Opening statement in debate with Shwanerd part 4

my opening statement

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Education

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• believe

[urbster1]

Frank Jackson who designed the Mary color thought experiment states that Mary acquires "all physical information there is to obtain" about what happens in the process of vision, without ever actually SEEING color. However, were someone to place a blue banana on the table, and tell her that it is yellow, she would be able to correct them, because she has ALL PHYSICAL INFORMATION already. That presupposes that she has obtained whatever future knowledge scientists would uncover about it!!

[migkillertwo]

the mary thought experiment is the fact that mary doesn't have knowledge of the experience of seeing.

[Knowntje]

wow this argument of the mind is pretty difficult to understand to be honest

[migkillertwo]

yeah, had to read through moreland's discussion on it a few times through. but here's the argument in a nutshell: being cannot come from nonbeing. since humans have minds besides their brain, it must have come from something non-physical.

the best explanation is a greater mind.

[hilbert54]

I think we agree that we evolved from non-mind life forms.

You are saying that our minds are designed by god.

Where in the evolutionary process did god design our minds?

I figure you have a view.

[urbster1]

Ok, obviously I just explained it to you but you still didn't get it. I'll message you with a great paper by Dan Dennett where he explains this all in detail! Hope you enjoy it!

[urbster1]

what do you mean, what is the probability of minds being able to comprehend abstract entities if physicalism is true? obviously, these things can often be classified as patterns, and being able to find and recognize patterns poses a valuable tool for survival because it often entails being able to predict what happens next. Furthermore, you did not set up the thought experiment correctly. It's analogous to the Mary-the-color-scientist example but you explained it wrongly in this video.

[VonSchnutze]

How thoughtful of you.

[Kimbert91]

pain is simply the brain interpreting data sent by the nerves to tell it it's hurt. You take away those nerves, you won't feel pain. Or disturb their functionality or connection. This is why people use aenesthetics. And as described by ubster, not something that you can't replicate. For all practical purposes, the robot would be feeling pain.

[Kimbert91]

"since humans have minds besides their brain"

i dun get it...

If you mean that your mind is something non-physical, then i'd ask you to prove it.

[bamboo4tameshigiri]

You know, mig, if you applied yourself to something useful like medicine or law you would go a long way. You will never get there if you mire yourself in philosophy and religion.

[bamboo4tameshigiri]

Mig, if pain is as you seem to think it is and exist on the the physical world of a living being, explain to me the pain of a phantom limb. How can something that does not exist feel excruciating pain?