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The World is FLAT, Can the 4 Min Mile be Broken? and Revolutionary Irrigation

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John from http://www.growingyourgreens.com/ responds to some of the comments regarding the Earth Mister Revolutionary Irrigation System that was shown in the last episode. After watching this...

That looks like a good product, thanks for the information!
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john more more on the shoes! this guy just seems to pissed! talk is cheap why NO example again just talk no demo and he still looks pissed. . . web site needs major work just seems like scam. . . go luck with your example bed
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I lived in a condo that had multiple underground water pipe ruptures. They always resulted in sink holes. I realize that those ran 24/7 where this system probably runs for a period of time and then turns off. Give it a whirl, John, and let us know!
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John, this product really excites me. I live in Texas and if this system really saves on water, then many of us here could benefit from it in gardens, yards, and feed lots. I really want to see your tests. I may order to place in my raised beds in time for spring. Thanks, and keep the vids coming!
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Makes a ton more sense to me with the design fully explained. It sounds like it might actually work, only concern I have is him saying it takes 5-10 seconds to cut through paper, if that's so, how can 1 minute of watering twice a day be enough to spread 4 feet in every direction? Good price though!
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$22 a FOOT !!!! heck my 20 foot bed would be $440. You think thats small change? Wish I had your job then .
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@marchetta67 I think at 50psi or higher ( my city water is around 80psi ) you're going to clear the lines pretty easily. Especially when that 50psi is forced through the smaller holes, it will be coming out at a much higher psi.
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what's the name of this product and website?
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@MarcusRiedner I would think there would be little or no risk, as the system depressurizes and empties of water after each cycle, so there would be no pressure against the pvc even if a little water was left and froze.
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Hey John, I had a question regarding the Aqua Jet Irrigation System that you installed in your 15ft x 4ft bed and the inline chlorine filters that you had on one of your episodes. Will the inline chlorine filter work with the Aqua Jet Irrigation System? I was wondering if the inline filter caused any significant loss in water pressure. Your show is great keep up the good work. PS: I have a pair of Vibram Five Fingers also (the Bikila LS’s) and I love them.
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This is true. More Water = Faster Rot. I did ask him about this when I initially saw the product. Basically, you will use a ball valve to only have the system spray as far as you need to close to your raised bed edges, as not to hit them, maybe a few inches shy and water will capilate towards the edges..
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I might look into this. I will have to get a pump for my rain barrels.
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@PJDolan1, obviously drip irrigation is also not natural. So one has to weigh the costs and benefits in terms of money, land use, water consumption and the impact on the soil in either case. If yields increase and less water is used and the stated system is cheaper than drip, then the answer is self-evident. Of course, natural rain would be nice but rain is not on the table in a climate that requires irrigation. An experiment counting earthworm population and soil health is needed.
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@PJDolan1 It seems like an initial disruption of the soil structure (physical and biological) would occur, but I see no reason why the microbial population would not recover (if not flourish due to the additional N2, O2 and H2O).
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What are the risks with this sort of system in colder growing zones? The frost level where I'm at goes down about 4 feet, so something 6-8 inches below surface can run some serious risks with damage to PVC sub-surface systems. How is non-fixed atmospheric nitrogen ( N2 ) going to help plants, which need fixed nitrogen ( NH3 ). Is the nitrogen theory mentioned here based on increased atmospheric nitrogen getting to bacteria?
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i do have a few questions. they are having probs now with pvc and the chems in them. this is something that i am beyond intrested in. when i find there address again, will go there. but how deep do they need to be. also with clay it is gonna leave small holes (needle size i know) i wonder if it will eventyaly go farther if is not re-compressed. also how ofen do you need to water for 1mn x a day and how much h2o is delivered .... thx for this. i was a beliver first vid, thank you for more info
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@growingyourgreens Hi John, good follow up video. Some comments about the watering schedule caught my attention. It sounds like adhering to the recommended watering schedule (1-2 min. each time) might be very important to achieving success with the Earth Mister. Are going to test it during this fall/winter or are you waiting until next sping/summer?
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Another question: how will this product work with root crops such as carrots? Or shallow root crops such as beets, onions, and radish?
