become CONFUSED and LOST! This is why they STRENUOUSLY oppose ANYTHING that departs EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST WAY from the HERE AND NOW! This is the reason why Atheism has NEVER contributed ANYTHING to human knowledge - THROUGHOUT HISTORY! If it has ANY useful function at all, it is ONLY as an OBSTACLE COURSE - against which those striving towards the High Goal of humanity must test themselves and emerge victorious!" "When they encounter KNOWLEDGEABLE opposition that they cannot confuse with a FLOOD OF NONSENSE, atheists ALWAYS recede into a state of NIHILISM where they REJECT ALL OBJECTIVE STANDARDS in order to cause a breakdown in communications which alone can save them - they believe - from DEFEAT! It is the intellectual equivalent of an army blowing up bridges to block the path of an invader whose progress cannot be halted, but may be delayed by such actions! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!Of course, it is a PATHETIC SUBTERFUGE which CANNOT save them from being eventually CRUSHED! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" "Atheists are TERRIFIED of what THE RECORD will say about them - which is why they OBSESSIVELY try to doctor it - both in their own minds and in those of others! This is why atheists are so fond of CENSORSHIP and INDOCTRINATION - and suspect EVERYONE ELSE of being up to the same thing! The idea of simply LEAVING FACTS TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES is one they find UTTER [sic]  DISTASTEFUL! PROPAGANDA is the CHIEFEST of ALL they [sic] tools which they deploy! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" What a NUMBNUTS !
+Zaki Aminu This is just VERBOSE DRIVEL! We know your attempts at rebuttals are drivel. No need to remind us.
Some gibbering buffoon commenting on this video stated that The greatest impediment to accepting creationism is understanding it. Understanding what precisely? • That man was made from a ball of mud (note that creationists often exclaim that they are not "made from dirt") and woman from his rib? • That the woman (with the cooperation of a talking snake) "tempted" the man to eat the fruit of "knowledge" (we see how poisonous knowledge is against religion if it was shunned thousands of years ago)? • That a 600 year-old man and his family of 8 without any knowledge of ship-building were able to build a wooden boat massively larger than the largest wooden boat built in modern times which despite being built by hundreds of experienced (and much younger) ship-rights, still was unable to stay afloat? • That we are told that unlike for believers who have a strict moral code handed down by god, for atheists morality is all relative and yet when we question why stonings to death are no longer carried out today, inevitably the answer the theist offers is that god prescribed punishments that were appropriate for the time i.e. their own god is a proponent of moral relativism! • The list is endless... I would say that the greatest impediment is knowledge - the more one learns about the natural world, the less one is likely to believe in fairy tales written for adults. In fact, it's not just me who says it - the fastest growing segment of the population who reject these fairy tales is precisely the more educated who attend college.
Understanding reality, dipshit.
+Owen Atkins "Reality"??? Please - don't make me laugh. Or do you keep a pet talking snake at home?
Complexity alone is no measure of good design or even intelligent design. Indeed if a job can be done with less complexity it invariably means there is less to go wrong, less that could foul it up. A sweeping examination of any modern life form shows complex inter connected systems ala Rube Goldberg using a hundred steps where 2 or 3 would suffice. A deeper closer examination reveals the cumulative nature that built these systems by taking something crappy and making it a little bit better by adjusting the crap or adding some other bit of crap to compensate. Thus evolution proceeds via removing the crappiest crap from the bottom of the gene pool leaving the slightly less crappy crap to breed their crappy solutions to the environmental challenges just because they survived.
You sound so retarded when you type that way. It sounds hilarious. Hes not totally right. Carbon dating is completely inaccurate. Try testing something that is alive. It will say it is 5,000,000 year old one time or maybe the next it will say 45,000 years or 34,000,000,000 years. It is a crap shoot. totally inaccurate.
The idiot who has no sense of grammar and uses the word "your" when he intends to write "you're" is calling me retarded. That's fucking rich. His blatant idiocy continues despite being told that carbon dating can ONLY be accurately used to about 55,000 years yet continues to insist that carbon dating will give a reading of 5,000,000. As if scientists who use this technology aren't aware of the limitations of carbon dating and will gleefully accept any reading over 55,000 years as accurate. Get a science education, moron.
LOL no evidence for creationism. There's evidence all around us that God exists. You can even look at how complex humans are and can tell that we must have a creator and were designed. But athesist want to tell everyone that we came from an explosion of "non living" matter and kept mutating to finally turned into humans??! ...The devil is a liar & atheists have been fooled big time!
+EVO Fan See. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Really Bill? I can be an engineer. Proficient in drafting, construction and material science regardless of what I bielive or what God I worship. Think for 2 seconds before you open your mouth next time, alright?
+FreedomR115 You: You are also nothing to me. Not a professor I have to kiss up to in order to get an 'A', not my employer either. I owe you nothing You're just a voice behind a screen. Me: You may not owe the professor anything, but I'm surprised you hold yourself in such low regard that you don't feel you are owed the honest truth. You are a sad example of the power of indoctrination, as are the millions of others who happen to believe in a different fable by the sheer accident of time and place of their birth.
I am a Christian and saying that we have no proof of our religion is just crazy. Go ahead and ask me anything and I will bring proof. One for example people say the bible is all a lie yet all the people all the places and all the events have been proven with eye witness, historical accounts, and even archaeological dig's. Also let me just put out there before someone asks this question the "Big Bang" did happen, our earth did start that way. So let's say that we could watch the Big Bang happen, what would it look like... It would look like a explosion of light, right? And that is exactly how the bible says it happens. But please ask me anything and I will try my best to show you the truth.
+Tyler P. The order of creation in Genesis 1 goes Formless Earth & Heavens, Water > Light> Firmament> Grass & Trees> Stars, Sun & Moon> Ocean Life & Birds> non flying land creatures> Man & Woman The order of creation in Genesis 2: Earth & heavens> Springs> Man> Garden> Trees> Beasts & Birds>Woman Neither one are indicated by extant evidence. So 6 days or 6 million years makes no difference. It is still wrong.
+Tyler P.     The presence of ephemeral markings (raindrop marks, ripple marks, animal tracks) at the boundaries of paraconformities show that the upper rock layer has been deposited after the lower one dried (when during the year long flood did that happen?) Within those layers you find not only evidence of multiple floods, but interspersed with those you have wind blown sand and ash, foot prints and other trace fossils at many different levels (Impossible given a single flood creating all the layers)     Again these are present in multiple strata and their concept of how they form is wrong. They have to have dried before being recovered in order to be preserved.      Why would God alter ALL of the natural clocks to make them indicate an age vastly older than the Earth? Why would He make those clocks all wrong in different ways that AGREE with one another? Why would He create a set of rules for how floods work, then send a global Flood that broke EVERY ONE of those rules?      Your supposed global flood would have had enormous tides due to the lack of bumping into the continents. Applying that to the muddy bottom that never got a chance to dry out you would have a complete mixing of all extant species rather than the progression observed. Add to that the observation of trace fossils like footprints and splash marks which can only have formed if the impressed layer had a chance to dry/harden prior to being subsequently recovered. This is simply not possible given this completely unevidenced global flood which BTW would have destroyed the Ark when as the flood dried up would have been beached twice a day due to the tides flexing in  way on various terrains that would have it taking on water at a prodigious rate drowning everything on board. There would have been no survivors. I won't even get into the heat issue.
Dear creationists. If this so-called 'god' of yours exists; where did it come from; who or what created it? How can something come out of nothingness?
If that one didn't go into much depth try looking at William Lane Craig's website or YouTube channel. He has a good deal of work done and I like most of his stuff. I really like the moral argument for God.
ergonomover 1:34 AM "In depth scientific meaning of rocks goes beyond regular meaning, you deranged Krackpot....." IN WHAT WAY? BE PRECISE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...So what is the 'other meaning'? Be brief, instead of wasting your time with insults and fake laughter." Hahahahahahahahahaha! YOU JUST ACKNOWLEDGED REGULAR MEANING OF ROCKS, didn't you? Or are you denying IT EXISTS? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Zaki denies there is any supernatural deity who gives meaning to rocks! We're making progress! There, I used his own non-logic against him! Haha (etceteRa)
+ergonomover "Zaki denies there is any supernatural deity who gives meaning to rocks! We're making progress! There, I used his own non-logic against him! Haha (etceteRa)" Ugh! BORING! THE RECORD IS HERE - FOR ALL TO SEE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The Big Bang contradicts the first Law of Thermodynamics. Meaning, that something can not come from nothing.
+The Celestial Coffeepot it was pretty evil, seemed to be waiting for me and it just stared at me. Our dogs at the time saw it before I did, on our way to close the gate on our property. The dogs stopped so I did, I looked at them and the hair on their neck's were raised and then I saw it. Think I went into shock for a couple of seconds and ran like a man mad.
+Jack lee I think you are well-equipped to imagine how primitive man looked at lightning and thunder in that case.
So often, the first screw that gets loose in a fundamentalist extremists head is the one that holds their tongue in place.
I sent to everyone. In a cycle. . Take it how you want. Touchy.
+Jeana MACHA Atheist The others in the cycle are creationists or not? 
Still no science from science-illiterate, troll named Owen Atkins!  However, he has debunked the silly notion that he is any kind of scientist! Unlike DR Nicholas Christie-Blick who has PROVED that he IS a scientist! http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=vD6gJnEAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao As one whose primary "research" methodology is dishonest quote mining, the intellectual incompetent calling itself Owen Atkins is the antithesis of a scientist!  He's just a cowardly, anonymous twit puking stupid onto the net!
+Zaki Aminu Don't need to speak for science to know that you are a science illiterate and liar!  STILL no science from you!
+Fallible Fiend "Don't need to speak for science to know that you are a science illiterate and liar!  STILL no science from you!" YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR SCIENCE! YOU SPEAK FOR OBESE FAGGOTRY! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
 Something I find truly hilarious is the way FUNDIES think they're able to make winning arguments with passages FROM SJ GOULD! A SOURCE THEY TOTALLY REJECT - AND COMPLETELY MISINTERPRET!  Har de har de har de har de etc etc
+Zaki Aminu "What if the satellite is GEOSTATIONARY?" A Geostationary GPS satellite? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! "Planets WERE ALSO REFERRED TO AS "STARS" by the ancients, weren't they? " They were wrong about that too then, weren't they? And this helps your argument.......HOW EXACTLY? "it's CLEAR that an ANALOGY is a MODEL and does not claim to be IDENTICAL to what it is associated with, does it?" Not much consolation to you then when you'd said the following: "If you knew ANYTHING about General Relativity, you would know that its equations EXACTLY mirror those to do with the mechanics of Elastic materials! Which is why an elastic sheet on which heavy objects are placed is used to visually demonstrate SPACE-TIME CURVATURE!" Having asserted this with your usual pathetic bravado (and even emphasised "EXACTLY") and after I'd asked you to show where the elastic sheet suddenly became discontinuous you then proceeded to pull apart your own example and show how INEXACT it actually was! It was hilarious then and it's doubly so now! But don't take my word for it, folks. Read all about it at the linked thread below: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/105357787002235900971/105357787002235900971/posts/4c7Mcndo8zc "You're just DESPERATE to introduce CONFUSION and DISTORTIONS into what I'm saying now, aren't you, FAGGOT?" Do stop whining ! When you've been caught out you always bleat about distortion. You even cried about it in the linked thread above (which given the thread's topic was yet more priceless humour !) "You may have had some success against simpler minds in the past, FAGGOT - YOU WON'T HAVE ANY WITH ME! YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT BY NOW! " Simpler minds that talk about geostationary GPS satellites, you mean? Simpler minds that think a rubber sheet with a fat hole in it is a better way to demonstrate the gravitational effect of space-time? Simpler minds who think white dwarf stellar remnants turn into black holes? Simpler minds who assert that the Chandrasekhar limit has nothing to do with cosmological standard candles. Simpler minds that think the speed of light has NOTHING to do with the spectroscopic structure of elements? I have had those conversations with such simpler minds. Unfortunately they all seem to go by the user name of "Zaki Aminu" - go figure..........
