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The Bomb in the Brain Part 2 - The Freedomain Radio Interview with Dr Felitti

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An interview with Dr. Felitti, the director of the Adverse Childhood Experiences project. The ACE Study is an ongoing collaboration between the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Kaiser...

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Back when Stef used a potato for a microphone. Ah the good old days.
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This is very informative, but this also started to make me think, and I know its going to be very difficult. In order for me to grow as an adult, I need to confront my mother about my childhood trauma that she inflicted upon me from years giving me corporal punishment, she'll explode, she'll probably throw a fit and scream at me, but it needs to be done in order for to be a stronger person... 
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I'm 33 and near 400 lbs and I remember the beginning of my weight gain being around 9 years old.  That was around the time my parents moved for the first time, so I think the extreme sudden change triggered it for me.  Though now thinking back on it I think a reason I haven't had any motivation to deal with it is because when I was maybe 7 years old I was attacked by a dog that stood almost as tall on 4 legs as I stood on 2 legs, as such when it looked for a place to bite it ended up biting off my upper lip up to my nose.  I had surgery to deal with the resulting gap, but I still have a fairly visible scar there.  All through my life people that have commented on the scar would joke and say "Were you trying to kiss the dog?" when I told them how it happened.  So my weight has served as a distraction to draw people's eyes from my scar.  And it does work, its been a long time since anyone asked me about the scar.  It is also why I don't shave nearly as often as most other people do, I think, the facial hair also serves as a distraction from the scar.  Unfortunately I don't grow facial hair quickly enough for that to be an effective method to deal with it.  So this video just makes me think if I ever did deal with my weight I would probably end up getting very depressed as well.
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You owe it to yourself to take control of your health. Almost a year ago I weighed over 300 lbs. I dealt with a lot of emotional abuse as a child from my parents mainly my dad, I ate to cope and for various other reasons as you can attest to personally. I sat down and thought about what I wanted for my life and I realized I wasn't going to get what I most desired being the weight I was at and the poor condition of my health. Which was only going to get worse. Almost a year later and I have lost 89 lbs through sheer determination. It is not as hard as it is made out to be, once it shifts and clicks in your brain then nothing can stop you. Don't let the past dictate your future anymore honey.
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Looking for information groups that fight for the rights of children and/or going after CPS for leaving kids in the abuse until so much damage has been done - 
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So no BBWs in an anarchist society :(
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I think that this conversation is missing a good question. If ACE's explain 40% of human disease/pathology/psychopathology, where does the majority( >60%) of disease/dysfunction come from? From Kaiser's standpoint preventing ACE's would save enormous amounts of money, but it would still leave a large number of people with physical/physiologic dysfunction.  Certainly, childhood trauma can have a profound effect on the functionality/health/wellbeing of the child during the child's entire life. But if ACE's are a widespread as this video suggests, the world would be unable to function at any level because of the severe dysfunction of every other individual. Most modern processes/services that we take for granted are incredibly complex and involve a number of specific steps that need to be performed by a number of people. One person who is dysfunctional at the level illustrated here and the entire result is compromised. The conversation also leaves out the molecular genetics of the "bad parenting" behavior. If this behavior led to a decrease in the survival of children in the past, none of the genetic basis for this behavior would have survived until now. To give a good example (horrible time/good example), 8% of people in the area controlled by Ghengis Khan can trace their lineage directly to him (he is the 'father' of 8% of the population in the area that he and the Mongols controlled). The genes that result in an individual who can kill, rape, pillage, and induce others to do the same without feeling shame, sorrow, guilt, and internal conflict are probably not dissimilar to the genes that lead to "bad" parenting behaviors. This discussion assumes that all behavior is learned, when the truth as we now understand it is that much of what we take as learned behavior is inherited. From the perspective of genes, the only thing that matters is their increase in number in a given environment or population. ANY behavior that increases a genes ubiquity is preserved.  In that context, teaching children to be violent, to take what they want, and to respond to violence was a very good way to guarantee their relative success in the world prior to modern social democracy (no caps, it's a fucked up mess). Imagining that you can "teach" that away in a generation or two is to ignore the genetic basis of much of human behavior.  The other fact missing is the individuals who seem to be able to abuse their bodies endlessly without result. Winston Churchill drank like a fish, smoked like a chimney, was morbidly obese for much of his life, and died in his bed at age 94. He could be horribly cruel, ordering the bombing of population centers in Germany after it was clear that the war was over and that further "breaking" of the German people was unnecessary.  In closing, I think the key to health in the context of behavior is whether or not the behavior is ego syntonic (I smoke because I like the way it makes me feel) or ego dystonic ( I smoke to forget that Uncle Lew sodomized me every Sunday after church for 10 years). Just a thought.
