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http://frgdr.com/blog/2008/03/14/and-band-played-on-film-quote-bad-medicine/ [The Johnstones' House] Dr. Harold Jaffe (Charles Martin Smith): Every blood bank in the country has known for some time...

This same question can be applied to journalism... Especially in Mexico
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I wish this movie was here on YT, it's such an important film to watch. 
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Try "Y la banda siguio tocando" ;)
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studiotodd, I absolutely agree. Ronald Reagan would not even say the word AIDS. He was horribly out of touch and it makes me vomit that he is even considered to have been a great President.
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the most dangerous kind of person is one who have die hard support for both god and any american president
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AIDS is a big problem everywhere. Fighting AIDS is really complex and involves more than just insurance. I volunteer doing HIV testing in an inner-city American hospital. We see many people who would be eligible for insurance under the existing government programs, but choose not to apply for whatever reason. Interestingly, % prevalence of AIDS is highly similar in the US and in Europe. Governments in both places are doing the same things to combat the virus.
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@12kTeacher you can get paid to donate plasma.
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@moonrunrs first off there was little known about the disease in the beginning and the national health community gave little information to any community period. They heard conflicted information at best and when they heard that the medical community wanted to close the bath houses they saw it as yet another attempt to clamp down on gay rights. If there was a consorted effort to find out the truth about the disease there would have been a more consorted effort from gays to protect themselves.
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@ariamne1 Regan was fully aware that there was a big problem going on with AIDS and that it was only going to get worse, and he dragged his feet and didn't bother doing anything. He's very much responsible, because if he had stepped up to the plate sooner on this, a lot of lives would've been saved. For that he'll never get my respect.
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@SocratesTheGadfly The current economy has no relation whatsoever to the fact that Reagan and his conservative buddies didn't give a damn if AIDS killed off the homos and the druggies. As long as it didn't interfere with their bottom line, they were content to stand by as thousands of people who they considered to be human garbage died horrible unnecessary deaths. It wasn't until it dawned on them that THEY were potentially at risk that they finally decided that AIDS was a threat.
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@SocratesTheGadfly I don't claim to be a standard-bearer for progressives, liberals or "homos" (as you so delicately call them). Be that as it may, I don't really see how my hatred of Reagan is comparable at all to the immeasurable harm brought to the world by the Reagan administration's ambivalence towards (and contempt for) an entire segment of the population. And, no, you fool--gays were a victim of the disease. They didn't create it. The real monster is your bigotry and hyper-partisanship!
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.Yes , you Europeans have just figured everything out so well.Oh that's right your the same people who count on other nations to pay for your defense and have a 80 to 90 % tax rate and steady 20% unemployment . Truly impressive.
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@SocratesTheGadfly reagan didn't kill anyone, i'll give you that. he was however, a symptom of the problem. money, fear and ignorance was the reason for this. i'm a pretty progressive christian. i consider myself a christian socialist. sorry. i am not immoral. i'm still married to the same guy i started out with. i'm doing my best to raise 2 sons. besides i have a job, mortgage, car payment, two kids and a husband. i'm too tired to be a heathen. peace.
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@SocratesTheGadfly Please stop posting here. And stop speaking for God before lightning strikes you down or something, k? Thankies.
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Great movie, can you upload the whole thing?
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@SocratesTheGadfly What, exactly, is it that you think I am responsible for, jackass?
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@mikeyrobot500 Dude, what the fuck are you smoking? When you sober up you'll be as baffled as everyone else when you read your comment.
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@SocratesTheGadfly Proven fact, is it? Cite your evidence. Where is this "fact" shown to be proven? You'd better have something to back up your insult, otherwise you've shown yourself as a liar who makes up facts when he cannot rationally support his position. I think your invisible buddy sort of frowns on liars, doesn't he? Not that I'm at all surprised...never met a christian yet who wasn't a hypocritical liar as well.
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It is amazing the advances we have made in modern medicine since the AIds epidemic; however, I wish I could say the same for the ignorance and hatred people have towards homosexuals,
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@SocratesTheGadfly how is progressivism the opposite of christianity??? love your neighbor, provide for those who need help?? sorry, i just can't agree with you. there is certainly such a thing as doing the right thing. i totally agree with you on that. i just don't buy the concept of social darwinism, or john calvin theology. all sin is an abomination against god, no sin is worse than any other. so if god gave diseases for sin, we would all be sick and dying.
