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### p4a, Space Pasta, and Giant Squids of Anger

by vlogbrothers • 281,727 views

Shirts: http://dftba.com/sale In which John and Hank Green reunite to discuss the 2010 Project for Awesome and then proceed to challenge nerdfighteria to solve a dinnertable dispute in re. the...

Since Nerdfighters calculated the moon pasta/earth beef problem... Did John get "punished"? Hank did they song challenge, but John...?
Well producing beef means cattle, and cattle means methane, and methane is REALLY bad for our atmosphere, so my estimate is that beef is less efficient than space pasta.
Space Pasta is more efficient assuming that no one dies in the trip to space.  Because energy requirements notwithstanding a living being still has to DIE to produce a burger .....now the question of how economically valuable a life is might depend on if you're say a farmer or a cow but I would like to suggest that there is a difference between it's caloric value or the intangible value of valuing life in general......
Several billion dollars for less than 500 pounds of pasta? Beef wins.
I realize that this is a really old video, and that someone has undoubtedly calculated the relative efficiency of Earth beef versus Moon Pasta. But... What is efficiency? OK, so we all know that it's energy or money or something out devided by whatever in. But, let's take the pasta. The input is grain, human time, energu, water, and a bunch of other stuff, and the output is pasta. Of the water going in to grow the grain, wash stuff, and this and that... what happens to it?  Some of the green types calculate it as if the water is destroyed or poured down a black hole or whatever. In reality, almost all of it is recycled.  To learn all about the water cycle, go to this interesting channel called SciShow, or maybe Crash Course. Anyhow, it's obvious that feeding the grain to a cow and harvesting the meat is going to result in a loss of efficiency.  That's true if you base it on calories of food energy, anyhow.  If you factor in the fact that man does not live by bread alone, but also needs protein and essential fatty acids, the dead cow muscle becomes a lot more appealing. Also, maybe we don't need to feed grain to the cows.  Maybe we can find something else to feed them -- something that is largely inedible to humans and isn't used for much else.  Grass, for instance. It turns out that cows, being ruminants, are very good at turning low quality cellulose rich plant matter into high quality protein and fat. So, if you want to be kinder to the Earth, kinder to your body, and still enjoy all of that yummy muscle tissue, eat grass-fed beef.
Nice
them hand gesters though
hooray for watching old videos!
Huzzah!!!
I just watched the out takes. It' structure amazing how well these videos come out considering the everything else that happens.
john is not a mathmatician
What do we owe the living?
Well, I believe that earth beef would be more efficient than moon pasta and here is why: First of all,did you consider that it would take at least five times longer to build a space capsule to fly to the moon to collect the pasta than to raise a cow and make bef out of it? and after you get to the moon, you will need to somehow find all the resources to actually make the pasta, including workers. So then you will have to fly to the moon (three days time), load the miraculously made pasta onto the capsule, and then travel back to earth for another three days. And then there is concern about packaging and shipping the pasta out to different stores to be sold. Also, the prices would be fairly high, considering all ingredients would have to be shipped out of this world! Therefore: earth beef is MUCH more efficient.
Listen to their entire question and it's details.
Okay, so this is weird. I was playing my shiny guitar during the first part of this video, and when I stopped playing, I looked down at it. The video was reflecting off of my guitar, and the resolution was really, REALLY good!
Oh I want a giant squid of anger shirt so bad!!!
Thank you for making a better universe...
Funny
more efficient to grow cows on earth, but using the energy in a space ship to get pasta from the moon can be ish energy ishy effishient. (?) wow. love being a nerd fighter.
sorry,AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
@Smithz0rz Or hold 9 down! >:)
@Smithz0rz Changed part 5: press eight , wait until after 'announcement' and then press nine :D You will get a funny sentence :P
Not to seem pretentious, but isn't moon pasta obviously less energy efficient? Think of all the fuel needed to get to the moon to power the spacecraft, then the energy to develop something that could gather all the pasta from the moon, and then to bring it back and export it around the world? And you would only get enough to fill a space capsule. You can argue that a cow takes time and energy to raise, but what about the time and energy spent researching and developing said spacecraft?
I said that five videos ago.
@nanazinhaamaral you have to replay the vid first
I saw this comment posted a while ago, but it doesn't seem to be featured anymore. 1. Refresh the page 2. Pause the video 3. Press 9 on your keyboard 4. Hit play 5. Press 9 again. And again. And again. (repeat as many times until desired amount of lulz is attained)
Silly John, apathy...not sympathy
I'm pretty sure Earth beef, as inefficient as it is, is more efficient than moon pasta, given that it takes something like \$10,000 worth of fuel to get a pound of material to the ISS (I apologize for any inaccuracy).
Need space pasta.. Now!!!
@Smithz0rz or 3...ohohohohoh
Please bring back the Giant Squid of Anger T-Shirt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you gonna have the regular sized squid of rational debate shirts?
I'm interested to know the answer to this question. I would think the fuel burn alone would put it over the top, but I know it takes a lot of energy to make a cow. Also, it's times like this I wish you guys lived closer together.
I said that ten videos ago.
I said 2 hours ago...