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+Luthuli Larson I'm going to jump in topic to what you write:  "This connection STILL does not explain why people who have definitely NOT experienced ACE's still exhibit what we as a society feel are unacceptable behaviors." For me, this is curious as to who you have worked with that has unacceptable behaviors without Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs).  How do you determine that?  Because in my 20 years as a therapist, I have not found this to actually be true - maybe if you are looking on a superficial level - but not in an in-depth psycho-social assessment and even then if the do not provide you with all the pieces of the family picture do to being guarded, it all comes out once you develop a therapeutic alliance, meaning they feel its safe to tell you more.   I love smart, curious people, they are rare - in my experience, and you seem to be smart - so I am really interested in your point of view on this.  Thanks  
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+Denise Treesh Denise, I am only using Mr. Molyneux's numbers, and I have absolutely no way of knowing what percentage of societally unacceptable behavior is due to early childhood trauma.  I have absolutely no experience in administering psychotherapy, and so can only speak to the research I read. His assertion that ACE's explain 40% of human "disease" (many of the things we now consider to be pathologic were once held in great esteem, for example the ability to bear great pain, or a willingness to kill other people without emotion) is a little flimsy if the rest of his theory is to hold. How is it that so many people function so well having experienced ACE's? Why don't all people develop horrific diseases if ACE;s are so widespread and are inevitable the cause of physical disease? Why doesn't therapy (psychotherapy etc.) have a measurable effect on disease incidence and prevalence? My problem with both Steffan and Bruce is that they make outrageous although socially popular statements, cloaking them in scientific jargon, and expect the rest of us to accept their poorly thought out and financially motivated opinions as fact.  FACT: neither man has ANYTHING resembling scientific proof to back his statements. FACT: in the past many of the behaviors we now see as "wrong" or "bad" were seen as virtuous and correct. The Huns would slash the cheeks of male babies to create warriors who could bear great pain. FACT: for most of human history survival demanded a near complete understanding of the use of violent force. FACT: social democracy is based on the threat of violent force (all current laws are backed up by jack-booted, redneck, white-bread, chickenshit, motherfuckers to quote NWA). Violate even a minor law (drug possession say) and see what happens. We do not live in a wonderful love everybody world and never will because human beings are inherently selfish, sexual, violent creatures. More human beings have died at the hands of other human beings than from all other causes combined. WE CAN'T BE NICE WITHOUT THREAT OF VIOLENCE. FACT: NO government or set of laws of behaviors for human beings has EVER been established without the threat of violence/use of force. Teach your children to be pacifists and they will be victims. The trick is to violate without guilt and to violate within the bounds of society. The men on wall street (small letters, they should have been dragged out in the street and shot as they would have been had they been poor crack dealers in Philidelphia) who nearly ruined modern social democracy and made a fortune doing it sleep well at night and are right back at it. If their story is not a modern study in acceptable violation I am uncertain what is.
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Much respect to you Stefan for this heroic work.  We can heal this world with the aid of the wisdom you are providing.  Thank you so very much.
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Ya know, its a damn shame that I forgot everything you guys talked about over the last hour and burst out in laughter based on that very last frame! LMAO!!
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LOOOOL oh my god I know!!! It's gonna be my fb cover photo hahaha
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In one episode, you mentioned the statistics with respect to ACE having a causal effect on cancer, but are there statistics showing the reverse, such as what percent of cancer patients had a history of ACE and to what degree.   I am wondering if ACE stats could be used to reduce the liability of companies that are producing products that are thought to cause cancer if they can prove a claimant suffered child abuse.
