You people realize that a 'complete open borders policy' + 'getting of all welfare' = 'lowering the average US living conditions to something close to what you have in Africa/South-America'. And it will take quite a while before the economy starts taking advantage of the new freedom, and that's assuming everything goes according to plan.
It -might- be good for the world, but it would be devastating for the US on the short/medium run
Are you actually prepared to make your family go through that ?
We should get rid of free trade until we can afford it. Really we can't afford anything, if you argue we can, look at the fact that most of our budget is tied to entitlements and military operation. So left overs need to be distrubted carefully and we need to borrown money and such. I think that if we actually took care of our budget, insured that our budget was stable, we could then freely trade with countries because when you trade with other nations who are poorer than us, we have more 2 lose
Yeah, open border immigration with a welfare state is a bad idea. The value of all those immigrants labor would not in general come close to our minimum wage, which would force them under the welfare or other government "entitlement" programs. Milton Friedman's approach would be much more efficient and the only case in which we could justify complete open borders for law abiding immigrants.
@thecountmontecristo I dont have to time to go in to more detail at this minute, doing butt loads of paperwork, will get back to you as soon as I can with more. Thanks for responding by the way and being civil, I enjoy hearing others ideas and beliefs.
@thecountmontecristo I didnt say that some illegals dont pay taxes, I said look to the stuards of Mexican Government (Illegal Immagrants) to see their understanding of freedom and liberty, of standing against tyranical, corrupt government. The record there is not so good, if you argue with that clear and simple fact then I have no more time to honestly openly converse/debate with you. It is time to act like American's here in America, regardles of skin color or language.
@bigcrabrob You're right about the burden of the ultimate transitional gains trap: social security. But illegal immigrants are NOT a burden to the "system". They are net taxpayers. That means illegal immigrants are the best deal for Uncle Sam when it comes to helping pay of the nation's debt! And contrary to some believes, they can't collect welfare: they're illegal! So remind me again, how does someone who risks his/her life for the chance to be a net taxpayer not understand freedom?
well lou i have to disagree with you, you are the idiot
nbonasoro 2 weeks ago
Unlimited immigration? No thanks; I don't want to live in Brazil.
scottvska 4 months ago
You people realize that a 'complete open borders policy' + 'getting of all welfare' = 'lowering the average US living conditions to something close to what you have in Africa/South-America'. And it will take quite a while before the economy starts taking advantage of the new freedom, and that's assuming everything goes according to plan.
It -might- be good for the world, but it would be devastating for the US on the short/medium run
Are you actually prepared to make your family go through that ?
seppsters 7 months ago
We should get rid of free trade until we can afford it. Really we can't afford anything, if you argue we can, look at the fact that most of our budget is tied to entitlements and military operation. So left overs need to be distrubted carefully and we need to borrown money and such. I think that if we actually took care of our budget, insured that our budget was stable, we could then freely trade with countries because when you trade with other nations who are poorer than us, we have more 2 lose
weedisoxygen 8 months ago
Yeah, open border immigration with a welfare state is a bad idea. The value of all those immigrants labor would not in general come close to our minimum wage, which would force them under the welfare or other government "entitlement" programs. Milton Friedman's approach would be much more efficient and the only case in which we could justify complete open borders for law abiding immigrants.
groam6666 10 months ago
oh yeah! also have a coke and smile :)
bige1481 10 months ago
quit crying you bunch of girls! just take your ass fucking like a man!
bige1481 10 months ago
@thecountmontecristo I dont have to time to go in to more detail at this minute, doing butt loads of paperwork, will get back to you as soon as I can with more. Thanks for responding by the way and being civil, I enjoy hearing others ideas and beliefs.
bigcrabrob 10 months ago
@thecountmontecristo I didnt say that some illegals dont pay taxes, I said look to the stuards of Mexican Government (Illegal Immagrants) to see their understanding of freedom and liberty, of standing against tyranical, corrupt government. The record there is not so good, if you argue with that clear and simple fact then I have no more time to honestly openly converse/debate with you. It is time to act like American's here in America, regardles of skin color or language.
bigcrabrob 10 months ago
@bigcrabrob You're right about the burden of the ultimate transitional gains trap: social security. But illegal immigrants are NOT a burden to the "system". They are net taxpayers. That means illegal immigrants are the best deal for Uncle Sam when it comes to helping pay of the nation's debt! And contrary to some believes, they can't collect welfare: they're illegal! So remind me again, how does someone who risks his/her life for the chance to be a net taxpayer not understand freedom?
thecountmontecristo 10 months ago