The Great AIDS Debate (1994) - Excerpts Part 3

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A little history on AZT and the Concorde study:
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/cfberlin.htm

For more on AZT, with focus on Africa:
http://www.tig.org.za/

Today's drug cocktails are not exactly ok either:
http://videos.nymag.com/video/Another-Kind-of-AIDS-Crisis#c=1CVVZQ0HF7L35TL8&...

Is HIV really the cause of AIDS?
What is "AIDS"? What is "HIV"?

This is a controversial discussion about HIV/AIDS. There are 4 parts, I cut out ca. 30 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=The+Great+AIDS+Debate+Excerpts
The entire debate is on GoogleVideo:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8226667729907633541

More videos can be found here:
http://www.immunity.org.uk/

Donations to IRF are welcome.

Participants are:

Joan Shenton
Peter Duesberg
Richard Horton
Mark Kaplan
Frederick Siegal
Steven Jonas
Robert Garry
James Scutero

and Dara Welles

It is important to note that this debate has been completely ignored back then. Of course some things have changed but the most important questions are still not resolved and nowadays it isn't even being debated. For more information please visit: http://www.RethinkingAIDS.com

UPDATE: Please visit http://www.theperthgroup.com/ instead. Because: http://www.tig.org.za/TIG_Position_Statement_on_%27HIV%27.htm

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  • Most T cells are not in the blood and can't be measured because they are doing their job in the tissues.

    THe moderator of this discussion is awful! SHe interrupts more than anyone

  • I think she's alright, she's just trying to stick to the program and keep it under control. We need more people like her actually. She was the only person who dared to do what she did anyway. She might not be perfect but she was the best the world had to offer at the time. And there haven't been any offers like her since then, as far as I'm aware of...

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  • The British (?) doctor defending the HIV=AIDS theory used the word "believe" at least twice...it's not a religious question!

  • Doctors today are simply whores of the drug industry.

  • Is James T Scuttero in the movie Bigger Stronger Faster?

  • Quote is by.....Robert De Prato, MD, US Dept. of Defense. Hiv testing specialist Portland, Oregon

    He's also in MULLIS in my favorites and in....Druga Strana 5/9

    In the 2nd video he states what papers ar required re: proof of Gallo's virus

  • @wowsdrawkcab “I don't recommend people ever getting tested. The reason is I don’t know what the tests mean, and I think no one else knows what the tests mean. I’ve never seen any evidence that what these tests purport to show they’re actually showing -- namely, the presence of a virus, the presence of an exogenous virus. I really would like to see the electron microscopic data of this, and apparently there is none. There is none where you’ve done a rigorous isolation protocol.”

  • @wowsdrawkcab Lmao...honey....YOU have the burden o proof. Nobody has proven the dissidents wrong. You can't even comeup with the PRIMARY scientific reference.

    You have NO idea how Gallo came up with those proteins.

  • @mykoolaidtastesfunny

    I agree with your first statement but if the people you disagree with prove you wrong time and time again, it might be time to look in the mirror.

    You latch on to a non issue and act as if it were the end all of the argument.

  • @mykoolaidtastesfunny

    Well sorry to ruin your day but even home testing approved by the FDA is over 99% accurate and that even accounts for the window where no antibodies are found.

  • @wowsdrawkcab Ad populum isn't evidence. I don't care if the whole worldbelieves in a flying teapot. Why should I with no evidence for it?

    YOU aren't my go to guy for scientific questions. I go to EXPERTS with identities and credentials I can easily verify.

  • @mykoolaidtastesfunny

    You must look far and wide to find people that actually believe what you do.

    Get over your gold standard argument. It is a stupid argument for the reasons above.

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