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This is really great. Many thanks to both of you. 
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Soap operas?  Reminds me of how I've heard baby boomers wishing they had Brady or Huxtable parents.
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Did stef ever do any thing with Bruce or the "Rat Park' experiment
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Extraordinary conversation. My sincere gratitude for both individuals sharing these stories.
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One hour in a few words: Being fat is often a more or less subconcious  replacement for confronting people, or your own demon, directly with your own will and in so doing risk dispute and/or judgement? In other words, an attempt to escape the fight...
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Brilliant work thank you..
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DRUGS can be GREAT for you.  That is, PSYCHOACTIVE drugs, i.e. Spiritual Medicine.  But it can only work for you if you know how to integrate the significance of the effects into your life, let alone interpret them or be involved with them properly as they occur.  Ideally, one would not require any "assistance" in order to be "well", but we live in a world where our vulnerable condition in it the body is painted with a a target called entropy, such that forces of non-cooperative involvement from the environment, including the environment of "caretakers", collides with inhospitable force with our most private of parts, the brain and peripheral nervous system, and their interactions with the bodies homeostatic mechanisms.  This is a serious problem.  Just the "blind chance" of injury alone is remarkably endangering.  But humans have learned to systematize this self-traumatizing drama in to social structures, and even learned to glorify the worst expressions of this perennial evil in all the horrors of enforced poverty and idiotic wars. It seems that a guided form of derealization and depersonalization, as pseudosciences of psychiatry and in some schools of psychology, would phrase these adaptations, is in order.  If done correctly, it leads to a profound reordering of the deepest and most intractable function/dysfunction bindings in the person.  That's what spiritual disciplines enable for people with the discipline and will to endure them.  Combined with the proper use of psychoactive medicines, this can be a profound help for those who are receptive to it. But for those addicted to "what almost works", or even worse, for those who find this worldly hell a place that profoundly and systematically "works for them fine", this is not something worth doing.  The only solution is to BREAK the will of the ego in its determination to continue with something that doesn't really work, whether for themselves or for others or both.  That does sometimes require some "forceful" readjustments of attitude.   This is not preferable, but it sometimes cannot be avoided.
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@12:45 the speaker says that women are more likely to be the victim of sexual molestation.  This is not true at all.  When male genital mutilation is looked at as a form of child abuse you will see that it is men who are the majority of sexual victims.  These victims grow up to inflict harm on women and THEN you see the result of the previous crimes acted out a whole generation later.   I know you have an excellent video on the subject.  Thanks for speaking out.  
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Exactly! I feel so vindicated. Fat is invisible. It is a safety zone - it keeps people just that far away - and it makes sense that it comes from child abuse - it all makes sense now - wow!!!
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is it possible for a child to develop stuttering into adulthood as a result of physical (as well as verbal) abuse? assume the child was not a "natural stutterer".
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@TheDawnAmber You know what? I've never looked at it that way. Brilliant observation.
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Eating in your sleep? Good god. oh.... God.
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This is one of the best interviews I have ever heard. Great work
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absilutly fascinating..."It's hard to beat something that almost works"...whenever I give up the cigs, I spiral into anxiety..Ive never quite understood why, till now.
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I don't understand "Turning Gold Into Lead"?
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reading "The Roots of Addiction in Free Market Society".. hmm
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Incredible anecdote Dr. Felitti stated @ 1:08:40 in regards to Emy(?) Warner's work on highly resilient people who were socially and economically successful had such a high prevalence of organic diseases! Makes so much sense now.
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So does this mean that within every fat girl is a skinny girl who just doesn't want to talk to you?
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@Oneworld87 ...attain arbitrary cognitive enhancement. Anyway, would also like to say that your videos are of incredible elegance and have served me the most incredible insights pertaining to the stratified power structure of humanity! I sincerely appreciate all of your efforts in pursuit of a better world! Thanks Stef!
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the weight was coming off faster than I could handle it.. My wall was crumbling.. My wall was crumbling...
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In my opinion it would count as an ACE, because it is a painful religious ritual. This physical pain can be very traumatizing to a child. The same could apply for foot binding of young girls and women of China that happened for centuries.