Zaki says he is leaving but here he's back again with a tired rant full of bravado and profanity, reeking of desperation. Still can't tell us the meaning of rocks? LOLOL  Better to have bones in the head than meaningless rocks.
+Zaki Aminu "But not all opinions carry equal weight, especially if they are horribly misinformed. Yours are especially misinformed...." THAT'S A MATTER OF OPINION, isn't it? This sentence is the intellectual equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?" "Your pathological need to separate sentences and distort the context of my words only reveals your intellectual dishonesty." Why not let people decide that for themselves, FAGGOT? So apparently, the only decision that counts is the one that agrees with what you've said. Thanks for informing me of your expectations. Or can you point out how I've changed the meaning of ANYTHING you've said? Sure. Your words: *********************************** "Well, talk about ABJECT SURRENDER!" *********************************** When what followed was nothing of the sort. In addition, the fact that I'm replying to you is proof that I haven't surrendered to you at all. Hope that helps. XD "Well, whaddya know? I got you to use the word "butthurt", even if it was applied incorrectly to my words, but it's a start. Your deprogramming will continue in due time. ^_^" I'm addressing you in your FAGGOTIC language so you can understand me, FAGGOT! Right, because you'll say anything to portray me as inferior to you. No surprise here. Your sentence is the intellectual equivalent of ethnocentric, caricatured portrayals of non-Europeans during the early 20th century. Hence the quote marks surrounding the FAGGOTIC expression "BUTT HURT"! Since you can't prove that the word "butthurt" is sexually exclusive in the English language (spoiler alert: it isn't), you resort to the intellectual equivalent of trying to have your cake and eating it, too. What are you gonna do for an encore: shoot yourself in the foot again? Boring.
IN THE BEGINNING, THERE WAS ONLY THE ETERNAL PRIMORDIAL POTENTIAL - FROM WHICH ALL ELSE SUBSEQUENTLY CAME! IT IS WITHOUT CONSTRAINT ON ITS NATURE - AND THEREFORE IS INFINITE! BY DEGREES, ALL ELSE ISSUED FROM IT BEARING EVER LESS RESEMBLANCE TO IT WITH GREATER DISTANCE FROM IT - UNTIL AT LAST, THE LOWEST OF THE LOW, MATERIAL SUBSTANCE, ALSO AROSE! IT IS TO THIS LOWEST OF THE LOW THAT ATHEISTS HAVE DEVOTED THEIR ENTIRE ATTENTION, CALLING IT "reality" - AND HAVE NO WISH TO SEE ANYTHING OF EXISTENCE OUTSIDE OF IT! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! FOOLS! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
+Zaki Aminu So you're admitting it is possible then? Good one. Shouldn't you be worshipping me then?
Even though the hemoglobin molecule of a chimpanzee differs from that of a human by only one amino acid, I have a question.  If evolution is true, then why are humans still here, and why haven't we evolved ourselves over the extent of time we've been here?  Why is it that we voluntarily choose our own nature of life, while the chimpanzee cannot, and is kept captive by his own breed?  Here's another issue with Bill Nye's outlook.  He wants the future generation to be filled with scientists, but that's simply not going to happen.  With all the years I've been in science myself, I can tell you that it eventually becomes very dry, boring, and lifeless.  You'll never truly know why so many people in the world do not enter the field of science until you have been exposed to it. 
+Laminolgi105  "why haven't we evolved ourselves..." LOL Good one.
The main flaw of a 7 day creationists is the failure to understand what a god is... an all powerful god could make a world which 'appears' older but is not... there is nothing wrong with that concept. Perhaps such a god would make a world appear older so that we better understand the processes he put in it... like evolution. Simply put: religious texts do not go into the detail because they have other messages that they deal with... the bible does not seem overly concerned with 'how' humans came to be, otherwise it would mention it more than a few sentences.
+lordlandraid I never mentioned other universes. I will stop explaining and give you something to read from a very reputable scientist: http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/People/Is_the_Universe_finite_or_infinite_An_interview_with_Joseph_Silk
+Joel Reid 'I will stop explaining and give you something to read from a very reputable scientist-' Okay, so, I read it. I don't know why you bothered bringing up the possibilities 'in an infinite universe' since that is dealing with the size of the universe, not what can occur in it. Regardless of how large the universe would be anything that occurred in it would be governed by the laws it functions by, which means not everything is a viable option. It still functions based on the confines of THIS reality.
Today's Creation Moment The Stinking Poison Bird Acts 14:2 "But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren."  The hooded pitohuis is an evil-smelling, blue jay sized bird that is native to New Guinea. The bird has been known to science since 1827, but they held a secret that only began to be uncovered in 1989.   An American graduate student made the discovery while studying another local bird – the bird of paradise. Unfortunately, hooded pitohuis kept getting caught in his nets. As he released the unwanted pitohuis, they would claw and peck at him. After he released the birds, he licked the wounds they had caused. As a result, his mouth began to burn and finally became numb for several hours. This led the graduate student to send dead hooded pitohuis to the National Institutes of Health for further study. The poison they produce was finally identified as one of the most poisonous substances known. It is hundreds of times more poisonous than strychnine. The amount of poison in one bird can kill 500 mice. Most amazing is that only one other creature produces the same poison, the poison dart frog of Central America.  Those who believe in evolution maintain that the ability to produce the poison must have evolved twice. But it's not that simple. Not only do both bird and frog, half a world apart, have to evolve this unlikely ability twice, but they both had to evolve immunity to their own poison. Ultimately, evolution is a faith. It is a faith that is poisonous to Christianity because it makes death natural rather than a result of the first Adam's sin. And without the fact of the first Adam, there is no need for the Second Adam, Jesus Christ. Prayer:  Lord, I thank You for Your victory over sin, death and the devil. Amen. 
+Owen Atkins You are a gibbering science illiterate, a coward, and risible fraud.  You are no kind of scientist. The certain thing about you is that you are a gibbering idiot.  Evidence that Christie-Blick is a scientist: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=vD6gJnEAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao Evidence you are a scientist: NONE Your science illiteracy, abject dishonesty, and general intellectual incompetence do not refute the actual science of evolution. Still no science from you! Your "Creation Moments" is strong evidence that you're just a random gibbering idiot on the Internet who thinks he's a scientist, because he knGows how to incompetently google intellectual rubbish that feebly supports his uninformed prejudices.
+Fallible Fiend Your claims are risible rubbish since you're a proven science-illiterate idiot who rankly repudiates hard science in favour of evolution bullshit. [I am a brilliant scientist.]
I see that our own "special needs" Pwned Atkins is posing again! Dear sweet Pwned, please list any or all of your peer reviewed papers on any topic, subject or conjecture? Please demonstrate your own claim for having multiple doctorate degrees? Please demonstrate anything at all that would impress anyone at all? By the way, are you dressed in the "uniform" of the security element that protects "FLAVOR FLAV"???? I mean, you've already been exposed as a "Valor Thief"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+ergonomover "For the 427th time, I admit unbastardized logic and you command none...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! THE UNIVERSAL LAWS OF LOGIC are NOT PERSONAL TO ME! THEY'RE UNIVERSAL! Are you prepared to adhere to their standards - or NOT? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...I'm not a faggot and it is you who can piss off Kraki! Haha(etc) Ready to finally reveal the (undectable) oogity boogity meaning of rocks?" Hahahahahahahahahahaha! You ARE a FAGGOT! And, if you're now admitting that ROCKS HAVE MEANING - CONTRARY TO YOUR EARLIER POSITION, I'm quite content! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
+Zaki Aminu I said rocks have scientific meaning and you haven't shown any other meaning.  Supporting LGTB rights does not make me LGTB, but such logic is clearly lost on you. Do you support the legal rights of terrorists or criminals to due process, a trial by their peers? If you think so, doesn't that make you a criminal/terrorist according to your skewed 'logic'? Haha(etc) Of course not. Surely you realize your fallacy of guilt by association is wrong on many levels! I'm not gay, but if I was, it'd be nothing to feel guilty about, just ask Goodrum - it's something he should know.
I think it is like the bible says in Romans 1:21 and following. As far as I know, all of Mr. Nye's evidence isn't valid as shown by Answers in Genesis. You are welcome to believe that the universe came from nothing (as Hawking would argue) but I would point out that even our natural laws are something and thus that he is wrong.  The question only shifts to become, "Who created the laws of physics?" I encourage you to not be like the people Fallible Fiend talks about. Research it for yourself, become scientifically literate, contrary to popular belief it doesn't take a PHD to know how the universe began it only takes curiosity and a developed intuition/common sense. The more you know the more you will be able see the problems with arguments for both sides but at least you won't have evolution or creation shoved down your throat through a text book or a church. As for me,I've read/been taught both side and I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.  I've found the truth, but don't take my word for it. I'm encouraging you to find it on your own.
+Evan Brass You're trying to blend two different topics into one. ExtantFrodo has more than adequately explained the mechanistic phenomenon of variation, and how we know of the contribution to evolutionary change.  It's surely up to you now to read and learn? If you're really interested in the truth, you'll look these things up without prejudice. As to your other, and unrelated topic, you're right in saying we may never DIS-prove the existence of any god, but you're wrong in thinking that we can (or have already) proven the existence of one. On purely logical terms, the idea of the Abrahamic god doesn't add up. . .  Judas - why is he the bad guy? Didn't Jehovah know his contribution to the resurrection story before he involved him in it? I have become fascinated over the past few years by the Pesher scrolls unearthed near the Dead Sea. As an atheist, the most convincing argument (in my own mind) for any truth to the Gospel account, was that somebody had gone to a lot of effort to put it in writing. But why so much contradictory, parable-driven gobbledegook? The pesher reading makes it clear. If we understand that Judea was a land with nothing to offer except mysticism, religion and self-discovery, due to it being a barren and arid land midway between the various kingdoms to the east (Mesopotamia), West (Egypt) and North (Greece/Rome), then we can grasp why it was the center of so many religions and cults. The pesher depends on being 100% predictable - if any reading differs with any other, then it must be considered flawed - but it has not failed yet.  And what does it show? That the early christians were Jews who were driven by the gnosticism of the Greeks - shunning the physical world and only entertaining the spiritual preparation for what they thought (hoped) would be the end times. Against a backdrop of occupation by the Romans, they kept a thorough record of their recruitment of new converts in the known world, the money they brought in, the politics of their religious sect, and ad accounting of the calendar, counting down to the end-of-days. Look it up, see what you think.