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The ball was dropped all around when it comes to the AIDS epidemic. The political sector sat on their hands and did not provide adequate funding; hell, didn't even talk about it much, the doctors were in pissing matches, the blood banks stone walled, and the gays weren't willing to have their bathhouse fun toned down. . . .
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It takes a special kind of idiot to fault the gay community who didn't know that sex spread it, and ignore the fault of the blood bank industry, who KNEW they were spreading it. You are an idiot who would call the sky pink, when everyone you told that to could obviously see it was blue, just because you think if you repeat that argument enough someone, somewhere will see some truth in it. Your opinion only matters to those who don't care about what is true. People like yourself. Idiots.
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I prefer the term satiric to sarcastic, but if sarcastic works for you, by all means, use it.
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gee, you americans should start looking beyond your "freedom" (freedom to buy, freedom to die) , you have like 44 million uninsured people, you know, less developed countries have universal health systems, arent you ashamed?
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This book and movie cemented forever my absolute hatred for Ronald Reagan and the greedy self-absorbed unsympathetic callous hardhearted "revolution" he brought with him to the White House and cursed this country with ever since. He was a monster as far as I'm concerned and has the blood of millions on his homophobic hands.
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@SocratesTheGadfly like i said, what about hemopheliacs, children and the like???? how do you explain that? i'm sorry, an entire generation of hemopheliacs died, were they guilty of pride, arrogance, or abominations????? do i think sex b/n people who aren't married is a sin? yes of course, but it is also a sin i have been guilty of in the past, so i'm not going to judge anyone for something i have also done. and abortion is wrong, but not taking care of children once born, is equally wrong.
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@SocratesTheGadfly how much are the posts going for now? five dollars a post? or do you count it after you swipe it off the dresser you fucking whore!!
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@SocratesTheGadfly As expected, you've nothing to back up ur argument except more hyper-partisan right-wing Fox News-approved but ultimately empty & pointless rhetoric. My original comment was about Reagan's callousness & the epic tragedy it triggered. U try to obscure my point with off-topic arguments. It's as typical & transparent as ur christian hypocrisy. U use conservative idealogy to justify ur self-centered greedy bigoted and uncompassionate narcissism & use religion to justify ur hate.
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@tranurse socialist and progressive are code words for LIBERAL and LIBERALISM is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of Christianity. you place your liberalism BEFORE your Christianity and as such your mind has been poisoned with that EVIL. GRID is an abomination and is retribution for the SIN of homosexuality and is a DIVINE JUDGMENT upon them from the Lord God Almighty himself.
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@oddwiak lol..i havent seen much about it, so wuts tht plain have instore 4 us?....and u kidding, u already cant get a freekin job with health care, america is so rich, greedy and fucked up!
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@SocratesTheGadfly No, dummy...the brainless/mindless award has already been presented. You won it when you typed the word "dabblying." As for the rest of your assessment--well, you're an idiot, so naturally you're wrong. Still, it never ceases to amaze me how little you self-described christian types resemble your cartoon-zombie mascot and how your behavior is so completely the opposite of what he instructed. You should be glad Jesus isn't real...he'd think you're a right-wing asshat, too.
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@SocratesTheGadfly please. tell me you actually read Shilts' book - it's one of the most well-documented books. You can't tell me the Reagan administration didn't at the very least turn a blind eye.
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Another great scene from a great movie.
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@SocratesTheGadfly Whatever fool...learn to spell and stop making up words and then get back to me. You're just another ignorant knee-jerk right-wing Beck-zombie idiot who has no clue about the subject you are attempting to address.
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I love this movie; the book was really good, too. Every few years I just HAVE to see this movie again, but it's usually hell trying to find the whole thing...
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@rich107s really, not my case. uneployment hmmmm about 10%. Well, i dont blame you, i know you were taught to believe you americans are the center of the world and owners of the truth, but the truth is, you got it all worng. In my country uninsured people dont get abandoned on the streets.