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@Oneworld87 ...currently available to their conscious self for solving the problem). Although this can solve overwhelming problems, I'm wondering of your thoughts relating to how this may be used to automate the learning and development of entire skills (even at the compensation of a temp/perm loss of current skills), and if current summarizations of what is known pertaining with these troubles of mind are insufficient, then I'd also appreciate any speculation on your behalf of how one may...
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Huh, when I first started putting on weight, it actually happened twice, once when I was 10, and then I lost a bunch of weight, then started gaining again at age 14. I don't know why either time.
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Geneen Roth's "When Food is Love" (1991) is a good book on the topic. One way to improve childrearing is to have Community Centers for parents of young children, where they can meet each other and socialize, and get support. That's not "telling people what they should do", that's bringing them together for what they naturally want. But we have such issues about childhood...tax dollars are subsidizing places for seniors to go play bingo, and not for mothers to get support!
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i took the ACE evaluation and scored a 1 i'm very glad about that
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@TSMPimpDaddyPain Totally agree, and since "the people" either ALL have amnesia OR cannot find the strength to STRONGLY OBJECT to the poisons in our water,food and air, then, shouldn't this doctor TELL US how they factored in for these poisons when doing these studies and discuss ways of "neutralizing" them? Ironically, he talks about how paying the high price for "secrecy" didn't apply to him, but, Steph guides him away from the topic. The disconnect and the consequences continue.
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I got a score of 1 on the ACE exam; possibly 2. As you said Stefan, the worst cases are shown on media & it means that people with a score of 1 or 2 are largely convinced they had a "normal" or "natural" childhood. Meaning, from the societal pressures, they end up taking ownership of a lot of traumas & it effects them immensely. I, for example, still feel I have no "right" to externalize my problems because people have it worse. I end up internalizing all my mistakes & that I can't change them.
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@Oneworld87 ...dream incubation, self-affirmations (constant), self-induced trance states or by other various arbitrary means). From personal experience, and to what I currently know of this form of cognitive enhancement, one should realize that there is inevitably another instance of themselves that reasons with all the sensory input acquired, but which only acquires an arbitrary perspective of those inputs by a state of sensory deprivation (i.e. whilst sleeping -- in other words, ...
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@jozhikas yes. he takes bitcoins. go to freedomainradio and the "donate" tab
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could it also be that the damage done by excess steroid like toxins in the body from traumatic events r/t child abuse are also worsened by the lack of certain nutrients that help the body eliminate toxins..like iodine or magnesium for instance, both known to be extrememly deficient in the american diet in particular...and add the insult of flouride and mercury and bromine in our water & foods, etc..how do these studies stack up with countries that do not have these poisons to deal with ?
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Great video. I am in private practice and don't accept insurance. A 35% reduction in doctor's visits is good for my business and not bad. The new patient referrals is what drives profitability not perpetuating/prolong treatments of current patients.
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Can I donate bitcoins? Just for the sheer ease of doing so.
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There there now just keep your pretty little head in the sand and let those roots just grow around. Don't go and worry yourself one little bit.... Here, you want a cookie? Why don't you go outside and play with your imaginary friends and let the adults talk amongst themselves.
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hi Stefan, I would like to thank for this B.I.T.B series you have put out. Just some wonderful information! At minute 33:35 you make reference to a "diet" they used for bringing obese people's weight down. Do you happen to have a copy/sheet/reference to that regimen they used that you could possibly put up? Thanks, David
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I hadn't never heard of this "Rat Park" experiment, though I had heard of self-doping rat experiments many times. Sounds like really neat work. I'll have to check it out. Also, that abuse-themed soap opera is a pretty interesting idea. Thanks for the video!
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To simplify my argument, I suggest you watch a documentary called: Fathead.
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I had my mom take the test and she scored 8 ACEs. When I took it I scored zero so I guess I'm very lucky. Unfortunately, the test doesn't take into consideration the abuses from people outside the family unit in which case my ACE score would probably be significantly higher.