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If the water pressure from ones house is not enough how do you add pressure
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If you employ a system like this and it is connected to your domestic potable water supply system, make sure you use a proper back-flow prevention device or anti-siphon protection device.
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I have to admit Robbie does sound more convincing this time around, however personally I think I would still only be convinced when i see the proof. Time will tell when you have installed it and had a season to grow with it to trial it. I do have some concerns, like it means you can only use tap water because of the pressure issue, and I like to avoid using city water and use rain water as much as possible. And the chance is could damage roots due to the pressure it ejects water out.
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sounds and looks good, yet I only have one question. How about the water jets rotting away the wood in a raised bed. Over time (especially with the good loose soil that I have) the jets will easily keep hitting the wood (4 ft garden width) and with time would it cause quicker rot?
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Awesome stuff! I really wish you would list websites and contact information in the video description.
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This is not a closed system. It would not drain and fill with air if it was a closed system. The inlet and outlet points are open to the atmosphere. This is an open system. Also you could utilize a plain pvc pipe with holes drilled along the axis of the pipe. You will need to use multiple inlet points at both ends of the pipe and depending on pipe length at intervals along the pipe. This creates a manifold where volume is constant and pressure is normalized.
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The three minute mile will never be broken, by me, unless I am being chased by something, and I am out of ammo. Every single year I try to build the best garden ever. I have tried all sots of stuff. What ever works better for my soil and my climate is what I am always looking for. All the normal basic old fashoned farming techniques work, the new chemical stuff is poison.
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Yes. This system MUST be glued. Its as easy to glue as standard white PVC pipe, using the same PVC glue. In the video the "demonstration parts" are not glued to show how it goes together, etc.
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well I was first one to leave skeptical comment, and I am now convinced this will work great and some day would like to try it. another great video, thanks Jon!
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Nice job John. I am going to try this out.
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my mistake I thought he said per foot . 15 foot is better I guess if you like what he is selling . For me im sticking with my soaker hoses they work just fine.
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How well does it work in the round Smart Pots?
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@JWxx10xx17xx2010 you were there , too? did you come see us?
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Jon, can you give me an update on this system you installed, good or bad option to buy?
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Now only if they made some that only spray in 1 direction and offer a way to make a circle.
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Just WOW! I hope I meet you some time.. Wish more people was awake o this reality .. I kind of feel I am being manipulated and taking in to commercialize.. But it shall be nice to see if this works, or not! :D I am sure it works, as it is simple logic.. I played with water cutting as a child! .. And this just seems like finding home!
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so wow, he is actually saying it will cut the soil. Looking forward to the tests John.
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This is a scam . I don't believe this . I need to see more proof then this guys word . Show it working . Maybe the cites who use this system got the system for near free. They just beat the other guys bids.
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John, It was the 4-minute-mile that was broken. No human has ever come close to a 3-minute-mile. :)
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This guy is a TRUE SALESMAN. I love that he knows so much about his product.
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Thank you for the follow-up video. The concept is much clearer to me now. I think the biggest problem from the first video was false info (no plant needs gaseous nitrogen in the root zone, though diazotrophs may benefit from the periodic aeration), and the absolutely silly biowave machine at the end of the original video destroying the salesman's credibility. I eagerly await your follow-up after a full season of testing.
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I appreciate how responsive you have been to everyone's comments, and I really enjoyed your Q&A with a very capable salesman.
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lol, not me. it will clog when the dirt packs
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Good update. Only time will tell if it works as planned.
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Good job John. Robbie is sharper than some think he is. Question: He had two pieces that he pulled apart to show the chambers etc. Under pressure those sections would have to be glued together, no? Does it go together just like the white PVC we're used to?
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Here's an idea..... if the sides of your raised bed are rock and it is pelted with high stream water from the EarthMister, you can make your own rock dust and save even more money... ha ha ha
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Worst case scenario, you try it on one bed and it doesn't work. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Look forward to your video of the test bed sir.
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Hey John, I listen attentively about the explanation between you and Robin as I am planning to order, that will be out of USA. To Egypt, I will personally use it in my garden as exactly you did on your first video, promote it among my neighbors interested in gardening for personal use. Thank you.
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Good on you John! I think some people were really rude and really out of line. For $22 what is there to really lose? I mean what is that 5 coffees? 4 hamburgers.. not the end of the earth if it did fail! If it didn't fail, it's a great new way to do things!! If it was available here in Australia, I'd give it a go!