+Evan Brass "How do you know that it is accelerating at the same rate?"    So you want a course in the mathematics of cosmology here? You don't ask for much, do you? "I would like to ask you what story you believe."    Not the gospel accounts. Aside from authenticity issues (which is a heated debate all on it's own), there the inherent lack of plausibility of it all.     First you have Matthew claiming zombies were rising up all over the place. Not only is this not support by ANY source outside Matthew (even the other gospels), but if it is to be taken as fact, then it diminishes the resurrection of jesus to being only one of many at that time. If you don't take it as fact then why accept the claim about Jesus as fact? Then there is the post resurrection discrepancies The Saga of the Empty Tomb Matthew 28: Two Marys meet an angel Mark 16: Mary, Mary & Salome meet a young man Luke "Mary Magdalene, Joanna, & Mary the mother of James & the other women with them" meet 2 men in dazzzling apparel John 20: Mary Magdalene sees an empty tomb & no one else, runs to bring Peter & someone who also see no one & leave Mary who then sees 2 angels & then sees Jesus      4 Gospels & 4 completely different accounts for the most significant event in human history?  I really can't see any Roman soldiers going through all the trouble of putting a guy up on a cross just to let him down the same day. The standard procedure was to leave the body to rot up there as a kind of gruesome billboard not to fuck with Rome. So much so that I find it harder to believe they would undo all that work (supposedly out of respect for the Jewish holidays (like they cared at all)) than to believe anyone rose from the dead. They would sooner have just cut his throat or bashed his head in and tossed him in a ditch. Then there's the account of the following weeks... Luke 24:15 While they were talking and discussing, Jesus Himself approached and began traveling with them. 16 But their eyes were prevented from recognizing Him. hahahaha Mark 16:12 After that, He appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking along on their way to the country. 13 They went away and reported it to the others, but they did not believe them either. (LOL appeared in a different form. I can't stop laughing.) Matthew 28:16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. (Why were they doubtful? Was this not Jesus whom they had spent the last 3 years? Doesn't it seem more like there was someone claiming the spirit of Jesus had risen up in him, possessed him to talk through him so that he could take the place of and have the attention that Jesus had? Some believed and others didn't.) "The rate of evolution is, however, bound by the rate of mutation"    Fairly large changes in the rate of mutation (either more or less) do not appreciably change the rate of evolution. Of course you can not have zero mutation of have it so high that few of the offspring are even viable, but outside those extremes it doesn't matter a lot. In my genetic algorithms I employ a varying rate of mutation to "bump" the population out of  any local minimum it may have gotten stuck in. This is a very artificial set up. In nature that rate of mutation is more or less constant and due to background radiation, radiation from out there (points to the sky), as well as various chemical and viral mutagens. Each of these are pretty most constant and so the rate of mutation is also. "It would change the beneficiality of mutations but, without a mutagen, you wouldn't have an increased amount of beneficial evolution."   You'll have to reword this for it to not be confusing. Do you have a source where an organism has gained a new tool through mutation? http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5278028/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100901-science-animals-evolution-australia-lizard-skink-live-birth-eggs/ Google beneficial mutations and don't click to the creations websites. "The problem arises in the fact that these beneficial mutations must accumulate fast enough that the animals between species die and the fossils don't form"   Why is that "the problem"? Look how many changes between wolves which have changed numerous ways ranging from great danes to toy poodles in just a few thousand years. That's not through genetic engineering but selective breeding of natural random variations. Notice while we are here that wolves do not change into poodles in the wild as the selection pressures are in place for them to be wolves, not poodles. Now ask how many fossils document the change from wolf to poodle? What? No transitional fossils documenting a known change of form? Travesty! It's not the rate of mutation which is the culprit but the frequency of fossilization. "An intelligent designer could do the work of billions of years of evolution in a matter of micro seconds. {granted IF such exists} It would also mean that the animals would follow after their kind instead of performing evolutionary jumps." If you're saying the changes recorded in the fossil record indicate microsecond creation, then you are talking about an extended creation talking billions of years and following the same logical progression outlined by evolution, just using god to explain the PE. I don't much care for "god of the gaps" type arguments as they invariably get shot down. What then of your belief? St. Augustine cautioned against this and (despite my not accepting his premise that god exists) his logic as far as the position of the believer is sound nevertheless. "The Bible clearly tells what is right and wrong" Correction - The Bible clearly CLAIMS TO tell us what is right and wrong. And clearly fails to know what wrong is in many circumstances. Let's look at some of God's morals, as written in the bible: - If you work on a Sabbath, you should be killed [Exodus 31:15] - If your son disobeys you, murder him [Deut 21:18-21] - Sell your daughter into slavery to pay the bills [Exodus 21:7] - If your children curse you, kill them [Lev. 20:9] - Women are subservient, they must remain silent [1 Tim 2:11-12] - Slaves must perform any act you wish [Titus 2:9] If you agree these are wrong then you are more moral than god.    God commands his followers not to kill, & then in the same book commands they go & slaughter an entire city, including all the children.     If you say killing is wrong & then command killing you are immoral. Being immoral is setting up a moral code & then violating it.     If not believing in magical sky daddies is immoral then what is moral?     It is unethical & immoral to create sentient beings to use as mindless servants. Rebellion in such cases is mandatory     Is murder wrong because your god says so, or did your god say so because it's wrong? In other words, in the absence of a commandment not to, would you be going around murdering people?     Think carefully before you answer, since you will either be admitting that you're a latent serial killer, or else that god is irrelevant to the morality-discovering process.
The matter we are made of never dies, but we are not the matter, the atoms we are made of. Our consciousness emerges from the form of the matter and like atoms become a watch when atoms are arranged to produce the "watch" function, once those atoms are disarranged it no longer functions as a watch - when you disarrange our molecules post mortum, then we no longer function. I'm not saying we are automatons acting out what the molecules dictate (although this is a significant part of our reality), no, I have what I think is a fairly good and logical means that we have some free will within certain margins. Where we get in trouble is our ability to imagine alternate scenarios. (Think about that for a few minutes before reading the next section) Did you do it or are you skipping ahead? Ok, here we are... Humans, and we have this weird fantastic facility to picture our environment (the objects, land, people) and to be able to picture it "changed" - not as it is, but with differences of just about any kind. Furthermore, we can picture ourselves as acting agents within the context of those changed worlds, those alternate realities. Most people don't think about "How they think", so they are unaware when they fall into a trap of their own making that they have done so. Can I imagine a world which is free of suffering, disease and death and imagine me in it and label this alternate reality "heaven"? Easily! Does that make this world (however desirable) any more real than imagining I can flap my arms and fly makes it true? Some people think so so strongly that they murder people over it. I appreciate wanting to make a route to that world which is less painful than our world is, and our powerful imaginations are one of the best tools for helping us achieve that - but only by using them to weed out scenarios and inventions that won't work. Investing heavily in assuring oneself that some imaginary place is real wastes more human man hours than all other things combined.
+mikecucuk "...."WHATEVER ONE BELIEVES TO BE THE FUNDAMENTAL REALITY IS WHAT ONE WORSHIPS, FAGGOT!" That's sophistry and you know it. Having a view of reality that is consistent with the observed evidence is not worshiping it by any stretch of the imagination, but I can see that you're more than willing to stretch it even farther than that, which only shows how desperate you are to smear the atheistic position. Projection Fail! XD" Here is the definition of worship from Merriam-Webster's online dictionary: *********************************************** Full Definition of WORSHIP 1chiefly British :  a person of importance —used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors) 2:  reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also :  an act of expressing such reverence 3:  a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual 4:  extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem <worship of the dollar> ************************************************ Hope that helps! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Perhaps what you're trying to say is that YOU DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED RESPECT FOR WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE ULTIMATE TRUTH? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."Perhaps you don't know what the word "worship" means, eh?" Of course I do, and I'm not doing it. Meanwhile, you clearly don't know what the word means since you misuse it in this context. Too bad your little plan backfired...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Well, the definition and its explanation is there! LET THE RECORD NOW SPEAK FOR ITSELF, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."ABSOLUTELY" Posting from a Creationist website? And here I thought you were smarter than that. I'll never make that mistake again. At any rate, these laws are abstract principles which were invented by fallible humans with imperfect minds. How do you expect to demonstrate the existence of a GOD with HUMAN laws?...." Hahahahahahahahaha! Mathematics and the rest of science - WHICH DERIVE FROM THESE LAWS OF LOGIC MUST APPEAR INVALID TO YOU then, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...For all you know, this god you believe exists could be immune to these laws. Look at it this way: If the classical laws of logic depend upon a god for their existence, then the classical laws of logic must not apply to this god. If they did, this would be like a mother giving birth to her mother, a ceiling supporting itself in the air, or an effect causing itself or the cause of its parent cause. And you've reminded us time and again about your belief that effects don't cause themselves. So why is it when it comes to the laws of logic, you make an exception? I now get to watch you perform a mental gymnastics routine....." Hahahahahahahahahaha! This is just UTTER NONSENSE! A Law is the expression of the Will of the lawgiver from which it came! As such, the lawgiver is MORE BOUND THAN ANYTHING ELSE TO THE LAW that s/he gives! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."Hope that helps!" It certainly helped to show me how fucked up your thought process is and how it's interfering with your ability to make a cogent argument." Well, LET THE RECORD SPEAK FOR ITSELF, eh FAGGOT? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."What a SILLY FAGGOT!" Namby-pamby carpet banger, Can't please his wife with his wanger. Went online to waste his time by losing to a stranger." Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a SILLY FAGGOT! Hahahahahahahahahaha!
+Zaki Aminu Here is the definition of worship from Merriam-Webster's online dictionary: ********************************************* Full Definition of WORSHIP 1chiefly British :  a person of importance —used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors) 2:  reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also :  an act of expressing such reverence 3:  a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual 4:  extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem <worship of the dollar> ********************************************** Hope that helps! It sure helps reveal your selective understanding and feverish desperation. This definition doesn't remotely fit what I'm doing. 1) Chaos is not a person 2) Chaos is not supernatural or a divine being in the realm of physics; 3) Atheism is not a religion 4) Chaos is not an object  I'll say it again, since you're struggling with the ability to understand a rather simple concept: Accepting that chaos and entropy are the status quo of the universe while order is the exception (as per scientific observation, not religious inclination) does not equate to worship. If you can't wrap your peabrain around that, then there's no use arguing this with you anymore. Perhaps what you're trying to say is that YOU DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED RESPECT FOR WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE ULTIMATE TRUTH? First off, you don't get to speak on my behalf, so you can drop your sanctimonious pretentiousness. Second, "unlimited respect" is an unnecessary detail. The universe, as a whole, doesn't care whether I respect it or not, but the prospect of not having your respect reciprocated doesn't give you the right to posit a being that will reciprocate it. That's just your childish dualism at work. Well, the definition and its explanation is there! LET THE RECORD NOW SPEAK FOR ITSELF, eh? Your intellectual incompetence and your inability to distinguish acceptance from worship are duly noted. Next time, take off your theistic glasses before accusing me and bringing me down to your level of abject stupidity that you wallow in. Mathematics and the rest of science - WHICH DERIVE FROM THESE LAWS OF LOGIC MUST APPEAR INVALID TO YOU then, eh? This rebuttal would be effective if it weren't for the irony that mathematics and science  demonstrate that a god most likely doesn't exist. Next time, just admit that you can't answer a simple question, take your lumps like a man, and move on. This is just UTTER NONSENSE! I know what your rebuttals are. Don't need to remind me. A Law is the expression of the Will of the lawgiver from which it came! As such, the lawgiver is MORE BOUND THAN ANYTHING ELSE TO THE LAW that s/he gives! Yawn. More rhetorical smoke and mirrors. The classic laws of logic are human in nature. A god, by definition, is not bound by human laws. Or do you really think that this god you've deluded yourself into believing exists is actually bound by its created beings? XD Well, LET THE RECORD SPEAK FOR ITSELF, eh FAGGOT? The record shows that you trot out this old, musty catchphrase when you're cornered and you've run out of intellectual ammo. What a SILLY FAGGOT! Speaking strictly for yourself, of course.
Creationism is not appropriate for children because "you" need literate taxpayers! What the fuck are you talking about? what's the relation with believing creationism? are you sure that you are a "scientist" or a kind of clown. 
Creationist self-pwnage 101 Creationists often claim that Darwin recanted on his death-bed (which he didn't btw). Therefore, if this so-called 'heaven' existed (which it doesn't btw) Darwin would be spending eternity teaching his life's passion (Evolutionary biology) to all the so-called 'moral' people who made it through the pearly gates. Hilariously, if this so-called 'hell' existed (which it doesn't btw) then judging by the hateful immoral and dishonest behaviour of our resident creationists (all creationists in fact), then it is they who will be roasting in the so-called 'lake-of-fire' (which doesn't exist btw) for all eternity. Too funny.
+matchlockfun I can't wait for the follow-up documentary (spoiler alert) where Ham and Alan end up fighting; they fall into the water and Alan ends up finding a ring 5 km down on the sea floor. When he places the ring on his finger he becomes invisible. It's all true, I've seen the trailer.
+Charlie Darwin Should be a good soundtrack. The deathly screams of the small children, and terrified gasps of hopelessness set to a thumping 70s disco beat.
To illustrate just how hopeless evolution is, imagine this: on the ground are all the materials needed to build a house (nails, boards, shingles, windows, etc.). We tie a hammer to the wagging tail of a dog and let him wander about the work site for as long as you please, even millions of years. The swinging hammer on the dog is much more likely to build a house as mutation-natural selection is to make a single new working part in an animal, let alone a new creature. 