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@Oneworld87 ...their unconscious self). For most, they may be unaware of their other self that becomes active (perhaps we could liken these distinct variations of the "self" to personas or presets), but may acquire a response from this preset if the individual (the conscious mind) experiences overwhelming emotion ascribed to a particular problem (thereby giving rise to those "ahha!" moments that proceed shortly after one finds themselves stressed with a problem exceeding the resources...
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I was skinny as fuck as a kid, the first time I ever put on any weight was right after breaking up from my first real relationship... Interesting hmm.
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I disagree. Poverty is not a causal factor of abuse. Perhaps obesity because of the crap they sell in the stores that are riddled with preservatives and addictive chemicals. But also because healthy food costs more. Fruits don't last long. Not like a twINKY.
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@Stinkemon That is really sad and wrong! Clearly obese people are in Pain! Emotionally or medically. They should help them not discriminate and hate them. They need love and guidance and not evil.
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I think that representative democracy serves a vital function because it channels all of the anger, frustration, and destructive energies of man into a peaceful election, sort of like a horse race with really high stakes.
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@medini2 This is a good point, what I was gonna bring up....also throw in the toxic substances/viruses in the vaccines, and aluminum in there as well which damages the brain. This ACE is a good study but these other things that the big pharma and food companies are knowingly poisoning the population with, can't be ignored.
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I thought he said "it's hard to get enough of something that almost works".
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Thank you I am a pack a day smoker there has been times that I have quit and at those times it was surprisingly easy for me “When I did not live with my family” Each time I have moved back from complications in my life and there’s. Now I am have a better understanding of how to make my life healthier.
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Doulas at hospital births, even if they merely SAT IN THE ROOM, AND DIDN'T SPEAK AT ALL, throughout a woman's labor, were shown to decrease the laboring mothers need for pain medication, and even the rate of C-sections. (Klaus & Kennell). Apparently we humans were not meant to be solitary animals, and benefit from even the slightest, most mildly positive human support when we are under stress.
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Why is it so surprising that you could reverse type 2 diabetes? There are a bunch of vegan/vegetarian doctors that have done this very thing. Neal Bernard comes to mind.
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Just the first part alone helped me understand myself so much.
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Some kinds of abuse are not even on our radar screens yet. Adoption for example, is extremely traumatic, and unjustifiable unless the parents are quite disturbed. Yet, because it is an over-a-billion dollar industry, the effects on separated infants..(often from mothers are manipulated and guilt-tripped into surrender, who have little wrong with them) is not discussed. And psychiatrist Clancy MacKenzie has documented that separation from the primary caretaker between the ages of two to
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I appreciated that Stef pointed out the medi's focus on extreme cases which distorts the public perception. The problem with society isn't found in extreme cases but in the everyday events of abuse. The media rarely looks at the larger context and instead looks at events as isolated.
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OMG that women story was shocking i had no idea that these things could be linked like that
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Apologies for going slightly off-topic, and to all whom have experienced childhood trauma do accept my deepest sympathies (and those of all the viewers who haven't expressed them but would otherwise do so). Anyway, I was wondering of what your experience (if) of arbitrary cognitive enhancement is -- of utilizing mere thoughts and "tuning" into the intuition of one's mind to acquire skills that we otherwise wouldn't have attained consciously -- via some means (e.g. perhaps though...
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I tottally empathise with what u say here, pleez don't give up on therapy tho..I'm planning, with a little bit of philiosophical and psycological orienteering(so to speak) I will be ready to approach therapy in a far more focused way. Good luck Dude!
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That last comment was for SpikeBravo.
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The main stream media is ALSO the problem. The movies, news reports, and tv shows are just horrible and encourage murder, greed, lust, selfishness. Yes, parents are the primary educator.. Or should be.. However, lets be realistic, they aren't stepping up to the plate. Lets face it we have forgotten our morals..
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Thats so strange to hear that its actually a "thing" to have amnesia about some period of childhood, I honestly cant remember most of my childhood past 8th or 9th grade. what does that mean?
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@stefbot Absolutely! I am posting it on FB, Twitter and my blog. The world needs to hear this. I've seen only a small sampling of your work, but from what I can tell you are approaching social problems with a great deal of both pragmatism and compassion. That's a powerful combination and, to my mind, exactly what our world needs. I am truly thankful and look forward to exploring more of your work.