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John, are you worried that the pressure spray will destroy members of the soil food web? The only concern I would have after seeing your video thanks
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John just want to say thanks love your channel and the info you share!!!! Thanks Again John!!!!
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good job john ... keep you mind open :)
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great job on reacting to the negative comments to further our understanding of this technologie. have a great day.
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Great, John, love all your research - you keep us informed - go for it! Waiting for your follow-ups.
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I think i'm sold, I will try it :) sorry for spamming ur vid btw lol
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I hope I am wrong and it does what it says on the tin, so to speak. It would be a great benefit if it all works etc and I would give it a try myself if I could get it shipped to the UK of course. Time will tell, thanks for another interesting video John, and thanks for not shouting! lol. :)
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@drywallit43 Yeah agree, deffinately more on those shoes heh. On the old man, I don't think he's pissed, it's the wrinkles and he's probably tired or something. But on the video, another good quality one John and I agree, it's ALL about trying new things. In the end if noone tries, then nothing happens. It really is as simple as that, isn't it people?
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@growingyourgreens, thanks for showing us this water system. I teach physical chemistry and this system looks to be well engineered to work as advertised. The couplers can maintain pressure for a small series of jets, working like parallel electrical circuits. The pressure with then be evenly applied. Good show. Looking forward to more.
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Hi John I have hard water will it plug this system up. I am always having problems with my drip system because of the water here.
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actually mabe this sounds crazy but moles actually help a garden.they do eragate the soil below and near surface. after they do there thing and leave i plant
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@NEWCLEARDAYS Yeah you could but that would be more complicated, costly and, use more water probably.
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this really sounds frigin cool, ill give it a shot.
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I asked him this question specifically when I "grilled him" before I decided to make the video. Yes, it would, so you would need to regulate (turn down the pressure). On each raised bed I already have installed a ball valve that will turn down the press to where I need it so it wont shoot out.
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This is an old video, buts still very interesting idea. Also, great approach to addressing your viewers concerns. Thanks
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@UmyNEPHEW It uses common readily available materials, means and methods. PVC isn't complicated. I am just pointing out that there are more options. Options are good. Not throwing stones at their design. I haven't tested it. It is clever. Doubtful about being more costly though, if you are using common pvc and fittings. No more complicated. I believe they spent a good bit to get the diameter of those sprays just right. That and time dictact your water usage.
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Since the irrigation system is designed to work at the root level, can you use it when you're starting with seeds which are only an inch, or less, below ground?
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Meh whats all the controversy about I for one am interested in the outcome, Ill be waiting to see the video that shows it in action. I'm just disappointed that you didn't get one of those mystical hippie spin-o-frequency-matic thingy ma bobs as well ... "now that thing was crazy and required a leap o faith" ... Cant wait for the upcoming irrigation video. I want to know if ti works as promised.
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Hey John here's a test. When you install the system in one of your beds, cut a parallel trench a foot of 2 away from the sprayer so that we can see the spray break through the soil as mentioned. I am surprise the company has not done this already.
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This really shouldn't be much of an argument. We're talking about physically observable phenomena, in which experiments can be set up with controls and duplicated. WTH, try it. But if it can't be observed it either doesn't exist or is too small of a difference to be relevant.
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NO ONE AT ANY TIME EVER HAS EVER BROKEN THE 3 MINUTE MILE.
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Sorry but he keeps going on about how it fertilizes the soil by putting Nitrogen into the soil. Most plants are not able to take up Nitrogen directly but need it in nitrate or nitrite form. If that part of his pitch is erroneous how much else that he has told us is faulty too? The website listed on their display isn't active and the one you gave us doesn't list any pricing and is basically for commercial projects only. Where can you order it for small garden applications?
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@NEWCLEARDAYS Your wright, Options are good and PVC isn't complicated. Sure you could make a small system as you described with inlet points at each end. Though the bigger it gets the less practical it will be. Robby mentions there system can extend 700 ft without pressure loss. If you tried that with normal PVC think how many inlets you would need. Sounds complicated and costly to me.
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On their site it says 63$ for a 4'x15' garden not 22.5$
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I'd give it a go in the UK and I would love to sell it here.