+Zaki Aminu "So you're saying that the only difference between homosexuals and burglars... is the tools that they use and lack of consent? False Equivocation Fail! XD..." I'm saying I DON'T APPROVE OF HOW THEY EXERCISE THEIR FREEDOM TO CHOOSE, FAGGOT! Well, your approval doesn't play a role in their freedom of choice, now does it? What they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is not affecting you personally or interfering with your freedom of choice, so really, you've got nothing to whine about. Oh, and it's still a false equivocation. Didn't think I'd remember that, did you, turban turd? "Except homosexuals don't break into your house to have anal sex with the first thing they find, so your cartoon-y comparison fails." I DON'T CARE HOW THEY HAVE ANAL SEX - I DON'T APPROVE OF IT! Again, what role does your approval play in their freedom of choice and yours? And when are you going to let go of your cartoon-y views of homosexuality? However, as long as they don't parade it and insist I approve of it, then they may carry on doing it - and I probably won't even know about it! Well, you know about it now, so that ship's already sailed. But know this: your life isn't a dictatorship where your will is law. You're not gonna stop them from parading it around and insisting that you approve of it, so don't act like their activities are dependent on your approval when really they're not. If you're that concerned about it, though, don't attend any gay pride parades, and if (not when) some homosexuals approach you and insist on your approval (ha!), just say "tough rocks" and get on with your day. QED. "How does that even follow? Not that I expect you to provide an honest answer..." You said it was purely a matter of FREEDOM OF CHOICE, didn't you? Yes, I did, and your false equivocation still stands in the rest of your paragraph. If so, then ON WHAT GROUNDS CAN YOU DISAPPROVE OF ANYTHING THAT Hitler did - when he was only exercising his FREEDOM OF CHOICE? Um, the fact that his choices resulted in the deaths of millions of people for purely selfish reasons? You don't even know how your arguments connect anymore, do you? "I don't disapprove. I just slowly correct them on their misconceptions that drove them to their erroneous conclusion. ^_^" And they tell you that your "corrections" are BULLSHIT! That's not a refutation, though. It's just a knee-jerk reaction devoid of any rhetorical substance. Or do you have something against being corrected in your misconceptions? Besides, HOW CAN YOU CORRECT SOMETHING YOU DON'T DISAPPROVE OF, FAGGOT? You can drop the rhetorical smoke and mirrors. What I'm correcting is the misconceptions of a topic, no matter who it's coming from. And it's gonna take you your lifetime to figure that out.
+mikecucuk "So you're saying that the only difference between homosexuals and burglars... is the tools that they use and lack of consent? False Equivocation Fail! XD..." I'm saying I DON'T APPROVE OF HOW THEY EXERCISE THEIR FREEDOM TO CHOOSE, FAGGOT! "...Well, your approval doesn't play a role in their freedom of choice, now does it?...." Of course it doesn't! But that's NOT THE ISSUE, is it? I STILL DON'T APPROVE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...What they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms is not affecting you personally or interfering with your freedom of choice, so really, you've got nothing to whine about...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! If I don't know about it, how can I have a view on it? But if it is paraded in front of me, I DO HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE A VIEW ON IT, don't you think? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...Oh, and it's still a false equivocation. Didn't think I'd remember that, did you, turban turd?..." This is just DRIVEL! Hahahahahahahahahahaha! "Except homosexuals don't break into your house to have anal sex with the first thing they find, so your cartoon-y comparison fails." I DON'T CARE HOW THEY HAVE ANAL SEX - I DON'T APPROVE OF IT! "....Again, what role does your approval play in their freedom of choice and yours? And when are you going to let go of your cartoon-y views of homosexuality?..." They don't require my approval to engage in FAGGOTRY! But I DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A VIEW ON FAGGOTRY, don't I? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."However, as long as they don't parade it and insist I approve of it, then they may carry on doing it - and I probably won't even know about it!" Well, you know about it now, so that ship's already sailed...." WITH MY DISAPPROVAL! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...But know this: your life isn't a dictatorship where your will is law. You're not gonna stop them from parading it around and insisting that you approve of it, so don't act like their activities are dependent on your approval when really they're not...." Hahahahahahahahahaha! They have NO RIGHT to insist on my approval of FAGGOTRY - AND I SHALL NEVER GIVE IT! IT IS AN ABOMINATION! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...If you're that concerned about it, though, don't attend any gay pride parades, and if (not when) some homosexuals approach you and insist on your approval (ha!), just say "tough rocks" and get on with your day. QED...." Hahahahahahahahahaha! If they parade it in public it's difficult to avoid, isn't it! And, I DO SAY "tough rocks" when they ask for my approval - as here on this forum! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "How does that even follow? Not that I expect you to provide an honest answer..." You said it was purely a matter of FREEDOM OF CHOICE, didn't you? "...Yes, I did..." If so, then ON WHAT GROUNDS CAN YOU DISAPPROVE OF ANYTHING THAT Hitler did - when he was only exercising his FREEDOM OF CHOICE? "...Um, the fact that his choices resulted in the deaths of millions of people for purely selfish reasons? You don't even know how your arguments connect anymore, do you? Hahahahahahahahaha! But Hitler WAS EXERCISING HIS FREEDOM OF CHOICE, WAS HE NOT? AND DIDN'T  YOU SAY THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...and your false equivocation still stands in the rest of your paragraph...." Hahahahahahahahaha! That's just NONSENSE! WHO MADE YOU JUDGE OF THAT? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! "I don't disapprove. I just slowly correct them on their misconceptions that drove them to their erroneous conclusion. ^_^" And they tell you that your "corrections" are BULLSHIT! "....That's not a refutation, though. It's just a knee-jerk reaction devoid of any rhetorical substance. Or do you have something against being corrected in your misconceptions?..." Well, what are your "corrections" based on other than ATHEISTIC GUT FEELING? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Besides, HOW CAN YOU CORRECT SOMETHING YOU DON'T DISAPPROVE OF, FAGGOT? "....You can drop the rhetorical smoke and mirrors. What I'm correcting is the misconceptions of a topic, no matter who it's coming from. And it's gonna take you your lifetime to figure that out." Hahahahahahahahahaha! If you see nothing wrong with something, HOW CAN YOU THEN PROCEED TO CORRECT IT, FAGGOT? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Ya'know Bill, I think I'll be the one to decide what is and isn't appropriate for my children.
+FreedomR115 'And really how is what is being taught to children in school today not indoctrination?' Because schools tend to teach kids why it is something is true, not just to blindly believe something... The mechanisms are explained, the thought processes are explained, and they are encouraged to form their own opinions on the matters at hand and explain them. Everything dealing with Creationism is the exact opposite of everything in that list. Schools teach kids to think, not believe.
Funny about 100 years ago. Creationism would have been the accepted truth. Now its not. So really what you're telling me is 'truth' anymore is flavor of the week. In another millennium or so, we'll be going through the same paradigm we are today. And how is it that importatnt. For instance I could drop christianity and creationism right now in exchange for what you're selling me. What does it change? I still have no life, no friends, no job and no future. Sounds like this is a pretty minor thing.
I thought Bill was cool, until now, to believe in Evolution, is to not believe in Jehovah God, and I refuse to go there,..and kids need to learn the truth instead of non-believers lies.
Hey Bill, guess what. I know something that pushes every single one of your aspects of evolution off a very large cliff. But i'm not gonna tell you, because you should already know from years and years of scientific study, or just plane common sense. But because you refuse the truth, and choose a confirmation bias perspective. How should I expect you to want to understand, even if I told you. I'm sorry for all who deny there common senses, I will pray for you & God bless.
+Zaki Aminu " the ATHEISTIC theory of Darwinian Evolution which DENIES the Existence of God!" Darwinian evolution is not Atheistic kiddo.  It's just science and biology.  Evolution is not how life began - it's how life verifiably operates. " IT HAS BEEN ABOUT WHAT CAUSES IT?" So far, all empirical evidence points to the natural, physical and chemical properties of matter. "Atheists deny it is CAUSED/CREATED" That's like saying 'Theists deny it is naturally occurring!" Claiming something is being denied is claiming it's been proven true.  Creationism has not been proven true.  Evolution has. What started life is unknown.  You claiming it's obviously God(s) is absolutely no different than others claiming it's obviously not God(s).
Is anyone else upset a little by the fact that the only ones who won't block us are the psychopaths?
It's ridiculous when atheists/materialists go on about peer-review as if Nature needs to acquire permission from scientific journals before it does something! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! If something is correct, it remains so - REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEER-REVIEW SAYS! REGARDLESS OF WHETHER ITS DISCOVERER IS THE HOLDER OF A SCIENCE PhD from a renowned university or not! This is something that atheists simply don't grasp - and why they're at odds with Nature and it's workings despite their bluster and posturing! Nature will NEVER share its most intimate secrets with those who show it no respect - NO MATTER HOW MANY DEGREES THEY HAVE OR HOW MANY PEER-REVIEWED ARTICLES THEY PUBLISH IN SCIENCE JOURNALS! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
+Zaki Aminu Your ONLY strategy here is to BLOW UP ALL THE BRIDGES FOR LOGICAL COMMUNICATION so that NOTHING from MY side can reach you! If there's no logical communication (or worse, bad logical communication) coming from your side, it's only sensible that I demolish those bridges and construct new ones. I'll get to you eventually. Just you wait. YOU HAVE NO OTHER HOPE of surviving in this intellectual battle! What intellectual battle? I'm arguing against Zaki the Stubborn Jackass who thinks his random farts and braying are the best thing since Einstein's work. This is just NONSENSE! The perfect sentence to describe your choice of words. ^_^ You're having a discussion WITH YOURSELF: You have your say and then MAKE UP what want to believe I've said and REFUSE to listen to what I've actually said! It's PURE SELF-DELUSION! If you were truly ignorant of what I was explaining to you, I would pity your self-serving false accusation here. But the fact of the mater is, you showed your poor command of the English language right then and there, I stuck your face in it like a dog having his face stuck in the mess he made on the living room carpet, and now you're feverishly working to say the mess is my fault. Quit whining like a temperamental little brat and own up to your mistakes like a mature adult. Or is that beneath you? Ugh! BORING! I see all you're trying to do now is BORE ME TO DEATH, eh? Don't be a silly and whiny little Muslim. You're too stupid to be bored to death.^_^
+mikecucuk "...."Your ONLY strategy here is to BLOW UP ALL THE BRIDGES FOR LOGICAL COMMUNICATION so that NOTHING from MY side can reach you!" If there's no logical communication (or worse, bad logical communication) coming from your side, it's only sensible that I demolish those bridges and construct new ones. I'll get to you eventually. Just you wait....." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Would you care to explain what you MEAN by "BAD LOGICAL COMMUNICATION" - or is that an atheist thing? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....."YOU HAVE NO OTHER HOPE of surviving in this intellectual battle!" What intellectual battle? I'm arguing against Zaki the Stubborn Jackass who thinks his random farts and braying are the best thing since Einstein's work....." Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! And that is NOT AN INTELLECTUAL BATTLE FOR YOU? Hahahahahahahahahahaha! HOW are you fighting it then - WITH ATHEISTIC GUT FEELING? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...See? This is what I mean about your abysmal reading comprehension. When you were talking about "people checking it out for themselves", the "it" in that sentence was to the dictionary definitions of those words (don't lie to me and say you weren't), and when I said "You not being one of those people", I was including you amongst those people going to check out the dictionary definitions of those words (don't lie and say that that's not what I meant). The fact that I'm explaining this to you right now is undeniable evidence of your abysmal reading comprehension....." This is just JUMBLED UP NONSENSE! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "The perfect sentence to describe your choice of words. ^_^" Well, you're entitled to your PRIVATE OPINIONS - BUT WHY SHOULD OTHERS SHARE IT? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."You're having a discussion WITH YOURSELF: You have your say and then MAKE UP what want to believe I've said and REFUSE to listen to what I've actually said! It's PURE SELF-DELUSION! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!" If you were truly ignorant of what I was explaining to you, I would pity your self-serving false accusation here....." Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! You've made it VERY CLEAR that you REFUSE to CLARIFY your comments to me, haven't you? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...But the fact of the mater is, you showed your poor command of the English language right then and there, I stuck your face in it like a dog having his face stuck in the mess he made on the living room carpet, and now you're feverishly working to say the mess is my fault. Quit whining like a temperamental little brat and own up to your mistakes like a mature adult. Or is that beneath you?..." Ugh! BORING! I see all you're trying to do now is BORE ME TO DEATH, eh? ".....Don't be a silly and whiny little Muslim. You're too stupid to be bored to death.^_^..." BEST JUST LET THE RECORD SPEAK FOR ITSELF, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Haekel’s faked embryonic drawings and the evolved peppered moths of Great Britain are still in school text books today, so much for teaching true facts to kids but we must continue the lies so Drawliest can keep their alter candles burning. The last big evolution fraud was the Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis that was published in National Geographic a few years ago and later had to recant when real scientist looked at the data and found the fraud, Piltdown man II anyone.