I'm too lazy to finish the math, but they said "Fill the capsule" and the capsule was 210 cuft (Google) which, according to wolfram, is 21.76 GJ of dietary energy
@24nerdfighter Mein Gott, I JUST posted a Hetalia joke without seeing this comment. PASTAAAAAAA!
@24nerdfighter yes absolutely! PAAAAASSSSSTTTTTAAAAAA
ok i guess what i mean to say is: the gov should give every student a pc tablet haha India did it, so why cant we.
-"Why are the shirts on my face?!" -"Because that's where the go!" LOL
god I love these guys!! anyone know the answer to the question? pasta or beef?
@BoxioBrowz Yet another idiot that doesn't understand IRONY.
you guys are brothers!!! why do you get along so well? I feel so much despise for my brother we actually dont even fight we actually avoid each other because were too annoyed of each other too fight with each other... is that weird?
This video was uploaded on my 22nd birthday!!! For my birthday will you both please give up meat for the month of November? ^_^ It would make the cows happy!
The book of awesome. I want it
@Smithz0rz ROFL!
space pasta would be faster than to raise a cow and then make hamburgers
3 PARTS!~!!!!! O_O
It takes more energy to get space pasta, you made me want pasta... It took approximately 45744440000 (rough calculation) Joules just to get Apollo 11 into space. :/
Yes, the DFTBA University shirts are Nevada colored! Go UNR!!!!!!!!
i have those same rocking chairs :D
" This is going to be the biggest its ever been! lol thats what he said ;P
No, 2013P4A is the biggest it's ever been.
The best part of videos with John AND Hank is watching the person's face who isn't speaking. :)
Bring back the Giant Squid of Anger shirts, please? :3 ...Dangit, watching all the videos in order just makes me want all the shirts that seem to no longer exist X3
Yes space pasta is more efficient.... but only very slightly.... God! that took me one hour to do the calculations accurately
I love that they talk about whether space pasta or Earth beef is more energy intensive to make over dinner.
Not an exact answer to your moonpasta question here's a consideration for solving the puzzle: If you account for the embedded energy costs for creating the materials and the services to build the rocket (energy spent to extract steel, refine, shape, etc.), as opposed to those requirements for the energy needed to raise a cow. The cow should win. Now if you're asking about strictly accounting for the transportation energy costs and requirements for pasta vs. cow, it's still a puzzler to me.
@K0S0s dont forget to be awesome
Imagine a car ride with the 8-year-old versions of these two people. I think it is entirely possible that the only reason they did not put each others' eyes out with excited flailing in their youth was their wearing of glasses. This thought exercise also makes me super curious about their parents and how awesome they probably are (I'm guessing super awesome).
Pretty sure beef from earth would be way more efficient than moon pasta. There is a massive (MASSIVE!) amount of energy that goes into getting to the moon and back. I mean, just in terms of manpower, one person can raise a cow, but one person CANNOT get a capsule to the moon and back. Not to mention rocket fuel... Just, yeah. Cows<Moon Pasta.
@iluvjc19 OK what was it then smartass?
@K0S0s DFTBA means don't forget to be awesome
it almost looks like he's saying on the moon, but that wouldn't make sense. I'm partially deaf, put the video on mute, & still couldn't tell :/
I love how awkward they are when they aren't talking
I love it that when one of you is talking, the other just looks incredibly awkward and stares at the camera trying to find a place to but in and speak
I bet it wasn't.
that last one was dum, i mean "formalized public education" paid for by the gov. Obv we all get a free online interactive education already.
Anyone else think the way they say pasta is weird? Maybe its just me...
Hahah I just said this to myself. The question is, will it be the truth!?
This video was poster on my 14th birthday! Huzzah!
moon pies
Any chance of another run of the giant squid of anger t-shirts? I really want one but they ran out before I remembered to get one.
Noooo! not leaving the room!
@LydiaLaughs awww :'(
my life ambition: to have dinner with the Green brothers. not that i would be eating, because i would be laughing to hard at their normal conversation...
@Smithz0rz hahahaha!!!!!
@Smithz0rz OMG Smith, I love you for this! I got it right when John was doing his giant squid impression!!!
how much speed do you uys take befopr this
I'm not sure how much energy earth cow vs space pasta would be, but I can tell you the cost. A cow costs roughly \$1,900 in a year, while the Apollo mission cost \$100 billion today. So, earth cow is much more efficient dollar wise than space pasta.
DFTBA
I was so absorbed in the fact that one of the lenses on Johns' glasses were opaque, which I have never before seen outside of anime, I had to watch this video a second time to realize what they were talking about.
What dose DFTBA mean?
John gestures hilariously - awesome.
NERDFIGHTERIA DEMANDS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was turning 12 when this came out.
About the space pasta vs. earth cow, that is a reason that I am a vegetarian. I think the sentence i just typed was grammatically horrible. DFTBA
DFTBA
am I the only one who replayed 3:27 a million times?
john's giant squid of anger looks like an angrier matt smith's eleven dance....
NERDFIGHTERS UNITE!
Project for awesome birthday? =D (That's an ambiguous description, by the way.)
My birthday is December 17th c:
lol i was jus thinkin y r there no vids of them together nd what do i stumblle upon but this piece of awesome to make my day lol
That was what I was thinking, until I realized that two videos away is a video titled Giant Tortoise Coitus. And lets face it, no one can resist that.
Grr! I do the same thing, Youtube is just so addicting! Wahhhhh!
#719: I love videos where you guys are together! Not sure about the space/pasta/cow... I was never good with math.
I know this is not your fault but WHAT IS UP WITH THESE SCROLLBARS ON THE COMMENTS?!