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You could easily make one of these using 2 different sized PVC pipes.
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John, all those silly "Spherical Earth" people don't realize that planets are actually based in four-dimensional geometry. I call them the "Pluto-haters" : )
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you are right john coming to rockdust. on a global scale we have depleted the soil by talking away from it through chemicals, products like concrete etc..we know that the earth can use every thing as compost breaking it down.. but because we dont put back the earth is dieing
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Yes, supposidy the pressure will take care of root invasion (I did ask him that). Didnt ask about the mineral buildup, but also shouldnt be a problem due to the pressure. On the version with one direction- YES. I did ask him that question, they DO have it available.
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It depends where you live. If your on a standard residential (city) system they "generally" have more than 50 PSI as they need to pump the water to all the residences/ Points of Use, and they do this by pressure. You can call and ask your water agency, or you can get a pressure tested at a hardware store. If yours is not high enough, will need some kind of booster pump.
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Thanks John! I will be looking forward to seeing your results. Seeing is believing right.
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John, I understand what you are trying to do with videos like this. Keep up the good work. Keep finding that new stuff for us. Your hard work is very appreciated. Thanks for all you do for us.
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Have there been problems with rooting vegetables when using this system?
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Do most people have 50 PSI out of their hose or would they need to boost it up? What are good ways to boost it up on a small system?
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There website is not yet set up for online ordering. They are newly entering the "home gardening" market.. and have been focusing on "big installs" (ie: parks, cities, homes) and not direct to customer sales, so this is something they will be "growing into". I hope they soon have some online ordering and make it easy for people to order from them at at factory-direct prices.
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Have to hand it to you John for taking such a good outlook on so many bad comments and then turning out another vid to help and resolve these concerns. I do not take for granted the information you hand us all the time for free - Thank you
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John, I look forward to your test of this system in your garden. I remain very skeptical about the claims being made. For example, wouldn't a spray that can cut through 3 feet of clay disrupt and damage your plants' roots? Wouldn't such a violent disruption under the soil have a negative impact on the earthworm population as well as on beneficial microbes that are necessary for healthy soil? You frequently advocate looking to nature for solutions. This is a very unnatural solution.
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I am interested in how the system would be winterized in cold weather climates since it is buried only 6". Where I am located (Va) code is 8"- 12".
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A lot of learning to do with this system but it could work well on the minute bursts.
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The manafold on the pipe looks like it works a little like a gas operated rifle...
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Do the holes have to be protected from clogs or does the pressure output clear out any potential clogs?
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Thank you for letting me know you are going organic and natural in your garden. Hopefully I have played a role in that. There can be a "transition" period for the soil to "rebuild" from going "conventional" back to the natural way organic -as all the soil microbes start to muliply and the soil turns "alive". An upcoming episode will share a bit more about this and how this process can be "optimized".
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I had commented in the other video about pumping oxygen into the ground to increase productivity and with this depletes the food source for the microbes and insects. Now the salesmen is saying it also pumps the airs nitrogen to the plants but plants also need microbes that convert the nitrogen into a usable form. So if the healthy balance of the soil is disrupted by the increase of oxygen how are the plants supposed to get the nitrogen converted? Wont it increase demand for added fertilizers?
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i like it ( Jet Irrigation ) my only problem :( i use rain water, no power needed and no water chemicals, i use earthworms and they don't like chemicals .. John do some Brix Test :) The moles don't like the jet water vibrations and there favorite food is earthworms :( Thank you John i think you have a Winner there :)
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Great video John, this answered tons of questions and I want to give this a try as well.
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That's the main point, the new possibilities in life as the world is really getting harder in many things, money, jobs etc. All this idea helps people a lot, those who really want to use there minds and move at least in greens.... planting and gardening. Thanks so much.
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If it's used on a 4' wide raised row, would the pressurized water shoot out the sides of the raised row?
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John Thanks for the update and keep on growing, love your videos.
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@JBSpringer1 I agree. This is the perfect test of the claim that the system cuts through the soil. If John does a live video of this test, and the water breaks through 2 feet of soil (not just soaks through), I'll be convinced this claim is accurate. However, it will reinforce my concern that the system will harm soil life and roots due to the violent disruption of the soil from the high pressure water spray.
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