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"Overweight is overlooked" This line just broke my heart.
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"Cut the carbs, sugar, and starches and you'll keep the weight off." Fructose - cut it good, just as much as you'd cut vodka if you had recurring vodka intake problem. Considering Hoebel findings and it's crucial role as inhibitor of satiation mechanism - leptine. Sugar destroys satiation mechanism everyone has built in ones body. It takes time to restore but it works perfectly once you ditched all fructose containing products say for two months - I'm speaking from experience.
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He does balme fructse, you simply don't know yet because you didn't watch the movie. As to the guy that says "Fat makes fat" I ask how? That is not possible in biochemical way in human body - we have no metabolic way to do so. Fats go to build stuff, energy and reamining fats leave our body unused. There is no way that fat can transform into fat cells tissue i.e. reserve tissue. All the fats that we have come from suagars :D And fructose goes only and exclusively to make fat cells.
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... believe in the metaphysics in any of them, just use the tools they give to get to the source of any illness, which is only our thoughts. I can say now that i am whole, healthy and for the most part, happy coupled with periods of deep inner peace. Just FYI, I still do not "believe" in any god or metaphysical thing, I simply do not believe anything over what I experience. I am not here to convert anyone, I just wanted to share what worked for me. I am also open for questions and advice. Love.
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This is just fabulous. Thank you so much. I am someone who had a lot of trauma and has done a lot of inner work so as to not repeat these patterns. This is all so affirming. I also want to say that you are a wonderful interviewer. You are so good at listening and reflecting as well as offering respect. Thank you.
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49:05 Dr. Felitti: "There was, some years ago, the movie 'Home For the Holidays' with a man named John Candy...." John Candy was never in a movie called "Home For the Holidays." I believe the movie Dr. Felitti was referring to is "Planes, Trains, & Automobiles" (1987).
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Most persons who are obese have either an emotional, or mental problem. Sometimes a physical issue like slow thyroid. Obese people sometimes also remain obese to protect them-self from people. Forming relationships with people. I know when I was real thin I attracted LOTS of men. Mostly worthless or abusive. However, now that I've gained weight, I rarely get approached/asked out. So, in a weird way the fat is protecting me. I know it would be healthier to find therapy to get healthier. but no $
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that explains why a lot of fat women i meet are depressed and hard to get along with.
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Bullshit. Fat makes fat. Cutting animal products, and keeping all other fats very low results in sustained healthy weight. Carbohydrates are the fuel we are best suited to survive on.
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@jdaemon33 He calls it "supplemented absolute fasting."
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Cameron, while it's possible that something adverse sprung up in your life at that time, I think both Stefan and Dr. Felitti would encourage you to not over think this, at least not without professional help. Even with professional help, you should be wary. There have been many instances were individuals have fabricated adverse experiences at the nudging of a psychiatrist. So, yes, it could mean something, but don't over think it.
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three, produces a trauma, which when restimulated, say through the separation of a failed romance, can lead to the development of schizophrenia. These separations can be produced quite inadvertantly..through maternal illness, family emergency, or quite commonly through the mother having the typically unnaturally close-spaced further child, and being hospitalized without her older child for several days.
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My response is an answer to DaveDoggOwn's question in case you see it out of context.
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LOL, the religious stuff could be good false self band-aid but hardly long term solution for trauma, as we see in the worldwide violence evidence.
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Fructose can also go to glycogene but you can omit that because it's insignificant (very limited amount) and doesn't happen unless you just worked out very hard. Glucouse you can burn but fructose goes ALWAYS to our reserve - fat. Why fructose is prescribed to diabetics? Because it doesn't rise suagar level in blood - it goes to liver then fat - that's the only way. Lustig (raging liberal...) also Hoebel for reference.
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For centuries, Alchemists have used the metaphore of "turning lead into gold" to talk about a spiritual transformation. Lead is a poisonous base metal and gold is a precious metal. This guy is talking about abusing children as a metaphore of turning gold into lead. In other words, the opposite of alchemy
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