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i've never thought about the mono mix... particularly when i've been copying a single guitar track, panning hard L/R, and then using Wave's Doubler plug, I end up getting things sounding a little too chorusy... i'll defo try this technique.. thanks Graham :-)
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what a shity guitar track for this example dont you think?
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Glad someone said it! Lol! His eq did make it pop out more, but didn't fix the shitty guitar part! Lol
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The guitar part fails mostly due to how rhythmically just don't work together. I recorded things that the rhythms don't work together...but I fix it.How you ask?! I got rid of one. 2nd thing out of place is the arpeggiated part should be in a different octave. Sounds like a bunch of the same notes running over each other. So...lol BAD arranging lurking it's ugly head around a guitar track!!!! CPT out!!! Lol
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god damn , you dope
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Adam Sayer Shared on Google+ · 5 months ago
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checking everything you mix in mono is a great hint even for professionals!
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Graham-would this work with a copied guitar track to another track-if you did the eq "carving" (even if it's the same guitar playing the same musical phrases)?
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Thanks Brother for Sharing. That was cool that you made them polar opposites from each other to make them both Distinct. Cheers & God Bless You Brother. :)
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Best EQ is no EQ. But you never know how it's gonna sound in the full mix so you have to be really advanced in using mics and understanding frequencies to achieve a great tone without a need to EQ it. And to all the people saying that Graham should have re-recorded the guitars. Well, as a mixing engineer you don't always get a chance to re-do parts. Sometimes you just have to deal with whatever you have and make it sound as good as possible. Great video Graham!
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I'm thinking you don't understand the purpose of EQing. I can't think of an instance in normal circumstances when you want thinks to fit in their proper places in the mix that EQ is not going to be required in some form. Of course there's always the option of just cutting a bad record. We got a lot of those around the turn of the century.
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+Chris Grooms What I mean by saying this is that if you really think your mix through and do the EQ'ing on the way in (amp settings, mics and their placements, room acoustics, etc.) you will need little or no EQ at all which is great because in band situations you want to keep the record sounding as natural as possible.
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1st of all, why do so many of you have to be so nasty and rude? He is taking his time and effort to put these videos up for us to view for free, if you don't like them or the ads that play before them then don't watch. And if you don't like the ads you might as well never log on to youtube again.  2nd - another good way to add clarity to separate guitar parts and try playing the track that is less of the rhythm track an octave higher. I find this really separates parts
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Or get the "adblock" extension for chrome and never see an add again!
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I agree. He's trying to help, and it's free advice that may help someone. People are just rude. 
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Hi Graham, I have a Tom Dowd scenario I'd love to learn to do. In fact, I just wanna be him. (but young and alive) LOL The song Melissa by the Allman Brothers Band. Of course there is the Acoustic starting things with the rest around it as it builds. Then Dickey starts on the Les Paul with this very emotional embellishment throughout the song. At different stages the Les Paul has the effects go delayed and wide stereo. Might you know how to get this done in Pro Tools starting with a mono recording from the Les Paul? Thanks!
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when you said "see the clarity??" I thought to myself. "..no.. not at all." horrible guitar tone tbh. way to fuzzy and thin.
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More than likely, he already added a high pass filter. This would make the guitars sound extremely thin. They sound thin to make room for the lower frequency instruments like the bass and kick drum. In reference to the fuzziness, because we don't know the song type or what the rest of the song sounds like, it's hard to say a certain guitar tone by itself sounds bad. If it fits with the song that he put it in, then it's good. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, just trying to help in some way.
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hope you're getting well paid for the ads we are all forced to watch before your video comes on. btw, you need to fire your guitarist(s), and whoever composes the music for you :)
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It's fuzzy at the beggining and perhaps not ok for that mix, but sound likely ok and could fit for 90s post punk style like Revelation records or Dischord bands, or other lo-fi styles. Just as idea for it, cause anyway in punk sometimes we need a little more clarity when working with hi overdrives and 2 guitars, and this line of your video gets better at the end. Would sound ok raw for a post punk track if it was the intro, with no drum or bass, althought the treble guitar notes are better off boosted like at the end. But I guess I would be better with the whole trick on the rest of the track.
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Well a big thing missed here is the parts of the arrangements.  The second guitar had less rhythmic aspect than the other guitar.  GTR 2 lends itself to the freq boost based on the part played. That makes a huge difference in delivery.  Not all situations lend to this technique however, so you have yo use your ears.
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but dood, if the guitars are basically the same, and you boost the good frequency and take out the bad, then do the opposite to the other guitar, is the other guitar gonna sound bad?
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It seems like you are in deep confrontation with you own words, my vis-a-vis. On one hand you're pointing, that the one who seeks help and knowledge isn't quite good enough to make judgements, but on the other hand you are in the same position, although you call yourself a pro (and there is no reason to not believe you). I am subscribed on Graham's videos, since he can advice and inspire, but the one who has ears will hear.I just told what I heard, shared my thoughts. It's the way we learn.
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Former (and sometimes current) mix-dummy myself bro. Guilty as charged.
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wy too boost frequency that you find to be ugly?