I guess I just don't understand why America is the epicenter for the denial of evolution thing. It seems to be exclusive to the US, so my question is "why?". What happened in American history that led to this?
Watching Zaki flail and fail is rather entertaining.
+ozowen "Watching Zaki flail and fail is rather entertaining." NO MORE WHINING then, eh ATHEIST? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
This is why I never take him seriously
+mikecucuk "...."WHAT is the basis of that "happiness" - GIVEN YOU HAVE NO FUTURE, DON'T KNOW YOUR PAST, AND ARE NOT SURE OF YOUR PRESENT?" You couldn't be more wrong on all of those counts. You just want me to be as miserable, warped, and frustrated as you are, because you know that misery loves company. You and your toxic assumptions have no effect on my pure and untainted happiness! LOL ^_^...." Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Well, you're entitled to you PRETENCE at being happy - WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU GOT? YOU'LL SOON BE MANURE - MAYBE TOMORROW! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....."That's like saying you CHOOSE TO NOT BE HUNGRY AND THIRSTY! Do you REALLY think that will nourish your body?" So you're saying that it's more preferable to be bitter and victimized your whole life than it is to be happy? You and your kooky false equivocations! You can't mine for comedy gold this pure in the real world! LOL XD..." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! YOU CAN'T BE HAPPY SIMPLY BY SAYING YOU CHOOSE TO BE HAPPY! YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR YOU TO BE HAPPY! And, if you only have a future as MANURE to look forward to, HOW CAN THAT BE A SOURCE OF HAPPINESS FOR ANYONE? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....."YOU'RE JUST DELUDING YOURSELF, aren't you? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!" So choosing to be happy instead of bitter is a form of self-delusion to you? Well, good luck with getting others to fall for that line of bullshit. You can't touch my happiness...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! PRETENDING that a future as MANURE does not await you as an atheist is SELF-DELUSION, is it not? OR DOES THE IDEA OF THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."Happiness is SOMETHING YOU CAN OBTAIN - PROVIDING YOU SEEK IT IN THE RIGHT WAY; NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN PRODUCE WITH IMAGINATION!" That may be true for you, but not everyone shares your version of happiness. You can't appreciate that fact, so you piss on other people's happiness and say that it isn't real happiness; i.e. it's not your idea of happiness they share, which is totally selfish of you. It's like that song goes: Here come bad news talking this and that, yeah, Well, give me all you got, and don't hold it back, yeah, Well, I should probably warn you I'll be just fine, yeah, No offense to you, don't waste your time Here's why Because I'm happy...." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! You're just trying to soothe the PAIN of KNOWING that you'll SOON BE MANURE, aren't you? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...."THAT'S JUST SELF-DELUSION - SIMILAR to the "happiness" of ingesting NARCOTICS!" You're laboring under the delusion that happiness is a universal mold that everyone can be pounded into, but that's not how it happened for me. And if you're resigned to believe that choosing happiness is equivalent to choosing narcotics, then you deserve to be miserable and bitter, and I don't want your negativity poisoning my happiness. You can just take it somewhere else where others can pat you on the back and validate your ugly emotions, but not here. Shoo, fly. ^_^" Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! If you were TRULY happy, it would NOT be something that could be endangered by what others say, could it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
+Zaki Aminu Well, you're entitled to you PRETENCE at being happy - WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU GOT? YOU'LL SOON BE MANURE - MAYBE TOMORROW! My happiness isn't a pretense, so this argument doesn't apply. Besides, I'm gonna outlive you and your misery-mongering anyway, so you can take your doom-and-gloom pronouncements and shove 'em where the sun don't shine. LOL XD YOU CAN'T BE HAPPY SIMPLY BY SAYING YOU CHOOSE TO BE HAPPY! So in your world, no one is allowed to have a set-point of happiness by their own edict? Good thing I don't live in your world; you don't give humanity enough credit. LOL XD YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR YOU TO BE HAPPY! Is that why you reply to total strangers every day? Because deep down, you're convinced that you're doing what is necessary for you to be happy? Hey, whatever makes you happy, Zaki. But do realize that your attempts to piss on my happiness are in vain. And, if you only have a future as MANURE to look forward to, HOW CAN THAT BE A SOURCE OF HAPPINESS FOR ANYONE? I'd be a far better source of happiness than you are, because unlike you, I choose to minimize pain, suffering, and misery whenever and wherever I can. Your lack of creativity and credit for human endeavor is your fault, not mine. :P PRETENDING that a future as MANURE does not await you as an atheist is SELF-DELUSION, is it not? This is too funny. The guy who thinks that he's going to be alive after he dies in an eternal paradise and watch his enemies be tortured in an eternal furnace is calling me the deluded one. I laugh at your feeble attempts to piss on my present happiness. LOL XD OR DOES THE IDEA OF THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY? I don't care about what I become after I die. I won't be around to worry about it. I'm happy right now; that's all that matters here. You're just trying to soothe the PAIN of KNOWING that you'll SOON BE MANURE, aren't you? Your thinly-veiled attempt to mischaracterize my happiness by equivocating it to an anesthetic it isn't working. But I can see you're trying to soothe the internal pain of knowing that your tactics are ineffective against me. If you were TRULY happy, it would NOT be something that could be endangered by what others say, could it? My happiness isn't endangered by your toxic assumptions and false equivocations, so you can drop the armchair psychology. Likewise, I can easily turn it on you. If you were truly happy, you wouldn't be feverishly working to make others feel unhappy by trick them into thinking that their happiness isn't real. Why do you bother, anyway? Unless, of course, you were unhappy. ;)
every time you say boring you get a camel facial
This is big thinking?  Nye practically gushes over Evolution like it is the mother of Science, the fountain of all knowledge, the Queen of all logic and rationale, the gateway to future scientific discoveries.  Whatever.  It's a branch of Biology that is rarely if ever used in the other branches of science.  It certainly isn't needed to understand the other sciences.  I took university General Biology, General Chemistry, Microbiology, Organic Chemistry, Anatomy and Physiology, Physics and never, ever had to fall back on the Theory of Evolution to understand any of them.  This is much ado about nothing.  News Flash, Bill, millions of Christians who believe in God and Creation are lawyers, doctors, engineers, scientists, judges, professors, architects, mathematicians, etc.  In fact, some have even won Nobel Prizes (Of all the Nobel Laureates that have been honored, 65.4% are Christian).   More atheist nonsense.  
Bill nye is about as LAME as a mechanical engineer can be.  "hey everyone im a science guy" it sounds good to the kids on saturday mornings.  Any of you people that listen to this guy better do a lot of studying  afterward. Because the more you listen to him the stupider you will become. just so you know Bill Nye is NOT a scientist!  some T.V. producer thought he looked  like the right kind of nerd so he put his dumb ass on the show. And all you  people listen to this retard  like he knows what he is talking about.  Jeez you're all so gullible.
+Fallible Fiend  Jeez I cant believe you responded to  that. But O.k. What did they do to you? I'm thinking it was  your mother,,,, did she dress you in girls clothing when you were young? I can see a little fallible fiend dressed in a leotard and a tutu, following  his mommy around while she does the grocery shopping.  I want to tell you it's not your fault. IT"S>>>>>>NOT>>>>YOUR>>>>FAULT!  turn the page man. 
+shecky gagstein maybe you can use your time to study actual science
Bill nye is with the illuminati
this aint no damn school for bullshit grammar it the damn fucking internet
+xxSTEELSICKNESSxx And because you're not getting graded for it, you allow your laziness to get the better of your writing, just like you allow your laziness get the better of reading a "long ass speech" and more importantly, just like you allow your laziness to accept an easy answer that includes sky wizardry in place of the more difficult task of actually thinking scientifically. I thought so...
i used to like bill nye. young earth creationism is easy to prove bill
+Nicholas Christie-Blick What's worse is that they never support their claim with actual data. They try to present "problems" as if it made their model true.
+Atharkas Well some YECs do try to support their claims with data. The difficulty with the assertion that they are two different interpretations of the same data – based upon different assumptions or worldviews – is that creationist assumptions are demonstrably not true. Creationists need to ignore virtually everything that is known because it conflicts with their worldview. Truly, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Ashamed Mr Nye is so narrow minded he doesn't believe those who have views that differ from him can be upstanding critical thinking members of society. Probably shocks him when or if he ever meets those like me who have advanced scientific degrees but do not believe science has all the answers.
Bill Nye is a liberal Democrat.  So....... Another attack on religion by the left......diversity is great until liberals come across people with ideas outside their utopia.    Evolution is currently just a theory.  A theory with holes that get a pass.......
+Lee Walter You are wrong on all counts.
+Lee Walter You: Many debate the concept of theory and fact Me: Curiously, you didn't specify many "what". If by "many", you mean "people", I would agree with you (especially because that would include the scientifically illiterate). If by "many" you mean "scientists" then you are either completely wrong, or you have a very loose interpretation of the word "scientist".
I used to like Bill Nye. It's a shame that he let go of logic. No evidence exists for evolution. No one has lived long enough to prove it. Science makes mistakes all the time. The KJV of the Bible hasn't changed in hundreds of years. People continue to dilute and fictionalize the truth. Evolutionist say that 8000 animals could not fit in Noah's ark and then expect us to believe that everything in existence to include 8000 animals could fit in a singularity.
+Martin Koch Snelling is a complete CHARLATAN who worked as a 'legitimate' geologist, often writing about mulit-million year old formations... AND at the same time moonlighting as a Young Earth Creationist claiming the Earth to be 6,000 years old and making money selling bullshit DVDs and books to creationist retards!
+Nicholas Christie-Blick  Well, that's conscious dishonesty then.
I love Bill Nye. He is so funny. Science cannot understand nor answer questions about our existence so when another idea id bought fourth that science cannot understand, quantify, measure, or see, it must be wrong. Why not leave room for both ideas?
FUNNY......I see the godless nitwits cracking on home schooling yet home schooled kids outscore public school kids by like 85 to 50 on standardized tests..... either home schooling is best OR godless nitwits want everyone to be as stupid as they are. any idea on why that is? 
+ExtantFrodo2 yeah....plus u forgot starving people to death....all things atheists have done. 
+badvagirl I was talking about things theists have done. You're just that ignorant and prejudiced to not notice. Shame on you.     Atheism is the belief that a "nothing" doesn't deserve acknowledgment as a "something". Nothing more, nothing less. I guess you could say our allegiance is to sanity, rationality and integrity. Since this is the opposite of the biblical god, we must be satanists.     Atheists aren't a GROUP. They are simply those people who, in their resolve to find the truth, do not accept lurid claims which are unsupported by any evidence as anything other than POTENTIALLY valid PENDING actual evidence that supports the claim. That this also happens to extend to the "god" claim has people like you putting the label of atheist on them. We're "avampireists" as well, right?     Actually atheism has plenty to offer, intellectual integrity, rationality, freedom from fear, freedom from the cognitive dissonance that plagues theists, freedom to spend the time you devoted to religion more productively, freedom to make moral judgments & laws based on fairness & what is best for society rather than what is written in a magical book, the knowledge that this is your only life & it should be cherished because when you're dead you're dead.     There is frustration and anger because the religious have a stranglehold on the government in most countries. Imagine how you would feel if every politician who ran for office had to profess his belief in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy to get elected. That means that every single politician is either starting out his campaign by lying through his teeth, or (more likely) is a fucking idiot - and these are the people who control where YOUR tax money is spent and what laws YOU will be forced to obey. Or maybe you never stopped to think about that. This is the 21st century and the intelligent people have had ENOUGH of this idiocy. It IS infuriating for good reason. There is no longer any legitimate excuse to be that stupid.     To not believe in god is to know that it falls to us to make the world a better place, we have barely emerged from millenia of barbarism.   
