Tarot History - Part 1

The true origins and early development of Tarot cards by Tarot expert Paul E. Gipp, author of The Tarot for Common Folk.

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[hellodiane]

you guys are idiots. the TAROT DID originate in ancient egypt from the temple of osiris

[paulegipp]

@hellodiane Okay, so once more, people from the world of historical academia, with hard evidence in the form of actual cards, and historical documents are idiots, and people who don't know the difference between a belief, an opinion, a theory, and a FACT are the ones who've got it together. I will accept the Tarot originated in Egypt, all you have to do is cite hard evidence that has not been disproved.

[paulegipp]

@1010 Bree..Indeed there were no pips or face cards (minors as it were) with the Mantegna, just 2 different series of trumps, as per those illustrated here. I think I mentioned the "art of memory", a Greek concept concerning illustration. Still, all of my research has shown no hard evidence of "Tarot" collections prior to 15th century Italy. There is a "document" that indicates a Visconti commission that includes Greek gods and 4 pip suits of differing birds (late 1300s), but no deck found yet.

[Afroxec]

rofl yeah "the art of memory" survived from greece when so little else did? nonsense

[paulegipp]

@Afroxec: Much from ancient greece survived and the R.C. Church took much of it into possession outside of burning the Alexandrian Libraries. Historical records back me, what backs you beyond wishful thinking?

[Afroxec]

@paulegipp rofl ur historical records were burnt up u have no proof!  and i doubt u can read iltalian, latin, greek or even coptic. gtfo

[paulegipp]

@Afroxec: I always let all comments stand, even the ones that don't agree with me, in order to show the academic world how so many people need education. To respond any further to anyone using rofl, gtfo or "ur" in place of "your" is beneath me, especially when it comes to understanding and use of any language. It's your right to believe as you will. Whatever gets you through the day. Peace Profound!

[ANIideas]

I should point out that The Female Pope would certainly NOT have been considered heretical. This was an established figure in Christian art at the time - and continued to be through to the 19th century - being used to represent a number of things such as the New Coventant and the Virtue of Faith.

[1010bree]

I think there is an early hermetic greek version of the cards which shows the arts, muses, virtues and planets as major arcana, originally there were no minor arcana 13-1400's Tarocchi of Mantegna



[Afroxec]

@paulegipp ur angry, y?

[paulegipp]

@Afroxec Site your sources for FACTS showing playing cards as Egyptian in origin! According to all sources, including secular gaming card historians, Arabs learned the art of paper-making from the Chinese. North african Moors would be familiar with them in the 13th century before Europeans, but the cards are NOT Egyptian. Documented records and ancient gaming card remnants are the hard evidence backing me. Where is your evidence beyond disproved propositions of the 18th century?