Denominational Logic

The discussion surrounding the video clip "An Honest Baptist" has gone a long way in exposing the illogical and irrational denominational mindset. The church of Christ is the New Testament church because it obeys New Testament doctrine. However, denominational doctrines will cause one to argue against the word of God.

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[PreacherNorm]

I've been reading over the discussion between ricaleigh007 and jrutled3. I'm going to do a video covering your discussion so you can be looking for that very soon. I would just point out here that we cannot turn to a man-made dictionary to define God's word for us. Look up the word baptism, for example. The dictionary just gives the current common usage of a word.

[PreacherNorm]

Even with the dictionary definition, the true church of Christ doesn't fit the definition. "Church of Christ" is one among many scriptural designations and has become the more commonly used out of necessity for the sake of identifying local New Testament congregations in various geographical areas. If things were as they were in the first century we could use any of the designations and that would be sufficient to identify it from other world religions.

[NoLongerSilenced]

PreacherNorm do you believe everyone in all denominations are going to hell? Not all Baptists believe in OSAS.

[PreacherNorm]

It is not possible to be a saved person in a man-made church (Acts 2:47).

[ricaleigh007]

"Therefore, he stepped in to control the matter (16-17), reproving them at every angle. "

And which side of that battle are you on? Who won that battle, and why are you not insisting that women act accordinglly? You are making my point for me btw.

[jrutled3]

Are you kidding me? It would seem that it wasn't merely a cultural issue. The women, and some of the men as well, were acting out of order. And Paul makes his main point by looking not to the culture of the times, but to creation itself (8-9). His point was not that culture has precedence over the worship of the church. It was that women and men were being contentious and causing disturbances in the church. Therefore, he stepped in to control the matter (16-17), reproving them at every angle.

[ricaleigh007]

The bottom line is, culture won that battle, and the fact that cofC denies all cultural validity is a glaring hypocrisy. One of many actually.

[jrutled3]

If you would remember correctly what I said you would quit lying about what I have said. The kingdom of God does not have a formal name. It was the church - the one lead by the apostles and which continued steadfastly in the apostle's doctrine - that belonged to God and Christ. Nothing more, nothing less. To add a name devised of men is to corrupt and adulterate the church. The church belongs to Christ. It is His bride. If Christ did not denominate the church, where did man get the audacity?

[jrutled3]

You are unbelievable, belligerently pulling my comments out of context and adding to them. Show me where I said that we needed to meet in homes and sell all our belongings. I'll give you hint where to start: I never did.

I said that NT worship is irrespective of place because, for one, that's what Jesus said. Secondly, that was the practice of the NT church. Regardless of wherever we meet - in homes, buildings, or under a tree - we are commanded to gather and worship God in spirit and truth.

[ricaleigh007]

You still missed my point: even if Paul was solemn when he preached the word once, doesn't mean you make that a law of worship. Stop with the Pharisee view of worship. We are under grace and liberty, not another set of laws. CofC is not teaching grace properly. Perfect love casteth out fear.

[ricaleigh007]

"NT worship is irrespective of place. "'

Says you. This is also just another example of a cofC'er picking and choosing which scripture they will bind on others and which they explain away. You can't have it both ways; if you want to say we have to all have the same name as the early NT church, then you have to also say that we need to meet in homes and sell all our belongings and give the proceeds to the poor.