Ottomans are accused of killing Armenians not Turkey idiot get you facts right. And the population of Armenşans in 1910 is about 600.000 How can ottomans can kill 1500000 people when there aren't many people in the region. Did they clone the armenians and killed them again ??? (I know number is irrevelant but it shows that not everything is said abot the armenian genoide is true)
@TheScienceofnature - So the mass graves in the region of Turks? You probably are a bad student of history if you go into an argument pre judging. Not going to waste my time with you anymore, First you claim the evidence is fabricated then you go on to support the any evidence that supports your view. Good luck to you but as I said early in the argument proof is what is required and that is lacking. Why the courts in the Hague dismissed this case and why this will continue on forever.
@levendful i believe that to this day, given the chance Turkey will commit genocide against Kurds, Armenian, Greeks and occupy Syria and Iraq. but thank god we live in a better world than the one which Turks comes from.
@levendful i have personally bared witness to a sabotage which Turkish lorry driver were attempting in northern Iraq just a couple of years ago. they planted the lave of a specie of ant which in the following year devastated grain farms in Iraqi Kurdistan. i do not understand why Turks are so hostile towards these civilian Kurds, but i do think someone should do something about it. we are always putting the spotlight on Iran when our own allies are committing acts of ethnic cleansing
@levendful i do not believe that Turkey has any good wills in the region. they are still inspired and led by the empire building mindset which they did when they migrated to Anatolia. because of this living with Turks and as neighbour of Turks is always tricky and bloody. Turkey supplied poisonous food to Armenian when they were first independent and they did to the Kurds of northern Iraq when it became an autonomous region. that is another genocide, unprovoked.
@levendful maybe, but as you rightly put it yourself, that never happened. the Turks however did massacre about 1.5 million Christians following the collapse of the Ottoman empire. even today Turks are maintaining their effort in ethnically cleansing the Muslim Kurds in Turkey. its harder today that it was then, but looking at events, Turkey has taken every steps necessary to provoke Kurds into an armed conflict as to legitimise the cleansing of the Kurds in Turkey.
@TheScienceofnature - There was a 2nd attempt to force the ratification of the Kars treaty in 1945, the Russians massed troops on the border. Promises were made by Russia if the Armenians wiped out the muslims in the region and greater Armenia could be formed. This can easily be verified in the US, at the same time a Turkish diplomat died, the US returned the diplomats body to Turkey onboard a destroyer. This was a signal to Russia that the US would get involved, the crisis was then avoided.
@TheScienceofnature - I'm not saying Armenians would have, I'm saying they did. Big difference, the mass graves are there is sufficient proof to put forward this argument. The hidden archives in Armenia may reveal the true extent to how many Turks/Kurds were killed by the Armenian Armies and Militia. The goal by the Russian forces was to enforce the Kars treaty and wipe out any potential resistance. So the Armenians were in charge of wiping out the Muslims in the future Greater Armenia dream.
@levendful the evidence i have comes from the British campaign of middle east during WW1. it is not a written history by a historian or a government official. they are mostly diaries, logs and captured documents from captains and soldiers who were present. the British museum of archives is a heaven for people who wish to study history. however our teachers often encourage us not to trust even those entirely. imagine a history that comes from a corrupt region like Turkey and Armenia.
@levendful i do not know about any Armenian archives and frankly as a history student, i do not trust most middle eastern sources. they are unreliable because they are written by people. the evidence is often fabricated and missing. you have the history of the Turks which contradicts what Kurdish historians have written which in turn contradicts the accounts from the point of view of the Arabs. you are left with confusion rather than clarity. Armenians are also like this is history telling.
Ottomans are accused of killing Armenians not Turkey idiot get you facts right. And the population of Armenşans in 1910 is about 600.000 How can ottomans can kill 1500000 people when there aren't many people in the region. Did they clone the armenians and killed them again ??? (I know number is irrevelant but it shows that not everything is said abot the armenian genoide is true)
MrDenocan 2 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - So the mass graves in the region of Turks? You probably are a bad student of history if you go into an argument pre judging. Not going to waste my time with you anymore, First you claim the evidence is fabricated then you go on to support the any evidence that supports your view. Good luck to you but as I said early in the argument proof is what is required and that is lacking. Why the courts in the Hague dismissed this case and why this will continue on forever.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful i believe that to this day, given the chance Turkey will commit genocide against Kurds, Armenian, Greeks and occupy Syria and Iraq. but thank god we live in a better world than the one which Turks comes from.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful i have personally bared witness to a sabotage which Turkish lorry driver were attempting in northern Iraq just a couple of years ago. they planted the lave of a specie of ant which in the following year devastated grain farms in Iraqi Kurdistan. i do not understand why Turks are so hostile towards these civilian Kurds, but i do think someone should do something about it. we are always putting the spotlight on Iran when our own allies are committing acts of ethnic cleansing
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful i do not believe that Turkey has any good wills in the region. they are still inspired and led by the empire building mindset which they did when they migrated to Anatolia. because of this living with Turks and as neighbour of Turks is always tricky and bloody. Turkey supplied poisonous food to Armenian when they were first independent and they did to the Kurds of northern Iraq when it became an autonomous region. that is another genocide, unprovoked.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful maybe, but as you rightly put it yourself, that never happened. the Turks however did massacre about 1.5 million Christians following the collapse of the Ottoman empire. even today Turks are maintaining their effort in ethnically cleansing the Muslim Kurds in Turkey. its harder today that it was then, but looking at events, Turkey has taken every steps necessary to provoke Kurds into an armed conflict as to legitimise the cleansing of the Kurds in Turkey.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - There was a 2nd attempt to force the ratification of the Kars treaty in 1945, the Russians massed troops on the border. Promises were made by Russia if the Armenians wiped out the muslims in the region and greater Armenia could be formed. This can easily be verified in the US, at the same time a Turkish diplomat died, the US returned the diplomats body to Turkey onboard a destroyer. This was a signal to Russia that the US would get involved, the crisis was then avoided.
levendful 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - I'm not saying Armenians would have, I'm saying they did. Big difference, the mass graves are there is sufficient proof to put forward this argument. The hidden archives in Armenia may reveal the true extent to how many Turks/Kurds were killed by the Armenian Armies and Militia. The goal by the Russian forces was to enforce the Kars treaty and wipe out any potential resistance. So the Armenians were in charge of wiping out the Muslims in the future Greater Armenia dream.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful the evidence i have comes from the British campaign of middle east during WW1. it is not a written history by a historian or a government official. they are mostly diaries, logs and captured documents from captains and soldiers who were present. the British museum of archives is a heaven for people who wish to study history. however our teachers often encourage us not to trust even those entirely. imagine a history that comes from a corrupt region like Turkey and Armenia.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful i do not know about any Armenian archives and frankly as a history student, i do not trust most middle eastern sources. they are unreliable because they are written by people. the evidence is often fabricated and missing. you have the history of the Turks which contradicts what Kurdish historians have written which in turn contradicts the accounts from the point of view of the Arabs. you are left with confusion rather than clarity. Armenians are also like this is history telling.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago