Re: Jeff Foster - Life Without A Centre Part 1

http://www.youarethepath.com I made this response because of something that was said in the interview with Jeff Foster. I appreciate just sitting and experiencing just being. I work to transcend my ego and to evolve to the point where I can awaken Christ consciousness. I believe that we are co-creators.

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[ronnieGilli]

its a pointer, not a belief

saying there is no freewill is a pointer..to expierience beyond

concepts.beyond duality ..the most you could say ..is theres no way of knowing who you are.......as long as you think you have freewill you are identifying with only being the body

[80mthomas]

@ronnieGilli I like having freewill, even if I'm out of my body having an 'out of body experience' I have the freewill to choose to either walk through walls or fly through the ceiling.

[80mthomas]

Wow this video has created quite a stir hahaha... my point is eastern teaching and Buddhism, aren't beyond criticism. I've done the whole being trip, and I eventually got bored.. we are co-creators and we have been born for a purpose, I say that purpose is to make known the unknown...hahaha I know what your going to say, "but Mike there is no body there to make known the unknown, and if your getting bored that's just your mind," well actually it's my soul telling me to create something!

[Taaplari]

I'm assuming here. There may be strong sense of free will in the level it happens, but looking from center (if possible) this may be seen as an illusion, part of inevitable holomovement. We don't see all the variables in this formula of motives. Maybe that's why free will is felt. Anyhow, what we currently experience is real ENOUGH, so we should of course use free will when it's felt as a real thing.

Sorry my bad English.

[80mthomas]

@Taaplari yeah it's an interesting topic.. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that 'free will' is what makes this whole spiritual journey juicy and exciting...because with free will, success or failure are both possibilities. Failure is just a judgement of course, but I can either chose to evolve or I can chose to stay asleep.

[Forkfoot]

What you're talking about here really doesn't have anything to do with what Foster's pointing to, at all. This talk about free will, manifestation, awakening, there being "something beyond ourselves", really doesn't make sense once what Jeff's pointing to has been seen.

[80mthomas]

@Forkfoot He said that, "freewill is an illusion" this sounds like 'determinism'!?... am I taking his words out of context?

[Jardarny]

It's an interesting topic. Philosophically I find the concept of free will very problematic. But, as you mention, perhaps there's a way there could be free will, and that it could be understood through quantum physics. I don't understand anything about quantum physics though.

For Jeff , i think free will is an illusion because it is a concept. Determinism would thus also be an illusion.

[ronnieGilli]

@80mthomas , you can never understand what i'm talking about and there is not anything to understand .Jeff is not pointing to the observer or the personality thats just another concept.in fact anything I could say is a concept.( ). and no thats not an empty space,which would just be another concept.I know it seems vague and elusive till it clicks . if you think you understood what i meant in this message delete it.-pointer, have fun flying through walls.

[TheSpiritualhealing]

@80mthomas you have a verry interesting way of expression man! i like you.

youve got a brilliant mind!

[Forkfoot]

@litttlebittt You do not know Foster's state any more than you know Jourdain's.

[Forkfoot]

@litttlebittt Two things: (1) Chill out. (2) Get back to me when you've seen what I'm talking about and feel like having a real conversation.

[Forkfoot]

@litttlebittt Again: you're Bible-thumping. Gurus don't speak truth, they POINT at what is true. If you read what they're saying and what's being pointed to is seen, then you can point to it yourself without copying the words of another. If what they're pointing to is not seen, that's fine, but don't pretend you know something you don't and parrot their words as though you're saying something true.

[Forkfoot]

@litttlebittt Now you're just Bible-thumping. Don't regurgitate scriptures and quotes from gurus at me if you want a real conversation; speak from what's presently seen here and now. Don't believe me, and don't believe them either. I certainly won't be swallowing any dogma or doctrine you try to sell me.