Evolution is not a fact it is a theory. There is tonnes of stuff proving evolution wrong, and scientists, instead of either saying "we dont know" or "maybe we were wrong" instead they make crazy assumptions. Wait until you can actually fix the holes in this absurd theory before stating it as fact. 
+General Shamic They might, but there metabolism would have to  be extremely slow. There are bacteria miles underground which only replicate once every 10,000 years. That's how slow their metabolism is. It's very plausible similar life forms live underground on Mars. If Mars had life once it probably has some remnant somewhere.
I don't subscribe to either creationism or evolution...sorta. It's obvious that most of evolution is fact, but the way it explains the actual beginning itself is what I have a hard time swallowing. The part of the theory that the scientific method can't be applied to. That part of the theory is a shot in the dark. Dinosaur bones explain nothing of how this world came to be, and it knows nothing of what was before the Big Bang. I will never be able to wrap my head around why people can't admit that they just don't know what happened. Yet some people view this as absolute undisputed fact. But the reality is that as science keeps advancing, we'll come up with something better. Until then, it's just philosophy, and kinda weak philosophy at that. Let the QQ begin
+Zaki Aminu "I DO NOT SAY THAT I AM IGNORANT ABOUT ANYTHING THAT I HAVE COMMENTED ON!" Actually you do with every comment which display ignorance Zaki.
Mr. Nye, here is a question for you: 1.) What is the reason, we never saw in the last 100-150 years (since we have good microscopes) when a 1-cell bacterium gained at least 1 more cell and became a 2-cells "healthy bacterium" (able to reproduce 2-cells bacterium)?  Or a virus evolve into a 1-cell bacterium? According to evolutionists, in the last 4 billion years our ancestors had to gain an average 25,000 cells in every single year to become human as we are now (see the calculation below).  My question: ---------------------------------- Calculation for average cell growth per year: Fact: the human body has ~100 trillion cells, (100,000,000,000,000).  According to evolutionists, the first 1-cell bacteria appeared 4 billion years ago (4,000,000,000).  To find out, what was the average cell gains per year to get a human from the 1-cell bacteria, divide the number of cells with the number of years:  100,000,000,000,000 cells / 4,000,000,000 years = 25,000 cell growth per year ------------------------------------ Just a note: If we want to find out how many cell growth needed by evolution to get the biggest dinosaur the "Dreadnoughtus", this number would be more than 2,5-million cell growth per year !!! The weight of the dreadnoughtus by good faith estimate is: 130,000 lb.
+Chocolate Covered Reason ...or "how to be pregnant for longer than a human lifespan!"
Okay, age of the Earth, stars, dinosaurs, etc, has NOTHING to do with evolution. Bill Nye is asking the wrong question. When someone says they don't believe in evolution the question he should ask is "what do you mean by evolution". If by evolution they mean "change over time" and/or mircoevolution (ie adaptation within a type) then they would be wrong because there are plenty of evidence for change over time and adaptation within a type. But by evolution they mean Macroevolution  (ie Neo-Darwinism/molecules to man) then they have every reason to reject that notion of evolution. Macroevolution isn't supported by any evidence empirical or philosophical.  Also, there is difference between creationism and Young Earth Creationism. YEC is not supported science nor is it supported by the Bible. Creationism doesn't reject the age of the Earth or evolution, as Pope Francis said at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences  "The evolution in nature is not opposed to the notion of Creation, because evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve.”
+Owen Atkins You are not any kind of scientist.  You never have been. You never will be.  You are a liar.
+Fallible Fiend Up late today, fat shit? Go have your breakfast; your brain is still dead.
1.4.bill u fool OK both sides here we go! ROUND? I think this is 163363737377373^45564 or something. I go around to universities and I fix analytical equipment. I'm also a christian who believes in the positively charged source of good in this cosmos (God/Creator) who doesn't deceive us and a source of negative charged evil (anit-God/The destroyer). Now I know I am gonna be attacked just for believing in a omnipotent source of good (God/Creator) by a lot of unbelieveing PhD types. My answer to you is don't waste your time on me I'm not trying to convert you to anything i promise, I do believe totally from blind faith that God/The Creator exist and I can't even physically/scientifically prove it to myself let alone you. However, the consequences are far too great for not believing/worshiping a God/Creator that DOES exsist. There are NO PERSONAL consequenses in believing in a God that doesn't exsist, as you believe... I would rather have my bases covered so preemptively PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP ITS FAITH NOT SCIENCE I WOULDN'T CALL HIM GOD IF YOU COULD PROVE SCIENTIFICALLY EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM, I WOULD CALL YOU GOD!! ALSO DON'T PISS ME OFF IF YOU WANT YOUR PANalytical or OTHER BRAND EQUIPMENT TO EVER WORK RIGHT AGAIN MUAHA HA HA.... OF COURSE IM JOKING I HAVE TO EAT ;) (P.s. When i write i refer to God as Him but mean no gender reference! Im not comfortable with IT or he/she either. Humanity/women/men are all included in the image of God) Ok now...my father is a strict six day (24hr. like they are now) creationists. He also holds three masters degrees in math, science, and almost a PhD in chemistry. The man is a genius runs two powerplants, built his own house, taught me how to build mine but I kind of stumped him with this. I am a creationist but don't believe that the test we run in the labs are false and I know that when the results do get skewed because of an equipment malfunction I'm fixing it right! Christians the Earth is older than the 10000 or so years most of you believe and evolutionist the whole universe hasnt been around long enough to radomly sequence DNA let alone this Earth! This has been proven by our best supercomputers! So I finally figured out how to satisfy our equation, though you will still fight me as a Christian, listen up! We bible thumpers use the genealogies of the bible to date the earth. When we get back to Adam ( weather you believe that was one man/ or as in cuneiform = humanity as a whole) we see that he lived 900+ years and was no more. That's were the 10000 year old Earth (give or take) number comes from! Fellow Christians (Evolutionist/Scientist/Historians you may want to pay attention, here I'm about to unite science, the bible, and cuneiform). Adam/humanilty according to ancient text, that scientifically can't be proven right or wrong as myth, was created and was intended to be an eternal being. The bible/cuneiform says had he not sinned he would have lived forever eating of the tree of life. So there is some combination of molecules out there that will yeild this result! This is not a myth why would science be searching for a way to reverse this curse if it was? He was also created stupid/ Neanderthal (the tree of knowledge was forbidden) and when working ratio's = (the knowledge in the tree was forbidden = we were never intended by the creator to be modern man)! When humanity ate/(modified his DNA) he trusted another modern man type creation that impressed him with his wisdom of God but didnt know it was an evil/anti-God. Science can't explain the massive jump in brain size and intelligence we modern women/men enjoy today only because they view these historic cuneiform/biblical text as myths. They can't prove they are myth using the scientific method, but they will go to the grave believing they can. So the fall was instant and so was the physical change in humanity man started to become modern, started aging in years, on the first day the cocktail of the tree of life was taken away. So Adam/humanity was created in the image of (God/primitive man; Gods not too attractive), but without knowledge so to not become one. Now here is the kicker? How long was the first day? Creation wasn't six earth days (for sure) my fellow Christians. On the first day there was evening and morning but no sun or moon. God is light so there was no need for a sun or moon while He enjoyed his creation and we don't know how long He enjoyed it by himself without humans. Day in Hebrew can be translated to era or epoch too. When He left He new that the plants He created needed a lightsource for photosynthesis so then He created the sun and moon this trips a lot of people up. So the scale for the blueprint can't be a 24hr day for sure, it doesn't make it any less miraculous that we are here to believe it took a billion Earth years. For the Creator/ God not one day has aged Him or passed Him since it is still the first day of creation to Him. How long does the scripture say is a day to the Creator?
+GeneticHybrids "he gives man the privilege to not believe" Hmm somehow that exactly the same as Zeus giving us the privilege and freedom to not believe in him. (It's also exactly what we have if no god exists) To proclaim that God allows man free will is little different than proclaiming that a dam allows a river free run, when there is no evidence of any dam. Free will is not the result of a regulatory system which has selected not to regulate. It's the result of there being no regulatory agent in the first place. And that is fully consistent with the evidence.     If something is good it does not ask you to believe in it or suffer eternally. Nor does it let something innocent be killed in order for you to shirk your personal responsibility. In fact that is quite perverted if you think about it. The notion that one can "transfer guilt" from one person to another like money or other things should make people stop in their tracks and go "WTF?", yet this theme is found throughout the biblical texts (from all men inheriting the guilt of Adam and just to prove it they inherit his curse as well) to the animal sacrifices pre-Jesus to the scapegoat Jesus story - this notion is no doubt born of the barbaric notion that "if you can conquer X, then you are better than X!" (if I can conquer an innocent then I too can be better than innocent). See the vile connections stripped of all their raiment?
“In the United States, a widespread theological opposition to Darwin is found mainly among conservative Protestants. Many Orthodox Jews believe that evolution is compatible with the teachings of the Hebrew Bible, and Islamic scholars have, with some exceptions, generally supported the theory.” http://nyti.ms/1zdxqua
Any other hackneyed expressions .Christ died so that u can live, your chpoice. But I did not evolve from pond scum.I was carefully and wonderfully created and so where u.
+Zaki Aminu I think he's blaming predators like you, and you just didn't understand. Never mind, your massive and mature intellect will rise above these hardships, petal.
Think about how inconsistent Nye's comments are.   He admits that the United States is the leading technological society in the world, but it's also the society that "uniquely" defies evolution.  I believe in evolution, but having a segment of society that disagrees with me does not hold back scientific research.  Nye has transformed into a silly little cultural warrior. 
+ExtantFrodo2 Agreed.  But that's precisely what Nye is doing in the video.  I would have preferred him to reference some empirical data demonstrating that America has lost its scientific edge because of religious fundamentalism.    Instead, he offers a meandering, inconsistent perspective, the kind of talking point one sees on cable television. 
+Lester Long "that's precisely what Nye is doing in the video." No, he's not. Bill is not being specific. There is a world of difference between knowing the general trends and trying to specify the differences that would have been if things had been different.
WHY are we still listening to this "Science Guy". He is an embarrassment at this point. Move along. Nothing to see here (except a senile old 'science guy'.)
+Owen Atkins 'This is attested by my eminently scientific posts.' I fucking wish I had saved some of the shit you posted just to show how patently absurd that statement is. I mean, it goes without saying at this point, but still...
Atheists:    "yes we will not question evolution. we will obey it and fight for it.  we will worship Richard dawkins and Charles Darwin with all our mind and body. we are ready to day for you sin"
+director Hey, Crazy. How tight is that tinfoil hat around your head? Do yourself and the ones you love and care about a favor and get yourself checked into a mental institution ASAP. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you're too insensate to know it.
ok you know what? i am not gone spend my time anymore. i admire your faith for believing in big bang and evolution.
The hypocrisy is almost laughable if it weren't so dangerously serious. Evolution is fact while creationism is essentially a delusion? Quit with the lies already, neither one is factually established. Call them what they are, religious beliefs. As far as keeping my kids away from evolution is concerned? As long as I can resist rest assured I will. I'm not about to let a bunch of liars pretend to be the sole possessor of scientific facts. I at least acknowledge the nature of both beliefs.
