Shi Yan Li shanzi

Enchainement à l'éventail du moine Shi Yan Li au temple bouddhiste Yuanjin du Zhujiajiao (Shanghai)

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[anthony1832]

is this the current abbot of the shaolin temple?

[yuanqu700]

No he is not the current abbot of the shaolin temple, just a simple monk

[weshookhands]

a good kung fu fan form at last :)

[HaoRhe]

cool technique. it looks like they could really be applied.

[Shantou1]

@kidzed84 not Taijiquan and Baguazhang I am familiar with. Those are martial arts, not watered down dancing sets for wushu. Strange thing is none of my teachers nor any of their fore-masters going up to Yang Lu Chan practiced or recognized fan as apart of the martial curriculum. As a history major, fictional characters relevance has to go a hell of a lot further than what you have described to be deemed credible.

[kidzed84]

@Shantou1

tai chi DOES have a fan form, lol. as does bagua.

you seem to think a fictional charactery has no relevance to the context of cultural practice. it's called "allegory" - google it.

[Shantou1]

@kidzed84 nobodies trying to "posit" you as anything. Your background is to be commended. keep up the martial arts. Perhaps coming from a non-traditional lineage though has blurred your view?You have not functionally refuted anything. I've read & spoken to genuine masters who actually use martial arts in the way they were meant to be. Most masters on the subject of fan either refuse to teach or just laugh at it. I know in the western world which includes former colonies it is popular however.

[Shantou1]

@kidzed84 Tradtional tai chi does not teach any fan form neither does baguazhang. Non traditional additions. None of the greats were famous for their fan forms and it onyl became popularized due to inclusion in sport wushu. Iron fan princess also fictional

[kidzed84]

@Shantou1

Fictional Works contain myth and allegory, but they are also based on contemporary thoughts regarding life and it's facets. Iron Fan Princess? Doubt you've ever heard of her.

Shaolin fan form has existed for 200 years. Muslim Flower Fist has a fan style. so does bagua AND tai chi. You may not practice, but the fact is THEY exist. your argument is untenable and dismissive.

[kidzed84]

@Shantou1

nice try to posit me as some orientalist white person who knows nothing,

i am singaporean eurasian and speak mandarin and have practiced wushu for 16 years and baguazhang and tai chi for 5 years.

you can cite fictional people, but until you cite a source that definitvely proves your thinking- it is anti intellectual to assert something i can factually refute. You need to read something about chinese fan dances and their origin. Oh my undergrad was in east asian studies;)

[Shantou1]

@kidzed84 They also reference many other fantastic feats, creatures, fictional martial arts and myths. Martial use of the fan is just another one of these.

Call em anti-intellectual, but my view is shared by many if no the majority of traditional marital artists within China. However I can appreciate in the west it is seen as being exotic and beautiful and so diapered with mystique.

[kidzed84]

@Shantou1

Romance and Xiyouji are fictional, but the fact both of them prominently reference martial forms using fan (as does Shuihu) demonstrates that martial use of the fan was in fact demonstrable in popular culture.

While you may not understand the use of the fan, your view is not universal. In fact, woman's fan dances were developed AFTER martial fan forms.

I just think you are being anti-intellectual and overly reductionist, and dismissing something you don't understand.

[Shantou1]

@kidzed84 Romance of the three kingdoms is largely fiction and cannot be seen as a reliable source of historic information. One it was written 1000s of years after the events and containing 100s of fictitious stories. To this day in CMA, the fan is not seen as a proper weapon and serious martial artists will mock its usage and most will refuse to practice it. Its seen as a womans toy for show, much as a nunchuk is seen as a boys toy with little historic or practical use as a weapon.

[kidzed84]

@Shantou1

I am not sure what references you are citing, but Romance of the Three Kingdoms describes use of a war fan in battle. As well, Korean and Japanese martial arts have a documented and long history of using iron and bamboo fans in traditional forms dating back to Joseon and Muromachi.

Weapons in Chinese Opera are derived from weapons used in the contemporary time. Shaolin fan form dates back to the 1700s.

I can cite sources, can you?