@deviljinonline thats why i said join facebook u will find lots and lots of us and difference in each persons beliefs and only commonality following quran u present quran they will accept it other than that is not easy to convince them u can join the groups and discuss i will be waiting just add me to facebook friend and i will add u to all ur groups my facebook name is Sohil Anwarbhai Momin
@drsamonline just like I said, I don't agree with my Hanafi forfathers as I belive Iman Abu Hanfia did his best but he was born in a crucial geographical location at a crucial point in time where it was not possible to get all the information.
Javed Ghamidi is my mother's uncle and he is the only main stream Quranist in Pakistan (as I know), but now in Malaysia as threatened for death in Pakistan. I am open to haring you guys, but interactive media don't really work in such matters.
@deviljinonline i was sunni hanafi mashaykhi when i was born i was tabligi for 16 yrs and 2 yrs ahle hadith and 6 months shia i tried it all and all are lies than i started reading quran and the truth was there all answers i needed were there i thank allah for giuding me at this age i started reading quran 2 yrs ago and it is the book complete brother allah has no equal and quran challenges if u can create anything like it .
@deviljinonline if u want to discuss please join facebook and join group icrqs or quranist network where u can discuss with anyone as meeting and talking may not be possible as i live in india gujarat and i dont believe in sect no and i dont about javed ghamidi but i know abou dr shabbir ahmed and quran clearly sasy when we tell them to follow quran they say we see our forefathers doing this and we will do that . so and allah also tells dont follow majority
I don't know much about your sect, all I know is that Javed Ghamidi was born in our family but then turned out to be a Farahi and now don't believe in what our for fathers were believing from centuries. He is not the only one, even I am not a Hanafi any more as I discovered a lot of issues in us. So, why not you and sit down and discuss and may Allah guide us his righteous path.
@deviljinonline bro i am talking about all hadiths not only bukhari there are 134 hadith books of sunnis authorised by scholars and there are books of shias other than this so u want to say that allah sends a easy clear complete selfexplanatory massage which is so difficult to understand that i need to learn all these hadiths and than only i can understand quran so please give me a scholar who has learned all the hadith books and than understood quran .... the life will not enoug
@drsamonline did we ever claimed that sahih bukhari and sahih muslims contain all the hadiths? Imam Bukari him self collected over 300,000 hadiths and only added 7500 in his books of which he was absolute sure and had multiple dozen of references and those that were present all over the world. So 7500/300,000 is not even 10% : )
don't you know that we believe that this prayer was first reveled on jews? as told bu Moses to our Prophet on meraj.
will confirm the verses and get back to you soon ...
@deviljinonline there is one path that is quran and prophet didnt give us anything else and the ahadiths today we have in all sahih books gives tafseer for only 10% of quran rest of the tafseer is either reference to bible or the scholars own thoughts and u can ask any shcolar to provide u only hadith based tafseer it is not possible and i would post some salat verses for u not all
@drsamonline I agree that its one in a same thing to follow Allah and his apostle (saw). That is not what the debate is, we believe that Quran is the book of Allah and ahadith of our Prophet (saw) is the guide to that book. To read and understand that book, you need to learn the hadiths.
just mention the verses of Quran where it tell us there complete way of Namaz. I think you may also have to tell me the publisher of that Quran, because I don't have it in the one in have. w8ing : )
@deviljinonline thats why i said join facebook u will find lots and lots of us and difference in each persons beliefs and only commonality following quran u present quran they will accept it other than that is not easy to convince them u can join the groups and discuss i will be waiting just add me to facebook friend and i will add u to all ur groups my facebook name is Sohil Anwarbhai Momin
drsamonline 1 month ago
@drsamonline just like I said, I don't agree with my Hanafi forfathers as I belive Iman Abu Hanfia did his best but he was born in a crucial geographical location at a crucial point in time where it was not possible to get all the information.
Javed Ghamidi is my mother's uncle and he is the only main stream Quranist in Pakistan (as I know), but now in Malaysia as threatened for death in Pakistan. I am open to haring you guys, but interactive media don't really work in such matters.
deviljinonline 1 month ago
@deviljinonline i was sunni hanafi mashaykhi when i was born i was tabligi for 16 yrs and 2 yrs ahle hadith and 6 months shia i tried it all and all are lies than i started reading quran and the truth was there all answers i needed were there i thank allah for giuding me at this age i started reading quran 2 yrs ago and it is the book complete brother allah has no equal and quran challenges if u can create anything like it .
drsamonline 1 month ago
@deviljinonline if u want to discuss please join facebook and join group icrqs or quranist network where u can discuss with anyone as meeting and talking may not be possible as i live in india gujarat and i dont believe in sect no and i dont about javed ghamidi but i know abou dr shabbir ahmed and quran clearly sasy when we tell them to follow quran they say we see our forefathers doing this and we will do that . so and allah also tells dont follow majority
drsamonline 1 month ago
@drsamonline where are you from?
> why not you and I sit together and talk on it?
I don't know much about your sect, all I know is that Javed Ghamidi was born in our family but then turned out to be a Farahi and now don't believe in what our for fathers were believing from centuries. He is not the only one, even I am not a Hanafi any more as I discovered a lot of issues in us. So, why not you and sit down and discuss and may Allah guide us his righteous path.
what you say?
deviljinonline 1 month ago
@deviljinonline bro i am talking about all hadiths not only bukhari there are 134 hadith books of sunnis authorised by scholars and there are books of shias other than this so u want to say that allah sends a easy clear complete selfexplanatory massage which is so difficult to understand that i need to learn all these hadiths and than only i can understand quran so please give me a scholar who has learned all the hadith books and than understood quran .... the life will not enoug
drsamonline 1 month ago
@drsamonline did we ever claimed that sahih bukhari and sahih muslims contain all the hadiths? Imam Bukari him self collected over 300,000 hadiths and only added 7500 in his books of which he was absolute sure and had multiple dozen of references and those that were present all over the world. So 7500/300,000 is not even 10% : )
don't you know that we believe that this prayer was first reveled on jews? as told bu Moses to our Prophet on meraj.
will confirm the verses and get back to you soon ...
deviljinonline 1 month ago
watch?v=cuN4ZOgBDWQ add this at the end of youtube com/ and watch the video plus the ayat references given in description
drsamonline 1 month ago
@deviljinonline there is one path that is quran and prophet didnt give us anything else and the ahadiths today we have in all sahih books gives tafseer for only 10% of quran rest of the tafseer is either reference to bible or the scholars own thoughts and u can ask any shcolar to provide u only hadith based tafseer it is not possible and i would post some salat verses for u not all
drsamonline 1 month ago
@drsamonline I agree that its one in a same thing to follow Allah and his apostle (saw). That is not what the debate is, we believe that Quran is the book of Allah and ahadith of our Prophet (saw) is the guide to that book. To read and understand that book, you need to learn the hadiths.
just mention the verses of Quran where it tell us there complete way of Namaz. I think you may also have to tell me the publisher of that Quran, because I don't have it in the one in have. w8ing : )
deviljinonline 1 month ago