+Bitter Pill 'Why am I alive? Where did everything come from? What happens after I die? Is there a God?' For most of those answers we have rather simple ones. We don't attempt to add anymore onto it than what we can show is true. It becomes pointless after 'what we can show is true' because those opinions just get lumped in with the opinions of every other person on the planet and it goes nowhere. It's a pointless subject. This isn't the issue, though. The issue here is that you reject science that you don't understand (which in and of itself is fine), but you jump the shark when you replace science you don't understand with Creationist propaganda that doesn't make any sense. 'I'm sorry you all believe these things but you've got the right to your thoughts and the way you live this life.' 'Belief' isn't the issue here either. We've studied the subject or aspects of the subject. You're parroting the words of people who haven't done any research and therefore haven't done any research yourself. You've made claims that we've seen on here a thousand times that are backed up by the same misrepresentation a thousand times. I'd give my right hand for an original creationist argument (that makes sense) at this point. I'd started arguing this stuff years ago and, after a few months, I just saw the same thing over and over and over again. The same misrepresentation and lies that I can show are both repeated Ad Nauseum and defended against all reason. If you have to lie about the opposing, how can you possible be in the right? 'How can ceasing to exist after a life filled with loving our children, parents, siblings, and so on be acceptable?' No matter what, we die. That's a given. Pretending that there is an eternity afterward changes nothing. You and I will both die eventually. That doesn't mean we shouldn't live and enjoy what we have 'today' since 'today' is all we have.
I am a mechanical engineer, and so strongly believe in physics and science in general. I trust the evidence on evolution, and agree that evolution is a logical conclusion. I believe in evolution. However, I am also strongly religious, and believe in God's involvement in the creation of the world, as I also have experienced a great deal of evidence for God's hand in the world, including its creation. Those who think Creationism must be done without evolution will not accept the evidence showing evolution, just as evolutionists who think God cannot be involved in a structured, scientific creation will also not accept evidence of God. Creationism does not have to exclude evolution, and indeed the two enrich each other, and strengthen each other. When I studied microbiology (as a general college requirement), I saw evidence of an intelligent Creator all over the place, from how DNA is structured to how microRNA can fight viral infection and regulate genes and everywhere in between. It's unfortunate that many make it a crusade to abolish Creationism and religion just because many people misunderstand Creationism, and attempt to remove logic and reason from their belief.
+jordana309 "poetic in nature" Yes, I'm familiar with that escape clause. It's right up there with "Not in context" and "It's just a metaphor". "Neither of you have yet addressed any of the additional revelation and books of scripture" What they have to say is as revisionist as the gospels and the acts and the letters. Ignoring them is easy peasy. "you know where to find all the verses that appear to counter any given claim about spiritual matters." Which you resolutely ignore. "Just as scientists take the full body of literature and look for truth" Sorry, but those are not scientists. "The only true source of spiritual knowledge is direct, individual revelation through the Spirit." Yup, and it's indistinguishable from mental delusion. "The Bible and other scripture often record how God has worked with others"   Pffft. You say this despite our having demonstrated this is false. "I have then come back to explain an aspect of how I know differently" Compound delusions are still delusions. "simply flinging mud" That would be you. Reread your post and see how 95% of it is content free (other than discussing our discussions) "My original claim is that one can carefully conduct an experiment to determine the validity of religious claims"     ...and after you provided much detail we explained how they were invalid. Your assertion they were valid was based on your feelings. "I have laid out the requirements and conditions of the experiment, namely that one must be open to the existence of God"   Mhmm, willingness to change is certainly key. Ask any psychiatrist. Proving the results have anything to do with gods or holy spirits is another matter entirely.
+jordana309 "The role of the spirit is to testify of truth." Waaaaaaaaaaaait! Before saying what the role of that spirit is, you first need to explain what it is and demonstrate it exist. "Just as scientists take the full body of literature and look for truth" No, they only look at empirical evidences. Hence why "spirits/djins/gods" are not even considered as a serious hypothesis for anything. "The Holy Ghost communicates directly with our spirits" So now there is a ghost in the mix... Again, you are obligated to demonstrate it exist before saying what it can do...and we have spirits now? Are we shaman or necromancers? Or do you mean spirits as it is sometime used in the english language for alcohol?
this guy is the biggest moron today, I use to respect him, now I dont... do I understand evolution, yes. is it theory? YES its not fact you moron... unless you can prove it, its not fact... there is a difference between macro and micro evolution and should be stated as such. at least I am willing to admit my faith is THEORY!
+Zaki Aminu "All you do is make bald assertions without proof to back it up!" Oh my-- well, non-existent god, your hypocrisy is astounding. We have been giving you recourses and links to cold, hard evidence for evolution and you have provided us with NOTHING, YOU PEICE OF SHIT. I know it isn't nice to mess around with and 'bully' mentally handicapped people, but I don't really care right now. Give us some evidence. You have provided nothing.  You're just going to say "well, look at the Bible, go read that and find proof!" A book written 2,000 years ago by Bronze Age farmers is not a credible source for information. If you want to use a book as proof of something, go debate for the existence of Tom Sawyer or Sauron or something. PURE DRIVEL.
+Matthew Weigel "..."All you do is make bald assertions without proof to back it up!" Oh my-- well, non-existent god, your hypocrisy is astounding. We have been giving you recourses and links to cold, hard evidence for evolution and you have provided us with NOTHING, YOU PEICE OF SHIT....." Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ABUSE and BUFFOONERY won't help your situation, will it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "...I know it isn't nice to mess around with and 'bully' mentally handicapped people, but I don't really care right now. Give us some evidence. You have provided nothing...." Hahahahahahahahahaha! WHY do you even need ANYTHING since you believe that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS and that EVENTS CAN OCCUR WITHOUT CAUSATION? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! "....You're just going to say "well, look at the Bible, go read that and find proof!"...." NO, I'M NOT! That's the trouble with atheists: THEY DON'T LISTEN and prefer to MAKE UP THINGS IN THEIR HEAD WHICH THEY THEN DELUDE THEMSELVES THEY HEARD AND SAW! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ".....A book written 2,000 years ago by Bronze Age farmers is not a credible source for information....." Hahahahahahahahahaha! You prefer one written by Dawkins simply because he's an ATHEIST and BELIEVES SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS, eh? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!  "....If you want to use a book as proof of something, go debate for the existence of Tom Sawyer or Sauron or something. PURE DRIVEL." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! BUT DIDN'T YOUR SO-CALLED "evidence" come from things you read in - BOOKS? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I proved the Mars scar and x-flares are produced in the same way....double helix energy travel. All predicted ...all confirmed by an x-flare....prediction of filaments, halo's and x-flares successfully anticipated and confirmed. No other man has done this as they do not understand energy flow. Conclusive proof is my transparent overlay of an x-flare over the Mars scar...they are identical down to the last flash...proving an energy blast made in the same way an x-flare is made, scarred Mars. all predicted by electrical double helix energy flow ...... and what do you know?...God showed me the only passage in the bible where it is coming from his hand ... Habakkuk 3:4......" A two pronged lightning bolt/ two rays/ two horns are coming from Gods hand, and there is where his power is hidden.." Not any more. God showed me in visions how energy travels and how the universe was built. haha   God wins and beats science with science. I have a constructed atom with two orbitals that has true interlinking waves based on double helix energy flow. Science has an "equation" to show how waves interlink...so you tell me.....which is the truth? An atom that has interlinking waves by equation..(which is magic if you cannot construct it..:) or A constructed atom that ACTUALLY  gives off interlinked waves? I believe in what I see and not some hocus pocus. Actual physical construction beats non existence . Take heed and rejoice brothers and sisters...the small book is actually OPEN... all on video on my youtube channel. Thank You Lord Amen....:)
+Scientific Lee No, you didn't. It was clearly demonstrated that you did not. YOu name callers aren't very funny. More like sad.
I don't believe in a God I believe more in Spirituality which means I believe in evolution but I also believe in Chakras and Spirit
haha  bill nye  DOESN'T think  temperature can  change the p.s.i. in a pressurized ball?    WHAT? he is on the news insisting the only way to increase pressure is to pump it up, or to decrease pressure is to let the air out,    bill nye is a clown!   WOW, I wonder what else  he doesn't understand?????   maybe the origin of life??? 
+ExtantFrodo2 ah yes, Hitler burned those books, I forgot about that. I wonder if  mao tse tung, or stalin burned their copies? plus if you move to Iran you will realize that the holocaust never happened at all. history revisionism is fun!    
+shecky gagstein Yes apparently it is. Do you remember how the clergy were abusing their power? How they were in bed with the feudal lords and land barons off the backs of the poor? The brainwash techniques and fear tactics employed to get their congregations to fight the very people who were trying to liberate them? No, I don't suppose you do.
I especially like when he basically states that anyone who doesn't believe in the theory of evolution, as it currently stands, is unable to become an "engineer" (around 2:00-2:07).  While I realize that "engineering" covers a multitude of disciplines, I wish Bill Nye would explain how failing to believe in the theory of evolution makes people unable to add, calculate wind loads, assemble electronic circuits, mix chemicals, write equations or perform other tasks related to "engineering".
+Atharkas I raise this only in response to the 'lists of scientists' strategy. There may be individuals of uncertain qualifications and expertise who hold certain views. There is not in fact any scientific basis for the existence of a god or gods or for divine intervention of any kind in the natural world.
+Barry Rudesill "The day that we do not call out inconsistencies in a proposition is the day when we have a religious system instead of a scientific one." Totally agree. I disagree with your belief that the debate would be "fun" if the personal abuse and name-calling was dropped, I try to imaginative in my ridicule, resurrecting words I haven't used since my schooldays 40+ years ago; dolt, buffoon, lackwit etc. :-)
So... The big bang (beginning of the universe) was just disproved. I'm wondering what the flak would be from you guys. - EDIT: And if you guys don't believe it; google BICEP2
A scientific theory is the explanation of natural phenomena using the various collected evidences and observations. The big bang certainly did happen. However, it is explained by the big bang theory. Also, like this, evolution is explained by evolution theory, aka the theory of evolution. Evolution itself is a biological process. Furthermore, cosmology has nothing to do with evolution theory, and vise versa. So why you even posted this is beyond me. If you were to do a simple Google search for scientific terms and their definitions. We would not be here.
+richard mcdaniel Aight, sorry for the trouble then. XD As you could tell I know I'm wrong but people keep posting their comments.. I'm debating with myself rather or not to lock my comment or delete it entirely.
PARENTS:  There are as many scientists that support Creationism as not.  Let's throw that out there first. Many athiest scientists have changed their views  BECAUSE empirical evidence doesn't support Darwinism - do a little research, just a little!!  THEN make up your mind, ok?  There's plenty to find!  Promise!!  Don't listen to this bad man who puts on the act of a "hapless scholar, concerned for mankind,"  for HE would be presenting you both sides if he were sincere.  He would suggest you do your own research online, library, etc - and ask you to make up your OWN mind.  What he does herein goes against any ethical, decent and/or honest principles in science, the honor of transparency (when you have nothing to hide) and/or preserver of mankind!   He has no right to tell you how to live and raise your children - - only to present all the evidence, all the sides - and allow you to choose!!
hard to tell if you are just being a poe but there is not just as many scientists that believe in creationism as not. a quick looks you say? ok  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution did it and found out that you were lying through your teeth and there is only two possibilities. either you really  are that ignorant or you know you are wrong and yet lie anyway to propagate some scummy anti science agenda. either way it paints you as a giant douche bag
I suggest you look up Project Stephen. There are around 1,000 scientists who support creationism. (Most not in the relevant disciplines). There are over 1,000 scientists whose name is Steve or a direct variant of Steve who have registered for the Project Stephen who accept evolution. The project limits its membership to scientists who have a Steve variant name only and who accept evolution. If you, for example, did the same to creationism accepting scientists then you'd have around 5 members..... Just saying.
Does anyone see a problem with believing in evolution and creationism?
+Knewclear If you imagine the time scale of just Earth and not the universe as a year long period then Homo sapiens have appeared a few seconds before midnight on December 31st. Why did the dinosaurs exist for well over a hundred million years before any mammals even appeared, to think that this universe was created for us and our mere speck of an existence is ludicrous at best. 