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@SocratesTheGadfly I don't even have to go through the trouble of responding to what you just said. You've already just shown people that you're a worthless sack of flesh that isn't even worth the time it takes to compose an intelligent, well-thought out response.
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@tranurse good for you! however, it still does NOT account for the completely ridiculous accusation from the homo community, the book and the movie of the same name from which this clip is extracted "blaming" President Reagan and his administration for GRID. the homos brought this retribution upon themselves and is a Divine Judgment from the Lord God Almighty that homosexuality is an abomination and a SIN against the Laws of God.
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liberalism is a mental disorder!!! i love reagan
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And guess what? Doctors are still business men today, I work at a hospital and I see it all the time. I stay at the hospital for the patients. These suites don't get the concept about the fact that patients that got AIDS through blood transfusion. "You know you can't prove that" B.S.! That a-hole can't prove otherwises.
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@danax2007 And I know you were taught that in America people actually are abandoned in the streets. That is not the case. Every hospital in the country must, I repeat, must treat a person regardless of citizenship when they check into the ER. Also, there is no comparison between the level of care in the US and other countries like Canada that have universal healthcare. That's why patients come to America when they have cancer or need a transplant.
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i luv this movie... and this part here, isint it wonderful tht ppl tht had the power and chance's of controlling this thng, even if jus alil bit, threw caution 2 the wind, the man said 89%!!...thts unbelievable, they should of done something, instead if u look thruout the movie and the charcters in place, there all older, they knew this was a young problem, due 2 sex, drugs, and overall lifestyle, which shit, ppls lifestyle's still havent changed 2 this very day......sad...
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@studiotodd reagan did nothing about that okay so shut up because if it wasnt for him we would be owned by germany
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I think all doctors and hospitals and nurses should be investigated in this country.. way too much corruption going on.. for insurance money.. isn't that sad
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@studiotodd ah yes, you must be one of them mindless, brainless and spineless liberals who are more in love with themselves and their narcissistic pleasures to bother with others and when you do not get what you WANT you BLAME others for the misfortunes of your careless, loveless and immoral lifestyles. such a waste, you have my SINCERE PITY for you know not the consequences of an immoral, hedonistic, selfish life
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Clinicians made numerous mistakes (greedy mistakes) during this time period. Mainly based upon the idea that "oh, its a bunch of fags, so who cares". Political correctness has changed significantly for those of us in microbiology and virology, but the virus and its numbers have not. Gay men still account for the majority of new infections, which I find obscene given the level of knowledge out there. High risk behavior still leads to infection. Now, as then.
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Why change America's healthcare industry? From this clip, there seems to be working just fine.
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Thank you for reminding us of THIS important movie instead of "Philadelphia"!
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Nothing. He did absolutely nothing. Since he believed that only the dirty queers & druggies were being infected, he did NOTHING to stop the spread of the disease. ANYTHING that was done towards funding education & research was done in spite of Reagan & his conservative "family values" administration's indifference. He only mentioned AIDS once in public, late in his final term & that was only to blame those who contracted the disease. This epidemic could have been contained, had he given a damn.
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@studiotodd reagan did nothing about that okay so shut up because if it wasnt for him we would be owned by germany and he was a homophobe but who blames him they spread the disease
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"when doctors start acting like businessmen..where do people go to for doctors?" EXACTLY! and to bad that problem still goes on in this generation.
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@seattletaytay the leftist liberal communist demoncrat socialists have an AGENDA and just as the hack rahm immanuel said, "never let a good crisis go to waste"! anytime communist demoncrats can identify a VICTIM and place BLAME upon somebody else rather than to let people take RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions, it empowers them ( the communists ) and makes others who oppose that radical communist agenda look bad in the public eye. that is the MESSAGE of shilts' "book" communism in disguise!
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if you think this is wrong then vote for obama's healthcare because this will get worse!
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How about this forget the fucken POLITICAL BULLSHIT and donate to help the ppl who are sick. I'm not religious I'm not with any party at all NONE AT ALL. But I believe the human existence is more important then republican democrat bs. Stop acting like inhuman people and be human for once.
