Emergence - Part 1A of ?

I begin an indepth examination of emergence, with an eye to the role it can play in helping us make sense of consciousness.

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• Emergence
• emergent
• property
• consciousness
• mind
• brain

[jgillevet]

This guy has his head up his ass along with Dennett and all the other reductonist.

[SpiritualAtheist]

Is that an argument?

[jgillevet]

Spiritual, you'd do better actually reading about the science of emergent properties and complex systems instead of jumping to conclusions from something you read on wikipedia.

[SpiritualAtheist]

The Wikipedia definition of emergence is entirely consistent with other reputible sources. For example, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

I invite you to keep watching. You might learn something new.

[0ThouArtThat0]

awesome, I wrote a paper a while back with some somewhat similar diagrams. I'm going to post a response.

[SpiritualAtheist]

Thanks! I look forward to your response.

[Lelldoren71]

Interesting stuff. Is this just a symantics argument? No one can deny that experience is subjective but what science endeavors to know is that objective world that makes our subjective reality reliable.  I am not yet convinced that a paradigm shift of the kind you begin to outline is needed. I'll keep watching though. :-)

[NeoPsiTom]

Hi Mike. This is good thought provoking material. I'm subscribing to your channel. Thank you. Tom (45) in Gilroy, CA, USA.

[nickmotzkus]

I agree with what you are saying here up to a point: All experiences are subjective. All subjective experiences lack evidence of objectivity. However, lack of evidence is not proof of non-objectivity. I believe that this places the old physical paradigm in a bad spot though, there is infinitely more evidence for subjective phenomena rather than objective, traditional understood, physical phenomena.

[IqbalHamid]

Nice, interesting idea, but your final conclusion is non-sequitur.

Essentially you are suggesting the old idea that reality is a figment of our imagination (cf: reality is an illusion caused by lack of alcohol) which though is thought provoking is ultimately nonsense.

[petexii]

yep

[veritashero68]

I like the way the viewer gets to see what is behind you as you talk of the concept of the non-existence of a physical world and the primacy of subjective perception.

Great piece by the way. If I remember correctly I think it was Berkeley who proposed ideas very similar to what you propose.

[Censeo]

Not only is consciousness an emergent property but it must be aiding the system of the brain. I'm sure there could exist some kind of brain in a monkey which would have the monkey constantly aware of its breathing. But because awareness of breathing haven't helped spreading the genes this kind of mind and other similar haven't been selected. Since animals happen to be more aware of predators, pray and mates, consciousness evolved cause it has causal implications ultimately good for the genes.

[MenoftheInfinite]

Very interesting presentation. Consciousness as an emergent property of certain physical states is a practical enough paradigm for scientific purposes, but is hardly philosophically satisfactory.

[greycloud24]

yes they are

[jahdallah]

Mind and life are not physical.