Maybe it isn't appropriate, but that doesn't mean we couldn't tell the children about the possibility of the existence of a Creator. I don't think we should give them a strictly atheistic education, but let them choose what to believe. We can also tell them that maybe God made evolution happen.
We are not saying that kids can't learn both. We are saying that God and religion should stay out of the science class room. Along with not being used as public policy or anything else outside of what religion should only be involved.
I think encouraging people to take the 7 days of creation as a Metaphor would be better as the Bible is full of Metaphors and who is to say that the 7 days of creation are just a Metaphor for God caused everything to happen. but again everyone is allowed their opinions and believes, btw even Charles Darwin believed there was a God he just didn't agree with creationism. fun fact :)
+jayjayx5x1 You should look up quote mining and its inherent flaws as a valid argument, not only do you state two different page numbers but you totally miss the point of what Mr Darwin is talking about. Page 86 sums up with "I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation. In fact that many *false religions* have spread over large portions of the Earth like wild-fire had some weight with me." When you read on from your quote mine he is talking about his younger days up till the time he wrote "On the Origin of Species", I'll paraphrase for clarity, "gradually with many fluctuations become weaker. (his religiosity) But then arises the doubt." (of religion) Talking of the mind of man, "developed from a mind as low as that possessed by the lowest animal," he then mentions childhood brainwashing by religion and its stubbornness against cure, "as for a monkey to throw off its instinctive fear and hatred of a snake." Charles Darwin clearly says that he disbelieves in Christianity and calls it a false religion that uses childhood indoctrination to stupefy its victims. A pretty good summary of you there, a victim of religion.
+Gary Bell  i don't care. you obviously ignore fact as i gave you an undeniable and you called it false and made up so as far as I'm concerned you are either incredibly stupid or a troll sooo STFU this is my last response to you. p.s. I would rather have a conversation with Stalin than you as it would actually be interesting and i wouldn't be talking to someone who had the same intelligence as a potato.
My christian friend doesn't believe in gravity
+Owen Atkins Translation: "Duh, I dont's know how gravity or complex systems work, so uh... Goddunit!" You walking waste of carbon.
life is less complicated without evolution. God is the creator of everything. not a random bang of dirt that just exploded and oh all of these people come out of it cause that totally makes sense! Way to go! Cause were just all closely related to this one ancestor. Humans and fish totally have the same ancestors! lol great theory!
+okayy gurl You: then a piece of dirt that just banged and oh majic happened. People got thrown out of it. I mean like if you look at the human body, all of these super technical organs, bones, cells and etc. I can't stand to think someone could even have a doubt about a god. Something had to create us. Me: As opposed to the creation myth, i.e. then an old, white, bearded dude just snapped his fingers and majic happened. People got made out of plain dirt and ribs. I mean like if you look at the human body, all of these super technical organs, bones, cells and etc. that I find so difficult to understand so I invoke the supernatural. I can't stand to think someone could even have a doubt about a god and because this idea is unpleasant to me, it means that some old, white, bearded dude has to exist. Something had to create us - I find it so personally incredulous that I'll accept any myth over uncertainty. You: I don't think I cane from plain dirt. Me: This one deserves a response on it's own. In fact, even your creation myth says that Adam was made of dirt. So - yes you did come from dirt.
+okayy gurl ". I can't stand to think someone could even have a doubt about a god. Something had to create us." If we are so complex we had to be made by something even more complex, then how did that thing come about without something even more complex? In the end, you worship an atheist because god doesn't believe he was created by a god. Wouldn't his creator be able to fool god into thinking he was top god?
Nature does not jump. Darwin hinself relinquished his own theory of evolution.
+DarwinsFriend Darwin also studied Paley's Natural Theology which is an argument for divine design in nature but he was too honest to settle for such obvious fraudulent theology. 
So you're telling me something came from nothing? I'm pretty sure there needs to be something existing for something to be the final result(that's the weirdest sentence I've ever made). So there needs to be something that can create things. No, creating does not mean making a plate out of clay. No, creating does not mean making grilled cheese from bread and cheese. Creation is literally poof now we have a lamp or poof now we have a parrot. For the world to have started, there have been something to make something up out of thin air, but what would have created the creator? So ultimately, that creator must be OUTSIDE OF TIME to create also, time. Sounds a lot like God to me.
Science is something about which fake Atkins thinks he can know everything worth knowing by browsing a few old creationist websites. Sad, that. His side of any debate exchange amounts to 1. Copy-paste 2. flat denial of counterarguments, mainstream science etc. 3. gratuitous insults, slurs and profanity.
The fact is that creationism and evolution can/do co-exist. They don't contradict each other at all.
+Robert Smith "I did no such thing" Why not? You should have gotten his permission before rewriting his book.
WE NEED them for OUR causes. I hate this jew.
+Owen Atkins Go find another gay lover for yourself. Maybe then you won't be so nasty to everybody.
Wow, Bill is actually insinuating that we need to get rid of all of these people who don't agree with him, that parents should not let their children be like them because we need engineers etc.  Bill, look at the facts.   Most of the great scientists of the past that made great discoveries were deists.  They were creationists and they came up with new discoveries because they studied the world and tried to explain what they could see and measure.  What prevents any creationist from becoming a great engineer?  And what does radioactivity have to do with creationism?  Everyone believes in radioactivity because it is observable and measurable...real science.  Evolution is the least measurable and observable idea in all of science, yet you call it the most fundamental idea in all of biology.  Tell that to Greggor Mendall (creationist) and most of the other breakthrough scientists of the past.
+ExtantFrodo2 This is at least in part true. There was also a close relationship between fledgling science, the professions (medicine in particular) and theology (training for the ministry). Science was never about getting rid of God. It was about understanding the natural world. A subset of contemporary scientists maintain some kind of religious beliefs, at least in part because religious mythology pervades most cultures. Scientists are human too. What has changed in recent decades is that it has become clear that much of what people actually believe is contradicted by empirical evidence. Creationism is low-hanging fruit. The implications of science for religion are substantially broader.
+ExtantFrodo2 I know, but given the time frame, it's understandable if many of them truly did hold the beliefs.
there are many fors and against evolution and creation. I was speaking to a friend of mine just on this subject. first of all evolution is only just a theory don't be goofed in believing it is fact period. I believe the evolution theory and I am a christian. the bible doesn't rule the theory out ether. the 7 day theory on creation is massively misinterpreted due to quantum mechanics and the fact that at the time of scripture time was very differently interpreted back then. you only have to view the myan calendar to see that. but the thing that goes against evolution is the Entropy law. it says that everything decays over time so in that case how can things evolve if they are designed to die. my answer to this is simple adaptations are handed down to the next generation and over time a change in kind occurs. 
+lordlandraid It has to do with the profession.  They deal with building and designing things, so clearly they should know better than anyone when something is designed, right? No, no that is not right. Also, almost every real scientist out there doesn't agree with them, so basically all they have are engineers.
Just believe in God, Jesus Christ, and the Catholic Church. Life isn't always about this and that, but it is about faith in God, and his Church, the Catholic Church.
+phuoc thuan The trouble is, you are telling me that there's an orange on the table but I look and I can't see it. I try to feel around for it but I can't touch it. I try to sense the smell of citrus but I can't smell it. I compare the weight of the table with the weight I had measured previously and the weight has not changed. I don't accept other people's claims of invisible and intangible oranges even if you do.
F##k bill nye evolution is s#it!!I'm a true Christian and I worship the Lord Jesus Christ and I KNOW that evolution is fake as h#ll!!anyone who doesn't follow and worship the Lord will go some where, and that somewhere is a horrible place and that place is "he'll"!!!!!!Worship while you can the world is freaked up right now!!!! And I pray to God that everyone who is reading this will worship you great Lord!! :-)
+Jonah Sechrist I.e. you think your religion and your affiliation with it are immune to criticism. Well, you're in for a disappointment. Your religion isn't immune to criticism.
...Uhmm..... Always at it.. Trying to.. /so say is that so?/ Is that so called pwnd friend of yours eternally pwnd?  Answer! It's primordial to me to know! What numero# is this of? ..For to say; if we or I place a mouse on a. Mouse thread mill; those mouse thread mills tend to l00k like the #0. I do explain this because the NUMBER #0 destroys BillNye's round-Table eyes of that prime-MoRe-DIAL of him trying to DIAL that #; come and GUESS what numbers his fingers aren't Dial'uhLing in order for the Orb to light the scene, orb/star/thy Kronos empowered beam root threshold eNabler... Thee root of that pulled out apple branched upon a trunk; hence, surface exploit; hence,                01  001  1000 010101 001 Numbers don't hide/devise, they stand as is. In the forseen does One  of us trust; hence, (#1) sovereignty exploit. Keen eye
+Gary Bell Well Ghary I'm being there in the future. 
+Gary Bell So are you coming or what Gary? You and me Gary, we'll make movies. It's all in the 777. >....You see Gary I've read your dish, you're a fighter, you're in. Remember Peter Van, you ghh ghh ghh Gary make me think; why win if winning illuminates? -------------->777 ;))
If inorganic matter has inherent properties in order to self organize into life, overcoming the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and other naturalistic forces against it, at least some of the many stages required to accomplish it should be observable.  Many failures should be observable for any one success, all the way from single cells up to mammals. Of the estimated 2,000,000 minimum remaining species today which are undergoing environmental adaptive pressures to maintain survival (a big inducement for evolution) why does extinction prevail and not evolutionary change as in newly introduced beneficial genotypes instead of just variations in phenotypical expressions already coded for in the DNA? Such beneficial DNA blueprinting new organs and appendages is only found in the minds of those not wanting to retain God in their knowledge.
+The Celestial Coffeepot I one read an account of a lighthouse keeper who brought a house cat to keep him company on the island that housed the lighthouse. On the island was a small colony of flightless birds. I say was because that one cat hunted and killed every last one.
+The Celestial Coffeepot Yeah, that's the reason I was being a dick right out of the starting gate.
Atheists say the universe came from nothing.they say the earth took billions of years to naturally become what it is today.that's like saying a tornado can blow through a junkyard and produce a functioning 747 air liner.so it could happenso technically they could be right
+Owen Atkins And to think that evolution produced a full-blown, pedal-to-the-metal ignoramus like yourself. You can take your bare assertions and insults and shove 'em up your fat rectum.
I have seen so many Atheists misinterpret radical fundamentalism as the acts of God, and Christians miss a huge message of Christ: Love your neighbor as yourself. First, man has religion, and a simple analysis of history shows that human beings are flawed creatures. So to say God is flawed because human beings are flawed is ridiculous. And on the other side, to say that human beings interpretation of scripture is perfect because someone has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is equally as ridiculous. Throughout history, whenever religion and science conflict, science wins out. Maybe Christians should start seeing that the message of The Bible is not the world is flat, not a geocentric universe, and not a universe that is 6000 years old. The message of The Bible is love. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and have had one for my entire life. I have no issue in understanding and accepting the evidence of the Big Bang Theory and The Theory of Evolution, and there are many Christians who are in a similar boat as I. Ergo, the issue with science and religion is NOT science and religion. It is willfully ignorant people who think they that are not willfully ignorant.
+asdfg1234528  You: So to say God is flawed because human beings are flawed is ridiculous. Me: Actually, it is precisely the truth. God is merely a reflection of mankind's ignorant and fearful (flawed) past and bears the same weaknesses attributed to him from which early man himself suffered. Mankind has progressed in terms of science but still hangs on to the security blanket that is religion, and adorns his gods with the powers of giving and taking away much as nature does through bountiful harvests and drought, and through a warlike demeanor that unfortunately plagued our early ancestors. Unfortunately, your god is only capable of doing only what you yourself are capable of doing and the proof is in the following. Certain tubby people (who shall remain nameless) believe in the power of prayer. But all it takes to prove that your god is incapable of performing complex mathematics is to pray for him to provide you with the answers to a math exam for which you are wholly unprepared. You will find that your god is as good at math as you are will not provide you with any insight to solving those math problems that you did not learn yourself through studying.
+asdfg1234528 faith is "belief that is not based on proof" So what do you call belief despite contrary evidence?