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hey what plugin did you use for stereo width for guitars ...thanx for greatt videos... :)
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amazing video Graham! I had one question. Will using a stereo widener plugin on the Guitars help to seperate the guitars further? I once experimentally did that on a mix, and what it did is leave a big hole in the centre, which really helped the bass and the drums specially snare audible since they were dead centre. Is that really an ideal thing to do?
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1:55 hahaha, my thought exactly.
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Everytime I encounter an issue in the studio, or a question there's always a video that Graham did about it. Thanks Graham!
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I just wanted to point out that this was supposed to be a tutorial - not a video of the greatest mix in the world. It was meant to show a particular technique. (which you can adapt to your taste) If you don´t like the mix that's okay. But I see no reason to tell Graham what he should have done (re-record) or to call it crap. Doing so is...dismissive. He offers knowledge and help for a certain case. That's it. Anyway, I didn't want to offend you. Sorry, if I did.
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Hey so is that EQ the one that comes with Pro Tools? Just wondering. I've never used PT before so I wouldn't know :) Anybody know?
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please put "complementary EQing" in the title
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Wouldn't it also help to hi pass them as well?
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the effect of a boost on an instrument that is hard panned is only half of the effect you would get if that instrument was in mono. Plus, the guitars really didn't have much going in that region, they were a little dull.
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Actually you have to use ears and say yourself - Is it cutting in ears or Is it really get much in front of vocal. But what he done was surgical EQ seperation - boost/ cut in one of them reverse thing to other element you want to seperate. In that way summing it all you haven't lost anything but gained seperation. Well for me I wouldn't do that for around 2k, but hey... what works that works.
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Never worried about mono too much before, but this is good to know.
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works on bass and bassdrum too
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Great Video Graham but those 300hz-500hz were screaming for a cut
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Every post from you takes me a forward from my former mix-dummy self. Thanks a bunch!
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Its the same as creating space in the low freq. part with the kick and bass :) Its a very effective way to clean your mix :D Thank you Graham! ;)
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daaaamn your vocal mic you narrate on aint cheap i can tell.
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I gotta say ALL the stuff you have posted has made a SERIOUS difference to my own production. Thanks for all the help!
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Hey Graham, this is a really great trick!! How do you get such good audio? What mic do you use to record yourself?
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That's exactly the vid I need right now. I´m in the same situation right now. Having two guitars and - even worse - playing powerchords, they just differ by the rythm they're playing. But as here: Same guitar, same pickup, same amp (JCM900). How does it come that you come in handy everytime I face a problem?? ;-) Thanks again, Graham.
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If you ever fancy a change of direction, a few tips on song arrangement would also be inspiring and appreciated.
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i like that strategy. If you had other instruments along with those guitars, should you roll off some of the low end to make space?
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Hi from France, I had a look on all your videos. That's a great great amount of knowledge and tips. Nice to share and spend so much time explaining all this tips and tricks. Certainly, the most usefull chanel on you tube for musician.
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It is also similar as chess too, you have to think further.
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Great video and I understand your point. I heard a great comment from a music producer once. He said something to the effect of, "Modern tv producers don't worry about black and white televisions. Im not going to worry about people listening in mono". I love your tuts! Keep them coming.
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This is just an example of a technique. There are no "rules" about always cutting 2k. That "pain frequency" video you are referring to was to show that if you have a lot of guitars, try not to boost in that range or perhaps instead cut a bit to leave room for vocals. In this example there are no vocals, just two guitars.
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maybe its just me, but it sounds like the first guitar is made to sound worse, second made to sound a bit better, but not much.
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how to use this method for amp modelers like AX2 or Eleven Rack etc...
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Don't know how much you help, every video you post is "magic"... Thank you a lot!!!
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hahah I have to hand it to you...it takes a lot of balls to boost a guitar at any frequency around 2k to that degree
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just tried it and it works, MUCH clearer even with higher gain settings which also seemed to give it a fuller sound also...kudos!!!!
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I really actually don't know how you didn't recognized that this is simply crap mix without putting it in mono. It was really messy from the beginning. Technique is kind a OK, but even after you've done what you've done - still it was messy. I think you should just re-record those guitaets, because you know the rule of studio guys - "you can't mix crap". But! Maybe it plays along with the rest of the mix or the mood of the song - I can't know this.
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Hi, Would a little HPF help to? to get rid of some of the unnecessary low end freqs.
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Great information about mono vs. stereo mixing! Lot of factors I never thought about, definitely gonna try to let my tracks sound good in mono as well :)
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Graham I used this exact thing on some vocals today. that should be added its a great tools for adding separation on anything with similar tonality to it great tip many thanks.
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I used this tips, it's intersting. But what about when you have really different guitar tones? Well, High pass for sure, but I'm mixing something and I've tones of guitars even if it's a pop-rock song ahah. I've got two rythms (different amps) + an ambiance each time, these 4 tracks sounds well together and in the mix but when I add the lead tracks (DI through Amplitube) it's becoming a lot harder (2PM+2Sweeping+2arpeges those are L/R and I've the solo one: C + L/R). Ilan
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Dude i love your videos they are in my opinion the best on youtube and have really help my music to develop so i just wanted to say thanks for your awesome tutorials. p.s. could you do a video on how to master?