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i remember seeing a timeline of AIDS once and apparently regans aids commision started someone around 1988. The first accounts of aids began in the late 70s... do you know how long AIDS went on, with all the media hype going on and everything before regan even mentioned the word AIDS during an interview? a REALLY.. REALLY long time.
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For the most part everybody feels the way I do about this scene and the scientific community's viewpoint of HIV/AIDS during that time. All I have to say is what a damn shame. Let people die...o yea, that's always the answer. ::SMH::Give me a break.
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@studiotodd WOW! It is a wonder that you are still alive and actually breathing with the amount of hubristic vitriol, arrogance, hostility and hatred that you spew. Have you ever known love? I certainly doubt it but it probably is NOT your fault because of your liberalistic attitudet. Just BLAME someone else for your troubles, inner conflict and wallow in your own SELF PITY of all the troubles of the world. You see that is where self absorbed liberals are EXPERT, SELF HATRED BLAMED ON OTHERS!
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SocratesTheGadfly is the most sensible, logical, and objective person in this comments section. As opposed to the deviant supporting RightWingerHunter666 who is under the mistaken impression that he is cool and edgy.
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@Adrigal1234 i donate because it is the right thing to do. so far, i've donated about 3 gallons (12 liters) you can get paid to donate plasma. and reagan was only part of the problem. liddy dole, who was head of the red cross at that time, had to be drug kicking and screaming to the idea of testing the blood. money played the bigger part of the problem i think. they figured it cost too damn much to test the blood. and fear and ignorance played the biggest part.
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@studiotodd have you been paying attention lately? the economic meltdown is PROOF that liberalism is a mental disorder due to the disastrous policies proposed by elitist not it all liberals who institute economic policies that ALWAYS result in failure but try the same things over and over and over expecting different results. that is the very definition of INSANITY! the same with welfare, tax increases and governmental programs that DO NOT WORK!
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@SocratesTheGadfly My contempt for Reagan isn't responsible for a single death, to my knowledge. Too bad Reagan couldn't say the same with regard to his homo-hatred. You keep harping on this liberal bullshit. I never once said I was a liberal. In your mind, labeling someone as "liberal" is the easiest way to dismiss him and his message. And again, the current economy and President have nothing to do with why I hate Reagan. So why do you keep bringing it up?
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@SocratesTheGadfly Your head must just hurt all the time from the huge amount of stupid you carry around in there. Look, I'm not going to waste anymore time with you. If you want to understand Reagan's complicity in the AIDS epidemic, watch the movie this clip is pulled from. Or read Randy Shilt's book of the same title. Or watch the Frontline documentary series about the history of AIDS. Or just pull your head out of your ass...it's common knowledge among non-slackjawed mouthbreathers.
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actually there is no hatred in my heart but GRID is something that homos brought upon themselves and it was NOT enough for them but they had to bring it to the rest of the world for their deviant and abhorent behavior.
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@SocratesTheGadfly and the administration at the time did not take aids seriously. liddy dole was head of the red cross and was vehemently against the testing of blood for aids/hep b etc. and as such, there was an entire generation of hemophiliacs that died or have had to live being hiv +. and, i do blame the reagan administration for that. but, i also realize that it was money too that paid a big part.
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Where's the rest of the film? It's worth posting on YouTube - everyone should see it (and read the book by Randy Shilts).
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I consider this one of the best movies about AIDS ever made. :(
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@studiotodd your faulty logic is once again absolutely wrong on this issue. translation from latin, Post hoc ergo propter hoc , and in english , After this, therefore because of this. your conspiratorial theory is WRONG and it typical of the lazy thinking by all LIBERALS. instead of taking RESPONSIBILITY liberals would prefer to BLAME somebody else instead of themselves. truly pathetic little boi , no go home and feel sorry for yourself.
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actually it is the kaifer niggers of africa who were not satisfied with normal sex but had to have sex with their nearest relatives the MONKEYS in africa just like homos are sub human forms of amphibian excrement.
