Roads in a Stateless Society

Roads in a Stateless Society

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[rainskullvids]

Well, you either pay for it in tolls or in taxes. "There is no free lunch." Your pick.

[MotionFur]

It's in quotes because you didn't define what "poor" means. No money? Low Income? I make only slightly over 11.4k annual income [poverty line in the US,] am I "poor?"

Or do I need to make less than 11.4k? I can tell you that if toll roads would be like anything they are now, I would have no problem paying for them. Keep in mind, the money that I'm currently paying for roads [taxes] I get to shift over to private roads.

[rebelq1]

Quit sniffling your nose or talking like you have something in your mouth when making videos!

Seriously! It's annoying!

[kirby4d]

@meadowsirl Im switching over to PMs because of this absurd character limit.

[meadowsirl]

@kirby4d Open source is far more appealing to me, it works for software projects, why not for everything? The problem with the free market is the only thing free about it is the market, everybody else is a slave to it. Its anti human, its designed only with profit in mind and forgets about people. Over and over, i ask the question, what about the poor, the vulnerable, the needy, the have-nots, the exploitable? The only answer i get is fuck them, thats capitalism baby.

[meadowsirl]

@kirby4d who doesn't use roads? so we are creating a system with nomads in mind?

[meadowsirl]

@kirby4d in relation to your computer metaphor, if its a business asset then YES it does have to make me money and private roads are indeed a business asset, so they will be obligated to earn a profit. It is not certain AT ALL that roads will be owned by locals, perhaps initially but later will be traded to Tyrannical LTD. Local residents will indeed pay whatever the rate is, as Tyrannical LTD owns enough roads to set the rates, No escape. Why create an environment where protesting is necessary?

[kirby4d]

@meadowsirl The Venus project is just a nutty fantasy that will never happen. The free market can happen right now, person by person. You just withdraw from the main economy and enter the countereconomy. Visit agorism.info.

[kirby4d]

@meadowsirl Tolls or an EZPass type of thing will exist on arterial roads because that is the only practical way to do it. Or again, it is plausible that local collectives will pay for them on behalf of themselves and visitors. Highways will probably not exist to the extent they exist today because railroads are much more cost efficient.

The point is that this is a free and voluntary way of running things. No one is FORCED to pay for something they dont wish to use.

[kirby4d]

@meadowsirl Private property need not always be making money. Does your computer need to make you money? No.

It is virtually certain that all local roads will be owned by the local residents and businesses. They will pay an annual fee for maintenance to some company. Alternatively, a company may own the road and charge an annual fee for upkeep. They cant charge too high because no one will pay it. You think the residents are a captive audience? The company is just as captive to them.

[meadowsirl]

@kirby4d "probably" isnt good enough, given that private property must always be making money, aka toll. The truth is most will be owned (or eventually owned) by Tyrannical LTD (a monopoly or cartel) and massive restriction will occur. You have just traded a mandatory tax with a mandatory annual fee but now there are tolls on other roads, you have just made things worse. Thats the thing about libertarianism, all you are doing is trading one set of problems for another. Venus Project much better.

[kirby4d]

@meadowsirl If they price it too high, they wont get customers. They do care about profit margin. Thats why they cant price the use fee too high.

The road outside your house will probably be paid for by your neighborhood as a collective and maintained by fees assessed to each house. Alternatively, each house can be allotted a piece of road they are responsible for paying the maintenance to. Private roads doesnt mean a toll. Local roads will almost certainly involve an annual maintenance fee.