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Every time I watch one of these vids a lightbulb goes on in my head and I say "DUH!" thats so simple... why the heck didn't I think of that?!!! I mean alot of these tips aren't something you really need pro tools to do. I could have done this thirty years ago with my rack mounted EQ and my portastudio !!! If only I knew then... :-) Great tip!!!
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I'm a huge fan of your channel. I love when you post a video and it's something I already do, it gives me a really confident feeling. That rarely happens though. Usually instead I get another great tip.
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Love this tip. But I have a quick question (and it's kind of a simple one but I'm not used to mixing guitars): what if you have two doubles of the same part and panning hard left and right to make it thicker? should i fuss about EQ as much with that then or nah?
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Love your stuff, and I really get great info from you.
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I know your "recording" revolution but i was wondering if you could mix stuff for a band live, or do a tutorial for mixing in live settings. thanks if you can, your videos are an amazing help.
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I'm loving these videos. I did music production in collage and was pretty good at it but I've barely used it since then and just stuck with performance. These are great for recapping on things I've forgotten about and some things I didn't even know since I've recently been taking recording a lot more seriously :)
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I just wanna let you know that you are one of the best tutorials on youtube for getting to know your daw for ALL genres and you also teach a lot about training your ear in a way. I appreciate what you are doing.
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I see your poing and I must admit, that you are right. Although my ears told me that it still had flaws (unlike all other Graham works), the technique was really fine, so I agree with you. With regards to the choice of words, they might sound rude, but didn't mean to be. It was literally quote from the book about mastering mixing: "You can't mix crap". Sorry if I was offencive.
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What About If You're Recording Acoustic Guitar?
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Graham, thanks for all you do. Do you ever use this complimentary EQ idea on double-tracked guitars? That is, two or more recordings of the same part. (guitar, vocal, etc)?
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Can you do videos for reason 6?
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Excellent concepts. Very helpful. Thank you much!!!
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Hey Graham, thanks for the tip, something i've tried before but never learned the value of until now. One of my biggest pet peeves however when it comes to mixing stuff out whether it be panning or changing EQ from left to right is yes you do get width, but how do you then balance your overall stereo mix in terms of frequency from left to right. I know some mixes don't adhere to this, but a lot of great mixes do, just wondering what your opinion is on this.
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@recordingrevolution Question, so if a guitar has a totally different sound in the same song and isn't really the main guitar throughout the song, should this technique apply towards those as well if they're sort of overlapping in the song?
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Super cool trick! Sucks for guitar 2 though lol
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that was incredibly helpful my friend :) and....subscribed!!!
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THANKS! Your video always helps me a lot.
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I'm not sure if you are in the position to play the judge. I mean, after all you clicked that tutorial. So I guess you were out for some help...weren't you? Anyway, you seem not to have enough self confidence to resist clicking on it. I am one of those you would call pro, but I still wanna learn and improve my skills.
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I think the idea is they even each other out if you boost/cut them by the same amount.
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That rhythm part is a little bit out of tune. They gotta rerecord that bad boy!
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Would you still use a high pass filter on these guitars later down the line, or just roll off the lows in this PEQ that you are using right now?
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i love all of your mixing vids. they are part of the reason i have become better at mixing my beats. thanks a bunch
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The video is just an example. The frequencies I used aren't what you should worry about. Regarding the "Pain Frequency" that's more of an issue with a lot of guitars (there were only two in this video) and it's not always 2k. Sometimes it's 1k or 3k. Just some helpful suggestions. No hard and fast rules.
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I love your videos, man. I'm getting more into mixing lately, and I'm running into a lot of the problems you're addressing with your videos. It really helps springboard new people like me to a place where we feel better about our mixes, and helps us make better music overall. Keep making these videos please, they're great!
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The guitars in this example are panned hard left and right. Vocals usually are panned straightup the middle, that means they wont fight each other. Cheers^^
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Excellent video :) I never thought about inverting the EQ like that. If your recording using a miked amp vs a plugin, this is very useful. When using a plugin, it's easy to take the same guitar part, duplicate the track, and use a different sound, but even then it can sound mushy and your advice for eq could still really help to bring out the width.
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5:03 It's just an example, he's more focused on getting the concept across.
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hi Graham i am a indian musician i'm living in france after 4 years i am doing a musical project (indian classical style songs) i am not a sound engineer i do no anything about "sound" but i am learning some tips & techniques. can u help me? I want to learn some vocal processing (EQ & REverb) plz? i am waiting 4 ur reply tnx. my id carnaticnew@hotmail.fr
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vid aint workin for me.anyone else having trouble?
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I like this!! Seems and sounds like solving problems when you got more guitars in a song though I've got one question! There's a video in your channel in which you talk about cutting instruments around 2k in order to leave room for vocals and also cos it's unpleasing for ears. Your second guitar has got a 5dB boost around 2.4k. I mean, to me 5dB is a lot, whether it is a cut or boost. Isn't 2.4k too close to 2k? I mean we're supposed to cut around there instead to boost..
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i really like your videos they are very useful...thx
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