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@studiotodd you are so TRANSPARENT and BLIND to your own HATRED that it has consumed you into this delusional paranoid state. it is typical of all liberals thus justifying the label that all liberals have a mental disease. President Ronald Reagan did NOT kill anyone. this is a made up LIE and FANTASY created by the immoral liberal leftists in order to JUSTIFY their own SELF HATRED, LOATHING AND DESPICABLE TWISTED IMMORALITY you have my SINCERE PITY!
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@tranurse homos brought the plague of GRID upon themselves and should take RESPONSIBILITY for their own deviant and debauched actions. instead they BLAME others for their misfortune of life. The Reagan administration is NOT responsible for the GAY PLAGUE. this movie and book are full of LIES and that is the tactic of the elite liberals, progressives, socialists, communists and demoncrats without regard for the TRUTH, MORALITY, ETHICS and the COMMON GOOD.
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@studiotodd NO you are dabblying into cognitive dissonance and is typical of the "highly enlightened liberalistice mentality" that WE ( liberals ) are CORRECT and PURE whereas THEY ( conservatives ) are EVIL. NO! YOU are the hypocrit with the prejudicial and judgemental mentality that HATES others and most especially those who differ from your "holier than thou mentality" YOU have my sincere pity for, YOU KNOW NOT WHAT YOU DO!
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@studiotodd this is a very typical attitude of "LIBERALS" who proclaim to be "more compassionate" toward their fellow man. HATRED is NOT a "progressive" value of virture, morality nor ethics. the real problem with the world is those who have NO regard for ethics, morality NOR personal responsibility for their own actions and that specifically refers to the homo community who brought the plague of GRID to the world! the real monster is YOUR own hatred!
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@SnotRockets55 yes, you might short out what is left of your brain with the solitary brain cell that you currently have and unlike all other liberals, I am NOT out to destroy anyone else.
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@studiotodd maybe you could START with your own personal HATRED, VITRIOL AND ANIMOSITY directed at the former President of the United States Ronald Reagan.do you hold the current occupant The obamamessiah in such contempt for his recklessness in driving an economic disaster? besides you have just PROVED that you have a limited intellect with the use of profanity as well as a childish immaturity typical of liberals who always claim to be more HUMANE and CARING but reality is quite different
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@tranurse progressivism is just another variant of liberalism. the same liberalism that proclaims that abortion ( the deliberate MURDER of the most innocent among us, the UNBORN ) is a right! this same poisonous ideology support the debauchery of homosexuality and also defends MURDERERS and CHILD MOLESTORS! the GREATEST sin is that of PRIDE and ARROGANCE and homos commit acts and are an ABOMINATION to God and the Natural Law of the Universe to which God designed.
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@studiotodd actually you are the idiot, it is a PROVEN FACT that liberalism is a MENTAL DISORDER. however i should congratulate you in succumbing to the GREAT EVIL of the world which is HATRED. you have fallen completely into satan's trap of self loathing hatred as expressed by your hatred of others. Godless liberals only have the refuge of self pitying victimhood to wallow in. i will no longer PITY you but FORGET you just as i have rejected the vile nameless one within whom you worship.
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@studiotodd very typical of a liberal to BLAME others for the misfortunes of life rather than taking RESPONSIBILITY. homos have only themselves to blame for the GRID plague that they brought into the world.
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@magicpet ah yes, yet another brain dead moron with a solitary brain cell trying to actually learn how to think up an intelligent thought and failing miserably. no run along home little boi and whack yourself silly over some gay boi's magazine.
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@tranurse the real culprits and the EVIL people were the homo community who spread this disease and did NOT take responsibility for the consequences of their immoral, decadent and debauched actions. the liberals and the homos BLAMED others for this perversion instead of accepting RESPONSIBILITY. YES I will be judgmental and most especially when it such EVIL is perpetrated WILLINGLY by the homo community just as I hold MURDERERS responsible for their actions and the same holds for child molesters
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@SnotRockets55 that is a typical response from a brain dead liberal to deny or force someone to not speak out especially when it contradicts the selfish, narcissistic and self absorbed mentality of all liberals. deny someone else's rights especially when it is deemed "offensive". homosexuality is a SIN and homos brought GRID into this world from their deviant, abbhorent and degenerate lifestyle. BLAMING OTHERS for their misfortunes is an act of avoiding RESPONSIBILITY.
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